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943: What My Husband Sees That the Internet Never Will
00:42:34
With Drew Kutcher and Jenna Kutcher
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A
We felt like, all right, school's in session. What are we gonna do next? But it's not something that you can rush into. I'm learning. And that it's something that takes a little bit of time to figure out what we both and as a group need. Yeah, we'll get there.
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B
I'm Jenna Kutcher, and I help you trade hustle for purpose and build a business that gives you the life you actually want to live. From a $300 Craigslist camera to a seven figure business I run from home, I've learned that success isn't just about what you do. It's about how you live. Here you'll get strategies that work, systems that give you your time back, and steps that turn your effort into results and impact. If you're ready for clarity, confidence, and a business that feels as good as it looks, you're in the right place. This is the Goal Digger podcast.
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C
There are some conversations you have just because you need content, and then there are conversations you have because you want to remember. This is the second kind. My sweet husband Drew has not been on the show in literal years. And honestly, a lot of people have been asking me about him, which fair, because he's not in my content much anymore. And let me tell you, that's completely intentional. I mean, the man has been on a journey lately. He even deleted Instagram entirely. It's just not where we want to live. And trust me, he's really not missing much. I still show him all the cute puppy content. But here's the thing. Behind every big dream, every launch, every episode, every pivot, every season, every late night and early morning, there's been this guy. Quietly steady, annoyingly calm, perfectly clean, and always in my corner. And I don't think you've gotten to see that side of our life in a long time. So. So today, I'm pulling back the curtain, and I've got some really intentional questions that will let you into our real lives these days, not just the version you see on the Internet. We're gonna laugh, we're gonna get a little emotional. We're definitely gonna talk about therapy and hopefully create something our girls can listen to someday and know exactly who their mom and dad were in this stage of life. So consider this a time capsule for you, for them, for us, and let's have some fun. Welcome back to the show, babe. Ooh, I'm excited for this one.
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A
You got me back, babe. Here I am.
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C
It's actually been a few years since you've been on the Microphone. I actually just got a DM recently from somebody asking if we're still married.
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A
We definitely are still here. I am to prove it.
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C
All right. Okay. So we're going to do some fun questions today. I wanted to think of some really meaningful questions. So first, I want to just start with you describing this season of our life in a single snapshot. Like, what image comes to your mind about this stage of life that we're in?
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A
I feel like it's a huge. Almost like finding ourselves again in the simple things. Obviously. Jenna talks a lot about the garden and the chickens and the bees and just how we are going back to roots and just finding out what works for us in the most simplest form. And I love it.
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C
Yeah, I mean, that is, like, I feel like I have this scene in my head of Coco and I in the greenhouse watering things. You and Quinn in the garden with the chickens running around, like, and the dogs chasing on the perimeter. It's just the best.
- [03:26]
A
I never thought I would have chickens. And this is another you told me so kind of thing, but I feel like it's never been more natural for us at the same time. Like, I was so scared to go into it, but now I can't see us not having a garden and chickens.
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C
You're super cool. You're. I mean, like, you love the chickens.
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A
I feel like a farmer. I know I'm out there farming. I'm picking up chicken crap and grabbing their eggs, and I'm feeding them, and it's. It's honestly so fulfilling. And never thought I would do it, but here I am, and I absolutely am obsessed.
- [03:57]
C
Yeah, I know. It is kind of funny. I even remember when I had, like, my vision board with lots of chicken pictures. Like, probably too many chicken pictures, and it was a little over the top. You were hard to convince. But I guess this is for anybody on the fence, like, maybe have your partner listen to this, because chickens are amazing.
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A
They do poop a lot, but that's okay.
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C
Yeah, it doesn't matter. That's good compost. So, yeah, I think I feel like in this stage of life, I just really see our home. I see us outside. I see us just, like, enjoying the land and doing things we never imagined, and yet, like, we feel so much fulfillment and joy from them. And I think, too, one of my favorite things about this stage of life is that the kids are just going to be raised like this is their norm and that it's, like, so common to run out to the garden and grab food for dinner and to go Grab the eggs and like, just. I don't know, they just, they love it. Like, every time they talk about what they're thankful for, it's like, chickens, bees, garden, greenhouse. It's so sweet.
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A
I grew up with a garden at home too, so it's kind of nostalgic. And it's just like, it reminds you that you can grow your own food and you can live off of what you have and enjoy every second of it. Yeah.
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C
I mean, we're not totally living off of what we have, but we're not at all. We're on our way.
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A
1%.
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C
Okay, so what is something that you think the Internet would never believe about me?
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A
You are very introverted and you need your cave space.
- [05:19]
C
Cave space? What am I, a cave woman?
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A
Sometimes you don't leave the house and you're totally fine with it. I need to get out and talk to people and feel the energy where you're just like, I got this. Yeah, I need to leave my home in the woods.
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C
I know. I feel like people never believe that I'm an introvert, probably because I do things like this where I can talk and, like, show up and. And when I'm in person, I feel like I can really, like, be in other people's energy, but I absolutely, positively recharge alone. I think the hardest part of this stage of life is, like, I want alone time, which can feel hard when you're married to an extrovert.
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A
I also feel like you hate small talk, but if you find people that you can dig in on, it's such a different type of thing for you. Where you are. You don't like the minutiae. You want to get into the nitty gritty.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And that's huge for you.
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C
Yeah. I mean, I literally will see myself out of conversations so fast if they're talking about the weather or sports or things or sports, I like, I just can't. And I feel like life is so short, but, like, I could talk for hours about deep, deep soul level stuff, so it's interesting. And I think the Internet wouldn't know. Like, you are literally the biggest softie. I mean, honestly, it's something we're working on a little bit, but, like, I.
- [06:34]
A
Had to call in therapy to divorce, so it's, It's. It's a huge deal for me to figure that out.
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C
Well, and it's funny because I feel like we've been, like, putting pieces together for you, but, like, don't let the muscles fool you. Like, this man is so soft. It was so sweet. This morning, Coco comes prancing into our room at like 6am and she had created this beautiful little sticker drawing thing. And like, you were just so tender with her and excited and let her turn on the light to show you what she created. And, like, you have a great level of softness with you when it comes to kids, animals, humans, all the things. So I think people would maybe be surprised that under that buff exterior, there's just this soft little mushy heart.
- [07:15]
A
Too soft. I need to draw the line sometimes. And that's another thing we're working on in therapy.
- [07:19]
C
We're learning, we're working on boundaries. Okay, so what is a moment from this past year that you hope our girls hear about someday? Like, what is something you think of? I mean, they're young, so they're pretty perceptive, but, like, what's something you want to share with them or hope that they know about this stage of our lives from?
- [07:38]
A
I want them to know that we have been doing some deep work on ourselves, collectively and individually. And I think my parents never told me they did. Maybe they were, but I feel like the deep work on ourselves and just some self acknowledging of what we're capable of and not shying away from, you know, our weaknesses and things, but leaning into them more, I think is something that I would hopefully they enjoy about us. I think we're doing some in therapy, some really difficult conversations with ourselves, some investigations with ourselves. And I think it's awesome for them if, you know, it's gonna in turn help the whole family out. And I think it's good. Things that they would probably want to know about.
- [08:16]
C
Yeah, I mean, I think they'll feel it. I think the effects will be felt. Okay, we're gonna talk about therapy in a minute. Cause you keep bringing it up, but I feel like in the past year, there have been two recent examples that I know my girls have already heard about. But I think, you know, someday we'll look back and be like, wow, this is a really pivotal time. But I went on two different trips this year. One to Nashville to a place called On Site, and then I went to Puerto Rico with some girlfriends. And they were both trips. Unlike the normal trips, I do, I feel like I very rarely travel these days. And when I do, it's like in and out for business and work. And these were trips that, like, I just kept telling you, like, I feel in my gut I need to be there. Like, I don't know how to describe it. I don't even really know what I'm doing there, but I got these invites, and it just feels like I have to go. And I was explaining to Coco before I left for Puerto Rico of just, like, how excited I was to be with my friends that I haven't seen in so long and how important it is for me to have time and all these things. And it's just like, I feel like a lot of women didn't have it modeled where their mothers would take time for themselves or, like, explain the benefits of friendships and relationships and pouring back into themselves. And so I feel like the girls are getting to see that, thanks to your support. And so I feel like I've just done a lot of, like, soul level exploration, and I think both of us have. So I feel like this year has been a really big year for us both in terms of defining success, really, like, envisioning the next stage of our lives because we're kind of entering into it and also just being willing to dig under the hood a little bit and, like, kind of see what's going on. So, I mean, let's talk about therapy, because you just started. So let's dig into that. How has it been?
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A
It's been amazing. And our therapist, Julia, has just been opening a lot of doors for me that I have always slammed shut and always shied away from. But leaning into those tough conversations has been so pivotal and monumental for me. You've been doing it longer than I have, so we're doing it together. But I think the individual work that I've been doing the last couple months has been massive. And again, it's something that I never. I never grew up talking about emotions or dealing with hard situations, so totally diving in and, like, what can I learn from this? What's an opportunity? You know, growth from this has been something that I never, never wanted to even try to. And now I'm like, when's my next phone call? I'm excited to see what's under there.
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C
Yeah, it's kind of crazy because I just did my conversation with my mom, who also brought up starting therapy, and, you know, it's been really interesting because for us, when I started doing therapy and things, like, I really started just having a higher consciousness around, like, why am I this way? Or why am I triggered by this? Or what is my coping mechanism that's kept me safe? Or, like, you know, up until now, what is work? And I remember telling my therapist, like, gosh, I wish. I wish Drew would, like, want to do this. And I remember her encouraging. And I think this is Such good encouragement for anyone out there is. She was like, I feel like if you start doing couples therapy, it will open the door, because especially being in the Midwest, especially being a man, I feel like therapy is this very, like, elusive thing that you only run to if you're in deep, deep trouble. And it's not something looked at as, like, a way to support yourself or to better yourself, but more of a way to, like, get out of the trenches. And so it was interesting because I think we had maybe done, like, three couples coaching calls when you brought up, like, I think I need to do this on my own as well. And it was really beautiful because it was kind of the bridge to, like, get to that place. And so it's like, not only are we working on growing together, but then you're also taking responsibility to grow on your own. And so it's been interesting because I feel like it's kind of like, well, what the heck is therapy? And I don't want to unearth things, and I don't even know what to talk about. And all those different things, and it's like all of those fears dissipate when you start to just get into the work.
- [12:16]
A
I feel like every phone call I get into with Julia, I have no idea what we're going to talk about. And then something pops up last minute. And we talked about that whole thing today, and I was in tears for probably, like, 30 minutes. But it's stuff that I'm always afraid of before, and now I'm like, this is huge because I'm learning and I'm growing from these. These pain points. And it's been. It's been unbelievable in just, like, a path forward. And whatever that looks like for me, you're not gonna know unless you pop the hood up. So I appreciate you getting me into couples therapy because it's led into all of the other, you know, successes in my mentals. And that's amazing.
- [12:52]
C
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
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B
When I think back to when I.
- [12:56]
C
Bought my first little Craigslist camera, I.
- [12:57]
B
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- [14:02]
C
My cousin's getting married soon and I.
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B
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- [15:08]
C
Okay, this leads me to my next question, which is what is something we figured out in our marriage that you're proud of? I can go first because I've got one.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I am so proud that we have figured out like what our roles are and we've just kind of like stuck to those roles with confidence. I think both of us were raised in different types of households where, you know, it was very much a lot of the mom's responsibility for a lot of the, you know, cooking and cleaning and the traditional things. Plus our mothers worked and so we just had something different modeled. And I know for a while it was kind of trying to figure out like, what does this look like? And you know, I remember you telling me, like, I want to be a Stay at home, dad. And you had never held a baby before. And I was like, all right, here we go. But it's been like such a beautiful journey and I feel like we've just stayed super steadfast in terms of figuring out, like, how do we want to do this as a team? Who does what? What does that look like? And obviously we've worked through so much of that, but I think in a world today where there's so much traditional rules coming back up to the surface, I feel like it's been really powerful for us to just say, here's what works for us and we're good with that. And like, this is awesome. And it can change at any time if we need it to evolve.
- [16:23]
A
Yeah, I think we're able to evolve. And also, again, it goes on through, like respecting each other and what we're both good at and understanding what we're good at and leaning into that power where. Yeah, the non traditional aspect of me home with the girls and you working, like, we just made that as a priority. That's just what we do. And whatever we got to do to keep that, maintain that and just focus on what we're good at. Like you said, that's you're passionate about certain things, let's do those things more.
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C
Yeah, I'm not passionate about vacuuming, I'll tell you that much. You were very passionate about it. Okay, what is something we're still working on?
- [16:59]
A
A big thing for us we're working on is allowing myself to lead a little bit more in a relationship. Because you're constantly, you know, delegating with work and with everything. I want to be the one that's helping take some decisions off of your plate. More big decisions than little things. And I think you are wanting someone to be more of a co lead than just you running the show. So I'm excited to challenge myself in becoming more of a leader in the family.
- [17:24]
C
Okay. I love this because I mean, to paint the picture, I feel like our life has been in like these phases. And if you think about it. So I think there's. I think in Vedic astrology, it's like everything is in like a seven year cycle, something like that. And so my business has been running for 14 years. We've been married for 14 years. So we've kind of been through two cycles. And it's actually kind of wild because it's like we became parents in the second seven year cycle and that cycle is starting to end and start a new beginning, which is exactly how our life Feels right now is like both of our girls are in school now, which was a huge transition for us because basically for the last seven years, we've had a kid at home with us all day, every day. And we loved that stage. I mean, there was so much goodness and it was really hard to send Quinn off to school this year. And so it's interesting because if you think of these like seven year cycles, it was like, the first seven years is really getting my business off the ground to be the business that it is today. The second seven years was in parenthood and me having this rinse and repeat business that allowed us to have this life and this journey through parenthood. And I feel like this year has felt like the beginning of dreaming of what do we want for this next like seven year cycle or really just further future. And it's interesting because I feel like I have always been the vision caster. Like, I always just like have this like grandiose vision and I paint it so well. And you're like, heck yes, let's freaking go for this. And it's awesome and it's been so beautiful. And I feel like for the first time in a long time, I'm kind of like leaving the vision open a little bit. And I remember just really thinking about, you know, it felt like when September was coming this year with the kids starting school, I kept feeling like that date was looming as like, we need to figure out what's next. And I feel like we've let go of this feeling of like, okay, now we've got to like plan out the entire next plan. And we've just been a little bit more open handed, a little loose gripped on it. But what's interesting is, is I also feel like as we're painting this next stage of life with us for our family and our kids, we're also like individually painting, like, what do we want? And I had this realization with Drew of like, you're gonna have more free time. Like, you have job well done. Like, we have successfully got these kids into an amazing school and like, now what do we want to do? And it was more of this realization of, like, I want you to have things that you choose that you lead that I'm not, you know, meddling in or giving my input in or helping guide. Like, I want you to have things that you own that are yours and yours alone. And I want the same for me. And then of course I want like our shared vision. And it's been just like an interesting stage and that's really why we started couples coaching was like, we're at this, like, pinnacle of time where it's like, we're rediscovering who we are outside of our roles and what we love to do and what we want. And we're so lucky to have options and choice and freedom to make those decisions. But we also are in that space as a couple of, like, okay, so what's next? What do we want to do?
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A
It's a clean slate, babe. The clean slate. And it's been exciting, like you said, jumping in and not having, like, a timeline on it. I think, like you were saying, I think we felt like, all right, school's in session. What are we going to do next? But it's not something that you can rush into. I'm learning. And that it's something that takes a little bit of time to figure out what we both and as a group need. And it's just, yeah, we'll get there.
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C
Kind of fun. I mean, what's lighting you up right now? Like, what's exciting you?
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A
I'm just loving having this time to meet up with brotherhood with other dads and other friends and getting to connect with people more deeply than just in the pickup line. That's been huge. And I could keep talking about. Therapy has been big. Just doing more work on myself. And then again, the chickens, the property here, we have 10 acres here that I'm just loving being outside and enjoying that. Like, just the simple things of owning land in the woods has been massive for me. And, yeah, just little things. The dogs are awesome. Having our foster dogs in and out of the house, it's a messy thing to start. But once the dogs are in the house, once I'm like another dog. Jenna, come on. Once they're here, I'm, like, obsessed. And that's really lit me up, the passion of little dogs. And again, I've always been just a simple. I like the simple things. And this is just re. You know, reiterating that, like, the garden and the bees and the chickens are where I'm meant to be. I know of just being at home just like you do.
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C
I know. Well, yeah, not as much. Yeah. Okay. What is a secret superpower of mine that nobody sees but that you rely on?
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A
I think easily. This is going to be your intuition. I am a think with my brain guy. Ones and zeros guy. And I've never really listened to my heart. And you are the number one person that can just have a gut feeling, a gut reaction, something in your heart, and you go with it and it's literally worked probably 100%. You're dialed in. I'm always like, I'm always the one saying you're right.
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C
It always takes a little while though, let's be honest. It starts with an argument.
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A
It takes a little bit for me to, to tell you that you're right.
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C
But I mean, if you could just understand that from the beginning. No, it would save us a lot of stress.
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A
It wouldn't be fun then it would be, it'd be too easy. A little, a little challenge.
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C
I do have a really strong gut on me. Like I, when I look at career and choices and even things that we're looking towards in the future, it's like there's so many things that are like divinely led that I can't orchestrate. And looking back, I'm like, oh, yeah. But I have this like, knowing and I think I've always had it. I've, I've always been it. But I feel like it's stronger now than ever before where it's just like, whoa, lights on.
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A
You're definitely leaning into it and listening to it more, if anything. I don't know about your childhood, but I feel like you've always kind of known what to do and when to do it, which, which makes you, you know, a natural leader. Obviously. You're just, you can decide before it's even anybody else's mind, you're already moving on to the next thing.
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C
Yeah, it's interesting. I think your superpower is like, nobody knows. This is so funny. Your parents were here for Thanksgiving and you are like constantly running behind the scenes, just like tidying. But your dad was like, man, that guy already did the dishwasher, put it away, blah, blah, blah. Like it is like all of the back end stuff. That does take up a lot of headspace. It's just like that's your go to. And your parents were just so impressed. And I was like, no, this is like so normal for us. But we also operate like a well oiled machine. Like we have our positions. I'll never forget when Marissa from my team stayed with us and one morning she was like sitting at the table and just watching us do the delicate dance before school where it's like, I get them dressed, I do the hair, you do the breakfast. Like we have this whole thing in this whole system. But it's like you are always moving things behind the scenes and just keeping it moving and just keeping me organized, which, let's be honest, is a task in and of itself. So I think that's pretty amazing. It's like you are the infrastructure, the foundation.
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A
Yeah. It goes into alignment of your big vision kind of vibes. And I'm just like the lay the groundwork vibe and it's worked.
- [24:33]
C
And you could really see that, like in our closet, like his side of the closet is like.
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A
You want to see that?
- [24:41]
C
Yes. It would really explain a lot about us. Okay. If you could go back and tell the guy who married the girl who was like, I think I'm going to become a wedding photographer, like, what would you tell him? What would you tell that version of you, that 24 year old man?
- [24:59]
A
Listen, whatever she says moving forward, just agree with it and it's gonna work out. Don't be afraid of the risk. Trust her.
- [25:09]
C
Trust my napkin math. I feel like I've done napkin math many times for us. I would tell myself at that stage that it's all gonna work out, but it's not gonna look anything like you think. Like, I think that my brain often moves 20 steps ahead and oftentimes it's not where I'm meant to land. It's like things are stepping stones. And so I think I would tell her, you know, it's gonna be better than you imagine. You're gonna make a lot of money, but it's not gonna fix anything. But I think the thing that will change your life the most is learning to pause and ask the harder questions. And so I think it's just like been a beautiful deconstruction. Like when I look at our lives the past few years, I think there's been just a lot of like untangling what the world tells you to want, what you think you should want. I mean, we have met and spent really quality time with a lot of super successful people. And I think at the end of the day, we live a very simple small town life and we do things in a way that we want them. But I think the biggest luxuries are convenience and choice. I love convenience. I mean, give me a doordash or an instacart any day of the week. Love it. Don't like to leave the house. But choice, I think is like the ultimate luxury. And it's something that you and I don't take for granted of, like not sweating the small stuff, knowing that there are options, but also being able to choose, like what do I want to do, what actually matters, what lights me up. And I think that's been like the biggest blessing. Like that's the luxury at the end of the day.
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A
And I think having gratitude around that, too, like, realizing that there's a choice and we're. We're able to do this, you know, small town, you know, life by design, and just leaning into that and being really grateful for what we have.
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C
I mean, it was interesting because when I went to Nashville and on site, there was, I think there was like, 40 people, and I was the only person from the Midwest, and every other person lived in a massive city. It was New York, Louisiana, Austin, Texas. Like, it was all cities, and I was the only person that lived in a small town. And at the end of the whole thing, you have to put a little pin into the map. And it was like LA was exploding on the map and New York was exploding. And then here's my little pin in Duluth, Minnesota. And it was just, like, a beautiful reminder of, like, we've lived a really big life while keeping our feet in a small town. And, like, I feel that has served us and our kids so well.
- [27:44]
A
We're living a beautiful life.
- [27:45]
C
We're not dead yet, babe. Yeah, we're not dead yet. We've got a lot to do. Okay. What is one dream that you are holding quietly for the next chapter? Like, it could be for us or for the girls. Like, what's something you're just thinking about a lot?
- [27:58]
A
I think I would love to do more traveling with the family. You know, taking them out of school for periods of time and traveling to Europe for a month or traveling to Australia, whatever it looks like. But I enjoy traveling. Jenna enjoys traveling, and the kids have always been along with us for the ride. So I think doing more grand traveling and learning that way through other cultures, I think would be super, super cool. And again, being from a small town, we can always come back to the woods. But going out at this pivotal age for them would be, I think, would be so, so educational for them and for us, and that would be amazing, just getting more travel in.
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C
I saw something recently where it was like, you asked your kids what they got last year for Christmas, and, like, they have no idea. Like, Coco the other night got really embarrassed because she didn't know. And then I was like, what trips did we go on this year? And, like, they can just fire them off, you know, Florida, Nashville, Arizona, Chicago. Yeah. And it's like they remember trips so vividly. I think there's a ton of data that backs that up, too, about travel. And I know travel is a luxury and it's not accessible for everyone, but even, like, you go to the Mall of America, which is Two hours away and spend time, and, like, those are the core memories. So. I agree. I think calling in a lot of travel, I also think just a lot of, like, community service and, like, teaching our kids how to be involved and how to notice and how to be aware and, you know, really looping them into the work that we want to do and the work that's impactful. You know, they've been at the soup kitchen with us. They're super familiar with that. We were leading a food drive for their school, and, you know, really just having them be a part of the process. And so I think there's going to be a lot of, like, activism and just, like, social justice. And I'm excited for that and just for the kids to, like, experience that and learn that, because I feel like we didn't learn a lot of that. And so. Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of see a lot of interesting work that I think will open their eyes up. And, I mean, even doing things like fostering dogs and stuff, it's like they're learning so much in the process, and honestly, they kind of handle it a little better than you do.
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A
Coco dove. Coco's great at.
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C
Yeah. Okay, here we go.
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A
I know. Yeah. I think. I think, like you said, just parlaying off of that. I think giving back and pouring back into the community, that that's been like, you know, taking care of us, paying it forward has been a huge thing, and I think the girls will just learn immensely from that. Whether that's soup kitchen or the dogs, or traveling and seeing, you know, underprivileged areas of the world and realizing, like, how awesome we have it so we have the ability to give back, you know, our energy, I think, is amazing.
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C
Yeah, I'm excited. I think there's going to be a lot of. Okay if we did this conversation again in 10 years. So we're coming up on this coming year will be our 15th anniversary. That's wild. We have officially been together longer than we've been apart. Yeah. We've been together half of our lives. Okay, so if we did this again in a decade, what do you hope would be different about this conversation?
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A
Hoping I'm taking the lead in a decade. By then, I hope I'm the one that's giving you a little bit of time to sit back and let me lead. And also, when you travel, when it's. It's rare, but when you do travel alone, not having so much, like, shame and guilt around it, like, it's okay to be you and learn you and meet you with your friends. Like, don't feel bad. We got this.
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C
I know. I feel like I've been unpacking. Like, I. I feel like since Coco has been born, I could probably count the amount of days I have been gone in seven years. Probably on both hands and feet. Like, 20 days total. Probably in the last seven.
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A
How many invites are you, like, turning down?
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C
I know.
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A
Even this morning, weekend.
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C
I know. I was like, oh, I was supposed to be somewhere today. He's like, why did you not go? I'm like, I don't know. I just didn't want to leave. Yeah.
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A
I'm unpacking at home.
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C
I do. I love being at home, and I love being with my kids. I just hate. I hate missing that time, even if it's just a simple time.
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A
But it's okay to leave.
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C
Yeah. I mean, full permission. Maybe I'll book a trip to Egypt or something.
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A
Okay.
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C
In 10 years, what I hope is different, okay, so I hope that our garden has greatly expanded and we have an orchard and we are producing more food and more of our things. Like, I just hope I'm just expanding this farm out of my head.
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A
We get that.
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C
I don't know. We're going to have a lot of chicken, maybe a goat. I don't know.
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A
I don't know about that.
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C
A mini cow.
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A
I say they're messy and nasty, but probably have, like, five goats.
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C
Yeah. You never know. I mean. Okay, so I hope that that's different. I also think of, like, wow, in 10 years, like, Coco would be 17. Like, we would be in the teen years. And so I hope that we would be at a stage of parenting where we have raised confident, courageous, brave, kind kids. I mean, we've already done that, but just, like, looking ahead, responsible, everything is.
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A
Their mother is putting this on the right path.
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C
Well, I hope so. I mean, that's crazy to think of. And then, okay, what do you hope is the same? Like, if we did this in a decade, what parts of this do you wish would be the same?
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A
I hope we're still able to look at our flaws and work on ourselves. I hope we're still as madly in love as we are now. I hope our respect is. Our respect level has always been our foundation. Just like we understand each other's, you know, the reasoning why we do things, and just a deep love and respect and admiration for each other. Hope it's there. I think that never leaves.
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C
It won't. He was only laughing because I was looking at him with my eyebrows. Up. Yeah. I hope that, like, we're still just enjoying life together. I feel like, one thing I appreciate so much about us and our marriage is just, like. I feel like we're so awake to the blessings. Like, we are so filled with gratitude. I think we're very generous, and so it's like, I just hope there's more of all that, like, calling all of that in. And I think, you know, this stage of life is, like, really a time to expand ourselves and expand our circles and just go for more depth and not with. In all the things that we do. And so, yeah, that's, like, what I hope is the same is that we're just still on that quest of, like, how do we impact the world and our community? How do we create and foster better friendships? How do we make an impact? How do we raise beautiful kids? How do we love all the animals? I mean, we could also have, like, a dog hospice center in the future. I mean, I. Well, I have a lot of dreams over here.
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A
Pump the brakes.
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C
Okay, I'm gonna ask you two more questions, all right? So one is, like, what's a small, ordinary thing that we've done lately that feels like the highlight? Like, what's something that you're just like, huh? That was really cool.
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A
Your vibration plate that you got in the. In the bedroom. Shut up. Jenna's always buying these biohacking hack things. Then I'm like, why would you want to get one of those? What the heck is that? And then I'm, like, secretly using it.
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C
Yeah, this is literally, again, I'm right on everything. He makes fun of me. I have this vibration play I got in the algorithm.
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A
It kept a lot of things. That's just your current, newest one.
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C
I know, but it's. I use them all, do I not? I am the most religious person ever. And all of a sudden, last night, I hear it going, beep, beep in the bathroom. I'm like, oh, guess who stole that one? That's really. What is a small, ordinary thing that feels like a highlight to you?
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A
No, that was just an easy one because I was on it last night.
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C
I feel like a highlight for me is, like, when everybody piles into the bed, like, and we're all just, like, together, and we're. We're not in a rush. I feel like lately I've just been realizing that, like, we're not in a rush. Like, take our time, get everyone together, and, like, I don't know. Coco is so freaking creative. I mean, that child, between the hours of 5am and 7am will write songs, write books. Like, she is, like, on fire from the minute she wakes up.
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A
I was just going to say this morning when you and I are in bed, Hank jumps up in bed, and then Coco comes in with her. Her little, like, biography that she just did with stickers. I'm like, this is so cool that we're all here. Coco loves the dog. The dog. Like, there's all just a ton of love piled into the bed. Everybody but Quinny.
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C
But just that girl loves her sleep.
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A
She does.
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C
She was all cold. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. Just, like, cuddling on the couch, cuddling on the floor, in the kitchen. Like, whatever. It is, like, it's fun that we all just love being together so much. And it is a simple thing, but it's also not like. It's also showing them, like, our. Our group. Yeah. How positive we are together. And I love that.
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C
Yeah. I feel like whenever Quinn brings up anything, she'll be like, you and Daddy and Coco. Like, it's like the. It's like the foursome of all time, where it's just. We love. We genuinely just love being together. And we're together all the time.
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A
Coco drawing our stick figure family. It's always, like. It's always all four of us. It's so sweet. Like, in the yard and whatever. It could be rainbows overhead. And it's just Daddy, Mom, Coco, and Quinny.
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C
I know. It's so great. I think that this stage is exciting. I think it feels new in a lot of ways. It feels like we graduated from, like, the trenches of parenthood. I feel like it's so fascinating because it's like you look back and you're like, dang, that was wild. Like, we were at Thanksgiving and our kids had disappeared with their cousins, and we were hosting, and we are. I've got to say, we're really good hosts. We're very laid back. We're super chill vibes.
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A
You're right again. I kind of actually do like it, too.
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C
Yeah. I. Yeah. He always.
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A
I like having everybody in our. Like, under our roof.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And see where they're at and everything.
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C
Yeah. And the kids disappeared, and we were, like, having an adult conversation around the dining room table. We kind of looked around. We're like, holy crap. 10, 15.
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A
15 minutes of uninterrupted time. Like, where are the kids? They're. They're good. They're having fun. You can hear them laughing.
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C
Yeah. It's like a stage graduation out of the trenches of, like, keeping your eyes constantly on your kids and making sure. Nobody dies, so it's been a fun one.
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A
So all you young parents in the trenches, there is light at the end of a tunnel. We are proof that there will be times when you don't have to watch them 24 7.
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C
It gets easier. It gets better. Every stage is our favorite stage yet, so I think that's a good sign in parenthood. Okay, so one final question that my team wanted to ask, because this is something that comes through a lot, is just if you are dating or married or a partner to an ambitious woman, what is a piece of advice that that person should take? Because I think that that can be a dynamic that can be really tricky for people, and it's something that people are really curious about when it comes to us.
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A
I would say take a step back and be willing to let them, you know, if they're passionate, let them be the driver, Let them take the wheel and. And fly. Don't be the one that's like, I don't know if this is gonna work. Like, just trust that they know the right thing and be there to support them.
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C
I love that. I mean, women have really strong intuitions, and I think men do too. They just don't tap into it.
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A
It's in there. It's in there somewhere. But you guys are able to use yours more.
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C
Oh, well, babe, thanks for coming back on. It's been a hot minute. I hope this gives people a little peek into our lives as of lately. Yes, we are still married.
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A
Thank you for having me. And our life is very simple, and I love that. Yeah. And I'm excited for what's next.
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C
Me too. I love you.
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A
I love you too, babe.
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C
Oh, do you know my closing tagline? Coco can say it. Until next time, gold diggers, keep digging.
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A
And your biggest goals.
- [39:30]
C
There we go. Honestly, I don't know when we'll do this again. Maybe in 10 years, maybe sooner, maybe never quite like this again. But I wanted you to hear us. Like, really hear us in this moment. Not the perfect polished version, not the highlight reel. Just two people who have built a life that they are enjoying, that they are proud of, who are still learning, still dreaming, still figuring out what matters most. If you've been here for a while, you know, this show has always been about more than just strategy. It's been about building a life you actually want to live. And this conversation, this is what that looks like for us right now. It's imperfect and intentional, and it is so full of love. Thank you so much for letting us share it with you. Thank you for being a part of this journey. For all of it. Thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast. Until next time, Gold Diggers Keep on digging your biggest goals, and I hope you're doing it alongside of someone you love.
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B
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