The Goal Digger Podcast: Episode 943

"What My Husband Sees That the Internet Never Will"

Host: Jenna Kutcher
Guest: Drew Kutcher
Date: December 29, 2025

Episode Overview

This heartfelt episode departs from the usual business strategy and marketing talk, as Jenna Kutcher welcomes her husband Drew back to the podcast for an intimate, honest, and sometimes playful conversation about their marriage, personal growth, and building a life that aligns with their values. It’s a rare, behind-the-scenes time capsule, designed for listeners and even for their daughters to someday hear “who mom and dad were in this stage of life.” Together, they discuss the joys and challenges of their current season, therapy, redefining roles, personal superpowers, and hopes for the future — all with candor and warmth.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life Snapshot: Returning to Simplicity

• Jenna and Drew reflect on the present stage of their life, deeply rooted in family, home, and simple joys.
  • Drew describes their “huge…finding ourselves again in the simple things,” mentioning their garden, chickens, bees, and outdoor living. (02:53)
  • They both agree on the fulfillment found in homegrown food, outdoor tasks, and slow-living, and how this has become the norm for their children.
  • Jenna notes the sense of nostalgia for Drew, who grew up with a garden, and the delight their kids take in these simple pleasures.
    • “Every time they talk about what they’re thankful for, it’s like, chickens, bees, garden, greenhouse. It’s so sweet.” (04:45, Jenna)

Private vs. Public Personas: What the Internet Doesn’t See

• Jenna and Drew explore the differences between Jenna’s public persona and her private self.
  • Drew insists the internet wouldn’t believe how introverted Jenna is or her need for “cave space.” (05:14)
    • “Sometimes you don’t leave the house, and you’re totally fine with it.” (05:20, Drew)
  • Jenna admits, “I absolutely, positively recharge alone,” and shares how difficult it can be when she needs that space while married to an extrovert like Drew.
  • Jenna also reveals Drew’s soft-hearted nature, saying, “Don’t let the muscles fool you…this man is so soft,” especially with their kids and animals. (06:38)

Deep Work: Therapy, Growth, and Modeling for Their Children

• Both share openly about personal and shared journeys in therapy.
  • Drew highlights the importance of “deep work” and self-examination, aiming to model emotional growth for their daughters. (07:37)
  • Jenna relates how women, especially mothers, don’t often model self-care or taking time for themselves — and how she wants her girls to see that it’s okay, aided by Drew’s support.
  • The couple discuss how therapy (individual and couples) has opened up new communication and healing in their marriage.
    • “Our therapist, Julia, has just been opening a lot of doors for me that I have always slammed shut and always shied away from.” (10:03, Drew)
    • Drew notes how, as a Midwestern man, therapy was a foreign and intimidating concept, but now feels excited to “pop the hood up” and explore his inner world. (12:15)
  • Jenna adds, “Not only are we working on growing together, but you’re also taking responsibility to grow on your own.” (11:19)

Roles, Marriage, and Evolving Partnership

• They reflect on how they’ve intentionally defined and adapted their roles.
  • Jenna’s proudest marriage milestone is defining roles that work for them, even if non-traditional, like Drew being a stay-at-home dad while she works. (15:16)
    • “We’ve just stayed super steadfast in terms of figuring out, like, how do we want to do this as a team…here’s what works for us, and we’re good with that.” (15:16, Jenna)
  • They candidly admit there are still dynamics to improve, especially around Drew stepping up to “co-lead” more, and Jenna releasing some control. (16:59–17:23)
  • They discuss “seven-year cycles” in life and business, entering a new phase with both daughters in school for the first time, and how it opens up opportunity for reinvention and rediscovery. (16:23–20:18)
    • “It’s a clean slate, babe. The clean slate.” (20:18, Drew)

Finding Fulfillment & What Lights Them Up

• Both discuss the value of their day-to-day joys and passions.
  • Drew shares his enthusiasm for brotherhood and deeper friendships, working on their land, gardening, fostering dogs, and embracing a simple lifestyle (20:42).
  • Jenna sees her superpower as intuition: “I have a really strong gut on me…I have this like, knowing and I think I’ve always had it.” (22:36)
  • Drew praises Jenna’s intuition while Jenna lauds Drew’s “invisible infrastructure” work keeping their life smoothly run and their home organized.
  • They describe their family as a well-oiled machine, operating with everyone having clear systems and roles (23:19–24:26).

Lessons to Their Younger Selves and Redefining Success

• Looking back and ahead, the couple offers advice to their 24-year-old selves and defies expectations of traditional success.
  • Drew: “Listen, whatever she says moving forward, just agree with it and it’s gonna work out. Don’t be afraid of the risk. Trust her.” (24:59)
  • Jenna: “It’s gonna be better than you imagine. You’re gonna make a lot of money, but it’s not gonna fix anything…the thing that will change your life the most is learning to pause and ask the harder questions...the biggest luxuries are convenience and choice.” (25:09–26:46)
  • They highlight the unique blessings of small-town living and reflect on how their choices have let them live a “big life with feet in a small town.” (27:00–27:44)

Dreams for the Future and Family Legacy

• They express hopes for future travel and deepening their daughters’ awareness.
  • Drew quietly wishes for extensive family travel as an education and core memory builder. (27:57)
  • Jenna wants to incorporate community service and activism into their family life so their kids can experience empathy, learn to give back, and become aware of the world.
  • They note how memories from travel are longer-lasting for their kids than material gifts, and talk about continuing social involvement, fostering animals, etc. (28:34–30:05)

Hopes for the Decade Ahead

• Where do they see themselves in 10 years?
  • Drew hopes he takes more of a lead in the family, and that Jenna can travel without guilt. (31:02)
  • Jenna imagines an expanded farm, more homegrown food, new animals (“maybe a goat…a mini cow”), and having confident and kind teenage daughters. (32:04–32:51)
  • Both wish to retain their ongoing self-growth, mutual respect, and gratitude for their life together. (33:02)
    • “I hope we’re still able to look at our flaws and work on ourselves. I hope we’re still as madly in love as we are now…I think that never leaves.” (33:02–33:29, Drew)

Everyday Highlights and Ordinary Joys

• The small, simple moments are what stand out as the highlights.
  • They laugh about sharing biohacking gadgets (e.g., Jenna’s vibration plate) and the family piling into bed together to start the day with creativity and connection. (34:43–35:50)
  • Hosting family and holidays, enjoying the company of friends and watching their children grow more independent all reinforce their gratitude for the present season.

Advice for Partners of Ambitious Women

• Drew’s perspective:
  • “I would say take a step back and be willing to let them…if they’re passionate, let them be the driver, let them take the wheel and fly. Don’t be the one that’s like ‘I don’t know if this is gonna work…’ Just trust that they know the right thing and be there to support them.” (38:34)
  • Jenna adds how powerful intuition can be for women, and how important it is to honor that in a partnership.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Simplicity:
  “I feel like it’s a huge...almost like finding ourselves again in the simple things...we are going back to roots and just finding out what works for us in the most simplest form. And I love it.” (02:53, Drew)

• On Private vs. Public Identity:
  "Sometimes you don't leave the house and you're totally fine with it. I need to get out and talk to people…where you're just like, ‘I got this. Yeah, I need to leave my home in the woods.’” (05:20, Drew)

• On Therapy and Growth:
  “Our therapist, Julia, has just been opening a lot of doors for me that I have always slammed shut…leaning into those tough conversations has been so pivotal and monumental.” (10:03, Drew)

  “It was really beautiful because it was kind of the bridge to, like, get to that place...not only are we working on growing together, but then you’re also taking responsibility to grow on your own.” (11:19, Jenna)

• On Defining Success:
  “You’re gonna make a lot of money, but it’s not gonna fix anything. I think the thing that will change your life the most is learning to pause and ask the harder questions.” (25:09, Jenna)

• On Roles in Marriage:
  "The non-traditional aspect of me home with the girls and you working, like, we just made that as a priority. That's just what we do. And whatever we got to do to keep that, maintain that...let's do those things more.” (16:23, Drew)

• Advice for Partners:
  “Take a step back and be willing to let them…if they’re passionate, let them be the driver, let them take the wheel and fly. Don’t be the one that’s like 'I don’t know if this is gonna work.' Just trust that they know the right thing and be there to support them.” (38:34, Drew)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:24: Drew’s snapshot of their life and return to simplicity
• 05:14: What the Internet would never believe about Jenna and Drew
• 07:37: Modeling emotional work and therapy for their kids
• 10:03 – 12:51: Drew’s experience beginning therapy, impact on marriage
• 15:16: Defining and owning roles in marriage
• 16:59 – 20:18: Challenges, cycles, transitions, and relationship growth
• 20:45: What’s lighting them up right now (friendship, animals, land)
• 21:53: Secret superpowers in the relationship
• 24:59 – 26:46: Advice to their newlywed selves, redefining wealth and success
• 27:57: Dreams for the future (travel, family culture)
• 31:02: Hopes for their relationship and family in 10 years
• 34:43: Small, ordinary joyful moments in their family
• 38:34: Advice for partners supporting ambitious women

Tone & Takeaway

This episode is warm, candid, and full of authentic, relatable moments. Jenna and Drew embrace vulnerability as they share honest stories about therapy, shifting gender roles, redefining success, and the importance of simple joys. Their conversation is both a celebration of how far they've come and an encouragement to listeners to grow, lead with intuition, and embrace life’s evolving seasons—together.

Listeners leave with reassurance that business and life success can coexist, that intentional partnership is possible, and that behind every “big dream” is often a series of small, purposeful choices made with love and self-awareness.