'Be On the Lookout'

Summary

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The Hand in the Window

Episode 3: "Be On the Lookout"

Date: November 18, 2025
Host: John Quinones, ABC News

Overview

This episode delves into the disappearance of Stacy Stanley, a beloved mother and grandmother from rural Ohio, and the breakthrough in unraveling a serial predator operating in Ashland, Ohio. As her family searches desperately, police connect her case to a chilling series of crimes: a recent abduction, an unsolved disappearance, and shocking revelations from a tense interrogation with Shawn Grate—now suspected as a serial killer. The episode spotlights both the grief and determination of a family and the meticulous investigative work by Detective Kim Major to extract confessions from a manipulative suspect.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Stacy Stanley’s Disappearance and Family Search

• Stacy's Vibrant Personality
  • Described as a warm, punk rock grandma, beloved for her karaoke (“Sweet Child of Mine” by Guns N’ Roses), her generosity, and family gatherings.
  • “She was the glue that held the family together.” —Gina Stanley, Stacy’s sister [01:46]
• Family Dynamics & Concern
  • Her two sons, Corey and Curtis, detail her care for them and her energetic, persistent calling habits.
  • “If you didn’t pick up, she’d call you a thousand times… your mom’s calling for what? To talk to you.” —Curtis [02:22]
• Events Leading to Disappearance
  • On September 8, 2016, Stacy went to Ashland for errands and was last seen at a gas station after a flat tire.
  • Despite an initial ‘good Samaritan’ helping her, she never returned home.
• Realization and Rapid Response
  • Immediate family concern triggers a search, breaking into her trailer upon noticing untouched pets [06:28] and starting frantic physical and community searches around Ashland and Greenwich.
  • Details like strangers’ cigarettes in her car and the seat moved suggest foul play [08:40].
  • "I seen that her driver’s license was not in her purse. I’m like, okay, that’s odd." —Curtis [08:56]

2. Community and Police Effort

• Searches and BOLO
  • Family organizes volunteer search parties, distributes thousands of flyers, scours dumpsters, and even approaches abandoned houses in the area [09:40–10:02].
  • Police issue a BOLO (Be On the Lookout) and track down Stacy’s abandoned car [07:33].

3. Emergence of a Pattern—A Rising Threat

• Connecting Cases
  • Stacy’s disappearance is quickly linked to another missing woman, Elizabeth Griffith, and the recent ordeal of “Jane Doe,” a kidnapping escapee.
  • “In a matter of weeks, Ashland had become the site of a kidnapping and two disappearances.” —Host [10:16]

4. Detective Kim Major’s High-Stakes Interview with Shawn Grate (Suspect)

• Setup for Interrogation
  • Detective Major is given little time to prepare before facing Shawn Grate, a suspect already showing evasive tendencies [16:45].
  • "There is no time to go in a room and do history. There’s no time to make 10 phone calls." —Det. Major [16:48]
• Interview Strategy
  • Takes off Grate’s handcuffs, offers coffee, deliberately works to establish rapport—risking her own safety for psychological advantage [18:25].
  • "I can’t get a confession with somebody in handcuffs… Those came off." —Det. Major [18:41]
  • "I have a flaw… my safety sometimes doesn’t even come to mind." —Det. Major [19:07]

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Notable Quotes & Dramatic Moments

• Det. Major appeals to Grate’s (feigned) conscience:
  • “It looks like, you know, you have a conscience… I saw you tear up when I came in.” [20:38]
• Grate blames his homelessness and his mother for his actions:
  • "So really, it’s all Ashland’s fault for everything that I’ve done." —Grate [21:12]
  • "May have started when my mom left me when I was a child. I come home from school and she’s gone… But I don’t blame her. I used to.” —Grate [22:08]
• Attempts to Justify Attack
  • “She’s just battling all the time… with the lustful desires, and it’s a roadblock…” —Grate [23:16]
  • Det. Major calls this out: “Tying her up and forcing her into sex is not free.” [26:21]
• The Confession
  • After persistent, calm questioning, Grate finally admits:
    • “I abducted her and I raped her.” —Grate [27:12]
• Hints at More Victims
  • When pressed about the missing women:
    • “You’ve already found her.” —Grate, about Elizabeth Griffith [29:45]
    • “How many are there?” —Det. Major [30:48]
    • “I don’t know. Depending on how much you say is many.” —Grate [30:52]
    • “There might not be none.” —Grate [31:01]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Personal Remembrances of Stacy Stanley: [00:28]–[05:17]
• Discovery of Stacy’s Disappearance and Family Actions: [05:43]–[10:16]
• Community Search and Police Involvement: [09:40]–[11:40]
• Detective Major Preps for Grate Interview: [14:39]–[17:34]
• Detective Major’s Interview Techniques & Initial Interrogation: [18:25]–[23:16]
• Confession Sequence: [25:08]–[27:19]
• Detective Major Presses for Info on Other Victims: [28:12]–[31:13]

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Tone & Narrative Style

The episode is immersive, empathetic, and tense—balancing the family's anguish and frustration with the quiet resolve of investigators. The hosts and family members speak candidly, often with emotion but always with clarity, while Detective Major demonstrates unwavering patience and calm professionalism, even when confronting danger or manipulation.

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Summary Takeaways

This gripping narrative weaves together community heartbreak with investigative tenacity. It shows how small details—a moved car seat, unfamiliar cigarettes—can unravel devastating truths, and how an expert interrogator’s emotional intelligence breaks past a suspect’s defenses. By the end, listeners are left on edge: although Detective Major secures a confession for one attack, Shawn Grate’s cryptic answers raise chilling questions about how many other victims may remain undiscovered.

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Notable Quotes with Attribution and Timestamp

• “She was one of the most kindest people you would ever meet… the major part of our family that brought everybody together.” —Gina Stanley [01:47]
• “There’s no way. She loved them dogs so much. And at that point, we kind of knew something was wrong.” —Curtis [06:47]
• “I can’t get a confession with somebody in handcuffs… Those came off.” —Det. Major [18:41]
• “I abducted her and I raped her.” —Shawn Grate [27:12]
• “How many are there?” —Det. Major [30:48]
• “I don’t know. Depending on how much you say is many.” —Shawn Grate [30:52]

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For Next Episode

The episode closes with Detective Major poised to uncover more secrets from Shawn Grate, as she seeks answers for the families of Elizabeth Griffith and Stacy Stanley—and for the community at large.

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Transcript

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At 43, Stacy Stanley was a grandma with a punk rock look. She wore her hair short and spiky, and she often donned a studded leather choker necklace or a black and white bandana. Stacy had the music taste to match her look. Classic rock was her favorite and she was not shy about performing it at karaoke. Her sister Gina Stanley says her go to songs were Lynyrd Skynyrd's Freebird and Sweet Child of Mine by Guns N Roses.

[C]

Sweet Child of Mine. I actually had a video of her singing it when we were kids. I was videotaping her singing that.

[B]

Gina shared the video with ABC News. In this home video, a teenage Stacy with dark, very high volume hair holds a microphone and belts with confidence in her living room. Stacy and her sister Gina were just 11 months apart in age.

[C]

We grew up to be very close.

[B]

What was Stacy like?

[C]

She was one of the most kindest people you would ever meet, do anything for anybody. Was like the major part of our family that brought everybody together. Had made big dinners and stuff for holidays and stuff like that.

[B]

Gina told me Stacy was the glue that held the family together. She was very close with her two sons, Corrie and Curtis Corey. How would you describe her?

[D]

Very loving and caring. You know, give the shirt off her back if she needed to. Very good mother. Couldn't ask for a better one.

[E]

Curtis always there for her kids, calling you consistently. You know, if you didn't pick up, she'd call you like a thousand times. Like you put it on mute. And then your wife would get the calls and like your mom's calling for what? To talk to you.

[B]

Stacy lived in Greenwich, Ohio, about 20 minutes from Ashland. She didn't seem to have anything in common with Jane Doe, who was kidnapped in the town, or with Elizabeth Griffith, who had recently gone missing from ashland. But on September 8, 2016, Stacey Stanley drove into Ashland to run some errands and she never returned home. From ABC Audio In 2020, I'm John Quinones and this is the Hand in the window. Episode 3 Be on the Lookout. Stacy Stanley headed to the Walmart in Ashland for topsoil and gardening supplies while she was in town. She also got her nails done. When she stopped for gas on the way home, she realized she'd been driving on a flat tire. She called her sons for help. Curtis says she was frantic and annoyed. After all, she had just gotten a new tire.

[E]

She called us a thousand times. So I picked up, and I'm like, what's up, mom? She said, oh, I got a flat tire. I said, okay, well, let me call you back, and me and Cory will figure something out.

[B]

Curtis and Corey got in touch with a family friend who was in ashland that evening, and they arranged for him to swing by the gas station to help with Stacy's tire.

[D]

And I called her back. I said, hey, we got. Somebody's gonna come down, help you change a tire. He'll be there shortly. And her whole demeanor changed. She was, like, all happy, giggly, like her normal self, you know? She was laughing on the phone. And I said, well, she's like some nice guy stopped to help, but he don't have no tools. And I. I then told her to tell him, kick rocks. We got somebody coming to help you.

[B]

Kick rocks, Meaning get lost. Curtis says his mom had a tendency to trust people. She'd give strangers rides all the time.

[E]

I'm like, you got to quit doing that, because some. You can't trust everybody. Everybody's not the right person to trust.

[B]

But in this case, everything seemed to turn out fine. At first, the stranger used the tools the family friend had brought to change the tire, and that was that.

[D]

I had talked to my mom about. Must have been about 20 minutes later or so, that she was in the gas station getting a couple coffees, cappuccinos, to be exact. And that she was gonna go home, and she'll call me in the morning. And she's like, all right, Wayne. I love you. It's a nickname she always called me. And I said, all right, mom. I love you. I'll talk to you tomorrow. And that was the last we ever heard from her.

[B]

The next day, Corey went to work as usual. But later that evening, he realized he hadn't heard from his mom.

[D]

I tried calling her. I was ringing like, a busy tone. So at that time, I called my brother. I said, hey, have you heard from mom today? And he said, no. I said, try calling her. I can't get a hold of her. He tried calling her. I worked the rest of that evening, and then I called my aunt. I'm like, hey, we haven't heard from mom. Do you know what's going on. And she's like, no, we should go down there. So we end up going to my mom's trailer.

[B]

No one answered when they knocked, and the door was locked. So Stacy's sons and her sister ended up forcing the door open. Open.

[D]

And she had two little dogs, Choco and Maya. She loved them. Little dog, little chihuahuas.

[B]

The two chihuahuas were still in their kennels. It was clear that Stacy had not been home to let them out.

[C]

We just knew that she wouldn't just leave those dogs home by theirself like that.

[D]

There's no way. She loved them dogs so much. And at that point, we kind of knew something was wrong.

[B]

Stacy's family began looking for her and her car. What had happened? On her way home from the gas.

[C]

Station, me and Corey was going to go drive the routes from Ashland to Greenwich to check to see if there was any accidents or maybe she was down in the ravine or something like that.

[D]

Maybe she fell asleep and wrecked her car.

[A]

And.

[D]

And nobody just had noticed it.

[B]

They didn't find her car or any signs of car accidents along the route. So they reported Stacy missing to the police.

[D]

The Huron county sheriffs had put out a bolo. Be on the lookout.

[B]

Stacy's family kept doing their own digging, too. Corey Stanley went back to the gas station to see if any of the employees had seen anything. They remembered Stacy, but didn't know she left with anyone.

[D]

After that, we went down to the police station to try to see if they got any kind of news or anything. And while we were speaking to them, it came across the radio that they had. Somebody had reported her car on East 9th street in Ashland.

[B]

The caller said Stacy's car was parked on the side of the road Just a few streets over from the abandoned houses on Covert Court. By this point, Stacy had been missing for three days.

[D]

We beat the cops over to the car. The cops end up showing up there. And my brother opened the door up and got in the car and was looking for, you know, in the car for something.

[B]

Curtis realized the driver's seat was all the way back.

[E]

My mom was short, so it didn't make sense why the seat was back. So then I started digging around a little bit more, and I seen that her driver's license was not in her purse. I'm like, okay, that's odd. You know, like, why is that out?

[B]

When Corey looked inside the car, he noticed something else was off. He picked up her ashtray.

[D]

My mom smoked roll E cigarettes. She rolled her own. It was cheaper that way. And I just opened it up and I happened to see a Camel filtered cigarettes in there. And I was like, these are my mom's. My mom don't smoke these. I know my mom will not spend money on cigarettes. It's alarming because now we're figuring this was my mom driving a car and these aren't her cigarette. But so somebody else was in this car.

[B]

Stacy's family kept searching for her. After crisscrossing Ashland and the roads leading to Greenwich, they got a group of volunteers together.

[E]

You had a good 70, 80 of us walking the streets, handing out flyers. Like I had printed off like almost 2 or 3,000 flyers.

[D]

We're searching dumpsters and anything just to try to, you know, because something obviously we knew something had happened, but we didn't know what.

[B]

One evening, some of the volunteers even went up to the abandoned houses on.

[E]

Covert Court, beating on the door, realizing it was an empty house. I was gonna go in there, but it was so late at night that we all had kids and had to go get up the next morning and take the kids to school. And we went right back out there to do it again.

[B]

Stacy's family didn't know that one of these run down houses near the laundromat was not actually empty. And they didn't know that the disappearance of their beloved mom, grandmother and sister was just one event in a new disturbing trend in Ashland, Ohio. About three weeks earlier, 29 year old Elizabeth Griffith had gone missing. And on September 11th, three days after Stacy was last seen at the gas station, Jane Doe was held captive and assaulted inside one of those abandoned houses by the laundromat. In a matter of weeks, Ashland had become the site of a kidnapping and two disappearances. At the Ashland police station, Detective Kim Major was trying to figure out what was going on in Ashland. She'd started by speaking with Jane Doe. Her next task, interviewing Jane Doe's kidnapper. What did he have to say for himself? And could he be connected to the missing women? Hello, friends.

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During Detective Kim Major's interview with Jane Doe, she got a detailed account of how Sean Grate had lured Jane into the abandoned house, held her captive and raped her. When the interview with Jane ended, Detective Major thought her work was done. But when she stepped out of her office, the police captain told her that Sean Grate was not offering much information so far. The captain wanted Detective Major, an expert interviewer, to see if she could get Grate to open up and he wanted Major to Ask Great about more than just his alleged crimes against Jane Doe.

[A]

While you're in there, see if he knows anything about the missing girls.

[B]

The missing girls? 29 year old Elizabeth Griffith, who we told you about in the last episode, and 43 year old Stacy Stanley, whose sons had been searching for her for days. Detective Major was surprised to hear Stacy's name. She knew that Jane Doe, Elizabeth Griffith and Sean Grate all spent time at the Kroc center in town. But Detective Major was not aware of any possible link between Stacey Stanley and and Shawn Grate. The investigation unfolding in front of Detective Major kept getting bigger and bigger. But it seemed like one person, Shawn Great, might hold the answers. Detective Major typically like to prepare before interviews, especially ones as high stakes as this one.

[A]

I might do a little bit of history to try to get a baseline. Maybe I'll try to type somebody's personality or find out what matters to them. It can help you with maybe changing gears in an interview because they're so dynamic. In his case, I knew nothing, so my goal was to walk.

[B]

You didn't have a lot of time to study.

[A]

I had a couple minutes to walk down the hall because you always run that risk of somebody shutting down. So there is no time. There's no time to go in a room and do history. There's no time to make 10 phone calls.

[B]

You're figuring him out as you go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The room Shawn Great was being held in was not at all like Detective Major's office with its plants and soothing colors. Sean Grate was instead seated in a standard interrogation room with bare walls and Stark Lighting.

[A]

Date:September 13, 2016 Time:10:53am Detective Major preparing to interview Sean.

[B]

Your initial impression of his appearance?

[A]

He was shirtless. So his physique, his muscular, his eyes, they're just as people describe them later. They're blue and piercing.

[B]

Angry, upset, almost neutral.

[A]

Initially, he had been angry. I knew prior to me coming in. But when I saw him, when we made eye contact and I came in the room, he was sort of neutral. I could see him looking at me, just wondering how to take me.

[B]

Detective Major had a strategy for putting people accused of crimes at ease. She was deliberate about everything she did in an interview.

[A]

I'm hyper aware of how the room is set up. I don't interview with a table in between someone. I might be at the corner of the table, but I'm face to face with someone. So in his case, he was handcuffed. And I can't get a confession with somebody in handcuffs. So Those came off.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Well, I talk with my hands. So do a lot of people. So those nuances in an interview are how you pick up on something that's different than somebody's constant. And then when you see something that varies from that, you know there's something going on there.

[B]

But out of his handcuffs, he could attack you.

[A]

He could. He could.

[B]

You weren't thinking about that.

[A]

I have a flaw, so I'm gonna just air it right here. I have a flaw where I am focused on what I need to get, and my safety sometimes doesn't even come to mind. Hey, Shawn. I'm Kim. Major. Nice to meet you. We're gonna get these cuffs off you.

[B]

After she took his handcuffs off, Detective Major asked Grate if he'd like anything to drink. He said he wanted coffee, and she asked an officer to bring some in. Major had learned that building rapport with a suspect and showing them empathy could get them to open up. So she chose to speak with Great in a gentle tone.

[A]

All right, bud. All right. You're going through a lot. Okay? A whole lot.

[B]

There was a camera in the room so that other officers could watch and listen, but that camera went down during the interview. So the audio you're hearing is from Detective Major's backup recorder.

[A]

I had dropped it down my top, and it's not something I even tell. Generally would tell people, but it's just my backup. And in this case, it became the primary recording. So you can hear my heartbeat on there.

[B]

Once Detective Major and Sean Grates settled in, she told Grate she had just talked to Jane Doe about what happened to her in that abandoned house on Covert Court.

[A]

I want to kind of go through what she said and see what we're missing. Okay. It looks like, you know, you have a conscience. You have some feelings. Like, I can see that. I saw you tear up when I came in.

[F]

So, yeah, that's rough when you ask me. I'm going through things, like. Yeah, I am going through things.

[B]

Grade explained that by going through things, he meant not having anywhere to live. He said Ashlyn's homeless shelter was shut down, and that's why he was staying in the abandoned house.

[F]

So really, it's all Ashlyn's fault for everything that I've done.

[A]

That's frustrating. I think sometimes it's like the perfect storm. You're here in Ashland. You don't have a place to go. You end up being in an abandoned house, which is, you know, you're always looking over your shoulder, wondering if somebody's gonna show up here, and you're in some place you're not supposed to be. So when you say it's Ashland's fault. Well, we can't blame that. But you know what? Sometimes we are where we are because of all these little things that are going wrong around us.

[B]

Detective Major told Sean Grate that investigators already knew what he had done to Jane Doe. Now they wanted to understand why he abducted and assaulted her. Great traced things back to his mom.

[F]

May have started when my mom left me when I was a child. I come home from school when she's gone. But I don't blame her. I don't. I used to.

[A]

But why did she leave?

[F]

She had to go find herself.

[A]

I'm sorry. That's hard.

[F]

It don't really matter. I'm used to it.

[A]

Well, I don't know that you are. You're going through everything. You're still human. You know what I mean?

[F]

Doesn't matter.

[B]

Sean Great started crying. Detective Major tried to comfort him. She said that being honest about what he'd done to Jane Doe was the right thing to do. She started asking him questions about her. Great said Jane Doe was very Christian, knew the Bible well, and did not believe in sex outside of marriage. But he also told Detective Major that he believed Jane Doe needed to have sex to push past her lustful desires.

[F]

She's just battling all the time. She's battling with the lustful desires, and it's a roadblock of.

[D]

Ashley.

[A]

Did you think by you doing what you did to her that it would push her past that? I mean, I'm not.

[F]

I know I got overboard. I think I. Overboard?

[A]

Overboard, yeah, overboard. It did get overboard.

[B]

Detective Major pointed out that he had held Jane Doe captive for days.

[F]

Time was just going too fast.

[A]

Meaning you wanted to keep her there and do it another time. Meaning have sex with her again.

[F]

Just spending time with her. That I wouldn't be able to spend time with her for a long time.

[B]

Major also pointed out that Jane Doe was injured all over her body. Grate tried to justify that by saying he gave her a few little taps.

[F]

I did smack her like a few little taps.

[A]

But you do understand, with your strength that a little tap to you on somebody like that is gonna cause some marks like that.

[F]

But this was actually when she just started going crazy at first, and I didn't know what to do.

[A]

So you thought if I hit her, she'll snap out of it and submit?

[F]

She didn't still submit.

[B]

You got more and more out of him.

[A]

That's right. It just kept Coming out in layers. A little bit more and a little bit more.

[B]

Detective Major and Shawn Grate had been talking for almost 40 minutes. She knew she had to tread carefully. She needed a full, clear confession.

[A]

Time is always of the essence. I'm against the clock to get them to say something before I say the wrong thing and cause them to stop talking at all.

[B]

So far, Great had spent a lot of the interview downplaying what he had done to Jane Doe or trying to justify it.

[A]

Do you think this will impact her for a long time?

[F]

Did it clear her muscle thoughts she'd be able to move on and stay focused? Now.

[B]

Detective Major tried to get Sean Gray to move beyond attempting to justify what he had done. Her tone remained calm, even as she began asking more pointed questions.

[A]

Do you think that that is good for her? To have somebody force themselves to have sex with you? Is that good or not good? It's not good. Okay, so you think she needed to have sex with somebody, but do you think she needed to be free, forced into sex? Be honest.

[F]

She needed it because she wasn't gonna do it herself because it's so wrong. She needed to be free from that.

[A]

But tying her up and forcing her into sex is not free.

[F]

Tie her up and have sex with her. No, I didn't tie her up.

[A]

Tie her up when you leave to keep her from leaving. Yeah, okay. But you're five times as strong as her. Am I right? Is that right or wrong? That's kind of a given.

[C]

Right.

[A]

So she doesn't have the option of not. She tried to fight you off. I mean, looking at this whole thing. You forced her to have sex. She didn't want to.

[B]

Shawn Great did not have a defense this time. Detective Major's questions seemed to have worn him down. He became very quiet and said, I.

[F]

Abducted her and I raped her.

[B]

Finally, Great had confessed. I abducted her. I raped her. He also admitted to strangling her, threatening to kill her, giving her drugs to sedate her, and using his phone to record the assault. It had taken 47 minutes of disciplined interrogation, but Detective Major had gotten what she needed.

[A]

Earlier in my career, I probably would have stopped right at Jane Doe. I would have walked out of the room and maybe did some high fives with people that I got a confession.

[B]

But police suspected this case was bigger than Jane Doe. Detective Major needed to find out if Grate knew anything about the two other women, both still missing. Elizabeth Griffith and Stacy Stanley.

[A]

So you have a conscience. Do you agree?

[F]

Yes.

[A]

You think your life's over. You think you say you died along time ago. Meaning probably your soul. Or emotionally, you feel like you're dead.

[F]

Yeah. I died on the cross with Jesus.

[B]

Detective Major started by mentioning Elizabeth Griffith. The 29 year old grade had met at the Kroc Center.

[A]

We can't find Elizabeth. Can you help me?

[B]

I don't know if I can help you.

[A]

Why? This might be one of those moments. This might be your moment to do the right thing. To do the right thing?

[F]

Shawn, it's the right thing.

[A]

The right thing is to tell us where she is.

[B]

Great. Stayed quiet. Detective Major kept pushing gently.

[A]

And that goes on for just so long. Long enough that he's acting like he has no idea what I'm talking about. And I'm trying to put value in what he's saying. And I'm thinking he may not know where she is. You almost feel like you're on the outside of yourself looking in. So I had to like, check my ego and say, okay, I'm gonna go for it.

[B]

She kept asking Shawn Gray to tell her where Elizabeth could be.

[A]

Can you take me to her?

[F]

You've already found her.

[A]

I haven't found her.

[B]

Detective Major kept assuring Gray that they really had not found Elizabeth Griffith. That they needed his help.

[A]

I'm looking for Elizabeth's body. Can you take me to it?

[F]

So she's dead.

[A]

I believe she is. Hey, I mean, listen to me. This is your moment.

[F]

Is it my moment?

[A]

I believe it is.

[F]

My moment is when I die. Once I'm put in a cell, the key lock is my mom.

[B]

Detective Major had spent an hour with Shawn Grate. And he kept dangling information in front of her as if they were playing a game of cat and mouse.

[F]

I might not be able to take you to her. Maybe someone else.

[B]

Or others.

[A]

How many are there?

[F]

I don't know. Depending on how much you say many.

[B]

Great. Might. Humble. Depends on how much you say is many. Why?

[F]

I don't know. There might not be none.

[B]

There might not be none. Great was being cryptic. So he's playing with you.

[A]

I think so. Possibly he's wanting to tell me something. So he's saying things to see my reaction. I feel played with. But maybe he's struggling with. Should I say it or not?

[B]

You had been with the department two or three decades, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Done. How many of these interviews? A thousand.

[A]

Over a thousand.

[B]

This one was different.

[A]

In a lot of ways, yes.

[B]

Grade seemed to be getting closer. Closer to admitting something. But did he have answers about what had happened to the two missing women in the area? Elizabeth Griffith and Stacy Stanley. Detective Major was not going to leave the room until she got Shawn Great to spill his secrets. The hand in the window is a production of abc audio and 2020 hosted by me, john quinones. Produced by madeline wood, camille peterson, kiara powell edited by gianna palmer. Our supervising producer is susie lu. Music and mixing by evan viola. Special thanks to katie dennis, janice johnston, michelle margulis, caitlin schiffer, rachel walker, annalisa linder, joseph diaz, jonathan balthaser, gail deutsch, gary wynn, stephanie mcbee, natalie cardenas and samantha wanderer. Josh cohan is our director of podcast programming.

[D]

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[B]

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[D]

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[A]

They make everything about themselves I can't open.

[B]

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