Who Will Be the Next Speaker of the House? Rep. Thomas Massie Explains His Vote | 1/3/25 | The Glenn Beck Program

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Glenn Beck Program – "Who Will Be the Next Speaker of the House? Rep. Thomas Massie Explains His Vote" (1/3/25)

Introduction and Context

Steve Dace begins the episode by emphasizing the concept that "worldview is destiny," setting the stage for a deep dive into the current political and cultural climate. He introduces the episode's primary focus: the impending vote for the next Speaker of the House and the unique position of Congressman Thomas Massie.

Worldview and Cultural Critique

Dace delves into a critique of contemporary American society, highlighting perceived failures in institutions like the corporate media and the church. He argues that the erosion of a strong, truth-centered worldview has led to cultural and political instability.

• Steve Dace: "Truth is a lost commodity in our culture today. We have watched our corporate media... anything that opposes the narrative of the spirit of the age is verboten." (03:15)

He laments the shift of the media from being biased yet factually accurate to what he perceives as malicious forces undermining truth. Additionally, Dace criticizes the church for abandoning its role as a moral conduit, focusing instead on superficial gains.

New Year's Resolutions and Upcoming Projects

Dace shares his personal New Year's resolutions, including plans to address Pride Month with a significant project later in 2025. He hints at a forthcoming initiative aimed at challenging prevailing cultural norms.

• Steve Dace: "I'm going to try to make stigma stigmatizing great again in 2025." (04:50)

Interview with Congressman Thomas Massie

The centerpiece of the episode is an in-depth conversation with Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who stands alone in opposing Mike Johnson’s bid for Speaker of the House.

1. Massie’s Reasons for Opposing Johnson:

   • Thomas Massie: "Mike Johnson has spent the last 18 months passing through Congress, shoving it through an America Last agenda. He authorized spying on Americans without a warrant. He sent $60 billion to Ukraine. These are not the things that Trump ran on." (84:53)

   Massie criticizes Johnson’s leadership capabilities and policy decisions, arguing that Johnson does not align with former President Trump’s America First agenda.

2. Trump’s Influence and Speaker Selection:

   • Massie: "Congress doesn't work for the president. We work with the president. If you think you can get a weak speaker and put it in neutral... Mike Johnson is not a fighter." (92:29)

   He emphasizes the need for a strong, decisive Speaker who can effectively advance Trump’s policies, rather than a figure he views as ineffectual.

3. Potential Candidates and Political Dynamics:

   Massie discusses the challenges of selecting a Speaker who can secure the necessary 218 votes without dragging the process out unnecessarily.

   • Massie: "There are at least three qualified candidates. If Mike Johnson fails, I'll put up another candidate right away." (83:56)

Grassroots Political Strategies

While the transcript includes advertisements for Polytech’s services in political campaigns, these segments are skipped as per the summary guidelines. However, the discussion underscores the importance of grassroots efforts and data-driven strategies in contemporary politics.

Personal Segment: Steve Dace with Anastasia Hibbs

In a heartfelt segment, Steve Dace converses with his daughter, Anastasia Hibbs, about her own endeavors in podcasting focused on women’s issues.

• Anastasia Hibbs: "My podcast is called Let's Talk. The idea is to break down serious issues like self-harm, eating disorders, and provide a resource for women to realize they are not alone." (65:35)

Anastasia elaborates on the importance of open conversations and support systems for women, highlighting the lack of such resources during her own struggles.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In the concluding sections, Dace synthesizes the discussions, reiterating the critical role of worldview in shaping destiny and the imperative to address systemic issues within Congress.

• Steve Dace: "Without Donald Trump having his thumb on the scale, nothing is happening. We are doing this all to ourselves." (106:52)

He underscores the necessity of strong leadership aligned with core conservative values to navigate the fractured political landscape.

Key Takeaways:

• Worldview as Destiny: A central theme is the belief that the prevailing cultural and political worldviews determine the nation's future.

• Speaker of the House Vote: Congressman Thomas Massie stands alone in opposing Mike Johnson, citing Johnson’s alignment (or lack thereof) with Trump’s agenda and leadership shortcomings.

• Cultural and Institutional Decline: Criticism is leveled against corporate media and religious institutions for abandoning their roles in upholding truth and moral values.

• Grassroots Mobilization: Emphasis on the need for data-driven, grassroots strategies to counteract entrenched political machines.

• Personal Accountability: Hosts and guests share personal resolutions aimed at self-improvement and societal impact, reflecting the show's theme of accountability and proactive engagement.

Notable Quotes:

• Steve Dace: "Truth is a lost commodity in our culture today... These institutions are captured." (03:15)

• Thomas Massie: "Congress shouldn't work against the president. We must have a fighter... Mike Johnson is not a fighter." (92:29)

• Anastasia Hibbs: "The podcast point is to be that open because... the devil likes to make us feel alone." (72:22)

This episode weaves together personal narratives, political analysis, and cultural critique to present a comprehensive view of the current state of American politics and society, urging listeners to reflect on their own worldviews and engage actively in the political process.

Transcript

[Steve Dace]

Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program. While we were attempting to enjoy the holidays, we got another grim reminder that worldview is destiny. Dread it, run from it. Destiny arrives all the same. I'm Steve Dace filling in for Glenn Beck here this morning. We'll talk more more about that here in just a moment.

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[Steve Dace]

All right, back here on the Glenn Beck Program, I am Steve Dase. Happy New Year to all of you. If you are a Blaze subscriber, then you know I do the show after Glenn about 235 to 240 days out of the year. That is noon to 2 Eastern right here on the Blaze. We return to our regular gig on Monday. We're filling in for Glenn here today alongside Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre. If you determine that you are a person of poor choice and poor tastes and have too much free time and you're like, I need to add another mediocre podcast to my regimen because I'm all out of really good ones. You can subscribe to our show right now on itunes, Spotify, Amazon, all the various podcast platforms. Just look for Steve Dace there. D E. You can also follow me on X at Steve Dace Show. Again, that's at Steve Day show on X and then at day show on YouTube. At day show on YouTube. So over the next few hours we've got a lot to say because I haven't said much over the last few weeks on a holiday break. I've got some New Year's resolutions that I want to lay out for you in the next hour of the show, including a tease of a project that I have been clandestine working on for much of 2024 that we are going to tease later on in this program. And for now, all I'm going to say is my intent is to do something to pride month later in 2025 that long ago should have been done. And we'll tease it and leave it at that until the next hour of the show. Congressman Thomas Massie will be joining us. The speaker vote is later this morning. And the man that the two men that are now at the focal point of that vote speake, Mike Johnson, and then the one at least announced dissenting voice, Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky. It only takes one more voice to join him this morning at around what is it? I think one Eastern, I think is the vote. It only takes one other voice to join him. And then we have a vacated chair. So Congressman Thomas Massie will be joining us later this hour. Why is he defying the edict of President Trump? Why has he determined he will not vote again for Mike Johnson for speaker? And we'll let you hear him make his case a little bit later on. And then I've got some other personal things that I think are important for you to know about that we'll talk about with some special guests later in the program as well. But I want to lead off here this morning. And and I want to talk about one of the iron laws of the universe that I think we have kind of forgotten. We have holistically forgotten it as a country. We are living in what I like to call an epistemological nuclear winner. And epistemology is just a nice fancy stained glass window word for how do we know what we know? And how do we know what we know is true? What does that mean? Truth is a lost commodity in our culture today. We have watched our corporate media. As many of you tuning in today know, our corporate media has gone from biased but largely factually accurate to just a force of malevolence in the culture. Now, anything that opposes the narrative of the spirit of the age is verboten. And that's how you see a corporate media go from corporations are evil liars to we now just rip and read press releases from Pfizer and put them on the front page of the New York Times without any scrutiny or skepticism or questioning whatsoever. These institutions are captured. What's happening on the right, though, and a lot of that is because we live in an era today where the church, by and large, sadly, in America has abrogated its position of prominence in the culture. It's the, it's the, it's the institution that God gave. It's the only institution God made that stands outside of time and space. The church and one of its primary duties is to be a conduit for truth in the culture. And many of our churches in the last generation have chosen to be conduits for sales of Hawaiian shirts, skinny jeans, pleated khakis and sweater vests and just racking up the biggest numbers they can. To quote from the movie Bonhoeffer, which you have, if you have not seen it, you're doing yourself a disservice. You should. What does it matter how many people are here? What matters is why they are here. So we're selling widgets, we're filling barns, but souls and hearts and minds are walking out largely unsatiated and unfilled and undiscipled. And so the counter to the malevolence on the left is all too often now on the right is our own counter narrative, whether or not it's true or not. And this is kind of unavoidable. We're in a flat out cold civil war now. And in any war, eventually you reach the tipping point where victory becomes a more important objective than objective facts do. And if we're not at that point in our culture war, we are pretty close, especially after events that occurred in New Orleans here, which I'm leading to in a moment. But you need to know the backdrop. You need to know the backdrop. I mean, how did we get here with Grandma Ethel as the police chief of New Orleans who doesn't know what a barricade is? How did we get here in importing this worldview that now, now we don't even have to wait for the Black Swan event over our border. We just have people after they've been Americans, after they've served in our military, are now capable of this level of brainwashing and then demonic acting out. How did we get here? It's important to understand the backdrop of this because there's going to be a lot of debate about policy and what to do moving forward. But I don't think we can move forward until we understand why we're having this debate in the first place. Nor the previous generation of Americans debated how much of an enemy worldview to inject and import into its own institutions and culture. In fact, they had the opposite impulse, which, which was to radically act out too harshly. Well, let's just take anybody that looks Japanese and intern them, because it now, I don't agree with those policies. I think they're inhumane. But at least I understand taking that premise too faul are. I can understand that. And that's where you do need dissenting voices like Bonhoeffers and every age that will stand up and say you're not allowed to do that. There's a higher law here. Well, we've abandoned that debate wholly and completely in our day and age. And instead the debate is how much of our values should we abandon? So I don't get called racist, so I don't get called xenophobe. So I don't get called homophobe. So I don't get called a Christian nationalist or woke right or dissident right or any of these other stupid silly terms that are all psyops, no matter who's wielding them. People who pretend to be on our side, who get all kinds of high end bookings in on in right wing conferences, who are either fools or or double agents and I repeat myself, or people who are just frankly too weak in character and integrity that they just can't take someone they're never gonna like and who's never gonna like them calls them a name. 84 years ago. 84 years ago, British men were the last line of defense for the west against Hitler. For months they were all that stood behind the Iron Cross and the Third Reich and the swastika and total dominion. And British men, even to the point of commoner British men getting in their own boats and injecting themselves into battle to save their soldiers on the beaches of Dunkirk were the last line of defense for months against the Nazis. 84 years later, British men cannot be bothered by and large that their daughters might be mass gang raped by illegals because their religion tells them to. After all, we might get called racists and in fact we'll elect prime minister one of the guys who's going to help them do it. No. It is important to understand why we are here before we discuss where we're going to go. Otherwise we're going to end up in the same ditches we're already in. How did you wake up? Turn on a football bowl game yesterday and the CEO of one of America's most venerable corporations, Allstate, reeking of beta mail jumps on there at a buck oh five. I need you to understand that divisiveness is a terrorist. In the name of allah, dude killed 15 people and tried to kill a lot more and you're lecturing us? How did we get here? We forgot a simple truth. Worldview is destiny. I'll discuss that more here in a moment.

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[Steve Dace]

Steve Dase back here filling in for Glenn Beck here today on the Glenn Beck Program. For now, we are I'm going to choose to set aside the Las Vegas explosion and not discuss that today because there's just too many narratives, counter narratives, and I'm big into waiting until I have certainty before I take a side on something. Waiting until I have certainty before I discuss something. So for now, we're going to set that moment aside. Although the coincidence, I'll say this, the coincidence of an explosion using Elon Musk's technology in front of a building that is owned by Donald Trump, when those two men are really the reasons the last election was won and it happening on the exact same day as the New Orleans bombing is incredible. Incredible. But there's too many facts there that are still in dispute. So we'll set that event aside and I want us to focus on where there is much more certainty about what happened and why. And that is in New Orleans. So again, let's set the scene. Here we have an American who served in the military, then gets radicalized by Islam. He successfully bombs a blue city with Grandma Ethel for a police chief. Just if I wrote this script and send it off to Angel Studios, they'd be like, this is too hackneyed in partisan. No one would believe this is real life. While the Feds ignored numerous warnings about him being a threat and are now claiming they didn't get any. Because they have grandmothers, of course to arrest for praying. They've got other grandmothers they're concerned about. Not the fact that New Orleans has a grandmother. And I don't mean like a new grandmother, like, like grandma got run over by a reindeer grandmother for a police chief. No, they've got other grandmamas to that they're more concerned about. They have to arrest for daring to, for, for babies. So we're not focused on that. This story is the last 30 plus years of Democrat policies wrapped up and summarized into just one. One colossal self inflicted tragedy. All we're missing here is Grandma Ethel needs to just be in a non binary marriage with an illegal alien. And we've touched them all, man. I mean there's literally, there's nothing left. I've bemoaned on my own show for the last few years how sad it is that this is the dumbest collapse of an empire slash superpower in human history. It's the dumbest. Like there's no Attila the Hun, there's no Genghis Khan, there's no Alexander the Great, there's no Peter the Great, there's no Ivan the Terrible. We don't even have an evil Soviet empire. No. We are so, so fixated on clowning ourselves to the ash heap of history here that we're not even worthy of a great conqueror who just wants to pick up our mantle after they've taken us out. We're just doing this all to ourselves. And, and, and here's why. Because worldview is destiny. What we believe and why we believe it matters almost as much as anything else in this world. What you think about all day long and the way you think about it will shape the person you will be on that very day. We have acted for a long time now like those things aren't true. How long? I'd go back to 2009 in the Fort Hood shooting. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil at the time since 9 11. The worst mass shooting ever on a military base. I'll never forget watching the commandant of the army on CNN doing an interview and his primary concern was about whether this was going to impact their Muslim outreach in the army. I was relatively new at this job. I just made the switch from sports talk radio just a couple of years prior. A young dad doing a show on you know who in Des Moines, Iowa. And I'm like, are you telling me the people running this thing are this dumb. And the answer every time I've asked that question ever since has sadly been yes, yes, they are. Let me give you some more evidence of how dumb this is, how much of a clown show this is since 9 11. Now, again, previous eras. Previous eras would have taken the right premise too far. Would have taken the right premise too far. There's nothing wrong with saying, hey, now that we've been attacked by an axis of evil and we've just had a massive wave of immigration in our country here at the turn of the century in the last generation, maybe we need to kind of see how many people are loyal to the United States and how many people in here are not. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Nothing wrong with vetting belief systems at all. In fact, that's the government's job, to be an avenging angel according to the word of God. Romans 13, verse 4, Bringing the sword of righteousness against the evildoer. What's wrong is just assuming people based on how they spell their name or what their face looks like or what color their skin is, that they just happen to instantly be guilty. And rounding them up as such, that is what is wrong. But begging that question and asking it, nothing wrong with that at all. That's healthy. What's unhealthy is how far you're willing to go, because we still. That we still have to. You know. The same word of God that says the government's job is to punish evildoers also says to love your neighbor as you love yourself. I mean, you wouldn't want to be instantly suspected of something, Todd, when you've done nothing or demonstrated nothing to show that you are guilty of such a thing other than just the way you look or the way you spell your last name or what. What your accent is that when you wouldn't want that, right?

[Todd Erzin]

I've got some experience with that, in fact. Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

Correct. But the premise of wanting to find out. Okay, well, now that we're at an existential war, literally for the future of civilization, we probably need to find out after we just did this massive wave of immigration, how many people here really are loyal to the country they just came to? There's nothing wrong with that at all.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, we do take oaths to become citizens and correct the government enforcers of the laws thereby.

[Steve Dace]

Correct. We won't even go to that premise today. Let me give you some more evidence. Since 9 11. Now, again, previous generations would have been tempted to take that premise I just articulated and go way too far with it and just start violating God given rights, social compacts. But we've abandoned that premise and have abandoned really the right to remain a sovereign people. And as a result, let me give you some data. Since 911 we have imported at least two and a half million million million people from Islamist countries since 9 11. Our impulse after 911 was not to do the vetting but to actually just do the invading ourselves. Just open it up. Just open it up. We've had more Islamic terror on our shore since 911 than we did all the years prior to it combined. Because of what I'm about to tell you. According to the 2023 census update, those two and a half million people, if they were their own state, that would be the 37th most populous state in America. How about if they were their own city, It'd be the fourth most populous city in America. Now let's say every single one of these people were closely vetted. I think we all know that they weren't. I think we all know this, right? We do. Yeah. But let's just say they were. And let's say the hit rate of that vetting is 99. They weren't vetted and we know the hit rate is at 99. But let's just go with it, Run with it, right? Wait till you hear what the data shows they would represent. It will blow your mind when we come back. Stay tuned. Stand up Glenn Beck.

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[Steve Dace]

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[Thomas Massie]

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[Steve Dace]

Given up on the American worldview to the point that they have dechristianized our society. At the same time, they decided to mass import another religion into this society. Two and a half million people since 911 from Islamist dominated countries. Two and a half million. Now let's say they were all carefully vetted. We know they weren't. And let's say that our vetting hit rate is 99. We know that's not true, but let's just make it for the maximum amount of grace we can for our fellow countrymen. Let's do that. Fair.

[Todd Erzin]

Okay.

[Steve Dace]

If they missed by even 1%, that would represent 25,000 potential terrorist cells in the United States. To put that in perspective, that is larger than the standing armies of NATO members, Finland and Norway. So we are allowing it to brainwash our own citizens. Like what happened to a military veteran who got brainwashed by Islam. As an American, we are importing it, mass importing that same worldview into our society. For reasons only Allah knows, we have chosen as a people to ascent to and tolerate a mass importation of a Quranic worldview into our culture. And it's important therefore to know what this worldview is. So I'm going to tell you because you need to know. Muhammad spent the last 20 years of his life in constant perpetual warfare, committing atrocities. In fact, after he died, he left no heir. So his followers divided into two sects. You know him today as Shias and Sunnis. They instantly went to war against each other. Each side wrote their own hadiths. You think there's just one hadith? There's not. There's multiple hadiths writing their own clarifications. We don't have Pauline letters, we don't have John Mark taking dictation from Peter. Muhammad couldn't read or write, so they started making stuff up to go at one another, to claim dominion over one another. They've been at war with one another from the very beginning. One of the worst empires in human history, the Ottoman Empire, what was it? Muslims conquering Muslims. That's what it was. And it wasn't, when it wasn't, that they were at constant war with the West. Within a generation after Muhammad died, Islam launched its first attack against the Holy Land. No nation called Israel had existed on the earth for 500 years. Because some of you think, well, you know, if we weren't successfully aligned at Israel, they would just leave us alone. You're morons. And I'm going to prove it to you or you're just anti Semites. And based on how you react to the following information I'm about to give you, you'll just out yourself. There was no nation of Israel for 500 years and Islam attacked the Holy Land. Nevertheless, over the next 1300 years, Islam has waged perpetual war with Christendom in the West. During a period of time there was no nation of Israel. From 110 AD to 1948, there was no nation of Israel upon this Earth. Those 1800 years intersect with 1300 years of Islamic history. And Islam has attacked and gone to war against the west that entire time, including periods of time when frankly anti Semitism was mainstream within much of Christendom. They attacked us anyway. First war this country ever fought. Barbary coast pirates, Islamically radicalized. These are facts of history. Let me give you some more. Some of the greatest and earliest enclaves of Christianity were in places called Lebanon. Were sects called Coptics or they were Egyptian. Antioch, which the New Testament says it's the first place people were called Christians was an Antioch, that's Syria. Assyrian Christians were one of the massive early Christian enclaves. Iraq. The Book of Revelation, which there's so much discussion and speculation about today, opens with seven letters to churches, seven individual churches in a country called Asia Minor. You know what today is Turkish. Where? Where did all these Christians go? Where did all of these Christian sects go? They had a referendum. There was a vigorous campaign. Both sides, the sheikh and the priest, presented their facts and viewpoints and the people rose up. Vote Populi and said Muhammad did it. No, no, that's not what happened. And that's never what happens. Instead, what always happens is what just happened again in New Orleans and keeps happening again and again and again. So no, our relatively recent realignment with this relatively recent iteration of Israel is not why they come after us. It shouldn't matter what you prophetically view of Israel. You should see them as an ally anyway because we have a common enemy who sees us as their common enemy. Infidels. People of the Book. This is what happens when you give up on your own worldview. Nature abhors a vacuum. There is no secular realm. Our secular elites are just God hating duises. They're not enlightened. They cleverly thought they were using things like Islam to destabilize Christianity so that they could then take over. They're wrong. Islam's going to take them over. For over 20 years running, the most popular baby name in London has been Muhammad. Some of you are Just hearing this story for the first time. It's been going on for 20 years. Many of the old great cathedrals of Europe are either vacant or mosques. Because something will always rule and something must always be worshiped. There is a heaven and a hell, so something will always rule and something must always be worshiped. There is no secular realm. There never has been, there never will be. It's just a place where you go to get conditioned for the new religion you're about to receive. And the reason why our generation has been oppressed by this more times than we can all count and previous generations weren't. They had their own issues, but this wasn't one of them, is they understood everything that I just told you. They taught it in their schools. It was well known history. The church was active and engaged. Citizenship mattered, culture mattered. People wanted to assimilate into the superior culture. You know, the biblical one that says, love your neighbor as you love yourself. So no, I, I am not allowed to just instantly take away the rights of my Muslim neighbor because I disagree with their religion or to treat them as lesser than me because of their beliefs. Jesus died for them too. This narrow road of tension between justice and mercy that they actually can't always successfully navigate it in. Previous generations were certainly not perfect at this, but they at least tried. They at least tried. We don't. So we run ads on television that Jesus was a refugee, which was never true. Never true, not once, not even factually accurate, let alone theologically. This is foolishness and we're doing this all to ourselves. There is no nation that would dare stand against us. We do it. We're doing it all to ourselves. And I'm telling you right now, if you send another quasi, pretend secular movement at radical Islam, you will only strengthen it because you'll be lying to yourself and forgetting what I just said. Something will always rule. Something must always be worshiped. There is no secular realm, and the only antidote to a bad theology is a good one. Now, I know for a lot of you, a lot of what I just told you is new. You've never heard this before. Well, I've been going to church for 40 years. No one's ever. That's the problem. That's the problem. If you are a pastor or a priest in this audience and you have not taught your people what I just said to you, you have failed in your calling. This has only been the predominant cultural clash for the last 25 years. Almost. Do your jobs. That shouldn't be up to a freaking talk show host. To do it for you. Do your job. Because my people perish for a lack of knowledge and we are perishing. 15 perished that didn't have to because of this, every crime committed by an illegal alien didn't have to be committed could have been completely avoided because they weren't supposed to be here. We cannot outrun Worldview. And the reason why a Muslim who wants to live an otherwise peaceful life has a better chance at a peaceful and prosperous life here within the country Islam calls, ironically, the Great Satan than they do anywhere else on earth is because the biblical worldview is superior to all other worldviews. That's why American exceptionalism in a civic realm is has has proven to be superior to all other governing systems, philosophies and styles in all of human history. This is why Worldview is destiny. Dread it, run from it, or in our case, ignore it. Think you can defy it. And destiny arrives all the same. So now that we've talked Worldview, what would be some solutions? What would be policies? I'm going to give you a very specific one here next. You're listening to the Glenn Beck program. Stand up.

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[Steve Dace]

Steve Dase here, filling in on the Glenn Beck program. So now that you have just a little morsel of knowledge and understanding of how we went in a generation from running commercials demanding and Billy Graham crusades on national television demanding that. That you get Jesus to now spending billions of dollars to run TV ads saying that Jesus gets you. Okay, if you want to know how all that happened and then why we just decided to import an aberrant worldview out of complete and total willful ignorance now, you know, a bunch of people believing themselves to be enlightened thought this was the way to destabilize the Christian civilization of America. And they're cosmic useful idiots. They thought they were going to bring an aberrant view like Islam in here to destabilize Christianity. And Islam is treating them like the useful idiots they are. So then what are solutions then? You know, there are times that authorities have to just act. For example, a cop comes upon a bank robbery and a bank robber has a knife or a gun to the throat of the teller. Does the cop. Do we want the cop, Todd, to call timeout? Let's get on a zoom call and let's just have a trial right here. Okay. Before I act, is. Is that what the cops line of duty rules of engagement in that situation.

[Todd Erzin]

Are not for most. Maybe the grandmother in New Orleans, but maybe.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. Who doesn't know what a barricade is, apparently. You know, but at her age, you forget things. So. Yeah, no, we want them to act. That's the charge. That's why the. It's in. It's. It's explicitly expressed by the fact the officers carrying a weapon, correct?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

So act. We want them to act in that moment now after the fact, you know, you got to clear things, make sure that that act was justified. Because it is a grave thing to act as. As a cop would have to in such a case. Right. So we want to make sure that everything was followed accordingly. But because of the level of threat at that time, it would be less prudent to then not act at all.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

And then find out after the fact we acted too harshly, Right?

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

That's the calculation we take. So there are moments when authorities that we grant government by the consent of the governed, we grant them the authority and the authority they are to exercise according to the biblical worldview. Our country was founded on is to bring the sword of righteousness and be an avenging angel against the evildoer, Paul writes. So there are times that we just act because the threat is so grave. I submit one of those events happened New Year's night in Manhattan, just hours in fact, while they were still counting the dead bodies in New Orleans, scores of people went to the streets of Manhattan to protest the glorious Intifada. Round them all up and deport them all, every last single one of them. They've self deported themselves. They've announced themselves as enemies of the United States. Put them all on a raft a thousand feet in the open waters and then come and see if their glorious Intifada will come and claim them. Deport every last one. The Glenn Beck Program.

[Thomas Massie]

It's a new day.

[Steve Dace]

Welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the Glenn Beck Program. So like everybody else, I've got some New Year's resolutions. Now I'm the stubborn type that actually tries to keep them. I don't make them very often, but I've got a few I'm gonna make and I'm gonna put them out over a few hundred radio stations here this morning just as a matter of holding myself accountable, including the lofty goal of launching perhaps the most effective takedown of Pride Month that we've ever seen. Tell you about that and more here in a moment.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Steve Dace]

I am Steve Days filling in today on the Glenn Beck program. I return to my normal show right after Glenn here on the Blaze on Monday, noon to 2 Eastern. If you want to check it out on the Blaze, you can subscribe to the podcast version on itunes and elsewhere. Just look for my name. Steve Dase. D E A C E. Check us out on YouTube as well. We had to start all over on YouTube because I told too much truth during COVID So they censored the H double hockey sticks out of me. So we have a new YouTube channel at day show on YouTube is where you can go at day show on YouTube again, I'm Steve Dase with Todderson and Aaron McIntyre. Check us out Monday through Friday right after Glenn here most days on the Blaze from noon to 2 Eastern. And like everybody else, I've got some New Year's resolutions. All right, I, I posted these a couple, a couple days ago on my X account. You can follow me there at Steve Dace show. But I like accountability. I'm just a true contrarian. And it's because I just know myself, right? Like, it's very limited how much workout stuff I'll put in my house just because typically I have to get out of the house. My house is my castle. I'll work out if I have to leave the house more consistently than if I stay in the house. Right. I just have to understand, you know, be self aware. Okay. And, and so to that end, I'm going to put these out into the ether on hundreds of radio stations so that you guys will hold hope or, or will help hold me accountable. Easy for me to say. You'll help hold me accountable to these for the rest of 20, 25. All right, so let me start with something very basic that a lot of people have. Okay. So last year I wanted to lose 50 more. PO already lost well over 100 over the last several years. But I, I needed to lose another 50. I got to about 40. So I've got 10 more to go. But I think I need to punish myself because I didn't hit the goal. So I'm now going to lose another 10. So I want to lose another 20 this year. That is my goal. And I had people ask me, hey, you know, why do you want to look at it as punishment? Because I, you know, if you know me for more than 10 minutes, I tend to respond well to negative reinforcements. If you tell me I think you're good, I'll think I'm good and I won't try any harder. If you tell me that Sucks, then I'm going to try to prove you wrong and defy you. We're all different. Some people are. You know, my wife took me about 20 years to learn she's much better at positive reinforcement than the negative. I finally learned in our marriage got better. Who knew? Okay. But yes, I respond well to negative reinforcement, so. So to punish myself for not hitting the goal that I made last year, I'm gonna have to now lose another 10 just to call it even. I think that's fair. Good.

[Todd Erzin]

I mean, the pumpkin spice quotient is yours to figure out. I mean, it's one of your many, indeed, idiosyncrasies. So, you know, I've got nine months.

[Steve Dace]

Till pumpkin spice comes back, so I've got nine months to lose 20.

[Todd Erzin]

You've done the math. I trust you.

[Steve Dace]

All right, New Year's resolution number two. I know a lot of you saw the movie. I helped to executive produce Nefarious when it was out in 2023. My next new Year's resolution is we will officially begin pre production on the Nefarious sequel this year. So we are, we have, we are making some pre, pre production machinations, but the kinds of things you do when you hope to eventually get to official pre production. So my hope is that we will get to official pre production this coming year. And, and we do have Sean Patrick Flannery lined up to return for the sequel series along with Jordan Belfi. The two of them were so great in the movie together and, and maybe another addition to the cast that some of you might find exciting. If we're able to get across the goal line with that one. You're kind of aware of what it is without letting the cat out of the bag. Will you agree or disagree? That is something that probably a lot of our people would be very excited about.

[Todd Erzin]

Absolutely.

[Steve Dace]

Yeah. So some of you might be wondering, how can Sean come back? Oh, we've got a great idea for how that's going to happen, but if I told you, then it wouldn't be fun for you to find out later. So. But we are working on that. And, and we're actually hoping to make it into a series to explore these characters now a little bit more and put it on a, a wider platform and have it be more than an hour and 40 minutes this time. So that's what we're working on. So that's, that's my next New Year's resolution. Here's another one that I have. I spent a lot of time the last couple of years not caring what atheist self appointed sheriffs of Nottingham thought about my faith and worldview and that they thought, they thought it was their job to check it somehow and to rein it in. Or the, the internal intra personality squabbles that often go on that are largely just mere urination matches? I, you guys ask me, I get emailed. I got like 15 emails already in the last few days. And, and delete. No. My answer is just no. I'm not even going to respond. No, no, I'm out. I'm just, I'm not getting involved in these things. I got enough of my own fights, I've got enough of my own enemies, enough of my own problems. And as long as you don't make me your enemy or my belief system your enemy, as far as I'm concerned, we're friends, okay? If you want to make me or your belief system my end your enemy, I'll. I'm your huckleberry. I'll play. Okay? But barring that, I'm out. I don't care. And a lot of this stuff, frankly gets crazy. Okay, listen, I put the fun and fundamentalism. I'm a solo scriptura guy. Todd, who I hired to work and edit my stuff, is, is a guy who would do the Latin mass in his basement if he thought he was qualified. Fair?

[Todd Erzin]

Fair.

[Steve Dace]

Okay, that. So there's, there's some differences of opinion and convictions even on our own show here. All right? But some of this stuff gets so cr. Like there are people I know and respect who are like adamant that Catholicism, Todd's sect, is a fake Christianity, but yet at the same time they're very adamant that we need to return to the politics of Pat Buchanan. Correct. Who was Catholic. I don't know how to navigate that. So guess what? I'm not gonna try. I resolve again this year to not even try. Catholicism is a fake religion, but we must return to the politics of Pat Buchanan, who's Catholic. I don't know how to navigate that. It's beyond my qualifications and capabilities. So guess what? I resolve again this year not to try. So I won't. So my answer is no, I don't, I don't have an answer for you, and I'm not going to play referee. And if two people are arguing about something that I happen to like, go ask them why they're arguing about it, because if I'm not in the argument, there's no need to involve me. Fair?

[Todd Erzin]

It would seem so.

[Steve Dace]

It would seem so.

[Todd Erzin]

You may as well have said you were gonna lose like 40 pounds because that would have been easier than to accomplish.

[Steve Dace]

Yes. But I resolve. And if you think I can't be petty and stubborn about, I can be even pettier and more stubborn about not involving myself in something that I can be about involving myself in something. You have not even begun to see the level of uninvolvement I am capable of.

[Todd Erzin]

Love facts. Yes.

[Steve Dace]

I mean, I. I had one. I won't name him. I had a. I had one Christian influencer reach out to me over the holidays who has not communicated with me about anything for the last several years. I even went to him because I'd known him for years and about nefarious. Nothing, no replies, nothing. And out of nowhere, he finally decides he's going to DM me over the holidays to warn me about a conference I'm going to speak at next year. What do you think my reply back to him was? Or this year now, because it's 2025.

[Todd Erzin]

The same sound of silence.

[Steve Dace]

It was the sound of silence. To quote the great prophets, Depeche Mode. Enjoy the silence. Yes. Nothing. Nothing is my response. Yes, I was. I started keeping this New Year's resolution like the last few days of 2024. So no. No is the answer. All right.

[Todd Erzin]

No, you went Willy Wonka. You get nothing.

[Steve Dace]

You get nothing. Correct? Yes. However, one of the other New Year's resolutions I have, I did the Bible in a year for the seventh time last year, and I want to now make it for the rest of my days. I resolve I'm going to do it every year. I'm going to go through it every single year. And then there's a million plans. You know, I will. I'll do some reading, I'll do some audio. I do audio every day over breakfast. Right. Like, so even before I came in here to do this show, had about 20, 30 minutes over breakfast. All right? So I had. That was the only audio I had in the room because I was the only one up this early or the break. Okay? So, you know, find the plan that fits and works for you. Okay? But if that's what you want to do. But I'm going to try to make it an annual thing for me every single year. All right? And then another New Year's resolution number six. I'm going to try, just like we did this first hour of the show here today on Glenn's program, I'm going to try to analyze things from even more of a worldview than a political. Political process viewpoint, even more than we have typically done that in the past. And the reason why is because we're having some serious governing debates on the right. We're going to have this week, Congressman Thomas Massie next hour. And frankly, I'm not even sure where I even stand on whether to vote for Mike Johnson or not. So, you know, I'll work this out with him when he comes on the show next hour.

[Todd Erzin]

But page one, N1 discussion was a perfect.

[Steve Dace]

Yes, it was. And then the, the continuing resolution discussion right after, right before Christmas. We are serious about governing on the right now for the first time in many, many moons. And, and that's great. Now the trade off is going to be a lot of the differences we have on policy have largely been papered over while we were in a unified front against the left. And, and now we have to govern now. And the country is trusting us to finally govern and not just give them talking points like we're going to repeal Obamacare and then not do it, for example. We're going to build a wall and then not finish it, for example. All right. That we're going to do the, do the things. Trump is clearly laying out a level of messaging and policy specificity way beyond what he has done in the past. So he's clearly serious about governing. All right. So these fissures are going to come up now that we're going to actually act on policy. We're not all going to agree. And so I think it's going to be paramount, at least some of us try to analyze this as much as possible from a worldview standpoint than a public, than just a policy standpoint. And so I'm going to resolve to do that even more intentionally this year. And to that end, I'm going to give the Trump administration a lot of grace this first year because they, we need them to be successful because if they're not, the amount of time we're going to have to turn on each other and criticize. We're gonna have plenty of time for that later. Okay. Is if, if they're not successful this year. All right, that brings me to one final New Year's resolution I teased here at the top of the show. Right. Gonna talk about that here in just a moment.

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[Steve Dace]

All right, Steve Deis back here on the Glenn Beck program. Happy New Year to all of you. So going through my New Year's resolutions, you guys have any thoughts on the first six that I've laid out here so far, any that you think are unrealistic, you disagree with, etc.

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I think from the Bible perspective personally, but more broadly, we on our own show started Romans Bible study last March, was it got through.

[Steve Dace]

We're in the middle of chapter six, I think.

[Todd Erzin]

Right. And like I said, it seems like we all agree that it's gone about as well as we could have expected and that's pretty darn good. So I think why not up the ante on that kind of thing both personally and more broadly in terms of worldview?

[Thomas Massie]

Yeah, I think a lot of people, I mean, this is an evergreen question that a lot of people have, but why? Why are things happening the way that they do? Why do things go down in the political world, in the scene realm, the way that they do? Well, the only way you can attempt to answer those questions is by applying worldview and applying three dimensional thinking. And I'm going to butcher this, Steve, so you might have to correct me, but it's something along the lines of knowing what you believe, knowing why you believe what you believe, and knowing why others believe what they believe. And there's other tentacles to three dimensional thinking as well. That's going to be badly needed because there's a hundred different places you can go for rote political analysis. But that's kind of the exciting part of this year because there are going to be some things that we're really excited about and really optimistic about. With the income coming Donald Trump administration, there's going to be some things that we might be disappointed about, particularly as he attempts to navigate the political mores that are present right now, not just on The Democrat side in Washington D.C. in the deep state but on the Republican side that we're going to see play out before our eyes even today with the speaker fight. So I think if there was ever a time to apply a biblical worldview over and over again, it's going to be the year 2025.

[Steve Dace]

Amen. So to that end and last year I began working on a clandestine project that you, Aaron, actually inspired just as a throwaway line when I came in one day last May, I think it was. Yeah, and, and you mentioned it and the light bulb went off in my head. Alright. So over the next six months I've been working on this project with a team of people and this is the New Year's resolution that I was teasing earlier. I want to launch the most what I my goal, you know, I don't aim low here. It's go big or go home. It's kind of one of my life philosophy. Solve your problem with aggression and go big or go home are like two of my absolute stasisms. Okay, so I want to launch perhaps the most effective takedown of of Pride Month that the right is ever same. But I think to do so we have to remember the old Irish Catholic saying that what the devil hates the most is to be mocked is to be mocked. So I have a project coming out later this year. I can't tell you more about it right now except this. You can go to richiemeatstherainbow.com R I C H I E R I C H I E Richie meets the Rainbow.com keep that website handy throughout the course of this year. It's only going to be another couple of months. You're going to hear more. All right. But Richie Meets the Rainbow is where you can go if you want to be caught up on the full announcement of this project that I'm teasing right now. And you can make sure that when more information becomes available that you are in on it and you're going to want to be. And I, I I I've said the last several years I will never write anything better than a Nefarious plot. The movie that inspired Nefarious, even though I've written several books since then and and I'm not saying that this is going to be better than a nefarious plot. It won't be because I don't think I'll ever write anything better than that. But I do think it will be every bit as effective. I think when this comes out it's going to blow people's minds. There has Never been a takedown of Pride Month quite like this. And I think before you can full onslaught a worldview, you have to show the audience that the emperor has no clothes, that this has been a scam from the beginning. So there's no need to fear it. It's a joke. It's not serious. There's no need to fear it. Much of the reason this has continued to invade and infest our culture is our own fear. To remove the stigma of fear in something, you have to demystify it and then re stigmatize it. And boy howdy, I intend to make stigma, stigmatizing Great again in 2025. We're going to make stigmatizing great again. Needs to be a little bit more stigmatizing happening. Not enough stigmatizing, I think, happening in America. Can I get amen on that? From both Catholics and Protestants.

[Todd Erzin]

Amen. Can we get hats? What color will they be?

[Steve Dace]

Black hats. These have to be black. All right. Make stigmatizing great again. Yes. All right, so go to richiemeats, the rainbow.com R I C H I E if you want to get more information on this. More information will be forthcoming here later in the first quarter of 2025. Let me tease it with this. And if I say anything more, my, my, I'm gonna get a call from my team when I get off the air. When, when we went to put this thing together, when we went to take it from concept to a product, we had to go outside of America, finding someone within America that would produce this product and put their name on it. And I'm not joking, it was not.

[Todd Erzin]

To make them, to be clear, to make America great again, we had to go outside of America to make America.

[Steve Dace]

And let me tell you, I'll just tell you where we had to go. We had to go to Hungary. We had to go Victor Orban's Hungary.

[Todd Erzin]

That checks out.

[Steve Dace]

That's. That means so we're on brand. Just so you know, we are on brand. And we had to go to Victor Orban's Orban's Hungary to find someone that would produce our concept for us. All right? Because to truly know who it is that lords over you, simply discern whom you're not permitted to offend. Oh, there will be maximum offense with this project. Richiemeetstherainbow.com is where you want to go. R I c h I e. Richiemeetstherainbow.com we had to produce it in Hungary to save America. Richiemeetstherainbow.com Glenn Beck.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Steve Dace]

Glenn back miss the show. Listen anytime, anywhere podcasts are found.

[Thomas Massie]

Stick around more after the break.

[Steve Dace]

All right, back here on the Glenn Beck program, Steve Dace here filling in for Glenn Beck. Return to my normal show Monday. Todd erzin and Aaron McIntyre are here with me as they normally would be. You can follow me on X as well. At Steve Dace show. That's D E A C E at Steve Dace show on X. And then finally, don't forget if you want to get updated on a project I was working on top secret the last half of 2024. And when you see that product here in the first half of 2025, you're gonna realize why we kept the top secret, okay? And you're also gonna realize why we had to go to friggin Hungary to get it made. Okay? Richie meetstherinbo.com is where you want to go. R I C H I E. Richie meets the rainbow is where you want to go. And we hope that this is the beginning of a movement to push back on the clownish demonic insanity that for too long has held our culture in a vice grip. All right, Richie meets the rainbow.com again. Richie meets the rainbow.com now along those same lines, we are joined this morning by my oldest daughter, Anastasia. Good to see you, sweetie. How are you?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Good. I'm doing good. I haven't been here in the office for a long time.

[Steve Dace]

You have not been because you're you're in your mom era right now.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

So you're at home with her.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

With our mutually beloved Autumn. How is she this morning?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

She, I mean, she was hype this morning. You know, she loves the new, like, Mufasa soundtrack. We've never seen the movie, obviously, but for some reason she loves it, so.

[Steve Dace]

And she likes a lot of music.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

And she just loves to dance, so I just told her and she dances. I mean, she's pretty easy going.

[Steve Dace]

She is. You were the same exact way. Big day for you, by the way.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

You got you and your husband Stephen. Just a coincidence, the same name. You and your husband Stephen are closing on your first house today, so that's pretty cool.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

We're excited and everything's been going smooth so far, so hopefully it goes well today. But we're really excited.

[Steve Dace]

You're all grown up. You're all grown up and. And I'm old, that's what.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes, you are. That was accurate.

[Steve Dace]

Just remember confirmed that what goes around comes around on Just remember. I will remember that, but that's not why we are having you on the show this morning. You are launching something that, that I, I think is really important and I want to see it be successful. Not just because you're my kid, but because you're basically a prettier clone of me. You know that if I thought it was a terrible idea and wasn't going to work, you wouldn't be here this morning. Yes, I would still tell you I love you very much, sweetie, but no, we're not putting that on Glenn Beck's show. Right. So it's, it's because I, I think you have some giftedness in this area for sure. And then I think you have a willingness to be transparent, which, which I think is very important in relating to the next generation. And there, there are a lot of concerns about the, the direction of future generations in America. We are living in a situation right now, for example, where for the first time in American history, the average 25 year old American male is more likely to be living at home with a parent than in another home with a wife and kids. So your husband is a rarity among the young men, even of his own generation. There's a lot of confusion about the direction that for the next generation of young women. There is a podcast I just showing my age and I'm certainly not approved, but I was not even aware of Call me Daddy is what it's called.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Call her Daddy.

[Steve Dace]

Call her Daddy. Okay. I didn't even know what it was. Never Heard of it in my life until one of the presidential candidates. Yeah. Kamala Harris went on the show.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yeah.

[Steve Dace]

And I. And then you texted me after the news broke, and you were like, hey, dad, do you know what this is? I was like, I have no idea. I never heard. I'm 52 years old. I don't know what it is.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

And you proceeded to tell me what it was. Okay. And I was like, whoa. Right. And. And so this is now where we go to have campaign conversations, platforms like this. Okay. So you kind of were also inspired by what you saw there. Right. And. And you want to counter that programming for the young women of your generation. So tell us about that.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yeah. So my podcast is called let's Talk. And yes, the inspiration really came from that podcast, Call Her Daddy. But a lot of it also came from my husband, Stephen. A lot of the time was listening to a lot of male conservative podcasts about specific topics. I mean, your guys's or, you know, other ones, like the Sean Ryan show, stuff like that, and they would cover a lot of topics. And it made me start to realize that there aren't a lot of female podcasts that really go in depth about serious issues. You know, there's a lot of, like, political side or biblical side. But what about when, you know, I'm struggling with. For example, we did an episode recently on Self Harm. One of my closest friends has dealt with that almost her whole entire life, you know, and there's not a lot of episodes where there's just one topic breaking it down for young women or even I've had a lot of moms and grandmas like, this was extremely helpful in, you know, listening to this conversation about how to approach this conversation with my daughter or niece or whatever. And so in. In the whole podcast, you know, idea is that it's not meant to be sequential. You don't have to listen to it. You know, every single episode, it's, oh, I'm dealing with, you know, self harm. Or I had my sister on to talk about her struggle with an eating disorder. So I'm struggling with this. So. And you can kind of go to that as a resource. And I've had a lot of amazing women who have stepped up to talk about their journeys. I mean, I've had Aaron's wife, Bella on. She was a great guest just to talk about all of her knowledge with labor and delivery and our mutual having kids.

[Steve Dace]

She's in her mom era now, but she's a nurse.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes. And so even, you know, not so serious episodes Like, I just did an episode about homeschooling and talking to a close friend of mine, Rebecca, about her journey. I have, who a lot of people in the Blaze will know. Jill Savage. That's my next guest. I actually reached out to Todd's daughter, Ainsley. That's going to be another one of my guests. So it's. It's really just fully women, woman focused to say, listen, these are issues that the devil tries to get us at, and the devil likes to make us feel alone in those issues so that we don't, you know, turn to a friend, turn to a mom, turn to a grandma, turn to our pastor, et cetera. And it can be this era where a lot of youth groups aren't handling these situations very well. And I even dealt with that myself, where a lot of us were going to these youth groups, like, hey, I'm dealing with this issue. You know, what does Jesus say about it? Well, we're in this Bible study. Like, that's not really what we're talking about, or that's too deep, or that's too inappropriate to talk about as a group. But if I'm dealing with it or I'm hearing my friends dealing with it, you know, and Jesus obviously speaks about every single topic that we could possibly, you know, need. It's like, this isn't inappropriate. This is where the devil's coming at me. You know, how do I combat that? But also, just hearing women having a blunt conversation like, this sucks. And. Or what did you deal with this? So that's kind of where the inspiration really came from.

[Steve Dace]

What has been the most surprising? How many episodes have you done so far?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Six episodes. My next with Joe will be my seventh.

[Steve Dace]

What's been the most surprising reaction you've gotten so far, would you say?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

I think I've had some people say that I shouldn't be so open with things that I've dealt with. I've come out, like, and talked about sexual assault and my. My own history and everything. And, I mean, I met my own sister, came and talked about her eating disorders. And I've had episodes where I talk about a lot about my past. And so I've had a lot of people come out and be like, that's too open. That's too much. And that's the whole point of the podcast is, you know, I never divulge other people's, you know, history. Every time before I have a guest on, I send them the questions because it can get really real and it can get really serious. And so I've given every single guest that, that opportunity to push back if they're, you know, if it is too open. But the podcast point is to be that open because like I said before, the devil likes to make us feel alone. And that's his whole point is he wants us to make. He wants to make us feel.

[Steve Dace]

Nobody else is struggling with what you are. Nobody else is thinking the way you are.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes. And so that's the, that's the whole point is it's when other women are like, wow, this is a lot. I can't believe you're talking about things that you've dealt with in the past, but that's how I'm overcoming it. And testimony is one of the biggest, the biggest, you know, tools that we can use as Christians to help not only gain people to our side, but gain people and, and helping them through those issues. Because I never had anything like that growing up. A podcast to listen to or other women's open conversations to listen to when I was dealing with these things. And every single guest I've had has said the same thing. If I had had a podcast to listen to when I was struggling through this, even just to know that I wasn't alone alone, my life and the decisions I made would be different.

[Steve Dace]

I wonder if that is particularly significant for women. I mean, I've said this to men I've spoken to around the country for years, and, and that's why I've also been so open throughout my career with, with my own issues as well. Because you're not alone. Men want to fancy themselves, particularly men that are strong with their convictions, that they are willing to stem the tide. And, and that's great. And, and we all. And you probably are to a point, but eventually, if, if you, you feel isolated, you'll get worn down and broken down as well. But I think, you know, for women, you guys are not singularly, but primarily relational creatures. We are too, but we are primarily driven by significance more than relationship as men. So I think this might be even more important for you guys as women, women, this level of openness and honesty. Because if, if for women, what's it like if you feel disconnected relationally from other women? How much harder is that for you to, to confront and, and overcome your own issues?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Well, and I think one of the, the main problems, especially when I was younger and I was dealing with a lot of these issues, was a lot of my friends were encouraging me to actually go out and do these things, you know, to have, you know, promiscuous sex or to meet random, random people or, you know, a lot of my friends were, you know, starving themselves or things like that. And so it's like, so you were.

[Steve Dace]

In the theater community here in town because you're very gifted in that area.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

And that's an episode I talk about as well.

[Steve Dace]

But that also introduced you to people of different belief systems at the same time.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

And when I didn't have that community, you know, where our church was failing in that sense of, you know, not discussing those issues because they didn't want to be too much, well, then you only have one option, which is to turn to your friends. And with the friends that I had, you know, and I wasn't as strong in my faith because my church wasn't preparing me to have these conversations. You know, I talk about in one of the episodes when you taught my worldview class at the homeschool co op we went to. And a lot of the, you know, kids answers for things were, well, I'm just going to talk about the Bible with them. I'm just going to share the Bible with them. And then you would say, well, what happens when that doesn't work? And it was like there was nothing, Nothing. You know, and.

[Steve Dace]

Because that gets an incantation.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes, because that's. But that's what their youth groups were preparing them for. Just go out and talk about the Bible with your friends and everything will happen and everything will go down. And that's not what happens. And you get extremely beat down to the point where I was being encouraged to do, you know, horrible things because I didn't have that background from the church or that relational aspect of a podcast like this one to listen to, to be like, okay, wow, I'm struggling with that too. Maybe I'm not as crazy as I think, or maybe I'm not as turned over to this because you can feel like that as well.

[Steve Dace]

All right, how can people tune into it?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yeah, so you can go to YouTube @LetstalkPodcast, or you can go to my X account. Let's Anastasia underscore Hibbs as well. And it's on Spotify Rumble at the same. Let's talk podcast.

[Steve Dace]

All right, we'll have a few more minutes with Anastasia here in just a moment. This is the Glenn Beck program.

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[Steve Dace]

All right, back here one final time with my oldest daughter Anastasia Hibbs. I'm still getting used to that. I really like my son in law, just not used to the head. 20 years with the name one way. Still getting used to it being another name. Okay, so Anastasia Ibs I got a question for you sweetie that I know a lot of people are probably wondering.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

All right, all right.

[Steve Dace]

Given the sensitive nature of the issues you're talking about, but also the fact that your dad is somewhat of a public figure. Okay. Do you have any concerns or anything about that? I've never addressed anything. I trust you and I want you to use your testimony to help other people the way that I've used mine. But it would be obvious if I didn't know the two of us and just heard this, I'd probably be wondering, well, you're a little concerned about any of this, you know, with who your dad is and those kinds of things. So how would you answer that?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

No, I, I'm not, I don't think I have any concerns for, I think for a really long time I, I've been through a lot in my past and I have a lot of friends who have also. And so, so for a really long time I had considered writing a book but I'm so much better well spoken than writing. You know, there was so much information. So no, I wouldn't say I'm concerned at all. I think the important part is, is being brave and, and having courage from what I've been through and what I'm even still working through to this day to help women or moms or grandmas, you know, have these conversations with their daughters or, or whoever. So I don't think I have any concerns turn over it.

[Steve Dace]

As your dad, I don't either. Because, you know, I want you to have your own life and you have your own walk now and you have your own testimony now and you have your own family now. And I wouldn't be much of a dad if I didn't want you to take full advantage of that and did my best to raise you to be prepared for it. So I'm very proud of what you are doing and that's why I wanted to make sure to give you a free plug here, uncle. And show how can people tune in again if they want, particularly young women. But also, I think you made a great point point. Mothers and grandmothers that want to know what's going on.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

With, with their granddaughters and daughters. I think that's a. That's a great target audience as well. So how can they find it?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

And I think it's great also for them to listen together too, if they have that kind of relationship as well. But X, Anastasia, underscore, Hibs and then Spotify, Rumble, YouTube, you can find me at let's Talk Podcast.

[Steve Dace]

And then Anastasia, just like you think it is. And the underscore. Gotta have the underscore there.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Yes, yes.

[Steve Dace]

And how many, how many more episodes of this you get to do, do you think?

[Anastasia Hibbs]

I think it's. I honestly don't have a plan. I think it's. Until, you know, God calls me to something else or, you know, I don't think women will ever run out of dealing with their issues and people don't.

[Steve Dace]

We don't run out of problems.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

None of us do, you know, But I mean, and also one of my main things was leaving this for my daughter, Autumn. Also. I want her to be brave in things that she faces, but also know that her mom has dealt with things and that she can come to her mom to talk about these things as well. Well, so I think, honestly, probably until maybe Autumn's older or whatever works.

[Steve Dace]

So very proud of you, sweetie.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Thank you.

[Steve Dace]

You know, you're my princess and I love the fact that you are now doing what you can to help other people with the. The things that God has showed you. And all you can ask for as a parent is that you see your kids have an opportunity to exceed you and maybe make their own mistakes rather than the same ones that you do. Did. So I think we're probably two for two in that area. So congratulations again today with a new house.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Thank you.

[Steve Dace]

It's a Big day.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Thank you. I appreciate it. We're excited. We're really excited.

[Steve Dace]

I'm excited, too. I know you're only moving like a half an hour away, but it feels like you're moving like across the country.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

It does feel like that. I told Steve, I mean, our, our.

[Steve Dace]

Our family has not spent a lot of time apart from one another.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

I've never been more than 15 minutes away from you guys.

[Steve Dace]

So it does feel like you are going to need a passport. Thank you, sweetie. Congrats.

[Anastasia Hibbs]

Thank you.

[Steve Dace]

All right. Hour three is next. Congressman Thomas Massie on the speaker vote is going to join us here. Stay tuned. The GLENN BECK program welcome to the fusion of entertainment and enlightenment. This is the GLENN BECK program. All right, back here with our third and final hour on the Glenn Becky. Welcome to the Tech program. I'm Steve Dase filling in for Glenn. We are on the brink of the first big political fight of 2025. Who will be the next speaker of the House? The vote here is in the next couple of hours. Congressman Thomas Massie is the lone public voice to say no to Mike Johnson. He'll be joining us here soon. Stay tuned.

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[Unknown Speaker]

Foreign.

[Steve Dace]

Beck program Happy New Year to all of you. Steve Dace here filling in for Glenn. Normally, I'm noon to 2 Eastern right after the hall of Famer here on the blazed. I return to that time slot on Monday, filling in for Glenn here today, joined now by Congressman Thomas Massie from Kentucky, a guy I genuinely like a lot and have even more respect for. And he joins us now here on the program. And Congressman, happy New Year to you. Thanks for joining us today.

[Unknown Speaker]

Happy New Year. We're about to kick it off here today in Congress.

[Steve Dace]

So I want to begin with just the obvious question. Congressman Massie, so far, you're the only public voice in the, in the House to come out and say they will not vote for Mike Johnson for speaker. Let's start with why. Why are you making that pledge here today in advance of the vote later today?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, you know, in case people weren't noticing, while Trump was out campaigning on an America first agenda, Mike Johnson has spent the last 18 months passing through Congress, shoving it through an America Last agenda. He authorized spying on Americans without a Warrant. He sent $60 billion to Ukraine. These are not the things that Trump ran on. Why do we think he's going to suddenly be different when the new Congress happens? Now, if you needed a recent example or reason why I'm voting no, just look back to the week before Christmas where we got the Christmas omnibus. I put on my social media video of Mike Johnson saying we would never do a Christmas omnibus again. But he rolls out this 1547 page bill. I suppose he didn't show it to Trump, but these are the laws that Trump will be operating under when he gets in office because we just passed them. And fortunately, Trump said don't pass that. And a lot of us wouldn't vote for it either. So that went down. And then Mike Johnson didn't have the courage to tell Donald Trump he couldn't get a clean debt limit increase across the finish line. So what did he do? He drug us all through that where we all looked bad. He put a clean debt limit increase on the floor right before Christmas, attached it to funding the government. So you'd be blamed for shutting down the government if you didn't vote for the debt limit that fell flat, forcing, you know, 38 Republicans to vote against what was, you know, something the president wanted. But Mike Johnson didn't have the courage or the charisma to get to tell President Trump it couldn't be done or to get it across the finish line here in Congress by guaranteeing the spending cuts to go along with the debt limit increase. Any case, he's not qualified. He's not the right, right ideology. And we've seen this play before. Eight years ago to this day, on January 3rd, we elected Paul Ryan as Speaker Donald Trump had endorsed Paul Ryan. I was the only Republican who stood up that day and voted against Paul Ryan. I said, this is going to be a disaster. Turned out to be a disaster. Paul Ryan worked against Donald Trump and is still working against Donald Trump. Trump.

[Steve Dace]

Why do you think President Trump has therefore nevertheless endorsed Mike Johnson? If I had to guess, he would say, if he were here, Congressman, he would say, the last time we went through this, you guys took nearly a month to find a speaker. I don't have that kind of time to waste. We've got to hit the ground running right away on fulfilling this mandate. And I don't believe there's somebody else out there you can demonstrate is better. They can get the 218 votes necessary to succeed. So it's just, it is what it is. My guess is that's what the President would say. How would you respond to that?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, if he doesn't get the 218 votes on this first round, he's definitely not the guy who can get to 218 and not the only guy who can get to 20. 218. Let's remember why Mike Johnson got elected at the end of all those votes back when they got rid of Kevin McCarthy. He got elected because he had done nothing and because he had served in no form of leadership. And so nobody knew anything about him. We had voter fatigue and nobody disliked him. So he was the least objectionable person in the House of Republican, in the House of Representatives, everybody liked Mike. That is not the case today. He's one of the most objectionable candidates. So he doesn't hold the title of least objectionable. That got him elected back in, I think it was October of last year. Let's find somebody who can at least do the job. The best thing that could happen is if the Freedom Caucus guys who are on the bubble right now, they haven't said they're going to vote for him or haven't said if they're going to vote again him. If they could get off the pot, they could make up their minds and then Mike Johnson could read the tea leaves, Donald Trump could read the tea leaves and Mike Johnson wouldn't even have to be on the ballot in the first round. But he what's going to happen is they're going to drag us through this and it's going to be at about 1:00 Eastern Standard Time is when that vote will start, roughly that's when it started two years ago. And if he's got the votes, he's going to be the speaker. If he doesn't, well, it's the people who wouldn't, who try to surprise us all today, who you're gonna have to look to and say, why? Why couldn't you make up your mind the day before? Or why couldn't you make up your mind before Christmas like Massey did?

[Steve Dace]

Who do you think is demonstrably better than Mike Johnson? Who could get to 218 and not have it take three weeks? Is this something you guys would stay through the weekend and not go home until you figure that out? If he. If Mike Johnson were to not be retained, how would that work itself out?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, absolutely. We can actually get it done this evening. Okay. There are at least three qualified candidates. I would. There are a number more that I would vote for. We would stay here either this evening and get it done by tonight, or we would stay here through the weekend. I'm not going anywhere. I have plans to stay here this weekend. We're going to be right back here on Monday. And it only takes, you know, we voted 15 times for, I think, McCarthy, or 20 times, whatever it was, 15. It only takes about an hour to go through the roll call. Let's put another candidate up as soon as Mike Johnson goes down, if he goes down, and let's get this thing done. Now, I know everybody wants me to name a person. Here's the problem with naming a person. I. First of all, I'm the only one who says I'm going to vote against Mike Johnson. So I'm the lightning rod and a Persona non grata among a world of people who thinks that Congress works for the President, Congress works with the President. Given that I'm a lightning rod, I don't want to transfer that lightning to a candidate and then they'll be Persona non grata and be disqualified by virtue of me calling their name right here on your radio show. So I have. Have a name in mind. I have actually three in mind, and I'll just. I'll cycle through them as we go through these series of votes, and we'll see who gets the votes. But it's ridiculous to say that Mike Johnson, out of 219 Republicans, is the only one who can be elected to speaker. And that's why we should elect him.

[Steve Dace]

Thomas, I was talking about this before you came on. You can always tell when I'm not sure about something. I don't comment on it or take a strong stand. Okay. And on this one, I can see this both ways. I mean, I don't know how anyone can objectively not come to the conclusion Mike Johnson has been a weak speaker, a weak leader. I don't, I mean, I think you'd have to be a member of the Johnson family to come to any other conclusion or on his payroll. The question is, what is, what is the process for his successor, given how divided and narrow the majority is in the House to begin with? The reality is, you know, somebody like you or Chip Roy, that a lot of our listeners would love, love as speaker, could not get to 2:18 because of some of the other kinds of elements that exist within the Republican Party. So who could actually get to 218 that could be trusted to enact Trump's mandate and agenda? And while I don't trust Mike Johnson to enact it, the argument is he is so weak and desirous and needing of Trump's, you know, power to retain his own, he'll do essentially anything Donald Trump, Trump tells him. So let's just get on with it. How would you counter that argument?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, first of all, as I said before, Congress doesn't work for the president. We work with the president. And if you think you can get a weak speaker and put it in neutral and just have a speaker who rubber stamps or follows whatever the president wants, you're actually not going to get the president's agenda. The swamp is alive and well in the halls of Congress. You need a fighter who is going to fight for President Trump's agenda in the Senate and in the House. House. Mike Johnson is not a fighter. He has never fought in his life. And he's with the first sign of trouble. He runs the Democrats right now. He's going through a job interview. It's kind of interesting. He is talking to the people who are undecided, and if he has the skills to bring them on board, to negotiate with them. You know, Chip Roy, Victoria Sparks, a lot of the Freedom Caucus members, Andy Harris, Andy Big, those folks are talking to Mike Johnson right now. I consider it a job interview. If Mike Johnson has the skills to bring them on board, to bend a little bit to the conservative wing that are closest to Trump, then maybe he could be speaker. But if he fails to bring them on board, he won't be speaker. And it'll, it's actually a good litmus test for him what he's going through right now.

[Steve Dace]

Final question, Congressman, I think you just need one other member to join you, right? For the chair to be vacated when they take the vote here in about two hours, what do you suspect is going to happen?

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, I don't Know, I'd say there's a, I honestly the way the swamp works, I never bet against the swamp. I always fight against it, but I never bet against it. I'd say there's a 70% chance Mike Johnson is going to be speaker, that everybody but me will eventually vote for him, even though they know he's the wrong guy guy, because that's just the way the swamp works. But if he, if one more person joins me, I think that will embolden half a dozen more. And I think the second round he loses more votes. The third round he loses more votes. President Trump calls him up as Mike, I thought you were the guy. Turns out you're not the guy. Step out of the way. And I think Mike will keep trying until Trump tells him to give up. And at that point, hopefully, you know, I joke, I say they're gonna be my colleagues are gonna step on each other's backs trying to get to the top of the heap once Mike Johnson pulls out of the race. And that's how it would go down. And there, there are qualified candidates. I think you need somebody who's already got a staff of 50 people. This is why it would be hard for me to do the job. I've got like six people that work for any in D.C. this was Mike Johnson's problem when he went into the job. He, he hadn't been majority leader, he hadn't been whip, he hadn't been a chairman. So he didn't have a cadre of 50 staff who were battle tested. So I think given the situation we're in, that's the kind of person you need to get somebody who's already, they're not swampy, but they've got enough time and experience and staff here to get the job done.

[Steve Dace]

Congressman Thomas Massie, Always good to talk to you, brother. Thank you. Take care.

[Unknown Speaker]

Thanks, Dave. Steve, Bye bye.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. We'll come back and discuss our thoughts and what we just heard from the Congressman in the case that he made for vacating the chair next.

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[Steve Dace]

Back here on the Glenn Beck program, Steve Dacey here filling in for Glenn Beck. All right, Todders and Aaron McIntyre, you guys sat there and heard me discuss with Congressman Thomas Massie why he is so far the only vote to vacate the chair and not have Mike Johnson remain speaker and is hoping others will join him. I went into this undecided. All right, so let's pretend you guys are members of the House Freedom Caucus. You're undecided yourselves. After you listen to Thomas Massie, you now think, what? But Aaron, I'll start with you.

[Thomas Massie]

I would probably vote for Mike Johnson and here's why. This is just a systemic problem, not only in Congress as a whole, but on the Republican side of the aisle in Congress. It is such a cesspit there. I'm kind of viewing this, viewing all of the machinations and the, all the political machinery, I'm kind of viewing that how I view foreign policy. I'm not going to be super dogmatic about it because this is, this is a problem generations in the making.

[Steve Dace]

Yes.

[Thomas Massie]

You look over at the Democrat side of the aisle, look over there. Are any of them, do you think for a moment any of them will vote for who, whomever they put up that's to the right of Bernie Sanders? No, they're all in lockstep right now. Republicans, not so much. That's a generational problem. So five years ago, I would have been dogmatically right behind Thomas Massie and Chip Roy and in the House Freedom Caucus. Let's just blow this thing up. What do we got to lose now? I'm like, hey, if you want to, if you want to throw, you know, a sabot into the machinery, if you want to be a saboteur here and try to make enough noise to affect change for a positive direction, I'm not going to criticize you for that. But at the same time, I'm reading, I'm reading the writing on the wall here and it's just a really difficult situation. If I was even Trump, I don't know what I would, what I would be pulling for here. Let's just get a Congress together and see what we can do that. That's probably where I would be at because Congress is broken. I think you have to start your analysis with that. Congress is just broken. So do the best that you can, shoot for what you can shoot for if you can, and try to try to vest as much unity out of the Republican side of the aisle as possible. Just know knowing that over on the other side, their unity is just titanium, tough and strong. So do I love Mike Johnson? Do I think he's a strong leader? No, I'm just, I'm analyzing things the way they are, not the way I would like them to be.

[Todd Erzin]

All right, Todd would say you, I understand that take. I have a different take. I'm with Massie. You need a fighter and Trump should understand that by now. The guy and I think you frame the question excellently, Steve, that he stands for nothing. He just. So he'll just do what Trump ever Trump tells him to do. No, he want because of the swamp and the power that it has. You absolutely need a fighter. And Trump is, he very rarely admits his faults. He admitted he did not get personnel right the first time around. It's obvious he's getting it right this time. People are excited. And that's the other point. You don't just need a fighter in there. You need the people who respect the fighter and then we'll back him up instead of just saying, oh, these guys are all just empty suits. No one's going to come to Mike Johnson's defense. But if you put an RFK junior in there, a Pete Hegseth, people like this people are like, ah, our people. I got your back on this. Go to the wall for that person. Donald Trump needs to get in the game on that level and find out who that person is.

[Steve Dace]

Todd, say something there that persuade you at all, Aaron?

[Thomas Massie]

No, because again, I'm looking at this. I would like, I would like that to be the case. I don't see who the figure is who could do that right now. I just don't. And maybe, maybe one will come up. I mean, Thomas Massie said he's got a name in mind that he would like to put up for a vote for speaker. Maybe, you know, I could be persuaded. But based on the available evidence I have right now, you're not going to fix a generational problem overnight. I don't know how many times this needs to be illustrated. It's again a generational and systemic problem on the right. And it Goes back to how we behave during different congressional primaries. Do our people actually show up for more Thomas Massey's from Morehouse Freedom Caucus people? They don't, generally speaking. And so that's a generational and systemic problem that has to be fixed, I believe, first before we can even have some of the conversations that you would like to have.

[Steve Dace]

What do you think?

[Todd Erzin]

Well, I don't know who that person is either, but we haven't heard Donald Trump just say I, this is who I want and get outside the box like he did this time. And it clearly worked. It excited people, including going the speaker of the House can be somebody who's not even in the House. I just want to say I, I want to go all in. I want to go big or I want to go home. Because the way we're doing things just sucks.

[Steve Dace]

I got to tell you, I, I think you both make compelling arguments and the reason why is because you are both speaking to the reality of the situation that we are in. Todd is correct. We do need a strong hand as speaker. Aaron is correct systemically. When has this hand. I mean Aaron was born in 1993. A year later is when Newt Gingrich became Speaker 1 the speakership in the Contract with America election. And, and, and then those first six months of 95 as they ramroded that contract through and worked all hours of the day, that's really the last time that we had a on the right. A truly active, aggressive, initiative taking speaker of the House. That's the last time. So you know, you and I are operating from a framework that we can remember that we were just coming of age politically during that era. In fact, that was one of the seminal moments of you and I's generation politically right.

[Todd Erzin]

Yes.

[Steve Dace]

Aaron's never lived in that ecosystem on the right. Can't recall that. And there's evidence for both of your positions, man, it's a very tough call. More in a moment.

[Aaron McIntyre]

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[Thomas Massie]

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[Steve Dace]

All right, Steve Dase back here filling in on the Glenn Becky program. We ran into time there. I guess I can't be gutless. So after listening to Congressman Thomas Massie and listening to Aaron McIntyre and Todders and the two of you each taking opposite views for all the reasons I came into the conversation with Massie not knowing my own, because I agree with the both of you simultaneously. And I think your rationales are have a strong basis in evidence and Fact act, which is why this is such a tough, such a tough call for me. So then what would I do if I were in Congress today? What would I do? Ultimately, whether Trump's mandate gets fulfilled or not is up to Donald Trump. The truth of the matter is DC Sucks so bad if you go back and just look at his first presidency. Why is it the stuff that Trump could unilaterally, largely unilaterally act on, executive orders, foreign policy, why were those the greatest successes of his first term and the stuff that required much more congressional involvement were the things that were left unfulfilled. Same thing is largely going to exist here, even though the names are different than the first time Trump was president. But you're dealing with a way narrow margin margin in the house. Mitch McConnell is not glitching out anymore as Senate majority leader. But now you have John Thune, who's a younger, dumber version of McConnell. So basically you're going to get none of this, all the stuff about McConnell you didn't like and then none of this stuff you actually kind of admired. Okay, so this is all on the ample shoulders of Donald Trump. Nothing, nothing good out of D.C. nothing, nothing good will come out of D.C. without Donald Trump having his thumb on the scale. Do we all at least agree on that?

[Todd Erzin]

Right.

[Steve Dace]

In many respects, Donald Trump is going to be speaker of the House, whether the name is Mike Johnson, your Johnson, Johnsonville sausage, whoever is the name on the. The. The. The. The marquee. Without the Donald Trump exerting the amount of leverage that he has with the mandate and the people behind him this first year, nothing is happening. We. Can we all agree on that? That.

[Todd Erzin]

Yeah. Because even if we do have a strong speaker of the kind I'm talking about, he can't do anything that he wants to get done if it runs.

[Steve Dace]

Because the margins are too low. Right. So then here's what I would do. Before we voted, I would want to have a direct con. If I were in Congress before we voted, I'd have a direct conversation with the president, and I would say, Mr. President, ultimately this party sucks. And you know this and I know this. A lot of the people that are up here aren't really for you. You know this and I know this. But they're afraid of you and your base. So nothing good is going to happen unless you do it. So I need you to tell me. Because Mike Johnson is a chronically weak leader. Demonstrated, however, as Aaron pointed out, he's also a hydra. Part of a system man. From Vayner to Ryan, we've seen Denny Hastert. Okay? We've seen this all before, many times. So the only. I'd say, Mr. President, the only uncommon denominator here, sir, is you. So if you want me to vote for Mike Johnson, here's what I need from you. I need your assurance that your thumb is so far up his backside that he cannot take a breath into his diaphragm without your consent. He literally cannot breathe. He is just a puppet on a string, a complete and total puppet on your behalf. And you are the marionette. You're the Svengali here. And at the minute some strings break off and the puppet's not any good anymore, you'll break him off and put in a better puppet, because that's the best we can do here. But I need you. I need to hear from you that you understand fully. That's who this guy is. You understand fully because whatever BSC selling you at UFC fights and everything else, when he's trying to hang out with the cool kids for the first time in his life. It's just that it's all bs. Yes. But you, sir, you have got some belief and faith in. And that's where the people, more importantly, have placed their faith, is in you. So this is all on you now. And you know that. That's why they tried to kill you twice. They know it, too. So I need to know that this is the vehicle that you went to the lot and you chose this vehicle and you're the one driving it. I need to know that. And if you tell me that you, you know that this is all true and that you agree with what I said, then you have my vote. You have my vote. This guy doesn't. This guy's got nothing. But that's what I think I would need, is I'd have to talk to him directly and make sure we're all adults here and in full acknowledgement of what the real situation is. And if I was satisfied with that, that conversation, then I would vote for Johnson out of deference to Trump and his mandate. But I'd need to have that conversation first. All right. When we come back, there is a secret ingredient to our side winning elections that you need to know more about. We'll tell you about it here next.

[Robert Salvador]

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[Steve Dace]

So today we have talked worldview, big picture philosophy. We've gotten into the big policy fights as well as the big personnel fight today with the speaker vote about an hour and a half from right now with Congressman Thomas Massie. Earlier here in this hour. Let's get way more practical, though, because before we can act on that worldview and, and before we could even have fights like who should be speaker, we've got to actually win elections. And there's a practical aspect of that as well, particularly in this new digital era. I've made the analogy before that if you see Trump as a figure is very Lutheran. I mean, the similarities in terms of Persona between Martin Luther and Donald Trump are pretty prevalent. Well, there would have never been a Martin Luther in a Reformation without Johannes Gutenberg in the printing press. And that innovation is what allowed Luther's message to get to the masses when previous would be reformers got burned at the stake. Similarly, there's no Trump 2.0 without Elon Musk and X never happens does not get reelected without Musk providing the a tool of objective dissemination of information in the information war and the biggest one on planet Earth, which is why you see them already trying to undo that relationship as we speak because of the power of what it produced in its nascent stages in this last election. And that gets us to what can we do down here in the grassroots? A buddy of mine, Robert Salvador, has a company, Polytech, I want to tell you about because I've seen it go to work in this last election cycle in a state legislative race in my own state school board races across the country, other state legislative races, congressional races like earlier this year or last year year for Congressman Thomas Massie as well. Because what you guys do over there, Robert, this is the kind of big dollar data that frankly a lot of grassroots candidates cannot afford and, and cannot get access to. And yet even in state legislative races, Democrats are going to make it available to their people to bludgeon ours with. You're trying to do something about that?

[I]

Absolutely. Well, it's great to be back with you, Steve. And yeah, you know, one of the things I've always said is that Republicans win on policy, but we lose on media and technology and the things that get out the vote. And Democrats have had a deep and strong tech apparatus since 2008 when Barack Obama implemented it. And one of the things you said to me, even in the Republican Party, one of the reasons that everyday people, everyday American patriots, you know, blue collar people, the people who should lead us, one of the reasons they don't win often is because the rhinos in the party control all of the data, control all of tools, all of the media, all of the technology that makes it impossible for someone without a political background or major backing to win. But with advances in modern AI and data analytics, now even the little guy can have a chance. There is data on everyone out there. We've seen it for years. That that big tech will show you your favorite shirt every time you scroll on Instagram or LinkedIn or something like that. That's targeted advertising. And that's because everyone creates a bunch of data. Data is the new oil. And if we can utilize it as a party, we can get the right people elected as opposed to the far left and the Rhinos who have really gotten us to where we are right now.

[Steve Dace]

Talk about some of the successes, Robert, that your group has had with using this data on a grassroots level. And I mean, I think of how this could help groups like Moms for Liberty that are trying to impact school boards nationwide. But in terms of revenue, those are herculean fundraising chores. If you can perfect this data and make it more available to the grassroots, I mean, you're making it way more cost effective and less prohibitive to truly take on swamps all over the country.

[I]

Exactly. We always say that the three things that make a winning campaign are a good candidate, a good door knocking and get out and vote apparatus, and then a good digital game. Especially in the local races. Name recognition means so much. And if you can use data to figure out who are the right people that should be voting for you, who are the people that you want to get your message to? What is the message that matters to them? Them hitting them with the right message at the right time every time is so important. I can give an example. Obviously, someone that we both know starting in Kentucky was TJ Roberts. He is up and coming lawyer, great legal mind, America First Patriot. He was running in the primary against someone who was a big time Rhino who had previously held that seat that he was running for. There was a bigger problem in that, the broader seat, the broader district. District is Thomas Massey's district, who's obviously ultra popular, who was just on your show. Well, the guy that our candidate was running against locally was a man named Ed Massie. So at the same last name as Thomas Massie. But he was not the good guy like Thomas Massey is. So for a good America first patriot like T.J. roberts, that can be a problem if you can't get your name out there. TJ was smart enough to utilize digital services, utilize data, figure out who are the people in his district he needs to speak to. What does his district care about? And he was able to see that in the data. He was a great candidate himself. And then he hit all the doors in addition to utilizing our data services like we have at Polytech. So we were able to get him in front of all of his possible constituents, get the right messages out there. When we first met TJ Roberts, he was losing 60 days later, he won his election 75% to 25%. So that goes to show the power of this technology when it's used the right way. And if Republicans start stacking wins with technology, we could have 10 years of America First Patriots winning elections. And that's what this country needs.

[Steve Dace]

And there's only so much to go around. So obviously a lot of this on the right is going to be focused on higher offices like president and things of that nature, which of course makes that a much a higher value proposition and cost prohibitive for most people. But if you can bring it an alternative down here to the grassroots. One of my best buddies, I saw your group just help him win a state senate seat over the highest ranked Democrat in my state, who in the legislature, who is up for reelection this year. And he beat him. Just a guy that owns a plumbing business, man, great guy, but he's up against the Democratic machine and he beat him by like 50 votes after a recount. Right. So. So this could, is it safe to say, Robert? I mean, we could literally have all kinds of people in audiences like this in the past who thought I couldn't run for city council, couldn't run for state legislature, I couldn't run for school board, I don't have the name ID or the finances. This could really, this technology really level the playing field for an audience like this.

[I]

Absolutely. You gave a great example with Mike pike in the Iowa state Senate. You know, he's a plumber, he's an everyday blue collar guy, you know, father of daughters and just felt called to get involved because of what he was seeing and some of the terrible things like men and women's sports that he was seeing. And to your point, the Democrats, the Iowa Democrats, put big resources into that race, big money into that race. But when you have technology that can really highlight the good people, not just highlight, hey, I have more money as a candidate, but highlight the things that voters care about, it can make a big difference. And Mike pike won by 43 votes over what many in the Democratic Party of Iowa thought was a promising incumbent who would have a long future. And so that blueprint can be taken all around the country. You mentioned Mobs for Liberty. We run school board races, we run congressional races. We even helped the Miami Dade sheriff, Sheriff Rosie Cordero Stutz down in Miami Dade. So the point is, some of the most important decisions in people's lives are made at the local level. I mean, you look back to Covid, in many cases it was the local ordinances and the local police who were deciding if they were going to enforce those horrible Covid mandates. So if we can take this technology around the country and help people who actually deserve to win elections, it's going to make a difference for America. You could look at the smallest levels at these local races like we've been talking about, or even at the presidential race. Donald Trump at the highest level did all of this very well. He was a great candidate with a huge voice this cycle. He had a massive get out and vote operation. Groups like the Pallet Chase and Cliff Maloney, who we worked with in Pennsylvania. And then obviously, as everyone knows, Trump had probably the best digital game we've ever seen. One of the most impressive venture capitalists out there, Marc Andreessen, was on the Joe Rogan show not too long ago and basically said that the next election will probably be the first all digital election. He said that this one might have been like the first spark of it. But in the future, we will have elections won purely by digital means by putting out the right ads, the right emails, the right Facebook messages, the right influencers that you work with, the right having the data to put the right commercial in the right place. So this can really make a difference for the Republican Party and for America and taking back our country that the Democrats have taken for the last 10, 15 years.

[Steve Dace]

Robert, I've got less than a minute here. People want to learn more about what you guys do. Where can they go?

[I]

Sure. You could follow us on Twitter, follow me at Robert J. Salvador, or you could Visit us online. Republic.com Polytech that's Republic.com Poli let's save America together.

[Steve Dace]

Amen. Good to see you, brother.

[I]

So much, Steve, and everything that you do.

[Steve Dace]

You bet. Appreciate all of you here at the Glenn Beck Program. Thanks for letting us fill in. We'll see you Monday on the blaze. Until then, Romans 8:28 the Glenn Beck program.