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470: A New Era - Why We're Pressing Pause on The Heart University.
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Lindsay Roman
You're listening to the Heart and Hustle podcast. We're your hosts, Abby McLeod and Lindsay Roman. Welcome back to the show, my friend.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
Today is a bittersweet episode. This is. It's going to be real. It's going to be honest. It's going to be a real, real yank back the curtain. Just conversation around what's been going on in our lives the last few months, but especially in the last few weeks.
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Lindsay Roman
And the decision that that's brought us to.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah. What God's been doing. And it's real vulnerable, very bittersweet, but also so peaceful. And we're just. There's no point in just yammering on. It's time. We're just gonna reveal it all. So let's get to the episode. Hey.
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Lindsay Roman
Hey. I'm Lindsay Roman.
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Evie McLeod
And I'm Evie McLeod. And we are family and legacy focused serial entrepreneurs and the founders of the Heart yout University, a business education company with a mission to help you thrive in your business and life.
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Lindsay Roman
Welcome to our entrepreneur cocktail hour where business and marketing strategies meet faith, real talk and raw in life changing conversations.
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Evie McLeod
At the end of the day, we are all in this together, figuring out how to navigate the ups and downs, the messy and the beautiful and everything in between. This is a community where you can come as you are, get inspired and walk away, equipped to build a legacy filled life.
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Lindsay Roman
You're listening to the Heart and Hustle podcast.
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Evie McLeod
Hello, friend. Oh, welcome to this episode. My heart is so, like, pleased to be here because it feels so right. Like we feel so much peace on this, but also broken sitting here.
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Lindsay Roman
Well, it's bittersweet.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Yes.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah. And it quite possibly might be coming as a shock to you. Yeah. Depending on how we're naming this episode, depending on if you saw social before you came here or anything.
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Evie McLeod
I mean, to be honest, it was.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Kind of a little bit of shock.
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Evie McLeod
To us just in the timing of.
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Lindsay Roman
Felt like a long time coming. Simmering, but then all at once, like actively full boil. Yes, full boil. Also, if you hear some mew mews in the back, Walter's here.
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Evie McLeod
Walter is hanging out, giving a cameo. Okay.
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Lindsay Roman
So he goes to sleep.
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Evie McLeod
Let's, let's get, let's get everything out of the way off the table. We are putting the full bear news on the table for you.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
We are pausing the podcast and we are pausing the Hart University, which is crazy to say out loud. Honestly.
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Lindsay Roman
That's like, that's a lot. That's a lot. So real fast to give you a backstory, if you're semi new to us or if you're just like, confused in general. We started the hart University in 2018. 17.
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Evie McLeod
We began working on it in 2017. I think our first event or first workshop was 2018.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's however many years that is. I can't do math in my current postpartum state.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Eight, nine years.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah, sure.
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Lindsay Roman
And in that timeline, we have done photography workshops. Then we transitioned to have an online course with courses and digital resources, and we also did business conferences. We went on to do, obviously, this podcast. Did I miss anything? I feel like that's.
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Evie McLeod
I feel like it's a good synopsis. Workshops, courses, digital products, a digital shop, conferences.
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Lindsay Roman
And then in 2023, at that point, I had had two kids and we. We were on this, like, hamster wheel of Hustle. And we identified this or, like, shared this a lot in our episode End of an Era. I think if I remember, I literally googled it two seconds ago and now I'm forgetting it again. 3:42. I'm pretty sure that sounds about right.
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Evie McLeod
We'll put it in the show notes. And the title is the End of an Era.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah, yeah. Ironically, that was just the slowdown of the era. Whatever. You get it. In that episode, we basically shared how at end of 2023, we downsized the heart, meaning that instead of like, we. The way we had built the business was just this hamster wheel of launches to support like the. Like. Like launching and launching and launching to like, support like this big Eiffel Tower. Not the skyscraper that we've built. Is kind of like how we described it in that episode.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah, it was like a. It was a big company. It was a lot of. Yeah, it was just. It was a lot of time from us, a lot of energy, a lot of effort. It was very. In its own way. But we both felt this isn't super sustainable long term with motherhood, and we're gonna, you know, slow down what we're doing and trim it back to essentially one workshop a year. And the podcast, this podcast, which is one episode a week instead of two. We did two episodes a week for like four plus years. And then we trimmed it down with the downshift to one episode a week. So that's what we've done.
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Lindsay Roman
The news right now that you're receiving is going from one workshop a year and one episode a week to nothing.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah, essentially.
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Lindsay Roman
That sounds aggressive.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah. So I want to, like, kind of give the. Like, we got to give the context of like, what do you Mean, this came as a shock. Like, what do you mean? It's been simmering for a while. What do you mean?
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah, like, what, what?
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Evie McLeod
Where? I feel like this is at least six months brewing.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah. Well, you, you, you'd kick us off and I'll come in as I do.
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Evie McLeod
I think, I think foundationally I'm just gonna say this and then move on past it because I feel like this has been said so many times. If you've listened to any real number of podcast episodes from us, so we don't need to harp on it, but both of us really prioritize motherhood, and we've always felt, well, we both feel very, like, called to the gift and the life of motherhood and the work of motherhood. So that's always been a big priority for both of us in all of this heart, you know, work, season, whatever. But I feel like for me, it really became very real last year in having my first. First child, my first son Earthside.
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Lindsay Roman
Right.
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Evie McLeod
And actually stepping into, oh, the daily, like, motherhood, like I am.
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Lindsay Roman
They don't leave. They don't go away.
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Evie McLeod
It is 247 and it's the best thing I've ever done. And it actually makes me really sad in some ways to like, be stopping the podcast because I'm like, wait, I have so many things I want to talk about and share, but it's okay. I will be shar still on Instagram on my personal.
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Lindsay Roman
So I was gonna say we'll get to that later, but, like, this is.
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Evie McLeod
Not the end of us.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah, yeah, we're dying, y'. All. Come on.
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Evie McLeod
We're not leaving the Internet entirely. We are just simply pivoting.
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Lindsay Roman
Pivoting, changing. Anyways, transitioning. With that being said, we'll talk about butterflies later. It'll be a good time.
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Evie McLeod
I. Yeah, I feel like I really. I stepped into motherhood last year and you stepped into a new season of motherhood with both your fourth child, but also stepping into, like, more full time, like, stay at home motherhood.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
I won't touch on that too much.
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Lindsay Roman
But I think I'll just say very, like, in one sentence. Andrew. Basically, it's ironic that, like, I've had three kids in the time that we were even, like, fully doing the heart at full capacity. And that was only because Andrew was basically stay at home dad.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
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Lindsay Roman
And as our life seasons have changed, he has stepped up and has been kind of like full time monitoring and running full time, growing our silent business.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah.
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Lindsay Roman
So that's kind of where.
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Evie McLeod
So you guys have made a bit of a shift where you not only had your fourth child, but you stepped. You guys switched roles. He's full time, like, entrepreneur, and you were.
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Lindsay Roman
And turns out, turns out parenting four children and also running multiple businesses is fricking hard.
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Evie McLeod
So I feel like for both of us, like, you hit a season of. Of that, and I hit a season of, like, oh, I'm full. Like, I'm in motherhood now. And I think for both of us, like, I felt it stirring, which, ironically, I feel like this is actually kind of similar to what happened when God led us into the downshift season, which. Go listen to that episode, because I really feel like there's a lot of really good backstory and, like, yeah, similar, like, experiences there. But, like, there were multiple times, even on maternity leave, where I was looking at Landon, I was like, whew. First of all, like, the thought of stepping into, like, not full time work, because I really have built my businesses in my work schedule where I work, like, a couple days a week, but still, like, even two full days a week, I was like, that's okay. Childcare. That's a lot. Okay, do I work during naps? So I was already feeling, like, this pull and lane. And I have had multiple conversations where I, like, sat down and was like, I literally love what I do. I love my work so freaking much. I'm not sitting here like, oh, that holds no joy, no meaning, no appeal, no, like, passion anymore. But if. If I had to choose between the two without a single doubt, without batting an eye, I would drop all business, all work, and step into motherhood. And so, like, my heart has been feeling that tug more than ever. And I think you have been feeling the exact same thing of, like, just tugged.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Speaking of tugging. Hello, Walter, Are you tugging her?
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Lindsay Roman
She's trying to make a little podcast appearance. Now is not the time, brother. Can you just be, like, vibes and a mascot?
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Evie McLeod
Silently, he said this.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
No, this is my 15 seconds of fame.
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Lindsay Roman
This is my 15 seconds of fame. No, I feel like that's ironically. I mean, y', all, if you follow this podcast at all or our stories at all, you know that, like, my story is very different to Evie's in the sense that, like, I, like, went into motherhood begrudgingly a little bit and have grown to love it over the years. And not to say I never wanted to be a mother. It was just that, like, I didn't want kids in the sense that I thought that they would ruin your life or end your life or end your Dreams or that you couldn't do. Like your dreams.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah.
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Lindsay Roman
At the same time. Yeah. Which ironically. Or like, basically. Basically, like if you had kids, it ruins your life and stops any dreams from happening. And as life has turned out. That's just not true, ladies and gentlemen.
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Evie McLeod
It's not true. And also, like, would you say. Because there's a part of me that's like, I could hear somebody being like, well, it sounds like you're stopping your dreams. Like you're pausing the podcast, you're pausing the heart. Like, you know your kids are causing that.
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Lindsay Roman
Right. But it's. It's willingly.
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Evie McLeod
I was gonna say, I feel like your dream has shifted.
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Lindsay Roman
Well, okay, so we're gonna get into this, but I feel like over the last six months, like, the shift has, like, been happening, obviously with you getting pregnant, having baby James, and me kind of stepping into, like a little bit more full time role for me and Andrew's roles. And that shift has definitely been hard. And I feel like growing and I feel like God's been growing me in. In that.
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Evie McLeod
But.
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Lindsay Roman
But simultaneously, I know it's the Lord, because if you gave me like an open Runway, like a million dollars to like, not have to do anything and like, just be like, you could do whatever you want. Lindsay, what do you want to do in this next season of life? I would literally tell you motherhood, which is insane.
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Evie McLeod
That's like a 180.
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Lindsay Roman
Like, you were like, hey, do you want to, like, have a babysitter? Like, full time?
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Evie McLeod
Like, pay like a nanny, an incredible nanny.
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Lindsay Roman
Incredible nanny that, like, lives with you and watches your children and all the things. And you could be like, girl, boss, babe, do whatever you want. Be like a podcast star, write a book. Like, all these things. I would be like, I don't want it. Wow. At least like in this season of life. And I think that's. That's just the Lord, because it's like, even if I had everything I wanted, I would still want to do that. And I'm like, that is a shift.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah. Do you feel like that shift has occurred in the last six to 12 months? Like that dramatic of a shift?
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Lindsay Roman
Yes.
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Evie McLeod
Dang.
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Lindsay Roman
Well, because. And it's not. I. I think it's like the. The realization that, well, I was going to share this later, but it feels fitting to share it now. The reason that this is coming, when it's coming, like, kind of like, like at the beginning of 2026, is we with the heart.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
We.
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Lindsay Roman
We do one workshop a year, and we were recently launching our Austin workshop, which we're so excited about. And we're like, if that's going to be the last one, like, oh, we're going to go hard. Yeah, it's going to be the best time ever.
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Evie McLeod
We're going out with a bang.
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Lindsay Roman
But we were, we were launching it and there was a mom, like, day four of like, working with Evie and Val, our social media and marketing girl, where we were just like, okay, what do we want to do? How do we want to do this? Okay, this email goes out here and then like this social post goes out here and it was just like, hustle going live, like. And again, there's elements of that that I absolutely love, but it was, it was all of that in a row. And then it was like the, the straw that broke the. Broke the camel's back was one day when I was creating a post. It was just, it was a normal post to like, market the workshop. It was like a photo dump. And it took me, I kid you not, probably four hours, which is just insane for even non launch content, but.
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Evie McLeod
It was, it was like a photo dump. And we had to go way back in the archives. So it wasn't just like, oh, I'm just pulling one photo and writing a good caption. Like, that's 14 minutes.
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Lindsay Roman
Right, right, right. But it took so long from beginning to finally being able to post it. It probably literally took three to four hours. And I had a moment where I posted that and I was like, okay, this is going out. And the goal is to hopefully get more people or get the people that are meant to be in the room for the workshop. Get them in the room. And I had a moment where I was like, I'm spending all this time. I'm spending all this time putting together content to have somebody come experience this workshop, which I believe in so much. But it is a workshop where I am pouring value and content and time and energy to empower somebody else to make someone else's life better again. Nothing wrong with that. That's literally why we do what we do.
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Evie McLeod
And we love it. And we felt so called to it.
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Lindsay Roman
For, like, yeah, we've felt called to do it in that form.
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Evie McLeod
Like, the workshop, it lights us up so much.
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Lindsay Roman
It's literally one of my favorite things I've ever done in my entire life. And I had a moment after I posted that where I was like, I'm spending all this time and energy to ultimately pour value and energy and time to make somebody else's life better. Like a stranger on the Internet who eventually becomes, like, a student and a dear friend. A dear friend. And all the things that, like, is so. Is so beautiful about this workshop. But I had a moment where I was like, I'm spending all this energy on. On strangers on the Internet. Meanwhile, the four souls that God's given me are in the living room, like, fending for self, getting the scraps of my attention.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah.
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Lindsay Roman
And I was like, something's got a effing stop. I was. It was just like a. Like a light bulb moment where I was like, what the frick am I doing? Yeah, literally, what the frick am I doing?
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Evie McLeod
Well, I think that's not only. Is like, that such a. That was such a powerful moment, I think, for you. And then when you shared it with me, I was like, yeah, like, we. But we were both already feeling it. And I think that, like, to kind of almost take a step out of, like, that was such a specific, like, God moment. But that feeling of, like, what am I doing? I. I truly, like, if I had to sum up what we've been feeling, we truly have felt like God has not only been, like, pulling us in this direction for months now, but it felt this past workshop launch. I don't even know how to explain it. This is. This is how we explained it, I think, because this is how I felt. So I'm assuming we said the same thing with the downshift. It felt like God had lifted his grace from what we were doing. And so for you, like, walking out, that's such an obviously specific moment. But it was like walking out to your living room with your four children and. And just having this moment of, like, the grace is lifted. Like, I don't feel like I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing right now, which.
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Lindsay Roman
Which what's interesting is, like, especially, like, giving the workshop, like, as an example. Sorry, I'm also going to nurse while we do this because, like, we got to do what we got to do.
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Evie McLeod
Well, I think. Yeah, I don't. I think there's just been such a grace, like, I think both of us would say we. When we. We walk in business and we've shared this before, we walk in business with God as our CEO.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
And when God's our CEO, like, we are so, like, like, feel like feeling the favor or the grace. Especially, like, in different, like, business decisions, like, should we launch this or launch this? Should we, you know, do this or this? Should we. Whatever. I, like, I feel like he is always our, like, North Star. That sounds so weird, but that's the like, that's what pops in my head. But like, he is what we are pursuing and like keeping our eyes on. And it 100 both the downshift and this like this past shift, which. This one I feel like almost. Well, no, the downshift snuck up on us too. But this one, like really, it felt like it was within a week. Yeah, it was literally within a week that we both went feeling like tug.
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Lindsay Roman
Like we had a meeting where we were like, oh, maybe let's. Okay, let's like do something maybe. Like, is video really relevant for the podcast? Maybe we just don't do video.
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Evie McLeod
We were like, maybe we trim it back some things again. Maybe we trim a little.
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Lindsay Roman
And then literally like two days later we were like, oh, okay, we're supposed to stop the whole thing.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah. It really felt like we went from like within a week, we went from feeling tugs to like complete and total clarity into complete and total peace that God was like, I'm wanting you to lay this entire down entirely for this season.
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Lindsay Roman
Well, and, and, and to clarify what, what I was going to say is, if anything, I think especially given the workshop. Bro. Bro. There you are. If anything, like every single workshop has, has been better than the last. Like it. Only it's not that I don't even believe in like the heart at all or the, the product that we're the main thing that we're doing literally the opposite. Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
Which is what I'm doing right now.
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Lindsay Roman
This is a workshop and if anything, it gets better and better every single time. And I believe in it so wholeheartedly. Like, it literally changes my life every single time. I know it changes our attendees lives. And there was a moment during this launch where I was like, like you said, the grace has lifted in the sense that like, we're gonna do this Austin workshop and it's gonna be kick ass.
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Evie McLeod
Oh, absolutely.
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Lindsay Roman
And I'm gonna love every second of it and it's gonna go great. But there was a moment during that launch where I was like, the grace has lifted. It's not that the product isn't as great as it once was. No. Like, if anything, it's not that we.
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Evie McLeod
Don'T believe in it. It's not that we don't love it. It's not that the product, God was.
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Lindsay Roman
Like, you are no longer supposed to be doing this.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah, this is your last one. Like, that's how it felt. It was like, this is your last one. And I am making this so clear in your heart, which is wild, crazy.
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Lindsay Roman
And it's just, like, I think the transition of. Of giving up something you love, even. Even if for a season. Like, I shared a lot of this with my insiders before it made its way to the public, which I guess.
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Evie McLeod
This is the public.
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Lindsay Roman
Hi, welcome.
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Evie McLeod
This is.
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Lindsay Roman
This is the announcement. And one of my insiders, Mari, she was sharing with me, and I didn't know this. The story of Joanna Gaines, apparently. How. And maybe. Probably everyone else knows this. I might need to go put him down. Let me just finish the story real fast. Mari was like, hey, did you know the story of Joanna Gaines where she. She wanted to start Magnolia? I think she, like, tried to start it, and then God was like, hey, put it down, like, because you have kids at home, like, for a season. And so while she did that, she apparently joined her husband, who was a flipper. And then look how that story ended up. And, like, not that we're all supposed to be Joanna Gaines. Not that that's, like, everybody's story, but it's a.
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Evie McLeod
It's a season. Like, just because we're laying something down right now doesn't mean that God won't start something new.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
Or that, you know, this.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Yes.
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Evie McLeod
This may be the end of a certain way that a certain thing looks in this season, but that doesn't mean that this isn't the start of something else.
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Lindsay Roman
No, but, like, it was. It was a. There's been just, like, confirmation after confirmation after confirmation of. Of, like, I, like, God, basically being, like, I am making it abundantly clear.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
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Lindsay Roman
That this is your season. Yeah. To lean into motherhood.
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Evie McLeod
Well, it's literally. It's literally. Sorry, did I interrupt you?
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Lindsay Roman
No.
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Evie McLeod
Okay, great. It literally. I was talking to Landon one night and kind of sharing. I mean, obviously, I was, like, actively sharing as the days were progressing and I was feeling things more and more. I think this was, like, a day or two before we, like, officially were like, yeah, this is what it's gonna look like. This is like, we're laying it down. And I was, like, processing with him, and I was like, well, I just, you know, maybe. And he literally looked at me and was like, do you not feel like Chris, like, what. What are you talking about?
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Lindsay Roman
Maybe he was like, I see it. Do you not?
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Evie McLeod
Well, yeah. I think we were both still trying to be like, we don't want to, like, give up. Because that's the thing is, like, I think both of us are very, like, like, determined people.
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Lindsay Roman
Like, we will.
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Evie McLeod
We will find a way to make something work.
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Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
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Evie McLeod
We are willing to work Our butts off. We're willing to be uncomfortable in a season. We're willing to, like, you know, whatever. So we were like, are we just feeling like. Like, this is hard with motherhood and should we continue or, like, shift something to make it look better or, like, work better for us? But I think literally, sweet water. Is he falling asleep and just.
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Lindsay Roman
I don't know what he's doing, but he's just like.
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Evie McLeod
Yeah, I think it was just both of us were willing and kind of, like, really taking our time. This wasn't like. I know we're saying this was a very fast decision, but it was a very intentional decision. And so we were really processing, praying, like, looking at it from every possible angle and perspective to be like, well, what if we adjusted this? What if we changed this? What if we, you know, whatever. So I was, like, in this conversation with Lane, and he was like, um, what do you mean? Maybe, like, you already know this answer. And I think it was like, the next day that I, like, talked to you, I was like, I think we both know the answer. You're like, yeah, I literally. And I think that's when you were like, yeah, last night I, like, got finished posting this stinking post for four hours, and I walked out to my kids, and I was like, what am I doing? Yeah, it was like, like, coincided where both of us came together the next day after, like, you know, whatever days of processing, we were both like, no, without a doubt. This is, like, what we're supposed to be doing.
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Lindsay Roman
Why? Also, I did, like, a long video processing it on my insiders, and I got a lot of feedback from that. But, like, one of my insiders was like, it's so clear to me that you're supposed to be doing motherhood right now. Like, maybe you're confused, but, like, I'm not. I'm sitting here being like, what? Okay, great. Like, thank you.
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Evie McLeod
Like, news.
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Lindsay Roman
Not news to me.
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Evie McLeod
I think if I. If I had to, like, sum up anything for any of our listeners right now, the thing that I would say is, do. Do life with God. Do business with God. Because truly, I can sit here and be like, two weeks ago, or maybe it was like, three weeks ago now. I don't know. Very recently, I did not have it on my radar.
- [23:20]
Lindsay Roman
No, not at all.
- [23:20]
Evie McLeod
That the heart would be pausing this year. That this would be our last workshop and. Or, you know, for the time being, or that the podcast would be pausing not even on my radar in the sense of, like, within the next few years, probably. And yet the minute we really, both of us, like, wrestled this through with God, it was so abundantly clear. Yeah. So much peace. I can't even tell, sitting here, like, sharing this like, it's bittersweet, but it is. So. I'm so confident in that decision. There is not a single doubt in my mind.
- [23:58]
Lindsay Roman
There's no, like, anxiety or. And there's sadness at, like, oh, missing the things that, like, we love. We love.
- [24:06]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [24:06]
Lindsay Roman
But it's not, like, regret or, like, oh, I don't know if I'm making the right decision. Like, there is such peace in our heart. And I feel like that. That's obviously a reason that, you know, like, God's in it, and God's telling you to do something. I also feel like. I also feel like un momento. Pause. Gotta put them down. One moment. All right, we're back.
- [24:31]
Evie McLeod
Baby is sleeping.
- [24:32]
Lindsay Roman
Baby is sleeping. Maybe questionably. I think sometimes when. When you're in a season where you're like, God, are you telling me to do something? I feel like sometimes the way that God speaks. Well, God speaks in many ways, but I feel like one of the most common is more of, like, that. That, like, quiet internal, like, gut punch or, like, conviction when, like, you're reading the Bible or you're, like. You're talking to a friend and you're like. It's like that quiet, calm spirit that's like, oh, I. I know I should do that. Or, like, oh, that. That's the Lord telling me to, like, do whatever, or. I feel peace in. In that direction or what. You know, whatever it is. And I feel like sometimes it's that. And then sometimes I feel like when you maybe feel that or. Or blow past it because you're not listening, I feel like eventually he makes it so fricking obvious and he slaps you across the face with it like, 5 million times back and forth that you're like, oh, okay, okay, I'm. I'm receiving it. Yes, sir. I understand. I am un. I'm. Yes. Okay.
- [25:34]
Evie McLeod
I'm catching up.
- [25:35]
Lindsay Roman
I'm catching up. And for me, specifically, I feel like that's what has been happening in, like, the last, like, two weeks, specifically. Obviously, there's been a longer lead up, and I feel like there may have been, like, a slow direction of, like, hey, I'm calling you to motherhood.
- [25:50]
Evie McLeod
Hey.
- [25:50]
Lindsay Roman
Hi. Like, Lindsay, me again. Just letting you know, like, life would be easier if you went in this direction. No. Okay. It's fine. You don't have to listen. Like, that's what I Feel like it's been going. And then the last few weeks, like, again, just like that revelation of, like, oh, wow. I feel like, specifically, like, after that post, being like, what am I doing? Like, God, just making it, like, so crystal clear. Like, almost like, turning down the volume of life and being like, ding, ding, ding. D. Ding, ding. Yeah. And then that was, like, confirmation enough for me of. Of, like, oh, I feel like my eyes have been opened and, like, where am I spending my time? Like, they're just getting my scraps, and that's not good enough anymore. And then simultaneously, because I'm a homeschool mom of. Well, not of four. I have four, but they're not all. Anyways, you get it. I. We've been doing this butterfly project where our friend Brooke bought Eloise, I think, last Christmas. So, like, over a year ago. Like, a butterfly growing kit where you get, like, the net, but you have to, like, order the little worms. Well, they're caterpillars, but, like, you have to order them and then they ship them to you, and then you, like, watch them grow and then change. But once they make their chrysalises, you move them into the net and all the things. Right? So, like, over the last month, we've been doing this, and it takes a month, because it takes, like, seven to 10 days just for them to go from the little tiny caterpillar state to, like, full, like, caterpillar, and then make their chrysalises, and then when you move them into their neck. Anyways, I'm getting derailed by science.
- [27:20]
Evie McLeod
Homeschool moms.
- [27:21]
Lindsay Roman
Homeschool moms. So, like, over the last, like, week and a half, when this epiphany, like, really, really became clear in my mind, the butterflies had just. Sorry. The caterpillars had just turned into their chrysalises, and we had them on our counter. So, like, this entire, like, last two weeks has been just, like, watching every single day these caterpillars, like, slowly get bigger and bigger and turn into their chrysal. And we just transitioned them into their net, and they're still in their chrysalises. So we're actively waiting, like, in real time, right, as we record this, for them to turn into their butterflies. Anyways, I didn't think anything of it. I'm like, wow, Eloise looks so fun, like, science in front of your eyes. Like, so fun. And I think I shared them on my story, like, a few days ago, and we're having breakfast, our friend Brooke comes over to, like, drop something off, and she's the one that gave Eloise the kit. And she literally was just like, as a science, like, she was just like, hey, Elle, did you know, like, you know, just like, trying to give her a science fact. She was like, when the butter or when the caterpillars make their chrysalises, like, they actually have to, like, like, eat themselves kind of, like, they turn into, like, goop, basically inside their chrysalis, and then that, like, reforms into, like, the parts that are turning into a butterfly. And Ella's just like, wow. And I was just like, oh, wow, cool. Like, I'm thinking nothing of it. I'm like, wow. Fun fact. Didn't know that. Genuinely didn't know that. And then Brooke leaves. We finished breakfast. We finished homeschool. I opened my phone, and because I had posted about the caterpillars or, like, the project, like, an hour earlier, I had a friend message me, and she was like, hey, have you read the book by Abby Halberstadt, which we've had on the podcast? Her newest book, you Bet yout Stretch Marks, which I have not read. And she was like, hey, in it, she actually talks about, like, caterpillars turning into a butterfly. I'm gonna send you the excerpt. And she sends me the excerpt. I obviously don't have it in front of my eyeballs to read to. You read the book. Her other book, Emma's For Mama, is incredible, and we've also had her on the podcast, and she's incredible. But this excerpt was basically a repeat of what Brooke had literally said, like, 20 minutes earlier. But obviously, in the scheme of, like, Abby was using it for, like, a metaphor of, like, change and how change is difficult and hard. And I'm gonna summarize probably very badly what Abby says in the book, but she basically says the science fact of, like, how caterpillars have to, like, dissolve their former selves and, like, basically get rid of everything that they were in their chrysalis to become the thing that, like, the beautiful, incredible thing that we all love, that God made them to be. And I'm sitting there and I reading that, and it was just, like, 20 minutes after Brooke said the literal same thing, obviously in a different context, but, like, the fact that they dissolve their former selves in their chrysalis. And I had a moment where I just, like, looked at the little Tupperware, like, on my counter, and I'm like, brooke gave her this kit. Eloise gave her this kit a year ago, and we just now happened to get around to buying or getting the thing. Shipped to us and having that happen on my countertop in front of my eyeballs. And I was just like, okay. And I was like, so you're saying that a caterpillar has to eat its former self and get rid of what it was and, and. And lay down everything that it was and dissolve everything that it was in its little cocoon of chrysalis in order to turn into a butterfly. And I was just like, jesus, what are you doing?
- [30:52]
Evie McLeod
Like, absolute clarity. Like, I'm tearing up.
- [30:54]
Lindsay Roman
No, literally, like when I say, like, sometimes God speaks to you in the quiet, and then sometimes he slaps you across the face. That's what I mean.
- [31:01]
Evie McLeod
This very poetic slap across the face. But, yes, well, but like, the feeling of it.
- [31:06]
Lindsay Roman
I think sometimes, like, I don't listen. Yeah, I think God speaks to us a lot. And we don't listen because we're like, life is busy. We're listening to a podcast. We're listening to it. Thank you for listening to this podcast. But, like, we're listening to audiobooks, we have music turned up. We got that Taylor Swift going like, life is chatty. And like, never. Not never. But, like, rarely do we allow ourselves quiet time to receive and, like, actually pay attention to, like, the gut, like, convictions that he's still small voice. Yes, yes. And so sometimes I feel like he probably gave me those gut convictions, like, so much, and I just blew right on past them. And so he has to give me multiple slaps via butterflies.
- [31:45]
Evie McLeod
It's like a mega megaphone. Finally, he goes from still small voice to like.
- [31:48]
Lindsay Roman
I'm like, what are the odds? In my entire life, I've never heard of the fact, the science fact, that a caterpillar has to eat itself and dissolve itself and, like, disintegrate its former self in its chrysalis. And I heard that twice from two separate people, two separate mediums in the 20 minute time span while there was five chrysalises sitting on my countertop in.
- [32:10]
Evie McLeod
The middle of a launch where you feel like God's telling you to lay.
- [32:14]
Lindsay Roman
Down a Dissolve your former self, wild man. So. So if you're wondering, like, why this is the last episode, it's because we're walking in obedience, or at least trying to. Yes. And I'm not gonna live a life where God tells me to do something and I'm gonna, like, fight him on that or. Well, actually, maybe I have done that in the past, but this is us finally listening. Maybe.
- [32:40]
Evie McLeod
I think, too, there is something to be said.
- [32:43]
Lindsay Roman
Like.
- [32:46]
Evie McLeod
In my human mind, it's Very easy for me to sit here and be like, well, I could argue that the heart is. And this business is incredibly profit potential. Like, when we. When we like, operated athletic capacity.
- [33:06]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [33:06]
Evie McLeod
When we downshifted, we stepped away from a very lucrative business and we obeyed in that. And yet we have kept it going for the last few years, both because we felt like we wanted to.
- [33:22]
Walter (the cat mascot)
We.
- [33:22]
Evie McLeod
We are so passionate about these workshops. We are so passionate about serving our community and serv. Fellow entrepreneurs and fellow photographers and giving, like, anything and everything that we know to you. But also because we were like, hey, if and when we feel ready to pick up the heart again to a fuller capacity if that time comes around, the business is still continued, like, still been going. And it's still, like, I could see some people. If you saw the behind the scenes of like our numbers or our books or our business model, I could see people being like, you're. You're walking away from that. Like, there's still. There's so much potential. Like, my human mind is like, why would you walk? Why would you do that? However, like, when you walk with the.
- [34:07]
Lindsay Roman
Lord, his mother, who doesn't pay me in dollar bills. Yeah.
- [34:11]
Evie McLeod
Yes. Okay. Yes. No, there's just something too to be said. Like, when God asks you to lay something down, it is never, ever, ever, ever, ever, because he wants to take away something good in your life and.
- [34:28]
Lindsay Roman
Or kill you, Harm.
- [34:29]
Evie McLeod
Fill it with something not good. Right. Like, yes. I don't want to say that There aren't seasons of where he asks you to surrender and then there is a season of stretching or refining or trial. Like, I never want to be like, oh, if he's asking you to lay something down, it is immediate sunshine and rainbows on the other side. I'm not saying that, but I know. And, you know, like, Lindsay and I both can sit here and be like, he is asking us to lay something down and he will, without a shadow of a doubt, turn us from a caterpillar into a butterfly. And so for us, there is not a question. If he. If we are confident in him asking this of us, which we are, then we are going to obey. Because there is only ever better on the other side of this obedience. Don't fully know exactly what that looks like other than no.
- [35:17]
Lindsay Roman
It feels like I'm walking off a fricking cliff.
- [35:20]
Evie McLeod
I mean, motherhood, like, you could say, like, yes, stepping, you know, giving more attention to motherhood. Like, logically, I could be like, yes, I know that, you know, is. Is more of a blessing and abundance but also like as entrepreneurs, as business owners, there's still like a tiny bit of us that's like, well, okay, so what does that area look like?
- [35:36]
Lindsay Roman
Well, also I'm like in my brain, in my logical brain, I'm like, okay, God. So I'm laying everything down and like fully releasing like the, the money making pants to Andrew, which ironically is like probably more traditional. But we've just never had that dynamic before. And it's really forcing me to have to let go of the identity of like breadwinner or the identity of like successful entrepreneurs. Like, like that, that cannot be my identity. That can be part of seasons of life and like skills that I'm good at, but like, it can never be part of like what makes me me. Because if I'm idolizing that above being a child of God. Yeah, like that's, that's only gonna be harmful in my life. And so there is like definitely a stretching season where Andrew and I joked like personally that we've, we felt like God's been telling us to both do both, meaning that we both watch the children and both work at the same time. Like we both like kind of balance like tag team, tag teaming. Both like working and both watching kids. And there was a chat that we had a few nights ago where he was like, I think it is both do both, but not in the way we thought. I think it's actually that God wants us to be skilled in both roles. And so far in life I've been a real kick ass dad and you've been a real good business boss lady. Like so good. And he's like, I think he wants to grow me and stretch me in entrepreneurship and like learning the skills to like like run a business and like grow it. And he wants you to learn to like stretch and be like, how can you cultivate like their hearts and like homeschooling and learning to like mother them in a way that you, you can't as much when you're like split focus.
- [37:30]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [37:31]
Lindsay Roman
And this is me personally whenever I have a business like launch or project in front of me because I love it and because maybe I'm selfish.
- [37:39]
Evie McLeod
Lol.
- [37:39]
Lindsay Roman
I don't know. But like I, I will like naturally prioritize that and like, and I think I saw that visually when I was.
- [37:46]
Evie McLeod
Like doing this last, doing that post.
- [37:48]
Lindsay Roman
And, and obviously many other things. But like that post was just like letting them just like, and that's not to say that like you have to like play with your children every second of every day. Well, it's also not mean, like, say.
- [38:00]
Evie McLeod
That there isn't a season. If God is calling you to a season of entrepreneurship right now, that there might be a time where he's like.
- [38:07]
Lindsay Roman
You have to balance it.
- [38:08]
Evie McLeod
Yeah.
- [38:09]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [38:09]
Evie McLeod
It's not to say that that was inherently wrong. It was wrong for you in that season and God. Clear. Right, Right.
- [38:16]
Lindsay Roman
That's. Yes. Because if you're listening to this and you're not in that season, you can be like, well, I. I am balancing that. Is that evil? No, not at all.
- [38:23]
Evie McLeod
And that's not what we're saying. God, there is a grace. I guarantee, if God is calling you to that season, there is such an abundant grace on that season. And even though it may still be hard, if you feel peace that that's where you're supposed to be right now, and you feel confident that's where God has you, then, like, that is exactly where you're supposed to be.
- [38:37]
Lindsay Roman
100, 100%. So that's where we're at. So I'll speak for myself. I feel like as of right now, we feel such peace to, like, specifically lay down the podcast and stop the workshops. As far as, like, my personal business goes, I'm still navigating that. I think right now in this season of life, I'm going to be putting a pause on photography and coaching. I don't know when to what capacity, though.
- [39:08]
Evie McLeod
Like, are you just not, like, grinding at it? But whatever leads and business comes your way.
- [39:13]
Lindsay Roman
I think for me personally, there was, there was a. Because I made a reel that may or may not be posted at this point in time when this comes out, I don't know yet, but, like, I was like, I'm a mom of four and it's requiring, like, lots of momming. Like, momming is like, so it's full time, heavily full time at 4, when your husband is like, full time working that. I was like, there's an element of, of business being slow because I just don't have the capacity to do the things that I know need to be done at the level that I once did them or just in general at all. And I felt like, guilt for not being able to do them because I'm like, well, they have to come for, like, the kids have to come first. And I want to give them the first of me, like, the biggest part of me. And that's not to say you can't balance it, but there's a limitation that, that every time I've, I've felt like, well, God, I can grind. Like, I Can work at night. Like, I can work during nap times. And obviously I do those things to an extent. But every time I'm like thinking like, okay, God, like, what if I push the gas even more to do both? That's where like that gut check has been. Like, no, full stop. Like, no, no.
- [40:25]
Evie McLeod
So then what you're navigating right now. Okay, so what does it look like to not press the gas hard. But I'm not sure if I'm supposed to slam on the brakes in, in that, like, if I got a wedding inquiry and it.
- [40:36]
Lindsay Roman
And it worked, I. I'd probably take it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But I think for me, what this pause looks like is a release of the pressure to try to do all the things in my mind that I know I need to do to be like a full time wedding. Not even a full time, like a part time wedding photographer or coach or like anything of that. Like, I, I think for me that probably looks like putting a pause on marketing for photography and coaching. I feel really at peace with keeping insiders. That's my membership. Because that works really, really well with motherhood.
- [41:11]
Evie McLeod
And there's coaching within that.
- [41:13]
Lindsay Roman
There is coaching within that. So that, that feels like that can co. Align like more easily in my brain. And then what really excites me is turning my Instagram account into like more of a motherhood content because it reflects my real life versus, like me trying to be like this cool luxury girl that I'm just like, simply not.
- [41:33]
Evie McLeod
You're cool.
- [41:34]
Lindsay Roman
I thank you for saying that. But like, you know what I'm saying, like, it just like there's just been a disconnect that I'm like, I feel so fully aligned when I could just like show up, talk about homeschool, talk about Jesus, talk about Hillary Duff back on tour. Like, whoa. Like, you know, like there's just like things like that that I'm like, I just want to be me. And that feels so aligned.
- [41:50]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [41:51]
Lindsay Roman
And it feels free. Like this weight has been lifted.
- [41:53]
Evie McLeod
Yeah.
- [41:53]
Lindsay Roman
So again, I don't know what that looks like specifically.
- [41:55]
Evie McLeod
Yeah.
- [41:55]
Lindsay Roman
But that's what we're. Now you're getting this in real time.
- [41:58]
Evie McLeod
Yeah. I still think we're airing this like.
- [42:01]
Lindsay Roman
A few days after we're recording it possibly. So.
- [42:05]
Evie McLeod
Yeah, it's still kind of fresh.
- [42:06]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [42:07]
Evie McLeod
So that's where you're at.
- [42:08]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [42:08]
Evie McLeod
I'm in a slightly different, like, obviously similar in the sense we have one.
- [42:12]
Lindsay Roman
Kid, which in, in kid math means zero kids.
- [42:15]
Evie McLeod
Although I'm joking No, I know. I know what you're. We talked about this because there's a reel that we both saw that is like, so true.
- [42:21]
Lindsay Roman
She's not to minimize all the hardness that one kid is.
- [42:23]
Evie McLeod
No, because she was like, like, when you have one kid, it feels like you have 10 kids. When you have two kids, it feels like you have one kid. And she was like walking through and she's like, when you have four kids, it feels like you have one, two kids or something. It was like.
- [42:33]
Lindsay Roman
Well, no, I think she was like, when you have three kids, it feels like you have three or four kids. And then she was like, but you, but you look at the one kid and you're like, that's no kids.
- [42:42]
Evie McLeod
Yeah, you're like, you're like, I go back to having like one kid with me, like the youngest with me, and I have zero kids. And that is. I fully see that being so true.
- [42:50]
Lindsay Roman
Because I'm like, your capacity grows with you.
- [42:51]
Evie McLeod
I'm like, I have one kid and it feels like multiple kids. However, I know for a fact that this is the easiest I'm ever gonna have it and that there really is so much freedom here. So it's like I. I can laugh at it and also be like, yeah, but it. I'm not gonna lie, it doesn't feel like zero kids right now. I'm still figuring this out. Anyways, I'm in a slightly different place with it in the sense that I feel the same exact page with like the pausing the heart, like pausing the workshops and pausing the podcast. However, I still feel so much peace and grace on continuing what I've been doing and how my businesses have been operating with, with business coaching and with wedding photography. And I think that if I had to guess, obviously I would have said the same thing like four weeks ago with the heart. But if I had to guess, I think that will probably continue in the same, like, kind of looking very similar for a. A few more years at least. We'll see if that even shifts in a few more years. But at least for the time being, I'm still coaching. Like, I don't want to say full time, but like, my coaching calendar is pretty full one day a week. Like multiple students. And I still take a handful of select higher end, I guess, wedding clients. Like, I'm still shooting more in the high end luxury market, but only a few weddings a year, which is what I've done for several years. So my business on like, my personal side, like Evie McLeod Brand, will stay very much the same. I Think. But the heart, I think, will be a pause. And I feel a lot of peace on that.
- [44:23]
Lindsay Roman
So, yeah, we hinted this, I think, at the beginning, but, like, we're not going anywhere in the scheme of, like, you will still see us.
- [44:30]
Evie McLeod
We're away.
- [44:32]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [44:32]
Evie McLeod
And I think I was talking to Brandon because I was, like, talking about this podcast and I was like, man, it's so bittersweet because it is a lot of work. And, like, part of me is like, okay, there is an element of, like, the workload being taken off that is like, a little bit of a relief. Just like, oh, there's less work to do.
- [44:47]
Lindsay Roman
You.
- [44:48]
Evie McLeod
But I was like, but my. I'm heartbroken because I have so much to say. I'm a yapper, babe. Like, I have so much I want.
- [44:54]
Lindsay Roman
To say, but I feel like social long form content, or even like, substack, if you want to write. Yes. Like, there's so many different forms of long form content other than podcasts.
- [45:02]
Evie McLeod
I think I get so much of my, like, my thoughts out on the podcast that I actually feel like pausing the podcast will bring it back to social. Like, I think. I think I will be, like, posting a lot more on, like, captions, stories, reels, whatever. Like, substack, maybe. Who knows? Like, I have too much to say. I'm not going anywhere. I'm talking same and Lindsay is too.
- [45:24]
Lindsay Roman
Just in a different format. So this isn't goodbye. This is just not. Not in your earbuds in the same way. I don't know.
- [45:33]
Evie McLeod
This isn't goodbye. This is something different.
- [45:37]
Lindsay Roman
That. All that to say, the. The part that, like, does make me so sad is Austin being the last workshop. And if you're like, wait, what is Austin? What is. What is this? If you didn't hear, we are hosting the heart workshop and we're bringing it to good old Austin, Texas.
- [45:54]
Evie McLeod
Yeehaw.
- [45:54]
Lindsay Roman
April 20th to 24th.
- [45:56]
Evie McLeod
Yes.
- [45:57]
Lindsay Roman
Did you say yeehaw?
- [45:58]
Evie McLeod
Yes, I did.
- [45:59]
Lindsay Roman
That's amazing. As of right now, tickets are not sold out, so there is still a few more. Yes.
- [46:07]
Evie McLeod
It's.
- [46:07]
Lindsay Roman
If you're listening to this and you've always been in that camp of, like, I will go to the next one. Like, I will make it there someday.
- [46:17]
Evie McLeod
Can I be brutally honest?
- [46:18]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [46:19]
Evie McLeod
We have thousands of people in our community that literally tell us every time we open a workshop that this one is just a little tough for one reason or another, which I totally get. Like, I'm not dissing that. And they're like, I will be at the next one. We Just want to be crystal clear. As of right now, there will not be. There will be no next one. So if you want to come to a heart workshop before we retire them for now, possibly down the road, God could prompt us to reopen them. Like, we don't want to be like, this is the last one. We'll never do another ever, ever, ever.
- [46:52]
Lindsay Roman
But in my opinion, can I be also more brutally honest? I feel like if I'm looking realistic at life, if we're putting a pause now, a pause now on them and going into mother, and I'm like, I want eight kids. Well, yeah, I could see us doing something in, like, five to six years, but it's like, it's maybe not for photographer. Like, I could see something where, like, we do an event of some sort for, like, women.
- [47:15]
Evie McLeod
Or possibly, possibly the workshop could come back, we both pick up photography again in, like, eight to 10 years. We love it. Whatever.
- [47:22]
Lindsay Roman
We love it.
- [47:23]
Evie McLeod
Yeah.
- [47:24]
Lindsay Roman
But if you've been in that camp of, like, I will come next year. I'm gonna make it happen next year. I can confidently, like, there will not be be another one this year. There will not be one next year. I can.
- [47:34]
Evie McLeod
Or without a doubt.
- [47:35]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [47:36]
Evie McLeod
And who knows? Like, if there is another one, we have no idea when. It could be 10 years down the road and it could be.
- [47:41]
Lindsay Roman
And that's not me trying to, like, have a marketing tactic to, like, get you to come. I don't want you to come if you don't want to come, but if you want to come, and you've always been in this camp of, like, I'm going to wait till the next one. We wanted to be honest, like, when we were talking about this, Evie was like, if I was in their shoes and I really wanted to come, and you didn't tell me that it was the last one until after the workshop already happened.
- [48:01]
Evie McLeod
Like, after so mad.
- [48:02]
Lindsay Roman
Too late. Yeah. You were like, I would be livid.
- [48:04]
Evie McLeod
I would be devastated. And that's. That's not to say that, like, oh.
- [48:08]
Walter (the cat mascot)
We'Re gonna make you devastated by pausing.
- [48:09]
Evie McLeod
That, like, that's not coming from, like, an arrogant place. But if there was. If there was a workshop that I was like, I would love to attend this one day. And I didn't find out until it was past an opportunity for me to make it work, to be like, okay, I'm going to skip that trip that I was planning to go on. I'm gonna put that budget towards this. Or, like, I was going to new lens, but I can still rent that for my weddings, for the next, you know, five weddings or whatever, and go to this workshop, like, if I wasn't given the opportunity to try to shift things around to make it happen, I would be super bummed. I would be so sad. So that's where we're coming from. It's not to a. To a manipulative thing. It's not a. A marketing tactic from our end, obviously. Like, we're. We're in a season of, like, God's telling us to lay this down.
- [48:55]
Lindsay Roman
But.
- [48:55]
Evie McLeod
But the crazy thing is there are still a few tickets left, which is wild for our workshops in a lot of ways and is really cool then to be able to come and be like, hey, this is our last one. And there are still a few chances for photographers to get in that door before we close it. Yeah, that's where we're at, friends.
- [49:14]
Lindsay Roman
Deep breaths, deep breaths. Something that we wanted to do to end this, which I hope this doesn't make me cry.
- [49:22]
Evie McLeod
Oh, I will. Almost confidently.
- [49:25]
Lindsay Roman
Before we started recording to do this podcast, we were talking and I was like, evie, I feel like if this is the last episode as we know it, if we're pausing, we could. I can't talk so totally come back in the future, maybe. Who knows? But if this is the last episode of the Heart Knows the podcast, something that we have always led with, that we've always tried to do in our own personal businesses and especially with the Hart University, is lead it with the Lord.
- [49:51]
Evie McLeod
Yeah.
- [49:52]
Lindsay Roman
And so we wanted to pray for you guys and end this episode, end this podcast, end this long season, if we want to call it a season, just praying over you, praying over your business, praying over your life and praying that God just fills you with so much peace and. Well, I'll just stop talking.
- [50:15]
Evie McLeod
I was going to say just start praying.
- [50:16]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah, let's just pray. Okay.
- [50:17]
Evie McLeod
I'm already tearing up.
- [50:18]
Lindsay Roman
So we're gonna do this. We're just gonna be. Bop back and forth or whatever. We're just gonna do this as if you were sitting across from us at coffee and I was holding your hand and praying over you. So, dear Jesus, I just pray for every single girl, every single man. I'm not excluding them, but every single person that's listening to this podcast episode right now. God, I just pray that you would be with them, that you would just release them into their life. God, that whatever they are dealing with in this season, that you would just give them grace, that you would give them just a spirit of confidence and thriving. God, God, I pray that whatever they came to this podcast for, God, whether it was education, whether it was entertainment, whether it was inspiration, any of the above or something else entirely, God, that you would just give them like a fuel of that, God, just in droves, Jesus, I just pray that you would just bless them, bless their business, bless their lives, God, help them to just lead with that confidence that only comes from you, Jesus, and that you just would be with them, that you would just bless them and just so abundantly, Jesus, in what they're doing, that they would just know that it comes from you, God, that God, I just pray that they would have such faith and such confidence, God, to pray big, audacious, bold prayers in their life over their business, over their children, over their families, God, over just their homes, God, I pray that you would just bless them in every single aspect of their lives.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Jesus.
- [51:49]
Lindsay Roman
Jesus, yeah.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Lord, we thank you for each and every listener who has given their time to come and sit and chat with us in life and business and all the things. God, we thank you for just their heart and that we have been able to walk through so many years with so many incredible friends on this platform. God, I just pray a release of your favorite over them, over each and every one of our listeners, over each and every one of their businesses, and over each and every one of their families. God, I just pray for your blessing to rest, to fall, to abide in their homes, in their businesses, God, that you would just reveal yourself, that their walks with you would deepen, that their. Their confidence in you and their ability to hear you, to walk with you, to do business with you, to do life with, would just increase exponentially, God, in this season, that you would bring just so much clarity to them into their season. And if this podcast stirred up anything one way or another, whether it made them feel a call to step into.
- [53:07]
Evie McLeod
Business further or possibly it resonated with.
- [53:10]
Walter (the cat mascot)
What you've been speaking in their hearts. God, I just pray that you would just have your hand on that, that you would continue to speak into that, whatever you are calling them into in this season, that you would just be in it with them, Lord, that you would just reveal yourself and your will and that their hearts would just skip a beat hearing you, Father, today, tomorrow and next week, that you would just step alongside them and their families. God, I just pray for anyone listening.
- [53:39]
Evie McLeod
To this who is in a family.
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Walter (the cat mascot)
Right now, Father, that you would just bless their relationships with their children, spouses, parents, siblings, God, that you would just pour favor upon it because you are in families, God, and you have such a calling for families, for relationships, and that is the tug that we are feeling in this season, God. So I pray just a blessing of that over our listeners in that specific area. Father Jesus, I just want to thank.
- [54:10]
Lindsay Roman
You for every single listener that has ever tuned into this show, either once or for every single episode. God, thank you so much for the blessing that it's been, that this business has been, that the Heart University has been, that this podcast has been, that these friends and listeners have been on our lives, God. They have changed our lives in every way possible, God. And I just thank you for giving us this platform, for allowing us to blab and have people care about it. God, I'm just so humbled and honored that you care about our dreams and you care about just the. The small, like, joys in our heart that we. We dream up and that we want to do, God. And you don't look that aside, and you don't think that that's meaningless, God. And that you just. You honor those dreams. And, God, I just want to thank you so much for allowing this dream to just be a reality. Like, I'm just, like, blown away at the places that you've taken us to with the heart. Like, from Hawaii to Paris to, like, Dallas, Texas. Like, you've just taken us so many different places, God. And. And it's just been such an honor and a joy to walk alongside you and to walk alongside my best friend doing this, and just to meet so many incredible people along this journey. God, I just thank you so much for the gift that it's been, and I'm really, really excited for both Evie and I. What is in our future, God. But also what's in the future for our listeners, Jesus. And so I just. I just pray over them right now. I pray over Evie, and I pray over myself, God, that you would just give all of us grace and just help that this ending is bittersweet, but it is sweet in the sense that there is so much goodness on the other side of an ending. Amen.
- [56:02]
Evie McLeod
Yes, Lord. Okay, well, now that I've cried. Now that we've cried, I am very excited for Austin.
- [56:14]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah. Oh, it's gonna go so hard, actually.
- [56:17]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yeah.
- [56:18]
Evie McLeod
And I'm gonna. It's gonna.
- [56:20]
Lindsay Roman
No, no, don't, don't. Because you're gonna wreck me. Because, like, actively going into a workshop, knowing it will be the last one. No, no, no. I don't want to experience. I do, but I don't.
- [56:30]
Evie McLeod
That's gonna be on it. I can already, like, I just know that's it's gonna be such a good one.
- [56:37]
Lindsay Roman
No, that just wrecked me because I'm, like, in my brain. In my brain, I wouldn't actively know when the last one would be before it happens.
- [56:47]
Evie McLeod
Oh, we know. Okay. Well, that's see you in Austin, maybe. But we also see you on Instagram. We're not going anywhere. Just shifting where and how.
- [57:00]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for being here.
- [57:03]
Evie McLeod
Yes.
- [57:03]
Lindsay Roman
We don't take it lightly that you've, like, allowed us into your car, into your earbuds, while you're doing the dishes.
- [57:09]
Evie McLeod
Your home, into your family, into your business. It means the world to us.
- [57:13]
Lindsay Roman
And again, we're not going anywhere as far as, like, the Internet, just in this capacity.
- [57:18]
Walter (the cat mascot)
Yes.
- [57:19]
Lindsay Roman
Yeah.
- [57:20]
Walter (the cat mascot)
All right.
- [57:21]
Evie McLeod
I was about to say we'll see you on the next episode. We will see you on Instagram when we see you. All right.
- [57:28]
Lindsay Roman
We love you, friend Sam.