The Glenn Beck Program

Episode: Glenn Reacts to Hecklers at His TPUSA Campus Speech
Guests: Frances Stout & Paul List
Date: October 10, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Glenn Beck offers an unsparing and emotional review of his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) campus appearance in North Dakota, focusing on student hecklers and the rise of antisemitism. Beck weaves personal stories, reflections on American culture and values, a discussion of Israel and Western civilization, and faith. Notable segments include in-depth conversations about youth activism, a high-profile culture war incident involving girls’ sports, and an interview with Paul List, who unpacks the hidden warnings about modern technology in Tolkien’s works.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. TPUSA Campus Speech, Hecklers & Rising Antisemitism

• Glenn’s Experience at TPUSA (03:09, 21:16, 25:07):
  Glenn describes a packed TPUSA event (2,500+ students), expressing hope in youth engagement, but shares deep concern over hostile audience questions revealing conspiratorial antisemitism.

  “When you talk about Israel, that’s one thing. When you talk about ‘the Jews’...that’s where the trouble really lies... ‘Where’s your proof Hamas did any of those things October 7th? That’s a Jewish conspiracy.’ We’re in trouble as a movement if it’s coming from our side—and it is.” — Glenn Beck (21:53)

• Warning About Cultural and Moral Collapse (10:17 – 21:16):
  Beck’s monologue warns of moral dangers from rising antisemitism, likening denial and justification for Hamas atrocities to the “hatred of the 1930s,” and calling it the “greatest danger that we have.”

  “If we can’t call evil by its name and say, ‘That doesn’t happen—never again,’ the question is not ‘Will Israel survive?’ but ‘Will we survive?’” — Glenn Beck (19:32)

• Separating Critique of Israel from Antisemitism (08:34):
  Beck and Christopher Rufo’s commentary affirm it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel’s government or policies, urging supporters to ground arguments in American national interests—not theology or shame.

2. Faith, America, and the Order of Loyalties

• Beck’s Loyalty Hierarchy (09:40):
  God first, then America. Israel’s security matters as part of Western civilization, but American blood/money should not be spent on foreign wars without clear interest.

  “No loyalty to the government of Israel...My first citizenship is to the Kingdom of Christ. My second is America. Israel is in the pile of everything else.” — Glenn Beck (10:10)

3. Generational Renewal & Lessons for Youth

• Hope in the Next Generation (31:37 – 38:00):
  Glenn praises the young audience for their alertness and commitment. He compares doubts about Gen Z to what was said of the “Greatest Generation,” asserting young conservatives today are prepared to inherit and repair the country, provided they’re taught principles—not just answers.

  “It’s normal for us to say these things...But those 20-somethings were the Greatest Generation. Every time I’m with these kids, I realize they see the problems. They may not know how to fix it yet, but that’s our job—to teach them principles.” — Glenn Beck (34:16)

4. Update on Campus Antifa Conflict – Rutgers’ Dr. Antifa

• Interview with Rutgers TPUSA (44:20 – 59:48): TPUSA students Megan Doyle and Ava Kwan explain their peaceful campaign to hold a radical professor (Mark Bray, “Dr. Antifa”) accountable for advocating political violence and supporting Antifa activities.
  • They describe doxing, threats, university inaction, and media misinformation, but stress their opposition to violence and calls to keep efforts peaceful and principled.

  “Language today is used far too carelessly. When we’re labeled as Hitler or fascist, it’s not just an insult—it implies someone’s existence is evil. That kind of rhetoric is so dangerous...it led to Charlie Kirk’s assassination and now is being used against us.” — Ava Kwan (57:14)

5. Student Athlete Frances Stout: Girls’ Sports, Safety & Courage

• Interview with Frances Stout (66:41 – 79:38): Frances, 16, recounts her principled refusal to play girls’ basketball against a biological male, the administrative and peer backlash, and the civil rights complaint being pursued on her behalf.
  • She voices the emotional impact, ostracism, and loss of friends, but remains steadfast in her belief in fairness and women’s safety.

  “I refuse now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport. It’s obvious...there’s a clear biological difference.” — Frances Stout (66:44)

  • Beck praises her bravery, likening her resolve to figures historically remembered for moral courage.

6. Paul List on Tolkien, Technology & Warnings for Modernity

• Paul List Interview (85:53 – 122:22): List explains the thesis of his book Mount Doom: that Tolkien constructed his mythology as a warning about modern technology, AI, the digitization of reality, and the risks of abandoning traditional values.
  • Hidden Meanings:
    • Hobbits = habits/virtues
    • The Ring = binary code (digital tech)
    • Sauron = artificial intelligence
    • Elves = faith; Men = reason; Reunion of faith and reason is “the healing of Christendom.”
    • Shelob’s lair = pornography
    • Mordor = the reptilian (“criminal”) brain; The Tower of Barad-dûr = the microchip
    • Tom Bombadil & Goldberry = free will and rational intellect

  “He saw this coming. With the reunion of faith and reason comes the rebirth of the White Tree. When we can transcend the material realm, we get out of the realm of the machine—otherwise, we become food for the machine...We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity.” — Paul List (119:32)

  • Tolkien’s Real-World Links:
    List claims Tolkien and Turing were acquainted during codebreaking days; Tolkien declined further government cryptography work, seeing the risks of statistical “machine” thinking overtaking language and humanity.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anti-Jewish Conspiracy Theories (21:53):

  “Where’s your proof Hamas did any of those things on October 7th? That’s a Jewish conspiracy. We’re in trouble as a movement if it’s coming from our side—and it is.” — Glenn Beck

• On Calling Good and Evil (19:32):

  “It’s about having the courage to call evil by its name...If we don’t have the courage to make the case...then the question is not will Israel survive, but will we survive?” — Glenn Beck

• On Student Courage (75:26):

  “You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances. You are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like. You should know your rights, your responsibilities, why you believe what you do. You give me a lot of hope.” — Glenn Beck

• On Rhetoric, Doxxing & Violence (57:14):

  “Our words have immense power...calling someone fascist, you’re implying their existence is evil...that led to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. We wanted peaceful change—no threats.” — Ava Kwan

• Paul List on Tolkien’s Message (119:32):

  “The machine is devouring millions, I’d say billions of souls at this point. We have to pull away, destroy the machine, and return to our humanity. Where we put our attention is where we put our souls.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:09, 21:16, 25:07 – Glenn’s recap of the TPUSA speech, hecklers, and hope in the younger generation
• 10:17 – 21:16 – Monologue: Antisemitism, Western civilization, right vs. wrong, America’s role
• 44:20 – 59:48 – Interview: Megan Doyle & Ava Kwan (Rutgers TPUSA), “Dr. Antifa”, campus activism and threats
• 66:41 – 79:38 – Interview: Frances Stout, girls’ sports, trans athletes, civil rights, student bravery
• 85:53 – 122:22 – Interview: Paul List on Tolkien, hidden messages, AI, transhumanism, and saving Western civilization

Tone & Style

Glenn Beck’s tone is heartfelt, urgent, and mentorly—mixing warning, encouragement, and faith; honest about cultural dangers, but unwavering in his hope for the next generation. Guest exchanges are earnest and sometimes emotional, particularly Frances Stout’s and the Rutgers activists’. The episode is shot through with Beck’s characteristic blend of personal storytelling, American-values argument, and a touch of wit.

Conclusion

This episode blends sobering reflections on rising ideological extremism with stories of courage and hope drawn from the next generation. Glenn Beck encourages vigilance, discernment between healthy dissent and destructive hatred, and a return to principled living rooted in faith and reason. The Tolkien segment offers a unique lens for listeners to consider the deeper meaning—and warnings—embedded in Western mythology for the digital age.

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