B (8:20)

It's.

A (8:21)

It's just no reason for it. But the Constitution doesn't grade comedy on a curve. It doesn't care about comedy. It's really not about even comedy. It doesn't require jokes to be funny or not funny. It doesn't have anything to do with any of that. Kimmel has the right to say these things, and ABC has the right to air it. Disney has the right to employ him. That's free speech in action. That's clear black and white. Now, let's talk about something separate but connected, the part that everybody forgets. With rights come responsibilities. Just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. And right now, in this moment, after two. Two attempts on the President's life and now a third, some people think that maybe we should act a little more responsible. That responsibility isn't really optional. This wasn't a policy jab. It wasn't the usual late night Trump bashing. This was a visual punchline built around the very real, very, very recent possibility that Melania Trump could actually become a widow. Because the left has decided the only way to stop the man is a bullet. And it's not funny. It's not funny. I would have never made this joke about Barack Obama. Had I made that joke about Barack Obama, I would have expected to be fired. I would have expected it. Why? Because there are standards in our society. This is not the joke that you hear from a professional comedian who understands the difference between the edge and the abyss. And it forces ABC and Disney to answer something out loud. Do you really think this is okay? Want to make it really clear? I'm not asking for Kimmel to be fired. I'm not demanding a cancellation. I hate that. I don't want to, you know, a mob or boycotts or cancel culture. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it when they're doing it against us. I hate when we try to do it against them. However, you do have a personal right to say, I'm never going to Disney again. You know, as much as I love Disney and their $47 bottles of water, I'm just not gonna do it because they don't represent me. You know, Disney used to be something where it was. It had some values. I hate to even say traditional American family values, but that's how it started. I'm not even asking for that. I'm just. Do you have any standards? Do you have any values? And the Trap is the minute we start punishing speech we don't like, we hand the precedent to the other side, and then the cycle just accelerates. Free speech dies by a thousand small enforcement actions dressed up as accountability. So this is a very difficult question to deal with, but standards still matter. Platforms with the reach of ABC and Disney aren't, you know, they're not some kid in the basement posting memes, but even the kids in the basement posting memes, there should be standards that they should keep abc. Disney is a cultural gatekeeper. Like it or not. They are. And they shape what millions consider normal. So when they greenlight a joke that treats an assassination attempt as punchline material after two assassination attempts, and then there's a breach at the actual Correspondent's Dinner, they're not just entertaining an audience. This is something that, you know, if. If Jimmy Kimmel had any standards at all, and ABC did, you don't have to fire him. He would have come up and he wouldn't have said, you know what? I was just talking about the age difference. No, you weren't. And everybody knows it. Stop it. Stop it. Can't you just come out and say, that was really crass of me. It was a mistake. I shouldn't have done it. That. That's what should happen in the, in the, In a world that makes sense. But they're normalizing a climate where the unthinkable gets laughed at first, then shrugged at, and then who knows? This is where personal responsibility kicks in. Free speech protects the right to say the ugly things. Responsibility asks whether saying it makes the country uglier, more divided, more primed for the very violence that we all claim to condemn. You cannot preach to me about how this violence is out of control and then make jokes about violence and killing the President. You can't. You know, this was really understood instinctively. I want to play something. This is. You know, when John Hinckley tried to kill Ronald Reagan back in 1981, they, they canceled the. Or, sorry, they pro. Postponed the Oscars. So he's. He's. They try to kill him. He goes into the hospital. We don't know if he's going to make it or not. It was bad. They cancel or postpone the Oscars for 24 hours. Johnny Carson on the ABC Television network comes out, and this is how he starts. Oscars 1981. Listen, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. I'm sure that all of you here and most of you watching tonight understand why we delayed this program for 24 hours because of the incredible Events of yesterday, that old adage, the show must go on seemed relatively unimportant. The Academy, ABC Television and all of us connected with the show felt because of the uncertain outcome as of this time yesterday, it would have been inappropriate to stage a celebration. But the news today is very good. As you know, the president is in excellent condition. At last reports, he's been conducting business. Remember, this is Hollywood. They don't like Ronald Reagan, but listen to the applause. And he happens to be in very good spirits. After all, you must remember, this is a man who yesterday, while he was in the hospital, unable to speak, wrote on a sheet of paper, all things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia. So tonight, the show does go on. He goes on. He goes on. And then Ronald Reagan, in a taped message that they had taped a few days before, opens it. It's all very polite now. Did they like Ronald Reagan? No, they hated Ronald Reagan. They hated him. Okay. That nothing has changed. Ronald Reagan was gonna get his all killed. He's gonna start World War 3 or World War 12, whichever one Elon Omar is counting. Um, and it. And. And so they hated him. What they didn't hate at the time was the country. This is not about the President of the United States. This is about the Republic. You shoot the president. Is it good for you? Is it good for me? Is it good for anyone? No. No. An assassination is not good for any. You destabilize the Republic. Is it good? No. But there are those who want to destroy the Republic. And we have to separate ourselves from those people. And Democrats, I'm asking you, listen next hour, because I'm going to make this case very, very clear. But comedians, they'd push boundaries. They knew there were lines you just didn't cross. Not because the government would stop you. I'm. I'm a fan of Lenny Bruce, okay? That guy fought and fought and fought, and he was intentionally indecent because he wanted to show this is freedom of speech. And he fought for freedom of speech. But we are past the point where this is just a joke. Works as an excuse. The Republic is at stake. You know, we passed that line after Butler, Pennsylvania, we passed that line. Florida, the golf course. Now the third attempt. It's just. It's not funny. Words have weight. Platforms have power. And when the temperature in the country is high, pouring gasoline on the fire and calling it comedy is not brave, it's reckless. I defend Kimmel's right to speak. I defend ABC's right to broadcast it. I also defend the rest of America. The audience, the parents, the citizens saying out loud, this a standard we should have. Not because we're fragile, not because, oh, we're going to be triggered. Not because we want to silence dissent, but because we believe this country works best when people who hold the megaphones remember that with great reach comes great responsibility. Freedom of speech is not a suicide pact. It's a trust that we are supposed to govern ourselves. And it's time to start acting it. You know, I said, as if I would have made that joke about Barack Obama. I would have expected to be fired. And the left wanted me fired. They want, they did everything they could. You know, here's the thing. Donald Trump comes out and he says this. Well, at least he's saying it out loud. Barack Obama stayed quiet. And we had 11, 11 different organizations orchestrated by the government, orchestrated by the White House trying to get me kicked off. The number one was Color of Change. That's Van Jones. Van Jones. They did everything they could to get me fired, while the President said, I'm not trying to get you fired. There's no difference. There's no difference. I'd rather have somebody coming out and saying, this is what I believe, than that. The same thing happened with Joe Biden. They were quietly saying, we're not trying to get anybody fired, but they were doing it behind the scenes. That doesn't make it better. And by the way, what I said about Barack Obama was legitimate political speech, not comedy. I was asked, what do you think? What do you think the deal is with, with Barack Obama? Why is he doing these things? And I said, I think he's a racist. No, I'm quoting. No, that's not quite right. I don't know what it is, but he seems to have a deep seated hatred for the white culture or white people. I don't know what it is. Okay. That was me questioning dei. I've, I'd never heard of dei. I don't even know if they named it DEI before then. Okay. But I was pondering and I'm, I was asked a legitimate question and I was answering in a legitimate, legitimately political way. That is the number one reason we have the First Amendment. So you can question the government. And I was a legitimate question. Now, in retrospect, I was absolutely right. It's dei that feels like racism to a lot of people. They tried to punish that. They did everything they could, but they have not a pro. They have no problem doing that. But the minute somebody makes a joke, you can't touch him. More to say on this Again, I want to make it really clear. I am not asking for the firing of Jimmy Kimmel. I do not want anyone to. I will be dead set. If the FCC got involved in this, I would lead the charge against the fcc. That is not the government's responsibility. But the FCC has something and this is works in ABC's favorite, you know, everything in the FCC pretty much is based on community standards. Well, here's the good news, abc, we don't have any standards anymore. My question is, shouldn't we as a people, shouldn't we have some standards? More in a minute. Let me tell you about Relief Factor. 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You don't think this is a standard we should live up to? Continue with your day. If you question, does ABC actually love the country enough to say, hey, this is over the line, maybe you just take action yourself. Like, I don't know, stop going to Disneyland, Disney World, because that's all they really care about. More in a minute. Let me tell you about Legacy Box. One of the strangest things family, you know about family members and memories is the ones that we remember are not the big formal events. They're really not. Sometimes it's the wedding photo or the Christmas card picture. Sometimes it's a five second clip of your dad walking across the yard in bad shorts, your mom laughing at somebody nobody else remembers. You know, one of the things that we've really lost in our pictures is we delete the ones where your sister is cross eyed. Those are important. Don't delete those, don't delete those. Stop looking for the perfect things. You know. 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And, and so I started 1791 jeans just as a personal protest. We made the jeans, we made the denim at the cone mills. We made them the quality that should be made by Levi's because they, they came out and they said, we're the uniform of the revolution. Levi's. Can you not try to tear America down? Can you not try to put us into revolution? Anyway, they were going after women. She and girls and girls, sports. I don't remember what it was she said, but got all kinds of pushback. And she's like, okay, no, thank you. And she started her own brand. I think this woman is a real American patriot. I just love her. And one of the things I really love is she doesn't spend her time on hate or anything else. She's just like, I'm just going to do something better. And she started XXXY athletics, and she's with us because she was at the dinner on Saturday. She was. I think she was a guest of Daily Wire, and she had never been before. She. I mean, this is not her deal, and it's her first time there. And Jennifer is here to tell us exactly what happened and what. What she saw and what she felt. Jennifer, welcome to the program. How are you?

C (26:47)

I'm great. Thanks for having me, Glenn.

A (26:50)

You bet. Okay, first of all, glad to know you're okay. I read your. Your tweets and your. Your article, and, you know, I felt for you. Tell me, you get there Saturday and, you know, you go through security. What were your thoughts? You know, actually, before you get to security, tell me about the signs that you had to pass.

C (27:15)

Yeah, I'm going to go back even before that, because I got invited to be a guest of the Daily Wire, and I was honored. But part of me, Glenn, was like, why am I going? Like, this is not my deal. To your point, I've been to all sorts of cultural events as the president of Levi's. I'd been to Coachella five times. I've been to the Grammys and the super bowl many times. And I thought, well, let's add one to the list. You know, that'll be cool. And talking to people beforehand, they're like, the worst thing that's going to happen is it's going to be kind of boring. Ha. I wish it had been kind of boring.

A (27:46)

Yeah, it would be nice.

C (27:48)

I mean, so I just thought, well, this will be cool. You know, My husband said, add it to your bucket list. I said, it's not on my bucket list. And he said, it is now. So I got dressed up.

A (27:57)

It's a bucket list.

C (27:57)

It was raining. Yeah, it was raining. I had to walk part of the way in the rain. I looked like a drowned rat when I got there. And there were protesters outside screaming in my face, you know, pedophile, whatever. Free Palestine, Zionist. Like, all the, you know, murderer. You're complicit. And, yeah, look, I lived in San Francisco for 30 years. I'm used to people screaming in my face. So I just kept walking and I did. I know a lot of people are saying there was no security. I did go through two metal detectors. My purse was checked twice. I did have to show my ticket. It is. It was a little chaotic going in. And I. I did have a random thought, I will admit. Like, oh, I could if I wasn't sort of obeying the order of events. I did think to myself, I could get around this security. But I went through because I generally follow rules. And I went in by myself, which was, you know, sort of nerve wracking for someone. I could. I'm an introvert. I just wanted to find my party. I did eventually find my friends from the Daily W. We went inside. We were sitting. You know, we sat and hung out for, like, an hour. And all of a sudden, you know, there was, like. It seemed like it was going to start. You know, people were taking their seats, that kind of thing. And suddenly, Glenn, there was just this commotion. There was screaming, and people start screaming, get under the table. Get under the table. And, you know, you never know how you're going to react in a moment like this. Everyone at the table was pretty calm. Waitstaff ducked under our table with us. You know, I'm squeezing hands with a woman I met, you know, 30 minutes before. And there was a lovely woman at our table who was very common sort of narrating for us. Just stay down. You're totally okay. You're fine. Stay down, stay down. She just kept saying, you're okay, you're okay. And of course, Glenn, I'm in the back, right by the door. So I'm thinking, oh, wow, we did hear. We did hear gunshot. Yeah. I'm in, like, the nosebleed seats, right? And I did hear loud gunshots. And you have no idea. Is it right outside the door? Is it upstairs on a different floor? You really don't know? And all I'm thinking is, well, I'm right by the door, like, I'm easy collateral damage. And I. I had this moment of calm where I said, well, there's nothing I can do if this is my moment, this is my moment. If it's not. I mean, I literally. This was all going through my head because, what are you doing under the table? And I thought, but if it's not, you know how ironic this is. We're here to celebrate free speech in a free press, and somebody wants to destroy that, and I'll never stop speaking up. I mean, it sounds crazy that I was thinking about those things, but it was. That is exactly what I was thinking. At some point it got quiet. One woman who was at my table and I, we grabbed hands and we just ran out the door and we found a side door and we spilled into an alley. And we just walked and ran until it was quieter. And we didn't know what happened because we couldn't get cell service. It was so crazy. So it was like an hour before we even knew what really happened. That was it.

A (31:13)

So what are your thoughts about public events now and being safe? I mean, Turning Point, Moms for Liberty, White House dinner, the golf course. I mean, Chuck Todd said I'm never gonna be around the President because the President brings chaos around him and I don't want to be killed, which I find super, super brave of him. What are your thoughts on this? What does this mean going forward? How do you, as an average citizen, not doing what, yeah, I do or others do for a living?

C (31:49)

Yeah.

A (31:50)

What are your thoughts?

C (31:51)

Well, you know, people say to me all the time, because I don't do what you do, but I have my share of stalkers. I. I have open investigations with the local police just because I say men can't be women, which is the most insane thing on the earth, that people, you know, accuse me of genocide for that. And people say to me all the time, as I'm sure they say to you, they say, you know, you have to be very careful. I mean, what does that even mean? You know, I mean, obviously the President has the best security possible. Charlie Kirk had, you know, great security. I just walk around. I'm a mom, I'm a business owner. I just walk around. There's no being careful. And so I guess in my mind I just go about my life because there's not really anything. What can I do? I'm not going to lock myself in my house. I'm not going to be quiet. So I just go about my life and I hope that fate is kind. And I'm certainly not going to stop talking. I'm definitely going back. If there's a do over for the dinner, I'm probably going to wear sneakers. I say that sort of joking, but not really. I hear someone laughing in the background. I'm not kidding.

A (33:02)

No Kevlar socks would be a good

C (33:03)

idea too, but I'm going back. I mean, what are you going to do? I'm not. It sounds so cliche, I know, but you can't let the worst of us win. You cannot do it. You can't.

A (33:16)

So you, you are somebody who, you know, you lived in San Francisco. And I don't know all of your politics, Jennifer, and I don't need to know your politics, but I assume there's things in the past that we've disagreed on and maybe we disagree on things now, so. And you've lived in San Francisco, so you've worked with people who were, who were, nor didn't hate the country just voted differently than what I would vote for.

C (33:40)

Right, Right.

A (33:41)

But we are in this place. I'm going to talk about this next hour, about how we're not even talking about the issues. We're really not even discussing the issues. What is it going to take for people who vote differently than I vote to say, okay, enough of all of this stuff. I want the country to survive. I'm not for this Marxist Red Green alliance. Destroy, burn everything down to the ground. I want to fix the country and I want to be able to come back together. What is it going to take? Is there a chance of that happening?

C (34:19)

Well, I'm an optimist and I wouldn't do what I do. I don't think you would do what you do and continue to speak out if you didn't believe there was a chance of that. You do it because you believe that you can be part of making things better. I believe that I can be. Do I think it's a long road? Do I think it took us a long time to get here? Think about how long it's taken us to get here. When did the whole idea of safe spaces start? I don't know, 20 years ago. The whole idea at the core of that is that certain speech was so harmful that we had to cut ourselves off from it. Then it was, speech is violence. Then it was, Trump is Hitler. Then it was, I'm a genocide because I think men can't be women. I mean, this is how we got here. And the only thing that will solve it is more is more speech. And. And I always do my best to be respectful. I will not kind of fall prey to the same sorts of rhetoric, but I will not speak the truth. And I just. The only thing that protects my free speech is yours, and vice versa. And so the answer cannot be. The answer cannot be that we stop speaking because then the lunatics win.

A (35:31)

So where do you stand on, like, Jimmy Kimmel? I don't know if you heard my opening monologue, but I don't want Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah. So you know where I'm.

C (35:40)

I'm 100 with that. I'm 100 with you. Look, I think it's a stupid joke. I think it's really unfortunate that the jokes. And quite frankly, the bullets only go in one direction right now. You know, it used to be Saturday Night Live made fun of everybody. All politicians, you know, they made fun of everybody. It doesn't work that way anymore. The jokes go one way. They're not very funny. But I think the show should just tank on its own accord. I don't think he should be taken off for stupid jokes. I think people should not watch it if they don't think he's funny. I don't think he's funny, but I don't think he should be censored. Like I said, the only thing that protects my free speech is yours. And that does include dumb jokes from Jimmy Kimmel. It does.

A (36:29)

I stood up for Bill Maher when he was taken off of ABC. This is right after 9, 11. And he said, at least the Taliban. Yeah, you remember these Taliban pilots, they had. They had courage. We dropped bombs. They actually went in. Yeah, courage. And I found it one of the most offensive things. And I'm a new talk show host at the time. Nobody really knows what I believe. And I knew when I said it, this is going to cost me. It's going to cause all kinds of confusion. My audience will reject it.

C (37:01)

This.

A (37:01)

But I actually stood up for Bill Maher and I said, abc, what part of Politically Incorrect don't you understand? This is a horrible, horrible comment. But that's what this show is by design and in the name. You know what I mean? So it's in a. It's in a completely. It's in a completely different category. This is what the show is. And I stood up for him, and it cost me a great deal to stand up for him. But I just, you know, I don't want any cancellation of speech, but we have to find a way to where we have responsibility and just basic decency. I think that's what this is about. This isn't just about violent speech with the Jimmy Kimmel thing. It's just basic decency.

C (37:52)

Yeah.

A (37:53)

You know, just. Can you not just come out and sincerely, you've blown the chance to do that. But if you would have come out yesterday and just said, really bad timing, unfortunate timing, you know, really bad timing. I can see why everybody is upset. You know, it's. It was horrible and I'm never going to go there again. I'm not. Just. These jokes do not have any place at all. That's not the way I meant it. But just to make it clear, I will never go anywhere near that again. And none of us should. That would have solved an awful lot.

C (38:24)

I completely agree. But he doesn't feel that way.

A (38:27)

No, he doesn't.

C (38:29)

I mean if you recall the last little dust up with him and now I'm going to forget the specific details but even his apology, you know, he was suspended for a while. I don't know, was it a week? This is maybe a year ago, maybe less. His apology. Oh, it was about Charlie. That's right.

A (38:45)

Charlie Kirk. Yeah.

C (38:47)

Yeah, his apology was a non apology. He doesn't feel that way, Glenn. He does wish that Trump would die. And he does look at Melania and think she wishes and hopes it too. He can't apologize when he doesn't feel sorry.

A (39:07)

Feel it. Yeah. Jennifer, I'm so glad that you are. Well, I saw your post and I felt so bad for you because you're again, you're just somebody just going to watch history happen and boy did you see it. But I'm glad you're safe. Thank you for being on.

C (39:23)

Thank you so much for having me.

A (39:25)

You bet.

D (39:25)

Bye.

A (39:26)

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I want to talk to you about real issues, the real things that we should be talking about that no one is talking about. And I Mean, literally, no one is talking about. And if we could break through on this one thing, we could solve our problems in America. And I'm just dumb enough to think it could happen. I'm just naive enough, I'm just optimistic enough to believe that we're actually still good Americans. And I'll talk about that here in just 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about Patriot Mobile. There are few things more ridiculous than patriots paying premium prices and then be insulted by the company taking your money. And yet millions of people do it every single month. They send a check or an auto payment to a big wireless company and they get with a huge bill that never seems to go down. And then they watch those same corporations take their money and support causes and activism that they don't believe in. I mean, if somebody wants to disagree with you, that's fine. 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All right, I want you to look at everything that is happening right now. You. You just go on to X or whatever and scroll down. You scroll on your phone, turn on the tv, listen to the noise that you're hearing. Maybe even in your own offices. You will hear labels being thrown away, thrown around all the time. Fascist, traitor, threat to democracy, radical, yada, yada yada. And it is a really strange way to run a country, especially in a country that was built on argument and free speech. That's what built us. People on the left will say it was revolution. No, it's a very different kind of revolution. Our Declaration of Independence is what made our revolution work. Where every other revolution in the history of man ends poorly, this one Ended with the people who started it because they had a very clear vision of what they were trying to build, okay? And we're sitting here arguing about things that, you know, we're not. We don't. Neither, neither side. I don't believe that either side of the average American believe in some of these things, okay? We should be laying our cards face up on the table and say, this is what I believe. This is what it costs. This is why it's worth it. And argue about that. You strip all the names and the labels off of it. The truth is we have real disagreements, serious disagreements. The country is in a, in, in bad shape, okay? But the question now is, do we want it to come apart? Do we still believe that it's worth saving? I am maybe perhaps too naive, but I happen to believe that most Democrats do not get up in the morning and say, I just want capitalism dead. I want the president dead. You know, I want a dictatorship. I want. I'd rather have China run thing. I just don't believe any of that. Okay, so what, why, what is it we should be talking about? I jotted some notes down last night and I want to go over them on the things that we should be talking about to show you that we're really not that far apart.

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Start.

A (48:27)

Let's start with money. One side looks at the national debt and says, real danger. Too much spending, too much borrowing, interest payment, eating away at the future. It's going to collapse. And their answer is, cut spending, limit government growth, try to stabilize the dollar before it slips and crashes and burns. Okay? The other side doesn't deny all of those things. They, they also see the same thing. They're like, we're never going to make it. You cannot do this. But they see a government that still has room to act, especially in crisis. They argue about, you know, pulling back, will stall the growth, hurt working families, weaken the safety net. So they still believe, spend more, but maybe we spend less on defense. Whatever. Are those that different? Yes. They're talking about higher taxes, spending, yada, yada, manage the debt instead of slamming on the brakes. We're all dealing with the same number. This one's math. But what you learn when you look at this particular thing, and this is a huge crisis, both the Democrats and the Republicans know, I mean, people who vote for them, they both know my side's not serious about debt, okay? They're not serious. This, this is, this is all bullcrap. I know that debt is a problem. My Democratic neighbor knows the debt is a problem. Shouldn't we be uniting on that one? That both parties are lying to us about it? Right, but that's something that we actually all believe in. And that's one thing that we say we're arguing about. Hear me out. Let's talk about the border. One side sees a system that is completely out of control. Too many people crossing illegally, too much strain on cities, schools and hospitals. They, they argue that law enforcement has to come first. Physical barriers, stricter asylum rules, faster removals, yada, yada. The other side, and I'm talking about the honest people, okay, the other side see an economic system under pressure. They see problems, laws that are outdated, workforce needs, immigration enforcement won't fix it, blah, blah, blah. They push for legal pathways, reform, a structured system that still allows entry, et cetera, et cetera. Both sides are reacting to the same problem, the same reality. What we have right now is not working. But they each have different levers. They're both arguing, but both sides are reasonable to a degree. Okay, I happen to disagree, but I can see reason in the argument. Remember, I'm talking about the average voter. Energy. One side says, we're sitting on resources. It'll make us dominant. Oil, gas, natural reserves, we should dominate. We can use them, we can drill, we can drive prices down, reduce the dependence on unstable regions, get out of the Middle East. Growth will come from abundance. It's a way to be able to pay down our debt. It's a way to stop the endless wars. The other side says, well, no, wait, wait, wait. Climate, climate, climate, environmental damage, long term instability. It's not the future, we're going to run out. They push for a transition, even though it's messy, renewables, stricter controls. Okay, one side is saying cheap energy now, another one is saying a different system later. I don't agree with them, but that's at least a conversation you can have. Foreign policy. How long is the United States going to carry the weight of the world? Endless commitments, endless conflicts, endless bills. Why are we over in the Middle East? Why are we over with Ukraine? Pull back. Let the alliances step up. You know, let the allies do all of these things. Choose our fights more carefully. The other side says pulling back creates a vacuum. Vacuums get filled by countries that don't share our interests. They lean towards. No, we gotta be more involved, staying engaged, projecting power, prevent bigger conflicts later. Blah, blah, blah. Here's what's crazy about this. You know what? Most Democrats that I know are actually saying more of what the Republicans are saying, which is, I don't want Any of these wars anymore.

C (53:00)

Anymore.

A (53:01)

It's the big government people on both Republican and Democrat side that are still pushing for more wars. They're still pushing for what the State department has been pushing for a hundred years. But the average person is like, I don't want my kid dying in a war for what we're not that far apart. Crime and complete and policing. One side, cease disorder. Okay, you can't weaken the system like this. You have, police have been pulled back, laws soften, Nobody is going, nobody's paying a price for there's no, there is no consequence anymore. And the answer, one side, restore authority, fund the police, tighten the system down. The other side sees a system that has overreached, has been a problem in the past. Uneven enforcement, you know, lack of trust in communities. And their answer is reform, oversight, changing how policing works, you know, and, and how much there is of it. Okay, I don't agree, but we could have that debate. I could go through safety versus fairness. Both sides claim to defend it. Healthcare. One side says free markets, competition, privacy, you know, private innovation, less government control. The other side says no more government control, you know, because we gotta have access, we have to have taxpayer funds in it, blah blah blah. The fight isn't whether healthcare matters. The fight is who should control healthcare, Education, same thing. Parental authority, no more state authority. People pushing for school choice, local control, transparency. The other side says no. Institutional structure, public system, standardized approaches, yada yada yada, gender identity, medical treatment, especially for modern for minors. One side says this is serious, life altering decisions involving children, strict limits, parental control, caution. The other side says, well, they can be necessary. But this side is saying follow the science. And yet as the science is coming in, they're not following the science. Why? Technology. We're on pretty much the same page in some way. Um, one side is worried about censorship. I don't want the government having influence over these platforms. I don't want them restricting information and, and, and conversation. I don't want it filtered by the government. I'm worried about AI in the hands of the government in the Pentagon. The other side is saying, well, but there's chaos spreading and we have to have, and foreign influence and destabilization. We have to have some control. But that's a reasonable conversation. But is that where it lives? Is that the conversation that we're actually having? I say no. All of these things, elections. 80% of the population, both Republican and Democrat are saying the same thing. You gotta have an id. You gotta have an id. Reasonable people on the on, on the Democratic side would say, yeah, but I, I, I want to make sure that we're not stopping people who can vote to vote, but 80% say but people who shouldn't vote, shouldn't vote. You could go down this list on absolutely everything. And that brings us back to America because those are real arguments that we need to discuss. They all have trade offs, they all have consequences. But that's not what we're arguing, is it? Is it? We're not talking about those things. We're talking about how people are not just wrong, they're evil, that they're Nazis, that they're fascists, that they want to round up and put everyone in jail. Those are not real. Okay, they're not real. They are with some, but that brings me to the third group, because there is a third group, a third category that doesn't fit into this neat little two sided argument of America. There is a fact, a faction, and it's mainly on the left, but it is now growing on the right. But the one on the left is active and, and organized. And they're not arguing about trade offs at all, at all. Their goal is not better policies for working families under the American system, it is to overthrow the system itself. Capitalism, the Judeo Christian foundations of Western life, the nuclear family as the core unit of society. We're not talking about Democrats, we are talking about radicals who have infiltrated the Democratic Party and convinced Democrats that they're arguing what I had just laid out. But they're not. Because the power structure behind there are working to erode the roles of moms and dads, normalize gender confusion, accelerate medical interventions on children, pursue the Red Green alliance, you know, the tactical marriage between Marxism and Islamist forces that will kill democracy outright. They align themselves with the World Economic Forum, with the top down global governance that treat national sovereignty as a joke, individual liberty gone, traditional culture as obstacles to be managed or dismantled. And that's not just the Democrats. There are a lot of big progressive Republicans that want that too. My point is the third group doesn't share the goal of the regular Democrat or republic. The millions of working people, the parents, the small business owners that just want a safer street. They want to be able to afford groceries and good schools and have a fair shot. We can disagree with one another on real issues. Unless you're trying to tear down the country that gave all of us a shot in the first place. We can argue that this isn't working. We can argue and say, hey, you know, the, the dream of America is fading. Fast if we don't have a conversation. But we're not talking about compromises. What we're talking about is destroy the system. The radical faction wants it destroyed. They see crisis as the opportunity to accelerate the takedown. And that's why they pour every resource in convincing ordinary Democrats that Trump or anyone else who resist is not just wrong, not just a cons, but a Nazi who has to be stopped at all costs, including street violence, assassination, attack, whatever. Because once you can convince one side or the other that the other side is Hitler reborn, you stop asking questions about the actual agenda. America, you got to distance yourself from people who are, who are trying to convince you. This is all about, let's say, Donald Trump. Why is it every society in the Western world is going through exactly the same arguments? Why is it all of our countries are being torn apart? They don't have Donald Trump there, so what's their excuse? Their excuse is whatever party is saying, hey, we should really not go down this road of the Red Green alliance or the W E F. There's a third category that no one is arguing. And if we can find our way to each other and say, I reject. I want the United States of America to remain free, to remain under the Constitution. I believe in the Declaration of Independence. We have big problems, but let's fix those and restore it instead. Too many people are being convinced that destruction, that the destroyers are actually one of them. They're not. You're either a restorer or a destroyer. I don't think that we're destroyers. I don't think the average American is a destroyer. The destroyers are betting that we never figure this out. You better figure it out quickly because I want to fix the country. And I think you do too. More in a second. Let me tell you about super sure

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B (63:36)

Yeah, it's cut five of Bette Midler. What I wanted to know is are we at a place in America where we can laugh about Hollywood singing Kumbaya fascist stuff, or should we be concerned about this. This movement? Because the. The guy who tried to kill Trump and his officials was apparently inspired by mainstream Democrats. And folks would consider bet I guess, to be goofy, but still mainstream.

A (64:02)

Yeah. So she's made a new music video against fascists. Here's. Here's a clip. All you fascists bound to lose. All you fascists fascist bound. I said all you f. So here's the problem. Here's the problem with this. This is exactly what I'm talking about. It is time for decent people to stop saying those things. We disagree on policies. I don't want to put anyone in a camp. And I will stand with you against anyone who tries to put you in a camp. Will you do the same? Will you do the same for the other side? If so, then you love America, you love freedom. And we should get together and stand together. Stop all of this. The time for this is way over. Stop it. All right, just a second. More, more to follow. Let me tell you about rough greens. One of the harder things about loving your dog is this. They get old, and they get old faster than you do. And it doesn't seem fair. You're just getting used to their little habits. You know, the way they follow you from room to room, the way they look at you when you open anything that might be food. And then one day you notice that they're moving slower than they used to. They can't climb up the stairs or Whatever. And they still want to go. They still want to play. They still want to jump into the car, but they can't. They want to be with you. They're just not firing on all cylinders. And that's why I like rough greens. It's not a dog food. It's a daily nutritional supplement that you add to the food. You're already feeding them them probiotics, vitamins, minerals, omega oils, digestive enzymes, all the stuff that they really need. Okay? And I saw difference in Uno. I thought he was getting older. It wasn't. He was not getting the stuff he needed. When we started putting rough greens on his food, he changed dramatically. And the years he had left in him were so much better. Get a free Jumpstart trial bag today. Just cover shipping. Go to ruffgreens.com R U S use the discount code Beck pay for shipping. You get the free bag to try it out. Rough greens makes any dog food better.

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on modern events by joining the Torch community@glennbeck.com Torch. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're in New York City this week for our Ellis island event, which is happening on Saturday. I don't even know if tickets are still available. Maybe a couple of seats. Things have changed dramatically. And it's, you know, it's, it's, it's. Yeah, go ahead.

B (66:50)

So we have partnered with Real America's Voice, who is going to allow us to bring their live broadcast stream of the event, which will include your speech to Torch. So we are going to stream that to torch beginning at 7pm Eastern. Just go to glenn beck.com torch we will make it free. However, if you're a Torch insider, you will be able to live chat with each other and react to what you're seeing on stage. If you're not yet a Torch subscriber, you're just going to have FOMO watching all the fun conversations take place.

A (67:18)

And we're doing a lot of filming this week because we have another special coming out about America's 250 coming out around July.

B (67:25)

July 1st is July what we're aiming for?

A (67:27)

Yeah. And I'm gonna go do another event on the other side of the country on, I want to say, the Intrepid. But that's here. What. Which.

B (67:36)

The midway.

A (67:37)

Midway. And I think, I mean, you know, everything is. Nobody knows what anybody is doing in the government now. But our Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, is supposed to be joining me on the midway for that one. But you'll be able to See all of these things, and it'll be a great special in July that you don't want to miss. If you want more information, you can go to glenn beck.com events and I hope to see you there on Saturday. Otherwise, we'll see you with torch and glenn beck.com. all right, welcome to Ricky, who is our executive producer, and. And Jason, who is. I don't even know what he does. He just is here. I can't shake him. I don't know why he goes where you go. Yeah, he goes where I go.

B (68:24)

Can I ask you a question? Because that last monologue, if I didn't know you and my eyes were closed and I had no impression of you up to that moment, I would think that you were one of the most reasonable guys in political commentary.

A (68:37)

Wait, are you hearing this the way I'm hearing this? This is like what she's saying is, but because I know you, I know it's a lie. Is that what you're saying?

B (68:45)

Well, I mean, if you listen to Media Matters or how the New Times frames you as a far right extremist or a far right commentator, you didn't sounded far right. And in fact, it made me wonder how you were ever BFFs with Diane Sawyer. You told us this story this morning, and I'm like, if you don't tell this on national radio, it will be one of your biggest misses.

A (69:07)

So, you know, first of all, we have to start to believe. Look, I don't know what the truth is on how many Democrats still love America, Okay? And quite honestly, I'm beginning to question some people on the right. Do you actually just. Are you really thinking that, you know, the enlightenment was the biggest downfall of mankind? Are you not thinking that, you know, we hold these truths to be self evident, that that's a good idea anymore, So I don't know what's actually happening, but I, I need to believe that there are good people on both sides that are reasonable, that want the country to survive, okay? And it doesn't survive through civil war. It doesn't survive through tearing everything apart. It doesn't survive by killing a president. It doesn't survive by killing health care executives. It doesn't survive that way. And now is a time of choosing, and we have to get there. And I want to believe. Because if I don't believe that there are people that vote differently than I do, that want to save America, then. And we're over anyway. And I don't want to live that way. I don't want to I want to go out swinging and hoping for the best. But then again, you know, you brought up the abc, Diane Sawyer thing. And I've told parts of this story before where, you know, I brought this up because we were talking about ABC and Disney and Jimmy Kimmel, and I don't want to censor Jimmy Kimmel. I don't want. I should say this. I don't want the President and the government involved in any of that. In any of it. It. And I'll stand with you. And I have supported people who have said horrible thing. What's his name? Gunn. Is it James Gunn? Who was. He was fired, I think, by abc. I can't remember he was, but he was fired and said some things that I disagree with. But I supported him and stuck. Stood up for him. You have to be able to express your opinion in America. You have to. To. That is what we're based on. However, there are some standards. But I don't think people who are in power actually care about standards. I don't think that ABC actually cares. They really. I don't think they do. They have their own point of view and. And they'll make money on whoever they can make money on, and then they'll move on. And they don't. They don't actually have principles. And I told Ricky this story of about Diane Sawyer, who used to be a big deal at one point. And I remember I was going out, I had just signed on with fox, and I was still at cnn, and I was going out to do the Christmas sweater tour, and I was gone for three weeks. And she said, when you come back, we want to do a deal at ABC with you. She said, we're going to change television. I'm going to go do CBS Evening News, and I have a lot of sway, and I want you to be the one to reinvent Nightline. And I was like, are you kidding me? Sure. And she's like, no, I'm telling you, together we can reinvent television. She said, what you're doing right now is reinventing it. Now, remember, this is when I was at cnn and I said, that's great. And my wife. It got to be so weird. My wife actually said, does she have a thing for you? And I said, what are you talking about? She's like, she calls every night. She calls you all the time. Does she have a thing for you? And I'm like, honey, I don't think Diane Sawyer has a thing, and I don't have a thing for her. So we're safe. But we became BFFs for a while. We announced it on my radio program. Here on this program, she came on and she was just glowing about how great I am and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then later that day, I never heard from her again. And I'm like, what the hell happened? Now getting backstory, getting from back channels, I find out that CARE has just approached Bob Iger. They didn't go to abc. They went to Bob Iger and they said, bob, we will boycott the mouse house. You let this guy on. Because remember, I was saying back then the same things I'm saying now. I just didn't call it the Red Green Alliance. There's a real problem. Marxism and, and Islamists, be careful. And they went to him and said, we will boycott Disney, and you don't want us boycotting Disney. We can be your friends and your allies or we'll take you down. So he immediately sent messages, because I had a contract with him. Immediately sent messages. He is not to appear on abc. Okay, So I don't hear anything. I know what's going on because I'm hearing from the back channel, channels, but I don't hear anything from Diane. I don't hear anything from ABC News. They just kind of leave me in. And so I finally start saying on the air, you know, when am I going to appear on abc? I thought this was a big deal. I thought this was, you know, nothing, nothing, nothing. Then finally I start turning up the heat, and she's like, okay, okay, you're going to be on ABC this Friday or whenever it was. And I. She put me in a situation because it was supposed to be the two of us. We were going to reinvent television, remember? And it was supposed to be the two of us, us. And all of a sudden, on that episode, I'm sitting next to a. An imam, and now I'm debating Islam. And I'm like. And I'm just looking at her the whole time, and she's just giving me the cold shoulder. So I said, wow, that's. That's interesting. Afterwards, you know, we're gonna have a real problem because I'm gonna start talking about this series of events happen. Then next thing I know, about a week later, I get a call from her and she wants to have lunch. And we're having lunch right down the street from right here. And I come and she's sitting in a table right in the window. And I sit down and she begins to go into my faith. Why do you hate women? I'm like, what do you? What? Hello, Diane, what happened? He said, what do you mean? What do you mean? Why do I hate women? And she said, well, your faith does. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I said, no, that's not what my faith teaches. That's a complete misunderstanding of my faith. And that's not. You know. And then she just started attacking and attacking. She, she. I'm convinced she had to leave there hating my guts, and so she was coming after me in every possible way she possibly could. I just wanted the whole thing to end, but it showed to me she wasn't sincere. Nobody at ABC is sincere. They don't hold any real true values. They just hold the value of what's good for them, what will bring in the audience, and what will keep the mouse off of their back.

B (76:08)

So they have stamp, they do have standards. They just don't apply them equal.

A (76:12)

Yeah, it's just money. It's just money. If. If this were reversed, if this had been another time, you know, let's just say the pendulum is swing so far the other direction that all of these things that, you know, I have been saying suddenly are wildly popular, ABC would have. Would have absolutely everybody. They hold up today. They'd absolutely torch. They torch them without a blink of an eye. They torch them. Jimmy Kimmel, gone. Immediately gone. It wouldn't even be on the air. They don't care. They don't care. The money doesn't care. Bob Iger, when he was there, he only cared about Disney. Abc, you could flush ABC down the toilet. Don't touch the mouse. So that's why, you know, if you really. If you really want to make an impact with Disney, with abc, forget about this. They don't care. Care. They don't care.

D (77:07)

Just so I understand, the original pressure point was from care.

A (77:13)

Yes.

D (77:13)

Council on Isla, American Islamic Relations. And the first question came out to you was, why do you hate women?

A (77:20)

Yeah, I know. Crazy, right? Come on. Absolutely crazy.

D (77:24)

Standards.

A (77:25)

I think we kind of lost them right there. But that is. I mean, that just goes. I mean, I've been saying this for the last couple of weeks. You know, I'm so tired of hearing about pedophiles and Jeffrey Epstein. I agree with you. Jeffrey Epstein's a huge problem. I'd like to know all of the details on that. Yada, yada, yada. I want all of that out. I agree with you. Horrible, horrible situation. Horrible human being. And I would love to know. I mean, he. He didn't become this rich and famous by just doing it himself. Who were all the people that were going to the island, we know it happened. So I want to know. But it kills me that the people like, what's his name? Hasan Piker, which I'm going to be exposing this week. I've got a lot to say about this guy. Extraordinarily dangerous, extraordinarily dangerous guy. But I'm not going to be lectured by you on Jeffrey Epstein. Please. You, you turn a blind eye to everything that is happening in, in these Islamist countries where, where they will absolutely, you know, marry off a 9 year old to a 40 year old guy that's better than Jeffrey Epstein. Now you're doing it with religious fervor. I am not going to be lectured by people who tell me about Jeffrey Epstein. But then we'll turn a blind eye. Did you hear about the guy who, I can't remember where he's from, Pakistan or Syria or one of these places. He goes over to London. This just happened. Goes over to London and he kidnaps and rapes this like seven year old girl. I think he got nine months. Did you see this story yesterday, Jason? I think he got like nine months. And the reason why he's from a different culture. Well, I don't care what your culture says. I don't care. Our culture says that's wrong. And if your culture says that's right, your culture is from the bowels of hell, period.

D (79:19)

That's why I do not get about this whole red green alliance thing. I don't understand. Like normally if you have an alliance it's at least not so easily attackable.

A (79:28)

But that's why, that's why I did the monologue just a few minutes ago. Because once you can get Democrats, regular people who don't hate the country to see. Guys, you have been played. You have been slowly and manic, meticulously played. They have put the best researchers and the best behavioral scientists on this. How do I get you to accept these things and fight on our side even though you're not for those things? How do we do it? I mean, does nobody remember how many behavioral scientists they have, have hired along the way? They have been manipulating you the entire time. You're not for these things. You're not for the marriage of a 40 year old to a 9 year old. You're not for throwing homosexuals off the roof. Why the hell are you standing with the Palestinians who will kill the homosexuals who will kill people because they disagree. Oh, how are you possibly standing with the Mullers in Iran over Donald Trump? I know you don't like Donald Trump. I know you don't like Donald Trump. But wait, if you want to compare, it's one thing to say, I don't want this war. I disagree with Iran. I don't want them to win, you know, but I, you know, I don't think we should be fighting this war. It's Israel's war. Whatever you want to say, that's different than I'm rooting for the imams in Iran. That's manipulation. That is you being manipulated so well, so well over such a long period of time. You've lost the truth. You've lost your actual understanding and your own free will. You've lost it. They've manipulated you into that position. And if we can just wake people up to that, we can disagree on all kinds of things but still save the country. All right, let me tell you about real estate agents. I trust when you start thinking about buying or selling a home, the first thing they usually ask is what's the market doing? Are the rates going up, prices coming down? Fair questions. Okay. But that can also distract you from the question that matters most. Who's helping you make this decision? You know, the headlines talk about the national market. Real estate is deeply local. One neighborhood can be moving quickly while the other one right down the street moves slowly. Slowly. One street can command a premium. The other one, just don't sell your house right now. Timing and pricing is everything. Real Estate AgentsITrust.com is a source for the real estate agents that understand that they will connect you with the real estate agents who live in and understand your area market by market. You know, downturn, upturn, block by block. Realestate agentsitrust.com get the one that can serve you and help you get into your next house and get out of your house that you have now. For the best, the best money and the fastest way to do it. It's realestate agentsitrust.com realestate agentsitrust.com Glenn Beck. All right, Jason, we have not had a chance to talk about Iran at all. Can you give me an update on Iran? 60 seconds.

D (83:13)

Yeah, it looks like the administration is not giving in to what the Iranians are saying. Their, their new plant, you know, their

A (83:20)

new 10 point plan is whatever it is. It sounds like they said they'll open it up. Just what was it? They, we had to give them something, but they'll open it up. They're, they're really getting, getting desperate.

D (83:29)

Yeah, I think that the charge administration is going to sit back and wait. Yep, wait for all that storage capacity to fill up. That's what they have to do.

A (83:35)

Yeah, it's supposedly. It's supposedly at the breaking point now. More in a minute. We lock our cars, we set our alarms, we install cameras. But there is one thing most people don't even realize can be stolen and that is the title of your home. Criminals can forge documents, they can file them online, they can make it look like your property is theirs. And from there they can try to take out loans against it. And you may not know anything about it until the collection agencies and the bank notices start showing up. And then the sheriff. By then you're the one trying to prove you didn't do something you know that was wrong. You didn't even know it was happening. Home Title Lock monitors your home's title and alerts you to suspicious activity so you can act before a bad situation turns into a financial nightmare. Because your home isn't just an asset, it's the foundation. Use the promo code, Glenn. @hometitlelock.com you'll get a free title history report and a free trial of their million dollar triple lock protection 24,7 monitoring of your title records. Urgent alerts. If anything changes I want you to go to hometitlelock.com hometitlelock.com use the promo code, Glenn. Pass it on. Crank the game. Glam back is on. Glam back is on. The fusion of entertainment, enlightenment and empowerment. This is the Glenn Beck program. Hello America. It is Tuesday. We're in New York City and and I wanted to bring Camille Foster in. He is editor of large at Tangle. He is also the co host podcast the Fifth Column and is a deep thinker and I think refreshing in the way he thinks. And we're going to start with Jimmy Kimmel. That's coming up in just a second. First let me talk to you about the international fellowship of Christians and Jews. I'm going to tell you about a woman named Esther. She's 84 years old. She lives in, in Israel. She's fragile, she's alone. Her days are measured, you know, in the time that she has to actually get to the shelter before the rockets come down. Here she is 84 years old. Life should be quieter, safer, more peaceful. She's spending long stretches now in a bomb shelter and a lot of people are doing this, wondering what's coming next. Who brings in the food for an 84 year old woman? Who checks on her, who makes sure that the medicine is there, who reminds me, reminds her that she hasn't been abandoned. There's a lot of these situations happening over in Israel, and that's where the fellowship of Christians and Jews comes in. Because of friends like you, Esther is not alone. Through the fellowship, food is delivered, urgent needs are met, and people like Esther are reminded that there is somebody that actually cares, that you're not alone. Esther says to those who give, you're doing a great mitzvah, a good deed. I believe that we, we really need to help one another. I don't, I don't want to get involved in what the governments are doing. I just want to be good to each other. And this is a chance for you to be good to the people of Israel, to the Jews who have a right to defend themselves and a right to live. This could be life saving, especially for the elderly over there. Don't wait. Call now 888-488-IFCJ. 888-488. If you IFCJ. It's the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. IFCJ.org Camille, how are you?

D (87:34)

I'm good. Thank you for having me.

A (87:35)

You're welcome. It's good to have you here. You live in New York and California, and I have to start with, what the hell is wrong with you?

D (87:47)

Necessity demands it at the moment. And I don't quite live in New York, but I am here pretty much every single week now.

A (87:53)

Well, they're charged you.

D (87:54)

Millville, California.

A (87:55)

They're charging you. As if.

D (87:56)

Yes, I know that that is coming as well.

A (87:59)

Yeah. Your overall sense of where the, where this is headed, I mean, you look at New York and California.

D (88:08)

Yeah.

A (88:09)

And nobody is saying, hey, this isn't working out. Well, they're doubling down on all of this and now suggesting this is the future for America.

D (88:19)

Well, both places have had really dysfunctional political systems and bad political leadership for a very long time. California, I think, has a uniquely bad problem because it has this resource curse. I mean, you've been to California. I currently live there. I live in the shadow of Mount Tam in Marin County. It is one of the most extraordinary, beautiful places on planet Earth.

A (88:40)

It is.

D (88:41)

Authentically.

A (88:41)

It is.

D (88:42)

And the challenge is that there can be so many things that go wrong that people will be willing to tolerate. Gas prices that will make your eyes walk. Everything costs more. And now everything is under lock and key. And it's been that way for like five or six years.

A (88:55)

But the policies are burning the state to the ground. Yeah, it's, it's, it's making it a hellscape to live. I mean, you Know, I remember as a kid going to California, and it was beautiful. It was just beautiful. California. I've wanted to live in California my whole life. I won't. Because they're crazy. Yeah, they're crazy. You can't afford to live there. You can't afford to do business there or anything else. But I love California.

D (89:18)

Yeah.

A (89:19)

And, you know, it's one thing to say, you know, but I want the weather. And it's another to say, but look at what is happening around me. It's a hellscape. Yeah.

D (89:28)

Yeah. Well, it's.

B (89:29)

It's.

D (89:29)

I'm grateful to have been there. There's so much about the place and quite honestly, like, the people and the culture in Marin that I've benefited from. My kids are in a school that I absolutely love. But to have a front seat to a lot of the political dysfunction, all of the things that go wrong. San Francisco's right across the bridge. I go there and you see the actual tangible consequences of bad policy.

A (89:51)

Are people waking up at all?

D (89:53)

I think so, Absolutely. There's been some turnover, at least in local government. I think you're going to see it there first. But the governor's race doesn't give me much, much hope that they're actually going to be making much, much better decisions.

A (90:04)

I think J.D. vance is gonna come after all this corruption like crazy. I think Donald Trump said you're gonna be in charge of weeding out all the corruption. I think that. I mean, I think that is the 2028 plan to show the massive corruption that is happening. Because if. If we really are, in four years, if we've put $2 trillion into corruption, I mean, there's your answer to our debt problem. Just cut the corruption. Just cut the corruption. And we would be a lot better off.

D (90:36)

Hard to disentangle, I think. Really hard to do from the top down. I want to be optimistic in the same way I wanted to be optimistic about Doge. I think it managed to make some

A (90:45)

cuts, but everybody knows. Everybody knows now why they had to get rid of it. Everybody. If you don't know why, the left went bat crap crazy and some on the Republican side, too, you send guys in with computers that know exactly what they're doing and they're looking. I mean, this. It's. Corruption is the. Is the biggest game in town.

D (91:09)

I think corruption is part of it. But also just navigating the corridors of power in D.C. the kind of labyrinth of bureaucratic, like, entrenched bureaucratic power. Again, really, really difficult stuff to do. You can't disentangle it very easily. And so much of the funding is kind of truncated, entranced in these strange ways that are just hard to disentangle.

A (91:29)

So today is. I've been kind of laying out an outline. I have to believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle that love the Republic, that don't want to see our President. I don't care if it's Joe Biden or. Or Donald Trump. They don't want to see him killed. They don't want to see chaos. They don't want a destruction of our Constitution. They just want things fixed.

D (91:54)

I think that's most Americans. Yeah.

A (91:56)

Do you?

D (91:56)

I think so. I want to believe that.

A (91:58)

I want to believe that, too. I want to believe that, too. But we are so. I mean, there are forces, the Red Green alliance is one of them, that are intent on destroying us. And, and they have taken in many of our universities, taken the youth and our youth. They don't even know what freedom of speech is. They don't think it should be protected, that there is stuff that you shouldn't be able to say, which is insane coming from an American. Let's talk about Jimmy Kimmel, because today I got on and I got. Ricky was just telling me that my own insiders think that I'm wrong on this. And I don't think I am Jimmy Kimmel. I think if I was running abc, I would fire him, but not because the government told me to. I am absolutely dead. If the FCC started coming after ABC on this, I would lead the campaign against the fcc. It is wrong. I don't like the, you know, I don't like the mob cancel culture or anything else, but there's got to be some standards. He has a right to say these things. ABC has a right to air these things. How do you balance free speech with decency? If your culture doesn't have decency, what do you have?

D (93:21)

I mean, I think it has to be culturally enforced. And I think the Kimmel. The Kimmel situation and the timetable seems to be. On Thursday, he makes a joke.

A (93:29)

Yeah.

D (93:29)

On Saturday, there's an attempt on the President's life.

A (93:32)

Correct.

D (93:32)

However.

A (93:32)

Wait, wait, wait. But, however, remember the last time he was in trouble, it was because he was mocking Charlie Kirk being killed. You know what I mean? At some point, a decent person says, you know what? That's just off the.

D (93:44)

Maybe not the jokes I want to make. And I can totally understand that. But also, comedy is comedy, and comedy is about saying things that people expect you not to say. It is Uncouth. It is unacceptable. The trick is landing the punch appropriately. And did he manage to do that on Thursday? Maybe by Saturday that joke didn't make as much sense. And if he were telling that joke on Monday, that might color things differently. But on Saturday, I mean, on Thursday, it seems like a joke about a younger woman married to an older man. Perhaps you don't find it funny. You can always turn the channel, and plenty of people have already done that.

A (94:19)

I know that's his excuse, but I don't buy that at all. So how do we balance this? Because I don't want government. But you know, I said earlier the good thing for ABC, because I've done. I've done radio. I'm 49 years in radio now. Next year it will be my 50th anniversary.

D (94:39)

Wow.

A (94:39)

And. And so I remember at 13 years old, having to take the FCC test to be able to be on radio. And one of the things I know is the fcc, it has certain guidelines, but a lot of it is community standards.

D (94:53)

Right.

A (94:53)

And so what's in, what's happening in ABC's favor is we don't have any community standards anym. It is almost like there are no standards anymore. How do we encourage standards to come back without. Without forcing things, without the government? How do we do that? How do we fix this hole?

D (95:14)

Yeah, just one. I don't think the government can meaningfully enforce standards here in this country. You just cannot do it by fiat. It has to be cultural, in which case it's the people who are listening to the show. To the extent you're listening to something, you hear it and you hate it, and you only have contempt for that station. You can one vote with your feet and your dollars and go elsewhere with your business. And that will actually cause some change eventually. But of course, letter writing campaigns still matter. Of course, organizing online in different ways still matters and has consequences. The question is whether or not what Kimmel did actually rises to the level of something that's going to animate that kind of concern amongst the public. And I do think that you can have people on the left and the right.

A (95:51)

Right.

D (95:52)

Who are meaningfully outraged by something happening, even in times like these, where people are so divided.

A (95:57)

I will tell you, the one thing that used to scare the hell out of radio stations is because when you're up for license renewal, you have to have a license renewal every. I don't remember, every five years or whatever it is. You have to keep all the letters that came in, and then the FCC comes in and they review all the letters. And how did you respond to those? Because that's how they gave community standards. Are these local letters coming in about your local station? And you can say, and I think there was a station someplace that canceled Kimmel for a while because they said our community standards are different than Los Angeles or New York. And so they canceled them. And that was, I'll bet you, specifically. Because if you get letters in your local market, you have to respond to your community stand, or the FCC can say you're not paying attention to your own community. And this has to be local. That's the one thing. That's the one caveat. It's not national. It must be local standards.

D (96:58)

But I wonder, Glenn, what do you think? Because I look at what the President has said, and the first lady and their response to it has probably animated more interest in what he said on Thursday than anything that might have happened had they ignored it.

A (97:10)

It. So I told a story earlier today. A podcaster said, you know, after Charlie died, and Charlie was a friend of mine, and my daughter was probably 15ft away from him when he died. Wow. And a podcaster said, it's interesting, you know, Glenn loves Israel, and. And then his daughter is just mysteriously that close. Okay. Like. Like my daughter had something to do with his death. I came home, I said that to my wife, and my wife stood up and said, where does she live? And I said, we're not. Sit down, honey. Sit down. But that was the immediate reaction of a mother. And I feel this way with Erica Kirk, and I feel this way about Melania, that, Leave them alone. Leave them alone. You know, there's only so much a family can take, and this family has been bludgeoned over and over and over again with this kind of stuff, and nobody seems to care. So while I disagree with the President saying what he did because it carries the weight of the presidency, you know what I mean? I kind of understand it's different when it's about you. You know what I mean? That doesn't mean you act on that. And I don't want the President to influence or anything like that. I don't want the government to do any of that. But especially with Melania. I mean, at some point, what has she done to people? What has she done?

D (98:41)

Yeah, I mean, she hasn't been elected to office. She's not running for anything.

A (98:44)

And she's perfectly reasonable and kind and nice. She's not in everybody's face. She's not, you know, Hillary Clinton. She's not talking about policies or anything else. She's just a first lady. Leave her alone. Yeah.

D (98:58)

Not a particularly divisive figure. Like, the phrase that comes to mind when I think about her is be bad. It's not even innocuous. That's just good.

A (99:08)

Right?

D (99:09)

Right.

A (99:09)

So what are your thoughts on that? On which dimension of it, on what they said yesterday?

D (99:16)

Again, I can offer, I think you put it in the right context. At least with Melania. If she's speaking out publicly about this, she has every right to. She is a private citizen. And as much as she happens to be the president's wife, she can say whatever she likes. And if she believes that this person ought to be terminated, she can say that, too. I do think, however, that it would serve her well and it would serve the interests of the presidency in general and perhaps the country to set some of that stuff aside.

A (99:46)

So let me tell you a story about what happened with me and Barack Obama, okay? Because it's the flip side of this. Okay, give me 60 seconds and we'll be back in just a second. First, let me tell you about preborn. This year we're celebrating the creation of. Of our country, our freedoms, the heroes that fought to protect it. Sadly, though, there are Americans today that don't have the freedom of life and liberty because it's taken away from them and they don't have the chance to experience it from outside the womb. These are people. They're people, period. They're people. We're never going to change things. By law. We have to change people's heart. And that's why I love preborn so much, because they don't just. They're not standing and they're not lecturing or screaming at moms. They actually love the mothers as much as they love the baby. And they know that most of these moms are coming in and they've been told by everybody in their life, everybody in their life gotta abort it. It's not real. Don't worry about it. And many of them don't want to do that. And when they see an ultrasound, 80% change. 80% change. But they'll say, but I don't know how to afford groceries, or, I don't know. I can't do this by myself. And again, that's where preborn steps in. And they have supplies and they are with the mom and the baby for the next two years following the birth. Can you help out? It's preborn. Preborn. I want you to go to preborn.com preborn.com and make a donation $28 provides one ultrasound. 140 provides five ultrasounds. All you have to do is hit pound 250. Can somebody give this to me? Dial pound 250 and say the keyword baby. It's pound 250, keyword baby. Or go to preborn.com Beck 10 seconds. Station ID. We're talking to Camille Foster and you can find him@readtangle.com readtangle.com so when I was during the Obama administration, somebody asked me, what is happening with Barack Obama? How do you understand Barack Obama? And I said, I don't know, I think he's a racist. And then I said, wait, no, that's not right. And I meant that that's not right. But he seems to have a real problem, a deep seated problem with the white culture. What I was describing was the feeling of DEI that I didn't understand, okay, that there's something wrong there and I don't know what it is. Well, everybody went crazy, wanted me fired.

D (102:27)

I remember.

A (102:28)

Yeah, you remember, okay. And everybody wanted me fired. Barack Obama never said anything, but there were 11 people in the White House. Van Jones was one of them. Color of change that mounted campaigns means. So I'd rather have somebody say, we're coming for you than to say, oh, no, I'm, I, I'm just, I'm above all of that when the machinery is already working. You know what I mean? So there's a problem. If you're really not going to do it, if you're telling everyone, you know, I don't want you to do anything. Yeah, I will not be your friend and I will rat you out. I want nothing done on this. Then I don't have a problem with it. I'd rather have somebody stand up and go, I have a real problem for you and I'm coming for you.

D (103:17)

I can appreciate that. And I get that there is generally a double standard here, even in the way that this sort of thing happens to be treated internally. To the extent you're coming from the left and you're making these kinds of criticisms or these kinds of jokes, the likelihood that you will face some sort of cultural sanction is far lower than if you were a conservative doing the same thing. And in fact, yesterday I made a similar observation about the actual. Actually, I suspect we'll get to that. But, you know, well, the assassination attempt, Barack Obama, just thinking back to that same period, like the level of concern about his safety given the fact that he was the first black president of the United States, was extraordinary. Had there Been one attempt on his life over the course of his eight years in office.

A (104:02)

Oh, my gosh.

D (104:03)

We would still be talking about it now. It would be a moment that lived in for me. But three over the course of again, and these are just the threes that were disrupted that we know about. There's certainly other things, guns that have

A (104:15)

been pulled on them, et cetera. It's like eight different attempts. Three were notable.

D (104:20)

It's extraordinary. And it's disconcerting in this way that whether you're MAGA or not, this is disconcerting as an American. And I think that the gravity of it doesn't really seem to be hitting people. I know yesterday we discussed it on my own podcast on the Fifth Column, and I find myself, like, actually pretty distraught about it, I think, especially because this guy is just so ordinary. It seems there doesn't appear to be this kind of. And we don't know, maybe we'll learn some things later that will make this seem otherwise. But the radicalization, it seems so casual.

A (104:55)

So that was the thing I said yesterday again. I think I piss my audience off every day. Yesterday I was talking about it, and I said, this guy's not even evil. He's more terrifying than evil because he thought he was doing good, but he has been. He's been indoctrinated and radicalized to where he actually believes this is good. That's, you know, the Nazis, if they all knew they were evil, that's scary. But what was really scary were the ones that were your neighbors who were like, wait, wait, you believe what? And they thought they were good? Yeah. That's terrifying.

D (105:28)

I mean, you read that manifesto. He's kind of casually, like, cracking jokes. Your friendly neighborhood assassin. And what on earth is this? How do you make sense out of that? I think there's a kind of evil that one can see. Like the Branch Davidians kind of mounting a campaign to do things like that's scary. But they focused on it in a way that is kind of relentless here. Casually observing politics and suddenly taking trains cross country to try and assassinate the president. Throwing your life away. Yeah, that concern.

A (106:00)

Yeah, me too. More in just a minute with Camille Foster. You can follow him readtangle.com and, of course, he is the host of the Fifth Column podcast. You can get that wherever you get your podcast. More with him in just a second. Stand by. So you may never meet the people that you help. Their first day, you know, may change because of something that you did. It's a lot of how amazing things happen. Not with Cameras not with headlines, but with people just, you know, doing the right thing and not looking for credit. If it happens, when a family loses everything in a flood and strangers, they never know, help put a roof back over their heads. When a town is hit by a storm and supplies arrive because somebody far away just decided to care. And it's not the government, it's just regular people. When people who are hurting, displaced, or forgotten have found out that they're not forgotten, that's when real change happens. And that's what my charity, Mercury One, does. When a disaster hits, when communities are devastated, when news crews have moved on. And the hard part part is just beginning. Mercury One is still there. We are the first in and we are always the last out. We are still rebuilding in California, helping them. We're rebuilding in. After the floods in Dallas, after the hurricanes, somebody cared. That's you. If you want to join us, it's a great mission. Mercury1.org give $15 or more to our Maximum Impact Fund. It keeps us on the road, boots on the ground when we need them. Planes in the air. Mercury1.org don't just read history, experience it with the American Story series@glenn beck.com torch. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're with Camille Foster in studio here in New York City. He is editor large of tangle readtangle.com, also co host of the podcast the Fifth Column. And you know, one of the things that. One of the things I really respect about you is you are not somebody that makes in this culture, culture, everything about race, it is about, you know, I love. What was his name? Victor Glover. Yeah, I love him. I think he is like the. I think he's Neil Armstrong in the best ways, he's Neil Armstrong and he did not want that. Don't stop saying that. I'm the first blackbird. Who cares? Who cares? Can we ever get back to where, you know, we've never been there. Yeah, but I thought we were making progress and then it just got way late. Can we ever get back to your pin? I am a man.

D (108:54)

Yeah, well, most people don't even know what this is. I mean, I am a man. It's 1968. Sanitation workers strike. This is a sign that they were carrying around then. And I started wearing this pin, maybe 20, 22. And it just occurred to me that there was this amazing contrast between a kind of civil rights movement that was anchored in this ideal of your dignity being rooted in your humanity. I am a man as opposed to a civil rights movement. Ostensibly, that's rooted in Black Lives Matter. Like, one is an appeal for kind of equal standing on the basis of your race, the other on the basis of human dignity. And only one of those things, in my estimation, is remotely credible. And can we get back there? I'm a child of the 80s and 90s. Like, I remember Michael Jackson's like, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. Like, that was the sentiment that I was. I was reared within, and it's never left me. I have to imagine that most people kind of have a general orientation in that direction. And honestly, just learning to think in a more sophisticated way about human difference is something that takes a bit of practice. But I do think we can get there.

A (110:06)

I have to believe that it is the difference we go through. The world goes through these. These, you know, these cycles of. From the me to the we. And every time we get into the we, we're in trouble. Yeah. You know, too much me is also trouble. But, you know, the balance is where we should be. But you get into this collectivism.

D (110:25)

Yes.

A (110:26)

And it just destroys everything. Yeah. And we. We are the one. And you can argue that, you know, I mean, our founders even said it when, you know, after the Articles of Confederation, too much me, you know, need a little bit more of the we. But, you know, that's what made us different. That's why I'm going over to England to speak at Oxford University and then also with Tommy Robinson. And my message is going to be over there is, I don't know who you are. You know, who Americans are. If they believe in the Declaration of Independence. Because we're about the individual, Europe can become about the collective quickly. And I don't care what side you're on, if you're looking at the collective, you can be a grave danger. You can say, oh, we're for free speech and all that stuff, but if you're for the collective, I want nothing to do with you. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

D (111:24)

Can I commend something to you, Glenn? And I just.

A (111:27)

It's.

D (111:27)

I moved to do it. I don't know if you're familiar. I suspect you're familiar with John Steinbeck. I don't know if you're familiar with east of Eden, which is. Is just like one of the greatest books in the English language.

A (111:36)

Never read it.

D (111:37)

It's a wonderful novel. Chapter 13 of east of Eden. You could pick it up, just read that. By itself, it has this extraordinary defense of individualism and this kind of warning against collectivism that is baked into A nonfiction book. And I think it is perhaps one of the most compelling, beautiful things that you can read on this topic. And I would just commend it to everyone in the audience. Go find. Find it, read it, Meditate on it for a bit. Because I think you're absolutely right. Like, there is a kind of current of it. It comes back every once in a while. And it is uniquely dangerous in ways that people just seem to not appreciate. And the various guises it arrives in are often different. Sometimes it's more nationalist. Sometimes it's more ethnic. Sometimes it's explicitly racial. Whatever it is, it takes us away from. From being able to recognize the dignity of the individuals. And something I say pretty regularly is if we fail to see one another as individuals, I think we meaningfully fail to see one another at all.

A (112:34)

Yeah. Yeah. Can I ask you about. I was talking to somebody just the other day. We were. It must have been here. We were here in New York, and somehow or another Kanye came up, and I said, I've never been. And I know you're a big fan of Kanye. I've never. I've never known my entire relationship, you know, as a person just watching where what's right. Because I went from indifference to, wow, this guy really is the real deal, to, oh, my gosh, look how brave he is, to, holy cow, he's terrifying. Oh, my gosh, he may be insane and terribly alone to now maybe he's on recovery. And I don't know if any of those are right. I don't know who the guy is. Yeah, who. Who is he?

D (113:26)

I'll say this. I've been a fan of Kanye's for as. As long as I can remember, perhaps for as long as he's been making. Making music professionally. And I recently interviewed Nico Belasteros, who's a young guy who made this documentary called In Whose Name about Kanye. And it really kind of tracked several incredibly important years of his life right before his most recent break. It pretty much ends with that Def CON tweet that he sent out, which was a pretty bad moment. And as a Kanye west fan, you've had your ups and your downs. You know, George Bush doesn't care about black people. You cringe at that. But what I think is undeniable is that he has suffered from profound mental illness, and it has contributed to a lot of the kind of eccentric, if I'm going to be generous, and really malignant behavior that he's engaged in over the years. And I think that that history of mental illness combined with what I think most people just don't really appreciate, like how deranging stardom is like to be on a pedestal, to be surrounded by people who for all intents and purposes are kind of sycophants. They're yes men. They want to tell you that you're great at all times. You don't know who you can really trust. They all depend on you for their lifestyle. In his case, he at least had a family who he had married into, and there seemed to be a real affection there. Certainly the behind the scenes stuff that I've seen suggests as much. But he was unwell. And at the moment, I'm hoping the recovery that he seems to be having is real. And that's just because I can't imagine not hoping for someone to find their way back to sanity, to find their way back to normalcy for the sake of his children, for the sake of, of, you know, the, the many, many fans who have been kind of impacted. But also just for his sake, I would love for him to find like, peace and happiness and to be able to produce music without like, helping to promote this contempt and enmity for other people on the basis of their, their religious beliefs or race.

A (115:24)

I have to tell you, I, I, I don't, I mean, I, I, I don't know how far you're going on this. The, you know, the destabilizing factor of fame that doesn't account necessarily for as far as he went. That's just, that's something else.

D (115:44)

Agreed.

A (115:45)

However, I will go with you on especially somebody like Kanye. You know, fame, it's, it's golden or velvet handcuffs. They want you handcuffed to what you do because you are a cash cow. And so you can't trust anyone around you because all they want is your next performance. That's all they want. And, or they want, you know, a piece of it or whatever. And would be a horribly lonely place, especially if you are sick, because they'll just go right with you to the gates of hell. Yeah. Nobody's gonna stand up and go, you're wrong. And, you know, risk you're gonna kick them out of the gravy train or they're not gonna, you're not gonna get the next album, you're not gonna get whatever. Yeah. Scary.

D (116:41)

Yeah. And again, I should say very clearly that none of this is about excusing his worst behavior at all. I think the, the key word here is empathy and trying to imagine how people end up in the position that they, and how in some circumstances, but for the grace of God you may have found yourself there is always worthwhile and I think rooting for people to meaningfully recover, to regain their health, to become a contributing, good member of the community that they're a part of again, I just, I can't not be optimistic and hopeful for that.

A (117:14)

I tell you, this is such an adult conversation. I don't know. America, you know what I mean? America does not like adult conversations right now.

D (117:21)

Everything has to. Some of us don't.

A (117:22)

Yeah. Some of, you know, just has to be so black and white. Trump is. I mean, we could be in. I don't. If, if conservatives or people who do not look at the collective that want the Constitution and the Declaration, and I include progressive Republicans in as enemies as well. But if they don't, if we don't win in 2028, it's coming back with a vengeance. This left. They are. They'll eat their young. And it scares the hell out of me. What do you see for the Republicans? Because they, they. I mean, they just blow their feet off with shotguns every day. They're so worthless. What do you see coming as the next face? Trump is leaving. As much as they want to say he's gonna run again, he's not.

D (118:24)

He's not running again.

A (118:24)

He's not running again. So what comes next?

D (118:28)

He's leaving the stage and he's leaving in a way that is just more uncertain than kind of any presidency that I can remember. Like, it's not clear that J.D. vance is the heir apparent and, you know, Marco Rubio is perhaps on equal standing with him in terms of the potential for someone to assume the mantle of maga.

A (118:47)

No way.

D (118:47)

But even that seems pretty uncertain. And at the moment, the infighting within the conservative movement is pretty extraordinary to observe, particularly amongst the kind of commentariat.

A (118:59)

Yeah, I know.

D (118:59)

And I have a difficult time. Was hoping you could illuminate this for me in terms of helping me understand what is creating it. But it does seem. Seem not disconnected from the fact that there just is not a clear, obvious power center in the party for kind of a post Trump world. And at the moment, I think conservatives are focused on the midterms. I think they know that the House, almost certainly something that they'll probably lose the Senate, it's less likely that they lose that, but it's at least up for grabs, which was kind of unimaginable two years ago. So. So it's a very disconcerting circumstance. I think that the country is well served by having two healthy political parties. And at the moment, they just don't have that.

A (119:43)

Neither of them are healthy.

D (119:44)

Yeah, they don't have that. And I wouldn't say that most left of center people don't have an appreciation for the Constitution or individualism.

A (119:52)

I hope you're right.

D (119:52)

But there is an extremist kind of derangement that had a hold of the

A (119:57)

party for a while and I think it still does for the left. The left still has that party at a cho. At a choke point. And I think there is a growing movement on the right that scares the hell out of me just as much. You know that there's. That, you know that the Enlightenment was the big mistake, Right?

D (120:18)

You're like, wait, post liberal, right?

A (120:20)

Yeah. We're going back to candles. What are you talking about?

D (120:26)

Please.

A (120:26)

No, I mean, that is crazy. It's crazy and that's terrifying.

D (120:32)

No, it's really frustrating. And I would love to think that we just kind of find our way through this, but it's a really disconcerting moment for the country in a lot of respects. And I do think that the important thing though is kind of what we were talking about earlier in this conversation, like talking about first principles again, helping younger people in particular understand why free expression is, is the essential right for a free society. You simply cannot be free if you don't have that.

A (121:01)

I just keep thinking that it's going to come back around. You know what I mean? It's just going to come back around. But these were never, these were new principles 250 years ago and they're still new. People go over Europe, they think they have what America has. They don't. Yeah. You know, we think that they're just as free as we are. They don't have the Bill of Rights.

D (121:26)

That's exactly right.

A (121:26)

It's completely different. And it's, it's scary because no, these are not self evident truths.

D (121:34)

That's right.

A (121:34)

Anymore.

D (121:35)

That's right.

A (121:35)

Just not.

D (121:36)

Yeah. And defending it is a forever war.

A (121:38)

Yeah. Yeah. It's so great to have you.

D (121:40)

It's wonderful to talk to you.

A (121:41)

Yeah.

D (121:42)

Appreciate you.

A (121:42)

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D (123:47)

So Dr. Anthony Fauci's.

A (123:50)

Yeah, this is conservative porn. Go ahead. I'm just. We just want some porn music.

D (123:55)

David Barins has just been indicted by the doj.

A (124:00)

Wait a minute. Say it again, but say it in that sexy berry white voice.

D (124:04)

Dr. Anthony Fauci's top advisor.

A (124:07)

Yeah, yeah,

D (124:13)

by the DOJ.

A (124:14)

So you know what that means is they're taking the guys underneath. Is this the guy who was like, Anthony is too smart to let anybody know. I just use this, use this email account because the other ones are with the government and they'll never figure it out if we use this one.

D (124:32)

There is no, this is a quote. There is no worry about foyas. I can either send stuff to Tony on his private Gmail or hand it

A (124:39)

to him at work or at his house.

D (124:40)

He is too smart to let colleagues.

A (124:42)

I mean, they're, they're coming, they're coming. I. You know what, Pam Bondi. Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Looks like some things are actually starting to happen. That is great, great news. Oh, and we'll be celebrating tomorrow. Yes, you don't want to miss a second of tomorrow's broadcast. Thanks for listening, and may God save the Republic.