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Traci Mumford
From the New York Times, it's the headlines. I'm Traci Mumford. Today's Thursday, October 2nd. Here's what we're covering. Mr. Vice President, in every previous shutdown, workers have been furloughed, not laid off. So why does the president want to fire some workers and not just furlough them? Why is this shutdown any different?
Trump Administration Official
Well, first of all, we haven't made any final decisions about what we're going to do with certain workers. What we're saying is that we might have to take extraordinary steps, especially the longer this goes on at the White House.
Traci Mumford
The Trump administration is forging ahead with plans to conduct mass layoffs and slash already approved projects, saying that could be necessary to save money as the government shutdown enters day two. Those kinds of cuts have not been required in past shutdowns, but the Trump administration is looking at how to leverage this moment to cut programs and staff it considers to not aligned with the president's agenda.
Trump Administration Official
And I think that the Democrats, if they're so worried about the effect this is having on the American people, and they should be what they should do is reopen the government, not complain about how we respond to the fact that Chuck Schumer and the Democrats have shut down the government in the first place.
Traci Mumford
Vice President J.D. vance denied the administration was targeting any federal agencies based on politics. But the initial plans of what to slash include $18 billion for transportation projects in New York, home to Senator Chuck Schumer and Representative Hakeem Jeffries, the two Democratic leaders in Congress. And the administration also said it was terminating about $8 billion in what the White House budget director called green new scam funding to fuel the left's climate agenda, a move that affected projects in 16 states, most of which are led by Democrats. The two parties have been deadlocked over a temporary funding measure that would reopen the government. The Democrats are holding out for a deal that would extend subsidies that help millions of Americans pay for their health insurance at the moment. Despite the shutdown, many crucial government operations are continuing without interruption, though depending on how long it lasts, some services like child care and grocery vouchers for low income families could be affected. Yesterday, several federal agencies started using their websites to blame Democrats or the, quote, radical left for any disruptions. Some furloughed government employees have even been instructed to set their out of office message to a version of I am out of the office for the foreseeable future because Senate Democrats voted to block a clean federal funding bill. The messaging is a remarkable breach for federal agencies and their typically nonpartisan workforce. Using government platforms to attack Democrats could violate the Hatch act, which is designed to ensure the federal workforce operates free of political influence, influence or coercion. Now two more updates on the Trump administration Yesterday, the Department of Education sent letters to nine universities urging them to pledge support for President Trump's political agenda in order to help ensure access to federal funds. The letter came with a 10 page compact demanding that the schools cap the enrollment of international students, commit to strict definitions of gender and freeze tuition for five years. In exchange, they'd get priority on federal research money. The letters went out to schools including mit, the University of Texas and Vanderbilt. The effort is part of the Trump administration's months long pressure campaign on elite universities, which many conservatives have criticized as too liberal. The White House has pressured schools to pay millions of dollars to close civil rights investigations and frozen billions in funding. A top Education Department official said this compact could ultimately be extended to universities nationwide. And the Supreme Court said yesterday that Federal Reserve governor Lisa Cook can remain in her position for now. As part of Trump's effort to reshape the Fed, a traditionally independent body, the president tried to fire Cook, alleging that she'd committed mortgage fraud. Trump is the first president to try and remove a governor in the fed's more than 100 year history. Several former Fed chairs, along with past treasury secretaries from both Democratic and Republican administrations, urged the Supreme Court to let Cook keep her job while her case was being reviewed to avoid causing instability at the Fed. In an unsigned decision yesterday, the Supreme Court said it would hear full arguments about whether Trump can fire Cook in January. It will be one of three cases the court will hear testing the limits of presidential power this term, which begins Monday. In the Middle East, Hamas is holding talks with mediators to discuss the ceasefire plan that President Trump put forward this week to end the war. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he supports it. My colleague Liam Stack and other Reporters working with the Times have been talking with Palestinians in Gaza as they wait to see what Hamas will say.
Liam Stack
I think every person we spoke with said they wanted Hamas to accept the deal, but there was quite a bit of skepticism from people that Hamas would do it. One woman, a single mother who is seeking shelter in the south with her young daughter, told us that she felt like no one cared about them, that they were just dying and nobody was paying attention and Hamas needed to be thinking about them more. And we spoke to one man, Mahmoud Abu Matar. He said at this point in the war, he is just disgusted by the negotiators. At one point he said something to the effect of I'm here and, you know, trying to get a bag of flour or get fresh water, nearly getting killed every day. And the negotiators who say they're speaking on my behalf, they're far away in a hotel room, in an air conditioned conference room, not going through what I'm going through.
Traci Mumford
Over the last 10 days, there's been a wave of mysterious drone sightings across Scandinavia, hovering over military bases, flying over airports and putting people on edge. Authorities have implied that Russia is behind it, and analysts say it could be part of a Kremlin strategy to probe European countries military readiness and to unsettle the public. That part seems to be working. Police hotlines in Denmark, Sweden and Norway have lit up with people calling in false alarms. That turned out to be everything from just small planes to even stars. And Danish news outlets have reported a surge in people buying emergency rations, radios, rice and canned foods. Analysts say Denmark is a logical place for Russia to target with this kind of campaign. It's one of Ukraine's staunchest supporters. It's a founding member of NATO, and its defenses are weak. The country announced it was boosting military spending in recent months, though many Danes feel officials haven't done enough. Yesterday, leaders from the European Union met in Copenhagen under increased security to discuss defense strategy. Some European officials have pushed for building what they're calling a drone wall, a system of overlapping radar stations and air defense units spread across the continent.
Liam Stack
And finally, in July 1960, Jane Goodall.
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Traci Mumford
The scientist and conservationist Jane Goodall, who changed how the world thought about chimpanzees and humans, died yesterday at 91. Born in London in 1934, Goodall's research career began when she took an assignment to observe chimps in the wild in a remote area of Tanzania.
Trump Administration Official
When I arrived at the Gombe Stream Reserve, I felt that at long last, my childhood ambition would was being realized there.
Traci Mumford
Goodall spent so much time among the animals, they got used to her presence and she began noticing the chimps behaving in surprising ways. She saw one deliberately break off a stalk of grass and use it to fish around for insects in a termite mound. She saw other chimps using tools, too. Her observations stunned the scientific community. Making tools had been considered a hallmark of humans. Louis Leakey, the paleoanthropologist, said, quote, now we must redefine tool, redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans. Goodall shared her research and her wild adventures in the rainforest, complete with crocodiles and giant deadly centipedes, on tv, in documentaries and in books. That turned Goodall into a household name. Eventually, she moved to spend less time observing and more time trying to protect chimps and their disappearing habitats. The Jane Goodall Institute, which she established in the 70s, evolved into one of the world's largest nonprofit research and conservation organizations. And she kept working with the organization until her death. A colleague of Goodall's told the Times, quote, she kept her own curiosity and energy and enthusiasm that we all have as children and sometimes lose. I never saw her lose that. Those are the headlines today on the Daily A look at the Democrats strategy to make the shutdown fight all about health care costs. You can listen to that in the New York Times app or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Tracy Mumford. We'll be back tomorrow with the latest and the Friday news quiz.
Episode Title: Trump’s Shutdown Agenda, and a Wave of Mysterious Drones in Scandinavia
Host: Traci Mumford, The New York Times
This episode covers several major stories shaping the day’s news: the Trump administration’s unique and combative approach to the ongoing government shutdown, the global reaction to a mysterious drone threat in Scandinavia, updates on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, and the death and legacy of pioneering primatologist Jane Goodall. Times reporters offer details and on-the-ground perspectives, providing insight into the political and geopolitical currents influencing global headlines.
[00:38–06:02]
Unprecedented Approach to Shutdown:
Unlike previous shutdowns that involved furloughing federal workers, the Trump administration is contemplating “extraordinary steps” – including permanent layoffs and canceling already-approved projects – to save money and align government services with the president's agenda.
"We might have to take extraordinary steps, especially the longer this goes on at the White House." — Trump Administration Official [00:59]
Partisan Targeting and Accusations:
Cuts are notably affecting Democratic strongholds: $18 billion in transportation projects hit New York, home to top Democrats.
$8 billion in “green new scam” climate funding targeted, which particularly impacts Democrat-run states.
The administration frames the shutdown as a consequence of Democratic intransigence, while Democrats push to extend health care affordability provisions.
"If they're so worried about the effect this is having on the American people, what they should do is reopen the government, not complain about how we respond..." — Trump Administration Official [01:34]
Unprecedented Government Messaging:
Some federal agencies have started using their websites and automatic out-of-office email replies to blame Democrats and the “radical left” for government service disruptions—a stark departure from the traditional nonpartisan stance, potentially violating the Hatch Act.
Pressure on Universities:
The Department of Education sent letters to nine top universities (including MIT and Vanderbilt), demanding they publicly support Trump’s agenda—impose strict rules on gender, cap international enrollments, and freeze tuition in exchange for Federal research funding.
"[The compact] could ultimately be extended to universities nationwide." — Traci Mumford [05:20]
Supreme Court and Federal Reserve Shake-Up:
President Trump’s effort to fire Fed Governor Lisa Cook over allegations of mortgage fraud marks an unprecedented move to reshape the independent agency. The Supreme Court will hear arguments on the scope of presidential power in such removals in January.
[06:02–07:00]
Ceasefire Talks:
Hamas is in negotiations regarding a Trump-proposed ceasefire, supported by Israeli PM Netanyahu. On-the-ground reporting from Liam Stack describes widespread skepticism and exhaustion among Palestinians in Gaza.
"Every person we spoke with said they wanted Hamas to accept the deal, but there was quite a bit of skepticism... One woman…told us that she felt like no one cared about them, that they were just dying and nobody was paying attention, and Hamas needed to be thinking about them more." — Liam Stack [06:12]
"Mahmoud Abu Matar…said, 'I'm here…trying to get a bag of flour or get fresh water, nearly getting killed every day. And the negotiators who say they're speaking on my behalf, they're far away…not going through what I'm going through.'" — Liam Stack [06:44]
[07:00–08:31]
Incidents:
In the past 10 days, drones have been seen hovering over military bases and airports across Denmark, Sweden, and Norway, raising alarm. Though no concrete culprit has been identified, authorities and analysts suggest Russian involvement as part of a strategy to test defenses and unsettle public morale.
Public Response & Security Measures:
[08:35–09:24]
Jane Goodall’s Impact:
Renowned for her fieldwork with chimpanzees in Tanzania, Goodall revolutionized our understanding of animal behavior and humanity’s relationship to nature.
Her observations, particularly of tool use among chimps, compelled scientists to reconsider what separates humans from other animals.
"Louis Leakey, the paleoanthropologist, said, quote, 'now we must redefine tool, redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans.'" — Traci Mumford [09:11]
Conservation Leadership:
Goodall established the Jane Goodall Institute, which became a major force in research and conservation. She was known for maintaining her childlike curiosity and determination throughout her life.
"She kept her own curiosity and energy and enthusiasm that we all have as children and sometimes lose. I never saw her lose that." — Goodall Colleague (quoted by Traci Mumford) [09:20]
On the Shutdown’s Aggressive Tactics:
"We might have to take extraordinary steps, especially the longer this goes on at the White House."
— Trump Administration Official [00:59]
On Life in Gaza During Peace Negotiations:
"I'm here and, you know, trying to get a bag of flour or get fresh water, nearly getting killed every day. And the negotiators who say they're speaking on my behalf, they're far away in a hotel room... not going through what I'm going through."
— Mahmoud Abu Matar, via Liam Stack [06:44]
On Goodall’s Scientific Legacy:
"Now we must redefine tool, redefine man, or accept chimpanzees as humans."
— Louis Leakey, quoted by Traci Mumford [09:11]
The episode maintains The New York Times’ signature tone: precise, journalistic, and analytical, blending matter-of-fact reporting with direct testimony from officials, reporters, and affected individuals. Insightful quotations and on-the-ground perspectives create an urgent, grounded feel, especially in the coverage of Gaza and Scandinavian public anxiety. The obituary for Jane Goodall stands out for its warmth and reverence.
The episode closes with a tease for further coverage on the Democrats' strategy during the shutdown, specifically focusing on health care, available on The Daily.