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Is it a race, God forbid, a flag, a constitution? No. The west is an idea. The west was an idea to escape all of the old oppressive ideas. It's the idea that man himself is made in the image of God and that liberty does not come from kings or government, but it is a responsibility from heaven. That truth exists, that evil exists. And courage is required every day. Education, self education, not self medication, self education is required from each of us every day. It's the idea that a man can speak his mind and not be silenced by a mob or a monarch. That a child can dream and not be forced into slavery. Whether that's the slavery of the body or slavery of the mind. The west is an idea that reason and revelation walk hand in hand. They're not at war. That beauty matters, that kindness matters, that empathy matters, that beauty matters. That sacrifice is holy, that justice is blind and mercy is always near. That's what we inherited and that's what we squandered. We allowed comfort to replace conviction. We allowed entertainment to replace education, pleasure to replace purpose. We handed screens to our children instead of our scriptures. We forgot our story. We forgot who we were. We don't think it's worth fighting for because we don't know who we are anymore. And boy, our enemies are only too happy to write an ending for us. If not now, when? When? When will it be time to get serious? If it's not now, when will it become time for you to say, I'm committed? And if not, is this worth saving? Is this worth dying for? Oh, yes. Yes, it is. And so much more. It's worth living for. Truly living. It's worth saving. And this civilization, no matter how rocky it is, whatever its sins may be, was built on the blood of martyrs and prophets and poets and pilgrims and moms and dads and soldiers. They died for it. They didn't die for the stock market. They didn't die for pronouns, not for surveillance, not for centralized digital currency. Surely they died for something higher, something bigger. I don't believe that is lost. Not yet. Because I believe resurrection is real. And not just in the tomb outside of Jerusalem, but in the bones of any group of people that return to truth. Any group of people, any individual that returns to God, returns to honor, returns to truth, no matter how unfashionable, no matter how, no matter the cost. Returns to truth with humility, asking for forgiveness from their God, from their fellow human beings. It's not too late for any group of people that return to family, to community, to accountability, to self, accountability and responsibility. It is not too late. Because I have to tell you, I really strangely mean this. What an honor it is to live at this time. And after Charlie's death, I feel that way even more. We are living in historic times. What we do now will affect the lives of generations of people all over the world. 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We're going to talk to the head of ICE here in a minute. But the killer yesterday in Dallas that shot himself, his mother apparently had posted a series of anti gun rants on Facebook aimed at Republican lawmakers just a few years ago. And some of them were pretty nasty. You know, may you be reminded of the deaths every time you spend that precious blood money you receive from the gun, the gun lobby, yada, yada, yada. She goes on, and she's very angry about guns and there are many ways we can respond, but I wrote her a letter this morning. I write to you with a heavy heart reflecting on the events of yesterday at the Dallas ICE facility where your son Joshua took the lives of two migrants, wounded another and then ended his own life. I honestly cannot imagine the depth of your grief, losing your son in such a devastating way. We're all losing too much. Too many children, too many friends, too many shared dreams. I read your words, just a few from a few years ago, just this morning, expressing frustration with the gun laws and the pain caused by violence. To me it shows one a mom who cared deeply about the world her son was growing up in. You asked very pointed questions of leaders, holding them accountable for the tools of violence. And today, with respect and with kindness, I would just ask you to reflect on similar questions for yourself. Did the gun in your son's hand kill those people? Or was it your son's choice to pull the trigger? Did the gun that ended his life, Was that the gun's decision or your son's decision? And I wonder, as you grapple with your own anger towards systems and policies, whether that rage, dare I ask, might it have shaped Joshua's path? May it have shaped his own anger, his own ideology, his own actions? I know you don't seem to understand, but our rights, including the second Amendment, were born from a time when people feared unchecked, powered authoritarianism, which is, I think, what you're afraid of, or your son was afraid of. Governments that silence oppress decide who can live or die. And I don't know you at all, but I can't believe that you And I are that different in our hope that our children never face that kind of world. We both see it on the horizon, but at least one of us seems to recognize that it could happen from either side. But one side is really encouraging it. Fomenting the hate and the killing here. But it's not the gun. Never has been. Guns have been in America's story from the very beginning. In the 1960s, a kid, an 8 year old, could go be sent by his father to go buy bullets without question. But the society wasn't fractured. And when assassination shook us then we didn't turn to banning guns, we turned to healing the hate. That time period was followed by the Jesus revolution. It brought people together and for a moment we found common ground again. And we need to do that. I don't hold any anger toward you. I really feel for you as a parent. And I don't hold any anger on your son. You both have paid now at an unimaginable price. Caught in a tangle of rights and responsibilities in a society struggling to find love and compassion. But my hope is that you can find peace, forgive yourself and others, and perhaps one day work toward unity. We have to come back to shared principles, our universal rights given not by government, but by something greater. And together we can honor those. Honor all of them, including your son, that we have lost by building a world where love and not hate shapes our future. I think every day before I get on the air about my words.

Todd Lyons (22:14)

I.

Glenn Beck (22:15)

Pray for you every day. I pray that I hear you, that I understand you, that I can speak to you, that I can hold your arms up, that it can give you something of worth. And I pray every day for God to strengthen me. Because I am just like you. I am bluffing my way through this. Nobody's lived through this. It's my age. We haven't lived through these times. Others have and they made it. But we all just have to do our best. I just. I want to urge you to stop thinking so big and globally and start thinking small. Dream big, but think small. Just all you have to do is the next right thing. You usually know what that is. What is the next right thing? How I know what it is? It's usually the thing I don't want to do, but I know is right. Just do that every day. Just pile those up. This is Glenn Beck talking to the head of ice. Next. Your dog doesn't complain. He doesn't tell you when his stomach hurts or when his back hips are starting to go, or when his food makes him Feel slow, sluggish, bloated. He just powers through, you know, like he always has. But if you pay attention, the signs are all there. Less bounce, less running, maybe skipping a meal, turning down the ball. Rough greens is not a dog food. It's what dog food is missing. It's the nutritional supplement that you sprinkle on, filled with live probiotics, digestive enzymes, vitamins, minerals built to support energy, immunity, joint health and digestion. Your dog doesn't complain, but they just guard you. They guard your family. They wait by the door without fail. They love you without a word. So he'll never tell you when he's hurting, but you can give him something that'll help him feel better. Anyway, there's a reason ruffgreens is known as America's number one dog supplement right now. You can try it for yourself with a free Jumpstart trial bag. It's free. You just cover shipping. Go to ruffgreens.com ruffgreens r u f f greens.com use the promo code BECK and break the cycle today. He's your best friend. Love him. Help him live a longer, healthier life. Ruffgreens R U F F greens.com promo code beck.

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Glenn Beck (25:15)

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. Yesterday was at this time that we were dealing right down the street from these studios with another active shooting. This time it was at the Dallas ICE facility. Todd Lyons is with us now. He is the US Immigration and Custom and Customs Enforcement acting director. He's the head guy at ice. We're sorry for everything you guys are going through, Todd, and we thank you for your courage and, and willingness to serve every day. So thank you. Let's start there. How is.

Todd Lyons (25:48)

Thanks. I really appreciate it.

Glenn Beck (25:49)

How is everybody?

Todd Lyons (25:51)

You know, obviously everyone's really, you know, shaken up. It's a, it's a hard time right now. You know, unfortunately, there's so many threats against ICE agents and officers up over, you know, assaults are up over 1000%. I've never seen anything like this in my. But it's not going to deter the men and women of ice. I can tell you, out in Dallas today, they're out there doing enforcement operations, trying to get those criminal alien fugitives. So these kind of acts won't deter us, but it's definitely scary times.

Glenn Beck (26:21)

It is. I heard from two large people in my business that do what I do last night, and both of Them said the same thing, unbeknownst to each other, that they were both writing me, but they were both saying the same thing. Glenn. It's not going to stop me. But I'm afraid, I mean, this is, this is getting really bad. Every time I walk outside or I walk to some meeting or some stage thing, I'm afraid somebody's going to shoot me. And it's normal and natural, but it's those who continue to do it every day that deserve our applause and our, our deep, deep thanks. Do we have any new intelligence about the shooter, the motives, the networks, anything?

Todd Lyons (27:08)

No. So right now, the FBI is doing great in their investigation. They're going down every following, every lead, social media post, his associates, family. There's going to be a press conference today at 130 with the US Attorney down there in Dallas. So I don't want to get too far ahead of that, but obviously, you know, Director Patel posted that photo yesterday of the shell casing that had anti ice. And, you know, just from. I used to serve at the Dallas field office, that's where I started my career. And just looking at the photos from the scene, it's obvious this was an anti ICE attack with an attack on ICE law enforcement. He indiscriminately shot all the windows on the backside of the building, the lobby doors. You know, one thing that I think is kind of lost on a lot of it, too, is that the detainees weren't out of the vehicle. So he didn't know who was in those vehicles. He was just shooting at ICE vehicles. Those detainees were shot inside the vehicles. And I'm so proud of the men and women that were on the ground there because ICE officers and agents were actually on the fire. But they went back to that sally port and they, you know, rescued those detainees that were in those vans and started giving aid to those three that were injured. But, yeah, just looking at, from what I've seen already, this was a pure attack on ICE law enforcement and ISIS mission.

Glenn Beck (28:22)

How do you respond to some on the left and even those in the media on the left that are now saying, that's ridiculous, he wouldn't have put anti ICE on the bullets. That's, that's the, you know, that's the government trying to soup this up. This guy was clearly going after the immigrants.

Todd Lyons (28:41)

I mean, that's, I mean, it's just, it's just. I mean, it's disgusting and vile to even think that, you know, media outlets or elected officials would want to think that or kind of spin that if you just look at the whole scene itself and the whole situation. It was directed at ice. He just didn't randomly pick that building. One day you do, you know, you know the area. He knew where he was. And when you think about the shooting, you had i35 right there. People going to school, going to work. That's a high powered rifle. You know, those rounds went through the windows, wound up inside the lobby, inside the back walls, buried in American flag. He could have killed so many innocent people in that area. But he specifically chose that ICE facility. And for anyone to think that this was, this wasn't targeted on ICE and ICE law enforcement officers, then they're dead wrong.

Glenn Beck (29:35)

So the Trump administration is now going after. Antifa is a terrorist group, thank God, finally. But there's also groups like the Socialist Rifle Association. We were going to talk about the John Brown Club that just put flyers out on the campus of Georgetown University. Hey, fascist, catch the only political group that celebrates when Nazis die. Join the John Brown Club. Can you tell me the effects you think this and what we might be able to stop by going after some of these groups?

Todd Lyons (30:11)

You know, and that's, you know, we are dedicated to that president's mission on that, you know, One component of ICE's Homeland Security Investigations, we have some of the best special agents, criminal investigators. We are going to track the money, we are going to track these ringleaders, if you will. Right. I can give you an example. You know, we had protests this weekend in Chicago doing our Operation Midway Blitz. And you hear a lot of elected officials say they are out to, they're out there protesting, they're out there exercising their first Amendment right. But you don't go there and truck in shields, rocks, CS grenades, tear gas grenades. Right. That isn't the First Amendment. That right there is just domestic terrorism. And that's what we're focused on. We're focusing on those people that are supporting these groups, those people that are bringing in the material support. You know, when you look at half the people that were arrested for interfering with ICE operations, they're not from the local Chicago area. These people are coming from outside the local area who have no ties to the community. So these are professional agitators that are being brought in to impede or hurt my officers and agents. And we're dedicated that we're going to go out there and stop these. And we're so happy that President Trump has made Antifa a terrorist organization because we're going to use all of our law enforcement powers to go ahead and.

Glenn Beck (31:31)

Stop These attacks, there was a really despicable thing that came from Ilhan Omar, I think it was from Elon Omar where she said that ICE was holding a five year old autistic girl in Massachusetts to pressure the father to surrender. That's NBC reported it that way yesterday. NBC completely changed their story and reflected that. Can you comment on what really happened?

Todd Lyons (31:57)

Yeah, that was just pure ignorance on that outlet's part. That was not the case at all. This father, who obviously isn't going to win father of the year, was in a vehicle that had his daughter. The ICE officers and agents did not know the child was in there. They conducted a traffic stop. He fled the car. He fled the car and left the girl there. Pretty much, you know, gave the ICE officers and the agents involved the other federal partners two middle fingers and told them, you know, come get me. And he would not leave the residence even though we called, try to coordinate, try to negotiate. One great thing is the local police chief just came out in the Boston Herald and totally backed our story that our officers were great, took care of the girl, that this guy, this criminal alien was totally in the wrong. So it's that type of narrative that's out there really that's spinning up all this violence and hate against my brave men and women is when stories like this totally get distorted and most of the public, people like yourself or other outlets kind of report on it would never know what the true story is. They would always just think that ICE agents and officers are so evil that they would hold a five year old autistic girl hostage, if you will, right, to try to arrest her dad.

Glenn Beck (33:14)

You know, I saw the pictures that they finally published or before in the earlier story it said I surrounded this, she was surrounded by agents who were holding her. And then the pictures are released and there's one guy, I don't even know if he was an ICE agent, but there was one guy kind of standing near her. She was sitting on the bumper of a, of a truck drinking water. It was, it was completely not what they tried to make it appear. Let me play a piece of audio for you, came from Tuesday night and get your response. We're talking to Todd Lyons, he's U.S. immigration Customs Enforcement Acting Director. Listen to this. Gavin Newsom on Stephen Colbert. That's happening in the United States of America. Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars, people disappearing. No due process, no oversight, zero accountability. Happening in the United States of America today. People ask, well is authoritarianism. You're being hyperbolic. Bull. We're being hyperbolic. If you're a black and brown community, it's here in this country. And so I, I'm deeply proud that I had the privilege of signing the nation's first bill to address the issue of masking. Also to require you have simple identification. To your point, I mean, if some guy jumped out of an unmarked car in a van with a mask on, tried to grab me, I mean, by definition, you're going to push back. And so this, these, these are not just authoritarian tendencies. These are authoritarian actions by an authoritarian government. You saw what Stephen Miller said last week. This should put chills up. Fine. Called the Democratic Party an extremist organization, basically a terrorist organization. He's just catching up with Barack Obama and what he said in 2009 about the Republicans. Anyway, Todd, do you have any response to that?

Todd Lyons (35:03)

Yeah, and honestly, I think the governor's comments are disgusting. Criminal illegal aliens flock to his state because they know they can do their crimes there. You know, he said that and then the next day, looks what, look what happen happen at the ICE facility in Dallas. You know, he's saying that he would push back against, you know, masked men or jump over a van. Well, and also he says that people don't get due process. Every one of the individuals we arrest do get due process. Or in the cases of the ones that have final orders of deportation from years back, that they've ignored the rule of law. They had their due process, had every appeal possible, but they didn't leave the country yet. It's comments like that that are causing all the issues. I truly believe the governor shouldn't have said that. You know, to say that he's, you know, people should push back and he supports pushing back against ice, that's just totally wrong.

Glenn Beck (35:58)

Why do you have, do you have ICE markings or police markings on your vest or anything? Do you jump out of a van with no markings?

Todd Lyons (36:10)

No, that would never, ever happen. I would. I'm very proud of my, my media, media affairs, my public affairs and our social media team. We always post the worst of the worst. We always oppose what we're doing in the field. You see our arrest videos. The ICE agents and officers clearly mark. They have their badges on them. They have their badge numbers. They have what agency they work for. When other federal partners are with us. You can see clearly it's either ATF or dea. So it's a false narrative that's being put out there. And I would just say to any elected official, do a little bit of homework. I'd invite them to look at our social media page and actually see what we are doing, or better yet, even sit down and have a conversation with myself or other field leaders on the ground or come out and actually see one of our operations.

Glenn Beck (36:56)

It's sad because they already know this. I mean, that's the real sad part, is they know this. He's not stupid. He knows what's going on. And he also knows why. I mean, you tell me, why are ICE agents masking themselves?

Todd Lyons (37:09)

Well, I can tell you this, and it's happened to me. You know, me, my family, ICE officers and agents get docs and threatened continually. And I can tell you that we did a Large operation with U.S. secret Service in the governor state in California, in Los Angeles, where there was individuals that were taking photos using enhanced AI technology identifying them, posting their families Instagrams, their kids, Instagrams their addresses on telephone poles. You know, just in California, we had a deportation officer get followed to his residence while he was picking up his wife and kid to go to dinner and get attacked in his own driveway. That is why they have to wear masks. I'm not a fan of masks. They're not fan of masks. It's hot, it's uncomfortable. But I will support them to make sure that they get home safe every night and that their families are safe.

Glenn Beck (37:57)

Yeah, I would wonder why the governor hasn't ruled out all masks. I mean, I see the people fighting against you all the time. They're always masked.

Todd Lyons (38:06)

Yeah. And that's, you know, that's one of my biggest frustrations is here you go. You. You're taking the time to write a law in a state, yet we were out there battling night after night protesters in masks, helmets that were causing so much damage and so much violence in the city of Los Angeles, yet nothing is said about that. And it's almost their champions for fighting back against us and what our mission we were doing. It's disgusting.

Glenn Beck (38:32)

Todd Lyons. Todd, sincerely. We know what you're risking. We know what all of you are risking, and we thank God that you're doing it so we don't have to. But we pray for you and we deeply, deeply appreciate everything you guys are doing. Thank you.

Todd Lyons (38:48)

No, thank you so much. I really appreciate you. Tell the story of the brave men and women of ICE.

Glenn Beck (38:52)

You got it. Todd Lyons, U.S. immigration and Customs Enforcement Acting Director. He's the big bad fascist that everyone is worried about. And boy, doesn't he sound frightening. Back in just a minute. Here's something you might not have always considered. It's not always the big Moments that determine whether you feel safe in your home or not. Sometimes it's not the small ones. It's the, you know, the knock you don't expect, the shadow on the driveway, the window you forgot to lock. And in those moments, you either have a security system to ease your mind or you don't. And if you don't have one, you should. Simplisafe doesn't wait for trouble to make a scene. It catches it in motion. Cameras with smart detection sensors that trigger quietly but respond instantly 24. 7 monitoring. That is not just watching. It is ready to act. It's designed to blend in. No drilling, no strangers in your house for installation. Just a system you can set up yourself in under an hour. I've done it. It's. It's easy. And trust for years to come. The best security systems don't call attention to themselves. They watch, they listen. And when somebody crosses the line, they draw attention to that person, to the right people. So the right people know. Because sometimes the threat you don't see coming is the one that matters most. Visit simplisafe.com/back, claim 50% off a new system that simply safe.com/beck. There is no safe like Simplisafe. Glenn Beck.

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Todd Lyons (42:03)

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Glenn Beck (42:07)

Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We have Megan Kelly on in just a minute. She was in the University of Virginia. You know, we have all, we were asked by, by Erica Kirk, could you fill in for Charlie? And, and so many of us said, yes, we will, but I beg them, please. No, no, no, no. I don't, here's why. That's not what I do. I don't, I, I would lose my, I'd lose my cool way too fast. You know, just, I can't take it. I just can't take it. You know, you might have to have, you know, a blood pressure cuff on me the entire time and, you know, an ambulance standing by because I just might drop dead of a heart attack because I just can't take the stupidity. But anyway, she was asked some, well, she was asked about the rich Jews that are influencing, you know, all of our policies, which is, you know, that was great. She answered it really, really well. There were a couple of things, you know, you know, you guys are covering up. What the real motive is on Charlie Kirk's shooter. It wasn't from the left. And I just, I just want to ask her for advice on how she's, how did she do it? How did she do it? She's going to be joining us next. We're going to talk about that. We're also, she's going on another tour and she's invited me to do that with her as well. I think everybody's trying to kill me with a heart attack. I think that's what everybody's trying to do. But we'll talk to her in, in just a minute. This is Glenn Beck. Let me tell you about my Patriot supply. If you ever stood in a store during a crisis, you know what it looks like. Shelves are first to go. First the water, the canned food, the rice. Batteries gone in hours, sometimes in minutes. You see the same thing every single time. People panic, prices spike. Empty carts, empty shelves, empty promises. Trucks are coming. But here's the truth. When everyone else is buying in fear, the people who are prepared early don't. You don't have to you don't have to do. Relax, you're already covered. My Patriot supplies how you get ahead of the panic. And they built a reputation for providing high quality long lasting emergency food kits that can feed you and your family for weeks. Breakfast, lunch, dinners, all of it all sealed for long term storage. Designed to stay fresh for years and afloat in case it's a flood. When the grid goes, when the grid goes down, when a storm rolls in, when the world spins a little faster than you thought it would, you won't have to wonder do am I covered? Do I have it? September's National Preparedness Month. So don't wait around, get prepared. Right now you can get 90 preparedness essentials totaling over 1500 dollars absolutely free. Just head to my patriotsupply.com Glenn and get full details on that. My patriotsupply.com Glenn all right, Megyn Kelly, one of my favorite people on earth joins us next.

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It's great to be here. How you doing, Glenn?

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I am. I'm good. How did you do it last night? Because I have to do it in a couple of weeks, and I don't have the patience. I don't have the patience.

Megyn Kelly (47:58)

I know, I know. I'm excited that you're going. You know, it was a very interesting experience. I did not know what to expect. I had never done this with Charlie or otherwise, but he and I had been set to do it together at Virginia Tech. And, you know, frankly, I wasn't sure whether Turning Point would continue forward with the tour or not, obviously, given what happened. And when they said, we're doing it, of course I said, I'll be there. And so I didn't know what to expect, especially without Charlie. You know, when I agreed to do it originally, I was like, okay, I'll have Charlie there. So Glenn Youngkin was there, too. He was terrific. He kind of opened up and was perfectly on message. Just like a message of faith. That guy's got such a great future ahead of him. In any event, I went out there and the questions, Glenn, were so diverse. I mean, one guy asked me which Star wars trilogy was the best. The first three are the Revenge of the Sith. Another person asked me, would you rather be a human with a pineapple brain or a pineapple with a human brain? And then we started to get into, you know, politics and Trump, and we had a couple of adversarial questions, which was fun, but for the most part, I would say I'm sure it's just because it's so close to Charlie's death. It was students who loved him, students who wanted to hear more of his kind of messaging, and students who wanted to be reassured about their own future, the future of the Turning Point movement, and, of course, how to handle far leftism all over their college campus.

Glenn Beck (49:30)

So do you think this is kind of a setup? I mean, I think 10 days after the shooting of Charlie Kirk, that was the left on their best behavior. And it wasn't good behavior, but it was better than what I think is now happening and what is coming. And, you know, I've been talking about what's happening in South Korea and It looks like something we should really pay attention to because it looks like the. It looks like the playbook they're going for caused so much chaos that the government has to respond. And when you're causing the chaos, keep saying, they're authoritarians, they're fascists, they're going to lock everything down. And when there's no choice but to lock it down, then they say, see? And then the whole. Whole thing is on fire. Where do we go from here? What has changed? What's going back to normal? What is normal now when it comes to this kind of stuff?

Megyn Kelly (50:24)

I mean, I want to preface my remarks by saying, like you, I imagine I'm in sort of a weird place mentally still.

Glenn Beck (50:32)

Yeah.

Megyn Kelly (50:32)

After the Charlie assassination, and I think the kids call it based, others might call it radicalized, but I just have a pretty clear and strong view of what our side needs to do next. I'm not sure about the left, and I'm not even sure I care to spend much time thinking about them. Yeah, I. I really feel more strongly than ever that I don't care what they call us. We need to make them suffer.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (51:00)

Not.

Megyn Kelly (51:00)

Not physically, but with lawfare and even with some censorship in order to get things back to normal.

Glenn Beck (51:07)

What's the line on that? What's the line on that?

Megyn Kelly (51:11)

So we do need people to have actually committed crimes in order to go after them. We cannot have. I was not a fan of the President Trump tweet at Pam Bondi or whether that was a DM or whatever. If Pam Bondi doesn't find actual crime, she should not indict anybody. But if she finds crimes, our days of looking the other way are done. Our days of being benevolent, saying, oh, to heal the nation. We're not going to indict Hillary Clinton. No.

Glenn Beck (51:33)

Agree.

Megyn Kelly (51:33)

No, no. We've got to get tough.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (51:36)

Yeah.

Megyn Kelly (51:36)

And I think I'm in the minority, but I'm totally in favor of what Brendan Carr did last week, 100% in favor.

Glenn Beck (51:43)

So I am, too. And I felt I was alone. I am too.

Megyn Kelly (51:48)

Good, Glenn. They have to feel our pain. Why, whenever we're in control, do we take the high ground only to get beaten to a pulp again once they're back in control. And we continue to say, oh, these are our principles. We really. We're going to live them in order to make clear to everybody we really hold them, and then they just get used against us.

Glenn Beck (52:08)

Well, no, I don't want.

Megyn Kelly (52:10)

Now we've had a whole week of these leftists saying the things we say. About censorship and big government and free speech. And at least now we have them on record and they learned. So when they use it against us, the next time they're in power, we've got the receipts.

Glenn Beck (52:23)

I'm just not going to. I'm not going to change my principles, but I am not going to play by the rules that they're not playing by. You know, you're not going to not play by the rules and then say to me, you got to play by the rules. Screw you. Screw you. I'm going to play by the rules, but I'm going to use every rule we have to shut your nonsense down.

Megyn Kelly (52:45)

Amen. I couldn't agree more. It's about tactics. You and I haven't moved at all on our principles. We hate lawfare. We hate government censorship. We don't believe hate speech is problematic. It's perfectly legal. It's constitutional. It's kind of why the first Amendment was invented.

Glenn Beck (53:01)

Yes.

Megyn Kelly (53:02)

However, it's the left that's drifted from those principles, not us. And now the question is, how do we wrestle the country back to stasis, back to the old stasis prior to the left losing its mind. And I am really just firmly of the belief now that they must be brought to heel again, not with physical violence, but with the same tactics in terms of policy and approach in governing that they use against us. That is very clearly the only way forward.

Glenn Beck (53:28)

I just can't take. I just can't take the, you know, the, you know, they did everything they could to destroy me. They did everything they could to destroy you. I mean, it's a long line of all of us that they've done, and then they get a little boo boo on their knee for five days and all of a sudden, you know, Hitler is in office. I can't. Oh, wow. You had to sit at home making your $30 million for five days. Oh, that sucks.

Megyn Kelly (53:53)

Oh, Jimmy Kimmel picturing his life not under the klieg lights. Glenn, he couldn't take it. And those tears out on that stage were for him. What a joke. That crying, whiny baby. He has celebrated everyone on the rights cancellation. He danced on our professional graves. And he has the nerve to want us to feel sorry for him because he had a five year Dave Haid vacation. We don't.

Glenn Beck (54:21)

Yeah. Where is he with, With Roseanne. Where was he on Roseanne? Nowhere. Absolutely.

Megyn Kelly (54:26)

When.

Glenn Beck (54:27)

And they took her show away. They destroyed her.

Megyn Kelly (54:31)

Okay. Destroyed Roseanne and over. And people defended Jimmy by saying he's a comedian. So's Roseanne.

Glenn Beck (54:37)

Yeah, I know.

Megyn Kelly (54:37)

No one defended her. None of them. Let me take my situation because it happens to be apt here. When I got canceled at NBC for literally asking a question about blackface Halloween costumes and when it went why I grew up in the 70s and 80s, you could wear those like you wanted to honor Diana Ross or Michael Jordan and not get canceled. But clearly in, you know, the 2000s, things had changed. And that's, that was my question. I got me canceled. NBC. Did Jimmy Kimmel at the time come out and say, you know what, this is B.S. i've got to admit, I wore blackface many times. Jimmy did not. Not me that I've worn it repeatedly. At Karl Malone, I wore it as Oprah in a fat suit darning socks. When I was Karl Malone, I basically spoke in ebonics mocking black people. So this is wrong what you're doing to her. NBC, I don't support this. He didn't say a word. He let me twist in the wind. He like, why should any of us feel sorry for him? He's totally pro the cancellation of anybody whose politics he doesn't share. So I'm thrilled he felt some pain last week. His show is inflated now because of the controversy, but it will go back to its middling ratings and then ABC will almost certainly cancel it. But now they've got to put a little distance between today and that day.

Glenn Beck (55:54)

Let me talk about your tour because you, you invited me to come out on your Tour on Saturday, October 25th at the Dickey's arena in Fort Worth. What are you doing on your tour?

Megyn Kelly (56:08)

So I went on Tucker Carlson's tour as a guest last fall. I loved it. I had never done that before. It was so fun. Glenn.

Glenn Beck (56:17)

Yeah.

Megyn Kelly (56:17)

And that tour promoter was like, you should do this. I'm like, you know, I should do this. I don't get out enough. And I was so energized, like seeing our viewers and our fans, our listeners out there, it was just good for the soul. So that's what made me do it. And it's, it's just a 10 city tour. It's not huge. Could have been double that. And I was like, I don't have the energy and I'm a mom and that's too much for me. But ten I could do. So we picked some of our top cities and got some of our top people like you. And we're just going to go out, we're going to tape. It's basically we're going to tape an episode, but we're going to put a bunch of bells and whistles around it and make it, I hope, super fun, intellectually stimulating, you know, rowdy, and just a good time for the audience to come out and have a moment of levity and celebration.

Glenn Beck (57:00)

Yeah. I will tell you, I think this is what I enjoyed about the Tucker tour, and I think it's going to be even more so with yours. Is it just felt good to be in a group of a lot of people where you could relax and you could just be yourself and, you know, just. Just enjoy company of other people that, you know, think like you do without all of the hatred and everything else. Just enjoy yourselves.

Megyn Kelly (57:25)

Oh, so true, Glenn. It reminds me, in 2012, I was at the Republican National Convention, and I was a straight news person at the time, so I wasn't wearing my politics on my sleeve. But Ann Coulter walked into one of the back rooms where the Fox people were all getting ready, and I said, how you doing, Anne? And she said, I'm great. I'm in a sea of Republicans. I totally got it and get it.

Glenn Beck (57:54)

Even more so today.

Megyn Kelly (57:55)

Yeah, same.

Glenn Beck (57:58)

Megan, what was your takeaway from the weekend we were both there in Phoenix? What is the lasting. Is it lasting? What is the lasting thing you take away from all of this?

Megyn Kelly (58:14)

If there's two words I remember from that day that'll stay with me, they are Charlie's Army. That phrase really grabbed me, and I do think that's what's been unleashed these kids on these college campuses, the applications are up to, I think Andrew Colvitt said 122,000 now, 122,000 turning point chapters. There were 2,000 the day Charlie died. Two.

Glenn Beck (58:39)

I mean, I didn't know that. That's crazy.

Megyn Kelly (58:44)

Yes. There were, I think, 900 college campuses and 1100 high schools, and now we're up to 122,000. It's crazy how many young people feel motivated to say, these are my values and I'm no longer going to hide them or apologize for them. That's a sea change. You know, I just think Charlie's army will be a lasting legacy of Charlie Kirk. He said he wanted Turning Point to outlive him. None of us thought it would happen this soon, but he would be so proud. And I also think, you know, like Frank Turek, who spoke at the funeral, he actually came on last week, last Friday, and he said if you. He's a man of faith and he argues Catholic doctrine very effectively and was one of Charlie's mentors on it, a Christian doctrine, and he said if you went to Charlie and said, charlie, you're gonna have to make this sacrifice. It's gonna be incredibly painful for Erica and your children and your dearest friends and family. But you are going to inspire a whole generation of new evangelists, of new people of faith, of new Republican voters, of new and outspoken conservatives on campus. Your life's work has been achieved at age 31, he said, Charlie would have said, sign me up. And I believe that, Glenn. That was my takeaway from the weekend.

Glenn Beck (60:12)

I do, too. How do we get tickets to your tour?

Megyn Kelly (60:17)

Just go to MeganKelley.com Megan with a Y, M, E, G, Y, N because Linda did not know how to spell.

Glenn Beck (60:28)

Megan, I look at you and everybody that does what you do in a different way since Charlie's death, I, I kind of look at you as a firefighter. You're putting your boots on and you're running into the burning building, not away from it. And I have a tremendous amount of respect for you. So God, God be with you. Stay safe.

Megyn Kelly (60:47)

Back at you, my friend. Much love.

Glenn Beck (60:49)

You bet. Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly.com and get the, get the tickets and I'm going to be there. I mean, I don't. I have no idea. It can usually go right did with Tucker. It can go very awry with me because I usually don't follow the rules, depending on what's happening for the day. So join us, Megan and I. It'll be a blast. It's October 25th at the Dickies Arena. Get your tick tickets now for the Fort Worth Tour stop. October 25th, Dickey's Arena. Megan Kelly.com all right, back in just a minute. The world isn't safe anymore. Every time you step out of your door, you feel at the edges the tension, the constant push to defend your values and your family. It's a battle you need a place to retreat to. Not just four walls, but a true sanctuary. That's what home should be. And Cozy Earth helps make that happen. They're bedding, their bath products, the loungewear, they're just not comfortable. They're transformative. Built from premium breathable fabrics that stay cool and soft night after night, wash after wash, is not that they just last. It's. They last beautifully. The texture, the quality, the way the fabric moves against your skin, it says, you're safe here. You're home. In a world that feels hard, fast, and unrelenting, comfort is a luxury. It's. It's not just a luxury. It really is a line of defense. It is. It's a Thing that allows you to let your guard down, even if it's just for a few hours. You your home with cozy earth cozyearth.com use the promo code beck get 40% off their joggers, their pants or shirts, everything. If you get a post search, post purchase survey, tell them you heard it here with Glenn Beck. It's cozy earth cozyearth.com built for real life. 10 seconds station ID okay. Welcome to the program.

Stu (62:48)

I say, Glenn, I stand up as one who's happy that Megan has changed from the, you know, what she described at the beginning as straight journalist to someone who wears her politics on her sleeve. Yeah, I'm really happy about that change. It's like she was great when she did that.

Glenn Beck (63:05)

She's a powerhouse.

Stu (63:06)

But I really like having someone like her on her side. That is something I've grown to appreciate quite a bit.

Glenn Beck (63:13)

Yeah. And there's some real, I mean, Stu, you remember we were looking for brave people. We've been looking for a very long time for brave people who will actually stand up and say it out loud. That's not the case anymore. There's a lot. There's a lot. And they're very good.

Stu (63:34)

It's impressive and I think it's even.

Glenn Beck (63:36)

You raised your standards, America. Congratulations.

Stu (63:38)

Yeah, that's good.

Glenn Beck (63:39)

Congratulations.

Stu (63:39)

That's good. Can I ask, can I follow up on a question? Moment in that interview, though, you were talking about the Jimmy Kimmel thing and she described kind of going after people with lawfare and things like that and the Jimmy Kimmel thing specifically. And you said, I 100% agree.

Glenn Beck (63:57)

I 100% agree with what I understood her to say about Brandon Carr. I think Brandon Carr last week was right. He was saying, I'm not changing the rules. I am allowing local state to make the local decision. They have to make the local decision if they don't want to carry the show because it's because the fcc, the whole thing is community standards. You have to hit community standards. Well, which community? Los Angeles, New York.

Todd Lyons (64:28)

Right.

Stu (64:28)

Well, first of all, I mean, I mean, I think they many would argue he went farther than that by saying, you know, the we'll do this the easy way or the hard way. Right. That wasn't just, hey, local decisions, channels make a decision on your own was the FCC is going to get involved. And he kind of stated that multiple times.

Glenn Beck (64:45)

Yeah, I know. And but how I interpreted it was making sure that local standards matter and local stations can make their, their own decisions and calls because they're the ones that hold the license, they're not going to be dictated to by a network.

Stu (65:05)

Right. And that is true. That's certainly true.

Glenn Beck (65:10)

Mostly.

Stu (65:10)

Although there's agreements, and I know we've talked about this a little bit off the air, but there are agreements that these stations, these carriers sign that require them to do all that.

Glenn Beck (65:19)

And they have to do whatever their contract, whatever they sign, you gotta live up to that.

Stu (65:23)

But I think too 100% seems to think you want to keep these powers in place.

Glenn Beck (65:30)

Oh, no, I would. Okay, good point. Thank you. You, I'd like to abolish the fcc. I like to abolish all of these regulatory agencies. Abolish them because they are nothing but tools in the hands of greedy, small, little people that only want control over your life. And I want them all abolished. But that's, you know that that's going to happen. Yeah, that's gonna happen. But that's what we should be striving for.

Stu (66:03)

It would be interesting to, I haven't really seen too much of an appetite for this, but to just propose these things, make the left say no. Someone like rand Paul, who 100% believes in getting rid of the FCC. I'm sure of it. I'm certain of it. Probably Ted Cruz as well, putting a proposal forward and daring the Democrats to vote against it as they're talking about the worst censorship in U.S. history.

Glenn Beck (66:26)

Good, let's get rid of it. Vote against it. Yeah, they won't, but you know they won't and that would expose them. And I would love at least each.

Stu (66:32)

Of that get that.

Glenn Beck (66:33)

I would love to do that. Because what they want to do is complain about it and then have the tool. That's what this is. Where I disagreed. I said, wait a minute, where's the line? You know, I, I, I don't want us to put new tools in or dust off tools that you're using for, with your own interpretation. Right, because, because they will use it. I'm just not going to have the tools in the box that are legal. And they go, you know what? No, I'm gonna be better than that. No, I'm sorry, I'm gonna use them to shut you down. With that said, I'd love to abolish all of the rules. What do you say you join us? This is Glenn Beck, NMLS 1,823.

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Glenn Beck (68:57)

This is the Glenn Beck program. I saw J.K. rowling say something the other day. She gave a couple of definitions and I wanted to add to it. She said, if you believe that free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're a liberal. If no contrary evidence you could could change your belief, you're a fundamentalist. If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you are a totalitarian. If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you are a terrorist. I think those are pretty clear definitions that we should all kind of hang our hat on. If you can't agree with those things, if free speech is for you but not others who disagree, you don't believe in liberal principles. And I mean that.

Stu (69:55)

Yeah, that's the thing. The only thing I would say when you say clarity, illiberal is a term in academic circles people are very, you know, familiar with, but I think the.

Glenn Beck (70:05)

Average person, it says you're not truly for freedom.

Stu (70:08)

Right.

Glenn Beck (70:08)

That okay, if, you know, if, if nothing will change your mind, nothing will change your mind, then you are a fundamentalist, Period. So clear state should punish those with contrary views. That's totalitarianism. Political opponents should be punished with violence or death. That's a Terrorist. Those are easy. However, if. If you believe every man, no matter their color, their station, their creed, their religion, they have the same right as every other man and woman. And all of the responsibilities that come with those rights, such as standing up to defend others with whom you disagree, you're open to other points of view. You're willing to change your mind. If the evidence or truth is shown to you, then I think that makes you an American. And the best thing about being free and being an American and about life, the way it actually works is you get to choose. Those are the definitions. You get to choose which one are those? Which one are you? Which one? You know, so many people don't think they have a choice, but they do. Every day you have a choice. Every day you can reset. You know, your body completely changes. Every cell changes. Like, every seven years, you're a completely new body. Every seven years. You can change your thinking and change your life so quickly. I have seen it. I've done it myself. I've seen it happen. I've seen what Charlie Kirk chose to do. I saw him when he was young. He chose. He didn't. He didn't go to college. He wasn't indoctrinating. He chose to study every day. He chose what he wanted to learn and who he wanted to be. And look at how he. Because he applied himself relentlessly every day. That's a huge commitment. Look at who he turned on to. Why can't you do that? Why can't I do that? The answer is, you can. I can. You can change or choose your thinking and change your life. What kind of society do you want to live in? Do you want to live in a peaceful, law abiding, free society? If you do, then you have to choose the thoughts in your own life every day that will create that society. And by saying you don't have a right to speak, and I do, if I disagree with you, you should be killed. You're not creating that. Your thoughts are out of line. And that's really what's happening. Because there's a. There is, and it's truly mental illness. It is truly mental illness. Let me speak to those women who are chugging Tylenol because of science. You're not doing it because of science. You did it as performance. You. You did it to mock, to score points. But the point you're making is not the point you think you're making, because you most likely were one of the people that were demanding lockdowns. You insisted that we listened to the studies and we trust the experts. Even when the experts didn't know their butt from their elbow, when the experts continued to contradict themselves every week, you said, no, if you question this, you're killing children and grandparents. And you demanded compliance. But now the same class of officials in exactly the same roles say, perhaps you should use caution with Tylenol in pregnancy. Not a ban, not a mandate, just you should use caution. And suddenly it's like Adolf Hitler is telling you that you can never have a baby. I mean, it is. What. Do you see any contradiction in your actions here? Same roles, just different scientists. Same roles. What we said was, I don't want to listen to those. I can. I see what they're saying, but I disagree with that. Then they come out. These new ones come out after you say, no, no, no, you should be. You should.

Todd Lyons (74:25)

You.

Glenn Beck (74:25)

You shouldn't even be treated. Glenn Beck. If you go into a hospital, you shouldn't even be treated like a human being should be treated because you didn't follow the rules. So you're out. I'm saying this is a suggestion from the same people in the same roles. But now you don't like it. And should we treat you in the hospital if you're going in and something's happening with your baby because you took too much Tylenol? Of course. Of course we should treat you. Of course we should. This isn't principle. On. When you're gobbling the Tylenol on this, don't you see the contradiction here? It's not principle. It's not science. It's just, for you, it's all about power. When your side rules, then it's okay. You can, you can. You can tell everybody you can't defy it, but if somebody else rules, you can defy it. That's not integrity. That's hypocrisy. And hypocrisy erodes so much more than trust. It feeds chaos. And look around you. Look around you as you're gobbling the Tylenol. Look around you. Assassins are coming out from the shadows. Acts of violence that make no sense. No sense. People being pushed out of reason into madness. A society that is truly unraveling at the edges. We've seen this before. We saw this in Rome. Final century politics became a blood sport. People were cheering on other humans being eaten by lions. It was a blood sport. The Senate no longer debated things. Not in reason. It was just mobs in the streets, daggers settled, arguments when words couldn't. That's. That's where we're headed. Weimar Germany. Neighbors turned. Turned into enemies. Neighbors did. Hypocrisy turned into absolute fury and eventually total collapse. 1850s, same here in America. Rage, people calling each other all kinds of things. And then we had civil war. And you're still fighting the same civil war. Was it about states rights or was it about slavery? Come on, man, it's not that hard. It's not that hard. Let me ask you, for those who are chugging the Tylenol, how far away are you from that breaking point? Because you seem very close. From mockery to madness is not a long road. It's not. How much hate, how much hypocrisy does it take to nudge you into one more step to violence. A week, a year, one spark. I don't know. You may not think that you would do that, but did you think you would be gobbling Tylenol to make a political point ever? Would you ever have thought, I'm going to be really proud someday. I'm going to. I'm just going to go on an unhinged rant and just take fistfuls of Tylenol because they said that you should be cautious with it. Where is the logic in that? So don't tell me you can't get there, because look where you are. The truth is only humility is going to fix this. You got it? And we all have to do it. I was wrong to demand obedience then. I'm wrong to mock caution now. You have to be willing to stand on principle. Freedom requires consistency and honesty. And that's the only thing that will reverse the spiral. Man, are you a pawn in a performance. A woman just trapped in tribal rage? What is that? Become a citizen. Become a human again. Become somebody who listens ways, reasons, chooses, chooses for yourself. Stop listening to the mass. Stop listening if listening to me. And you're like, you know what? Everything he says is right. You're a moron. Form your own opinions. Go do your own homework. Study it yourself. These are my opinions. I own these opinions. What's yours? If we don't start doing that, then history tells us exactly what comes next. And I promise, none of us want to live through that. And by the way, I don't know if you've heard. We have Jay Bhattacharya on with us next hour. We're going to talk about this Tylenol thing. Did you hear about the woman who was making the point with Tylenol? She's now in the hospital. Overdose. We hope she's okay. Maybe we'll have an Update next hour. But does that seem reasonable? 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Glenn Beck returns in a jiff. We see the the latest trend for adults under stress. And when I say adults, I.

Stu (82:11)

Alcohol.

Glenn Beck (82:12)

I would like. No, that's. That would be an adult thing to do. That would be an adult thing to do. Yeah. Pacifiers.

Stu (82:20)

Oh, really?

Glenn Beck (82:22)

Adult pacifiers. Some of them as expensive as $70.

Stu (82:28)

Really?

Glenn Beck (82:28)

Yeah. And adults. Again, air quotes. Adults are saying it gets them through the day because it just gives them the comfort of being a child. You know what? Grow up. You're not a child anymore. You're not a child. I know it might have seemed like a great thing to be a child when everyone else was bearing the burden for you. You know, I. My childhood. I just remember childhood was so easy. Yes, because mom and dad were paying for everything. Mom and dad protected you from everything that you saw, Everything that was bad out there. Of course. Childhood was sweet. You don't have mom and dad taking care of it. You're supposed to be doing that for somebody else. Now it's called adulthood. Grow up.

Stu (83:16)

Well, another additional point on. On this. On this front, let me give you a quiz. It'll be a tough one.

Glenn Beck (83:22)

Okay.

Stu (83:23)

Which stock has risen the most since COVID Okay. Choice number one. Microsoft. Choice number two. Nvidia. Choice number three. Palantir. Choice number four. Build a Bear Workshops.

Glenn Beck (83:44)

You've got to be kidding me. Please don't tell me it's Build a Bear Workshop.

Stu (83:48)

Build a Bear by a mile. 2200%. And they say one of the big reasons is now 40% of their business. 40% of their business are adults by themselves. 40% of their business are adults coming in and doing Build a Bear by themselves with no children.

Glenn Beck (84:13)

I don't know what I gotta tell you. I mean, we've had a political assassination, and even I found hope after that. I don't know if I can find hope after that. I don't. I don't know. 40% of the people in Build A Bear. You're pathetic. You're pathetic. Look, life is hard. It's really, really, really hard. Being an adult is really hard. You know, my son. My son was like, dad, it's. You know, it's so hard. And I'm like, cry me a river. Cry me a river. Yeah, that's what it's like, son. That's what it's like. And, you know, you just need to understand. Mommy and Daddy have done their job, and we did the best we could, and we probably screwed a lot of things up. And you know what? Don't be so high and mighty, because you're going to do it to your kids. And maybe in completely different ways. Maybe exactly the same way, but you're gonna do it, too. It is the story of life. And then you grow up and you have to be there for other people. You're not a baby. You're not. You wanna be in a little crib with a pacifier, then you know what? We need to institutionalize You. You're a little baby. You. Oh, I want my teddy bear. What is wrong with you? Any man. Any man that has a pacifier or a teddy bear, I'm not going to object with you being in the girls restroom. I'm not gonna do it. You got a pacifier and a teddy bear. That's probably where you belong.

Stu (85:53)

Don't tempt. Don't tempt.

Glenn Beck (85:54)

Grow a set, man. Grow a set. Grow up. This is Glenn.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (86:10)

Becky.

Glenn Beck (86:53)

Stand your ground when turning the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. There's a lot to talk about. I just told you about a nurse, that a woman. This story is being told by a nurse woman that was decided to make fun of Donald Trump and just gobble down handfuls of Tylenol just to show how stupid the president was. She was pregnant. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital. They don't know if she's gonna make it. She's on a ventilator now. Now, if I would like to be like the people that she. I have a feeling was during COVID I mean, you know, got to follow the rules. Got to follow the rules until you don't agree with the people who are making the rules. And then you sound like us, and you're like, why should I have to follow those rules? I don't. I don't think that's true. But she went the step further. She. She decided just to prove Donald Trump an idiot. She takes those, and now she's on a ventilator. And if I may just say what she probably would have said during COVID Why are we using that ventilator on somebody who didn't understand the rules? Why not save that ventilator for somebody? You see how insane this is? See how nuts the world is getting? We'll continue here in just a second. First, there's new information out about the shooter yesterday. Not going to go well for the left. But first, let me tell you about chapter. The Medicare enrollment window is about to open.

Stu (88:33)

Yay.

Glenn Beck (88:34)

Which means all the sales pitches are coming. And meanwhile, the rules have changed again just because the government loves you. Coverage options have shifted, prices have moved, benefits got added, some of them taken away, and you're supposed to figure it all out on your own.

Stu (88:48)

Yay.

Glenn Beck (88:49)

This is where chapter comes in. They are not a sales team. They are independent Medicare advisors who take the time to walk you through your specific plan, your current coverage, and what the options are actually available to you right now. Sometimes that means switching plans. Sometimes it means staying right where you are. But either way, you walk away with real clarity. The service is completely free. It takes about 20 minutes. And right now their phones are starting to fill up fast because everybody needs to help all at once. So whether you're on Medicare or soon will be, give them a call. You're already on the right plan, they'll tell you. If not, they'll help you switch. If your parents are doing this, you want to help them out, get on the phone with Chapter. It's easy, Easy, completely free. Review your options in 20 minutes. Dial pound 250. Say the keyword chapter. Pound 250, keyword chapter. For peace of mind. All right, Stu, what do we have? As the latest on the shooter, we.

Stu (89:41)

Have an update from Kash Patel, who has gone through a bunch of different things. He says they're in process. They're looking at all the writings. They are offering timely updates as promised. Here's what they offer. The perp downloaded a document titled Dallas County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management containing a list of DHS facilities. He conducted multiple searches of ballistics and the Charlie Kirk shot video between 9:23 and 9:24, which is a couple days, the day leading up to the actual shooting.

Glenn Beck (90:15)

Did you actually see that shot video, the Charlie one?

Stu (90:18)

Yeah, unfortunately I did.

Glenn Beck (90:20)

Yeah.

Stu (90:21)

I initially had seen a. I try to avoid all these things.

Todd Lyons (90:24)

I know.

Glenn Beck (90:24)

You know, me too.

Stu (90:25)

I had initially seen one from quite a distance and I was, you know, there was hope in my heart for some. Some good outcome. And then someone had posted, you know, again, I wasn't looking for it, it just was in my feed and I saw it.

Glenn Beck (90:39)

And I saw it once, and the.

Stu (90:41)

Second I saw it, I was like, there's just no way.

Glenn Beck (90:42)

Yeah.

Stu (90:43)

It just doesn't seem possible he could have survived that.

Glenn Beck (90:45)

But I saw it once and I never want to see it again.

Stu (90:48)

Never want to see it again. And it still sort of haunts me moment, you know, I wish. I really wish I hadn't seen it, but it was immediately I knew only a miracle could save him after something like that.

Glenn Beck (91:00)

Yeah, well, this kid was searching for that and watching it over and over again. What do you think that's going to do to you?

Stu (91:09)

Between 819 and 824, he searched apps that tracked the presence of ICE agents. This is an interesting development that's happened on the left. And they say we should play the Gavin Newsom thing maybe later on again this hour because I'm so fascinated by it. But this is what the left is doing, they're saying there's masked people in unmarked vans pulling up, disappearing people, making them go away forever with no due process and no monitoring. And so that type of activity, what people like Gavin Newsom have done, have put the left into action to make things like apps that track where ICE agents go, where they're spotted, where they're seen. These people who are fathers and husbands that would love to go home to their kids at night but now are being targeted. Now what's happening here is he was searching for those to try to identify allegedly people for him to kill. And so we now, now have that as a known fact, at least according to Kash Patel. One of the handwritten notes he recovered read, quote, hopefully this will give ICE agents real terror to think is there a sniper with rounds on that roof? Further accumulated evidence, this point indicates a high degree of plea pre appla. Pre attack planning. Excuse me. So the idea that this is some sort of right winger is nonsense. The idea that it is some sort of. Of gamer culture edgelord is again, I think that's possibly part of it. But clearly this person came at it with an agenda very close to the one expressed by Gavin Newsom on a talk show last night. It is a left wing agenda.

Glenn Beck (92:56)

And his mother seems pretty angry. I mean his mother has a history of writing things about the government that are very, very lefty and very angry.

Stu (93:09)

Now I know the rules, Glenn, are pretty clear, right. We look at the parental posts and we assign those exact politics to the kids.

Todd Lyons (93:18)

Right.

Stu (93:18)

That's the way we do this. That's the way we did it after the Charlie Kirk thing. So I assume that that's still in place. It's only been a couple weeks.

Glenn Beck (93:24)

No, we didn't do that. Oh, you know, and they're not going to do it this time.

Stu (93:27)

Oh, this time it doesn't apply.

Glenn Beck (93:29)

And it, but it doesn't apply to us this time either. Just like it didn't with Charlie Kirk. You don't. The, you know, you can say that. You can ask the question, was there any influence there? If the home is. Is angry and is anti government and. But you don't know.

Stu (93:50)

Yeah.

Glenn Beck (93:51)

Is there. Is. Was there any influence in that? I don't know. But. I don't know.

Stu (93:56)

But posts who would draggery were angry had nothing to do with looking like anything like this. It was.

Glenn Beck (94:02)

No, no, no. I agree.

Stu (94:03)

More normal left wing politics. It was not anything to do with this and I really hesitate to put any. It's really difficult to know at this point.

Glenn Beck (94:11)

Yeah. And. But I don't. I'm not. You're not guilty for the sins of your children. Nope. And they're not guilty for the sins of the father.

Todd Lyons (94:18)

Right.

Glenn Beck (94:19)

That's not the way we do things. But to try to understand our society, you know, Because I will tell you that he was influenced by something. He didn't come out this way, you know, come right out of the womb. He's like six years old. Like, I want to kill ICE officers. It's not happening. So what were the influences?

Stu (94:38)

I'm also disturbed. He came out of the womb at 6 years old.

Glenn Beck (94:40)

Well, why.

Stu (94:41)

That's really disturbing.

Glenn Beck (94:43)

I think his mom was really angry. Right.

Stu (94:47)

Take too much Tylenol.

Glenn Beck (94:47)

Is that why? I don't know.

Stu (94:52)

But, yeah, I think you're right. Clearly, we don't blame the parents for.

Glenn Beck (94:58)

I feel bad for the parents most of the time.

Stu (95:00)

I mean, there are some exceptions to that, like abusive relationship, but there's no evidence at this point of anything like that.

Glenn Beck (95:05)

Any parent that is a parent of a child today, you are in such uncharted waters. You are fighting for your life. If everything that you thought you knew is no longer true. Actually, it is, but you're being told it's not true. You're being told that your kids could commit suicide if you disagree. And you know what, Whatever. All the things that are going on, to raise a child today is the hardest thing I've ever tried to do. And to make it out with your children intact is. I mean, that. That's quite an accomplishment. Your children, you lose them because of whatever, you know, you're. You're not alone. And I have to tell you, I. I wrote a letter to this mom. I read it on the air earlier today. I really feel for the mom and dad in. In Utah, and I feel for the mom in this shooter. I really do. They. They lost somebody too. And if you're a normal human being, you are automatically saying, what did we do wrong? How did we miss this? Yeah, she was very anti gun. So I can tell you right now, she most likely is saying, how did I miss this? I'm anti gun. My son just goes out and shoots people with a gun. He becomes the kid. Now, maybe she's still blaming the gun. I don't know. I don't know. But I can guarantee you they're questioning themselves, and that's hell. To lose a child, I think, would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to you. Beyond that, to lose a child like that, you'd be like what did I do? And you'd carry that the rest of your life.

Stu (96:47)

And we've seen, you know, liberal parents and conservative parents with the Charlie Kirk shooter go through this. Right. Like it's not. It's not a. That is unfortunately not a partisan thing. It's got nothing to do with it. But I will say one thing that she had posted. You read some of her stuff earlier and this is. I don't know what this means exactly, but I had this thought multiple times and I've had it multiple times as I go online since the Charlie Kirk thing, which is there's a little genre of normal, normalized Internet posting about politics that we do, both sides do. It's essentially what she did in her poster about the guns, which was Greg Abbott. There's been all these murders and deaths in our state and you will not step up and stop the guns. Right. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, normal left wing point on guns. But it went into something to the effect of. I'm not quoting directly, but it was something to the effect of my hope. I pray that you feel the pain and the blood on your hands for everything that you have. Have done. And, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Glenn Beck (97:59)

And.

Stu (97:59)

And that is super common. I don't.

Glenn Beck (98:03)

And super normal.

Stu (98:04)

It's super normal. But I really think we should try to make it abnormal. Don't.

Glenn Beck (98:10)

If you might.

Stu (98:10)

You might have done this. We all might have done this at some point.

Glenn Beck (98:14)

But like, I'm sure I have.

Stu (98:15)

Bringing on whatever you're bringing on. When you say I pray you feel blood on your hands is not something.

Glenn Beck (98:24)

You want to call into reality.

Stu (98:27)

Into reality. Whether you believe whatever the higher power is, you believe in whatever that is. You know, I see a lot of that type of stuff and I don't know exactly how it works, but I don't want to find out. I don't want to call that out and say I pray. I hope you feel what you have done. Like, I don't know, man. It's like, that is the type of stuff that I don't want to bring into my world, if I can at all avoid it. So I would ever recommend against that particular practice.

Glenn Beck (98:54)

There's your Today's Mojo recommendation from Stu. I agree with you 100%. Goes back to what I was talking about earlier. Choosing your thoughts. Be careful. The thoughts you think we have. I can't remember. It's some ungodly like 80,000 advertisements. You see, you have like 80,000 impressions of an ad or a logo or something every day. 80,000. What? How you're seeing it all the time, you just don't know it. The thoughts that you have, they're all creative, all of them. Whatever it is you're thinking, it's going to create. When you're like wishing ill on people, it's. They may never have the ill on them, but it will manifest itself in your life. It's a poison. It's a poison. And we have to start thinking about things more in those terms. This is, you know, this is a spiritual battle.

Stu (99:57)

Yeah. And it's about what you intake to. Let me, let me throw another thing by you because there was a big piece that came out from somebody on the left basically trying to say this isn't a left wing killer.

Todd Lyons (100:08)

Right.

Stu (100:08)

And the theory is not, in this case, it was a right wing killer. Like that's not really even being attempted. But what they're trying to do is this is a gamer culture. Got the issue. He's on discord all the time. They went through his, like, gameplay numbers. Like you could go and view how much he's played. One game, he had played something like 3500 hours. Hours. 3500 hours. Another one, 1500 hours. Another one, 1000 hours. All shooters. And I am not of the view that generally speaking, video games cause these things. I don't think even violent video games, I don't think the evidence is particularly strong in that realm. But what crossed my mind looking and reading those numbers was forget what the thing is, anything you immerse yourself in for that much time is bound to change you in one way or the other. And, you know, thousands and thousands of hours, it's food.

Glenn Beck (101:11)

Every thought, every image is food. That's the way your brain looks at it. Feed me. Feed me, Seymour. Feed me. What are you going to feed me? What are you looking at? What are you thinking? Feed me. Feed me. Feed me. Feed me. So you're feeding it all the time, and we feed it garbage all the time. And then we wonder why we have garbage coming out of our heads because that's what we're feeding it. You know, I go back to Charlie again. Look at what he was feeding his brain with. He was feeding with the classics and Plato and Cicero and Jesus, you know, constantly, constantly feeding it.

Stu (101:49)

How many courses did he finish at Hillsdale?

Todd Lyons (101:52)

19.

Glenn Beck (101:52)

19.

Stu (101:53)

19 different courses.

Glenn Beck (101:54)

19 different courses on his own. They didn't even know he was doing it on his own. He just completed it. And look at the product that, that, that came out of that, you know, and you can sit and you can whine. And I do it all the time to sit and whine and go, oh, I don't want to do all that. I'm going to change. I'm going to change. And then you don't do it. You know, you got to do it. You just have to do it. You know, the best thing you can do is just start feeding yourself new food, feed yourself different music, uplifting music, feed yourself, you know, uplifting art and entertainment. Don't, don't get bogged down into all of the darkness. Don't feed your brain and your soul differently and watch how different your life will be back in just a minute. Israel is under attack. And the people who suffer most are not the politicians or the generals. 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Get more information about how you can join the Flags of Fellowship movement just visit Flags Fellowship online and@ifcj.org ifcj.org 10 seconds. Back to the show. So the John Brown Club is, is been papering Georgetown University with these flyers that say, hey, fascists, catch. Which is what was on one of the bullets that killed Charlie Kirk. And then the flyer reads, on. The only political group that celebrates when Nazis die, join the John Brown Club. And it has code to join. They're all over. They're all over the University in Washington, D.C. do you know who John Brown was? You remember that name? You probably remember. You might remember it it because I can guarantee it was a name and a date you were supposed to remember because write this down, kids. John Brown's going to be on the test. He was a very famous abolitionist, he and his sons and fought hard against, you know, slavery. So he's got to be noble, right? No, no, no. Then he just started shooting people and he became a terrorist and he was arrested and the country fought for a little while. Is he right? Is he wrong? He set the movement back, but he was wrong. He was a terrorist. Okay, just. If you don't get your way, start killing people. That's not the way to solve it. That's the exact opposite of how things are solved. Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Abraham Lincoln. That's the opposite of way to solve things. Well, they're now bringing his name back for the John Brown Club. And what the John Brown Club advocates is for violent resistance. They no longer think that. Well, let me just read it from their own form. We're building a community that's done with ceremonial resistance and strongly worded letters. If you want to make a real change in your community, let us. Let us now something below. I don't know what that means. John Brown Club formed in Topeka, Kansas in 2002. Chapters have emerged across the nations. Now, I'm sure, I am sure they are going to be looked into. Now. According to its social media accounts, it's unclear if it's connected to the group that posted the flyers at Georgetown. Chapters X account was active. Two months earlier, it doxed several Maryland residents protesting outside of a drag queen story hour in Silver Spring. It also leveled threats at the Supreme Court, writing, the Supreme Court justices should know no moment of comfort. Have you heard that before from some of our sitting senators and congressmen. Don't ever let them up. They should never know peace. They should know that they can't go into any place and be safe like other John Brown Club chapters. DC affiliate encourages its members to own and train with firearms, at one point tweeting, no one needs an AR15 is an interesting thing to say in a country full of fascists. They also were, you know, advertising community self defense for trans and queer folks. Robinson confessed to murdering Kirk and text sends to his transgender roommate and romantic partner. And let's not forget, a man who attempted to kill Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh now goes by the name Sophie. So what are the connections here? We don't know. But hopefully the government will be looking into the John Brown Club as well. This is Glenn Beck. Well, they were the ones that firebombed the ICE facility in Tacoma. And they were the ones that did the. They opened fire at the ICE facility here in Texas just a couple of months ago. Same, same group. Good ranchers. You know, it's wild. The label on that all American steak you bought at the grocery store, probably lying to you under the current rules, a company can import foreign meat from overseas, process it here, and still slap a sticker product of the USA label on it. That's not just me misleading, that is a lie. 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Stu (109:01)

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Glenn Beck (109:07)

Jay Bhattacharya next. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. The world has gone insane and people are now just swallowing handfuls of Tylenol just to, I guess, prove Donald Trump wrong or what. I don't know what it is. It's just, it's a lack of sanity, I think. We have one person now in the hospital. She was making one of these videos. She was pregnant, she swallowed a handful and now she's on a ventilator. You know, Tylenol, we all know this. It's, it's, it's good for you to some degree, too much and it's really, really bad for you, you know, and I don't understand. I do not believe that the, the NIH director was ever saying, you know, it's bad, it's evil, you can't ever take it. No, it was a recommendation and we can find out now because Dr. J. Bhattacharya is with us now. Doctor, how are you, sir?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (110:26)

I'm good, Glenn. So, so good to be on the show with you. Really honored by the invitation.

Glenn Beck (110:30)

Oh, you're doing a fabulous job. You really are. And I can't thank you enough. Can you please sort through this madness on Tylenol?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (110:39)

First of all, what you started with, it's absolutely heartbreaking. If you're listening. Don't overdose. Don't take too much Tylenol. I mean, it's well known to cause liver toxicities if you overdose. For if you're not pregnant and you have a headache or you have a fever, it's fine. Just take it at the right dose. Don't overdo it, and certainly don't overdo it to make some ridiculous political point. It's just heartbreaking to hear that story of someone whose liver failed because of some crazy politics. The key thing that we found that led to the announcement is that there's been a whole sort of range of research in recent years that establishes that there's this association between taking Tylenol late in pregnancy and subsequent neurodevelopmental conditions like autism, like adhd. There's a big fight in the literature over how strong that association is. So some people think it's really strong and other people think it's less strong. In my review of the literature, I thought that there's enough there to tell people, especially pregnant women, to be careful with it. If you have a high fever and there's no other way to manage it, then, yeah, you should, with the advice of your doctor, take, take some so that you can manage the fever, which itself is also bad for kids and for moms. But if you. If it's some other. If it's less harmful than that, if it's less serious than that, then, you know, avoid taking it because it's just good, good medicine.

Todd Lyons (112:11)

We.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (112:11)

I believe I have an obligation when I see something in the scientific literature that people should know about to help them make decisions in their own lives that I should. I should be able to tell people with the caveats, exactly I've said, and that's exactly what we were doing in the last few days, is to tell people, look, there is this literature. Most people I've talked with don't know about it. They don't realize that there is this.

Glenn Beck (112:33)

I'm looking at a Reuters story from 2013. Too much Tylenol in pregnancy could affect development. Too much frequent use towards the end of pregnancy may be linked to poor language skills and behavior problems among children, according to a new study. I mean, this has not been a secret.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (112:50)

It.

Glenn Beck (112:51)

And I don't understand why all of a sudden this is insane, because. Did you ever, ever intend on saying, you cannot take it, we're banning it, or were you just saying, hey, you should be careful of this? There are studies that show this. You should just be aware?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (113:09)

Yeah, I mean, it's certainly the latter, Glenn. We were aiming to tell moms, pregnant moms who were, that there is this evidence. And so just be careful. Talk to your doctor before you take it. Even the Tylenol label says to be careful in pregnancy because there aren't great toxicology studies were done in pregnant women before Tylenol was approved for the population at large. It's an over the counter drug. It has its uses, but be aware of when it's appropriate to use and when it's not, and be judicious. That was what we were saying. I think the key thing here is it's something called Trump Derangement syndrome. So you had President Trump. I remember during, in 2020, President Trump said we should open schools. Remember that?

Glenn Beck (113:55)

Yes.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (113:55)

And then all of a sudden, all these groups that were before, before he said that in favor of opening schools somehow all of a sudden changed their mind in contradiction to what the scientific evidence was saying, and said we should close schools. There's something very odd about how some people reacted. What President Trump said is a more charismatic version of what I just said. Like he said, take it unless you need to take it unless you really need it. That's the sum and substance of what he said. And that's actually wise advice. If you're pregnant women, think carefully about whether you should take it, given this evidence. I mean, I don't want five years from now, after the scientific debate's been resolved, and maybe it turns out that it is actually directly linked to autism, that for years of people taking it, thinking that we don't know when, you could just say, now, do prudent medicine. Take it only if you really need it.

Glenn Beck (114:47)

I just don't understand how this is twisted into something fascistic. There's A post from 2017 from Tylenol that's going viral right now says we actually don't recommend using any of our products while pregnant. Thank you for taking the time to voice your concerns today. A representative from the parent company said the statement was incomplete. But what was that about? Do you know? And how long have we known about any potential problems?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (115:14)

Well, okay, so the issue here is that the company, the fda, regulates what it can and can't say. Right. So it's not allowed for pregnant women. It's not allowed to say that you can take it if you're pregnant because they have never tested it on women formally in a way that satisfies the fda. It's very difficult to do these kind of studies on pregnant women. You can just imagine. Do I. You recruit a whole bunch of women who are expecting, you know, expecting, and then say, well, I'm going to randomize you and give some of you Tylenol and some of you placebo, and we'll see what happens. I mean, that kind of study would be pretty hard to organize and kind of unethical almost. And so they don't have any evidence on this. And so they're supposed to say, as they did in 2017, that, you know, we can't recommend pregnant women take it because they don't have, they don't have evidence to document its safety to the satisfaction of the fda. Now, the game played then is like, doctors can tell you whatever they want. They're not limited by the fda, which is appropriate. Right. Doctors ought to be able to assess your individual situation and make recommendations. And so, again, that's essentially what we were saying to the public. If you really need to talk to your doctor and decide, knowing now what the literature says this is, the President's announcement essentially was a form of informed consent for the whole public. There's this literature. It's worth thinking about, even if all the uncertainty is not resolved. And then be careful. Think about it when you need it, when you don't need it, in consultation with your doctor, especially if you're pregnant.

Glenn Beck (116:50)

So let me, because I would imagine that this, when this, you guys decided to bring this out, it was like a Monday blip. It was just like, yeah, let's go ahead and release this. And then it's turned into some nightmare. And you have other initiatives on how you're going to tackle the autos, the autism epidemic. What are you going to, what, I mean, this was Tylenol. What are you expecting? And, and what's coming, Glenn?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (117:21)

So it's, so, it's so weird.

Todd Lyons (117:22)

I mean, I'm new to, new to.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (117:24)

The dc, so I guess maybe I'm still learning. But like, I, I thought the big news from this was that we were going to. We are. The NIH has just launched this massive autism data science initiative where we've gotten dozen research teams examining the question. Thirteen, actually, but research teams examining the question of what is the cause of autism and why has it risen so high in prevalence over coming years? These are mysteries to medical science. I don't know the full answer. It's going to be complicated, whatever it is, but we're finally starting to ask the questions in a way that's going to likely produce answers. I thought that was going to be the big news out of this. There was also a big announcement about this New treatment, this treatment that a lot of doctors have found effective for some, not all, but some kids who are profoundly autistic in some cases. I've seen case reports where it's restored speech. It's a drug called leucovorin that's been used for 40 years. It's basically like it helps bring folate of vitamin into your brain. And the theory is that there's like folate deficiencies in some autistic kids in brain early in development, in cognitive development. It's really exciting. We're telling people about this. The FDA's going to make an indication change so it's more widely available. CMS is going to make this so that Medicare, you can get it if you have Medicaid or other kinds of insurance. It could help a lot of families. I thought those were going to be the big pieces of news. Instead we got this craziness over autism of Tylenol.

Glenn Beck (118:52)

Is this, do you think this was coordinated or was just a bunch of mad people?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (119:01)

It's hard to. I don't know, Glenn. It strikes me that so many of the people that are sort of chiming in from the medical, on the medical side in panic over this are the same people who pushed lockdowns. I know mask mandates and like, you know, toddler masking and school closures and vaccine mandates and all the rest. I mean, and, you know, many of them turn out to have been Ukraine war experts and Gaza war experts and who knows what else. So it's striking that we have such a great expert class in the country.

Glenn Beck (119:34)

I keep coming back to this is what I want the FDA to do. If, you know, National Institute of Health and the fda, what I want them to do is make recommendations, follow the research, and then say, hey, we recommend this, we don't recommend this. You should know this. They should have to tell you that. I don't want them making decisions for me. I want my doctor to make the decisions. And this was the, this was the least autocratic thing I've seen in probably 20 years. And it was like Hitler himself made this declaration.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (120:10)

I mean, yeah, I don't, I just, it's, it's mind boggling. These, I mean, many of the same, quote, experts that are like taking this in a hyperbolic way were absolutely fine when people were getting fired over the vaccine mandates. I don't, I just don't. And there was no good science behind the recommendations about the vaccine mandates. The vaccine didn't stop you COVID vaccine didn't stop you from getting or spreading Covid so why the mandates? Like, why? It's. I think people need to just stop and take a breath and say, look, what is actually the evidence? I mean, I hope I conveyed it in a nuanced way. I'm not saying to you that I know for certain that this is a cause. There's a scientific debate going on. But I think that there's enough evidence in the scientific literature to warrant telling people when you take it here, you should know about this. Why should we hide that from people?

Glenn Beck (121:03)

Shouldn't.

Stu (121:04)

Seems to be a very balanced approach. Talking to Jay Bhattacharya. Doctor, can you speak a little bit about the Swedish study that a lot of people have brought up? It's about 2.5 million kids. It said 1.33% chance of having autism without acetaminophen, 1.53% chance if you did have it during pregnancy. They did say that the effect disappeared when controlling for siblings. Is this just part of the tapestry of all the research you looked at? How do you view this data?

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (121:35)

Yeah, so in fact, we mentioned it. I wrote an op ed with Marty Makary and Mehmet Oz where we referenced this specific study because this is a part of the literature that's more skeptical about the link that's big Swedish study. And as you said, Glenn, if you just do a straightforward analysis of the two and a half million moms, you find an increase in autism in the moms that were exposed to Tylenol. Now, the study wasn't good at measuring Tylenol use. I think only about 7% of the moms reported using Tylenol in the treatment arm. 7% of the moms that supported using Tylenol. We know for a fact that that's underestimate. They were looking at like, you know, electronic health records and other things. They didn't really get the over the counter use. So it does have some methodological issues. But the big thing with a sibling, sibling studies are really interesting because you think to yourself, if I compare, you have a mom, during birth number one, she used Tylenol. During birth number two, she didn't use Tylenol. And what if during birth number one, the baby turns out to have autism? The birth number two didn't use Tylenol. Doesn't that seems like strong evidence?

Todd Lyons (122:43)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (122:43)

Because you've adjusted for the same common family environment, the same similar genes because it's two siblings.

Todd Lyons (122:50)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (122:51)

It's a very attractive design, but it has problems. Right. So first of all, in order, you can't, you don't have two and a half million moms that have siblings like this. What you have is a much smaller sample of what I call what's called discordant siblings. So you have siblings, one who received Tylenol during the birth and one who didn't.

Todd Lyons (123:11)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (123:11)

That's a much smaller sample than the two and a half million. You're not actually looking at two and a half million. You're looking at much as if you have a smaller sample, it's harder to pick up any effect.

Todd Lyons (123:19)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (123:19)

You're not going to be. You've got to find a significant effect just statistically. Second, the group of moms who use it in one pregnancy doesn't use it in another are very different from the moms used in both pregnancies or use it in don't use it in either pregnancy or who use that only have one kid. Very, very different from each other. I don't know that the results that you find among the because discordant siblings translates over to the other groups then. Third, this is probably most important. If you adjust away for the genetic differences and family sort of shared family environment differences, you might be adjusting away for the mechanism by which Tylenol actually causes autism.

Todd Lyons (124:06)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (124:08)

What you're doing, you're saying, oh, I'm narrowing it to like only a narrow set of differences between the siblings. Obviously there's a shared genetic environment and a shared family environment. But what if the mechanism by which Tylenol use or late in pregnancy causes autism leads through the thing that you control the way.

Glenn Beck (124:29)

Right.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (124:29)

You'll mask the true effect.

Glenn Beck (124:31)

Jay, I would love to, I love to continue to do this. I've got a network break I have to hit. Thank you so much for everything you're doing. Thank you for being a part of the program. I appreciate it and I hope we can talk again.

Dr. Jay Bhattacharya (124:42)

I'd love that, Glenn.

Glenn Beck (124:43)

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