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So there's been a lot of people who have written books about indoctrination and how it happens. But a guy who really knows where to look and knows the history of the CIA and other countries and their spy operations is Buck Sexton. Buck is a former CIA operative who then, strangely, wanted to go into banking. And I convinced him, no, no, you should do radio. You should come over to the Blaze. And he did. And now he is on the premier radio network and killing it every day, replacing the Rush Limbaugh program. But no hard feelings there, Buck. No, none at all. Anyway, so he's written a book called Manufacturing Delusion. Manufacturing Delusion is a book that will explain historically, how did these dictators do this? And then he's going to tie it together on what. What did they do that we're now doing in our own classrooms, in media, what's happening and how do we break it? Buck Sexton joins me in just about 60 seconds. First, rough greens. Imagine if you ate one heavily processed meal every single day for 10 years. How do you think you'd feel? I mean, I had a. I had a McDonald's hamburger the other day. I'm not even sure that was meat. I'm. I'm being serious. I'm not sure anymore. You'd probably feel a little crappy. You'd move slower. Digestion wouldn't probably be great. Your skin wouldn't look the best. You'd probably notice something wasn't quite right. Now think about your dog. Your dog will eat the same dry, highly processed kibble day after day, year after year. And it might keep them full, but that doesn't mean it's giving them what their body needs to thrive. And that's where rough greens comes in. It's not a new food. It's a daily nutritional supplement that you put right on top of the dog food that you're already feeding your dogs. They love it. Uno used to run to the bowl to eat, and he ate. We used to have to Hand feed him. It was like feeding a baby. Open up. Here comes the airplane. It was crazy until we started putting rough greens on his food. Then he loved it and he changed. More energy. You felt better. You could just tell. You cover shipping and you get a free Jumpstart trial bag. Use the discount code Beck to claim your free Jumpstart trial bag@ruffgreens.com ruffgreens.com use the promo code Beck. Buck, my man. How are you, Glenn?

Glenn Beck (49:13)

I'm great. Thank you so much for having me on. And thank you for convincing me 15 years ago not to go to an Ivy League business school and to come work for you instead at your company. It all worked out.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (49:25)

It all worked out. I mean, imagine how different you would be if you had gone to that Ivy League education. Maybe it would have been different for you because, I mean, you talk about in manufacturing delusion, you know, the tricks of indoctrination. So maybe it would have been different from you.

Glenn Beck (49:44)

Yeah, I would hope that I could have continued to stay sane. I mean, look, the basis of this book, the basic idea, it comes out of the madness of COVID But it's not a Covid book. It's ok. Everybody we know, we read about these other places. We're familiar with mind control in the Soviet Union, with the cultural revolution in Maoist China, and how insane that got with the reality of North Korea today. We know that that all exists and that all has happened, but how is it that in this country, we basically, collectively, not all of us, but as a country, went insane during COVID And I was like, well, if it's possible on that, you know, it's possible on other things, too. And there's actually smaller bouts of, of politicized insanity, blm, climate change, the gender madness. I mean, I have a whole chapter, Glenn, and you would, you would love this.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (50:39)

By the.

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Legitimately, I'm sure people says, glenn, you will actually love this book. I go back into the writings of a World War II Dutch psychiatrist named Dr. Joost Meerloo. And he coined the term menticide. He wrote a book called Rape of the Mind. He sat down with Nazis, Nazi prisoners of war to say, how did you do this? Basically? How did you make a whole country go insane? And he approached this as a psychiatrist, as a practitioner, and came up with this framework. Well, the framework, Glenn, is applicable to some of the brainwashing, some of the things we see going on here in America today. And so that's why the book, it's. It's history. But it's a history that informs what's happening right now. And the gender madness we're seeing is a huge part of chapter two.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (51:23)

So, Buck, I just want you to know you had me at former German scientist. I just know you. You had me there. So where are we seeing this really? Because I think we're being hit by education, we're being hit by jihadis, we're being hit by. We're being hit by Marxists. Are they all using the same tactics?

Glenn Beck (51:55)

Yes, there is a similarity. Now, the reason I broke it down into the chapters. The chapters are essentially all variations on the theme of what we call brainwashing. That's the most general term practitioners, Glenn, psychiatrists, they actually call it mind control or coercive mind control. And that will include things like cult indoctrination. In the book I get into under the Identity Construction chapter, I'll get into jihadis again, into some of the cult stuff, Om Shinrikyo. And that's stuff that people should be very aware of as well, because it's effectively a totalitarian state without the state. It's the full control of individuals that is achieved through this mind control process without having a massive secret police. You know, it's one thing for the Soviet Union to do it, it's another thing for Maoist China to do it. But to operate on an individual or much smaller basis. That's obviously what you see going on in cults. But I break this down and do conditioning. And I start with Pavlov. Fascinating stuff about Ivan Pavlov, Nobel Laureate and really the beginning of our scientific conception of understanding that what your brain is taking in affects your body directly, right? And there's this. You get into the sort of the reflex and the conditional reflex, which is initially what it was called. We call it, you know, conditioning. Now it's a whole series of behavioralism training, but conditional reflex. But here's what Pavlov learned that was really interesting, Glenn. There was a. It was at the time was Leningrad, St. Petersburg. They've changed name a bunch of times, but there was a flood at his lab and the dogs in the lab almost drowned. And it was one of these things where the water was rising, the water's rising, these dogs.

Stephen Shaw (53:37)

And I'm.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (53:38)

I'm a huge dog person.

Glenn Beck (53:39)

So I get like upset just thinking about this. But the dogs were freaking out and freaking out. The lab technician, not Pavlov, got there, freed the dogs last minute, and they had not only a complete erasure of the conditioning that they had had because of this Trauma. They also had extreme behavioral changes apart from that. Meaning some that were docile became aggressive, some that were aggressive became docile. So this set this light off. And you know who thought it was really interesting that there was this new series of behavioralism training going on. Lenin himself. Lenin, yeah. Stalin. The Soviets. And they started paying very close attention to this. And they came up with Glenn, some step by step and some. Here's how you do it. And that's a lot of the meat of the book is looking into those practices, you know, isolation, keeping people confused, keeping people frack atomized in society. There's all these different things,

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (54:36)

you know, I've heard from. Because I've changed my approach to the show recently, you know, in the last. It's been happening over the last three, four or five months. And I'm trying just to explain things more than anything else. Just try to help clarify things so people can understand it. Less opinion, maybe, and more just. Here's what's actually happening and how it works. And my gut has told me that is so important because the world doesn't need more opinions and it doesn't need more electric shocks to it. The only way out is through reason. Am I accurate on that at all? Do you see any evidence that. I mean, how do you get out of this?

Glenn Beck (55:27)

This is where I go. This is where the book sort of finishes in the last chapter. And the final arguments are. People need to understand that the advice, the call to arms, if you will, from Solzhenitsyn, the great Soviet dissident of live not by lies. You have people ask me, how do we avoid this stuff? Because this lays out the different tactics. It lays out confusion and degradation as the twin pillars of menticide. For example, it lays out.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (55:56)

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Just wait. Explain each of those as you go through them real quickly. Just explain them.

Glenn Beck (56:02)

So.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (56:03)

So.

Glenn Beck (56:03)

So in the menticidal process, in order to unmoor you from your ethics, your sense of self, your sense of reality around you, they want to keep you confused. Now they can lock you in a cell, cut you off from all daylight and, you know, blast music in. There's things that they can physically do, but also there are ways that you can just try to keep people confused through propaganda, confused through messaging, so they don't have the basic moral understanding. And degradation is really a degradation of your ability to understand the most fundamental truth. And this is why I get into the transgender madness that sees this country. Because, Glenn, under a menticidal framework, if you are willing to affirm the most Obvious madness, which is that a man can become a woman and that there's no biological advantage. These sorts of things. You are not just conceding on that issue. You are degrading your own brain's ability to make the most basic distinctions and undermining the confidence that you have in your perception of reality. This is a key step in mirror loose menticide. This is a key step in how. And this is why. It can be done with extreme force, but it can also be done with extreme messaging all throughout the society around us. And so that's what we get into.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (57:21)

It was. Some of. Some of that is through extreme force. Because if you didn't. If you didn't go along with it, you were ostracized, you were out.

Glenn Beck (57:32)

Yeah, it's just a difference of what the punishments are. I mean, one of them. There's a whole. There's a whole chapter, Glenn, where I get into what really happened in China and the incredible. Now, the Chinese, the Maoists borrowed from the Stalinists, who of course, were like, hey, we have this new Soviet man that we're going to build. This guy Pavlov, you know, Pavlov, by the way, actually hated the Soviets, the whole other thing. But this guy Pavlov, we can build on his scientific knowledge and we can just basically turn people into robots. Not really that easy.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (58:01)

Right?

Glenn Beck (58:02)

That's. That's a. One of the good news parts of this is that every human being, you could say, because of our underlying makeup, you could say because of our soul, you can't just flip a switch and get the same outcome. It's not actually a machine, but there

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (58:14)

is a process here.

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And what they would do in Maoist China. And there was a psychologist, Robert Lifton, who traveled there right at the early phase of the Chinese Cultural Revolution, and he said one of the things they would come up with is people would have to. They would force confessions. Glenn, this also goes to degradation. Forced confessions. No. And the people would write things that were crazy. And the point was, they had them go through it over and over and over again, and they would tell them, your confession is not sincere enough. So they would know that they're lying. Everyone knows that they're lying. They're confessing to crazy crimes, you know, treason that they never could have done. It'd be like me sitting here writing that I assassinated Abraham Lincoln. They're like, well, that is not a sincere enough confession. Try again. Try again. This is how they break people down. Glenn, this is to your point, when you don't use the preferred pronouns. Maybe you get fired. You say, man up. Maybe you get excused from the corporate meeting. Like, these are threads. These are trends in mind control that have seized this country. And Pavlovian conditioning. Wear a mask even when everyone knows you're outside. I mean, all these things that we did, these physical manifestations of obedience, are meant to train our minds into a way that we can be molded and weaponized for politics. And what you're saying about all the messages everywhere and why it's so important not to live, to live not by lies now, because of technology and AI. I mean, Glenn, I'm sure you come across this, too. Sometimes even among my own staff on the show, we'll say, oh, guys, is this. Is this AI? Is this real? And we do this for a living, trying to figure out what's real, what's not. I know this is only going to increase. And once you add neural implants, which are just over the horizon into the game, mechanistic mind control. I mean, really controlling the synapses becomes more of a scientific reality. So the ultimate control is control over your mind. And in manufacturing delusion, you will understand how the bad guys do this and how you avoid this. Glenn, it took me 18 months to write. It took the CIA six months to clear. So this is a true labor of love. And I really think that everybody. It's meant to be read, and it can even be read chapter by chapter. You have to read the whole thing at once. Although I think some people get through it quickly. It is readable more than once. It is readable as a reference. And I throw some cool CIA stories in there that I've never told before because the time has elapsed, and I

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (60:32)

can talk about it now. So there you go. Can I hold you over for a break real quick? One minute? Of course. I love it. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah. All right. More with Buck Sexton here in a six. I want to get into the solution here, but first, let me tell you about the burner launcher. Let me paint a picture for you. It's Saturday afternoon, youth soccer game. Dozens of parents lined up, you know, along the sidelines. You know, they got chairs and coffee cups, and, you know, everybody's trying to pretend they're. They're not more competitive than their kids. Everything is normal, right? Until two dads. Two dads decide, you know, it is in fact, the World Cup. Voices rise and shoulders square, and one of them takes a step forward, a little too aggressive. And now you got a crowd, you got kids watching, situation escalating faster than it should. Here's the thing, moments like this can get out of hand and go from that to life and death at a drop of a hat. It starts out sometimes as ego, as heat and somebody who doesn't know how to back down. And that is the situation to where you know you do not want to get involved. But if it starts to really get out of hand, you, you have a burner launcher, chemical irritant projectiles that will stop the threat coming at you and create distance without using any kind of deadly force. It's legal in all 50 states, doesn't require a permit. Right now Byrna is offering 10% off site wide in honor of President's Day. Just go to byrnaby r n a.com Glenn learn more about it. Try before you buy at a sportsman's warehouse located near you. It's byrna by r n a dot com glenn 10 seconds station ID. From the Pilgrims to the Bill of Rights the American Story the Beginnings is an immersive audio series on the founding of America exclusively for Torch members at glenn beck.com so Buck, I want to first teach you how to sell a book. Whenever you're doing an interview, you should say in like every other sentence, as I say in Manufacturing Delusion, as I talk about in my book Manufacturing Delusion. Make sure you keep hammering the name of your book. Oh sure I will. But he, but here is the, here's you were just talking about with AI. You know, I've been thinking about this Gutenberg. He, when the press was done, he made. He gave ownership to the truth. People could own the truth because really only the very, very few had the truth because it was written down. But then this started to spread the ownership of the truth. And then radio comes in and we start to hear the truth. And we relate to it differently because we've heard it firsthand. Then television and now we see and hear it. So we relate to it again differently. The Internet comes in and it starts to destroy credibility. Now AI, AI, I believe, is going to make the truth irrelevant if we're not careful. Because why tell one big lie when instead you can tell 100 million little lies, each one built for that individual. That will take them way off track. I mean, truth is something that is becoming very slippery. Very slippery.

Glenn Beck (63:54)

Well, it's, it's absolutely the case that we're entering a realm now where first of all you have people that are claiming to have an absolute control over the truth as part of living in a free society, which is of course contradictory. But we just went through this with the disinformation czar. I was calling her Marxist. Mary Poppins, remember her? Under the Biden administration, this notion that we are going to be able to have government bodies and bureaus that are the gatekeepers of conversation and what is allowed to be said and what's going on, that we're already there. And you see this in other places. And one of the reasons I talk about North Korea a bit in the book is just so people understand.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (64:40)

In what book was that?

Glenn Beck (64:41)

And another one.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (64:43)

What book is that? I'm sorry.

Glenn Beck (64:46)

Thank you, Glenn. Manufacturing Delusion, which is a fantastic book, which you should all get right now. I am. I am behind on the list right now. Glay.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (64:57)

Glenn, as I say in my book, as I wrote in my book Manufacturing Delusion, that's all you have to add anyway, so go ahead as you write in your book Illusion.

Glenn Beck (65:07)

What I need, I need the massive audience of Glenn Beck to help me because I'm stuck behind a woman named Bunny XO on the list right now. I'm sure she's lovely, but I want to get ahead of Bunny Xo, I think, is Jelly Rolls Wife. So her memoir is. Is rocketing up the charts. Anyway, I was like, bunny X. Oh, wow. Point being, look, the reality here of the technology that we're facing and what this is going to do to people's perception. We are running an experiment right now that has never been run before with humanity, where we are subject to. And that's why it's brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda. Right. Propaganda is the stuff that's just. It's everywhere. It's anywhere. It's anytime, all time, all the time. And we carry around. You know, you're obviously Glenn, A radio guy for. For many. For decades now, we carry around these multimedia propaganda devices with us 247 and are subjecting ourselves. So in Manufacturing Delusion, I get to how you need to view. First of all, propaganda didn't even start out as a bad thing, per se. It actually comes from the Catholic Church, which I think is particularly interesting. It was for the propagation of the faith. There was a Latin term, and that's where we got propaganda from. It was the true faith was being spread by the Catholic Church. That was the origins of the term. And then in the 20th century, with the rise of mass media, most notably radio, but also, I mean, in Stalinist, Stalinist Russia, the Soviet Union, there was a massive effort of using posters and cartoons and things like that.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (66:42)

Yeah.

Glenn Beck (66:43)

Now we're at a place where they can make a video of some figure that you think is on your side, who's saying something you hate. We have to be more attuned to the truth and a manufacturing delusion, Glenn. That is the mission. And that's why I need everybody to

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (66:57)

go get the book. All right. Thank you so much. I learned.

Glenn Beck (67:01)

See, he knows.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (67:01)

He's been teaching me, you know, it's good. It's good. Buck Sexton, get the book. Manufacturing Delusion. I will be ordering it when we go into the break. Manufacturing delusion. Get it now. Buck, always great to have you. Thank you. All right, let me tell you about preborn. Preborn helps help save 80,000 lives last year alone. 80,000. That's not a talking point. That's not a theory. 80,000 babies who are alive today because a mom, in a moment of fear and uncertainty was given a chance to see and hear the life she was carrying. I like to double that number because I think it saved not only the life of the baby. 80,000. But also 80,000 moms who are not walking around with that kind of weight on them, that kind of regret. You know, preborn's not trying to make a statement here other than it's a baby. It's a baby. And when moms see that baby and they see that ultrasound and they hear that heartbeat, it changes the conversation, changes the atmosphere, and it turns the abstract decision into a human reality. Preborn connects women with local clinics that provide free ultrasounds and compassionate care so they can slow down, breathe and make an informed choice. 80,000 children in one year. That's what happens if you get involved. Please give dial pound250, say the keyword baby. Keyword baby pound250 or go to preborn.com

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. Thank you so much for listening. Let me go to Tracy. Hello, Tracy. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program.

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Hello, Glenn, Jason and fellow insiders.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (69:09)

How are you, buddy?

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I'm good. I just, I had a question or

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get your opinion on something. Republicans set on all these committees that

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (69:22)

are led by Democrats.

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I guess that's how it works.

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Do they fear retaliation and losing certain

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perks if they voice their opinions?

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (69:32)

Yes.

Brendan Carr (69:33)

And is that why they stay quiet?

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (69:35)

Yes. Yes. They, they, you know, you always, you will always sell your soul. You'll know when you're talking to somebody who has sold their soul and they've done it Honestly, they think they're doing the right thing, but they've ended up selling their soul. They will say, I had to make this compromise because I wanted to get onto this committee because it's so important that I'm on this committee. When you hear that, they'll mean it, honestly. But you can look them in the eye and say, dude, you sold your soul. Once you take that first step and compromise like that, it's just now, it's just now it's just going to keep going downhill because now what will you do to stay on that committee? And you know, the other, the other big thing you'll hear from representatives and senators is I got to stay here because if I'm gone, who's going to. Wait a minute. You. I mean, you're the, you're the one. I can't tell you how many times Mike Lee has called me when Glenn, I'm leaving, I can't do it anymore. And I'm like, Mike, you gotta stay. You gotta stay. I mean, there are, there are those, those senators and congressmen that I do know that just do not want to be there because they at times feel like it's a huge waste of time. And they're the ones usually that will stand up against all odds. All odds. Thank you for being a Torch insider. By the way, Tracy, let me go to Scotty in Kansas who I think also is a torch insider. Hello, Scotty.

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Hi, I am Colin.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (71:07)

I just wanted to give a big

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thank you to you, Glenn and all of our Torch family. It's been a roller coaster

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (71:18)

recently and

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I have found so much strength from you.

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My wife and I are about to

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celebrate our 10 year anniversary

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and we now have three children.

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Our twins were born just back in November and has been so great to hear from you and to just be uplifted every day, to feel empowered, to know what might be coming down the line and to be able to prepare.

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But I just wanted to share some, some good news. You know, families are being built.

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My wife and I just bought our first house back in September and it's a lot of hard work, but it's worth it.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (72:00)

And I'm just so grateful for everything that you do. Thank you, Scotty. I appreciate it. Happy anniversary. What's your wife's name? My wife's name is Jenny. Jenny. Both Scotty and Jenny. Happy anniversary. Thank you so much.

Brendan Carr (72:15)

Thank you.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (72:16)

I want to talk to you about. It is so easy to get lost. It is so easy to be down. And Scotty is right. I'm going to talk to a guy here in about 20 minutes. He's talking about the population collapse that is coming our way because nobody's having children for a myriad of reasons, and we don't even understand all of the reasons. But it's easy to get down. You just have to focus and do the next right thing. Live your life, raise children, get married, love your wife, love your husband, make God the center of your universe. And it's. Everything is going to work out the way it's supposed to work out. It may not be easy, but it will work out exactly the way it's supposed to work out. Let me, Let me. I want to take you to New York now. They're giving you a little positive. Let me take you to New York. And Mamdani. This is insane. So Mamdani has just released his budget. His new budget is $127 billion for New York City. So, you know, that is $10 billion higher than the entire budget of Florida. Okay, that's. Florida is three times the population. New York City has 8.5 million. Florida has 23 million people. And they're somehow or another getting, getting by with $10 billion less. How's that possible? New York City is so small. You can fit 178 New York cities into Florida. And somehow or another Florida is able just to get by. Now he's. He knows even though his budget is going to be $127 billion, he knows he now has to raise taxes. What a surprise. But he also has to cut the budget. Here's his latest proposal on cutting the budget. By the way, I wish I would have bought more property in Florida because, I mean, if you have the money, buy all kinds of Florida property because you're going to become very, very wealthy. Because Florida and Texas land is going to go through the roof. Here's what he's doing to New York City to cut the budget. He is. He is going to cancel the hiring of 5,000 policemen. New York City was putting an extra 5,000 police officers onto the streets, hired him. He's now canceling all of that. And he's proposing cuts to the police. Not, not just in personnel, but to the police department. He's going to propose cuts. That's where he's going to save money. Get the hell out of there. Get out of there. Get out of Washington State, I think. Get out of California. They are going to trap you and your money. There they are. It's just, It's a matter of time. Look at what else he has done. Mamdani. Has hired another three founders of the Muslim group that blamed October 7th on Israel. On October 7th, not like months later, they were saying this day one, you. He's just appointed three officials. Let's see. They said all kinds of crazy things. I don't need to go through that. One of them is Aaliyah Latif. She is good friends with Linda Sarsour, notorious anti Semite. She became the executive director of the Mayor's Office of Faith Based Partnerships. Okay, that's going to go over really well. Her. The mayor announced it at an interfaith breakfast at which she urged city clergy. Clergy to resist immigration enforcement. She also has just reposted accusations that Israel is committing genocide. Um, she also was reposting support for Marcellus Williams. He is a Muslim convicted of murder who was executed in September of 2024. He was found guilty of stabbing a reporter with the St. Louis Post Dispatch. But it happens to everybody, especially when you stab them 43 times. She was standing with that guy. You also have Alvarez Low. Alvaro Lopez. He's a former official with a Democratic Socialist of America. Lopez called people who ripped down fliers of Israeli hostages heroes. He wrote a socialist strategy for Palestinian solidarity in 2024 that included convincing voters that US aid to Israel causes declining living living standards. Mamdani also hired Drashdi Bombat, who led a campus movement calling on Brown University to divest from companies that do business with the Jewish state as a college student. And he was an Advisor on the 100 day planning and implementation of that. Also, he replaced the executive director of the Mayor's office to combat antisemitism with a left wing activist who has openly bashed Israel. So you're they're in charge of anti Semitic stopping anti Semitism, huh? That's really interesting. Another co founder of the Muslim Democratic Committee in New York, Faiza Ali, became commissioner of the Mayor's Office of Immigrant affairs on Tuesday. Between 2007 and 11, Ali worked for the New York branch of the Council of American Islamic Relations, otherwise known as care. This is the same care that was happy to see on October 7th, happy to see the attack on Israel. During Ali's time with care, she was a vocal supporter of the proposed Ground Zero mosque. You remember that she dismissed anybody who was against the building of that mosque near Ground Zero as an anti Muslim hater. She also represented CARE at a 2010 press conference. She was one promoting that project. Ali also defended Zara Belew, the leader of San Francisco Bay Area CARE chapter who refused to denounce Jihad or Sharia. Does any of this sound like maybe the Islamization of New York? I told you this before he was elected. What this really has to do. In fact, I'm going to give you what Linda Sarsour said. Linda Sarsour, she is. She is a raging anti Semite and, you know, Muslim Brotherhood style. Muslim Islamist. I put her into the Islamist category. She said right before the election. The story is not that it's random. It's not a random story that Zoran ascended to the mayoral race. It's Muslim money. I'm quoting. And she said, if the anti Israel extremism actually sends you to City Hall, I will hold Mamdani accountable. He will not do whatever the hell he wants when he gets to City Hall. So we now know. I mean, I don't think he's going to have to be held very tightly to the Islamists, you know, dealings and everything that they want Mamdani to do as well as the socialists, because I think that's who he is. But this is the Islamization of, of the west and of New York City. And that is going to happen in city after city. You've already seen it. It's happening in Dearborn, it's happening in Minnesota. It's happening all over. And it's well planned. It's out in the open. You know what? I was with Peter Schweizer last night. He was giving a talk in West Palm and he was talking about his book, the Invisible Coup. If you're buying Buck Sexton's book, you should also buy this one as well, the Invisible Coup. I think this is one of the most important books to understand what is actually happening with our border, why they are protesting so hard to make sure that we don't pick any of these people up off the street, that this is not ended and exposed. This is the book. You know, I saw that the FBI and Trump now is reaching out to the Mexican government because they think that Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie's mom, is actually maybe over the border in Mexico and they're looking for help. The Mexicans aren't. They're a hostile nation. And I know that sounds crazy because I've never considered them a hostile nation until you read this book and you see the facts that Peter has laid out. The president of Mexico and so many others in their Senate are saying this is a hostile takeover of the United States. We are going to take our territory from the Mexican line all the way to Montana. We're taking that territory back. And they're openly talking about it. But we're not talking about it here. Nobody's talking about it here. You need to know these things because we have hostiles in our own country. And until we can name the problem, we're never going to solve it. All right. More in just a minute. Let me talk to you about Patriot Mobile. Let me ask you something strange. If you found out your grocery store was donating a portion of every purchase you, you, everything that you buy there and they were donating it to something you completely disagreed with, would you keep shopping there just because it was right around the corner or would you go find one that was maybe a few blocks down? I mean, that's what I would do. I'll take my business elsewhere. Yet every single month, most of us pay a cell phone bill without ever thinking about what the company is funding, who they support, or what ideas they're actively promoting. Patriot Mobile exists for people who don't want their money drifting into places they'll never personally walk into. They would never support it. 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Stephen Shaw (83:44)

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Stephen Shaw (86:37)

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. There is a, there's something going on with humans all over the world and we don't understand it. There's lots of supposed reasons for it. But let's, before we even get to the reasons, let's understand what this is. This, this population implosion. We are not having children. There is declining birth rates everywhere in the world. And a guy who is a data scientist, Stephen Shaw, who has been studying this and probably the leading expert on it's going to be joining us here in just a second. What is actually happening? Why does he think it's happening and what does it mean to us in our everyday life and for our children? We'll get to that in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about real estate agents I trust. This is one of my companies and it is something that was born out of frustration. My brother and I were both trying to sell our house at the same time and neither of us knew how to interview an agent and know that we had the right person and we both having problems selling the house. So we started working with the 500 Best Real Estate agents in the country. That's according to the Wall Street Journal. And we learned from them. I remember asking them over and over again, so what makes you different? Why are you so successful? What do you do that others don't. And I learned so much and my brother and I started talking, why don't we, why don't we do a referral service and, and we'll go and seek these people out beyond the 500 best. Let's use their own set of what made them great and look for those qualities in other real estate agents and that way we can recommend them to people. It's a free service to you. I don't charge you anything. Just go to real estate agents I trust dot com. We'll show you the best real estate agent in your area, at least according to our standards and what we look for. They're all pretty much fans of the show as well. And there's only, I think maybe 3,000 of them, 4,000 of them around the country. We have a waiting list over 10, 10,000. We just can't monitor that many people because we want to make sure that they do what we're telling you they're going to do, treat you right and sell your house and buy your next house with the best experience you can have and save the most amount of money. It's real estate agents I trust. Realestateagentsitrust.com Steven, welcome to the program. I don't even know where to begin with you.

Stephen Shaw (89:32)

Well, I like your introduction because this is a crisis unlike any other crisis that we're facing. We're facing a lot of crises, Glenn, and this one, I think should be at the top of the agenda simply because we don't know what the solution is. I think every other crisis we could kind of come up with ideas of solutions. Nuclear proliferation. If you down other avenues in the environment, you can at least have a conversation. But this one, really, there's no example of a nation that's ever recovered from this.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (90:01)

I'm going to get into the stats here in a second with you. I want you to explain, you know, how bad the problem is, but do we even know what's causing the problem?

Stephen Shaw (90:12)

Well, we've, we've a pretty good idea of what it's not. Okay, so that's a good starting point.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (90:19)

All right, so let's get into that, let's get into that here in a second. Tell me, what is the problem? What are the numbers showing?

Stephen Shaw (90:27)

The numbers are showing two things that to me, really take us down to a much deeper understanding than saying that we've got a birth rate problem that's much too generalized. What are those two things? Mothers have been remarkable, I guess, fathers too. But we got so much data on Mothers. That's what we talk about. Do you know that mothers in the US are having more children now than they were in the 80s? Even mothers in Japan are having the same number of children as 1970. Same across much of Europe. So once you have your first child, you're actually going on to have two, maybe three children, just as much as your mother's generation and even in some cases, grandmothers. So it's not about mothers. Yeah, I mean, this is through incredible shifts in education, opportunities for women, political shifts, cultural shifts in many parts of the world. Mothers are, to me, incredibly resilient and by inference, fathers too. No, this is about childlessness. It's about those people, and I believe the majority of them did plan to become parents. In fact, I'm quite certain of that. This is about the people who probably would have wanted to become a parent, but things didn't work out. And that really takes us down to a much deeper understanding of why is it that many people who plan to become a parent. And I know this will resonate with many of your listeners, and to be honest with you, the people I have met who have been in this category, they often talk of grief. So my heart goes out to any of your listeners who dreamed of a family and for whatever reason, not meeting the right partner, things not lining up, divorce, breakup. And if you look at the data from Japan to Europe, US even now, southern India is seeing the same thing you're finding. The number of people with no children who dreamed of it is the real heart of this issue.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (92:31)

Okay, so is that possibly linked at all with the way our society now is saying don't get married early, you know, do your career. And so you're in your 30s sometimes before you get married, and then things, you, you just wait a couple more years and all of a sudden you've just timed out. Does that have anything to do with it?

Stephen Shaw (92:53)

I mean, I mean, you're exactly, you're exactly on the money. It. It's not only linked to it from data. We can take data now from about 40 different nations where we've got good data. And all we need to know is what's the average age that a woman is having her first child? And a little bit about how early are people starting family, how late, but it's really that middle age for the US right now that's 28 years old. For many countries, that's 30 or older for first child. That alone predicts about 80 to 90% of birth rates. So it's all linked to age. And again, to me, what's quite remarkable, we're very good. Every nation talks about its own issues. It's the price of real estate, it's work life balance, it's, you know, southern Europe, it's youth unemployment, it's gender issues in Korea. But no, you look at the data and it cuts through all of this. The reality is, without exception, every nation has a straight line in terms of the age of motherhood. It goes up every year, up and up and up. And with it, birth rates come down. And we're noticing this right now, Glenn. It's in the news almost daily in some cases. The reality is this started in the 70s, but we didn't really know this because people who delayed parenthood in the early 70s mostly had a chance to catch up and have a child mid-20s, late-20s. We're now at a point where people are starting so late, it gets more and more challenging for different reasons to really have your first child. You know, 33, 35, 37. Of course it can happen, but for more and more people, it simply doesn't.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (94:45)

So where is it the worst and why?

Stephen Shaw (94:51)

South Korea and the worry I have. Yes. So the average woman in South Korea is having 0.7 children. Oh my gosh, US is 1.6. That's not good because we need around 2.2.1 children per family. Basically everyone having two kids on average for a pop to remain stable. South Korea is at one third of that level.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (95:23)

Why? Why, why is South Korea so bad?

Stephen Shaw (95:26)

Well, they've got the double triple whammy going on. What has happened is not only has the age of motherhood now reached nearly 33 years old, that's for first child. It's reached so late that the likelihood of a woman ever becoming a mother in South Korea is now less than 50%. Only 45% of women there ever become mothers. And the extra challenge they now have because it's happening so late, 40% of women there only have one child. Usually it's around 20% in most nations, even neighboring Japan, it's around 20%. So not only is it incredibly unlikely now for a woman to have a child in South Korea, it's more and more likely that she'll only have one.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (96:17)

So is this at all caused by Western civilization? I mean, the way we have, the way we've prioritized our lives now, and in many cases, away from, you know, creationism, away from the family is sacred, that, you know, that humans are supposed to multiply and be fruitful instead, you know, put yourself first, put the you know, your, your, your business first or whatever, because is this happening across all cultures or is it just the Western culture?

Stephen Shaw (96:58)

Glenn, this is every culture you research. And even southern India now has birth rates as low as 1.6, the same as the US and has been at that level in some cases.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (97:10)

It's not, it's not. Is, it's not Islam, is it?

Stephen Shaw (97:14)

No. Well, do you know, I get to, you know, I'm lucky. I get to speak in places around the world. I get to meet governments around the world. And I've been to the Middle east three times in the past year with governments deeply worried about the rapid falling birth rates in the Middle East. So what's the common link? Because you're not too far. Well, to be honest with you, you were really right. We've lost something in all communities. And what is it driven by, perhaps innocently, perhaps otherwise, we have turned our 20s into a decade of education, education, education, without thinking about family, future family, and then career development, career development, career development. And when you, when I get to talk to young people that in the US today, a woman turning 30 without a child has at most a 50% chance of ever becoming a mother age 30 if you haven't already had your first child. And that's the same in all of these countries. In fact, in Japan, it's even younger. It's only 26. So we have put so much focus on other things other than family and frankly haven't been honest to ourselves, partly because few people have known the data. I hope that changes unless a societies the reality. CDC data will tell you that around 90% of women either have or want kids. And that really hasn't changed very much. It's come down a little bit, but not what you might hear in the press. Nobody wants kids, really. That's twisting certain facts. I see all the time 90% or more of women do want children one day. But when you hear the reality today for the US is we're looking now close to as few as six out of ten ever becoming mothers. That gap in, I think people's dreams for family and young people's assumptions that, hey, society's got me covered, they're telling me to get an education, they're telling me to work hard, and of course then I'm going to be able to meet someone and settle down because that's what most people want to do. And then finding out as many as 30% of women dreaming of a family end up childless.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (99:34)

Steven, does the, the fact that for some reason this new generation Is not having as much sex as every other generation before? Is that going to pile on to this and make it worse?

Stephen Shaw (99:53)

We haven't seen that yet and I'm not sure it will. But when you look at all of the challenges, my kids are in their 20s. You see the challenges of this generation, relationships, sex, certainly in terms of devoting time to spending time alone, perhaps gaming, etc. To me those are not causes. There are actually consequences. It used to be in all societies that a young man and woman would have a family by mid-20s. They'd have different responsibilities, they would mature in certain ways. Right now, let's say you're 20 years old and there's someone you're quite interested in. You're not thinking at that age, mostly they might be the person I settle down and have family with because for many people that's 10 years away. So what do you do? You fill up your 20s with other things. What's the point in investing in a relationship? What's the point of, you know, developing a path in life that would prepare me for children? That comes in the 30s. And I think my speculation is a lot of the current issues and challenges with younger people stem from the reality we're no longer doing what we used to do in our 20s, which was start to raise a family.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (101:18)

Yeah, hold, you hold for one minute. I got to take a quick network break and then we'll be back. It was Stephen Shaw talking about the population implosion that is coming and what does this mean for the future, near future, and what can be done to correct it.

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Stephen Shaw (104:07)

Yeah. Well, to focus on the US For a moment, we're already seeing the impact in parts of Europe and Japan and Korea. US has benefited from more open immigration than many countries and that is a balancing factor. But the low birth rate is now at a point really where balancing this with immigration will be a challenge even for the U.S. so if you look forwards, I like to look at the time frame that the total number of births in the country will half. For the US Births are going to half if they stay the same as they are now. And I don't think they're going down. Births are going to half in the US every 80 years. So by the end of the century, instead of something close to 4 million births, you're going to have around 2 million births per year. Now even in the year 2100, you may not notice that in New York City or Chicago because you know what people most likely will still flock to cities. There will still be congestion. It will feel crowded. But you go to the slightly more urban, slightly more rural areas, and you'll find those are communities that will be decimated. Communities with. The first thing that happens is the schools close down. What happens when schools close down? Young parents, potential parents, move away. They move to other areas that become more expensive because that's where the jobs are and the older people get left behind in the decaying towns. Social Security, well, we already have issues with national debts and being able to afford Social Security and health care. These are the good days when it comes to that. I just can't imagine how we're going to, you know, face the mounting debts from the shrinking number of workers that this implies. And yes, it may be that AI and robots will help our efficiency, but the scale at which we're going to need to increase productivity to counter that, to keep our societies maintained the way they are, is a very big question indeed. So basically, all the cards are against this in terms of how government functions, how we think look after society, as well as the idea of, you know, I spent about seven years in Detroit City, in the suburbs, of course, because at that time, anyway, sort of around the time of the bankruptcy in 2013, and no one lived in the center then, everyone lived in the suburbs because, you know, what happened now, that wasn't because of population decline, but the exact same impact of decaying the imploding cities and bankruptcies. Yeah, we're talking multiple city bankruptcies and not being able to.

Brendan Carr (106:41)

Yeah.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (106:42)

Stephen, I'm fascinated by this. My staff said, glenn, once you talk to Steven, this is all you're going to think about. I'd love to have you back and I'd love to spend a podcast with you and talk about the rest of this. But also, what can we do besides go out and have sex and have children? Go have children and you can educate yourself. Go to birthgap.org birthgap.org Stephen Shaw is the writer and producer of Birth Gap. Check out the information. Check out his website. And, Stephen, I'd love to have you back. Thank you so much.

Stephen Shaw (107:18)

Look forward to it. Thank you.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (107:20)

You bet. We have the chairman of the FCC on with us next. Interested to see how this is going to play out in America? First, let me tell you about our sponsor. It's Relief Factor. You know, when did you start accepting pain as just part of getting older? Okay. Because that is your first thought as you're getting older, you're like, it's Just getting older. Don't, don't do that, don't do that. You know, things your body starts to reject. You know, the stairs or whatever, you know, just standing up somewhere along the way, a lot of us just shrug and say, okay, that's how it is. But it doesn't have to be, does it? Relief factor developed by doctors to support your body's natural response to inflammation. Because inflammation is often the real culprit behind that daily aching and stiffness. This is not about masking discomfort for a few hours. It's about giving your body consistent support so you can move more comfortably over time. And the track record is strong. Over a million people have tried relief factor. Two thirds of them go on to take more month after month because pain is. Just stop negotiating with it, okay? You don't have to live that way. Don't wait. If you're dealing with daily pain, launch your three week quick start now. See what relief factor can do for you. Go to relieffactor.com or call 800 for relief 800, the number four relief relieffactor.com how will it feel to be out of pain? Torch insiders get the Glenn Beck podcast cast before anyone else tonight, the special forces vet who pulled off an insane rescue mission for Maduro's regime.

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Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (109:08)

You know, I find this next topic so fascinating because there is a difference between equal time and the fairness doctrine and people always confuse the two. And you would only know about either of those, I think, if you've ever been, you know, regulated by the fcc. Most people don't even understand what they are. But there are rules on public airwaves and they're different than cable and everything else because those are public airwaves. And me, I love deregulation. I'd love to see the FCC pretty much go away except for a very few things to make sure that we are, you know, you know, that we're still safe. But at the same time we are living with a bunch of conservatives that always say the same thing. And that is, you know, the left uses every weapon in the chest and then, and then they, they make up other weapons that aren't even in the constitutional chest. You know, we got to fight back and use our. Well, here's the FCC using the actual law the way it is supposed to be applying those. And then conservatives get upset. I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth on what is actually, what is the law, what is actually happening. And then we can have the conversation of should that be that way or not? Brendan Carr is with us. He is the chairman of the FCC and he is here to talk to us about what's happening with the View and Colbert. Brennan, how are you, sir?

Brendan Carr (110:45)

I'm doing great. Good to be with you again. Appreciate it.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (110:48)

Yeah, good. You bet. Okay. So did the FCC give CBS legal guidance about the interview with Talarico? The equal time was.

Brendan Carr (111:00)

No, not at all. I woke up Tuesday morning and logged onto social media and that was the first time that I'd even heard about this. And I woke up to a politician claiming that the FCC had somehow not aired, is what they said. The FCC refused to air this segment and that wasn't true at all. Not only was that not true, but the subsequent claim that while it was CBS that refused to air it was also proved to be a hoax as well. That in fact, CBS apparently had advised Colbert they could run the exact interview that they wanted and they just needed to be mindful that it could trigger an equal time obligation for other candidates. And again, that would be a circumstance in which Colbert himself wouldn't even have had to conduct the universe. But to your point, you know, step back. Broadcast TV is fundamentally different, as you noted, than cable and streaming and social media because you got licensed by the government. And the reason you have a license is because we can't have multiple people on the same airways at the same time. So the government, in broadcast, but not cable, not streaming, picks winners and losers. They say you get a license and necessarily that means your friend or your neighbor don't get the license. And so when you broadcast, you're supposed to stand in the shoes not just of yourself, which what you do on cable and everything else, it's a public trust model. You're supposed to operate in what we call the public interest and to look out for the views and interests of those that were denied by the government a license. And so one of those specific statute requirements is called equal time. And the idea here was that Congress didn't want media gatekeepers picking winners and losers in elections. They wanted individual people, the voters, to make those decisions. But they knew that the powerful broadcasters could put a thumb on the scale and tip elections by putting preferred candidate on the airwaves and denying others. So they said equal time. If you're going to have one candidate on, provide equal time for the other. And it's funny for me to see people claiming that this is censorship. It's the opposite of that. There is nothing about the equal time rule that would ever prohibit anybody from having any candidate on the ear, it simply says their opposition candidates should get an equal opportunity potentially down the road. Now, Congress then stepped in.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (113:18)

Hang on just a sec, hang on, hang on. Let me, let me just speak as a broadcaster. But what it does do, this is what the fairness doctrine did. And again, they're separate. But what the fairness doctrine did is it made broadcasters, I know because I lived it, say it's not worth the hassle. I just don't want to just forget the interview. And so it is limiting only because they choose to limit. I mean, you're going to have to have three different candidates on. If you do that candidate, you're going to have to have three candidates on for the equal time rule. And then they get to decide is that worth it or not. Correct.

Brendan Carr (113:51)

Well, one, one reason that's slightly different than the Fairness doctrine is the Fairness doctrine said if you're going to cover a controversial issue of public importance right then and there, you got to give the left perspective and the right perspective. What's equal time mean is you can have just one candidate on your broadcast, TV or radio program, but at some point in the future, a different coast, a different time, they get equal, comparable airtime. So doesn't require you to do it in the moment the same way that the Fairness Doctrine would have done. But Congress came in and said, you know what, let's create some exceptions to this. And they created exceptions for what are known as bonafide news programs. So if you're a bona fide news program, Congress was thinking about Meet the Press and different programs like that, that you're just actually doing sort of journalistic work. You're not trying to put a thumb on the scale for a candidate. You're just trying to interview someone with, you know, normal journalistic questions. You don't have to abide by equal time. Okay, flash forward over the last 30 or 40 years, everybody came to the FCC and they were getting dector ruling to say that they were bonafide news programs and therefore exempt. And people effectively read the exception as swallowing the rule. And they said, anything goes. Any TV program, any radio program is now bona fide news. The exceptions follows the rule. And what we did at the beginning of the year was we said, listen, that's not what the statute says. That's not actually what the FC case law says. So just be mindful. It's political season, there's legally qualified candidates that you're going to have on. And be mindful of the equal time rule. And again, on the Colbert episode. They were apparently given advice that they could do this. But Colbert apparently did not want to have Jasmine Crockett on who's running in opposition in the Democrat primary to James Talarico. And it appears to be that he ran a hoax, that he knew he could fool the mainstream media, the legacy media, by claiming he was censored. He could drive clicks and donations and get a leg up on Jasmine Crockett. And the national news media just went along hook, line and sinker because it fit with all their priors that this was Trump censorship. But this was a decision by Colbert and by Talarico to put a hoax out there that they knew the media would run for purposes of Talarico apparently scoring political points against Jasmine Crockett. If I was Jasmine Crockett, I'd be pretty upset by that.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (116:15)

All right, so tell me about the View. What's happening with the View?

Brendan Carr (116:21)

The View is similar. So the View apparently is claiming that they are a bona fide news program and therefore can have one political candidate on and not afford equal opportunity to other candidates. And what we have said is that the View has not established. They've not made the case to the FCC that they do in fact qualify for the exception to the rule. And so we have started an enforcement inquiry, taking enforcement actions to explore this issue with them and move forward. Again, they have not made the case that they are a bonafide news program. And we're actively looking at that.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (117:02)

So the one thing, Brendan, that I've always loved about you is you're a small government guy. And I will tell you one of the effects of this. I don't know if I'm sure you saw it. The Washington Post editorial today about the abolition of the FCC rules. I mean, it is. Let me see if I can pull it up here. It is absolutely incredible. They are now talking about how maybe. Listen to this. The Trump presidency ought to be an education for progressives in the ways government over, in the way government over regulation can distort politics and business. Passed by Congress as part of 1934 Communications Act. Equal time rule says blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The FCC is charged with enforcing it. The government shouldn't be dictating the political content of late night television nor any other entertainment Americans choose to consume. But that's exactly what the Equal time rule does. It says that it is outdated and needs to be deregulated. Could we maybe have an opportunity here where we can get rid of a lot of this regulation because they're suddenly for it?

Brendan Carr (118:12)

Well, obviously I Don't think everything they're saying there in terms of their understanding of the way this rule operates is right. But listen, if a collateral unintended consequence of me doing my job is we've got a lot more converts to small government conservatism, I guess I'll take that as a win. But to your point, think about it this way. A lot of times when Republicans are in government and they get gavels, they take their gavel and they go to the farthest flung corners of the earth and they bury the gavel in the sand and they say if we were to actually just apply the law in a even handed way, then Democrats will get the gavel again and they'll weaponize it. And what that fundamentally misreads, among other things, is we have a job to do. The statute requires this. Let's apply it, let's not weaponize it, let's not abuse it, let's not be biased about it, but let's apply it in an even handed way. And that's what I'm doing. Now what Democrats do when they get gavels is they weaponize it. And we saw this at the fcc. When the Democrats were charged in the FCC during the Biden years, they went after Fox broadcast TV station and threatened to not renew their license for programming they didn't like on Fox News cable, which is not regulated by the fcc. You had Democrats that pressured cable companies to drop Fox News and OAN and Newsmax and that campaign worked. You had senators on the Democrat side calling for the FCC to investigate Sinclair, a broadcaster for news distortion because they were viewed as a conservative outlet. So Democrats actually weaponize whenever Democrats get gavels again at the fcc. Let me tell you something, they're going to weaponize. What we need to do is that when we're here, let's just apply the law, let's not weaponize it against Republicans or Democrats. But the law is on the books. If people want to get together and go to Congress and say change the law, then they should do that. But up until then, we're just going to do this in a fair, even handed and balanced way.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (120:00)

Honestly, Brendan, if you said to me, Glenn, you know, you haven't applied for news status or whatever has to be done and you, you know, it's in question that, you know, the Democrats are saying it's in question that you're a legitimate news program. And I say, well what does that mean? And you'd say, you can't have just one politician on that's running for office. You at some point would have to have, you know, the others on as well. I would take that as a giant blessing, really. Thank you. And I don't. I wouldn't have them on anymore. I just, I wouldn't. I think it might make the show better. I think it might make Colbert even better by not having them on. But that's the only consequence of this, right, is just candidates running you. If you air them and you're not a legitimate news source, you or the network has to have the other candidates on in an equal kind of time scenario, Correct?

Brendan Carr (121:04)

That's effectively right. That's how the rule operates. And again, the idea here is let's let individual people, voters get more information and they pick the winners of primaries and of generals. Let's not have the media gatekeepers abuse their position of power, the position of public trust, of being on the airwaves to unfairly advantage one candidate or party over another. So it's a leveling of the playing field. It's about more speech, not less. But again, people can go to Congress and try to change it.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (121:36)

I would love for anybody who wants to make the FCC smaller or any government agency smaller, and. Well, you're right. Well enough to know that you're the same guy I am.

Brendan Carr (121:45)

And we are doing it. We're actually running the largest deregulatory initiative in the agency's history. We've gone through our big stack of code of federal regulations and we are deleting and deleting and deleting. We've getting rid of hundreds of regulations at this point. A lot of dead wood, A lot of regulations we don't need. On the broadcast side though, again, it's just, it's a fundamentally different medium. And on social media, my position is very clear and continues to be. We want wide open, robust, uninhibited debate. And that's what we want to see. But if you want to be on the unique medium of broadcast tv, you got to comply with the rules of the road there.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (122:23)

Yeah. Brendan, thank you very much. Appreciate it. FCC chairman Brendan Carr. Good talking to you. All right, take a final break here. My Patriot Supply thought experiment. Flip a switch in your house right now and imagine it doesn't work. No lights, no hum of the fridge, no WI fi, no heat, no way to charge your phone. Just silence for the first hour. It's an inconvenience. And then it starts to get dark and you light a candle and you check the breaker and you'll assume it's going to be on soon, by hour. Six is starting to become a real problem. Day two, It's a different world. Modern life is built on systems we never see until they fail. And we trust that they're not going to fail. But they do. Most people don't realize that our world has been built for comfort. And when that fails, the world gets very uncomfortable very quickly. So I talk about my Patriot supply, whether it's long term emergency food that doesn't depend on the grid or backup power solutions like the Grid Dr. 3300 solar generator. That thing is made so your home can function even when the system can't go. If you go to preparewithglen.com when you order a Grid Dr. Generator, you're going to get over $800 in free preparedness gifts, including a four week survival fee, food kit, water filtration, cook stove, and so much more. This is the basic of what you need. They're not going to be around long, so go to preparewithglen.com right away. That's preparewithglen.com Glenn Beck, Three singers, two songs, one unforgettable performance. Do you have what it takes? Show us@glennbeck.com contest. You know, I'm looking for this story that is in our show prep today. If you subscribe to glennbeck.com, just look for the show prep and it's mailed to you free every day. And I can't seem to find it. It's the story about Reese's. Mr. Reese's as in Reese's peanut butter cups. Very upset at Hershey chocolate because they've changed the recipe. And I'm reading this today and I'm like, oh my gosh. I thought it was just me. I had one last week for Valentine's Day and it was absolutely awful. And Sarah, how long have you been living like this? Probably not sharing this information. Seven, eight months maybe. Really?

Brendan Carr (124:55)

I just stopped eating them.

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (124:56)

They're disgusting, right? I mean, I took it out of the little, I mean, and I mean little because they're not the same size anymore. But I took it out a little pack and it even like almost disintegrated in my hands. And it's not even. I read this article today. It's chocolate candy, which means it's not actually chocolate. Okay? It used to be milk chocolate, which by law has to be a certain formula. And this is chocolate candy. And it's not even peanut butter. They're calling it like peanut butter flavored or I don't know what they're calling, but it's not. It's. Nothing is real in it. It's awful. It's awful. And can I jump in? Thank you, Brad. Mr. Reese, can we not go to LinkedIn? Can we maybe go to a better

Brendan Carr (125:48)

social platform so that everybody knows that this trash.

Glenn Beck (125:52)

I need to troll this now?

Glenn Beck (Host/Narrator) (125:55)

I have. I've had a jihad against LinkedIn since the very beginning of LinkedIn. And I actually thought of joining LinkedIn just to be able to reach out to him and say, I'm with you, brother. We grab the pitchforks and we head to Hershey, Pennsylvania, because I've had enough. Had enough. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. Don't forget podcast Great one out tonight.