Glenn Reacts to Hecklers at His TPUSA Campus Speech | Guests: Frances Staudt & Paul List | 10/10/25

Summary

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The Glenn Beck Program

Episode: Glenn Reacts to Hecklers at His TPUSA Campus Speech
Guests: Frances Stout & Paul List
Date: October 10, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, Glenn Beck offers an unsparing and emotional review of his Turning Point USA (TPUSA) campus appearance in North Dakota, focusing on student hecklers and the rise of antisemitism. Beck weaves personal stories, reflections on American culture and values, a discussion of Israel and Western civilization, and faith. Notable segments include in-depth conversations about youth activism, a high-profile culture war incident involving girls’ sports, and an interview with Paul List, who unpacks the hidden warnings about modern technology in Tolkien’s works.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. TPUSA Campus Speech, Hecklers & Rising Antisemitism

• Glenn’s Experience at TPUSA (03:09, 21:16, 25:07):
  Glenn describes a packed TPUSA event (2,500+ students), expressing hope in youth engagement, but shares deep concern over hostile audience questions revealing conspiratorial antisemitism.

  “When you talk about Israel, that’s one thing. When you talk about ‘the Jews’...that’s where the trouble really lies... ‘Where’s your proof Hamas did any of those things October 7th? That’s a Jewish conspiracy.’ We’re in trouble as a movement if it’s coming from our side—and it is.” — Glenn Beck (21:53)

• Warning About Cultural and Moral Collapse (10:17 – 21:16):
  Beck’s monologue warns of moral dangers from rising antisemitism, likening denial and justification for Hamas atrocities to the “hatred of the 1930s,” and calling it the “greatest danger that we have.”

  “If we can’t call evil by its name and say, ‘That doesn’t happen—never again,’ the question is not ‘Will Israel survive?’ but ‘Will we survive?’” — Glenn Beck (19:32)

• Separating Critique of Israel from Antisemitism (08:34):
  Beck and Christopher Rufo’s commentary affirm it’s not antisemitic to criticize Israel’s government or policies, urging supporters to ground arguments in American national interests—not theology or shame.

2. Faith, America, and the Order of Loyalties

• Beck’s Loyalty Hierarchy (09:40):
  God first, then America. Israel’s security matters as part of Western civilization, but American blood/money should not be spent on foreign wars without clear interest.

  “No loyalty to the government of Israel...My first citizenship is to the Kingdom of Christ. My second is America. Israel is in the pile of everything else.” — Glenn Beck (10:10)

3. Generational Renewal & Lessons for Youth

• Hope in the Next Generation (31:37 – 38:00):
  Glenn praises the young audience for their alertness and commitment. He compares doubts about Gen Z to what was said of the “Greatest Generation,” asserting young conservatives today are prepared to inherit and repair the country, provided they’re taught principles—not just answers.

  “It’s normal for us to say these things...But those 20-somethings were the Greatest Generation. Every time I’m with these kids, I realize they see the problems. They may not know how to fix it yet, but that’s our job—to teach them principles.” — Glenn Beck (34:16)

4. Update on Campus Antifa Conflict – Rutgers’ Dr. Antifa

• Interview with Rutgers TPUSA (44:20 – 59:48): TPUSA students Megan Doyle and Ava Kwan explain their peaceful campaign to hold a radical professor (Mark Bray, “Dr. Antifa”) accountable for advocating political violence and supporting Antifa activities.
  • They describe doxing, threats, university inaction, and media misinformation, but stress their opposition to violence and calls to keep efforts peaceful and principled.

  “Language today is used far too carelessly. When we’re labeled as Hitler or fascist, it’s not just an insult—it implies someone’s existence is evil. That kind of rhetoric is so dangerous...it led to Charlie Kirk’s assassination and now is being used against us.” — Ava Kwan (57:14)

5. Student Athlete Frances Stout: Girls’ Sports, Safety & Courage

• Interview with Frances Stout (66:41 – 79:38): Frances, 16, recounts her principled refusal to play girls’ basketball against a biological male, the administrative and peer backlash, and the civil rights complaint being pursued on her behalf.
  • She voices the emotional impact, ostracism, and loss of friends, but remains steadfast in her belief in fairness and women’s safety.

  “I refuse now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport. It’s obvious...there’s a clear biological difference.” — Frances Stout (66:44)

  • Beck praises her bravery, likening her resolve to figures historically remembered for moral courage.

6. Paul List on Tolkien, Technology & Warnings for Modernity

• Paul List Interview (85:53 – 122:22): List explains the thesis of his book Mount Doom: that Tolkien constructed his mythology as a warning about modern technology, AI, the digitization of reality, and the risks of abandoning traditional values.
  • Hidden Meanings:
    • Hobbits = habits/virtues
    • The Ring = binary code (digital tech)
    • Sauron = artificial intelligence
    • Elves = faith; Men = reason; Reunion of faith and reason is “the healing of Christendom.”
    • Shelob’s lair = pornography
    • Mordor = the reptilian (“criminal”) brain; The Tower of Barad-dûr = the microchip
    • Tom Bombadil & Goldberry = free will and rational intellect

  “He saw this coming. With the reunion of faith and reason comes the rebirth of the White Tree. When we can transcend the material realm, we get out of the realm of the machine—otherwise, we become food for the machine...We have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity.” — Paul List (119:32)

  • Tolkien’s Real-World Links:
    List claims Tolkien and Turing were acquainted during codebreaking days; Tolkien declined further government cryptography work, seeing the risks of statistical “machine” thinking overtaking language and humanity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Anti-Jewish Conspiracy Theories (21:53):

  “Where’s your proof Hamas did any of those things on October 7th? That’s a Jewish conspiracy. We’re in trouble as a movement if it’s coming from our side—and it is.” — Glenn Beck

• On Calling Good and Evil (19:32):

  “It’s about having the courage to call evil by its name...If we don’t have the courage to make the case...then the question is not will Israel survive, but will we survive?” — Glenn Beck

• On Student Courage (75:26):

  “You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances. You are a great example of what 16-year-olds should be like. You should know your rights, your responsibilities, why you believe what you do. You give me a lot of hope.” — Glenn Beck

• On Rhetoric, Doxxing & Violence (57:14):

  “Our words have immense power...calling someone fascist, you’re implying their existence is evil...that led to Charlie Kirk’s assassination. We wanted peaceful change—no threats.” — Ava Kwan

• Paul List on Tolkien’s Message (119:32):

  “The machine is devouring millions, I’d say billions of souls at this point. We have to pull away, destroy the machine, and return to our humanity. Where we put our attention is where we put our souls.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:09, 21:16, 25:07 – Glenn’s recap of the TPUSA speech, hecklers, and hope in the younger generation
• 10:17 – 21:16 – Monologue: Antisemitism, Western civilization, right vs. wrong, America’s role
• 44:20 – 59:48 – Interview: Megan Doyle & Ava Kwan (Rutgers TPUSA), “Dr. Antifa”, campus activism and threats
• 66:41 – 79:38 – Interview: Frances Stout, girls’ sports, trans athletes, civil rights, student bravery
• 85:53 – 122:22 – Interview: Paul List on Tolkien, hidden messages, AI, transhumanism, and saving Western civilization

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Tone & Style

Glenn Beck’s tone is heartfelt, urgent, and mentorly—mixing warning, encouragement, and faith; honest about cultural dangers, but unwavering in his hope for the next generation. Guest exchanges are earnest and sometimes emotional, particularly Frances Stout’s and the Rutgers activists’. The episode is shot through with Beck’s characteristic blend of personal storytelling, American-values argument, and a touch of wit.

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Conclusion

This episode blends sobering reflections on rising ideological extremism with stories of courage and hope drawn from the next generation. Glenn Beck encourages vigilance, discernment between healthy dissent and destructive hatred, and a return to principled living rooted in faith and reason. The Tolkien segment offers a unique lens for listeners to consider the deeper meaning—and warnings—embedded in Western mythology for the digital age.

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Transcript

[Glenn Beck]

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[Paul List]

Down the road where shadows hide Feel the dark on every side Stand your ground when times get I gotta face the dog and embrace the fire the.

[Glenn Beck]

Fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program. Hello, America. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. I was in North Dakota last night and it was absolutely amazing. Tpusa and what Charlie started is Grown into something absolutely amazing. There were about 25, 500 students there last night. I had a blast. It was. They were so gracious and so kind and the audience was great. But there is inside of that a warning that I didn't realize until the last six minutes that I was on stage when I was taking questions that I want to talk to you about. So we'll, we'll go over that and something that Christopher Ruffo wrote the other day. The right way to fight anti Semitism. And I read it and I think a lot of people will think Glenn's going to be against this. Nope. I believe Christopher Ruffo was 100% right in what he wrote. And I want to share that with you in just a second. First, let me tell you about Jace medical. You know, you probably have a few items in your house that are just in case items, you know, things that you may never need but you want to have around when the time is right, when you actually need them. Most of them aren't even that important. They just make you feel better. But what about the things that actually matter when you're far from a pharmacy because you're on vacation? This happened to Stu. Somebody gets sick. It's the middle of the night. Fever is starting to spike in the kids and the pharmacies are closed. This is where the Jace case comes in. It is your medical just in case built by real doctors. You do a simple online consultation. Licensed physician prescribes a supply of antibiotics and emergency medications that are filled by a US Pharmacy. They're labeled, they're orange organized and they're ready when. When you need them. You even get access to follow up care if you have questions later. It's not about panic. It's about being the kind of person that thinks a few steps ahead just in case because crisis always happens when you're. You're not thinking about it. When you order your Jace case today, use the code BECK. That's B, E, C, K. Go to jace.com J-A-E.com for a discount. Jace.com promo code BECK. Hello, stuff, how are you?

[Stu]

That's a great question, Glenn. No idea. That's my new position on that question. I have no freaking idea.

[Glenn Beck]

So in other words, it's going to be exciting to see how it all works out.

[Stu]

It really will.

[Glenn Beck]

Really. It really is. Yeah.

[Stu]

Intense movie we're about to watch.

[Glenn Beck]

Got more intense last night. Got more intense last night. And I will share what I'm willing to share with you on the air today. But I want you to really hear me carefully. There is a grave, grave danger that is building and I want to talk to you about it. I saw it last night with my own eyes in a very small number. I want to make this really clear. Very small number of students. I saw it last night and I want to talk to you about it. But first, let me set it up with this. So Christopher Rufo wrote on the right, many supporters of Israel. I think that would be you and me. Many supporters of Israel, because I'm a supporter, including prominent Republican politicians, argue that America has a theological duty to support the Jewish state. Now I think personally for me, I feel that's true. But what does that mean exactly? I'll get into it in a minute. Their view is based on a complex interpretation of Bible prophecy. As a Catholic, I find it mystifying. As a political analysis, I find it unconvincing. Analysts, sorry, the other supporters would like to shut down critical analysis of the war altogether, equating criticism of Israel with antisemitism and suggesting those who question the wisdom of America's support should be unwelcome in polite society. Want you to know on the outset, absolutely wrong. Because you disagree with Israel does not make you an anti Semite. Doesn't it? Doesn't it makes you a thinking human being. Honestly, these moves might have been effective in the past, but not so much anymore. Instead of theological or shame based approaches, Friends of Israel must frame their arguments in terms of America's national interest. 100% right. 100% right. We need to understand our national interests. So hear me out on this. So you know, I have received the Defender of Israel award from Benjamin Netanyahu years ago. I was just named by the Jerusalem Jerusalem Post as the number one Christian supporter of Israel in America. So I'm kind of known as, I guess a Zionist. Okay? I believe that Israel has a right to exist and the Jewish people have a right to live. Somehow or another you get awards for saying that. But I want you to understand something. My support is not blind loyalty, nor is it anything that is makes me Israel first. Doesn't God first, America second? Israel is in the pile of everything else. Okay? My first citizenship is to the Kingdom of Christ. My second citizenship is to America. I will do nothing that will violate my citizenship, my passport to the Kingdom of God. And I certainly won't violate things for my first citizenship to save my second citizenship. But that's the rank of my citizenship. God first, America right behind it in the earthly sense. America first. Okay? No loyalty to the government of Israel. In fact, there's many things I don't like about the government of Israel. But you know what? I'm not a citizen. I don't vote and I'm not. I don't have to worry about their laws. When it comes to war, I want nothing to do with that foreign war, or quite honestly, almost any foreign war. I'm tired of paying for it. I'm tired of our blood being shed. I want nothing to do. That's not my support of Israel or the Jewish people. It. What is required when we talk about these things is Israel's. Israel's existence is not just about their national survival. It is about the survival of Western civilization itself. It is the only lone beacon in the Middle east that is standing against radical Islam. They're the only ones. They're the number one target of radical Islam. Now look at what's happening in the Middle east right now. Those countries that we used to think of as having real radical ties, now Saudi Arabia, they're actually saying, you know what, we can coexist. That's what's necessary coexistence in the Middle East. As long as we have a reason, as long as we believe we each have a reason to live and we have a right to live, we can solve any problem. We can solve any problem. They are facing Islamicist evil. And that evil is the same evil that wishes to dismantle our civilization and our country and it's happening in our own country. My support is not rooted in politics. It is rooted in something simpler and older than politics. A people's moral and historic right to their homeland and to their right to live in peace, that's it. And I would say that to anybody. If the Gazans wanted their own land and say, because this is a two state solution that's been offered to them over and over and over again. But it wasn't river to the sea, which is the definition of wipe out all of the Jews. No Jews in this land. Okay, you want to share? I'm totally fine with that, but I can't. I couldn't. We wouldn't put up with a neighbor who's constantly saying and trying to kill you. So when it comes to politics, I believe Israel has a right to defend herself against those who openly, repeatedly vow her destruction. But I'm not going to fight that. I don't agree with everything that Israel has done. But what difference does that make? Because I'm not asking for our dollars or our blood to be spent. I just say everybody has a Right to live. But let, let me make it personal. If, if somebody told me over and over and over and over again that they wanted to kill me and my entire family, that I didn't have a right to exist, that I was the source of all evil in the world, and then acted on that threat over and over again, do you believe I would have a right to defend myself? If I couldn't get anybody in the world to listen and stand with me and I had to do it all myself, would I have a right to take action in response to them? Remember, I believe, you know, nature's law gives us a lot of stuff. If, if I walk into a, a bear cave and mama and the cubs are in there, I think the bear has a right to maul me to death because it senses trouble. Now that's an animal. But if I go in and I'm hunting those cubs, mom does have a right to kill me. But that would, you know, that would assume that she had any kind of intellectual, humans have intellect. If Hamas were Canada and we were Israel and Hamas Canada did to us what Hamas did to Israel, answer this question honestly. Would there be a single building left standing north of our border today if they came and raped the same percentage killed, slaughtered, set our babies on fire, do you think that we wouldn't have crippled Canada right now and no matter what anybody said, you think we would stop until that threat stopped? That's not a question of morality, that's just the truth. All people, everybody has a God given right to protect themselves, period. And Israel is doing that in the way they feel it's right. You can argue with that and you can disagree vehemently with the way they're fighting the war. My support for Israel's right to finish the fight against Hamas comes after 80 years of rejected peace offering, two failed state solutions. Hamas has not hidden its, miss its mission. Hamas says it's the eradication of Israel. That's not a political disagreement. That's not a reasonable disagreement in my book. It's not a land dispute. That's, that's annihilists. That's, that's, that's people who, who, who are actually calling for genocide and proudly calling for wiping out of all the Jews. Okay. Do I believe that America should be in that fight? No. Do I believe it is in our national interest? Yes. To support the people who are standing up against what will be our possibly last foreign war. As Jefferson said, Islamists believe if you listen to what's being said in Dearborn, they are planning on Sharia law here in America, that is. That will wipe out everything of the west out. And they are moving in to our countries. I have no problem with Muslims. I have a big problem with Islamists. And there's a huge difference. What we saw on October 7 was the face of evil. Women and children slaughtered. And beyond that, even the Nazis tried to hide it. Okay, The Nazis, they knew the rest of the world would not approve. These people were proud of it. We've played the tapes for you. Babies burned alive, innocent people raped, dragged through the streets. And now we see people defending that evil in our own country. That is nothing short of a moral collapse. That is probably the greatest danger that we have, is this is this ideology that says, if I disagree with you, I can kill you. The. The confusion of I disagree with Israel, the way they're fighting a war. And so I'm going to say I support Hamas because the Jews are always wrong. The Jews are lying. And I don't believe any of those videotapes because it was probably Jewish propaganda. That's moral collapse. If the chants in the street were Hamas, give up the hostages. Don't ever do things like that again, and Israel, for the love of Pete, stopped the bombing, I'd be totally cool. Totally cool, because that's reasonable. But that's not what we hear. We hear open sympathy for genocidal hatred. That is a chasm that has opened up in our society. And it's not just a chasm opening up, you know, from decency, but from humanity itself. And that's where the danger lies. The same hatred that we saw in the 1930s that I predicted would happen again in about 2008, that we would see it on our streets. That hatred is taking root here in Dearborn, in Minnesota, in London, in Paris, and not as horror, but heroism. And if we're not vigilant, the enemy that Israel is currently facing today will be the enemy that the free world will face tomorrow. That's not about politics. That is truth. It's not. It's a. It's about having the courage to call evil by its name and say, that doesn't happen. Never again, not in the future, that doesn't happen. You don't have to open a Bible to believe or understand this. You don't. But if you do, if you're a believer, then the issue cuts much, much deeper. And I wrote an op ed on this, and I'll be publishing@glenn beck.com that goes deeper into that. But I don't expect you to believe the Bible or believe what I believe, I believe it's a very strong case, good versus evil here or right versus wrong, if that's the way you want to phrase it. And national interest, if you look at what the world is headed towards, this is not just about Israel's right to exist. This is about whether we still know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil, life and death, cults. It's about do we have the courage to stand for the principles that God outlined And that's not you're going to inherit the land or any of that crap. The principles of you can live. I believe you have a right because you, just like me, are a beloved child of God. That's what it is. And if we can't, if we don't have the courage to make the case. And, and, and, and we, we are trying to convince people just to blindly follow because God says God expects us to kick into reason. God expects us to think things through and God expects us to disagree. If we can't do those things, if we won't do those things, then the question is not will Israel survive? The question is will we survive? I want to tell you why I'm saying all this here in just a second. First, give me 60 seconds. Tell you about relief factor. Most people think inflammation is just something that happens. You twist an ankle, you cut your finger. But the truth is inflammation in your body happens deep inside your body, quiet, constantly working against you every single day. It's the source of most of our pain and it is the source of most of the disease in our body as well. You got to reduce the inflammation in your body. That same self defense system that we have to protect us causes the inflammation. Okay. And we need. It starts to wear down your joints, it stiffens your move, movement, everything else you need to be able to reduce that in a healthy way. 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[Paul List]

Wow.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. They were still awake. And like maybe five people got up and walked out. I mean, you know, it was probably because I was boring them to death. But anyway, they were fantastic. We got to the questions, and I don't want to overstate the support of these questions, but I want you to know it only takes one to change everything. My first question I got last night was from a very respectful kid who asked me about my religion. And he was very respectful and we had a great conversation about it. And, you know, you believe what you believe, I believe what I believe. Here's why. Let's just not divide ourselves. Everybody who's tried and trying to fight for good, look at the fruits of the, of the tree, and let's. God will settle all this stuff. He will. You know, if I'm not a Christian, and that's the only way I can get to heaven, which I believe, well, then you know what? I'm going to hell. And I'll be very well aware of that when I get there. But that's for God to judge, and I'm not going to judge you. So it was great. The next question and several questions after that were, well, one of them ended and the audience couldn't hear this, you know, clearly, because it was said by the person behind the person with the microphone. But it all was about the Jews. And when you talk about Israel, that's one thing. When you talk about the Jews, and again, don't think that you have to agree with Israel to, to not be anti Semitic. You can be vehemently against the war and how they're fighting and Benjamin Netanyahu and all the politics you want, and you're not an anti Semite. But when somebody says, like they did last night, who was lined up? Where's your proof that Hamas did any of those things on October 7th? That's a Jewish conspiracy. We're in trouble as a movement if it's coming from our side, and it is. This is Glenn Beck. We'll continue our conversation. And I want to play some of the things that I said last night coming up. First, let me tell you about Lee Filter. You know, your life has taken a strange turn. When neighbors start texting, you know, ladder safety tips to you. That's when you know it's really gotten bad. It starts innocent enough. You're out there once a year, twice a year, cleaning the gutters, feeling productive, and then somebody sees you wobble, and suddenly there's a group chat called Please don't die falling off the roof. One guy sending you YouTube tutorials. The other one's posting photos of his cousin's broken leg. Meanwhile, you're just trying to get the leaves out of the stupid gutters. Stu just went through this. I highly recommend that you stop doing that and you get Leaf filter. Don't spend the season worrying about your gutters. They put a stainless steel mesh on top of it. It's permanent. It keeps those gutters clean year round. Nothing gets through except for water. You don't need a near death experience to teach you this. It's just, it's common sense. Get 30% off your entire purchase now. Get free inspection. Just call leaffilter leafilter.com Glenn Beck Free estimate free inspection, 30% [e-mail] Glenn Beck.

[Stu]

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[Glenn Beck]

Welcome back to the Glenn Beck Program. We are so glad that you are here. Thank you so much for listening to the broadcast today. I just got back late, late, late last night from North Dakota. I wish you would have been there, Stu, with tpusa. It was amazing. They're awesome. They are.

[Stu]

I wish I was there too. I saw that you're retiring and so are you going to become a baker or are you going to be.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, somehow or another I announced that I was retiring.

[Stu]

I don't, I didn't know that.

[Glenn Beck]

But I didn't know that actually either, you know, seeing that I, you know, just signed an extension to my contracts. But yeah, that's, that came out all wrong.

[Stu]

So you're.

[Glenn Beck]

I was talking about Charlie and I was talking about how I was trying to teach. You've got to work for the things, finish what you start, get up every day and work and do the things you have to do to get. And I related it to when he was 16 years old. He said he wanted my job. He wanted to be like me, which translation he wanted to be like Rush Limbaugh. He wanted the network show and everything else. And, and what I was trying to say was, I was going to say to Charlie, either last night when we saw each other or when I saw him at AM Fest, Charlie, I told you, well, kid, maybe someday when he was 16 or 17 years old.

[Stu]

Gotta do the work.

[Glenn Beck]

You gotta do the work. And I watched him and he did the work. And I wanted to take that to the next step and say, good job. Good job. You deserve any way I can help you. I will mentor you when I retire in 10 years. I'm never gonna retire, but if I retire in 10 years. Here are the keys. Take it. You deserve it. You deserve it.

[Stu]

I mean, he's such a powerful person in the movement, and that is a. Something that you've talked about, I know, to me, even off the air, But.

[Glenn Beck]

I think, as well, and I think that I don't think he actually would have. I would have also said to him, you're stupid, because you are. You are everywhere, doing everything. Yeah. Why? You know, Rush used to talk about this. I make my impact here. Charlie was making his impact everywhere. Yeah. In politics, in Washington. You know what I mean? But that's what I was trying to say. So. Didn't reintroduce my retirement at all.

[Stu]

So excited. I was like, oh, my gosh, he's going away. And then you're like, yeah, no, yeah, sorry, sorry.

[Glenn Beck]

Not gonna do that.

[Stu]

Unfortunately.

[Glenn Beck]

Here, let me give you a couple of things that I shared at tpusa yesterday. I tried to, you know, as I was flying up, I thought, I want to share, like, some lessons that I've learned that are important. Cut. One. You promise me, if I live my life the way you tell me to live my life, if I'm always doing what you ask me to do, you will take this from me. This is about redemption. I don't know why they cut the ones with me crying and my life changed overnight.

[Stu]

See, I. I feel like if I was out on a ship, I wouldn't want my captain to be crying like this.

[Glenn Beck]

The truth is about you, that you have running in your head, but it's probably not very good. We all have these things. Oh, if people only knew. If. If people only knew what I thought or what I did or I'm not good enough. I'm a fraud. Whatever it is, that's a lie. Maybe somebody in your life has been telling you that crap. Turn that off. Turn that off. You are a divine daughter and son of God with all of the rights and privileges that go with that. You are equipped with everything you need. Don't let anyone tell you somebody stands in your way. Don't let anybody tell you you can't do it. The system is rigged against you. I am a son of God. I have everything I need.

[Stu]

So you're retiring to be a yacht captain. That's what.

[Glenn Beck]

That's. No, I'm going to take over for God.

[Stu]

Oh, okay.

[Glenn Beck]

You know. Yeah, he talked to me. He's going to turn over. He's retiring. He's going to turn the keys over to me. Here is here I am talking about the recipe for success. Hopefully I'm not crying in this clip.

[Stu]

Please help.

[Glenn Beck]

I meet a million people all the time who say, I want to have your job. Usually what they're saying is, I want the fame or I want the fortune. And I'm like, you can have that. It's battery acid to the soul. Really? You want my job?

[Paul List]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, I'll. I'll help you any way I can. If you want to intern or you, you know, you want a mentorship, I'm. I'm willing to do that. No, nobody finishes. Nobody's willing to actually put in the work. You're not paid what you're paid because you kind of phone it in. You only succeed when you are doing everything all the time and you are focused and you're disciplined and you work hard and you finish what you start. When that happens, the whole world changes. I'm telling you, work hard. People who are successful will see it, and you'll rock it to the top. That is a section where I was talking about Charlie. He did the work. He did the work. He deserved to get the breaks because he created them. Next one I talked about, is there bad. Listen to this. There is no such thing as bad things. It's what you do with it. It's what you're going to do. With Charlie Kirk's death, you had a choice. Choose death. Choose anger. Choose vengeance. Or choose life. Choose charity. Choose peace. Choose forgiveness. And look how you've already changed the world. There is no such thing as bad if you make the choice to see the good that can come from. Was. It was. It was. It was a great night. I could have spent. I mean, I could have sat down with those people all day long. I just. They are. There is great hope for America in.

[Stu]

The youth and the bravery and the focus of that organization. To continue with these events after everything.

[Glenn Beck]

That'S happened, let me tell you something real true bravery. Yeah, true bravery. It is just great. And I talked to him last night, and I want you to hear this, and I want you to share this with people who are their age. Do you know what people were saying about the greatest American generation back in the day, as is in the 30s? You know, everybody's, you know, doesn't have a job. It's the Great Depression. Things are not going well. We just came out of the roaring 20s. So now these kids who were born in the 20s, you know, they had refrigerated. This is what. This is what their parents and their grandparents and everybody else said about that generation, they did, they didn't have to go out and cut ice. We used to have to cut ice. We had to milk the cow every day. We wanted milk. We didn't have a refrigerator, okay. We had to plow the fields by hand with horses. Now they get on their tractors. These kids are soft. They haven't had to work a day in their life. You put, you turn the keys over to them, God will help us. Because they don't have any work ethic. They don't know how hard it is to actually. All of the same things you're hearing about the 20 somethings now is what was said about the 20 somethings in the 30s and those 20 somethings were the ones who became the greatest American generation. So it's normal for us to say these things because when I was a kid, that happens every generation. Cut this generation some slack. Look at what's happening with the kids at tpusa. Sorry, I don't mean to say kids, the college students, the 20 somethings. Look at what's happening. Then look at those who are still in their teens. They're different. What, what we have to do is let them know, gang, this is your country. This is your country. You're going to be the generation that fixes it. It's not my generation. We're the forgotten generation. We're just trying to hold things at bay. The generation before us screwed everything up. They're hippies and everybody's got to have everything and all of this crap. And then because we lost view of actual morals, actual moral sentiments and we just got trapped into fame, fortune, everything's about money, all of that, we started worshiping other gods. We lost it. They instinctively know this isn't right. They instinctively know this isn't going to last. They instinctively know. I didn't know that when I was in my 20s. I didn't see the problem. They see the problems. They may not know how to fix it yet, but that's our job. Our job is to teach them principles, not the answers. Principles. They will find the answers and they're going to be the ones that either push us into slavery or push us into freedom. I see great hope on the horizon. Every time I'm with these kids, every time I'm with them, I realize, oh my gosh, I remember David Barton and I talked in while we were at Fox and he said to me, I got news for you, Glenn, we're not going to change it. And I'm like, what then? What are we. What do you. What he's like, we're not look at history. And he taught me some history about how it happened in the Revolutionary War. He's like, we're the ones who teach. We teach the youth, and the youth are going to be the ones that are fixing it. And that's true. The Charlie Charlie's generation, they learned from me and David and others like us on Fox. They took it and then went to Hillsdale and actually got a real education that they didn't pay for. They didn't care about the diplomas. He didn't care about that. He just wanted to do the work. He really, truly was hungry for the truth, and he looked for it beyond today's truth. He went to ancient truth and then worked his way forward. When I thought, you know, we're not. Wait, we're not going to be able to fix this. No. I'm like, oh, geez, that's not our job. Our job is to teach. Their job is going to be the ones that set the country right and design it the way. I mean, this is very Jeffersonian. Set it the way they choose. It is now their future. I prefer they don't, you know, decide to liquidate all of us over 65 at some point, you know, well, can't afford health care, Grandpa, you're out. But they will. They will find the right path. Have faith in the future because you have faith in God. And God sent these people that that age. They were born for a reason. And I believe they were born to save the world from authoritarianism. So have great hope. And thank you, TP usa. Thank you, Charlie, for everything that you built. All right, let me tell you about good ranchers. I've heard a lot of legends in my time. The Loch. Loch Ness Monster, which is not a. That's true. Bigfoot. I lived in the Pacific Northwest some. All the time. Supermarket meat, actually from American Farms. Yeah, that was one of those. Three is real and it's not Bigfoot. 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[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

About that private conversation you just had.

[Paul List]

What?

[Glenn Beck]

Are you uncomfortable yet? Glenn Beck is back after this. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're glad you're here. Boy, there is a ton going on in today's world. There's a, there's a lot. President is going to what, Egypt on Sunday. He'll be over in Egypt and they're going to sign the peace deal. That is such a historic thing. Such a historic thing.

[Stu]

Massive development.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Stu]

Just pray that it continues to go.

[Glenn Beck]

Down the right road.

[Stu]

He's working so hard along with everybody, I think, involved in this. I was listening to some coverage on this from the mainstream media this morning, and it was interesting to hear them talk about it because they're sort of perplexed by Trump. You know what I mean? I think there is an element of people who just hate him no matter what he does. And there's an element in the mainstream that is just perplexed as to everything he does. They don't understand any of it. And there's coming around to this version of understanding where they're, let's see if.

[Glenn Beck]

You think the same thing I do. I'm interested. Go ahead.

[Stu]

They're seeing it almost as like he's able to disrupt. It's almost in a disruptor version. And they see it as.

[Glenn Beck]

That's true, though.

[Stu]

I think it is true. Where he is so unmoored to every, you know, what was the thing that Kamala used to say?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. Not emburdened by what has been, whatever that nonsense was.

[Stu]

In a way, it really applies to him. He doesn't care about what an advisor to Kissinger.

[Glenn Beck]

That's true.

[Stu]

Thought a million years ago. He just does it. He does what he thinks is right. And there are times where you might not like that approach, but in this situation, it seems to be the only thing that could have possibly shaken things like calcification around these conversations. It's never been able to move at all.

[Glenn Beck]

So it's so funny that you say that because I think that's accurate and that's an accurate view of him. He doesn't care about the moors of the past. However, all I'm hearing is he's only doing it for the Nobel prize.

[Stu]

I have heard that as well. Yes, they've said that one explicitly.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh, yeah, you know, he.

[Stu]

Oh, he just wants the nobel prize. And it's like, yeah, that's the only.

[Glenn Beck]

Thing he cares about. He's not saving people. Or. Do you know how much this guy cares about war? He hates war. He hates it.

[Stu]

You don't understand that as a businessman.

[Glenn Beck]

Right.

[Stu]

Even outside of just the fact that he likes. He actually likes people and wants them to live, which I know the left can understand, but also, like, it's very disruptive to try to do anything in a situation like that. And he is so. For multiple reasons, he is that way and has been that way for a long time. He really cares about this. But even if his motivation were the trophy, so who cares what his motivation is if this happens?

[Glenn Beck]

Look at the fruits of the labor. Look at the fruits of the labor. And anybody who's saying that, you know, the Jews control. Did you see how he pulled this off? You're not listening to Benjamin Netanyahu or anybody else. Or at least that's what my zionist master has told me to say more. It's Friday, America. Coming back in a minute. This is Glenn Beck. Let me tell you about Jace medical. Most of us have a first aid kit, you know, for scrapes and splinters and everything else. Nowhere near. Many of us have a plan for the kind of illnesses that can upend a week, a weekend trip, a vacation. Stu, your experience with your kids.

[Stu]

This is last year now, but we were, you know, we had a big day on the ocean and my son, you know, sort of the end of the day, he didn't start feeling well, but thought he'd be okay. It got kind of rough as we went on and we were in like a little beach community and nothing was.

[Glenn Beck]

Open in the middle of the night. Yeah.

[Stu]

So I had to drive 90 minutes, I think it was, to the only 24 hour pharmacy it was in the area to get him medication. If I had my Jace case with me, which of course is crazy because.

[Glenn Beck]

He actually has that. He went and did the J Skase thing and didn't bring it with him on vacation.

[Stu]

Well, I don't even tell you that in the commercials.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Paul List]

SAM down the road where shadows hide Feel the dark on every side Stand your ground when times get down Gotta face the dog and embrace the fire.

[Glenn Beck]

The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck program. So Rutgers University had a professor, has a professor dubbed Dr. Antifa. And it was TPUSA students that went to work to make sure Dr. Antifa didn't have an office. How did it all work out? Where are we on this story? I'm going to talk to the Rutgers University, the chapter treasurer, also the Turning Point USA outreach coordinator. Both of them were instrumental in what just happened. I want them to tell the story here in 60 seconds because as I said last hour, have faith in the younger generation. They get it and they are really rolling up their sleeves and big changes are happening. First, let me tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Hopefully all of the bombs have stopped falling. The sky is quiet right now. That kind of silence has a weight to it. For years, the Jewish people in Israel have lived with the sirens and the loss and the thing that, you know, they've built, often lying in shattered pieces. If the ceasefire holds, if this is the beginning of the end of that, then the work of rebuilding begins the day after the war. You know, it doesn't start with blueprints or buildings. It starts with people. It starts to bring families back to doorways that used to be their homes. Children walking back to school that, you know, still smell like smoke. It starts with food, water, medicine and hope. The basics of life that make tomorrow possible. And that's where the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is already at work. They're on the ground helping Israel rebuild their lives. And right now, there is a way to show you stand with the Jewish people. It's called Flags of Fellowship. It's a movement of Christians who refuse to let Israel rebuild alone. I don't want our government doing this. I want people who actually believe in this doing this. I don't want our government to use our tax dollars to do any of it. It's our job because we feel it Passionately get information about how you can join this historic movement. The flags of Fellowship. Visit the [e-mail] that's ifcj.org Megan Doyle, Ava Kwan, welcome to the program. How are you?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I'm doing good. Thank you so much.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, you bet. Who wants to tell me the story of what was discovered and what you were facing? Then I'll ask for somebody else to tell me the rest of the story, what happened. Who wants to start?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I can start.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay. And which one are you?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I'm Megan Doyle.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, thank you.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

All right, Well, I first want to share with you some of our findings that we found on Mark Bray. His pro political violence rhetoric is something that should not be tolerated, especially on campuses. And that's what we found in his Antifa, the Anti Fascist Handbook. They go over strategies like doxing to create mental burdens. They call anyone who basically opposes antifa as fascists, like Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly. So it's really concerning to see that. And I also want to mention that his handbook, in the introduction, he states that nearly 50% of the author proceeds from the book would go to the legal International Antifa Defense Fund, which has notably provided legal support to 10 suspected Antifa members who were charged with terrorism and attempted murder on an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, on July 4, 2025. So, you know, this guy has serious problems. His rhetoric is quite concerning for conservative students on campus.

[Glenn Beck]

How long has he been teaching?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I believe he has been teaching around near 2017. I believe that's when he joined Rutgers University after previously being fired from Dartmouth for his rhetoric that he was teaching in class, which is political violence.

[Glenn Beck]

And is this the first. I mean, so at Dartmouth, he. He was fired for this. He goes to Rutgers. Was anybody concerned? Was anybody bringing this up until you guys at tpusa?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I believe no. I believe no. Also, just to kind of add to that as well, you know, I think that's a big part of why we started our petition in the first. You know, we wanted to see peaceful change at our university. And we hadn't heard anything from Rutgers or any information about, you know, Mark Bray's long rap sheet. And it's.

[Glenn Beck]

Give me information on his long rap sheet. What do you mean by that?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

You know, just him being dismissed from Dartmouth, you know, for advocating for political violence. You know, being an author of his book, you know, the Anti Fascist Handbook. You know, he has continuously lied to the media about his involvement in antifa. You know, back in 2017, he was on a podcast called the Final Straw, where he blatantly admits to being a member of the Black Rose anarchist group.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh, wow.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

You know, he was, if you, if you scroll down on his ex account back in 2017, he's directly involved with the G20 riots that were in Germany back in 2017. I mean, he posted himself. It's just like right in your face. So, you know, when we found out about, you know, Dr. Antifa, we knew we had to, you know, do things, you know, do things the right way and start a petition for our university to try and draw attention to this matter. And we also want to make clear as well, you know, we don't condone any of the violence that's been being sent to Mark Bray. We condemn any alleged death threats that have been sent to Mark Bray. You know, obviously we're not big fans of this professor, but we don't want to see him, him threatened. It's very sad to see that, you know, he does feel threatened by violence and we don't want to see that.

[Glenn Beck]

There's nothing more harmful than violence. And if our side engages in violence, you have greatly hurt the republic and greatly hurt our cause. And beyond that, it's just out and out wrong. How do the students now feel besides, you know, conservatives? How do they feel about him on campus?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Well, well, we, well, you know, I'll, I'll speak first and then Megan could go. But, you know, we have not received that great of a response from students on campus. I personally been doxed by unhinged left wing activists on Reddit. And both Megan and I have received a multitude of threatening messages online. You know, and I think that the media has a big part to play in all of this. You know, they've, as I mentioned earlier, they keep spreading this misinformation about Mark Bray that he isn't involved with Antifa. Meanwhile, you know, like I mentioned, he's on podcasts where he admits to being a part of the Black Rose. And if you scroll down on his ex, you see that he's been part of the GT riots in. So it's, you know, all this misinformation is being spread. And, you know, we're just students who created a petition. We don't want violence, you know, threats or violence whatsoever to him. And we've been labeled as, you know, the scapegoats in all of this.

[Glenn Beck]

So, Megan, what is, what's the atmosphere for conservatives like at Rutgers?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

The atmosphere, the best way I can say, it's like stepping. You have to tread carefully whenever you're speaking, whenever you have a conservative opinion that really doesn't align with the majority of the leftists at Rutgers, it's, you have to tread. And as a conservative myself, I've been attacked in high school and in college now for my opinions, especially with me wanting Mark Bray to get fired. So yeah, you really have to tread carefully when you're speaking at a campus like this.

[Glenn Beck]

Megan, let me stay with you for just a second. How has the university reacted to what you guys are doing?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

The university has not directly responded to us. They have not expressed concern for Mark Bray's alignment with Antifa, which is, it's really concerning. It's disgusting. I feel disappointed with the university that they haven't taken appropriate action like terminating their professional relationship with Mark Bray. So I feel, I feel concerned that he's going to be continuing to teach, which he already is. I mean, he had his trip to Spain to flee from the quote, unquote death threats that he's been receiving and he's beginning online classes. So it's in. The university is allowing that. So instead of conducting a proper investigation.

[Glenn Beck]

What, what, what does he teach? What is his class?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I believe he teaches a European history. I believe he's a history teacher. So I believe know that he teaches an anti fascist class. Anti fascism to be specific. And he teaches European history too.

[Glenn Beck]

I would love to see his, his syllabus. I'd love to see what he says, you know, in the class. Eva, so how many signatures do you have? How many do you think you're going to get to actually have the university engage? Or is there a number that you think will have them engage?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

You know, I haven't checked the petition in the past couple days, but I think the last time I checked, our petition has around 1,000 signatures on it.

[Glenn Beck]

Now this is just students.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I'm, you know, I'm not sure. I don't have the list of names. I think it's a mix. You know, Megan and I have been trying to spread the petition around online to try and draw as much attention as possible to hopefully get Rutgers to comment on it. But, you know, we're hoping to just kind of spread this around, you know, keep finding out more about Mark Bray and hopefully we'll be able to get the university's attention. Yeah, and go ahead. Sorry.

[Glenn Beck]

No, no.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I also want to note that from what Eva said, that the petition is not directly targeted for students. It's targeted at alumni, non students and even donors. So they're educated on who Mark Bray is.

[Glenn Beck]

Where do I go If I wanted to sign this and find out more.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

So you can go on change.org change.org is where the petition is at and I search for it also, you know, I posted it as well on my ex account. It's Ava J. Kwon if you want to go and find a link to it. And you know, we also just want to preface as well that, you know, our petition has nothing to do with the death threats that, you know, he's received and you know, we don't want to see any violence towards him whatsoever.

[Glenn Beck]

Did you say strongly condemn anyone who says that and they're not part of your movement?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Of course, of course we don't want to see that whatsoever. And I think after seeing the reaction from many of the students and just random left wing activists online, what I've really taken away is that language today is just used far too carelessly. Our words have immense power. So when we're labeled as Hitler or fascist, it's not just an insult to us, but it's implying that someone's very existence is evil. You know, if someone, you know, came to you on the street and was like, if you had the chance to kill Hitler, would you? I think a lot of people would say yes. So when you're calling someone Hitler, you're calling someone fascist. You know, you're basically saying that this person is so irredeemable and so wicked that the world would be better off without them. And that kind of language and rhetoric is so dangerous because it doesn't invite dialogue. It shuts down any option of a conversation. And you know, people who are resort to this kind of rhetoric aren't interested in any understanding or reconciliation. And you know, this kind of language is the same kind of language that led to Charlie Kirk's assassination about a month ago. It's the same rhetoric that's now being used against us at Turning Point. And it's the same ideology that Dr. Antifa is promoting in his classroom on the New Jersey taxpayer dime. And you know, our petition, we wanted to do things the right way. We wanted to enact peaceful change at our university. We don't want to see anyone threatened. We don't want to see any death threats going around to anyone.

[Glenn Beck]

I want you to go to change.org I want you to look the story up. Mark Bray, Rutgers University if you feel compelled to sign the petition, please sign the petition. I would strongly recommend that we are all praying for peace and we are all praying for anyone who is brave enough to stand up, up. Charlie is not going to Be the last, I fear. And we must have forgiveness and love in our hearts. The only way we win this is if we, if we shot our feet in the gospel of peace. If we follow the teachings of Christ. You put good face to face with evil. Put them split screen. People in America still at this point, I believe will pick good, but we are close to losing that. So we have to be good, decent, inspiring, uplifting people. And ladies, I don't mean to assume you're both identifying as ladies, but yes, we are. Yeah. Okay, good. I just wanted to. I just, I just want to encourage you. Keep it up, stay safe, know where your lines are and just don't ever give up or get. If you get discouraged, call me because I have great faith in your generation and I'm really, really happy to see the way you're handling this. Thank you.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Thank you so much.

[Glenn Beck]

You bet. Megan Doyle, Ava Kwan from Rutgers University and Turning Point usa. All right. Tunnel to Towers. America has a lot of its heroes. Firefighters run towards, you know, not from police step in when everything is falling apart. Our soldiers shoulder a burden most of us will never know. And when one of them is killed in of duty or comes home with life changing injuries, the cost lands on the family. Now Tunnel to Towers was built to help meet that, that cost in any way that they can. Here's the one thing they do and do so well. They pay off the mortgages for the families of fallen first responders and gold star families. So a widower, a widower isn't worried about, you know, the house note. What are we gonna, how are we gonna pay the. They don't have to worry about that. They build mortgage free smart homes for catastrophe for catastrophically injured veterans. Let's all customize the doorways, the ramps, the controls, the layouts that restore independence and most importantly, dignity. Their mission started in the aftermath of 911 and it hasn't slowed down since. Year after year, family after family, they turned gratitude into something tangible. Action, a secure home, a stable future and a message that this country remembers who stood up for it. Never forget the sacrifice of our country's greatest Heroes. Please donate $11 a month to Tunnel the Towers at t2t.org that's t the number2t.org 10 seconds. Station ID. We're doing our annual Mercury One Gas Gala this year. It's for his glory. It's happening Saturday, October 18th. We're going to reflect on the incredible impact of our donor generosity and restoring communities and humanitarian aid and preserving our heritage all with God at The center, this annual fundraiser I do, I host every year to just pay the light bills and everything else so I can get on the air when there's a trouble and say 100% of this money goes to that cause. I believe we're the only ones that can say that. And. And do say that. And we mean it. I mean, we do. We do two audits a year. We're only required to do one. We want two audits because we want to make sure every dollar, every dime is going exactly where we say it is. And it's all. I mean, we look at your donation as sacred money. At Mercury One last year, all of the things that you. You did for North Carolina and Florida and Colorado and everything else is just. It's been overwhelming. And we want to thank you and we would love your help on raising money so we can keep the doors open and the lights up next year. All you have to do if you want to go to the fundraiser. It's a great event. Don't miss out. You can get your tickets and you can sponsorship a table. [e-mail] we have very limited seats left. This is the largest fundraiser that we've done for this. We do it every fall. This is the largest one. And already, I think we doubled the number of tickets, and already we're down to a very few. Please come. I would love to shake your hand. I'd love to meet you. Mercury1.org Mercury1.org Together restoring the human spirit. Mercury1. Because when help is needed, we answer the call because of you. All right, Stu. Gosh, where do we begin? What. What else do we. We have to cover today. We've got to. We've got to cover the. The peace deal looks like it's going through, which is amazing. Yeah.

[Stu]

Hamas still needs to deliver hostages, which is key. I thought Coleman Hughes had an interesting point. You know, he. You know, I know you're familiar with him, but he's brilliant, a brilliant guy. But he said that they're seeing in coverage of this in Israel. Pure joy is in the air is how Israeli journalist is describing the mood in Israel right now. He asked the question, though, but how could that be? If the Israelis want, above all, genocide and ethnic cleansing, why would they celebrate a deal that ends the war with no ends? Ethnic cleansing and 97% of Gazans alive. Pure joy is not what you feel when your deepest ambitions have just been thwarted. It's almost as if the goal of the war was really to get the hostages back and oust Hamas. It's almost as if Israelis are motivated by a deep dark desire to live in peace with their neighbors.

[Glenn Beck]

Ah, that can't be true. That guy's got a Zionist master.

[Stu]

He does.

[Glenn Beck]

He's got a wow anti American, that guy. He's being controlled by the Jewish. Okay, I want to continue on one more thing to show you who the youth of America really is. I have a high school athlete fighting to protect girls in girls sports. Next, I'm going to introduce you to her. She's 16 and amazing. This is Glenn Beck. All right. Patriot Mobile. Have you ever had a friend who thinks you're crazy for switching to Patriot Mobile? They're like, come on, it's a cell phone company. What's the difference? Oh, Patriot Mobile. And you say, I don't know, you know, maybe it's because I know where my money is going and I'm not funding every woke cause under the sun, including Planned Parenthood like you do if you're, you know, with Verizon. Then a week later that same friend texts you from their big corporate provider. My bill just went up again. Wow, that sucks. That sucks. Maybe, maybe you should say, you know, it's actually going to cost you less and you'll know exactly where your money is going. Supporting pro freedom, pro life, pro America, American values. Just, I don't know, maybe it's time you switch. Okay, here's the number if you want to switch. It's easier than ever. You can activate in minutes from the comfort of your own home. You can keep your number, keep your phone or upgrade one or both. Make the switch today. Nine seven two Patriot make that phone call. Use the promo code Beck because you're going to get a free month of service. 972 Patriot promo code BECK or go to patriot mobile.com patriot mobile.com Beck make sure you use the Beck part because you'll get a free month of service.

[Stu]

We talk about so many stories every day and so many of them hit the cutting room floor. You can get all of them though in the free email newsletter. It's available@glenn beck.com.

[Glenn Beck]

I want to read something from Frances Stout. She posted. She's 16 years old. She lives in Washington state. This evening, as a young female athlete in the United States of America, I was actively silenced for standing up for my own safety and belief. During the Tumwater High School girls basketball game on February 6, 2025, a biological male from Shelton High School opposing team was brutalizing my teammates using his biological. His biological advantage. Clearly and intentionally overpowering his competition I made the decision to sit out one of my very last basketball games of the season because I refuse now and forever to compete against any biological male in any sport that I play. I was incredibly distraught at the fact that nobody would step in on our behalf, including the staff, coaches, referees and parents from both sides. This is due to the sheer fact that in our society we have been pushed to be silent and bow down to the demands to accept what we know to be untrue. When I became visibly upset and angry, I was met with allegations of discrimination as well as threats made by other players in a grown man who is tasked with serving my school district. The principal and athletic director who stood in front of parents and the students claiming to care about our students bodies, their beliefs and feelings, but they certainly did not care about mine. Tonight, this is far from over. It has fueled a passion in me to speak out and go against the wrongdoing that is still happening to female athletes in this great country. Isn't it ironic that just yesterday National Girls and Women's Sports Day was the day that President Trump signed the no whim, no men in Women's sports executive order. And here I am the very next day having to deal with such an injustice that has, that has caused so much emotional distress in my life. I will never not stand up for myself or my ability to speak out and protect my safety as a female athlete. 16 years old. From Tumwater, Washington, it's Francis Stout. Hello, Francis.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Hello. Thank you so much for having me on the show. It is not lost on me the significance of speaking with you today.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh my gosh. Thank you. So Francis, you were, you were not notified? Nobody was notified. You just go to this game and you see somebody who you describe as obviously a male.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Why do you say that? What I mean and tell me the intimidation tactics or the brutalization tactics, if you will, that you felt he was doing well?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I feel it is obvious from any stand where he would have stood out on the court. He was warming up and stretching, looking around, dancing with the girls on his team. It was obvious. There's clear biological differences between girls and boys. And you could just see by everything and lots of, there's a lot of just roughness on the court and pushing girls down and nothing that a normal girl on my team or the other team would have really been able to do. Very harsh and just, it was a clear difference.

[Glenn Beck]

So you go and say, I'm going to sit this game out or I can't, I can't play because I don't feel safe on the court, correct?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes, that's correct.

[Glenn Beck]

And what was the response at the time?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

At the time, people kind of looked and were, oh, whatever. Just asked me, oh, are you sure you don't want to play? It's not that big of a deal. I got told by a lot of people it isn't that big of a deal. It doesn't matter. There's not. Nothing's going to happen. And you're just looking for attention, every sort of thing that you could hear from people.

[Paul List]

Right.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

But it was only until I got upset after seeing him hurt girls on my team and also take away from my ability to play because I feared for my own safety that people really started having issues.

[Glenn Beck]

And what. When you got upset, what happened?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

So I went and tried to talk to the principal of Tumwater, Zach Suderman, and I told him, this is wrong. Why are you not protecting me and my right to play in my own sport? And why are you not putting a stop to this? It's clearly wrong. It is a violation of my own privacy and safety that you've told every single person at that school that you care about but you. He did absolutely nothing to help me. He told me that it was discrimination against the boy and the man. Actually 18 years old.

[Glenn Beck]

He said. The man?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes, he said, he said, I'm not going to misgender, quote, unquote, this individual.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay. He has also said, and maybe it's not the principal, maybe it's the superintendent. As a district, we remain committed to fostering an inclusive environment where all students feel safe, supported and valued. Do you feel safe, supported or valued?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

That is a very easy answer. Absolutely not. There is in no way am I feeling like I'm supported. I have had. When I was 15 years old, the 18 year old man was in my own locker room. That is quite the opposite of safe and supported. That I should be able to feel. There's a man or boy in the girls locker room right now at Tumwater High School that they're still doing nothing about. Telling girls that they can go somewhere else to change if they feel uncomfortable. They only care about a certain protected class. And it clearly is not the girls who just want their own privacy and safety.

[Glenn Beck]

So now a lawsuit has been lodged against you. The foundation against Intolerance and Racism filed a civil rights complaint to the Department of Education.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes, on our behalf.

[Glenn Beck]

On your behalf?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay. Thank God. I was, I read that and I'm like, what are they? How is that possible? On your behalf, however.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yeah, I was investigated, however, by the WIAA and Tumwater School District for harassment and bullying, for, quote, unquote, misgendering. The man saying that he was a man was apparently bullying and harassment, and that is what happened. I, but myself and my family was the one who filed the complaint.

[Glenn Beck]

Well, I'm, I'm glad because I was having a hard time understanding how our DOJ was, was not standing up for your civil rights on this, especially since, you know, the. The president has made it very clear.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Can you give me any update on where this stands and where this is headed?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

So we are so waiting to hear back. We filed it a little bit ago and still waiting for news. We have hope that it'll be in our favor and I am very much looking forward to seeing where it can take us. And yeah, I am hoping that it'll be all good.

[Glenn Beck]

Francis, I have to tell you, you give me an awful lot of hope. I think we treat our children as little kids. You know, you hit 16 years old back in the old days. Back in the old days. I mean, older than me. You know, our founders were in their 20s and 30s. You know, Thomas Jefferson, I think, was 30. They were expected to do more. And we just say, oh, your childhood, your childhood. Yeah. There is something about keeping childhood sacred and keeping childhood as safe as possible. But you are a great example of what 16 year olds should be like. You should know what your rights are, what your responsibilities are, why you believe certain things that you do. If you're passionate about them, obviously you're passionate about this and make the case. You give me an awful lot of hope, Frances.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I very much appreciate that. Well, I cannot tell you how much I. As I mentioned in my speech last Saturday, this is the turning point of America. And I was an incredible fan of Charlie Kirk. I think he was an amazing man, and I think he's given me a voice to speak out and given me courage. And I think that it's important, although we are young, to speak up for what we believe in. It's important. I've had those values instilled by my family as well and my parents. And I think it's very important he did not die in vain. I think that we need to make our country proud and we are going to be the future of America, and we need to start acting like it, speaking up for what we believe in and what is right and no good and evil.

[Glenn Beck]

Do you have any friends in Washington state? Because I grew up in Washington state. I know what it's like. Your family you just must. Is it just you guys? Are you just alone in Washington State? Because you're amazing. But it must not be very popular to be you and your family in Washington state.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Well, no. There, you see all around, there's people who disagree, but we have a close group. It really shows you who your close friends are and who is there for you. But it is definitely not the majority in Washington state of what me and my family believe in. But this isn't over, and I think that we can make a change. And I think people need to have their eyes opened and realize that there's clearly something wrong. And I think people can be very oblivious to the fact of that. But there's. It is pretty small majority, especially in Washington state, as you can probably know it.

[Glenn Beck]

I know it quite well. Do you have any friends that disagree with you that are still standing with you as a friend?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

I don't really have many friends who have told me they disagree. I've been called a lot of names. I've lost a lot of friends over it, but I don't have many friends who disagree. I think it's really sad because they've been told by so many people that they are right and people who disagree with them are automatically horrible people. And especially Chris Reichdahl telling people that, oh, this isn't happening. So kids are believing him and parents are believing him. And so they think that I'm just wrong and looking for attention. And I've been called that. Just the other day, I got called a transphobe in the hallways by this kid that I used to be friends with and say hi to every day. And I walked by and got yelled at. And it's sad. It really is.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. You sound smart enough to know there are easier ways to get attention, right?

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Exactly. Yes.

[Glenn Beck]

Thank you so much for everything you're doing. Please keep me informed. Keep us up to date. We want to follow the story, and if there's any way we can help. Just know you're not alone and you know it'll be people like you that will be remembered someday. It's the people who did the things they didn't necessarily want to do that didn't make them possible, in fact, made them a target. But they had. They had the faith in something bigger than themselves. They knew they had a responsibility and they stood. Those are the kinds of people that actually make it into the history books. Not the one that walked through the crowd as you were walking through, who said, you're a transphobe. That person is never going to Be remembered in history. You will be. So thank you. Keep it up.

[Megan Doyle / Ava Kwan / Francis Stout]

Truly appreciate that and it means more than you know. From the bottom of my heart, I appreciate this opportunity in speaking with you and I will not forget what you said. That means a lot.

[Glenn Beck]

Thanks a lot, Francis. God bless you. See, there is good news. There is good news. There are things that are happening in a country, in the country that is really good. Now we all have our little rituals that make us feel safe. Some people check that the door is locked four times. Some people leave their porch light on all night. My personal favorite is the good dog plan. Because nothing says security like a 12 year old golden retriever who sleeps through the doorbell. Others rely on technology that actually doesn't do anything. The camera that's not connected, the doorbell that doesn't record anything but the UPS guy waving or the alarm system that still has the dialogue up modem in it somewhere. We convince ourselves it's fine because we haven't been robbed yet. It's not gonna happen us, happens to other people. The truth is most of us confuse feeling safe with being safe. And that's where simply safe comes in. It's, it's actual working security. The kind that doesn't rely on habits, luck or your dog's work ethic. Sensors, cameras, professional monitoring that is simple to install, easy to use and always on duty. Because peace of mind isn't supposed to be an illusion. It's supposed to be a fact. Get the fact simply safe will help keep your family safe. SimpliSafe.com Beck Claim 50% off. A new system today. That's 50% [e-mail] Beck There is no safe like Simplisafe. Keep your powder dry and your conscience clear. This is Glenn Beck. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. It is Friday. Letitia James has been indicted on bank fraud charges. And you know, the word is that Donald Trump said to Pam Bondi prosecute. You know, I, I have faith that nobody is going to prosecute. I mean it went to the grand jury. The grand jury found her.

[Stu]

Yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

You know, had an indictment and found her prosecutable. And I want to make sure that we play by the rules. But I have to tell you, Donald Trump and his family are not going to be in trouble next time because he won't be able to run again. So they don't care. But I will tell you, all of the people in the cabinet, all of the people, Pam Bondi and all these people, they are, they better hold the line and do it exactly the Right thing every step of the way. I don't think that's going to protect them. If you think weaponization has happened in the past or is even happening now. Wait. If the Democrats take control. And they will, at some point, they will. Hopefully later, you know, over sooner, but they will. There is massive trouble.

[Stu]

I think that. I mean, I don't want to go too far here, but I think there's a chance they might try to push, you know, someone like the president into prison and they maybe some of their donors might even try to kill the president. I'm just. I don't know.

[Glenn Beck]

I think that's possible.

[Stu]

I think it's possible.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah.

[Stu]

It is unbelievable.

[Glenn Beck]

Next you're gonna say they're gonna make.

[Stu]

Up stuff I can't take. I can't take the. I can't believe he's going after his enemies. Stuff like, oh, I know. I get. I. I feel like pretty credible on wanting to hold that line. But you guys can't complain about it.

[Glenn Beck]

Like Jimmy Kimmel.

[Stu]

Oh, gosh, I got suspended for four days.

[Glenn Beck]

Whoa. Did you? They almost threw the President of the.

[Stu]

United States in prison in about six different districts and tried to bankrupt him and get him thrown off ballots.

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. Take him off the ballot as he's running for president. You want to talk about going against, but let's just make sure we watch our side and pray for the people that are currently in power, that they do the right thing and they're protected. This is Glenn Beck. We have a fascinating guest on with us in just a second. First, let me tell you about Moxie. Most pest control companies show up, spray, and they leave. Moxie takes care of your home and the area around it. And every visit starts with a plan that's tailored to your area, your climate, the type of pests that you're actually dealing with. It's not about wiping everything out. It's actually about restoring balance and keeping your home healthy in a way that is safe for your family, your pests, your environment. The field experts, they understand local ecosystems which, you know, which species to deter, which to protect, and how to do it responsibly. And every product and technique is chosen for its effectiveness and minimal impact. Because being humane doesn't mean being soft. It means doing the job the right way in every respect for everybody involved. The pests, if they come back. So does Moxie. Right now, celebrate 25 years in business with Moxie. You can get 20, your first pest control service for just $25. That's a huge savings. Moxyservices.com beck moxyservices.com beck and use the promo code BECK to get your first service at $25. All right, next token and AI.

[Paul List]

SAM. Down the road where shadows hide Feel the dark on every side Stand your ground when times get down Gotta face the dog and embrace the fire.

[Glenn Beck]

The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program. I've been waiting for this guy to come on for a while now. I'm really excited about this. His name is Paul List. He has written a book called Mount Doom. He and his co authors think they have decoded the mythology that is in Tolkien's writings. The Lord of the Rings. And he says that it is a warning for today. You know, we. I think we all know. I mean, well, maybe a lot of people don't know it. I mean, Tolkien and C.S. lewis were good friends, and C.S. lewis challenged Tolkien. You write something, I'll write something. And let's see who comes up with the best, most enduring story that will lead people subtly to Christ. CS Lewis came up with the lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, and Tolkien did Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. Lewis said, you win. But now people are trying to squeeze all of the hidden messaging out of it. Well, Paul says there's even more to it than just that. And he's been studying it for a long time, and I can't wait for you to hear his theories. That's coming up in 60 seconds. First preborn. Whether she is going in and knows it or not, everything that matters to an expecting mother shows up with that first flicker on the ultrasound machine's screen, that first heartbeat she hears through the speakers. The first time a mom realizes this is not an idea anymore. This is not just some nebulous thing that is not tangible to me, that's a person that isn't a baby. Sometimes that moment arrives by joy, sometimes in fear. But every single time, it changes everything because you can't unsee the life that has already begun. This is why preborn exists. To make sure moms in crisis get the help they need at that exact moment. Free ultrasounds, counseling, real, tangible support. They don't just say, choose life. They help mom make it possible. Please, would you join preborn's efforts in this? This is one of the best organizations I know of, and we really want God's blessings to rain down on us and. And boy, do we need it. The best thing we can do is save his children from being born and the moms as well. We're saving two People at once. I don't think there's anything more noble or more endearing to our loving father in heaven than this. Preborn dot com. Beck, I want you to hit that website, read all about it, and you can donate there securely, or you can go to £250. Just hit £250, say the keyword baby and donate. 28 bucks will turn somebody's life around and save two people. Paul. Paul List, Mount Doom coauthor welcome to the program, Paul.

[Paul List]

Hi, Glenn. Can you hear me?

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, I can. I can. I've been waiting for this conversation as I think you're me. I think you're. I think your theories are. You know, I haven't done my own homework on this, so I don't know if they're correct or not, but I think they are absolutely intriguing. And especially in a world that is having the problems that we're having and in a world where everybody's saying, no, Tolkien didn't mean any of that. Oh, no.

[Paul List]

Oh, yeah.

[Glenn Beck]

Oh, he absolutely was writing hidden messages. And you say, absolutely, you've cracked that code.

[Paul List]

Yes, I have. I have. From a scholastic point of view, which almost nobody has anymore. Scholasticism is the original philosophy of Christendom, and it was pushed aside and negated and frankly, defamed by Francis Bacon in the early 16th century, and it fell out of favor for all the abuses and the novelties of the Enlightenment. So nobody. And we fell heavily under the influence of Descartes. So we have a very Cartesian education system now. So everybody's deeply. That goes through the whole academic process. They're deeply infected with the Cartesian, Bacon, Baconian mindset. So they can't see and they don't even pay any attention to Thomas Aquinas, Aristotle.

[Glenn Beck]

I will tell you, I think, I think it is so fascinating, because I think you're right on this, that when you see people, if you are college educated, you're not seeing so many times, even things like how the economy actually works. You're just seeing systems. You're being taught what to think, not how to think. And so you miss everything that's really important.

[Paul List]

Yeah, really. I honestly don't understand how anybody can function well in the world without having studied Aristotle's basic works, treatises on logic, and almost nobody does. And modern philosophy classes are just a disaster. And philosophy has been. We don't have any real philosophers anymore or very few. And, you know, most of the people who actually study the Tolkien mythology seriously as a serious work, because it is a very, very Deadly serious work. They come at it from this Cartesian viewpoint and perspective. And now it's heavily, heavily contaminated with John Dewey, who is actually plays a prominent role in the mythology, in Tolkien's work. He's actually. The character is Saruman who's taken over academia. And, you know, people. If people really want to understand why our state of our education is in such a mess and so infested with Marxism, they have to work. They have to read the works of John Dewey. He really, really. He was a big Marxist. He was a real fan of the industrial education and machinery. And he had taken over. He was a second. He's right from my hometown here in Burlington, Vermont. And, you know, the local university darn near apotheosized him, you know, and they, you know, they think he's great, but he's really. He was really a disaster. He became president of the Teachers College at Columbia University, where he spread his errors all over the world, the Western world, through his education of future teachers. And that's where we are. And I'd like to hear his name come up in a lot of these conversations. For instance, I was listening earlier to the girl from the girls from. Was it Rutgers?

[Glenn Beck]

Yeah, yeah. Rutgers, yeah. Yep.

[Paul List]

Yeah. Go back and read the works of John Dewey and really understand where we are and how we got here. Tolkien, he was a contemporary of Tolkien, and Tolkien knew very well who he was. He was very popular, and they were both educators. Tolkien was a. Was a professor of English literature at Oxford University, and he loved teaching, so he was. He paid attention these ideas. Tolkien's mythology is infused with the most powerful ideas, most potent ideas of all. So before I get too carried away, I'll let you go ahead and ask some questions.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, So I want to get to what you believe Tolkien was saying about AI and his relationship with Alan Turing, et cetera, et cetera. But can we start. Let's. Let's start with just some of the characters that are in. In Tolkien. So let's, let's. Let's start with, you know, the. The hobbits and the elves.

[Paul List]

Perfect.

[Glenn Beck]

Go ahead.

[Paul List]

Yeah, well, we'll start with the hobbits. Hobbits are habits. Okay. So the word habit is used nine times in the whole Lord of the Rings mythology. And lo and behold, it's used eight times in one chapter. And that one chapter is the prologue called Concerning Hobbits. And so they're. They're the habits and the arta. And it's difficult to explain this to people who aren't familiar with The Silmarillion, which is the back history that Tolkien worked diligently on after the publication of the Lord of Rings. And he had to totally switch it around to make it work and be in complete unison and harmony with what he had created in the Lord of the Rings. So hobbits are hobbits, and the four hobbits that we're most familiar with in the Lord of the Rings, Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Mary are the high habits of the virtues. And virtues are habits. This is all Thomas Aquinas. Okay, so the Frodo is temperance, Sam is fortitude. They're the interior cardinal virtues. And the exterior cardinal virtues who have to serve the interior and grow are Pippin, Prudence, and Mary, justice. And Gollum is intemperance. And that's why he calls Frodo master. Not because Frodo has the Ring, but because temperance is the only thing that can master intemperance. There. That's why they're so. They're so similar. And why. And why Frodo has some sympathy for Gollum, because they're. They're this. They're the opposite ends of the spectrum, but they're very much. They have a lot in common. So Frodo is the only one that can carry the Ring because temperance moderates our sensual desires for pleasure. And the one ring. I'll just get this out of the way right. Right now, is binary code. It's ones and zeros. It goes on the finger. It's a digital. Okay, so the war here. There's several conflicts going on in the whole mythology. And the first, well, not the first, but prominent among them is the war of language. Go figure. Because Tolkien was a philologist, world's leading philologist, the science of language. So what's at war is what? Arda, the being in which. Within which Middle Earth is part of it. Middle Earth. Earth is the material brain. Across the sea is a man, the undying realm, and that's the immaterial intellect. Again, this is all Thomas Aquinas. This is scholastic philosophy, which nobody. Or scholastic psychology, which has now been replaced by modern Jungian type, you know, states of consciousness and this stuff. But it was. It was never like that. So. So. So within the battles that are going on, art is made up of music. And it started with the mighty theme that Illuvitar God Illuvatar proposed to the Ainur. And the Ainur are the angelic beings. It's funny. Tolkien is a great humorist, so he named as Aquinas called The angelic mind, the intellects. Tolkien names them derivatively the I Knewers. Like, I know. I knew. It's really funny. So we've got two languages going on. Artists. The being that it's about, it's not about this world. It's about a representative person that represents all of Christendom throughout its history. Okay, and, and, and art is made up of music. And against the language of music, which is. Which mathematically and, and linguistically is expressed through the harmonic overtone series. Right, okay. From which we get our key signatures and everything else. That's the highest language. It doesn't need words. It cuts right through to everything. And then against that highest language of creation is the most brutal, ugly language of the machine. It's machine code.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay, okay, so wait, so wait, wait, wait. Show me in the, you know, Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit or whatever, where, where you are. Where you are. Where he was making the point about music and the machine. Can you do that?

[Paul List]

Well, I mean, it's all in my book, but I mean, the, the point about. About music, the music is, is that if you've. If you've ever read, read the Ainu Lindelayd, which is. Have you. Are you familiar with the Silmarillion?

[Glenn Beck]

Yes, I am.

[Paul List]

Okay. It's the first chapter in the Silmarillion, the Song of the Ainur. And it's just beautiful. I think it's one of the most beautiful writings in all of English literature. And it's about the creation and the. Tolkien's whole mythology. He takes the genesis story of the creation of all creation, and he. And he. And he adopts it to tell the story about the. The conception and creation of an individual soul, a person. And this person is named Arta. And within Arda is Middle Earth, and the Middle Earth is the material brain. And, and so also you've got. Art is made up of music. And if we think about it, everything is made up of, you know, relies on the electromagnetic, the forces that hold everything together and create music, generate everything else, like gravity and everything else. But it's. Harmonics is critical. Everything lives by. Everything lives by the laws, mathematical laws of harmonics. And remind me to come back to that and how that relates to Alan Turing and how the rings are developed as a consequence.

[Glenn Beck]

So go ahead, finish. Finish up on. I have another question.

[Paul List]

Yeah, yeah, so. So we've got the, the language. We go to. Go back to the, to the conflict between these two. And to try to make an example, the ring itself is destroying the music. And the music is the fundamental basis upon which art exists. All of creation exists. And the Ring itself is like a dissolving agent that's actually tearing it apart and dissolving it and destroying it and darkening our upper intellect, destroying our imagination, sucking us into pornography, sucking us into the virtual realm and leading us, quite literally, this is a spiritual conflict. Tolkien was very aware of that. So the machine is there to, very seductively and deceptively insidious, lead humanity right into hell. So there's no doubt about that.

[Glenn Beck]

So does Sauron. Is he representing technology?

[Paul List]

Well, he is artificial intelligence. He is AI. He's inseparable from the Tower of Baradur. That's why you never see him or know much about his physical form in the Third Age, the First form, you're familiar. And they showed this pretty well in the movies, when we could get into the problems with the movies, because they were very well done, but they were also very deceptive. They left way too much out and changed a bunch of stuff because they didn't know what was about. But the first. You remember that opening scene where Sauron comes out and faces down the. The Last alliance, and he's swinging his big mace, and that was beautifully done. But that version of Sauron is the child computer. And that's right out of Alan Turing's 1950 paper on computer, computing machinery and intelligence, where he changes the nature of intelligence to make it imitation. And he actually sets up the Imitation game. And that's what we're dealing with right now with, like, chat, GBT and whatnot. And that's why so many people think that it's actually alive, because it imitates justice. Turing said that that's what he wanted. It imitates. But we'd have to start with like a child. We'd have to treat the computer like a child with nothing, no information, and train it. And that's exactly what they're doing. That was the first iteration. That was the child computer. And then in the Third Age, it has an eye now. And it's funny because the child computer didn't have the eye of sir on. So it was illiterate. It couldn't read. It couldn't read the. It couldn't see necessarily the ones and zeros. So this stuff all comes out of. Tolkien develops, the development of Sauron. He develops over time. And. And. And Tolkien gives him all the elements that are right out of Turing's most potent papers.

[Glenn Beck]

Okay.

[Paul List]

Which in 1930. Go ahead.

[Glenn Beck]

No, no, finish. Go. I'm sorry. Finish.

[Paul List]

1930, 1936 paper on computable numbers with an application to the Skydence problem, where Alan Turing literally invents the computer on paper. Okay. And then in the 1950 paper, where computing machinery and intelligence reading, where he proposed the Imitation Game. And he also talks about, the idea of. Which was very keen to him, the idea of a machine being able to harbor a human soul. And that's the essence of their deception of transhumanism. And then the final paper, which is a little more obscure, was the chemical basis of morphogenesis, where he talks about limited, and he talks about morphogenic. He uses a ring of cells to actually define and show mathematically, through all the technology and knowledge that they even had at the time in 1952, that we could actually predict how a homogeneous substance in a state of unequal or unstable equilibrium, with the right harmonic disturbance, we could predict how it would grow, grow and develop. And AI, or actual technology these days are using science, or computer science, is using that same. Those same mathematics from 1952 for the computer AI to develop its own neural network, its own synthetic brain.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Paul List]

Well, what a lot of people don't realize is that in 1939, before World War II, when England knew that Hitler was coming, and they decided to put together a group of their top intellectuals. Intellectuals to actually participate in what was called the government code in cipher school. And their mission was to crack the Enigma code. And this is part. This is the substance of the movie.

[Glenn Beck]

Was the information Imitation Game. Was Tolkien a part of that group?

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Yes.

[Paul List]

Yes. And he tripped. Yeah, Exactly. He trained there for three days, and he was offered a job. He was the world's leading philologist. He spoke like 12 languages. But what he realized very quickly was this wasn't about language. It was about statistics. It was data pattern recognition.

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Paul List is with us. He is the co author of a book called Mount Doom. I am a big fan of Tolkien's books. My I mean we watch them the Director's cut every year. We'll sit down and we'll watch it for, you know, marathon day or two. We just love it. And I love looking I know when it was written and it was written at a time of World War II and, and you know, the buildup and all of the evil that the world was seeing, much like it is today. And I look at that and I, and I look for the hidden meanings in it and it's, it's brilliantly written. Most people, I think if you watch the movies, you may miss all of this stuff. So Paul is here and I want to bring you back to the characters that we see and we know and what they mean, what, what the mythology is actually trying to tell us.

[Paul List]

Well, I'll start with the most important characters of the bunch and the enigmatic character and what they left out of the movie were the characters Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. And. Nope, that's been the big mystery. Well, who the heck is Tom Bombadil? And nobody's ever figured it out. Well, you can't figure it out unless you have a scholastic point of view. And Tom and Goldberry are the transmigrated, fallen spirits of the Trees of Light. Okay? They are the gold, the spirit of the silver tree, which is Talperion, that's Tom and the golden Tree, and that's Goldberry. And Goldberry actually gets her name from the last golden fruit with which, when they died, they were killed by she Loves Mother Angolian. They produced one last silver flower and one last silver fruit which became the moon and the sun. But their spirits, you have to figure this out. Their spirits were transflagrated. And Aule, the Faculty of growth in the Soul, one of the Balar, made new bodies for them, just as he had made the Dwarves. And with the Lubitar, they had free will. So they were given these spirits and they became Tom Bombadil and Goldberry. And what they are is the rational will or the free will, which is Tom Bombadil. That's why he can do anything he wants. He's the will and the rational intellect, which is Goldberry. And it's all scholasticism.

[Glenn Beck]

So who is. So who, who, who are the Elves?

[Paul List]

The elves are faith and all their various. Because we have faith both in the material and the immaterial. So the three High Kings, okay, are how we love and serve the Lord. This is basic Trinity catechism. Tolkien's giving catechism lessons. They are love, serve, know. So we have the kings of knowledge, service and love, and the. And the Elves, the Noldor of the knowledge, and Feanor, who made the Silmarils. He's the knowledge to make or the knowledge to make. And he made the Silmarils and his sons, the seven sons, are the quadrivium and the quadrivium of classical education, how we actually learn, and the virtues of the mind. So the whole myth. And men will go to men. Men are reason and all of the categories of reason, from high reason, which is Aragorn, to practical reason, which are the Rohirrim, and all the way down to the Wild Men, which is vital or vital? Vitality. It's just instinct. Okay, so we've got, for instance, and the whole mythology is about the reason reunification of faith and reason. It's a response. It's Tolkien's late response to Pope Leo the 13th great encyclical attorney Patris which he was calling the west back trying to get them to turn their back on the cacophony of these philosophies that were turning the Western world Christian and suicidal. And we see that it's true. And trying to get us to come back to Thomas Aquinas and the Scholastics.

[Glenn Beck]

Which is so faith and reason together.

[Paul List]

Exactly. And that is the reunification of. Of Aragorn, the last of the High Reason. He. That's why he's the king. He's the king because he's the king of the rational soul. And. And Elrond's daughter Arwen is the last daughter of the elves of faith. And it's the rewetted reunion of the heirs of Beren and Luthien which are in the Silmarillion. And Luthien of course is the heart of the whole story. And Baron. And that is when faith and reason came and joined to their highest degree. And so we're back. And then when they come, who.

[Glenn Beck]

Who is Gandalf or what does he represent?

[Paul List]

Philosophical wisdom in two parts. So the wizards are according to Aristotle's neck of ethics. They are the means by which we acquire knowledge. This is right out of Necromachean ethics. So we've got Gandalf is philosophical wisdom. Saruman, who's taken over academia is practical wisdom no longer concerned with the higher realm of philosophy, metaphysics, first principles. Okay, and. And then we have Radagast who's rational intuition. The two blue wizards that don't come into the. They keep going east. They go outside of the psychology. They're art and science and they're the exterior means by which we acquire knowledge. But Tolkien takes them into account so he covers all five of them. So Gandalf is Gandalf the gray. Gray in the mind. And Gray's. He's kind of indecisive. He's pagan, pre Christian, pre Revelation philosophy. Aristotle, for instance. When he falls in the mines of Moria, which are the halls of academia it's under Saruman's control. He falls with the spirit of pride of academia. That is the Balrog bell Rug is spirits of pride. He falls down into the body and he's subjected to Darwinism. Durin is Darwin subjected to the. To Durin trying to prove that hey, you're just a. You're just an animal. And then he defeats the Balrog, comes back on the wings of the angels. Not like in the movie, comes back on the wings of the Eagles. And the eagles serve man way, which is the power of sight. And they are the good things that we read. And he's saved by the good reading. And he comes back a full to mystic theologian Gandalf the White. And he's no longer indecisive. He knows exactly what he has to do. So he takes control of the great spirit of decisiveness which is shadow facts.

[Glenn Beck]

When they pick up the Eye of Sauron. Right, the stone, the Seer Stone, that wasn't.

[Paul List]

That was a palantir. That was a palantir. That was one of the seeing stones. But that wasn't the Eye. The Eye of Sauron he had corrupted because his Nazgul had gained that. They had taken that earlier in the Third Age. And that was the other one. One of them was in the. Was in the Tower of Baradur which by the way, is the microchip. The Tower of Baradur is a microchip.

[Glenn Beck]

And that's the tower where Gandalf at one point is trapped on. Right at the top.

[Paul List]

Well, no, no, no, that's. That's the. That's actually the blackened Ivory Tower. That's Isengard Garden. That's where Saruman is. Okay, okay. Saruman, yeah. So the two towers are the tower of corrupted academia and the Tower of Baradur which is the chip in the. In the brain. And the. And Mordor is. It's. Glenn, this is so fascinating. It's all laid out according to the old Victorian pseudoscience called phrenology.

[Glenn Beck]

That's the study of the head. Right?

[Paul List]

Right. Where all these areas were representative of this and that. Well, Mordor is in the. In the cerebellum, the back here. The Reptile Brain, as it's called. And that's the area of all crime and hate and fear and all that. And that's where Mordor is and that's where the microchip is. So at this point in Arda's development which is the history of all of Christendom, it's been. It's become. It's been microchipped and it's become transhuman. And what happens is the will and the intellect. Tom and Goldberg decide they're gonna break out and they're gonna change their evil ways and they're gonna do away with Gollum. This insatiable lust for pornography and all these things that they can get through the One Ring, through the. Through the computer, through digital technology. And they decide to call out of the Shire the cardinal virtues and send them on a quest with Philosophical wisdom and high reason. Okay? And fallen, fallen, high reason, which is, which is Boromir, but still salvageable. And they send them on a quest to destroy the Ring. And that's the essence of the quest, to destroy the Ring. And they have to destroy the language of the machine because at the basis of every digital technology, whether it's the surveillance state, digital money, virtual reality, self driving cars, all these things at the heart of that, none of this functions without the one ring. Ones and zeros.

[Glenn Beck]

This is. I mean, if, if your theory is correct, this puts him way. I mean, decades ahead. Decades.

[Paul List]

Absolutely. Absolutely. But like I said, his training with Alan Turing, he. Tolkien was a huge skeptic of machinery because he always knew that was about dominance. Like he wrote in a letter to his son Christopher in World War II. He said, the only winner in any war is the machine. And we create. You know, war advances the machine. Not to our benefit all the time. I mean, every, Every day, every war advances the. I'm sorry. Advances the machine. So Tolkien was, Was a great scholar. He was very much in touch. He was a very. He was a traditional Catholic, as I am a traditional Catholic. Not this modernism crap that we're seeing coming out of the Vatican now that modern, now that the modernists have taken over. Okay, he was a traditional Catholic. And he, and he, he, he saw this coming. Very much so. With, with, and this is fascinating, with the reunion of faith and reason, now comes the rebirth of the white tree. And the White tree of Gondor is neglected. It cannot be tended. And Glenn, it is the traditional Latin mass. That's what it is. So when faith and reason comes back together, Christendom is healed. We return to the traditional Latin mass, the mass that the FBI is all over and colonists, you know, terrorists and, and whatnot. And it's the original Christian faith. It's an extension of. It's the perpetuation of Christ's sacrifice on the cross where he gives us his real body and blood. Not a symbol, the real thing. And this is what Tolkien is telling us.

[Glenn Beck]

So he is. What is the way out? That he is. I mean, in today's language, what is Tolkien saying is because he's predicting transhumanism, the merging of man and machine. AI we are on the doorstep of that. What, in real terms is his way out?

[Paul List]

Well, we have to cultivate virtue and we have to do away with pornography. And pornography is represented in Tolkien's mythology. That is Shelob, the spider. The spider that she loves. Lair is pornography. Gollum leads them there because that's his favorite place to dwell with the ring is in pornography. He can slake his lust like crazy there. Just like that's why pornography is so huge in the digital realm. It's so easy and it. He's telling us and. But this is fascinating. We have to, we have to cultivate our ver. The cardinal virtues. Temperance, fortitude, prudence and justice. And we have. Christiandom has to be reunited and we have to do away. We cannot subject ourselves to modern music which is brain deadening, mind numbing to modern entertainment, which is just as brain dead and mind numbing. We have to read, we have to be competent, we have to learn and try to understand. Human beings are the, the combination of the joining of the animal realm and the angelic realm. And we've been forced largely by Bacon and Descartes and then Darwin, forced into the strictly ammo realm which is just a disaster for the human intellect. And we really have to re establish our ability to ascend, transcend the material realm. And when we can do that, we can do that through prayer and through, through reading and through the content, the contemplation of the higher purposes of our being. We transcend this realm and we get out of the realm of the machine because the machine owns this realm. And if we are stuck in this realm, we become food for the machine. And the machine is devouring millions, I'd say billions of souls at this point. And we have to pull away, we have to come, we have to turn around, we have to destroy the machine and return to our humanity. And do not enter the virtual realm and do not get your children virtual glasses or goggles. That's a come direct competitor to God's natural creation. And where we put our attention is where we put our souls and our hearts.

[Glenn Beck]

Paul.

[Paul List]

So we have to go ahead, finish, finish up God's natural created world, we really do and cultivate our humanity and become competent. We have to take, take responsibility for our health and responsibility for our own education.

[Glenn Beck]

Paul, I think you are, I think you're fascinating. And the book is called Mount Doom. I highly recommend. I. You know, Tolkien was way ahead of his time and I've always known there's deep, deep meaning, but I haven't been able to figure it out. And I think you have cracked the code. You can find this in the book Mount Doom by Paul List. Thank you so much, Paul. I appreciate it.

[Paul List]

Thank you for having me, Glenn. It was a great privilege and an honor.

[Glenn Beck]

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[Glenn Beck]

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[Glenn Beck]

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[Glenn Beck]

I know, I know. But we'll have to maybe try to squeeze it in. It's a story I've been sitting on all week, and I can't wait to tell you about it. But I look at it every day.

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[Glenn Beck]

It'S organ harvesting day, you know, and definitely not today. So.

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[Glenn Beck]

You.

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[Glenn Beck]

Right.

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[Glenn Beck]

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[Glenn Beck]

He'S ever sent home. And he missed. He didn't do the shows, but he still got paid.

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[Glenn Beck]

Yeah. That's where the real crime is. This is Glenn, Becky.