Ep 278 | The Next Adele, Ella Fitzgerald & Billie Eilish?! | Emma Nissen | The Glenn Beck Podcast

Summary

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The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 278

The Next Adele, Ella Fitzgerald & Billie Eilish?! | Emma Nissen
Date: February 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt, musically rich episode, Glenn Beck sits down with Emma Nissen, a rising singer-songwriter whose style defies labels yet draws comparisons to legends like Adele, Ella Fitzgerald, and Billie Eilish. The conversation delves into Emma's journey through music, faith, personal challenges, and authenticity, highlighting her iridescent musical style, spiritual insights, and her refusal to be boxed in by genre or expectations. The episode is peppered with live musical performances, vulnerable storytelling, and profound reflections on creativity, mental health, and the transformative power of music.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emma’s Musical Roots & Influences

• [02:33]–[03:23]:
  Glenn discovers Emma online, struck by her versatility:

  “I thought, oh, she sounds like Adele…no, she sounds like Billie Eilish…she’s positively Ella Fitzgerald.”

  • Emma embraces her “bouquet” of musical influences, from gospel to jazz, and prefers diversity over a single genre.
• [08:26]–[09:09]:
  Ella Fitzgerald is foundational to Emma’s musicality as is an upbringing surrounded by classical music, jazz, and family influences. Emma shares,

  “She’s my muse. I went through a really heavy phase in high school of just listening to Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra every day.”

2. The Origin of Her Unique Style

• [12:31]–[14:08]:
  Emma’s formal classical training was brief—only nine weeks before a vocal cord hemorrhage changed her course.
  • She learned primarily by ear, inspired by both jazz and the persistence of family members refining their craft.

3. The Power of Setbacks & Faith

• [14:18]–[16:35]:
  Emma details how losing her singing voice shifted her toward spiritual surrender and later, songwriting during the pandemic in Sweden.

  “I just gotta have faith…for the first time in my life, I’d never written a song. But I went over the piano…’gotta have faith, faith in the Lord…’ and it just wrote itself.”
  — Emma ([18:03])

4. Songwriting as Authentic Connection

• [16:45]–[18:59]:
  Emma began writing songs only five years prior and initially avoided songwriting, not feeling “deep or meta enough” for it.
  • Inspired by “the greats” and her storytelling father (who worked on “Swan Princess"), Emma realized songwriting could serve others and reflect shared spiritual journeys.

5. Navigating Labels & the Music Industry

• [28:02]–[30:22]:
  Glenn and Emma discuss how her music resists classification—spiritual but not narrowly “Christian,” joyful yet introspective, and genre-fluid.

  “You can write a song for one purpose...but it’s up to the listener...that’s why I think I got over the fear of being that girl...this is something that came from me. Do with it what you will.”
  — Emma ([29:09])

6. Breakout Moments

• [32:38]–[33:51]:
  Emma’s single “Breathe” (self-labeled “Christian jazz”) went viral, leading to a direct message from Adam Blackstone (industry heavyweight), and a set at NYC’s iconic Blue Note Jazz Club.

7. Songwriting Process & Authenticity

• [36:05]–[41:10]:
  Most of Emma’s songs were written in a creative burst from March 2020–August 2021. She’s reluctant to participate in analytical industry “writing sessions,” emphasizing inspiration and emotional honesty.

  “I don’t know how to do that. I don’t know how to go off of not inspiration.”
  — Emma ([53:44])

8. Musicianship & Vocal Techniques

• [41:16]–[44:46]:
  Glenn praises Emma’s unique vocal color and “mouth trumpet” (which she demonstrates live), tracing her ability back to compulsive imitation and immersion in jazz standards.

  “I think I am just a conglomeration of the things I’ve grown up on.”
  — Emma ([42:08])

9. Vulnerability: Body Image & Mental Health

• [54:07]–[63:06]:
  Emma opens up about struggles with body dysmorphia, eating disorders, and the power of cognitive reframing learned at a gym encounter:

  “Thoughts are just thoughts. They’re never true unless they’re a fact...choose the one that moves you forward.”
  — Emma ([60:59])

10. Self-Love and Spirituality

• [64:37]–[66:18]:
  Emma describes her practice of affirmations and how rewiring her thinking brought about inner healing—culminating in songs like “Lovin’” encouraging self-kindness and gratitude for God’s creation.

11. Embracing the "Bouquet" Approach

• [69:00]–[71:01]:
  Discussing her albums, Emma resists pressure to compartmentalize her music as strictly “Christian” or “secular,” wishing to remain open and genre-fluid:

  “Like Taylor Swift, I have my eras... it never started as one thing.”
  — Emma ([69:31])

12. Faith, Doubt, and Loving Despite Uncertainty

• [72:52]–[74:13]:
  Emma reflects on spiritual deconstruction and the importance of loving others amid uncertainty:

  “The thing I do cling to as my belief... is love is the most important thing.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

On Being Unclassifiable:

“Whenever you can’t put somebody in a box, that’s when you have real unique talent.”
— Glenn Beck ([03:23])

On Authenticity:

“I never wanted to be the type of person that was like, 'Hey guys, here's a song...' but once I started writing about my spiritual journey and like my imperfections in that journey, I realized, oh, it’s not about me, it’s about the collective.”
— Emma ([22:58])

On The Power of Thoughts:

“Thoughts are just thoughts. They're never true unless they're a fact. Facts are true, but thoughts, they're made up... Choose the one that moves you forward.”
— Emma ([60:59])

On Self-Compassion:

“If someone were to ask you to list all the things that you love, how long would it take until you said yourself?”
— Emma ([63:06])

On Artistic Purpose:

“I don’t know that I have any expectation of affecting people’s lives...I do it because it’s blessed mine and I want to share that.”
— Emma ([51:57])

On Artistic Freedom:

“I hope you don’t ever listen to somebody who says 'No, that’s gotta go on a Christian album.' Mix them.”
— Glenn Beck ([69:25])

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Featured Songs & Timestamps

• “Breathe” – [04:37]–[08:05]
  Soulful, gospel-infused jazz meditation on spiritual resilience.
• “Gotta Have Faith” – [19:31]–[22:25]
  Emma’s pandemic anthem, blending gospel and personal testimony.
• “Hear Him” – [38:31]–[41:06]
  Gentle, introspective song about listening for divine guidance.
• “Till That Day” – [48:15]–[51:17]
  Nostalgic love song with poetic lyrics and jazz textures.
• “Lovin’” – [66:18]–[68:34]
  Affirming tune about learning to love oneself as part of loving all creation.
• “Am I Enough” – [71:03]–[72:28]
  Vulnerable prayer about self-worth and divine acceptance.
• “Angels” – [79:34]–[83:05]
  Moving ballad inspired by the real-life resilience of Heather Van Borram and the unseen support of angels.
• “Hold On” – [86:32]–[89:42]
  Raw reflection on faith, self-doubt, and the courage to persist through uncertainty.

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Notable & Personal Stories

• Meeting Music Legends:
  Glenn recounts meeting Elton John, Billy Joel, and BB King (who “hit on [his] wife!”) and why he’s hesitant to meet musical heroes.
• Gym Epiphany:
  Emma’s life-changing experience with a cognitive therapy class: “It almost felt illegal how easy that was...I was seriously, spiritually swole after that.” ([62:06])
• Embarrassing Moments:
  Opening for John Legend and wiping her nose just before shaking his hand, then telling audiences, “I just gotta tell you, I’m not any cooler than you…”
• Family Ties:
  Her father was a writer/voice actor on “Swan Princess” and a formative influence as a storyteller.

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Thematic Threads

• Musical Diversity:
  Emma’s music is a “bouquet” of jazz, pop, gospel, and classical.
• Faith Amidst Uncertainty:
  Both host and guest discuss “deconstruction” in faith, resilience in setbacks, and emphasizing love over dogma.
• Vulnerability and Self-Love:
  The power of shifting from self-criticism to self-compassion, and using music as a vessel for healing and collective connection.

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Final Reflection

Emma Nissen emerges as a vibrant new voice who refuses to be defined by a single genre, story, or struggle. Through candid dialogue and song, she models authenticity, humility, resilience, and joy—inviting others to love themselves and their neighbors more fully, no matter where their journey takes them.

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Listen for These Segments

• Emma sings “Breathe”: [04:37]
• Ella Fitzgerald’s influence: [08:26]
• Her vocal injury and spiritual pivot: [14:08]
• “Gotta Have Faith” performance: [19:31]
• Viral internet moment → Blue Note debut: [32:38]
• “Til That Day” live: [48:15]
• Gym/cognitive therapy story: [58:44]
• “Lovin’” (self-love song): [66:18]
• “Angels” and its inspiration: [79:34]
• Emma’s perspective on faith, doubt, purpose: [84:18]–[89:42]

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Notable End Quote:

“Someday you will be a category that somebody will say, oh, so she’s like eminiscing.”
— Glenn Beck ([83:05])

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For Listeners

This episode is a soulful, candid conversation generously interwoven with live songs, insights about faith and creativity, stories of struggle and joy, and the invitation to embrace both the doubts and the beauty within and around us. Whether you’re interested in artistry, spiritual journeying, or stories of overcoming and hope, this conversation with Emma Nissen delivers abundant inspiration and heart.

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Transcript

[Glenn Beck]

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[Emma]

Thoughts are just thoughts. They're never true unless they're a fact. Facts are true, but thoughts, they're made up.

[Glenn Beck]

Music is different than the spoken word or painting or anything else. It's just. And it speaks right directly to the soul. Amazing.

[Emma]

So if you're making up that you're ugly and you're making up that you're beautiful, choose the one that moves you forward, then hinders you.

[Glenn Beck]

This is the best gym encounter of all time.

[Emma]

I know. I was seriously, spiritually swole after that.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Ready.

[Backup Vocalist]

When you're ready.

[Glenn Beck]

I have done. I've done interviews and met people that are like my biggest heroes in music. Elton John, Billy Joel, B.B. king. And I swore I'm not going to meet people I really, really like anymore because sometimes, like, B.B.

[Emma]

King, does it ruin the magic?

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Yeah. B.B.

[Glenn Beck]

King hit on my wife and I was like, no.

[Emma]

Bb, no.

[Glenn Beck]

Didn't really pay attention to me. He was just like, come on over here and sit on BB's lap. And we've spent a couple of hours together. And you are. You're wonderful. You're really wonderful.

[Emma]

I appreciate it. Likewise.

[Glenn Beck]

I discovered you eight months ago.

[Emma]

That long ago?

[Glenn Beck]

Really? Yeah, maybe.

[Emma]

Yeah. Six months.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

I don't know.

[Emma]

Time goes by fast.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

And I saw you because you were someplace and you were just riffing on the Hammond B3 and you were singing Gotta have Faith.

[Emma]

Oh, yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

And you didn't sing the whole song. And I saw that and I was like, oh, my gosh, who is this person? And I listened to you. And when I got there and started going through music, the first thing I heard, I don't remember what it was, but I thought, oh, she sounds like Adele. Then I listened to the next song and I went, no, she sounds like Billie Eilish. And then I heard the next song and I thought, she's positively Ella Fitzgerald. And I have found that whenever you can't put somebody in a box, that's when you have real unique talent.

[Emma]

Well, thanks.

[Glenn Beck]

Tell me your story. First of all, Play.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Play, Breathe, the.

[Glenn Beck]

Whole song if you want to. I've got the time.

[Emma]

Of course, we'll start with a banger. Yeah, that's. I mean, first of all, thank you for saying that because, you know, it was interesting. When I was putting together the album, I was listening to all of them, trying to come up with the order, and I was like. I had written them pretty much in the. Within one year of it, but when I was producing them, I produced them with about three different producers, and I felt like it all just kind of sounded different. Like, one was very much gospel inspired and one was more poppy. One was clearly more jazzy and. But I think I settled more on, like, oh, it's okay for it to be diverse. It's more like a bouquet, you know, because you don't want just something. Me personally, I don't care for a bouquet of just roses. I like lots of wildflowers, so I appreciate it. And I feel like, you know, people, music has kind of changed in that it can be more than one thing. And that's kind of where we landed with Jesus and jazz, that it's not just one thing. So this is prayer request.

[Lead Vocalist]

Breathe I breath fill up my lungs I breathe the warmth of the sun I breathe be cause they beg I did one night breathe.

[Backup Vocalist]

And I see.

[Lead Vocalist]

So many holding on I believe that when kingdom comes I'll be completely overcome and breathe feels like I'm drowning When it's me my thoughts and I just like Sinatra said I guess I hang my tears out to dry gaze I.

[Backup Vocalist]

Never take anybody Kind of say you're.

[Lead Vocalist]

By my side Just like the queen of soul I say a little prayer and on out comes a song I.

[Backup Vocalist]

Breathe breath, breath, breath, breathe, breath.

[Lead Vocalist]

There'S arms of the peace that comes when no one got any sun I look into a face filled with familiarity and let the good air fill my lungs.

[Backup Vocalist]

There'S arms or the pits that comes.

[Emma]

Don'T mean I guess when you watch.

[Lead Vocalist]

Over me My Lord, my God, my savior, my king and my remedy and.

[Backup Vocalist]

I breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breathe, breath. My tea gets out to die Guess I never took into account I had.

[Lead Vocalist]

To sing you're by my side Just like the queen of soul I'll say a little prayer and on her comes.

[Backup Vocalist]

A sigh and I breathe, breathe, breath, breath, breath, breath, Breath.

[Lead Vocalist]

Fill out my lungs Breathe the warmth of the sun I breath, breath oh, they will guide you one.

[Glenn Beck]

Where does that come from?

[Emma]

It's a conglomeration of a lot of things.

[Glenn Beck]

I mean, you look like you could be in abba.

[Emma]

You know what I mean?

[Glenn Beck]

That comes out of you. It's amazing.

[Emma]

Well, thanks. Ironically, I don't breathe at all during that song. I find myself gasping. I'm like. But I heard that.

[Glenn Beck]

I don't think I've ever. I've heard people try to sound like Ella Fitzgerald, but I don't think I've ever heard anybody naturally sound like Ella Fitzgerald. There's parts of that that sound positively. How much of a role did she play in your life?

[Emma]

Extremely central to so much of my musicality. Now, even if I. What I do isn't strictly jazz, though. It's. It is like, almost this closeted part of me that I don't get to do as often as I would like. But I went through a really heavy phase in high school of just listening to Ella Fitzgerald and Frank Sinatra, like, every day. And it was kind of just my. Yeah, she's my muse. So can I ask you.

[Glenn Beck]

I heard that you are doing a tribute to Ella at the Ella Fitzgerald Theater.

[Emma]

Yes. Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

What was. What is that like to be asked?

[Emma]

I don't know if I fully digested it. It's like some girls, they wait and they plan, and they've got Pinterest boards for their wedding, and that is just like the peak of their existence. But this. When Tom, my manager, told me about it, I was like, tom, whoa. You're being way too nonchalant about this. This is like the peak of. This is the best thing I'm ever gonna be asked to do because Ella Fitzgerald's everything to me. So I'm just so excited. And she like, to give some background of my ear training. And it's Ella Fitzgerald, largely, but before that, it was Gershwin and Debussy and Chopin and all of these classical. Not that I played, but I have four older brothers. And the one that's just older than me, he was probably the one that I was listening to practice the most. And he would get up at 5am and practice every single. He was just very, very dedicated. And he would practice these passages for these very long and difficult, complicated songs over and over and over again, and it would annoy him. So bad. But I knew what came next. So I could sing these like Complicated Rhapsody in Blue note for note. Obviously not every note. Cause there's a lot of fingers going on. But I would sing them and he would hate it because I would sing what was coming next. But he just needed to practice slowly. And I realized when I was thinking back on this just the other week, that when he was doing that, we were all at home together. And I was like, Adam, I think that that is why I am like, why I attached myself to jazz and learning scat. Because the. What makes me so excited about the Ella Fitzgerald thing is I'm so obsessed and love her so much that I learned note for note, a seven minute scat solo that she did live in Berlin in 1960 from how high the Moon. Like, I just. I knew it note for note. And sometimes I'm like, how did I do? And I'm like, oh, it's because I've been doing that since I was little doing. You know. And so that's like, I'm very, you know, no pressure on myself to do, you know, seven minutes note for note. But I'm like, oh, that's my.

[Glenn Beck]

Is that what you're gonna do?

[Emma]

That's my time to shine. Wow. Yeah, I'm really excited about it. Cause I'm like, this is. You know, some people work for. I'm only 25, but I'm excited for.

[Glenn Beck]

That one for sure. You sound like you are 50 musically. I really do.

[Emma]

Thank you.

[Glenn Beck]

It's interesting that you say you're brothers played classical because I don't remember what song I was listening to that day. And it was on your. I heard it on your. Your acoustic album. But I. I felt like there was hints of classical and I thought, no, she's Nina Simone.

[Emma]

Yeah. Because keep on getting more and more.

[Glenn Beck]

The chords and some of the ways you play the piano, it's. It's just not typical.

[Emma]

Oh, well, part of that could be because I quit piano very early on, so I kind of have to fudge the rest of it. But it's. Yeah, it definitely.

[Glenn Beck]

How much classical training do you have vocally?

[Emma]

Nine weeks. And I'll tell you the story there.

[Glenn Beck]

Nine weeks.

[Emma]

Yeah. There wasn't much to learn there, but I mean. No, no, no. Not meaning that I. There wasn't much for me to learn, but there wasn't much that I could learn in those nine weeks before. So my vocal cords. I know. It's a big story.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, can you just. Why only nine weeks?

[Emma]

Well, I'll Tell you so. And this kind of goes into me writing music for the first time. So. Grew up in a very musical family, obviously. My brother, who's the second oldest, taught me how to read chords, and I think once I read chords, I kind of quit on piano. But I did take piano growing up, and I could read music, but I've. I've. Since my skills are lacking in that department, so I read chords, and I started to find songs that I really loved and learn them and then play by ear. Yeah, yeah, definitely play by ear. And then just relying on chords, but. So I was fortunate enough to get a scholarship to Northern Arizona University, their vocal program. And I don't know that I quite comprehended how opera that would be. And so it wasn't like my jam necessarily, but I was like, I was in it, and I was excited for it, but it meant that I was singing, like, six hours a day between practices and choirs and ear training classes and diction classes. They all had some element of vocalization and singing and. Or just talking or in my extracurriculars. So what ended up happening was nine weeks into that first semester, I hemorrhaged my right vocal cord.

[Glenn Beck]

Holy cow.

[Emma]

Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you feel it?

[Emma]

No.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you know this is what you were to do yet?

[Emma]

No.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, so it wasn't like, oh, my gosh, my whole life is over.

[Emma]

Well, yes, but it was a perfect segue. So at that time in my life, I felt pretty connected spiritually to, like, what God wants me to do, I will do. And what God's plan for me is. I want to, you know, chase afterwards. And so I kind of had this, like, if there's a perfect window of opportunity for me to do something that God wants, like, I want to follow that. And so I had that kind of in the back of my head. And it was. I mean, you could call it by chance that my vocal coach was like, oh, the Ents, they need mock patients to learn scoping throats. Will you go be a mock patient? And it just so happened that it was, like, just a few days prior to that that I had lost my voice. And I didn't realize that that was the hemorrhage. And so I go in, and they're like, oh, it looks like you've hemorrhaged your vocal cords. But because we're. You should go get another opinion. But stop talking, stop singing. You'll probably need to drop out of college. So my immediate reaction was like, oh, my gosh, this is horrible. I thought that God was leading me to College. And, like, I got this scholarship. I was the first freshman to ever get into the jazz program there. And I felt like I was, you know, crushing it. But then immediately I get this. Like, this is my window of opportunity to do something better that I don't yet understand. I just gotta have faith.

[Glenn Beck]

Good for you.

[Emma]

So that was like.

[Glenn Beck]

I was like, is that where that song comes from?

[Emma]

So a year later, I'm living in Sweden, pandemic starts. And I'm like. I felt I had been led there by God. And I was like, this is my thing that I'm going to do.

[Glenn Beck]

Because you're serving God and you're.

[Emma]

Yeah, right. And I. Yeah, I was on it. I was doing a church mission at that time. Cause I just kind of changed course. I was like, okay, I won't do college. So I decided to do a church mission. And nine weeks into that pandemic starts, and I was like, well, I thought that God wanted me to do this. And I get that same like, well, this is the window of opportunity to do something better.

[Glenn Beck]

I.

[Emma]

You know, I just gotta have faith. And for the first time in my life, I'd never written a song. But I went over the piano.

[Glenn Beck]

Hang on just a second. I just. I need to say this again, because I heard this the other day after listening to you and really listening to you over and over again, and then I find out you had never written a song until five years ago.

[Emma]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy?

[Glenn Beck]

That's nuts.

[Emma]

It is nuts.

[Glenn Beck]

That's nuts.

[Emma]

I kind of still don't believe it sometimes.

[Glenn Beck]

And you, like, didn't have a desire you didn't want to, right?

[Backup Vocalist]

No, I.

[Emma]

You know, I don't think that I had anything to write about up until that point. And, you know, when I was in. Even now, obviously, like, Taylor Swift is huge, and, like, Taylor Swift was the writer. And, like, I was just like, I don't really have anything to write about. That's gonna be. Like, there was no. I never dated anyone. So I had no love stories or, like, breakups to write about. And I wasn't probably that deep or meta that. Like, I wasn't writing anything. And I just kind of thought, like, it was cheesy, and it was every girl's pipe dream to just, like, be a writer with their guitar. So I was like, whatever. And. But, you know, I grew up listening to the greats like Stevie Wonder and Billy Joel and. And there's a lot of storytelling in that. And my. My dad's a storyteller, and so I.

[Glenn Beck]

Felt like your dad did a famous animation movie.

[Emma]

Swan Princess.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, Swan Princess.

[Emma]

That he did. He's got all of the. The, you know, the, like. Yeah. What they use to work on the animation. Yeah. In his. In his room. It's just so cool. And he was the voice of Derek in the third one.

[Glenn Beck]

Wow.

[Emma]

So that's always fun. But he. Yeah. My dad's a storyteller, and so I. I feel like I grew up, you know, telling lots of stories through different facets of my life.

[Glenn Beck]

But you're in. So you're in Sweden.

[Emma]

I'm in Sweden.

[Glenn Beck]

And now it's Covid.

[Emma]

And now it's.

[Glenn Beck]

And you're locked down.

[Emma]

And I'm like, well, what story do I have to tell? And it. And it really just kind of. From my. I was like, well, we gotta have faith. And so I felt like, oh, the way. Cause at that point, I didn't really know if I was gonna be a singer. It still felt a little out of reach and maybe unrealistic. And I also just, you know, wanted at my core to be somebody that was there for other people. Someone that people could relate to. Someone like an angel to other people. Like, how can I help? And I felt like those two things slipped together in writing that first song. And I remember I was like, you know, I've always just kind of had a little, like, gospel choir in the back of my head, but I was like, gotta have faith. And I walk over the piano, faith in the Lord. And I was like, oh. And I. I just remember just being filled with so much joy at that point, and it just wrote itself. Oh, sorry. That.

[Glenn Beck]

I'll tell you, that is when I saw you playing the Hammond B3. That's what I felt.

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Pure joy. I felt this pure joy coming out of you. It was amazing.

[Emma]

No, for sure.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Will you play it?

[Emma]

I will. Let's see.

[Glenn Beck]

So this is a song really kind of. To you.

[Emma]

Oh, for sure. This was my anthem that I think carried me through a lot of anything that came my way. I was like, well, we gotta have faith. And that just kinda became my thing. And it's applicable to just about anything. So.

[Lead Vocalist]

I look around and begin to count my.

[Emma]

It's not the right lyrics. What is it? First one. I should know it.

[Glenn Beck]

No, it is.

[Emma]

I'm reaching.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh, it's reaching out Reaching out Counting my blessings.

[Lead Vocalist]

I'm reaching out yet the sun keeps on setting Painting me gold but bringing all the blue As I look to the stars I can feel the tears start swelling and I Cry help me.

[Backup Vocalist]

Lord, what am I to do?

[Lead Vocalist]

I gotta have faith Faith in the.

[Backup Vocalist]

Lord that the sun will rise tomorrow.

[Lead Vocalist]

And I'll be stronger than before I gotta have faith Faith in the Lord that these trying times will help me and I can reap my reward I look around and begin to count my blessings oh one but when I see.

[Backup Vocalist]

What God has done My heart is.

[Lead Vocalist]

Full and I don't need to keep on guessing I am a child of God even after all that's said and.

[Backup Vocalist]

Done But I got to have faith.

[Lead Vocalist]

Faith in the Lord.

[Backup Vocalist]

That the sun.

[Lead Vocalist]

Will rise tomorrow and I'll be stronger than before I gotta have faith Faith.

[Backup Vocalist]

In the Lord that these trying times.

[Lead Vocalist]

Will help me and I can reap my reward oh, and I know that my Savior's walking with me by my.

[Backup Vocalist]

Side in my heart and in my.

[Lead Vocalist]

Mind.

[Backup Vocalist]

He'S the light of my life that I need to survive and I'm all that I am because of him.

[Lead Vocalist]

And I'm going to have faith Faith in the Lord Lord that the sun will rise tomorrow and I'll be stronger than before Faith, faith in the Lord.

[Backup Vocalist]

And this giant D Allow me and I can read my reward I gotta have, I gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta have faith in the Lord now the sun will rise tomorrow and I'll be stronger than before he's the light of my life that I need to serve.

[Lead Vocalist]

And.

[Backup Vocalist]

I'm all that I am beginning he because of he.

[Glenn Beck]

So when you write that and you sing it and you, you, you've got it nailed. You think?

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

What, what did you think when you, when you finished? What?

[Emma]

Honestly, I. So on my mission I just had Facebook and it was like my mom and probably some other fan accounts that she had created that like I didn't have anybody following me. And I kind of, I had to get over this fear that people were gonna judge me for being a girl that was singing. Cause I never wanted to be the type of person that was like, hey guys, here's a song that I wrote and I really like it and I hope you like it too, you know what I'm saying? So I just didn't want to be that person that was self centered and thought that I was a great singer and that everyone would benefit from listening to me. But then I realized once I started writing about my spiritual journey and like my imperfections in that journey, I realized, oh, it's not about me, it's about the collective, you know, bringing people together and the, the experiences that we share.

[Glenn Beck]

And you and I talked before we Started recording about, we're all so much alike, and we all hide so much because we think we're flawed and nobody else is. We're all flawed and we're all flawed in many times exactly the same way.

[Emma]

I could tell you probably a lot of stories of me embarrassing myself with the few celebrities that I've met. And you will see how flawed I truly show up. As I met John Legend last December, I was opening for him with Adam Blackstone. Straight up, just, I had a runny nose, didn't think it through, my body took over and I wiped my nose right before shaking his hand. Oh my God. And everybody, we all just like. It was like time stopped. And I was like, oh, there's snot on my head. And like brought attention to it. It was horrible. It was awkward. Everybody hated it. My dad was, no, you've ruined this. And I was like, well, whatever. And so now at my shows, I'm like, I just gotta tell you, I'm not any cooler than you. Just cause I'm up here. I have snot on my hand when I see John Legend. So it's like, I don't know. I just think being authentic is so much more relatable than what you think people want you to be or what you think people want to be. You know?

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

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[Emma]

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[Glenn Beck]

So I see people start in Christian music and I wouldn't put your music into Christian. I don't think you have a box. And I think in some ways Christian music, there's praise and worship music but you don't fit in that box. And I don't know why it has to be called Christian. Because you know, I listen to some popular music and it's not. I don't call it pornography. Yeah, but it Is, you know, just because the lyrics are one way or another.

[Emma]

Yeah. I think genres really come down to, like, identifiable community. But so, like, when my music gets lobbed into the Christian genre, which technically it is, because we talk about spirituality, we talk about, you know, Christ and a lot of themes in Christianity. But I have a lot of listeners and a lot of, you know, people that have discovered my music that either aren't religious at all.

[Glenn Beck]

You just did a tour in Europe, if I'm not mistaken.

[Emma]

Yeah, that's not a big.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

You know.

[Emma]

I know. Well, it's interesting because I thought I. I grew up thinking that Europe was more secular and kind of agnostic, atheist, especially Sweden, where my heritage is from. And I got there, and I was. Because I was connected to the Christian scene through a friend, I went and did a Christian festival. I was like, oh, there's a lot of Christians here. So I think you find your people. But it's been really cool that me finding my people. There has not been a single, like, uniform fan. You know, it's just been a lot of different walks of life because, you know, we talked about this a little bit earlier, that you can write a song for one purpose or from one piece of inspiration or one moment in your life, but it's up to the listener. It's like art. And I know you collect a lot of art that, like, they may have intended to convey this message, but you may feel something deeply that is based on your version of reality and what you've experienced up to that point. So that's why I'm like. I think I got over that fear of being that girl that was like, hey, guys, here's a song. Because I was like, this is something that came from me. Do with it what you will, and what you do with it is gonna be beautiful. And we're allowed to be together in that.

[Glenn Beck]

So there's a. You know, Michael Buble and I became friends before he was Michael Buble, and. And I remember going to see him in concert early on. It was the first time he was at Radio City Music Hall. And he walks out on stage, and before he walks out, I'm talking to people, and they're from all over the world.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

All over the world.

[Glenn Beck]

And they had traveled all over the world and seen him several times. And I had known his music, but I had never seen him live. And you don't have to like standards to like Michael Buble. The key to Michael Buble is joy. He is so joyful the whole time. And I think that cuts across all.

[Emma]

Genres, I think, especially about, like, jazz standards. The way I. The reason I gravitate towards those is because there is a feeling that is almost intangible from those. And it's like the nostalgia, the joy. And I know that you're saying Michael Buble radiates that joy and not necessarily.

[Glenn Beck]

The music, but I think, yeah, it's. He's so happy to be there and to do it.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

You know what I mean?

[Glenn Beck]

He just. It just is like, that is just. He loves it. And you can feel that.

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Your music, you still feel that from you, but also the lyrics and everything else.

[Emma]

Yeah, Yeah. I think I've received that from several people that despite maybe, you know, especially some international fans, that maybe when I'm singing really fast or I don't enunciate very much, the inspiration coming from those jazz, the nostalgia, the way they paint pictures with those beautiful, you know, poetry and words. I'm like, well, that's what I want to convey in my music. And I feel like I've done a successful job to this point because of the reactions that I've got. Like, I didn't even know this was talking about this, or I didn't even know what this was talking about. And I felt this. And I'm like, music speaks for itself, you know, and it's like, that's up to them.

[Glenn Beck]

When did you hit? When it. When did it.

[Emma]

When did it explode?

[Glenn Beck]

When did it explode? Because it exploded with that song, right?

[Emma]

No, with Breathe, the first one that.

[Glenn Beck]

I said Breathe was the first one.

[Emma]

I think, because it was so niche. It was. I posted a video two Novembers ago. So November of 23, I was like, have you heard of Christian jazz? And it just kind of exploded. I was not expecting it. And I. Yeah, it was just posted on Instagram and I thought, oh, this is fun. People might like it. And they did. And then it. It brought us to. I. I started getting lots of DMs for the first time. I was like, oh, this is crazy. And one of those people was Adam Blackstone, who is the musical director. He's been involved with, you know, the Super Bowl, Nicki Minaj, Rihanna, Beyonce, Stevie Wonder. He works with everybody. Just an incredible and an incredible person, too, to know in the industry. But he texted or he dmed me on Instagram and was like, who are you? Come to New York and sing at Blue Note Jazz Club. Blue Note, yes. So I didn't know. I live under a rock somewhat because I kind of live in the 1940s and I don't know anything current. And so I looked up Adam Blackstone, and I was like, oh, he's a big deal. And then I like. Cause I don't know anything. Then I looked up Blue Note Jazz Club, and I was like, oh, it's a big deal.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh, you didn't know?

[Emma]

No, I don't know anything. Well, that's not true. But, like, about the industry, I was very. I've been very slow to learn, like, oh, this is important. You should know this, because I'm just flying by the seat of my pants on a lot of. On a lot of stuff, going by the vibes, you know, jazz. But I. And I think maybe because I was a singer, he thought I was based in New York, but he was like, come and sing with me next week or next month in jazz at Blue Note. And I was like, okay. And he was like, you're based in New York? And I was like, yes. I was like, I'll be there. Like, anywhere that you want me to be. Like, I'll be there. And we had such a good time. He asked me if there was anything I had written, and I was like, is this how this goes? Like, he was so incredible. So we ended up singing Love like youe and then a Christmas song that he had written with on his LP that was for Andre Day. And we just had a great time. I met Queen Latifah. There wasn't as awkward, no snot involved. But, yeah, I just. Yeah, I had a great time. It was. The energy was palpable. And we. We just grooved. And I was like, do you wanna. I don't know the rules to a lot of this game. So I was like, do you wanna record this? Cause I was like, I don't know. You just ask. Maybe it's not. Maybe you shouldn't ask people that are that high up if they can do you that favor. But I was like, do you want to produce this? And he was like, yeah, that would be awesome. My studio's in Philly. And I was like, great. I can live in Philly. I'm like, I can all be there. I'm located in Philly, so. And so, yeah, he ended up producing that song. And it was just like. I think that was kind of my introduction into kind of his sphere. Cause he really took me into. He really took me under his wing. And he's been a really good contact because he's just so kind, and he just wants people to succeed. So I just. I feel like, oh, yeah, this isn't. This isn't hard. This isn't scary. It's just about having fun. And so. Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

So what came. What came next?

[Emma]

So when I moved back to the States after Sweden, I started. I knew that I wanted to record the music I had been writing and I thought it's still kind of a big dream.

[Glenn Beck]

What had you had written?

[Emma]

So I had written just about every. I've written probably about 26 Christian songs and I'll end up releasing 24ish. I've got two albums worth and I wrote the majority of those, minus maybe three or four from March of 2020 until like August of 21. In that year and a half, I just like, that was how I spent my time. And. And so I came home and like September ish. I picked one song and that was Hear Him. I did a Kickstarter, people donated. I was able to go to Nashville and record three more songs, met some great people and then got picked up by a label, then was able to do the rest of play Hear him.

[Glenn Beck]

And Tell Me a Story.

[Emma]

The story of Hear him was truly just that.

[Backup Vocalist]

But.

[Emma]

I. I don't know. I think we talk about like I grew up, the culture of speaking about the Spirit was still small voice. And you know, it was a phrase. Hear him. The voice is soft and low. That was kind of like ruminating in my mind. Just. It's not always loud, it's not always obvious. And that was what I felt was there right after I was walking out of the hospital. I felt like it was a small. Just like, kind of like just gotta have faith, you know, it's just kinda like in the back of my head. And I was like, yeah, you're so right.

[Glenn Beck]

And so I think that's why people miss it.

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Maybe they miss it because they think it's just them.

[Emma]

It's gonna be so obvious. Yeah. But I think too, a lot of things is like, it's up to you. My beliefs now as I've just kind of grown and changed and. And reconstructed, deconstructed all of the above. I think too that the Spirit and how you see God and Jesus or something greater is up to you. You choose to open your eyes to answers, to blessings, to goodness. And so that's kind of, you know, it's like you will hear what you're looking for. And if you're only looking for something to be a grand gesture and for God to just reign down fire and these big miracles, it's like, well, you might. You might be missing all these. These small open doors just because the one that you want is closed.

[Lead Vocalist]

So that was kind of the.

[Emma]

The thought behind this one.

[Lead Vocalist]

Out of the water I fill up my lungs and I say to the.

[Backup Vocalist]

Father.

[Lead Vocalist]

What have I done to deserve all this loving?

[Backup Vocalist]

I can't understand But I know that he hears me.

[Lead Vocalist]

Cause I get the sense of. Hear him. Though the voice may be soft and low. Hear him and you know?

[Backup Vocalist]

Hear him. Strive with all your heart and soul. Hear him.

[Lead Vocalist]

Out of the darkness and into the light. This weight on my shoulders begins to take flight. I can feel my hope growing? Yes, I feel it inside And I.

[Backup Vocalist]

Know that'll carry me through the darkest night. Hear him. Though the voice may be soft and low. Hear him, man in love Hear him. Strive with all your heart and soul. Oh, hear him and you'll know. I don't know lies before me but all I know is I trust in the Lord completely.

[Lead Vocalist]

Completely.

[Backup Vocalist]

Hear him. Though the voice may be soft and low? Hear him and you know Hear him. Strive with all your heart and soul. Hear him and you know? Hear him. Start with all your mighty, mighty and so Hear him and you know. Hear him and you know.

[Glenn Beck]

That was the song I heard, and I thought, she's Adele.

[Emma]

Oh, that's such a high compliment. I thank you. You're so gracious with your compliments.

[Glenn Beck]

No, I. I don't say what I don't believe. It's remarkable. You know, I'm listening to. And this may be a really odd question that maybe nobody can relate to. You have. And I don't even know if this is the right language tonality, the way you form your words, the way you use your mouth. Did you just learn that from listening to people? Cause it's almost as if. And maybe it comes from scat.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Maybe.

[Glenn Beck]

I've heard you do your mouth trumpet, and you absolutely sound like a trumpet. But there are times where the way you form your words in your mouth, it sounds almost like different instruments and it gives you this unique sound.

[Emma]

Yeah. I think I've spent a lot of time, my high school and listening to jazz, imitating and trying to find. I don't know that I was ever trying to, like, consciously find. What does eminiscence sound like? Because I think I am just a conglomeration of the things that I've grown up on, but I've learned to kind of imitate different sounds, and I truly have this thing that, like, if a truck goes by and honks its horn, I will subconsciously. Like, if it's like, I'll be like. Like, I just have to I have to, like. Yeah. Or if, like, someone will, like, I'll hear that and I'll go. I have to, like, get the right note. I have to, like. You know, I have to. It's like a. I don't know, an auditorium.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, not that, but.

[Emma]

Yeah, but it's just like an. I. I don't even know. I just find myself and it gets me into trouble because sometimes if somebody. One time, I was in high school history class and my teacher said the word rhinoceros. Weird. And I didn't mean to, but I was like, rhinoc. And it was dead quiet, and I was like, I am so sorry. I was like, I cannot believe I just did that. But it was subconscious. And I think I just spend a lot of my life repeating and trying to figure out, oh, can I do that? You know? And so did you.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you listen to the instruments or did you listen to people? Can you do a little mouth trumpet?

[Emma]

Yeah. This was something I discovered in third grade. I was like, I'm not even kidding. It was just like, me probably just trying to be more annoying. But let's see. With lip gloss, it'll be.

[Backup Vocalist]

Amazing.

[Emma]

It's just a thing. It's a party trick.

[Glenn Beck]

It's just a party trick.

[Emma]

Yeah, but that one's fun. Fun for sure. To. But, yeah. I found myself kind of just repeating, and I feel like I'm conscious of the emotion that it evokes when I hear something. Like, we were talking about Samara Joy earlier, and just some of the greats in jazz when they come into a song that's like. You just hear, like, for example, at Last by Etta James, that. That first, I wanna, like, you hear that ah. And it's kind of nasally like, ah, but you know what's coming. And it just evokes this like, ah.

[Lead Vocalist]

Wanna Sunday kind of love.

[Emma]

And it just feels like falling in love. And so for me, I've been like, okay, well, if I'm gonna sing a.

[Lead Vocalist]

Note, then I'm gonna.

[Emma]

And that's for me. Reminiscent of Etta and anyone else.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Emma]

Yeah. I think if I were to take my best guess at what I'm doing.

[Glenn Beck]

You wrote, I think, one of my favorite love songs is.

[Emma]

Till that Day.

[Glenn Beck]

No, Ray Charles. I can't remember the name of it now, but you know I love you in a place where there is no space or time.

[Emma]

And it's stuff like that. It's like, we don't write like that anymore.

[Glenn Beck]

I know.

[Emma]

Honestly, no shade to Taylor Swift, but I don't Hear that in her songs.

[Glenn Beck]

You do, you know, the. What is the love song that I wrote it down here till that day. I love that song.

[Emma]

That is so kind, because I love.

[Glenn Beck]

The lyrics in it. It's like, I love you in a place where there's no space and time.

[Emma]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know. Well, I know where I was in that moment where I had written that. I was so hurt, and I think I. I think in that moment, I had. I would say that I was in love in that, like, I had fallen in love with somebody, and it was not, like, reciprocated in the way maybe, that my expectations had set up for myself, but. And it was. You know, all I had ever listened to was jazz, and I had, like, fallen in love with this guy, and I. And it got my heart broken, and I was like, well, I'm gonna write exactly how that feels. And so it's just, like, a very nostalgic. Like, I wanted to paint the picture of all the things that you feel when you're. When you're in. In love.

[Glenn Beck]

Who produced this on the.

[Emma]

So I did this in Nashville with my producer, Seth Mosley.

[Glenn Beck]

He's really well produced. It won't sound the same doing it.

[Emma]

No, it won't, unfortunately, because we don't have the vocoder, and the vocoder is the secret ingredient. Oh.

[Glenn Beck]

It's really amazing. But the lyrics and the music are in.

[Backup Vocalist]

Enough.

[Glenn Beck]

Play, please.

[Lead Vocalist]

I.

[Emma]

It's been a minute since I. Since I've reminisced about this song, so I'll have to just.

[Glenn Beck]

You have to look it up.

[Emma]

I have to look it up because I.

[Glenn Beck]

So do you think there's ever going to come a time where you're sick of the songs that you.

[Emma]

Yes, I already am.

[Glenn Beck]

I already are.

[Emma]

You know, I know that's horrible to say, but I. I've got to be honest. Sometimes I. I sing songs, but this is the beauty of showing it to new people is they get to reintroduce it to you.

[Glenn Beck]

I. I did an interview just. Just like this with Tony Bennett, and I know, and. And it's the last few minutes, and he hasn't done. I left my heart. And I said, I hate to ask you this because, you know, you must. Maybe you're sick of it, but I can't. And he jumped ugly on me real quick. He was like, why would I be sick of that song? And I'm like, no, I didn't mean it that way. But he sang it, and it was unbelievable.

[Emma]

Oh, I'M sure. Yeah. But no, I think. And it's just maybe because I've kind of gotten into the rhythm of doing them, but that's why I like doing stuff live is because especially with jazz or jazzy elements to things is. Cause they never really sound the same.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Emma]

But yeah, this. This one goes kind of high. So we will do our best here.

[Lead Vocalist]

Everybody's talking about the magic it is to be loved But I don't know it no, I don't know it Everybody's showing off their life with the lens Rose C around But I won't show it no, I won't show it.

[Emma]

Till.

[Lead Vocalist]

The day you looked at me with such delirious love in your eyes Till you talk to me like it's the last day Last day of our lives Till you walk with me forever like like we been hypnotized to be the.

[Backup Vocalist]

One that I love Will ever make me want to say goodbye.

[Lead Vocalist]

Everybody's running around with their fingers laced and adorned But I don't buy it no, I don't buy it and every smile I ever seen Seems to be set free.

[Backup Vocalist]

By this fall in love But I wouldn't show it no, I wouldn't show.

[Lead Vocalist]

It Till the day you looked at me with such delirious love in your eyes Till you walked with me like it's the last day Last day of our lives do you walk with me forever like we've been hypnotized to be.

[Backup Vocalist]

The one that love will never make me want to say goodbye oh, I feel myself falling into a picture perfect life I know, I feel I've waited twice as long Just to get the double prize I've been hurt up in light too I've been deeply traumatized so don't love me in the ways that I despise Till the day you looked.

[Lead Vocalist]

At me with such delirious love in.

[Backup Vocalist]

Your eyes Till you turn talk to me forever like we've been hypnotized Till you walk with me forever like we've been hypnotized to be the one that a love will never make me want to say goodbye to be the one that I love who will never make me want to say goodbye to my.

[Glenn Beck]

What's it like to be able to move people emotionally like that?

[Emma]

I don't know. I don't know that I consciously have an expectation of the emotion that's to be moved. But. Or even if I.

[Glenn Beck]

Like sometimes when I'm singing, like I am so emotional after that. And you must feel that it must be a really could be a very dangerous thing if you let it go to your ego. But it must be a really cool thing to be able to sing. Music is different than the spoken word or painting or anything else. It's just different. It speaks right directly to the soul.

[Emma]

Yeah, there's a couple things I would say to that. One, I don't know. This isn't me feigning humility, but I truly don't know that I have any expectation of like, affecting people's lives. But in retrospect, when I get to hear. Because you like a lot of. A lot of lies, like, I don't do it to. And I know that's not what you're saying, but like, I don't do it to go out there and be like, I'm gonna go bless lives right now and like go to a concert, you know, But I just, like, I do it cause. Because it's blessed mine and I wanna share that. And one of the things that's cool about this position, you know, I run into people sometimes out and about and they, you know, they'll stop me and just tell me like, really quick, oh, you know, I've loved this or this, or I found this song when this and this happened. It's very, very kind of them to like, go deep and share something with me. But a lot of people don't really get to see the effect of what they do and how that ripples out. But. But in moments like that, I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I get to. I get to see pretty immediately what that was to somebody and that. I think you never know what it's gonna be. And so I don't ever wanna try. Like, with my writing music, I've never thought I wanna make somebody feel loved. So I'm gonna write a song that is like that. It purely is inspiration that would be.

[Glenn Beck]

AI.

[Emma]

Well, yeah, it's just like. It's just not. Not me, you know, as I. And some people. This is why. As I've gotten more and more into the industry, people are like, oh, do you want to have writing sessions? Do you want to write with me? And I'm like, no, I don't, like, I. I don't know how to do that. I don't know how to go off of. Not inspiration. And so that's why.

[Glenn Beck]

But that's why you're different. That's why you're authentic, possibly. That's why I think, yeah, you're different.

[Emma]

I. Yeah, good.

[Glenn Beck]

I. I was watching one of your Instagram posts and you had. I think you had just gotten off stage and you were talking about a dress.

[Emma]

Oh, yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

You know what I'm talking about.

[Emma]

I know. I know what you're talking about. Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Tell the story.

[Emma]

So this goes back probably longer than just the last five years. But I've always been somewhat. I would say, like, I've been confident. I've been confident to show up places. And I don't know that I struggle so much with the. Like, I don't feel like I should be here because I'm just like, well, it's not even just me. Like, I have to give credit to a higher power. So I feel like I'm like, it's me and you know, so. But I like and trigger warning to anyone that struggles with eating disorders or body dysmorphia. But I struggled deeply. The beginning of 2020. I had this really weird bout of anxiety and it was so bad that it made me nauseous and I would throw up like seven times a day.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh my gosh.

[Emma]

And then it just kind of stumbled into an eating disorder. And I lost a lot of weight really quickly. And I'd always struggled with my weight. Cause we always kind of joke. In third grade, I started eating.

[Backup Vocalist]

School.

[Emma]

Lunches that I would eat people's Mac and cheese. And then I just got fat and I cursed the school lunches. But I man, that Mac and cheese was just too good. And you weren't allowed to eat people's food in elementary school. Like, you had to eat your own. But every time that aide turned its back, I shoving some Mac and cheese in my mouth. But I anyway, so I always like, struggled with my weight, feeling like I was way bigger than the other people in my grade and just like, really like, oh man, they're cardigan is an Xs and mine is a large. Like, I just. It was you know, also just like girly things. Just growing up and being 13 and whatever. But. And I thought I had a good handle on it. But going then once that like eating disorder and two on a mission. People feed you all the time. Yeah. And I had like weird things that I didn't know if I was allergic to with dairy or whatever. So I just like would eat and then throw up and. And throw up and it was horrible. I fixed it and got. I was able to overcome that part of just struggling with food and identity. But once I fixed that and stopped throwing up, then I gained a bunch of weight and then I like, the body dysmorphia was just so it hit me like a truck. And I just was like. It was so strange because I really felt like the most important thing is you could do was learn how to love yourself. And I didn't understand why. I didn't even think that I deserved to look in the mirror. And it was stuff like that, that it was extreme, where I was like, people's lives are worse because they have to look at me. And it was like, no one thinks that. It's just like your brain cooks up the worst.

[Glenn Beck]

It's really bad.

[Emma]

And I saw you.

[Glenn Beck]

It knows exactly who you are and how to get you. It's amazing.

[Emma]

And I. You know, this is probably stuff, too, that I know we'll continue to work on. But it's like I sometimes then couldn't tell, well, am I lying to myself? Like, do I actually think that I'm pretty, but I'm making myself feel bad? Am I manipulating myself? And if people know, like, there's just a lot of layers there. But I was like, well, maybe I deserve to feel bad because then when I get better, I'll have felt the most worst that I could. So then I'll feel the most on top. It was so complicated. Yeah. And I didn't know how to explain that to anybody. Cause I didn't want to just be like, oh, I'm just feeling down in the dumps. And I hate myself. Like, it's just like, ugh, whatever. Get over it. Everyone hates themselves. Kind of.

[Glenn Beck]

You sound. No offense. I'm a recovering alcoholic. That sounds like an alcoholism kind of thing. Cause you're constantly playing all these different things out in your mind.

[Emma]

Yeah. And when you want to reach out for help, it's just complicated there too. Because you don't want to feel sorry for yourself, but you don't know how much to ask for. Anyway, what I know we're talking about here is how I got over it was. It was like in the thick of the height of just me not loving myself for who I was. And I didn't know how to fix it. And I went to the gym one day, probably working out against the mirror so that I didn't have to look at myself. And I ran into a friend's from high school's mom. And she was like, oh, it's so good to see you. I teach these cognitive therapy or these cognitive thinking classes at night. You should. We're doing one tonight. You should come. And I was like, okay. Like, I didn't have anything better to do.

[Glenn Beck]

What's cognitive thinking?

[Emma]

Just. I Like her class was mainly focusing on, like, your thoughts are powerful. It's just focusing on your thoughts.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Emma]

And like you. I mean, cognitive thinking is just thinking, you know, just focused on your. The power of your thoughts.

[Glenn Beck]

I've said this a million times. And so anybody who's listened to me before and I've said this, I apologize. But my father used to say the two most powerful words in any language is I am God. Says who? Moses, who sent me, I am that I am. And he said what? You follow those two words with that blank that will create you. It is the creative force of God. Be careful.

[Emma]

I agree wholeheartedly. And I will remember that because at the end of the story, I going to tell you my agreement story that ties it in with what you just said.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay.

[Emma]

This is my unmedicated ADHD that has to physically put a pin on it. But I went to that class and she starts thinking, talking about how our thoughts make us feel a certain way. And when we feel a certain way, we act a certain way. And when we act a certain way, we define ourselves a certain way. And when we define ourselves as something, we think a certain way. And it's just this cycle that keeps going and. And I was like, okay, this isn't so revolutionary. But she was like, so write in your notebook, what's a thought that you have, good or bad, that makes you feel a certain way? And so right away I go, I'm ugly. And I'm like, it makes me feel ugly. And she's like, then it's gonna make you act like you're ugly. Like you turn away from the mirror, you don't let people talk to you, you don't go out. And then you're gonna define yourself as that. And you're just gonna keep on thinking that. And I was like, yeah. And so she goes, this is what it changed. Truly. I know it's not as easy for some people, but for me, it was nine day. It was a switch. She goes, emma, thoughts are just thoughts. They're never true unless they're a fact. Facts are true, but thoughts, they're made up. They are our thoughts that we make up. And you are the one that decides what your truth is.

[Glenn Beck]

Fabulous.

[Emma]

I was like, well, no, that's not true. Because I could look at a tree and say, that's a tree, and that's a true thought. And she goes, no, that's a fact. You're looking at a tree, and that's a fact. And I kind of, you know, I got vulnerable a little bit in that class. And I just told everybody what I was struggling with because again, for, you know, my struggles, I've also been very authentic. And I was. I knew, like, this is not a. This is not something that I created. I know other people struggle with this. So I thought, okay, okay, well, I'll just talk about it. And she goes, all right, well, we're gonna. We're gonna talk about it. So your thought is that you're ugly and you feel this way? She goes, but what if you thought a different thought? Like, what if you thought you were the most beautiful person in the world? How would you feel? And I was like, well, I'd probably feel pretty great. And she was like, okay, and how would you act? I was like, I'd probably go out more. I'd probably talk to people. I'd probably smile more. And she's like. And you would identify yourself as a beautiful person. She goes, so if you're making up that you're ugly and you're making up that you're beautiful, choose the one that moves you forward, then hinders you. And I was like, this is like.

[Glenn Beck]

This is not of. This is the best gym encounter of all time.

[Emma]

I know. I was seriously, spiritually swole after that. I was like, what? And I just was like, it almost felt illegal how easy that was. I was like, you're. That's it. And she was like, that's it.

[Glenn Beck]

Change your thinking, change your life.

[Emma]

We almost don't give ourselves permission to let. Because we were, I think, so conscious of, like I was in the beginning of not wanting to come off as self important. I didn't want to be like, I'm beautiful. I'm the greatest. I'm wonderful. But it's like there's that. There's a fine line between being prideful and you're having your ego be through the roof and just believing in yourself and telling yourself, I can do hard things, Things I can. I'm going to get over this. And this is going to be wonderful. The sun is going to come up tomorrow. I'll be stronger than before. And I realized I've been writing all this stuff the whole time. I just didn't apply it to myself. And somebody said, I saw this one time that if. If someone were to ask you to list all of the things that you love, how long would it take until you said yourself? And I was like, oh, my gosh, it would probably take a minute.

[Glenn Beck]

I was thinking it would take a day.

[Emma]

Yeah, I'm. Well, I don't know. I would probably start with cheese, get towards other foods. I would prioritize food. But, yeah, no, I. And so to unpin. The thought that I had pinned earlier was I wanted to test something out because people, you know, they've done, like, if you've ever heard those, like, they put two apples in, one in each room, and one they speak mean to, and one they encourage. It kind of feels silly, but, like, the theory was that the one that you spoke bad to would shrivel up and die quicker than the other one. And just, like, talking about how words are powerful. And so I was like, okay, I'm gonna go on these walks or these runs. And I did cross country in high school. And so my breath, like, I kind of had a specific breathing that with my legs, I would go in, in, out, out. And, like, that was kind of my rhythm. And when I was like, okay, I'm gonna run and I'm gonna go. I am on the inhale. And then just say something, and then I'm gonna do that for 10 minutes straight. One, it was to help me focus. And two, I was like, what's gonna happen? Am I gonna bloom? Am I gonna blossom? And it was.

[Glenn Beck]

Kind of changed your life, didn't it?

[Emma]

Yeah. I'm still in the middle of the experiment, but I truly, like, it is something wonderful to just go through and just go, you're running, running around town, and you can say the same thing over and over. Just, I am. Am wonderful. I am beautiful. I am lovely. I'm a kind person. I. You know, and you just. And you keep on telling yourself, and eventually you start to feel it, because.

[Glenn Beck]

We tell ourself the opposite. It is human nature to tell yourself, oh, that was so stupid. I'm so stupid. I made this, you know, always that tape is running.

[Emma]

Problem solving. We think that our brain attaches to the negativity. So because it's a survival mechanism, it's like, if I learn the negative, negative thing, then I won't do that again. So a lot of times we provide negativity for ourselves because our brain latches onto it because it thinks we're problem solving. It thinks we're in survival mode. And it's like, but if you tell yourself you're ugly, then you'll avoid all of these things. But it's like, whatever. If I tell myself I'm beautiful, then I'll live a great life. And, like, I seems, you know, like you don't want to just tell a depressed person, well, just be happy. But for me, it was that easy. To just be like, well, just think nice thoughts. And I was like, oh, my gosh, it was that easy all along. And I actually have a song that I wrote that is totally about this. And I didn't.

[Glenn Beck]

Am I worthy?

[Emma]

No, it's. It's. Well, there's that. Actually, a lot of my songs have the same theme, but they're just set in different ways. They're different hues. But this is a new song off the new album.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

Oh, okay.

[Emma]

And it's. It was just. I. You know, I was thinking about that. I'm probably always subconsciously thinking about this. That, you know, God created all these beautiful things. We look at the mountains. I mean, you know, here in Utah or in Idaho, these mountains, the beautiful landscape. You're like, this is lovely. This is beautiful. Like. But then that same notion of. But how long does it take before we look at ourselves and go, love it. I love it. It's beautiful. So that was what this song is. This song is about. And there's not much more to say but it's called Lovin'.

[Lead Vocalist]

Look at the moon and the stars and the sun each shining so bright yeah, that's how I got made Then now look at yourself shining and tell me why it's not too long. Love is sure come easy but like most things it's easier said than done but like most things you get into a rhythm so let's be kind and let's smile at ourselves we know we aren't perfect that'll take a while.

[Podcast Announcer/Host]

So.

[Lead Vocalist]

Let'S start loving Loving, loving, loving Everything God gave us let's be loving, loving.

[Backup Vocalist]

Loving, loving loving Everything God gave us let's be loving why does it take a lifetime to look at ourselves and be satisfied Even then most of us are sad and tired we gotta pick ourselves up and realize so let's be kind and let's smile at ourselves we know we are perfect that'll take a while so let's start loving Loving, loving, loving Everything I give us has been loving, loving, loving, loving, loving Everything I give us has been loving oh, look at yourself lovely Everybody else we're so lovely all right look at yourself we lovely or everybody else we are look at yourself lovely Everybody else wish to love me and look at yourself we are lovely Everybody else we are lovely and look at the moon and the stars and the sun it's shining so bright yeah, that's how God made them and look at yourself shining and tell me what's not to love so let's be kind and let's Smile at ourselves we know we all forget it take a while so let's start loving Loving, loving loving Everything all give us us be loving Loving, loving loving, loving Everything will give us let's be loving wow.

[Glenn Beck]

When you started writing this new album.

[Emma]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you have a moment of like, can I do this again?

[Emma]

No, because it was all written at the same time.

[Glenn Beck]

So you haven't run out of songs that you started to write back then?

[Emma]

No, this was all. I have not written a Christian song except for Am I Enough Love like youe and Angels, I think, are the only ones that I've written in the. In the last two years.

[Backup Vocalist]

Wow.

[Emma]

Yeah. Everything was written then. And when I was putting together my first album with the label, I had to pick and choose. And so part of me felt like, oh, this is the scraps. Because in my mind, I was just gonna do one Christian album and then I was gonna move on to, you know, stuff like Til that Day and the other stuff that I had.

[Glenn Beck]

But I hope you never don't stop mixing them.

[Emma]

I know, but the thing is, is, like, it's just inspiration, so I can't make myself sit down and be like, I'm.

[Glenn Beck]

No, I know that. I know that. But I hope you don't ever listen to somebody who says, no, that's gotta go on a Christian album. Mix them.

[Emma]

I know. And I think it will always continue to, like, music is changing. You don't have to have, like, with what we're talking about bouquet. It doesn't have to be one thing. And so I'm like, I can write a Christian song and stick it in a pop or R and B album, so. And I just think people like to put me in boxes, for better or for worse, of like, oh, you're this type of person, this type of singer, so this is what you'll be. And I'm just like, I. Not to mention Taylor Swift again, but like. Like, Taylor Swift have my eras. So, like, right now it's gonna be probably more on the nose Christian. And then I'll write others. I mean, I've written. I have like two other albums that are just like locked and loaded, but timing and so it's just like, it will. I don't know, Like, I want to do so many things. I want to write scores for Broadway. I want to do these types of things. I want to be. I want to be Adele in 007 and do the end credit. I want. You know, it's like, I have lots of visions and it's not just going to be the one thing. And it never started as one thing, but. And that's the other thing too, is I don't know that people realize that. Like, this isn't me being sure and saying, you need to believe the same as me. This was me coming from a place when I didn't really know if I believed in God or what I believed in and having lots of questions like, I just have to have faith because it's the only thing that I have. I don't have any knowledge and. Or am I enough? I don't know, but I sure hope so. And I've prayed that prayer a thousand times, and I keep on getting amazing.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you play a little of. Yeah, Am I Enough?

[Emma]

I'll play the first half of that.

[Lead Vocalist]

The Am I enough Enough for you? Lord, am I enough? With all the things I don't do? Lord, am I in love? Am I worth loving him?

[Emma]

It's not.

[Lead Vocalist]

I don't trust you're ever loving. But some say. Some say we might not make it into heaven. And what if it's me? Am I forgiven?

[Emma]

In.

[Backup Vocalist]

Open my eyes to amazing grace how.

[Lead Vocalist]

Sweet the sound to hear you say you are enough and you always have been so don't lose your faith.

[Backup Vocalist]

For.

[Lead Vocalist]

You are mine.

[Glenn Beck]

So beautiful.

[Emma]

Thank you.

[Glenn Beck]

How many people need to hear that?

[Emma]

Yeah. That's the only thing that I'm sure of. Honestly, like, my. My life is full of, you know, kind of. I mentioned just. Just reconstruction all the time. The more people I meet, the more I reconstruct because it's. It. It allows me to build more walls of love.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Emma]

You know, like, not walls between us, but it allows me to knock down and rebuild of, like, oh, I understand that better now. Let me love more. And that's kind of, for me, the only thing I'm sure of with my music is like, I don't know. I don't know where I stand on a. Of lot. I don't know, like, all the ins and the outs. And if you want to get into the semantics and all the theology. But what I. The thing I do cling to as my belief bordering on knowledge is like, love is the most important thing. If we can't love people, then there's probably some walls up and we don't.

[Glenn Beck]

Have to like each other.

[Emma]

Yeah, we should love each other. But there are some people. There are some people that I think won't be your cup of tea. And that's okay. I've also learned, like. And I'm not gonna ever write songs about, like, you don't have to like them, just go on. Cause I feel like it's implied, you know, but what's not implied is, like, the people you hate, you should love. Like, it's just. And yeah, I don't know, I just. I find so much more peace in promoting a more broad love and let people get to dissect that for themselves. Because I'm like, yeah, this resonates with me. No matter where I'm at on my journey, I resonate with love and compassion.

[Glenn Beck]

Can I ask you to do one more song and tell me the story of Angel? I believe in angels.

[Emma]

This is one of my favorite stories. And this is about not knowing your direction impact on people. But I sometimes get the privilege of hearing exactly what that meant. I was doing. I was singing at a devotional and they had a speaker before me, and she's now my good friend Heather Van Borram, and she is a double amputee. A couple years ago, before Christmas, she was walking out of a Costco parking lot and got. Got hit by a car that was coming out and pinned her between two cars and she lost her legs. And when she talks about this story, she just talks about all of the miracles. She's such a good sport, and she has so much hope and love and just wonder looking back and being like, wow, how wonderful that was. She was on the phone with her husband when the accident happened, and he was a surgeon at the hospital that shared the parking lot with the car, Costco. And so he heard it and was able to be there almost, you know, within minutes. And then there was also people that. There was someone who was able to turn the. Or tie the tourniquets on her legs, therefore saving her life. Even though, you know, her husband was there as soon as he could be. You know, when you lose your legs, you're in danger there. And then other people, like just a woman who sat there and held her hand. And I'm like, that is so traumatic to. To be with somebody who has just lost their legs and to be able to be calm and sit with them and hold their hand. And like, that's just gotta be a wave of just power of just like, just sit there with that person, you know, and just other experiences in her recovery. And just that whole. The whole journey was just filled with, I think, miracles for her and angels and people that she could. Could, you know, feel compassion for even the person that hit her. And I just love that story and I feel it deeply because it's just like, so powerful and we talk about it all the time. We'll go get our nails done, and I'll just ask her questions. And what about this one time? I was like, okay, I had missed church, and I was like. I was thinking about her story, and I was like, well, instead of church, I will listen to her story on the podcast that she had done and telling it. So I'm listening to it and just, you know, we've talked about. It's inspiration. I just go. And I walk over to the piano, unbeknownst to me sometimes, and I'm listening to this podcast. I press pause, and you want to know what's funny? It was about the same guy that I wrote till that day about. I was kind of like, I had written so many songs, and I was like, all right, I just need to wrap this up. Wrap up this chapter. And so I was trying to write a song about that and wrap it up. And I was using this chord progression, and it just wasn't working. And, you know, I feel like, me. Me and Jesus, we got a good relationship. We're kind of sassy. And Jesus was like, no, stop. Get up. Move. That's not. Whatever. Put a pin in it. You know, he speaks my language. Put a pin in.

[Backup Vocalist]

In it.

[Emma]

And I was like, okay. So the next day, I'm listening to this podcast. I pause it, I go over, and.

[Lead Vocalist]

I go, angels, angels, angels, angels.

[Emma]

And he was like, yeah, that's what that was supposed to be for. You just were trying to rush it. And I was like, oh. And I. I. Then I write this song, and I send it to her, and I was like, angels are a big part of my life. I have a grandpa that passed away in 2015. I feel very close to him, more so now as he, you know, I lived in Sweden for a while, and he. His ashes, we took them back to Sweden, and I was able to be there on his birthday, death day, and speak Swedish to him for the first time since I had learned it. And I just feel very close to angels and even the ones that are alive. And so I sent us to her, and I was like, I just love angels, and I love you. You're my angel. And this is. This inspired listening to your story. And I sent it to her, and she sent back. She was like, emma, this is crazy. I am at my neighbor's house, and her son had passed away the day before from suicide. And she was like, you would never have known that, you know? And like. But that was a. And I was like, I. That's where I have to chalk it up to there's something bigger than me that goes on in this process because, you know, it was inspired of one thing, but it meant something completely different. So that's quite. You know, I love telling that story to people because it's so moving and powerful to me that we joke, you know, my age. Oh, it's not that deep. Everyone says, oh, it's not that deep. But sometimes it is, you know, and it can be. But. So this is Angels.

[Lead Vocalist]

Angels there for the other weary angels rescuing holding on to Angels with glory, light and grace Angels their arms open wide oh, the angels singing out I can hear the angels with glory, light and grace.

[Emma]

Oh.

[Lead Vocalist]

I believe and what I cannot see. Oh, but I can feel them oh holding my head up to the clouds When I'm turned around and I can feel them move holding my hand showing me the love I can feel myself.

[Backup Vocalist]

Yes, I believe in angels I believe I, I, I.

[Lead Vocalist]

I Angels therefore the other weary angels rescuing holding on to Angels with glory, light and grace Angels there for the other weary angels Laugh with me from time to time when pain swells and I'm trying to hold on Yes, I believe in what I cannot see. Oh, but I can feel them all holding my head up to the clouds When I'm turned around and I can feel them, oh holding my hand showing me the love I can see myself Yes, I believe in angels angels, angels, angels. Oh, but I can feel them, oh holding my head up to the clouds When I'm turned around and I can feel them all oh, holding my hand showing me the love I can see myself Yes, I believe in angels.

[Glenn Beck]

I heard that song. And that's when I reached out to you and asked you to be on. Because I told you at the beginning, she's Adele, you know, she's Ella Fitzgerald, she's Billie Eilish. And when I heard this song, I thought, oh, no, she's eminiscing. Someday you will be a category that somebody will say, oh, so she's like, eminiscin'.

[Emma]

Well, thank you.

[Glenn Beck]

You are really wonderful. I wish you would come over to everybody's house and do this. It has been a delight to have you here.

[Emma]

People just have to ask, and I'll do it. It's as easy as that. Now, I love. This is one of my favorite things, is connecting with people. So it's been a treat for me to just. Just listen and learn and open my heart to more love and talk about things that make me love. And I. Yeah, I really appreciate you creating a place for that. Because it's the best things that people get to do. So thanks.

[Glenn Beck]

Thanks, Emma.

[Emma]

Yeah. This. So just as like a this. Cause I feel like this sums up a lot of how I feel currently. And it's what I wish people knew about me. And I think people can also relate to this that sometimes we don't know. And as a Christian artist gets lobbed into the Christian genre, people kind of assume like, oh, you're Christian, you know, you have your values and you know them and you promote them. And so people sometimes get upset that I'm too broad or that I don't say things straight.

[Glenn Beck]

You're 25.

[Emma]

One day. One day over 25. And I just. I'm like, I don't have it all figured out. And I am okay. Like, I'm not terrified of that. I think the first time I kind of deconstructed my faith and had to figure out, okay, what is it that I believe? And I thought it was just gonna happen once. But you know, life is not just one. Yeah. So I just. I was like, oh. So I thought it was really scary because I was like, oh my gosh, if I don't believe this, then I can't do this and I can't, you know. But then I realized I was like, oh, so much life to live, laugh, to laugh and love to love in the midst of all of that. And so I was like, I, you know, maybe don't know everything and can't say to people what they should do. I don't even think that that's my position in life. But I was like, for me, I'm not scared that I don't know. And until I get to that place, I just need somebody to hold on to me, you know, whether that's God or whether that's the people I have around me. Just hold on until I can rely on my own heart. And sometimes it's a collaboration. So this is truly one of my favorite songs. And this is another one on the album that.

[Backup Vocalist]

The new album.

[Emma]

The new album. And this is a new one that I wrote because I think it just came at the pinnacle of hurt when people wanted me to be something that I wasn't. And I was like, I just, just, we gotta hold on, hold on. And it's gonna be fine, everybody. Cause I'm not stressed. So why are you stressed? And it's just very raw. Cuz it talks about me thinking that I'm gonna, you know, end up somewhere else. But actually maybe it's all right.

[Lead Vocalist]

So hold on till all of my fear's gone Till I can rely on my own heart to brace me Dear Lord, I hold on to the sinner who's too far gone to the ones.

[Backup Vocalist]

Who never dreamed of heaven Dear Lord.

[Lead Vocalist]

Hold on Thought I knew what to do Thought I cruised through life and ended up with the sinners Thought it all wasn't touchable yet he was just for the winners not until the dregs did I feel the dread of coping without you guys.

[Backup Vocalist]

I don't want to live another day feeling that same way so hear me pray.

[Lead Vocalist]

Hold on till all of my fears gone Till I can rely on my own heart to brace me Dear Lord, hold on to the Santa rooster too far gone to the ones who never.

[Backup Vocalist]

Dreamed of heaven Dear Lord, hold on.

[Lead Vocalist]

Thought I figured out what it's all about yeah it was coming together. Then a little creeping doubt starts to.

[Backup Vocalist]

Spread Suddenly I'm a beginner.

[Emma]

Now I.

[Lead Vocalist]

Know it's just an ebb and flow and I don't need to let it.

[Backup Vocalist]

All go just to find you guys I don't want to live another day Feeling massive ways oh we'll be brave.

[Lead Vocalist]

And I know I'm imperfect at the end of the day but that's what has me holding on to everything that.

[Backup Vocalist]

You say Cause I believe you love.

[Lead Vocalist]

Me that's exactly why I pray to.

[Backup Vocalist]

Feel your grace on the heaven days oh hold on till all of my fears gone Till I can rely on my own heart to brace me oh Lord, I hold on to the sinner who's too good for God to the ones who never dreamed of ever Dear Lord, hold on.

[Lead Vocalist]

To the sinners too good for.

[Glenn Beck]

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