In today's episode, I chat with Robert Li, director of AI at Australia GTM, about what happens to GTM engineering once agent swarms start doing the work tools used to do. Robert breaks down how Australia GTM takes founder-led, scrappy startups from GTM strategy through to GTM and AI engineering, often working with VC-backed companies out of the Vesta community.

He walks through a client project building a conversational intelligence platform inside a Claude project driven entirely by Markdown files, used by non-technical operators for scheduled call prep, semantic theme tracking, and even generating L&D courses on demand. He shares the stat that orgs spend roughly $1.90 on training for every $1 spent on SaaS, and why cutting that complexity into a chat interface is the real creative work now. Robert also talks through his own path from solutions architecture, his current workflow of running ideas through Perplexity's deep research and multi-model councils before ever building anything, and why he thinks thinking, not doing, is where the value has shifted. He closes with his prediction that agent swarms and MCP servers will handle more of the glue work, and his advice to build GTM strategy skills underneath the tools, since tools change fast and the underlying thinking doesn't.

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(0:00) Introduction to The GTM Engineer Podcast
(0:44) What Australia GTM Does: from GTM strategy to GTM and AI engineering for VC-backed startups
(2:53) Why GTM Engineer Is a "Unicorn" Role: systems thinking meets go-to-market sense
(6:37) Building Their Own LinkedIn Automation System Before Tools Like Sales Robot Existed
(8:05) The SaaSpocalypse: embedding Claude as an AI operating system for clients
(8:31) Case Study: a conversational intelligence platform built on Markdown files inside a Claude project
(11:02) The $1.9-per-$1 SaaS Training Cost and Why Cutting Complexity Is the New Creativity
(13:12) Rethinking Business Models When Agents, Not Humans, Are the New Users
(18:19) Robert's Workflow: Perplexity deep research, model councils, and Claude planning mode before building anything
(21:35) Predictions: agent swarms, MCP servers, and why GTM strategy still matters underneath the tools

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