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The Left Is LYING About Trump’s White House 'Demolition' | Guests: Sebastian Gorka & Charles Murray | 10/23/25
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Glenn Beck
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Charles Murray
Down the Road where shadows hide.
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Glenn Beck
Feel the dark on every side Stand.
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Charles Murray
Your ground when times get dark.
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Glenn Beck
Gotta face the dark and embrace the fire.
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Glenn Beck
Hello, America. There is a lot to talk about today. The new, new tracking of ice that Congress is putting together. I say treason. We've got the Mamdani thing, which I don't know if anybody should pay attention to that. Islam, Islam, what's the difference? Oh, I don't know. Kind of a big one. We'll talk about that. And there's a strange echo in American politics that never seems to learn from its own reflection. I want to talk to you about the White House. Stu asked me today. He's like, I can't believe. As a historian, Glenn, I can't believe you're not more upset about what's happening at the White. Let me explain why I'm not upset about it. And we'll do that here in just a second. Relief factor. Life does not wait.
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Stu
It moves.
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Glenn Beck
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Stu
So, yeah, so let's clarify that. He absolutely does want credit for really great things. He takes it all the time and a lot of times deserves it.
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Glenn Beck
Right. But not.
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Stu
But.
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Glenn Beck
But not in this.
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Stu
This is a different type of thing.
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Glenn Beck
And I looked at him and I had to sign this and I'm like, why?
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Sebastian Gorka
Why?
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Glenn Beck
Because you signed a non disclosure. And. And so I know what he's doing. I have seen what he has done up front, personal. And there is no one better to work on the White House than him. Okay? No one better. He is upgrading things that.
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Charles Murray
That.
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Glenn Beck
And he's doing it the right way. Yet the media, their outrage, it's identical to 1933. Only this time the facts don't fit the fury. Okay, let me remind you of another scandal at the White House. Nancy Reagan and the White House China. Okay, let me give you the headlines from this one Quote. Out of touch. Nancy spends $200,000 on plates while Americans starve. Americans were starving in the 1980s. Really? Reagan royalty dine in luxury as cuts hit the poor. This was for White House China. Now the press made her look like she was royalty and she just couldn't eat off of everyday plates. That's not the truth. And I know the truth because before the White House butler, and this was under George W. Bush, the butler who had worked there since the Johnson administration, the White House butler is the head guy. He oversees everything in the White House. I spent the day with him and just talked to him. As you know, I really wanted to do a, you know, a podcast or a video with him, but he wouldn't. And his stories were unbelievable. And he told me a story about the White House China because we went down and he was showing me all the china and everything else from all of the different presidents. And he said, you know, one of the best first ladies we ever had that I ever worked for was Nancy Reagan. And I said, really? Even with the China thing, huh? Because she was out of control, right? He said, no, let me tell you that story. He said, Nancy came to him and said, what does the White House need? Because every president, most of them, some don't steal the furniture. Every president tries to leave the White House better than they came in. So she said, what is it that the White House needs. I'll raise the money for it. He said, we need a complete set of state china. We don't have enough, you know, matching plates for official dinners. So we have all this mismatched stuff, and it looks horrible. So she, again, didn't use taxpayer money. She raised private funds so the White House could have a matching set of china for, you know, foreign dignitaries when they come. Well, the press turned her into an absolute villain. And the butler told me, he said, I begged her. I begged her, please let me go public. Please let me defend. Let me tell the press, this was me, not you. And she said, I'm a big girl. This comes with a job. No, you just do your job. This. I'll take the heat for this. Now, that used. That's the kind of strength that people used to really respect in America, but, you know, not if it's coming from a Republican. That's the kind of dignity that Melania showed when the press tore her apart recently on Absolutely Everything. But before I get to that, let me just. Let me stop here at Hillary Clinton, because she's one of the loudest critics of what's going on. Okay? The ballroom. It's an outrage. This is the same first lady who, upon leaving the White House, carted off more than $250,000 of White House furniture. The only thing that got her to return it was the backlash in the press, by the way, her staff also, if you remind, and her husband, they left petty vandalism behind, prying all the W's off all of the keyboards before George W. Bush's team arrived. So they. They vandalized and stole furniture. Let me show you the flip here. When Donald Trump arrived and he entered office the first time, what he found was a. A greatly aging White House and executive West Wing. Okay? The. All the doorknobs were mismatched, they were loose, they were cracked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Worn carpets, almost century old bathrooms that desperately needed updating in America's most symbolic home. Can we have some nice bathrooms in here that just work that are not 100 years old? You would want that in your house. He took out of his own pocket to restore these things in ways that were absolutely appropriate and beautiful for the White House. The doorknobs alone, he had them cast custom brass doorknobs engraved with the presidential seal. They are some of the most beautiful doorknobs I've ever seen. I can't imagine how much they cost him. Okay, they were not cheap, but you weren't billed for it. You Might most likely don't even know any of these things. Okay? Because it's the people's house. He's restoring the people's house and trying to make it nicer. With Trump, however, no good deed goes unpunished. Just the doorknobs alone. Beautiful and historic. Okay? Just that. But let me tell you, when Biden's team came in, those very fixtures, the doorknobs, some of them mysteriously just disappeared. Souvenirs for the adults who were back in charge. But here's where the hypocrisy goes from laughable to absolute obscene. I'll tell you in 60 seconds. First, there are certain moments that snap you awake. 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What did she do when she replanted the Rose Garden? Melania went back to the original architecture and horticultural plans drawn up by Jackie Kennedy and Bunny Mellon. Okay, those are the two that did the Rose Garden. She took those original plans and she restored the Rose Garden back to its original 1962 design the way Jackie had intended it before. Years of overgrowth and disease ruined everything. Okay, so Melania restored it, revived it, balanced it symmetry, sunlight, so the whole thing could flourish again. And what did they say? They didn't say thank you. They didn't say thank you for preserving history. They printed lie after lie and turned beauty into blasphemy. Why? Because the wrong person was holding the shovel. If that was Michelle Obama and she did exactly the same thing, they would have been fine with it. You know, these are the same people that have no problem watching actual history burn. When rioters were toppling statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ulysses S. Grant, Abraham Lincoln, they said nothing. They didn't shed a tear or write an op ed about the loss of history. Nothing. When they burned St. John's Church, which is across the street from the White House, this is a church where every president since James Madison has worshiped. The press didn't call that burning, you know, some sort of a desecration. They actually called it, quote, an expression of grief. So forgive me if I don't buy into their outrage, because this is not about preservation. All of this is about politics. All of this is a distraction. And none of it is about history. It's all about hate. When they obsess over chandeliers and garden paths that you're not going to pay for, while our cities are crumbling with crime, their voices are silent on the cities. In fact, they say, that's beautiful. But look at the desecration here. Please. Federal officers are now under siege. They're being targeted. Congress is paralyzed with cowardice. The Democrats are playing this tired game of survival. Republicans are mumbling about fiscal restraint, but the Democrats are pushing for more spending and threatening a longer shutdown just to please the radical and dangerous left, their base. By the way, I think Chuck Schumer's. I think the. The Chuck Schumers of the Democrats actually fear literal guillotines in the streets from their so called supporters on the very left. They're cowards. So, no, this is not about a ballroom or a Rose Garden or Donald Trump. Here's what this story is really about. It's a mirror. It's a mirror and the reflection is damning. What is being exposed now isn't excess or ego, but the pettiness of the ruling class that despises restoration, hates beauty, and cannot stand the idea that someone might build something lasting privately and with pride because they're serving the nation. The real scandal here is not in the White House or what's being done to the White House. The real scandal is what is happening every day in the newsrooms all across America, where Truth was evicted long before the roses ever were evicted from the Rose Garden. The hypocrisy and the constant. Why do we listen to people who have been wrong every step of the way? Why are we listening to these people? I mean, Stu came in today and he said, what was it? You know, as a historian, I can't believe you're more upset. Guy runs a museum or, you know.
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Stu
Like, I think, because I'm the type that I think would. I think they look like real improvements. And it doesn't really bother me, but I'm surprised, you know, a guy who, I mean, I think if they changed, you know, a piece of. I mean, you go in there and describe every single thing in the. In the Oval Office, and you've talked to me at length for hours and hours and endless.
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Glenn Beck
1794. 1794, not 1940, 1794. You touch the interior or the exterior of the White House, and you're not doing with preservation in mind. I mean, Right. Truman certainly more. There were. There were boards in the White House from the war of 1812. 12. The char marks. Truman took all of that and threw it away. Okay? He just took it to the studs of the White House. Now, all of it needed to happen, but nobody, Nobody was saying anything about that during Truman. But you're. That's the White House itself and the War of 1812.
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Stu
Again, I tend to not really care about these things. But, but, but let me just. You're not at all surprised at the process. For example, we were told as of a couple of days ago that we have diagrams of it. We've shown them on the air that a small. Like the facade of the outside of the East Wing was coming down. And then just kind of offhanded in a press conference with a couple of reporters, Donald Trump says, actually, we're knocking the entire East Wing down.
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Glenn Beck
I restored.
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Stu
That's a surprising.
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Glenn Beck
I restored an 1821 home in Connecticut. Don't ever do it.
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Stu
I remember that.
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Glenn Beck
Remember that. Okay. So I'm restoring this home and because of a slight change that I make, it's Paul Post and beam, a beam shears and all of a sudden my ceilings are coming down and the house is splitting in half. Ok, when you are doing restoration, when you're, when you're doing construction on something like this, you can get into it and go, okay, this is a nightmare. This is going to cost us a lot more. It's not going to be worth it. Tear the thing down, it's 100 years old. Rebuild it to look exactly the same. Put modern engineering in it, make sure that it lasts, make sure that it stands. Let's just gut this thing. It's a lot easier to do. Rebuild it looking exactly the same while preserving the historic artifacts in it.
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Glenn Beck
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
When somebody is doing an incredible job, it is our responsibility and only the right thing to do. To pause for a moment and go, wow, look at this. And the person is doing an unbelievable job. And most people don't know about it is Sebastian Gorka. He is the deputy assistant to the president, National Security Council, counterterrorism senior director. And what has been announced recently, I mean, Sebastian has been working behind the scenes quietly the whole time, making a list and checking it twice. And over 300 jihadist. I think the number is 370. 370, I think jihadist have been neutralized in the last nine months. It is an incredible pace. And Sebastian Gorka is here to tell us about the operation. Sebastian, how are you, sir?
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Sebastian Gorka
I'm very well. I'm very well. Mr. Beck, I will have a correct you live on your own show.
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Charles Murray
I am.
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Sebastian Gorka
I am honored to be here to talk about these incredible stories that you're absolutely right. Every American needs to know about, and all evildoers around the world need to know, so they get even more worried. But it's not up to me. It's not my accomplishment. It's President Trump and the amazing team I have in my counterterrorism director of the National Security Security Council. It's the members of the intelligence community who are hunting these bad guys down and giving their locations to our tier one operators, to others in our military, who are bringing eternal justice to these evildoers and turning them into red mists. So it is a team effort in the spirit of the commander in chief. And we have only one challenge. It's the hardest thing we do every day here, and that's keeping up with the commander in chief, President Trump.
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Glenn Beck
I know that. I know that. And it's amazing. Every single. I just talked to Marco Rubio last week. He said the same. Same thing. I said something to the vice president, and he said, no, no, it's not me, it's him. I know who's in charge, but I also know he selected each person for a reason. And I know people that you selected to be on your team, and they are. They're the best of the best. And I just want to thank you.
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Sebastian Gorka
They're all. They're all rock stars. They're all rock stars, and they make my job very easy.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah. So let's start.
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Announcer
Who.
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Glenn Beck
Who has been on this list that in the last nine months is no longer taking air?
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Sebastian Gorka
Well, as you said, it's more than 370 leading jihadis around the world in all the operations who've either killed Americans or who were plotting to kill Americans. Like the number two, Abu Khadija, the number two of ISIS in Iraq. But whether it's Iraq, Syria, Somalia, or elsewhere, these are the best of the best of the global jihadi movement that they're lost to their respective terrorist groups make makes it very hard for them to continue in the ways that they did under the Biden administration. An administration that really watched these people and didn't want to kill them. This is, you know, this is, as I say, the bumper sticker for what we're doing is this administration. America is back in the business of counterterrorism also. It's not just the ones we kill. But I got to tell you a story because this is, you know, this is when you do this, you say to yourself, okay, I'm done. There is no higher. My career can. When I walked into my scif, my Secure Compartment and Information Facility, because we work in these classified environments in the White House when I walked in day one, because, thank the good Lord, I'm not Senate confirmed I could start working at 1201 as soon as the President was sworn in for a second time. I'm old school. I think we're about the same age. And I said, okay, it is the 21st century, but I'm going to get a whiteboard. I found a whiteboard, took it to my skiff, and I wrote five things on that board which were priorities for the President in terms of counterterrorism. The top one was a then classified nom de guerre, and it was Jaffar. And our number one priority was to bring to justice the man who was responsible for the murder, the massacre of 13 of our war fighters during the rout of Kabul at the Abbey Gate massacre, that ISIS suicide bombing. And I'll be honest with you, Glenn, I thought, you know, this is going to be a heavy lift. He's hiding out in a very difficult part of the world, a hard target region. This is going to take us a year at best, maybe six months if the whole intelligence community, you know, re pivots to this. 41 days later. Glenn, I'm standing on the tarmac at 3am at Dulles Airport. The President has just given his speech to Congress, his first new address in the new administration. And I'm standing there in the cold with Tulsi Gabbard, John Radcliffe, the Director of the CIA. Cash Patel, Pam Bondi. And why are we standing there at 3am in the cold? Because the DOJD jet is about to land from Pakistan with Jafar, his real name is Sharifullah, on board in handcuffs. 41 days into this administration, we put him behind bars because President Trump during the campaign, made a promise to the 13 families of those who were murdered. We will bring him to justice. So this is when you say America first is real and President Trump is keeping his promises.
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Glenn Beck
So I have to thank you for this, Abby. Gate is personal to me as well. Many of the people that were going to the gate were. My charity had shepherd them to the gate.
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Sebastian Gorka
Oh, I know.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah. You know, and it was just. It was horrible. And I honestly wish you could go after some of the people in the State Department for what they did, played the role. The role they played.
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Sebastian Gorka
But what about the Defense Department back then, the Department of War now? What about, you know, Lloyd Austin, that disgrace to the uniform he once wore, who said, we have no regrets in the manner in which we left Kabul? That was the last administration.
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Glenn Beck
I know.
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Sebastian Gorka
That was a year ago.
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Glenn Beck
I know it was. Is it true when you. When he first came in, you went in and said, look, we've been tracking this person under the Biden administration for 18 months. And what did the president say to you?
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Sebastian Gorka
So this is amazing. So I spent the first eight days of the administration going around the Department of War, the intelligence community, getting a lie of the land. How bad have the last four years been in counterterrorism? And everybody said the same thing, as if they had talking points. Can we please be allowed to do our job and get back to killing jihadis? Can we, quote, return to the rules of engagement of the first Trump administration, which meant if a combatant commander in CENTCOM or AFRICOM saw a leading jihadi, he could pull the trigger and take that guy out. Under Biden, every HVT target, every high value target had to be sent to Jake Sullivan, the propagator of the Russia hoax, the then acting clown of a national security advisor, who would then wake up Joe Biden from his nap and say, sir, would you want to kill this jihadi? And of course, nothing ever happened. Well, day eight, the then National Security Advisor, myself, and one of my team members walked into the Oval with a big map and a big photograph. And we said, sir, this is a leader of isis. He's hanging out in a giant terrorist training camp in northern Somalia, and we've been tracking him for the last 18 months under the Biden administration. This is all declassified now. The President looked up at us from the Resolute desk and he said, what do you mean we've been tracking him? Kill him. And he got out his iconic shop. You know what he's like. I mean, you're in the Oval re.
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Announcer
I do.
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Sebastian Gorka
He grabbed that iconic sharpie and he ticked the go box on the Operational orders. We left the Oval. My. My team member called up a certain part of the US Military. The green light was given. And literally, Glenn, less than 28 hours later, I'm back in the situation room underneath the West Wing. It's like a Tom Clancy movie, but it's real. The OP order said, 8:45, we go hot. And we're watching this guy blithely walk around his terror complex like he has no care in the world. And like a Swiss Watch, at 0845 on that Saturday morning, he turned into a cloud of red mist. And we watched it live with the National Security Advisor. That was 11 days into the administration. And since then, we've added another 369 jihadis who have seen the hammers of helicopter hell come down on their heads.
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Glenn Beck
Why did we bring the ABY gate guy back into the United States to try him? Why didn't we just kill him?
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Sebastian Gorka
Well, look, we are bound, where possible, to capture them. We use lethal force when capturing them is not possible or would put our forces and civilians at too great a risk to do so. So we're not cowboys. We do in a circumstance fashion. We are authorized to use deadly force in given circumstances. And also, look, I think this gives even deeper closure. Not full closure, because you'll never get closure for losing your daughter or your husband in a suicide bombing, but to see this man stand in a federal dock in a federal court in Northern Virginia gives a little bit more closure, I think, potentially to those families in saying, yes, he was killed 8,000 miles away, and you'll never be able to see the video.
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Glenn Beck
Let me. Let me ask you, you know, there we are now hunting down people. I've heard you talk about terror cells here in the United States. How bad is that situation?
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Sebastian Gorka
Well, look, there's a thing in the US Military called red teaming, where an officer is tasked to think like the bad guy. So if you're in the. In the PAYCOM aor, if you're in the Pacific, you think like the, you know. Yeah. If you're in centcom, you're trying to think like ISIS or iq, let's you and your listeners think like the bad guys for a second. If you know that the President of the United States, Joe Biden or your putative president and Kamala Harris, his fake borders are literally have dismantled the southern border. And you can clear yourself to enter into the United States with an app that is paid for by the US Taxpayer, where you put in your fake name and say, yes, I'm a refugee, and that's all you need to step into America to get your $5,000, your Obama phone and your ticket to wherever you want to go in America.
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Charles Murray
What are you going to do?
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Sebastian Gorka
If you're isis, Al Qaeda, North Korean intelligence, whether you're, you know, the SVR of the, of Moscow, whether you're the irgc, what are you going to do? Of course you're going to flood the zone. Now, I can't go into the classified details of our response, but I tell you one thing. Bad guys are afraid of hardcore individuals. And it starts with the alpha male behind the Resolute desk. And it goes all the way to Tom Homan, straight out of central casting. Governor Noem Stephen Miller, the genius behind our immigration policies in securing the southern border. Just the figures alone, that of those we have physically deported, the worst of the worst, the gang bangers, the people related to inimical regimes, more than half a million Glenn have self deported since January tells you that, yeah, you don't want to mess with Tom Homan. Governor Noem Stephen Miller, President Trump So, you know, we have the crosshairs on the bad guys and we're getting them out of the country so you can sleep far more soundly at night because the A team is on the job, whether it's smoking the jihadis outside of America or whether it's getting the internal threat out of the United States.
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Glenn Beck
Sebastian, can I ask you, and this is probably, this may be out of your purview to comment on, but is the doj, are we, are we really truly serious? And because I know we've been tracking, we could tell you everybody who attended a Latin mass in the last 20 years, but you can't tell me anything about the Tides foundation or Antifa or whatever. We are so far behind on our intel on that that are we taking it seriously enough? Do we have the resources on it? And are we going to go after people who are funding a color revolution here in America?
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Sebastian Gorka
We are taking every threat to America, especially those that are subverting or attempting to subvert our republic from the inside, as seriously as a heart attack. I can guarantee you this hand on heart. Kash Patel is a friend of mine. Dan Bongino is a friend of mine. Scott Besant is a friend of mine. When Scott Besant, one of the, you know, one of the surprise rock stars, gives public statements saying we will follow the money to any organization that is funding unconstitutional actions in the United States, whether you're firebombing a Tesla dealership or plotting to kill friends of mine, like Charlie Kirk. When Scott Besson says that, a man who literally doesn't sleep to revivify our economy when he says we're going to follow the money, you can bet your bottom dollar that we will get to the bottom of Antifa. And look how historic is it that we have designated Antifa as a terrorist organization. That's not symbolic. I can tell you right now we are working this day and night. Stephen Miller's team, the intelligence community, the FBI, the Treasury. So yes, none of this is play acting. None of this is pablum. This is real.
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Announcer
Yeah, I didn't think it, I didn't.
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Glenn Beck
Think it was, but it's nice to hear that. Sebastian, thank you so much for everything you're doing and thank you to your team. Please pass on our gratitude to everybody on your team for all of the work that you guys have been, of course, appreciate it.
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Sebastian Gorka
Of course. Thank you for telling the truth and for, you know, saving with, with Mr. Barton, the relics of our past so that we will never forget. We are the greatest nation on God's green earth.
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Glenn Beck
Thank you, Sebastian Gorka. I appreciate it. Let me tell you about American Financing. Sometimes, despite your best intentions, money has a way of turning into dust. And you know, you know, it's there one minute and then between the credit card interest and the mortgages and everything else you have to pay, you know, it just evaporates. American Financing can help you grab hold of it again. You know, they're not some random company trying to sell you a loan. They're salary based mortgage consultants who work for you, you know, not for the banks. And it makes a huge difference. They will help you pay off high interest debt, roll the payments into a lower rate mortgage and free up hundreds of dollars every single month. In fact, in fact, many families are using that extra cash to build savings, pay down other bills. And they're all here in this audience, you know, just breathe. Again, the, the, the listener who calls American Financing. From this audience, the average saving is about 830 bucks every single month. Rewrite your financial story. Please call American Financing at 8009-0624-4080-0906-2440. It's American Financing.net nmls182334nmlsconsumeraccess.org APR for rates in the five starts, 99% for well qualified borrowers.
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
Fascinating what's happening? That was one of the most satisfying interviews I've done for a long time. Brutal. Very brutal. I don't think I've heard anybody speak about, you know, turning people into red clouds before. It was very brutal. But in a way, when we're talking about terrorists, very satisfying. Okay, I'm gonna be with Megyn Kelly on Saturday at Dickey's arena. You can go to Megan Kelly.com and get your tickets. Tickets are still available. We don't love to see you there. I'm going to make a major announcement with Megan on stage on Saturday. And there was something else that I was supposed to tell you about, but I can't remember. So I'm just going to tell you next. Next hour you don't want to miss because I want to talk about the master ice tracker that our own congress is now putting together.
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
I do too.
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
You had it.
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Stu
I know you had it. Well, no, actually, they don't tell you this.
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Glenn Beck
What?
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Stu
We never talk about this part of it, but you have to bring it with you for it to work at all.
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Glenn Beck
It doesn't magically follow you around.
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Stu
Exactly. There's no homing beacons. There's no gps. Guys you actually have to bring. Like when you pack a suitcase to go on a vacation, you have to put it in there.
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Glenn Beck
Jeez.
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Stu
Or it does nothing.
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Glenn Beck
I wouldn't be advertising had I known that.
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Stu
It's a scam.
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Charles Murray
Wow.
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Glenn Beck
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Charles Murray
Sam.
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Glenn Beck
Let go. Down the road where shadows hide Feel the dark on every side Stand your.
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Charles Murray
Ground when times get dark Gotta face.
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Glenn Beck
The dog and embrace the fire.
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Glenn Beck
Hello, America. You know, part of my job is to help you learn, understand the news of the day. To understand, you know, what it all means. Not just everybody can tell you what happened yesterday. My job is to give you historic context and then tell you what that means tomorrow. And I want to talk to you about civil war. This is, this is the worst possible thing that could happen. A civil war, you know, doesn't end well for anyone on any side. If you want to be Somalia, pray for a civil war. I personally would like not to be Somalia. I'd like not to be Haiti. But I'm telling you, I'm gonna give you a couple of stories here. And this is the kind of stuff, and I believe it is intentional from the left. This is the kind of stuff that leads you eventually, no other option than civil war. So I want to warn you about something next. First, let me tell you about preborn. Every day, somebody stands at that crossroad, and it's going to change two lives forever. Her life, the mom's life, is going to change forever. She's alone sometimes so alone. And everyone in her life is saying, this is the only option and doesn't worry. It's not life anyway. There's something in her. And it brings her to a preborn clinic, thank God, not a, not a planned Parenthood clinic. She just wants some information. She just. And she really, she's thinking of the. The only option is abortion. She walks into preborn. They say, well, let's start with an ultrasound. Let's see how far along you are. Once that ultrasound happens and mom sees the baby, Ann sees the heartbeat and hears the heartbeat, she realizes that's not just a. That's not a tumor. That's not just a glob of something in there. That is a baby. And that changes. But the problem is after that, she still is alone. No one in her life is supporting her. And she doesn't have the money. She doesn't have the resources. She doesn't have baby supplies. She doesn't have support. Preborn helps mom there as well. We're saving two lives, two souls, the baby and the mom. It is such a great, great organization. Please, Will you join? Preborn.com Beck $28 pays for a ultrasound. $15,000 is what it takes to put a machine into a needy women's center. All tax deductible. Please do what you can. I think this is one of the most important things we can do. Do, stand and choose life. Preborn.com Beck preborn.com Beck Sponsored by Preborn we are facing, we are at a crossroads of, you know, when the Lord said, as you know, they're going into the promised land. Choose life. Choose life. That is what sets the Western civilization apart. We choose life, and we do it in every way possible. It is why we are the first responders in the world. Why. It's why we're. We're so charitable. Something goes wrong. We care about life. We care about people that we don't even know sometimes on the other side of the planet. And Americans have always felt that this comes from the Western civilization. It comes from that moment going into the promised land. Choose life. It's why we don't leave people behind. It's why we offer aid to those people. If we're in a war and everything calms down and the battlefield is there and all the injured soldiers, we offer aid to our enemies. We don't just shoot them in the head because we choose life. We are losing this quickly. We are losing it in Canada is leading the world in choosing death. I mean, what is happening with maid up there is truly frightening. Truly frightening. It is, I think, the second leading cause of death now, assisted suicide. And they're offering it for babies, you know, teenagers who are depressed. You can just get. They can't keep up. Up with the number of people that they're counseling to die. That is a very bad sign. We see it. We saw it this weekend with those who are at the no Kings rallies. The, the flippant attitude of, yeah, I'm glad he's dead. I'd kill him myself if I could. There's something deeply disturbing about that. And it's also deeply anti Christian and deeply anti American. We choose life. If we disagree with each other, we argue it out, and then we go to the ballot box. We don't kill each other. Let me tell you about a schoolteacher. Now, I warned in 2008, I was sitting next to Linda McMahon.
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Charles Murray
What?
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Glenn Beck
Saturday night we were at a dinner, and Linda McMahon is sitting next to me. And I said, we were talking about the teachers unions. And I said, I don't know if you remember this, Linda, but I remember in 2008, there was a little story in, I think it was in the Los Angeles Times, and I read this and I thought, oh, my trouble is coming the teachers unions. Republicans in California had decided to remove one of their restrictions on teachers. And one of the restrictions was, you could not have ever been a part of the Communist Party or anything that had. You could have never been involved with any group that had tried to actively overthrow the United States of America. And they removed that plank. And I thought, why on God's Green Earth. Would you remove that? Now, this is before anybody thought, oh, there's lots of communists and radicals and revolutionaries, okay? This is right at the beginning of the Obama administration and before anybody really understood what we were facing. And I saw that, and I remember going on the air and saying, something's really wrong with the teachers unions. Look out. Why would you do that? Well, we know why you. You did that. I mean, that's what brought Bill Ayers in and everybody else, and you can just do whatever it is you want. And it was in California. I've told you about this teacher in California three times now. I think the first time I talked about him was in 2010, and he was at Fox. I was at Fox and he was with LaRaza, aka the Race. And I showed you something that he was saying. He. He was saying at the time, this is not about immigration or immigrants. This is about the global struggle against imperialism and capitalism. And I said, how is this guy teaching in high school? How is this guy a teacher in high school? I then showed. Showed you him last year or earlier this year. Time is just gets away from me now. During the LA riots. So within the last nine months, the LA riots. And he was one of the organizers of Union del Barrio. And he was one of the guys who was out saying, we got to stop ice, we got to track ice, whatever it takes on the streets. These are our streets, okay? Revolutionary. He's just won from the California Teachers association the Human Rights Award. Why am I bringing him up again? Because it's not about that. I just want to show you that the. The teachers unions are embracing him, okay? He is now in the news today because he was at an anti ICE protest where he stood in front of cameras and microphone and said, we want the ICE agents to know you're not the only one with guns. You are threatening the lives of civil servants. You are embracing a culture of death. You are saying, I don't agree with the law, and so I will take the law into my own hands and I will start shooting civil servants, husbands, boyfriends, fathers. I'll just shoot them because I disagree with them. And this man is still teaching in California. Now, let me take this a step further. Representative Robert Garcia at a press conference announced with Democratic lawmakers their intention to create a Master ICE Tracker. Listen, over the course of the next couple of weeks, the oversight committee will be launching on their website a Master ICE tracker where we can. We're going to be essentially tracking every single instance that we can verify that the community will send be able to send us information on. So I want to remind you that the killer, or the. The guy who attempted to kill ICE agents here in Dallas just a few weeks ago was using a tracker exactly like that. Now, this is our Democratic representatives from the Democratic Party that are now saying they are putting a tracker together for ICE agents. This is assisting premeditated murder. I believe this is treason myself. You are going against the law. And you are now tracking federal civic civil servants. You just like saying, I'm going to put a tracker on every police car. No. Try this. Would you be allowed to put a tracker on every Democrat in Congress and show where they are? I know it's verified they're at this restaurant. I verified that they're eating at this restaurant. I verified they're at their house right now. I verified they're going to this meeting and they're going to go through this door. Would you be able to do that? Of course not. Why? Because insane people would try to kill them. Could I put a tracker on Air Force One? Could I put a tracker on Donald Trump and tell you his every move and where he's going to be at what time? All the time. I mean, we get close enough to that, but you would not be able to put a tracker on the plane. Why? Because people could shoot it out of the sky. And if you think he's Hitler, why not shoot it out of the sky? This is lawlessness. Can the president send in the National Guard to these cities? Yes, by request of the governor.
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Stu
Or.
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Glenn Beck
If it is impossible because of the local community and local governments, state governments, if it is impossible for the federal law enforcement officers to enforce the law, you are giving him no other option. And they want it that way. They want him to send in the federal troops. They want him. They need him to do that because that will prove to all of their lackeys, all of the people who are not thinking at this critical time in our country. Country. It will give them proof. See, he is a dictator. He's taking over law enforcement. No, he is protecting the lives of civil servants who are just doing exactly what the law is enabling them to do and demanding that they do. And you're targeting those fathers and mothers and sons. You're targeting them. What option does he have? The. The left is creating this culture of death. And if you honestly think. I mean, remember, look at. Look at what they did when. If you got out of line with the left, they cancel you. How many people were big on the left? And then suddenly you think, Bill Maher is Going to parties with everybody. They cancel you, you're dead to them. What do you think is going to happen? You're on their side today. You get out of line with people who are building a culture of death. You read about the French Revolution. It started all noble, let's get the king. And before you knew it, they were turning on themselves. You've betrayed the revolution. You're a traitor to the revolution. And they started putting their own people into the guillotines and chopping their heads off. And I'm telling you right now, Chuck Schumer and the rest of the. The weasels in Congress, the people who allowed these radicals in in the first place. In 2004, I said, you cannot let Michael Moore into the presidential box at the Democratic Convention. You can't do it because they will eat you in the end. That wasn't a fat joke. Well, it might have been at the time, also a fat joke, but people didn't see it coming. And I'm telling you right now, Chuck Schumer is afraid of a literal guillotine being rolled in front of his office or his house. Why are they not doing all of this with, you know, with the shutdown? Why are they just absent and they're like, yeah, yeah, we're just going to keep going. Why? They're terrified of their own side because they know their own side will kill them, and they just keep encouraging it. They want a color revolution. I did this show last night on this. I've been talking to you about color revolution forever. Oh, that. I'd have the voice of an angel and I could shake the earth. I wish more people could hear the warnings and pay attention, but that is not my concern. My concern is just to speak to you. Please, please listen. Color revolution is the plan. Civil war is on the horizon unless we live like Christ and we stand for the truth. Our own side is starting to fracture because you're buying into all of these crazy conspiracy theories. It's not this difficult. Restore the eternal principles. Stop going down these roads of conspiracy theories that just divide you from me and me from that person. We must stand together. Let's just agree on the Bill of Rights. Let's just agree on a constitutional republic. Let's just agree. God lives. God loves us. We have to serve him. And the best way to serve him him is by serving our fellow man with love and choosing life. If we get lost in all of the other stuff, we are done. Please hear me. All right, let me tell you about tunnel towers. Every time you see a Flag at half staff, you're reminded that freedom has a cost. It's paid in courage and sacrifice. Too often, lives are cut short. For more than two decades now, the Tunnel to Towers foundation has stood in the gap for those left behind. 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I think it's cut 42. Don't forget where you're standing. This is South Central Los Angeles. They are not, they are not the only ones with guns in this city. They're not the only ones. And don't forget that. And I don't say that because we're calling for violence. I'm saying that because the people have every right to defend themselves against masked unidentified gunmen with AR15s and other military rifles. But people have every right to defend themselves. Stop. They're cheering now. These same people who wanted to take away your guns. They're now cheering for AR15s in the hands of private, private, private individuals. But notice that these are revolutionaries and communists. The Socialist Rifle Club of America. The. The Socialist. The Communist Rifle Club. The Antifa Rifle Club. Know your enemy. Know your enemy. Enemy? Me is anyone who refuses to see that all life is sacred.
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Glenn Beck
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. So can we talk about what's happening in Venezuela? I told you yesterday or day before, I can't remember, find it on the podcast. But I laid out what I thought was happening in Venezuela, that the president is changing the entire structure of the world. You know, the WEF took 30 years to do it. The, you know, the UN took 30 years. He's trying to do it in three. And. And I've told you for years, what they're doing is they've built this framework inside of the framework of the United States and the west, and they have populated it with all of their little droids, all of their, you know, government officials all over the world. And when. When it's ready, they will collapse the system and it will fall into that safety net, which will be one global order. We know it. We've documented it. It's absolutely true. Say what you want. We have the facts. Um, the president knows that that's not the American way. And so he knows that we're in the same kind of situation, but he is dismantling that safety net and putting together infrastructure inside that I don't think people really understand that put American sovereignty back in its rightful place. And he is preparing for things, things like war with China, which we should be doing. I don't want a war with China. I don't. That'd be the worst thing that could happen. But we should prepare because they're planning on it as well. So just like we did with Russia. I don't want to roar with Russia, but can we have detente? Let's not be sitting ducks. And so that's what's happening in South America. We are. It's more of a target of Russia and mainly China to make sure that China gets the hell out of this hemisphere. And the war on drugs, I think, is just a. A nice excuse. I mean, yes, we have a problem with drugs, and so we are doing that, but I think this goes much, much deeper than the drug cartel. This is what the president said yesterday in a press conference from the Oval about this.
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Donald Trump
Listen, this is a national security problem. They killed 300,000 people last year.
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Charles Murray
Year.
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Donald Trump
Drugs. These drugs coming in. They killed 300,000Americans last year. And that gives you legal authority. We have a national security. Really. I will say this. When you look at the people we're dealing with, and we know them, we know the people coming in. We know the boats. We know everything else. We're allowed to do it. It's in international waters. If we don't do it, we're going to lose hundreds of thousands of people. Now, they'll be coming in by land a little bit more because they're not coming in by boat anymore. There are no boats in the water. There are no more boats. We know the boat almost immediately. You know, it's pretty unusual when you see somebody with a fishing rod and five engines on the back of the boat. You know, you don't need that to go fishing. Wait, wait, wait. And we will hit them very hard when they come in by land. And they. I haven't experienced that yet, but now we're totally prepared to do that.
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Glenn Beck
Hmm. What did he just say?
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Stu
We're gonna hit them very hard when they come in by land. Now, is that just border enforcement or is he, like, saying we're going to war in some way?
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Glenn Beck
I don't know. What do you. How do you interpret that?
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Stu
I mean, I just believing and understanding, you know, what he's been up to over the past nine months. I mean, I certainly. It seems to me that he's saying we're going to make sure they do not come in. You know, I don't know. He's. It's got to be some message he's sending to Venezuela specifically.
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Glenn Beck
Okay, good. Because I think this is what he's sending. I think the overwhelming for. You're think of Maduro. You're Maduro. Put yourself in Maduro's shoes. You have B2 bombers flying over your head. You have the United States Navy surrounding your country and you have the President talking about this. How well do you sleep at night?
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Stu
Not very well.
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Glenn Beck
Not very well. Why?
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Stu
You're worried that they could come in and invade or try to depose you.
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Glenn Beck
Why else might you not sleep well at night?
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Stu
You know, you don't have blackout blinds. I know there's a lot.
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Glenn Beck
Because you have, because you have people in your own country and in, possibly in your own government that you haven't liquidated yet that don't necessarily agree with you, that would like the power, that maybe don't want to be a communist country like Maduro, etc. Etc. And.
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Stu
And because there's big opposition forces in Venezuela.
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Glenn Beck
In Venezuela. So you're not only worried about the outside force, you're worried about the inside force, your own people who are close to you, killing you and toppling. Let me, I brought some, I brought some stuff in. I heard that quote and I asked for some stuff to be brought in. This is from Project Valkyrie. If you know anything about Project Valkyrie, hello Story, one of the greatest movies of all time on tv. I stop, I have to watch it.
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Stu
No matter what, no matter what point it's at know me too. It's, you know, Tom Cruise movie from. I don't know what year it was, but it's about the plot to kill Hitler.
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Glenn Beck
And was it 44, right before 43 or 44. Let me see.
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Stu
40. Yeah, I think it was 44.
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Glenn Beck
I have the order from, from Himmler to round them up and kill them. Yeah. November 44th. Okay. So right before the end of the war.
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Stu
Yeah. And they, they came very, very close to succeeding. They, they put in effect Operation Valkyrie, which was a Nazi era plan to be able to, if something like this happened, to be able to protect the Nazi regime. They kind of used that against the Nazi regime and tried to take it over.
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Glenn Beck
And why did they do it?
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Stu
Well, there was a core of people who believed. Separate cores in a way, but core of people that believed that Hitler was a bad guy and that they needed to take him out. Now there's different beliefs in there. Some of them were like, Hitler's doing things that are horrible. We need to stop, stop him. Some of them were like, well, we're about to lose this war. This is about to go against us. We better be on the right side of this.
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Glenn Beck
Correct.
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Stu
And be able to say, hey, we tried to do something about it.
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Glenn Beck
So now let me take that very idea. Okay. They failed. This, this Failed. This is. This is signed by Himmler. You can see right there at the end, signed by Himmler. And you can see where they tried to burn it as they. As the. As the Germans left. Okay, we have all the documents from Project Valkyrie. We have the death warrant. We have the warrant. Remember the general who stood up and it was. He was part of it, but he wanted to kill. Remember, don't kill them yet. And I can't remember which general it was, but he was up on the balcony, he was like, watch him die, you know, and he killed them all. We have his signed by Himmler, his execution order as well, because he got it in the end. Yeah, they figured it all out. But what the President is doing right now is what the President of the United States did in Germany at the same time. We're coming. Look at the overwhelming force that is coming. We know who you are, and you're going to capitulate now.
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Charles Murray
Now.
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Glenn Beck
We're prepared to go on ground now. In 1944, we were. And we had to. I believe what he was saying there yesterday is you try to come across our border and we will kill you. Okay. I don't think he's talking about ground troops in Venezuela.
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Stu
Yeah, that would be shocking.
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Glenn Beck
But you don't know, do you? You just don't. Right again, it's the president. I've always said I've wanted a president with a twitchy eye for our enemies. Somebody that our enemies go, I don't know. I think that. I think he'll do it. I think he might be crazy. I think he might just do it. That's how you get people to capitulate. I think what he's saying here, and I think all this whole thing is saying to the General Becks of the time in Valkyrie, he was one of the guys who was going to be, you know, he had to get out of the country at the very end because he was going to be picked up before Project Valkyrie. And he was one of the guys saying, we. We have a government. We have a government. We're going to be able to have when the, when the. When Hitler is dead, we will assume the roles of the government. We will call the Allies and say, you don't need to come in. We got it. We're your friends. Friends. We're your friends. We agree with you. I think that's part of this strategy with Donald Trump. I think he is trying to make everybody in that part of the world who is against the United States, who's for communism, who is in Bed with China, who is. Who are dealing drugs. I think he's sending a message. We're going to kill you. Now. You can either help us on the inside, and then we'll let you clean up the mess. We'll let you turn the country around, or you're part of the problem. I don't know if that's true, but history always rhymes. And. And Donald Trump knows how to project power. He knows how to. I mean, look what he did with, you know, Little Rocket Man. He didn't blow him up, but he kept him in a cage. He made friends with him and kept him in a cage in this first term.
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Stu
And people would try to put him in a box on the stuff. It's different strategies for each one of these people. I mean, the strategies he used for Little Rocket man, totally different than what he's done with Maduro. And Maduro, too. You have to go back to the history of his first term where they outwardly tried to overthrow Maduro. And this is one of the very few things he agreed with Bolton on while he was working there. But, I mean, you know, Bolton said that was basically a coup attempt. I mean, he's basically admitted that. And, you know, we. We basically said, hey, we are now recognizing the opposition leader.
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Glenn Beck
Like, we.
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Stu
We went pretty far down that road already once. This is something he's been focused on for a long time.
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Glenn Beck
We cannot have an ally of Iran. Iran and China in Venezuela just can't. You cannot do it. They have the terrorist camps with Hamas and Hezbollah, which is. They send for final training. They send them to Iran. They train them on this island right off the coast of Venezuela. They send them back for final training in Iran. That cannot stand. Not off the coast of America.
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Stu
Most importantly.
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Charles Murray
Yeah.
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Stu
Can I tell my wife that I need to watch Valkyrie again for work?
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Glenn Beck
Yes. Okay.
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Charles Murray
Okay.
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Glenn Beck
Yes. I might have to do it as well. I might have to do it as well.
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Stu
We have to. We have her studying this.
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Glenn Beck
I have to show you. I don't know if you've ever seen this. This is something else. We keep it with the Project Valkyrie stuff. This is after we went in and we won the war. And, you know, we were looking for all the scientists, but one of the other things we were looking for were all of his doctors. We wanted to know what the hell was wrong with that guy for sure. Okay. So we did an interview of all of his personal doctors.
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Charles Murray
Doctors.
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Glenn Beck
This. This whole document is fascinating to read. This whole document is all of the interviews with all of Hitler's doctors. What Was he taking. What medicines did you give him? What was the diagnosis? You know, why was he twit. His hand twitching? What. Look at his face. Why does his face have this line? I mean, it has everything in it. The only thing. And somebody took it out at some point and probably either kept it or sold it separately.
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Charles Murray
We.
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Glenn Beck
We spend so much time trying to find complete documents, and we usually have to. We usually have to go piece them all together and buy them separately. Some. Some. Some things are sold separately. In this one, somebody kept or. Or sold separately. We hadn't come up for auction yet. We haven't found it. The X ray that was taken right after Valkyrie, because, remember, he was hit. So, I mean, this. All right, this is the blood. This is Hitler's blood from that Project Valkyrie bomb coming. And he had to have his brain check because they thought he had a really bad concussion. And so the only piece that is missing from that is his X ray of his head from Project Valkyrie. And I can't wait till we find it. Might take us, you know, 15 years to find it, but we'll find it. It's amazing.
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Stu
Hey, this is a news I've never read. You know, there's some history in here, just so you. Everyone knows.
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Glenn Beck
Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes.
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Stu
Quote, Hitler did not complain of bladder or rectum weakness, so that now we know.
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Glenn Beck
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Teach your kids right. Shoot. You know, schools won't do it for you. This is Glenn.
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Charles Murray
Becky.
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Glenn Beck
I may be with Megyn Kelly on. On Saturday, and I'm making a major announcement. It's at the Dickies arena in Fort Worth, Texas, and you can get your tickets@megankelly.com. but I, you know, I don't know what she wants to talk to me about, but I'm, I was thinking about bringing some things because I know she really has a problem with transgender, you know, ideology being pushed in the. And I bet she doesn't know about the first transgender surgery ever performed in the world. 1925, Berlin. And the parallels of the Weimar Republic and the brown shirts and everything else that is happening and the choice that the churches now have to make. And if our churches don't wake up, they'll make the same choice they did in Germany, and it will be very, very bad.
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Stu
And I know you know this stuff really well, but correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't one of the, the basis of a lot of this stuff was it's science. You can't question science.
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Glenn Beck
I want to take her right from. I want to take her from, you know, the origin of the species, where science now said, yeah, there is. There are subspecies there. You're not fully people. Okay, yeah. There are selected and favored races. And how that was now scientific science. So now that grows these bigots and these haters that don't like blacks or whatever, and they now say, you know, I. You follow science. You might call me a bigot, but I'm following science. You're not. And that led to the whole progressive era that ended up being an absolute nightmare. You think she'd enjoy that?
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Stu
Yeah, I think so.
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Charles Murray
Yeah, I think so.
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Glenn Beck
I'll bring some artifacts. I haven't decided what. I still have to decide what I'm going to bring, what she'd allow me to talk about, you know, in a short period, but that might be a good one for her.
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Stu
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Charles Murray
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Glenn Beck
Let go.
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Charles Murray
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Glenn Beck
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Charles Murray
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Glenn Beck
Hello, America. I have to tell you, I'm so excited for you to listen to my next guest, Charles Murray. This guy is one of the bravest guys. The courage of this man during his whole life has been remarkable. I kind of liken him, kind of to like the white Clarence Thomas, a guy who just believes what he believes and just takes a pounding his whole life. But I don't care. That's what I believe, you know? I know, I know. Saying the white Clarence Thomas is a little redundant, am I right? Charles Murray is with us. He's. I want to talk to him because he is taking religion seriously. That's the name of his new book. He was sure if he was an atheist or an agnostic, but I think an atheist, he said he didn't need God, but he was wrong. And he has taken this with his scientific mind and his journey is phenomenal. So I want to talk to him about that and take you on that journey and make sure that you read Taking Religion Seriously by Charles Murray. He's next. 60 seconds. First, the funny thing about identity theft is it doesn't feel real until it happens. Happens to you. One day you're, you know, your checking account, you're paying bills, you're living life. The next thing, you're staring at charges you didn't make, addresses you don't recognize, and somebody out there is pretending to be you. Our lives are online now and names, our banking, our medical records, our tax information, all of it, and it's all stuff, data that people who are, you know, not the best of humans, you know, know are in their mom's basement or they're in a tower in China, in Beijing, or, you know, in, in some factory, if you will, in, in Russia. There are people all over the world that want your information. That's why I use LifeLock. Their team monitors your information for signs of unusual activity across the dark web. Credit networks and data sources that you can't watch on your own. If something looks wrong, you're alone alerted. And if identity theft does Happen, a dedicated US based restoration specialist works with you to fix it. LifeLock. It's the shield that lets you live your digital life without constantly looking over your shoulder. Protect yourself with LifeLock. LifeLock.com use the promo code. Beck save 40%. 1-800-lifelock. 1-800-lifelock or lifelock.com 40 off right now. Charles, what an honor to have you on again, sir. Welcome.
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Charles Murray
Well, it's such a pleasure to be back with you, Glenn. It's been a long time.
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Glenn Beck
I know, I know. Thank you for all of the hits you have taken. And almost everything from the Bell curve, almost everything you have ever written has turned out to be absolutely true. And they still beat you for it. So thank you for taking the beating for the truth. We appreciate it.
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Charles Murray
Thank you. But I've been a very lucky guy in all the important ways.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah. So, taking religious seriously, were you an atheist or an agnostic?
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Charles Murray
I was an agnostic and I wasn't at all hostile to religion. I thought religion had a lot of value for society, but it just wasn't important to me. I didn't have strong beliefs and I didn't seem to need religion. I was doing just fine without it, thank you very much.
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Glenn Beck
Right. And I think there's a lot of people that might feel that way. But now you say you were wrong. Why? Why were you wrong?
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Charles Murray
Well, first you've got to realize that I did not have a Road to Damascus moment that converted me. I'm talking about 30 years of thinking about this.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Charles Murray
I'll tell you how I got started. My wife had our first baby in 1985. And she came to me after a couple of months and she said, I love this baby so much, I'm having a hard time figuring out where I stop. And she starts. And then she said something, which is a beautiful line, been quoted by others subsequently. She said, I love her far more than evolution requires. And you got to understand, she is Oxford and Yale educated. She's real smart. She knows all about the evolutionary psychology and she understands that part of evolution depends on women loving their babies because otherwise they don't pass on their genes. But she felt that she was the conduit for something greater than that and that was pointing her toward God. And so she set out on her own journey. I kind of. That's an overused word on things spiritual, but it was. And I said good for you. And I took care of our little girl on Sundays when she was trying out various churches and basically stood by for about 10 years until I realized, you know what? I'm missing out on something.
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Glenn Beck
I have to tell you. I. My journey to God started reading by reading something from Thomas Jefferson. And I think you can so relate it because understanding your journey, I think is exactly the way you think. Thomas Jefferson wrote something to his nephew Peter Carr and he was trying to teach him what all the things he needs to do to be a well educated, well rounded man. And the last topic he addressed was religion. And he said when it comes to religion above all things, fix reason firmly in her seat and question with boldness even the very existence of God. For if there be a God, he must surely rather honest questioning over blindfolded fear. And I thought that was so profound it gave me permission to go. I don't know if there is a God, but if there is a God, everything should point to him. Everything would be. You'd be able to find the intelligent design some way or another. And it just gave me the permission to not listen to people who say oh, you're a heretic if you don't believe xyz. No, I want to learn it myself and I want to know it myself. And there should be all kinds of support courts in. In all walks of life and all philosophies. Would you agree with that?
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Charles Murray
Yeah, it's very similar to. To my route with. With I'll just add on something else. I think it is in some sense a route that is available to people like I think both of us who do not have what I call the God gene. God gene is a. A shorthand for kinds of abilities to have spiritual insights. I think that some people, in fact I'm quite confident of this because I've met a lot of them, including my wife. Some people have a talent for spiritual insight in the same way that some people have a talent for being moved by music or appreciating great art or great literature.
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Glenn Beck
I'd agree with that.
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Charles Murray
It's a talent talent. Not all of us have it Yeah, I don't. And I don't think, you know, I actually.
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Glenn Beck
I actually do, but I got. I was at a point to where I didn't know I was an alcoholic and I didn't know what was true and what, you know, I realized everything I believe about God was told to me and. And even those experiences were those. Because I believed so deeply that they happened or. Or not. I just. I just wanted to know what was true and what was made up or what had been taught to me for so long. I just believed. Does that make sense?
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Charles Murray
Well, yeah. Something else that happened to me as I got started on this was that I realized that without knowing it, I had my own secular catechism. Secular catechism, meaning it's a pretty standard one for people, well educated, successful people for whom religion isn't important. And it says things like, like, look, we got 100 billion universes, and we are one little planet in a nondescript part of the universe. And the idea that there is a personal God watching over us is kind of ridiculous. That was one part of it. Another part of it was that science has taught us that consciousness exists in our brain and only in our brain, and once consciousness stops, then everything else. And that it means that an afterlife is ridiculous and that kind of thing. That I believed. Oh, also, and that when you came to Christianity, you had these ancient texts that probably had been changed dramatically over the centuries and bore no relationship to what a man called Jesus of Nazareth actually said. Okay, that catechism was making a bunch of empirical assertions, but I hadn't checked any of them out. Yes, they were just sort of. They were just sort of the common criticism of religion that was around. And so a great deal of my beginning was, okay, let's sort of look and see how sure I can be that these statements are true. And that produced a whole bunch of changes in my thinking.
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Glenn Beck
So can we take just those three? Can you take those and show us what you learned and what changed?
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Charles Murray
Changed, sure. The first one, and this is as close to a Road to Damascus moment that I've had, was when I read a little book called Just Six Numbers in early 2000s. It was written by an astrophysicist, British astrophysicist, Martin Rees. He's not a religious man himself. What he gave in just six numbers were six examples of what is called. Sorry, for all the technical terms. I'm dropping the anthropic principle. And this is the finding in physics that the likelihood that we live in a universe that permits life are Phenomenally small.
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Glenn Beck
Yes.
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Charles Murray
By phenomenally I mean literally one in trillions. Here's what I mean. At the moment of the Big Bang, which is now consensus is physical science, at the moment of the Big Bang, there were a whole variety of relationships that if they were not exactly what they were, we would have a universe of black holes or radiation. In order for galaxies to form and planets to form, you had to have, for example, a balance between the forces holding together the atom versus the force of gravity. Or else you would have a situation in which the stars would burn out too quickly to form civilizations. I'm not going to go into the detail. Take it as a summary that we're talking maybe a dozen or two dozen parameters that are arbitrary and all had to fit together for us to live in a universe. Now that gives us three choices. We can either say that we bought a lottery ticket and won a 1 trillion chance, which is not very satisfactory, or we can say that actually there are millions of universes, as one branch of physics is trying to claim, but certainly has not demonstrated. I find that to be, be far more outlandish than the idea of a God. And the third one, the third one is that a force intentionally created a universe that permits life. And I might as well call that force God. And that for me was a huge step forward because that's way different from Richard Dawkins in different planetless universe.
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Glenn Beck
Well, if you, if you look at it, because I went down this same same road that you did, it's, it's funny when you look at the exactness of everything, you know, a 1 degree temperature change in space and the whole thing starts to collapse. I mean, everything is so precise. You look at our bodies. How this came together by happenstance is insane. It's insane to think this that's the way it happened. But more importantly, the Big Bang, I mean, I think this was originally a Christian idea, the Big Bang, and then it was kind of hijacked and turned on itself. But the idea of the Big Bang is okay, it started like this, but who lit the match? What was before it? What was my father used to say, what was first cause.
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Charles Murray
Exactly. And for you are right, by the way, one of the ways reasons that physicists really resisted the Big Bang theory when it was first put out is it sounds like they're just putting a scientific gloss on Genesis. Let there be light.
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Glenn Beck
Yes.
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Charles Murray
And as of 1920, before the big Bang theory started to develop, that was just anathema. To think that the universe or started at a specific moment in Time. It just sounded too much like a creation. Well, that's the way it worked out.
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Glenn Beck
All right, let's take the second one here. Give me 60 seconds. We'll be, we'll be back. You really, if you are somebody who takes, you know, a search for God seriously, this is such a great book. Charles Murray, taking religion seriously. It's, it's well written and easy to follow. You don't have to be a scientist to follow it. You really like it? It's, it's a personal journey. Journey. We'll get into this in just a second. Let me tell you about good ranchers. In a world where most everything seems imported, it's still easy to forget that America knows how to feed itself. Thankfully, good ranchers exist to prove that. We do. Every cut they sell, every steak, every chicken breast, every burger comes from a hundred percent American farms and ranches. You know, the president just did something that I don't agree with because it's hurting our ranchers and they're, they're, they're going to have a hard time. It's so important that you help our ranchers and you support American ranches. When you open a box from good ranchers, you're getting more than just meat. You're supporting families who refuse to outsource their livelihoods. And they're standing up for a way of life that still believes in quality, hard work and doing things right the American way. Every package is vacuum sealed, flash frozen, delivered straight to your door. Fresher than the supermarket and better than any importance that you'll find from, you know, half a world away. I want you to visit goodranchers.com use the promo code Beck when you subscribe for an additional $40 off plus free meat for life. Please support our ranches and our farms. It's promo code Beck. $40 off plus free meat for life when you subscribe. It's goodranchers.com. welcome to the Table. 10 seconds. Station ID. Okay, so, Charles, you said there were, there were three things. What was the second thing?
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Charles Murray
Unconsciousness. And this was, you know, I took it for granted. I'm a child of the enlightenment. And as so many of us are, where else could consciousness exist except the brain? Of course it's in the brain. And of course, when the brain shuts down, down, consciousness shuts down. Well, it turns out there's a lot of very good evidence that is not true. It takes a couple of forms. I think the most impressive and hardest to refute forms are near death experiences. And almost everybody's heard about near death experiences by this time. And a lot of them are extremely well documented. This is when people, their hearts have stopped, stopped, their respiration has stopped, they are clinically dead. And they report first being able to see what's going on in the attempts to resuscitate them, including specific idiosyncratic events that there should be no way that they know. And then there's the famous light at the end of the tunnel and other things that occur in the course of the experience that we can't verify. But the point is we can verify a lot of the things that they are reporting that they are able to see usually from above that is going on while they're in the hospital. Well, that certainly makes it difficult to say that consciousness can't exist without the brain. But there's another one this is less well known. It's called terminal lucidity and it involves people who have advanced dementia, haven't recognized their spouse or your children for years, have not said a word for years. I mean sadly many listeners and in my own life have had parents or other friends who suffered from dementia. They suddenly, about a day or so before they die, in some cases are back. They may be back for 10 minutes, they may be back for an hour. But by back I mean they recognize their family members, they have memories, they talk about memories, ask questions. They exhibit personality characteristics that they had before. And these are witnessed not only by the relatives, but oftentimes medical personnel are also in the room and recording clinical descriptions of what's going on. These are extremely well documented. Explain to me again how this is happening. If they do not have brain that are functionally able to have co organized thought. So all of that leads one to say, and in my case to say it with a little bit of trepidation, I just might have a soul after all. And the third, the third involves the New Testament. There was a very influential revisionist force that basically trashed the New Testament over the course of the 19th and 20th cent centuries. So that they were essentially saying you can't trust a thing in the New Testament as really reflecting the words of Jesus of Nazareth, let alone trust any of the specific accounts of the miracles or anything else. And there is a school of scholarship that has been gaining momentum in the last 20 or 30 years which is pushing back on that with a lot of of new research that I find very impressive. And I think it's impressive on a couple of scores. One is, I think that it is pushing back the dates of the new of the Gospels to much earlier than they've ordinarily been dated. You know, most of them have been dated toward the end of the first century.
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Glenn Beck
Right.
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Charles Murray
Which is quite a while after the crucifixion. It seems much more plausible to me with the evidence that's come to life light that we're talking the 40s and 50s, when they were composed.
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Glenn Beck
10 years, 20 years.
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Charles Murray
Yeah. And also a lot of the revisionist claims of anonymous authors and additions and so forth that were added completely apart from anything that really was in the Bible. Well, a lot of that has been debunked by, by some fascinating research which documents the ways in which whoever wrote the Gospels knew an awful lot about first century Judea and Galilee. There's just awful lot of specifics that they get right that the discredited Gospels don't get right.
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Glenn Beck
Okay, so. So hang on just a second. Let me take a quick break. And I want to continue this, but I also want to, to ask you about the resurrection. How does a guy like you deal with something like the resurrection of Christ? I don't know, you know, where you stand on that, But I'm, I'm anxious to hear what you found on that. We'll go there next. Name of the book is Taking Religion Seriously.
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Glenn Beck
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Stu
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Glenn Beck
Charles Murray is a policy analyst, MIT Harvard. In 1984 he published Losing Ground, which changed, changed everything about the war on poverty. And then he wrote the Bell Curve, which was highly controversial. That changed everything coming apart in 2012, which was absolutely spot on accurate. I mean he is, he is prolific and, and way ahead of the curve and has spent his life, you know, just under attack from elites. Although, you know, in some ways he is an elite. He thinks this way, he is really well educated, etc. Etc. But he just looks for truth. He's now got a new book out called Taking Religion Seriously. We were talking about these three things that he, he needed to take on himself. And the last one that he was talking about was the truth of the writing of the Gospels, the time period that they were in, the accuracy of the Gospels, who actually wrote, wrote them. And he was talking about how there is new, good scholarly work being done that maybe those gospels are, were written earlier than, than we've, we've thought in the past. Charles, I'm sorry, so, so sorry to interrupt you on that. Do you want to finish that? Because I, I want to go on to the Christ Resurrection, which I think goes in there, but you lead.
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Charles Murray
No, let's, let's go directly to the resurrection because that's one of the most fascinating aspects of this whole work. The Resurrection should be sort of the easiest to disregard. I mean, it is such an implausible claim and it happened so long ago. And yet the, the, the data, and you can talk about the data because we know a fair amount really makes it very hard to avoid concluding that something happened of extraordinary power at the time of Easter. And the reason I say that is that you had the execution by one of the most humiliating, gruesome ways that a leader could be executed. You had the persecution of, of his followers were coming. These were not disciples. They were illiterate manual workers. They were not market researchers or publicists or anything else. So here they are. Their world has been torn down around them. They are devastated, presumably, and they're also very scared. And then a couple of weeks later, they are utterly energized and preaching a risen Christ and absolutely confident. Now, that kind of transformation does not happen without an extraordinary stimulus. And coming up with an extraordinary stimulus, it doesn't look like the resurrection is a problem. And furthermore, you have these same disciples going to their deaths, often decades later, often under torture, still insisting that Christ rose from the grave. Now, this makes it hard to just dismiss the resurrection out of hand. And then, of course, you have this thing called the Shroud of Turin that some of your listeners will know about and others won't.
- [112:23]
Glenn Beck
I was just there, spent three or four days with all the experts in the world on the Shroud of Turin, and you walk away going, this is real. This is absolutely real.
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Charles Murray
That's my conclusion as well. And I think one of the more interesting sections of the book, because I do have a fairly detailed recounting of the kinds of things that make this object absolutely baffling. So here's where I stand on it. They have a new method of dating which puts the Shroud back a couple of thousand years, appropriately for if it were genuine. Whereas before there was a carbon dating that said it was a medieval cloth, that carbon dating had terrible problems. Mainly they had a segment of the cloth which was repaired. Yeah. And so I'll tell you, if that dating is confirmed, the new dating is confirmed. I'm going to have a very hard time saying to myself that it did not contain the body of a resurrected Christ. That's just the way it is.
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Glenn Beck
So what does this mean to you? Because we started with, I thought I didn't need God. I was wrong. What is the importance of knowing all of this in today's world and in our society? Why is this important?
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Charles Murray
I think I need to talk to two different audiences when I do this. The first is people who have never taken religion seriously. And, Glenn, my suspicion is that the first part of the book where I talk about an intentional universe and consciousness independently of the brain, I think they'll be fairly receptive to that. And I think these people. But a lot of them will have problems when we get into the specifics of Christianity. So to this first audience, I'm saying.
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Sebastian Gorka
Look.
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Charles Murray
You need to take on seriously the degree to which the relationship between science and religion has flipped. For a long time, science was explaining things that people had previously attributed to God. That happened for about four centuries. Over the last century, science has been discovering new things we never knew existed for which religion has answers that science does not. That's a fundamental change that you need to be aware of. And the second thing is I want people to realize the extent to find which the Enlightenment cut us off from a wealth of wisdom by a variety of profoundly spiritually sensitive thinkers that occurred around 600 BC. And that's. So that's not just the Old Testament being put together. You had Daoism, you had Buddhism, you had Some very, very wise people, people have insights about the nature of the universe and the nature of the human condition that after the Enlightenment, smart people who get a big education have tended to just never access. And it's important to access that because it can deeply enrich your understanding of the universe and your place in it. And then if you're willing to go more specifically into Christianity, eternity. I have found that for example, I feel in my life the qualities of God's love and also the concept of grace, forgiveness of sins. And I feel this at a level which is now no longer just intellectual, but I feel it as a reality in my life. And that's a lot. And this kind of, of having this kind of enrichment of your life is not as dramatic as a sudden conversion in which you are an evangelical Christian wholeheartedly and with no reservations whatsoever. But I assure you it is well worth the effort to do.
- [116:46]
Glenn Beck
I would completely agree with that. You know, I've often said I don't understand how scientific scientists don't see the. I mean if God exists, he is the greatest mathematician and greatest scientist ever. And I don't know why both sides try to separate religion from science. They must fit hand in glove. Do you agree with that?
- [117:18]
Charles Murray
Yes. And I also agree with Thomas Aquinas who a long time ago said humans must understand that God takes pleasure in our understanding his universe, which is by the way very different from Islam that God wants us to, to understand his universe. God loves it when scientists are discovering new facts about the universe.
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Stu
Yes.
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Charles Murray
And similarly it's very clear that the notion of a rational God was instrumental in creating science. So I agree with you. I don't agree with Stephen Jay Gould's who had said they're non overlapping magisteria, science and religion. I think that as time goes on they are blending rather than maintaining their antagonist.
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Glenn Beck
Why did you say that about Islam where you said unlike.
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Charles Murray
Oh, because Islam, they consider it is considered denying God's power to try to establish laws that must be got. The universe obeys. You are limiting Allah's power to. Because he sustains the universe on a second to second basis. The universe does not have an existence independently of his constant sponsorship of us, as it were. So you can't, you are, it's just like you aren't supposed to have pictures of that depict anything religious in Islam. Very different, very different mindset.
- [119:01]
Glenn Beck
How is your understanding of religion and do you feel that it is, is going to play or needs to play a more important role in man's future, especially with what's coming with AI. What are we facing and how important is this journey?
- [119:24]
Charles Murray
I think one of the most important results of a resurgence of religion will be an understanding that morality is fundamental, grounded in absolutes, in truths that are not subject to situational ethics and the rest of it. CS Lewis makes a very powerful case for a moral law that is essentially divine in origins and provides a bottom to our ethical decisions. If there is one thing that I think we are seeing over the last 50 years, it is the degree to which sexy secular humanism does not have staying power. That from a moral perspective, time and again they get on slippery slopes whereby something that sounds fine to begin with, such as assisted suicide for people who are desperately ill and in great pain, suddenly, you know, slowly turns into euthanasia. That, that is more and more broadly available and is applied sometimes when it's not clear that the people really want to be euthanized. It's that kind of slippery slope that the moral law helps us avoid. I think secular humanism is not enough to sustain the role that religion plays in supporting civil society.
- [120:55]
Glenn Beck
The last question, I've only got about a minute on this. I don't know if you can answer it in a minute, but we are headed for cataclysmic stuff if we don't turn around. Is the west savable with these understandings?
- [121:11]
Charles Murray
I find the left utterly incomprehensible recently. I don't see. I'm a social scientist. Scientist and I look at the social sciences now and they say, I don't think they're redeemable. I, I think that they're, they're, they're deeply corrupt and just getting worse. So, short answer, since I've only got a few seconds is on this score, I am deeply pessimistic.
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Glenn Beck
Charles, it is an honor, it really is an honor to talk to you and I hope we get a chance to spend some more time on, on this in the future. I really appreciate it and congratulations on the book and on everything you've done in your life. Thank you.
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Charles Murray
And I enjoy your work very, very much. Glenn.
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Glenn Beck
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Glenn Beck
Well, you could go the no Kings way. You know, that's the way the left is going. Or you could go the no kings but Christ way.
- [124:05]
Stu
Sounds better.
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Glenn Beck
What would Jesus want you to do? I say say he'd want you to go to glenn beck.com. go to glenn beck.com right now and get your no kings but Christ T shirt.
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Stu
Wait, really?
- [124:15]
Glenn Beck
So it's shorthand. I think you die today in that T shirt. It's shorthand. You go up to the, you know, you go up to the desk, the big desk in the sky. And Peter's like, I come on in. You're wearing the T shirt. Oh, I'm just saying.
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Stu
Really?
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Glenn Beck
So it's not necessarily true.
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Stu
I'm just thinking this out from a theological sense for a moment.
- [124:34]
Glenn Beck
But if I think that's theologically unsound.
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Stu
No, well, my point, I think what you just suggested. If you're saying I have to go buy a T shirt@glenn beck.com.
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Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Stu
That is theologically unsound. Because what you're saying is if you die in the T shirt, they'll know you're one of the good people.
- [124:51]
Glenn Beck
Yeah.
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Stu
So you need to buy multiple T shirts to have different ones on every day.
- [124:56]
Glenn Beck
Never. You don't ever know when you're gonna die.
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Stu
You don't know when you're gonna die. Same shirt every day.
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Glenn Beck
Get one. Get one. So you wear one to bed. Too. You are exactly right, Stu. And the coffee cup. I mean, you know, or the hat. You really need all of it. Let's say you're down in the middle of the night. You're. You're, for some reason butt naked. But you want a cup of coffee, you die. You're holding the no kings but Christ mug. I'm just saying.
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Stu
I also say you don't want to take scorching hot beverages when you're not wearing clothing. You just don't know what's going to spill and where it's going to. Okay, so that's just another. Another great tip. Theologically, I think that's.
- [125:33]
Charles Murray
I think.
- [125:33]
Glenn Beck
I think some might quibble okay with. With the selling of merchandise and salvation at the same. At the same time, there might be some quibbling. Quibbling going on.
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Stu
It's a great message to send, though I will say, and it is needed at this time that I will say no kings.
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Glenn Beck
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