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Hamas’ REAL Goal on Oct. 7 | Guests: Dinesh D'Souza & Buck Sexton | 10/7/25
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Hey, today's podcast is great. We start with a death cult that has infiltrated America on the second anniversary of the Hamas Israel attack. But it's not just that it's Chicago, it's what's happening in Virginia. We, you have to understand that we are now battling death cult and what that means for our civilization, not just America, but the western world. It's a fundamental cornerstone that is being removed. Also, the guy who's running for AG in Virginia, Jason Mearez, he is, he joins us, talks about what does it mean to have an attorney general, the chief lawmaker in Virginia, possibly be the guy who says, yeah, I think we should put bullets in the heads of our political opponents. And Buck Sexton with a story. He just got back, meeting with the president of Taiwan and all of the officials over there. They are preparing for war with China and they need our help. And he's got a pretty stark warning for us all on today's podcast. Cold weather is coming. Here's a question most people never think to ask. If the power goes out in the middle of the winter, how do you stay warm? It's one thing to stock up on food and batteries, but when the grid goes down and the temperature drops, most homes have zero backup for heat. That's why my Patriot Supply has the Vesta. It's an off grid space heater that runs without electricity and it uses indoor safe canned heat. Indoor safe canned heat. Really important. A fuel that stores safely, burns cleanly and keeps you warm when everything else fails. The Vesta is portable, compact, simple to use. You light it, you set it, and you stay warm. Here's the smart part. It even doubles as a stove so you can boil water or heat food while you wait for the power to return. And you'll be ready when you need it. You can get a Vesta and a bunch of other free gifts when you order the Winter Prep special from my Patriot Supply. Just go to mypatriotsupply.com Glenn See everything included. The offer is not going to last long. Neither will this nice fall weather. So go to my patriotsupply.com Glenn My patriotsupply.com Glenn hello America. You know, we've been fighting every single day. We push back against the lies, the censorship, the nonsense of the mainstream media that they're trying to feed you. We work tirelessly to bring you the unfiltered truth because you deserve it. But to keep this fight going, we need you right now. Would you take a moment and rate and review the Glenn Beck podcast? Give us Five stars and leave a comment. Because every single review helps us break through Big Tech's algorithm to reach more Americans who need to hear the truth. This isn't a podcast. This is a movement. And you're part of it, a big part of it. So if you believe in what we're doing, you want more people to wake up, help us push this podcast to the top rate, review, share together, we'll make a difference. And thanks for standing with us. Now, let's get to work.
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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.
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Buck Sexton, welcome to the program. How was your, how was your trip overseas?
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Oh, Glenn, it, it was incredible, but it was sobering. I actually just left the Pentagon. I don't know if you knew, Glenn, that you were going to be training the next generation of leadership for the Trump administration when you started the Blaze, but if you start to look around at the org chart.
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No, all of, they're all Blaze alumni.
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Yeah, yeah. The young, the young cubs that you brought in when you started the Blaze are kind of running the government. Pretty amazing.
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It is. I don't know if that's a good thing, but it is.
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Yeah, I do.
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Well, I think it's definitely better than the old team. We can that. Amen. So look, the situation in Taiwan has never been more serious. And I thought that you in particular, Glenn, would, would just seize upon the reality here of a China that is arming up. And I know people have seen these stories for years about problems in the South China Sea or problems in the Taiwan Strait of Taiwan, but the, the cutoff in contact that has occurred in the last few years, the cutoff in trade in travel between Taiwan and China, the arming up of China that's going on. Taiwan is gearing up itself for the defense of its island. And I met with the president, the vice president, their National Security Council spoke to tsmc, which is a very important Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company. Critical technology for the entire world. I mean, they make 90% of the high end chips that we need for our phones, for our cars, and certainly for the AI future that we're entering right now. And Glenn, the Chinese are getting ready for this and Xi Jinping has said it's coming in 2027. And Taiwan is saying you guys got to give us the tools and we'll defend ourselves.
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Are we giving them the tools?
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The answer is yes. But at what speed? It's remarkable to see, I think the change in their society and they want to be very clear about this. They, meaning the government and look, part of why I think they wanted me to come over and speak to everybody is they realized that not only is speaking to CNN International not going to get the decision makers in this administration interested, it's probably a negative, probably going in the wrong direction. So they want, they want people like you and me and our friend Sean Hannity and others to look at this issue, understand it and present it to the American people because it affects us in very real ways. The problem right now is our manufacturing capacity for the weapons that they want to buy. And they're very clear about this, they want to buy them. They're not asking. Handouts is strained in large part because of Ukraine. So you're starting to see that our military industrial capacity for just providing the tools to allies, the weapons to allies they need to defend themselves is already at a bit of a breaking point. And China knows that. And they are ramping up their shipbuilding, their missile building, everything at a capacity that has honestly never been seen before.
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So I, you know, I have talked to several people about Taiwan. There is no, we don't have the supply chain to actually go in and, you know, fight a war in defense of Taiwan. It's just, it's impossible. I'm very concerned about what's happening in South Korea. That thing is being given to the Chinese. We are about to lose a massive ally there. It's, it's gone authoritarian. They're resting pastors and everything else there. Well, go ahead.
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No, I was going to say this is the ball part of China is not in danger of invasion or military incursion from anybody else.
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Right.
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So the breakneck speed at which they are building out their military and I mean, even in the last few years, I mean, this is relative even to what we've seen in China in the past. This is truly unprecedented. And they're doing this for purpose. And the purpose is obviously an invasion of Taiwan in the next few years. Could be sooner, we don't know. But also beyond that to project into the, beyond the first, into the second island chain and they want to dominate the Pacific Ocean. I mean, this, this is all part of the long term strategy. And they're playing this thing out. And look, Trump is very aware of this. He's got his negotiation, trade negotiation going on with Taiwan. He's got big negotiations that are going to be happening with China. But I just think the American people should be aware of what a massive, I mean, we're talking about trillions of dollars of wealth that would evaporate from markets overnight at the beginning of an invasion of Taiwan. Never mind that China would be able to seize the most sensitive and important technology in the world right now, which is advanced semiconductor manufacturing done by tsmc, as I mentioned, and others.
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Can I, can I say something controversial? I hope that we actually have convinced Taiwan or we have a plan of destroying those labs should there be a invasion of Taiwan. We cannot let those chip manufacturers fall into the hands of China. Can't.
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That's. This is absolutely correct and it's a point that was hit on over and over, which is if you think that the Chinese are going to be dominating us based on military output and capacity in that theater of operations, just wait until they control the chips. And this is, this is, again, I feel like it's very important to separate this from Ukraine, which is more of a, it's more of an argument about, you know, sovereignty and human rights and things like that. In this case, this is national that you rely on in your life. That is high tech. All the chips in your car. China would control them and control the supply of them. We simply cannot allow them to have that level of influence over global markets. So the best option here, as I see it, is prevent a conflict by doing everything possible to arm up the Taiwanese. They have an all of the above defense initiative, a sort of deep societal resilience program, Glenn, where they're saying everyone is going to have to get in on this. Now, I did talk to them about maybe a little two way, like how about you guys arm up your population? They're not into that. I think that's a mistake. But certainly in terms of keeping the power on, military and you know, medical assistance, things of that nature, they're telling their civilian population to gear up for this. So this is something that's going to get only hotter in time. I think the flashpoint is, is reaching a, the, the unavoidable reality that the status quo is, is going to be shaken up here. And I know the Trump administration is looking closely at it, but I want everyone else to be paying attention to what's going on in this part of the world because it is the single area where we could have the biggest military, military flag. You mentioned South Korea, North Korea and South Koreans are pretty armed up for that, I got to say. And we already have a base there. Taiwan, I think, is a place where China views it as ripe for the taking, increasing and we got to stop that.
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Yeah, it's Hong Kong. Minute we start, the minute we're distracted, they'll take it. Somebody said to me, I got A briefing on Taiwan about two years ago and they said, Taiwan, China can't take Taiwan yet because they don't have the landing craft. It's going to take them about three years before they're really ready to go. That was a year and a half ago. Um, I don't know if that timeline still holds, but I, I wonder, I think when we see a war in Taiwan, it is not going to be like a war that we have ever seen before. I mean, just, just watch their drone shows alone. You're going to be overwhelmed with drones that you would just never be able to defend against.
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Well, this is where what we've seen, and again, this is a big part of my discussions over there and the interviews that I did. Ukraine is really a proving ground for this new form of warfare. Whatever one thinks about that situation politically, the, the pace of drone innovation that is going on in that country is, is remarkable. It's incredible to see that they're able to do this as quickly as they are. And, and really what we're going to see, Glenn, is drones and AI and innovation are going to be a much bigger part of military readiness and military capability than we've ever seen before. I actually toured a boat manufacturer where, guess what they're doing? Autonomous suicide. Suicide speedboats that explode, essentially. And this is increasingly what the future is going to look like in terms of defense capability over there. So AI, drones, tech, it's going to be a whole different kind of war. If this war kicks off and if.
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They take Taiwan, then they have the chips that we need to be able to defend ourselves. Is there any work being done in a realistic way to get that kind of clean room and ability over here in the United States? So we can.
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This is, this is where Trump and his team are absolutely on it. They're pushing the tsmc, which is a company I keep bringing up. You know, it's basically a trillion dollar market cap. It's one of the 10 most valuable companies in the world based out of Taiwan, and they're the ones that make 50% of global chips, 90% of the high end chips. They've opened a huge facility in Arizona and I think they're getting close to being able to do 30% of their manufacturing capacity in Arizona, and they're looking to ramp that up. But this kind of stuff is, I mean, Glenn, the level of sophistication that this technology, it's like 1/10,000th of a, of a human hair in width. Some of the things that they're doing on these chips it's like magic. It's hard to understand if you're not in that industry with things they're doing. So you can't, you know, it's not like you get a U haul, you pack it up and you say, let's set up next door. So there is this, there is this initiative to do more of it here stateside, but you also got to see a, from their perspective, they realize, hey, this is kind of our golden goose in all respects. It's what's made this country economically such a force. But it also means that we cannot ignore, and to be clear, the Trump administration is not ignoring it, but we cannot ignore what happens there. Because if there is an invasion at Taiwan, everybody you know, you want to talk, your 401k, your markets, and also all the supply chain you rely on, it is in a crisis mode immediately.
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Buck, how far away are you do you think we are from a crisis like this? Should it happen?
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For me, the big question is, will she wait until post Trump presidency? And I think that a lot of people believe so. Would Xi Jinping, the premier of China, hold off? I tend to think that he's not going to want to tangle with Trump on this one. I think he's savvy enough to know that that's probably a, a bad idea. However, there are some caveats there. One is, well, I don't think he's going to wait so that then he can have, let's say, a J.D. vance, maybe Marco Rubio administration. That's not going to be any, any better for him. So there's a bit of a gamble or a calculation there. And then also this is, it reminds me, Glenn, of the Tom Clancy book A Debt of Honor. I was a big Tom Clancy guy back in the day, and it's probably why, yeah, he's amazing. It's probably why I joined the CIA because I read the Tom Clancy books. And in debt of Honor, the Japanese, actually a nationalist, Japanese ultra nationalist regime, seizes back Guam and some, some islands. And they do it so quickly that their pitch is, hey, guys, I know you're upset about this, but we can just stop right now and we'll make it up to you. And you know, no big deal with kind of the way that it's, it's priced in the book. I think that China is hoping that they can do a blitzkrieg where they get a surrender so quickly and they're able to overrun Taiwan's defenses so rapidly that the US Isn't even able to respond if we choose to do so we still have this strategic ambiguity and that that's where the calculations get really, really challenging. Because the US isn't pre positioned to be able to deploy military force if Taiwan surrenders. That's probably ball game. So it's tough to war game this one.
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It is. You know what really concerns me is another Covid style event. Some big could happen in our economy. Could be a 2008 kind of crash. Anything that takes the Americans attention away from the world. We saw this happen during COVID Remember those millions of people that were in the streets of Hong Kong then Covid happened and all of them were disappeared. China just marched in and did it. And I, I fear that kind of an event.
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Yeah. Well, Hong Kong is unfortunately viewed as a harbinger of things to come for Taiwan. Hong Kong has been consumed by the communist beast. I mean the CCP has managed to break covenants. No surprise. They're commies. They lie, they cheat, they steal, they met. I actually had had a sit down with somebody who is the right hand man to the publisher of Apple Daily, you know, who is in the biggest newspaper in Hong Kong. He's been in prison for I six years now.
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Yeah.
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So they have completely stamped out freedom. And the way that people in Taiwan who've spent time in Hong Kong describe it is the eradication of hope. And that has happened in Hong Kong and they don't want that to happen in Taiwan.
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But China, Buck, you really, I'd love to sit down and talk to you about South Korea because that same thing is happening in South Korea right now. It's coming fast in South Korea and it's China run. So thank you for bringing me up to speed on this. You back on the air today?
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Yeah, I'll be back on back on noon Eastern. And Glenn, I always appreciate you knowing that when there's a story I got a hit, you're right there with me and you support it. Thank you so much.
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You bet. Bye bye. Buck Sexton. The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show, which follows this on Premier Radio Network. They took over for Rush Limbaugh and Buck is a really wise, really wise guy. He was going to go into finance and he was sitting in my office and I'm like, don't do it, man. Don't do it. Come work for me. And he saw the light and what an amazing career he has had. Let me tell you about Patriot Mobile. What are the things that really matter in your life? How about that phone in your pocket? It'll be old next year. It'll be scratched, replaced, upgraded, thrown away or sold. Not particularly important, is it? But what about the mobile company that you pay every month, the one that keeps showing up month after month, the bill that you're sending money to and that is being used to build something. It's either healthy or feed something you wish didn't even exist. Patriot Mobile gives you the simple choice. Keep the coverage you need on the same network that you trust. 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We don't ever leave somebody behind on our battlefields because choosing life is our highest value. But I don't know if that's, I don't know if we're still those people anymore. And if you lose that one thing, that life is sacred, then you've lost the west because you have no. That. That is the basic fundamental prison principle. Choose life. So let me start with a simple definition so we don't get lost in labels because I want to talk I believe we are dealing with a death cult. And in social science terms, that means any movement that one, sanctifies violence or death as a legitimate political tool and two, celebrates the destruction of perceived enemies and three disciplines members to accept moral blind spots because the end is framed as absolute and transcendent. That's the, the dictionary definition. And it's not rhetorical flair, it's transcendent. It's a pattern. Dehumanize the other, normalize harm, close off any kind of dissent and reward those who cross the moral line. Have you seen that? How do you spot it? Well, death cults first glorify killing or harm. You see, public celebrations of Enemy slaughter. Not just private outrage, but public celebrations. So let me show you a few of these. Let's start with October 7th. October 7th, 2023, Hamas attacks and kills roughly 1200 Israelis. There are reports, and I've actually seen the footage of people in Gaza. You have to. Celebrating in the streets, taking dead bodies, dragging them in the streets, and beating them. Do you want to live in a society like that? I don't. Now. That moment is now a public fact and a. It's in the historic record of that war when Hamas went in and they killed women, men and babies, raped women while torturing them and killing them, setting babies on fire. We all saw this and stood arm in arm against it. When we heard the phone call from the one kid, the Hamas guy who went in and was killing women and children and then was so proud of it, he called his mother. Do you remember this? Hi, dad. I'm talking to you from Israel. What's up? You're gonna see. I killed them with my own hands. Your son in Israel, Dad. May God protect you. I'm talking to you from a Jewish woman's house. I killed her. I killed her with my own. I killed 10 with my own hands, dad. 10 with my own hands. Look at the WhatsApp app. You'll see how many I killed. I'm calling you on WhatsApp. Dad, I'm in Israel. Dad. I killed 10. 10, 10 with my own hands. Their blood is on my hands. Put mom on the phone. Mom says, oh, my son. God bless you. I killed 10 with my own hands, Mom. Okay. There is no. There is no middle ground on that. That is either absolutely right or horrifically wrong. Choose life. Two years ago on October 7, we said, that's horrific. Now things have changed. And let me just say this. You don't have to believe the Israelis are right in the way they're handling this. Okay? You can say I disagree with the Israelis and the way they're handling it. I think they're doing really horrible things. Okay, you could say that. But what's happening is people are starting to say that as well as. That's why I'm with Hamas. Wait a minute. You can say both sides are bad, but that's not what's happening. The more the Israelis try to stop the legitimate death cult that is Hamas, the more the love for Hamas seems to grow. You can be on the side of life and against both sides in this conflict, but that's not happening. The ends justify the means, it seems. Hamas, because we don't like Israelis Hamas was justified in setting babies on fire. That's a death cult. If you are now finding yourself in that position where you're finding more in common with Hamas, not the cause Hamas, the taking of, of, of hostages. And you're excusing any of that, you're in a death cult, because that's what Hamas is. Death cults reward glee at an opponent's death. Now let's look at that. Let's just look at what's happening in our country. We've seen the social media celebrations that came from Israel, called from Israel to Gaza. So now we've heard that and we find that horrific. What is the difference between that and this? With Charlie Kirk, there are a lot of people that are like, no matter what side of politics you're on, you should never celebrate something bad happening to someone.
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I, on the other hand, do cheer.
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When bad things happen to bad people. Charlie Kirk just got shot.
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Well, breaking news, folks. Seems somebody just took a shot at.
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One of the Fanta fascist favorite five mile wide mouthpieces.
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Charles chuckle Kirk. The glee is the same. The death is the same. Ritual celebration of death. That is a cultural marker. That is a signpost. Death cults also tolerate or excuse violent rhetoric from authorities. Let's go to Virginia now on that story. In the Virginia Attorney General race, we have really violent, vile messages from one of the candidates, the Democratic candidate, and the public statements that followed, including the condemnations and in some quarters, guarded defenses or tactical silence. Silence from institutions or parties in the face of violent rhetoric is itself action. Do you remember what Bonhoeffer said? Silence in the face of evil is evil itself. Silence is action because it signals what your group will tolerate. So what happened? What's happening now? I want to kill the. I want to kill the Republican, his wife and children. No, no, I can double down on that. There's others I'd kill and then I, I'd piss all over their, their graves. I'd send them out with glee. If I have Pol Pot, Hitler and a Republican and I only have two bullets, the Republican gets two bullets in the head. Every time you're comparing Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler to a Republican for Virginia that most of us have never even heard of, and you're saying he gets two bullets in the head and it is silent. No one on the Democratic side is saying, you must step down. This is abhorrent. The silence is action. It is an endorsement. You can say, well, I don't agree with that. That's not good enough. This is a cultural marker. You are Creating through your silence or your actions, you are creating a society that I don't think even you want to live in. In the end, death cults also take sacred things and they shift that sacred language, and they justify and celebrate harm. Do you remember the phrase safe, legal, and rare? That was abortion. Safe, legal, and rare. It's where most people could agree. The Democrats used to say it all the time. We want. We. We want abortion to be legal, but we want it to be safe, legal, and rare. But now the deliberate ending of life is something to be cheered on and to be ritualized. Safe, legal, and rare. No. No. Now shout your abortion. Be proud of your abortion. How many abortions have you had? That's a death cult. The cultural norms that. That we all used to agree on, the celebration of death, that's changing. And the change is measurable in the way we talk to each other. Campaigns, social media norms. This is deadly to a society that its cornerstone is choose life. Let me ask you this. Do we have the video of leaving Afghanistan? Here's the video of us getting out of Afghanistan and the plane on the tarmac, and all of these people who supported the United States, who were our allies, these are not terrorists. These were people who saved us. They're holding on to the plane as it takes off. Some of them get into the wheel well, and we watched them drop from the sky. Do we have anything from Biden saying how it was fine? There's somebody dropping from the sky as they take off, and then Biden says it's fine.
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Listen, I made a commitment to the American people when I ran for president that I would bring America's military involvement.
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In Afghanistan to an end.
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While it's been hard and messy and, yes, far from perfect, I've honored that commitment.
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Far from perfect. They went on later to say that it was. It was good. What? Why were you offended by that? Do you remember when it happened? Why was every American offended by that? Because we left people behind. It was dishonorable. We sensed our honor was at stake here. We had never seen our country on tape doing anything like that. And we instinctively, all of us, knew that's wrong. But then as it went on, it became political. And so we all started to say, well, our side wouldn't have done that. Yeah, well, our side didn't do that. You're lying about what happened. You saw it right there. Why do I bring that one up? Because, again, we left people behind. That violates choose life. So we left people behind, and we felt our honor slipping through our fingers. Let me play some audio that happened in Chicago this week.
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All right? And 999 just took him from 39th place in Kedsey. They were saying that they were being surrounded by that large crowd, and they were requesting. The police were not sending. I'm calling waving off all the cars heading to 39th place in Kedsi.
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Again, those are the orders we're being given.
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Okay, 10, 4. And again, for all the units that we call to go over that way, 39th place in Kentucky, if you could just hold off. 9, 11, 9, 13, 9, 2, 3, 9, 2, 4, stop.
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This was the second time she asked. Okay, she said they're surrounded. The order was given. We're not going in. So wait, play the very beginning of that again. Listen what she says at the very beginning.
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All right? And 999 just took him from 39th place in Ked. They were saying that they were being surrounded by that large crowd, and they were requesting. The police were not sending. I'm calling waving off all the cars heading to 39th place in Ken.
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Just to confirm. Just to confirm they were surrounded. And I'm supposed to tell everybody, go away. Yes. Death cult now. This doesn't. This doesn't. None of this proves that people are on the side of a death cult. Facts don't do guilt by association. But the pattern here is very clear. This is. This is proof positive that your country is at stake. No, that Western civilization is at stake, because we have taken the cornerstone of Western civilization. Choose life, and we are destroying it every single day. Choose life every time. And do not be silent about it.
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Episodes wherever you download podcasts. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. You know, we have been talking about this really, really horrific email exchange with Jay Jones where he thinks he's writing to somebody, and then he realizes halfway through he's writing somebody else. But it doesn't change. He keeps doubling down and doubling down, talking about, you know, how when Republicans go to their funeral, I'll piss on their graves, send them out a wash. You know, you line up three people. You write up Gilbert, which is a Republican in Virginia, Hitler and Pol Pot, and you only have two bullets. Gilbert, he said, gets to every time. I mean, that's just insanity. Um, and then he says, you know, do I think that he and his wife are raising little fascists? Yes, I do. And, you know, people only change their political point of view when they feel painful. And he had a chance. The person on the text thread Was saying, don't say these things. What are you doing? This makes me very uncomfortable. And he just kept doubling down on it. Um, and people are not asking for his resignation. I mean, sane people are. But the Democratic Party is not asking for him to bow out of this race, which he absolutely should. The guy he's running against is Jason Miares, and he is with us now. Jason, how are you?
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I'm great, Glenn. Thanks so much for having me.
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Why is it dangerous to have a man who says these kinds of things and has said others almost or just as bad in the past on other things? Why is it bad to have him as the attorney general, the chief law enforcer in the state?
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Well, listen, you know, I'm the current attorney general, and my job is one of my main jobs. I say I'm the people's protector. That means protecting everyone, whether they're Republican, Democrat, or Independent. And my job is to work to stop violence. I can't imagine somebody who's applying for this job to be someone that has advocated for violence and for your listeners, understand the context of this. He started these text messages because he was upset that Republicans had said nice things in memory of a Democratic delegate that had recently passed away at their funeral. He was upset at this. He said he wanted to piss on the graves of his political opponents and obviously said he wanted to put two bullets in the head of Todd Gilbert. But I think probably the most shocking, again, to your point, he was told this was inappropriate. He doubled down, and that's when he fantasized and wanted to talk about seeing the children of Todd Gilbert die in the arms of Jennifer Gilbert, his wife. And what's so upsetting for me, Glenn, before I was elected Attorney General, I served in the House of Delegates with Jay and with Todd. He knows Jennifer. He knows Todd's children. At the time that these text messages were sent, they were 2 and 5 years old. Todd would bring his kids to the assembly. This was not a hypothetical. This is not an imaginary person. He's met her before. He's met and seen the children on the floor before. For him to say these things. And in his words, when she says, you are talking about hoping Jennifer Gilbert's children would die. That's what he was texted by his colleague. His response was, yes, I've told you before, only when people feel pain, personally, do they move on from policy. Glenn, in my office in Richmond, I have a quote from Thomas Jefferson that I see every day when I walk into my office, and it is this. I have never found a Difference of opinion in politics, philosophy, or religion as cause to withdraw from a friend. It's just a minder that even if I disagree with somebody politically doesn't mean I'm gonna withdraw friendships for them. I can't imagine the mindset that my opponent has that he may disagree with somebody politically and he would want to see two bullets put in their head and then fantasize about seeing children die in their mother's arms. That is a dark place one must be coming from. And he certainly, I think, in my opinion, completely disqualified from serving as attorney general.
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A
I mean, I made the point earlier today because it is October 7th. Isn't this the same kind of thing that had the Palestinians out on the streets celebrating when they brought the dead or the hostages back into Gaza on October 7? Isn't this the same? This is, you know, maybe a few train stops before that, but this is what breeds that you can. You cannot celebrate the death of an opponent like that and wish death on their children because you stay on that train and it becomes October 7th.
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B
Well, I mean, listen, we, a long time ago in this country decided we were going to settle debate at the ballot box and not with bullets and the miyara's name. My family fled Cuba, and they saw what it is in a society where ultimately, when ideas matter more than individual dignity, ideas matter more than people and their individual rights. When you don't view them as even human beings, they view them as, I guess, political pawn. That is a dangerous, slippery slope to go on, and that is the political violence will destroy a society. That's why I've always condemned it in any form whatsoever. I have never asked a victim, when I met with a crime victim, whether they're Republican or Democrat, whether they like me or dislike me, whether they voted for me or against me. That's not my mindset. My mindset in this office is I'm the top prosecutor in the state. And what that tells me is my opponent has never actually met with victims. He's. He wants to be the top prosecutor in the state. He's never been a prosecutor a day in his life. But, you know, when you've actually met with victims, as I have, Glenn, that have lost children, they've lost a child, you know, there's no cry like the cry of a mother that has lost a child. None. And that sticks with you. You don't. You don't talk about it in this type of language. And so, you know, he clearly has a very, very different mindset. He wants to use this office. I Just assume now as a sword against his political enemies, or I viewed as an office to be a shield to protect Virginians regardless of their political affiliation. It is a very different mindset, and I think it's a test for Virginia. It's now no longer right versus left in Virginia. This election's about, in my opinion, right versus wrong and a basic standard of decency we should expect.
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A
One of the things I think is being undersold about all these text messages is not just that he was wishing violence, but the reason he was wishing violence on his opponents. He wanted them to feel personal pain, to change their policy, to change their politics, to change who they are. What does someone with that mindset, what does it mean to have the responsibilities of the chief law enforcement officer of a state?
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B
Well, I know when I took my oath of allegiance, when I got sworn in this office, it was not to any political party or to a governor or to any president. It was to faithfully execute the laws of the state of Virginia and to defend the US And Virginia Constitution. That's my mindset. That is a very, very different mindset. And at this time, where political violence has emerged, where we saw what happened in Utah with Charlie Kirk's murder, I think that's given us all pause because Charlie was not assassinated because he had political power. He was a private citizen. He wasn't a governor or mayor. He didn't write laws or sign them into effect. He was silenced because some people thought his ideas and his political views are so abhorrent that he should no longer exist. That is something that would shun you in polite company. Think about it. If Jay Jones is applying for a job with your media company or job to be a line attorney in the Attorney General's office here or to be in the cabinet, Governor. Right. And this emerged, I would argue, probably want to get a job with you, Glenn, and you sure as heck want to get a job as a line attorney. Why would we want to elevate him to be in this position of authority? And I do think this is a defining moment for us in Virginia.
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A
I mean, if. If, you know, our attorney general, who I really like here in Texas, if he would have said something like this, he wouldn't be in my front, in my front waiting area. I would personally go out and say, you're not welcome in this building anymore. What is wrong with you? And are you shocked that woman running for governor with the Democrats. Yeah. Has not. Has not really come out. And I mean, has any Democrat come out and condemned and said this Must stop and you should step down a single Democrat.
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B
You've had a few liberal columnists that have said this is beyond the pale. We shouldn't be in the race. But to right now, they're either dead silence or this sense of we condemn the text messages, it's not acceptable. And Jay Jones should be held accountable for this. But they don't say what that means. And to by all accounts, they're continuing the campaign. Think about Abigail Spanberger asked for Ralph Northam the step down of the governor of Virginia over a blackface 30 years ago.
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A
Wait, wait, wait. You're breaking up.
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B
I'm sorry. Miguel Spamberger asked Ralph Northam to step down as governor of Virginia over the blackface scandal from a yearbook photo from 25, 30 years ago, but is not willing to tell him to step down. Over text messages he sent just two plus years ago over a sitting member and their family and their children. I think that says a lot about where we are. And again, if Jay Jones is applying to be in our cabinet and it came out, he wouldn't be concerned. But somehow, because power matters more than people. And that is a slippery slope in our country when politics and power wielding power matters more than decency and people. And I do think this is now that test. I am a bit shocked. But candidly, we have the chairman, the chairwoman of the largest school board in the Richmond metro area, Chesterfield county, it's our largest suburb of Richmond, who tweeted out after the Charlie Kirk assassination. I thought we were supposed to cheer when Nazis get shot. She's still in office. She has not resigned. This is the person that helps oversee the instructions of our children. And so you have seen this level of violence. That is excused. But Glenn, I think of a red letter date for me in modern American history was December 4, 2024. That is the date that Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare, was murdered in broad daylight. And it wasn't the fact murders happen almost every day in New York. It was the fact that when you look at the polling afterwards, 48% of America's college students said that murder was justified. That should shock everyone. And I remember when I saw that, I said, we are in a different place in America, that we now have a segment of society that is somehow excusing violence, in this case against a private citizen, a business exec. They didn't like how he's running his company. And now we saw what happened with Charlie Kirk and now we have this individual now running that is advocated for, you know, pissing on the graves of his opponents and putting two bullets in the head of his political opponent and imagining their children dying in their mother's arms. I mean, that's, that is a stage where we are. And at some point you have to say enough is enough. And if your listeners want to say enough is enough, they can go with stanwithjason.com because I know that now, Virginia, I think this election, we're in the shadow of our nation's capital, is, I think, a real test for us as a country whether we are now going to say no to this type of rhetoric. And those that have fantasized about this.
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A
Type of violence, I will tell you, I think it is. You're right about good versus evil, not left versus right. And I think this is a very big test. If Virginia, especially with all of the churches that are there, if they're not getting out to vote and say no to this, I don't think you survive as a society in Virginia. I think this is a vote that says we choose life or we choose death. And once you choose death and choose to tolerate this kind of stuff, especially for just political reasons, I don't know how you can be helped, you know, spiritually. I don't know how you can find protection spiritually if that's what you're choosing.
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B
So I, well, we, yeah, I worry. Listen, I, we. I'm worried, too. We talk about it in Virginia. We have something we call the Virginia Way, which is the idea of basic civility in our political discourse. I think Virginia Way is on the ballot. To your point, Glenn, I'm a person of faith. I think everybody I meet, no matter what who they are, no matter what their political opinion is, I think they have amazing value because they're made in the image of their creator. They're an image bearer. And that's my mindset. That's the mindset I've had as attorney General. And I will just kind of end with this. A wise Marine once told me that if you go to Arlington National Cemetery and you walk among those crosses and those Stars of David, there's not an R or D next to anyone's name. And to never forget that someone that thinks differently than you politically have given the last full measure of devotion to this country. It is a great mindset. That's at least the mindset I have tried to bring as attorney general. And obviously, Jay Jones has a very different worldview.
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A
Jason, what's your website again? People want to get involved in your campaign.
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B
Standwithjason.com stanwithjason.com that's how they can push back against this type of insanity.
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A
Jason, thank you. We'll be watching closely. God bless.
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B
Thank you, my friend. God bless you.
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A
You bet. Standwithjason. Com Nana.