In Episode 35, Matthew talks with his good friend Darnell, twin brother of previous guest Darcell. They had what I will start calling a series of "Free Talk" where the guest and I will have a very lose discussion about any number of topics with no set direction. We did cover "Black people in Christianity, Racism, and conflicting thoughts about America".

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Opening Track/Playlist Shuffle - Selfish: Slum Village, John Legend, & Kanye West.

5:00 - Call to Darnell

7:00 - Free Talk - Black people in Christianity.

Outro Song/Playlist Shuffle - Ocean's Eleven: Tess

The Grip Ep. 35 – Free Talk With Darnell: Racism, Christianity, & America