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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
Aaron Rodgers and sponsorship backlash, Should the NFL get rid of the hard cap, Is Kyle Shanahan overrated
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Katie Couric
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Katie Couric
Latest episode of Next Question with me, Katie Couric I sat down with Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas. She's holding down the fort for her party in one of the most conservative states in the union. I think that ultimately who will become the Democratic nominee for president will be someone that has been out there and has shown that they won't allow themselves to be punched and just say thank you will punch back. Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Pretty Private with ebony, the podcast where silence is broken and stories are set free. I'm ebony, and every Tuesday I'll be sharing all new anonymous stories that would challenge your perceptions and give you new insight on the people around you. Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. The OGs of uncensored motherhood are back and badder than ever. I'm Erica. And I'm Mila, and we're the hosts of the Good Moms Bad Choices Podcast brought to you by the Black Effect Podcast Network every Wednesday. Yeah, we're moms, but not your mommy. Historically, men talk too much and women have quietly listened, and all that stops Here, if you like witty, then this is your tribe. Listen to the Good Moms Bad Choices podcast every Wednesday on the Black Effect podcast network, the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you go to find your podcast.
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John Middlekauff
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Ebony
What is up everybody? How are we doing? I made a mistake where I did not bring a piece of my traveling audio equipment. It's basically the thing that holds everything together. It connects my mic, which is like a mic that, you know, a high level mic that you would use in the studio, to my computer. It's this contrapment called a H4 Zoom recorder and I left it on my desk. So I had to improvise. I had limitations on what I could get. Immediately I had to go with a USB mic, which is horrendous. So I apologize for the audio. Mike Malone, the old Denver Nuggets, won a championship with Jokic, with Joker, once said when he was the King's head coach, he hated when any player ever said my bad. He said, my bad. Get your ass kicked. He was so right. Because it's like when someone says my bad, like I dropped a ball. My bad. You screw up at work. My bad. No shit. We know you did it. You know this is my fault, but you don't need me to tell you that because you can hear it. The audio quality is not up to the three and out middle cough standards, but I didn't have any other options. Somehow I'm staying across the street from a target and it might be in. I haven't been to, I don't know, 50 targets in my life in various states, in various places from Hawaii to Philly to California. It's the worst target I've ever seen in terms of electronic section. It was a joke, so it didn't help me out much. I didn't have time with Amazon, so this USB mic is going to have to work. So again, apologize. I'd say my bad, but we don't say that in my family because we know it's your bad. I screwed up. So let's dive in. We're going to do a mailbag. Onmiddalcoff JohnMiddelkoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on this little old podcast. Happy 4th of July week. Hope you're having a good time. Enjoy yourself. A nice pool, a nice lake, a nice ocean, some cocktails, some beers, your family, some hot dogs. Is there anything better than a good hot dog? A brewski like 9am on, on 4th of July. So hopefully everyone's having a good week. A better week than. Than Malik Beasley. I saw you just the dudes. The dude was in debt over his ass. He is. Obviously was in deep with gambling. If one big J writes an article and blames anyone but Malik Beasley in this situation, I just googled it before we hopped on. You know, people love blaming gambling. I've been gambling for 20 years. He's made $60 million and he's 28 years old. I do not want to hear anything from anyone blaming anyone but that guy. Because it'd be one thing, you know, Malik Beasley, young player, only made a couple million dollars, made some bad decisions. I'm like, listen. Could listen. 23 years old, I could. $60 million in career earnings and he was on pace to make another 50 in this next contract. I'm sorry, bro. I don't want to read one article on the athletic about, like pointing the finger at someone else but that guy. But before we dive into some football, God, it's head scratching. I need to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. Game Time. Best in the business. They use them for everything from games you want to go to a baseball game you want to go to a football game, concerts, comedy shows, you name it. Just take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use the code JOHN for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem the code johohn for $20 off. Download the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. Okay, let's do some mailbag questions. Ohnmiddelkoff Mailbag questions. Easy at John. Middle cuff. Sebastian, Just checking to see if you saw this. Not sure if you answered this already, but I'll add to it. Which quarterback would you have called had you had just taken over the Raiders? I think what he might be referring to is we had on John Spitet, the GM of the Raiders, and he made like, I don't want to say an offhanded joke because he was kind of serious, but he said people their job might hit the floor. Or maybe he'd be embarrassed to say maybe that's what it was. Maybe he was like, I'd be embarrassed to admit who we called in our pursuit of quarterbacks. And then I kind of threw in the jab. Like you called Andy Reid about Mahomes and he said no. But then I started thinking, what quarterbacks could he have called? That would have been pretty insane, right? Like Would he have called on Lamar Jackson? Probably pretty doubtful. Would he have called on Josh Allen? Probably pretty doubtful. So I think it's fair to say Mahomes, Josh, Lamar in their own little category. I, I don't think you'd waste that call if you were him because you just know. Even if you offered Max Crosby and seven first rounders, which I actually think, I think I read one time or I heard on someone say that the max you can offer is four, even though I think the most we've ever seen is three, which is weird because you could offer your entire draft but you can only offer four first rounders. Could be wrong on that because I don't think we're ever going to see that. But I would imagine you call in Joe Burrow. Cincinnati is a weird place now. I think you have a good idea what they're going to say. No, but I think that is the one elite quarterback in which you would call and you're okay obviously getting, you know, you're probably going to get a hell no hang up. But it's just that place is fucking weird. And once upon a time Carson Palmer ended up on the Raiders from the Cincinnati Bengals. So you just never say never. Justin Herbert? No chance because he's in the division. You wouldn't make that call like C.J. stroud, Jaden Daniels. Probably not. Then I think you start getting in the world of like Brock Purdy, Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, you probably Kyler Murray, kind of that kind of group, you know, Jalen Hurts just one. You probably not calling him, but I would imagine anywhere from six to like 15, you're calling on every one of those guys and you end up with Geno Smith. So I would call on all those guys, but I think Burrows, the one elite guy that you're just like, hey, why don't we just place a call? What are we going to lose? Mike Brown getting mad at me? Who cares? Aaron Rodgers on Aaron Rodgers. Do you think the sponsors like State Farm knew he was weird? If they knew he was weird, they would have given him the deals. I knew once his immunization comment he was done being a double check guy. I think he would have made less had he had the endorsement money he made. I think he would have made less than had he. I'm not quite sure what that means. You think he would have made less in the NFL? My husband told me, don't bother on the Enigma. Waste of time and can't see him the same. Yeah, I mean, I think culturally the time it was A very, like, if you said I would never get a COVID vaccine in 2025, absolutely no one would give a shit. And 90% of people would be like, yeah, anyone under like 60? Like, yeah, I'm not letting that touch my body either in 2025, but in 2020, you know, it's all about the timing, culturally, the way he was on the forefront of that. It was a very hot button issue at the time and only one message was allowed. You know, things. Think culturally how different things are now. Right. I actually see a lot of people going the opposite way. I'm not even just talking about the immunization thing, but just in society, what flies, what doesn't fly. So a lot matters at the point in time you're at. Right. And everything in 2020, 2021. Honestly, I didn't even notice. I mean, it's clear he hasn't been on these whatever commercials in a while, but in terms of at that time when they dropped them, he was just getting crushed. And it was for like, I'm in agreement it was over the COVID stuff, but I don't think, I just think it was a time and a place and it was such a hot button issue. And he was the most famous guy in the NFL. Do you know this? That like Sean Payton, Kyle Shanahan, Gruden, Andy Reid, there was like six or seven of them that kept getting fined. Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan were getting fined constantly for not wearing the masks and pulling it down all the time. And they refused to pay. They never paid. And somehow like they told Gruden because Gruden ended up cutting the league like $100,000 check. And Sean Payton told him on a phone call, like, you're fucking nuts. They'd have to come to Chase bank and fight me over that money. So it's like, it's not like anyone took away Sean Payton's juice or earning power. I mean, he had a movie made about him. So I, I don't know. I think some of that stuff's stupid. And listen, you like your marketing power for Aaron Rodgers. He probably cashed in pretty big time, you know. Now if you're these corporations, like they like things pretty cookie cutter. And when they're going to pay you a lot of money, they need you to buy into whatever they're doing. And State Farm doesn't want controversy regardless. Like politically, who knows what the people running their campaign politically think or care. They might be completely aligned, but they don't want to have to deal with that. So it's just I don't want to deal with anything. I want everything as straight as possible. Like Patrick Mahomes, pretty easy. Corporate partner, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. It's like they're just not that controversial. They just don't say anything, which you could say is kind of fake in the sense that they actually have beliefs. There are things that if they said would make major headlines, but for them it's just not worth it. And where I would defend them is like, why do you want to deal with the. And I actually hate this term media backlash. Like what does that mean in 2025? Honestly, like the newspapers. I don't know one person that reads a newspaper beside my 75 year old mother. So it's like, who are social media? You know, are we at the point where if you're a corporation, you still care about what the comments say on fucking Twitter, I mean Instagram. But maybe they do and some clearly care more than others and they don't want to deal with any of that shit. And when it goes wrong, whichever way, it can become a major pain in the ass. The shows this summer have been excellent. I'm especially am fascinated by the business and finances of the organizations and how it impacts the play on the field. Question, do you think the emergence of private equity investment is a potential game changer? I see it as a vital lifeline potentially for family owned organizations like the Bears and Cowboys. Big brands without a lot of cash on hand. I think Jerry has a lot of cash on hand. I can't speak for the Bears, but I wouldn't put Jerry, you're correct, where they are still considered a mom and pop shop. It's a family owned business, but in terms of cash revenue, Walmart was a family owned operation. For a while they were printing cash like they were the number one company in the world. Bezos was leading the charge at Amazon early on. I wouldn't call it a mom and pop operation, but it was like his operation. I put the Cowboys in kind of a unique place. But like you said, it's not like Jerry started Microsoft or has all these other companies that generated him revenue like some of these other people. Steve Ballmer I saw on a podcast recently said that his dividends from Microsoft obviously can change a little bit on a yearly basis. Have recently paid him over a billion dollars a year. Just the dividends of his stock. Think about that. So you know, sometimes, and I'm guilty of this, like, oh, Ballmer's got more money than everyone else. When you hear that, you're like, jesus, how could. So he's already purchased the team cash, right? He already built the building and then he just has this side revenue stream of dividends. That's pretty fucking nuts. I mean it truly. That's pretty crazy. That's when he said that and you just really kind of started to think about it. You're like, God, the Clippers. No wonder Jeannie had to sell because they're going to get to a point. I just saw Shay Gildas Alexander, he's making $70 million a year. I think a big reason all these NBA owners sold. Granted, they 10 20x their money because the expenses were about to go and they are currently through the roof, right? You have three or four guys, multiple guys in your team making 50, 60, $70 million. So you have three human beings accounting for potentially $150 million. Where in the NFL your salary cap, even at once it gets to $300 million. It is a group of 55 guys, right? 53, 45, whatever. The number varies team to team because you got some injured guys, you got whatever. But it is a larger group of players. So just statistically, you have a better chance of injuries and balancing it out. And the money you get from TV always pays for that. We're in the NBA, it's a little more. Obviously they're making enough money to pay the players, but it's a little. Clearly a little more fickle. So I think why a lot of these NBA teams paid or bought, you're sold out because the money was so huge. Same thing like you said with the NFL, because it just helps them breathe a little bit. I will defend. I'm always critical of rich people, like super rich people, right? Not. I'm not talking like guys worth a million dollars and still counts the tip on a calculator. Like, I, I get it. But if you are worth $500 million and you're like stiff and a waiter over a $20 tip or something, like, you're a fucking loser, you know? And we see some of these owners who are just. Who are, who are frugal to the max. It's like, guys, your television revenue is paying you $450 million a year. Your player salaries are 275 million. You do the math. You are guaranteed to win. You can't pay everyone in your building enough money to even come close to not making a 30% guaranteed profit on just that television revenue alone. Where I just think it makes people uncomfortable. And listen, some of these guys also, they get leverage, they make other investments. Like, I follow the Niners pretty closely, and they have invested heavily into international soccer. Well, that's not cheap. You know, Jerry, we just had a family friend who was hanging out in Italy that just saw Jerry Jones's yacht, right? I mean, I just was actually watching this yacht show on Amazon Prime. I'm not really into, like, if you're like, hey, John, you're worth a billion dollars, would you want a 50 million dollar yacht? My answer would be no. I don't really mess with the ocean. I like looking at it like having a cocktail on the beach, looking at it. Would not want to be on the ocean with a yacht. But these yachts, the show, like, I mean, these rich people are paying 50 to $100 million for a yacht, and you start having some of these expenses. And I think most human beings can't relate. As you start making a little bit more money, your lifestyle usually changes a little bit because you just upsell yourself in a bunch of different things. And all of a sudden, yeah, you might have gone from 50 grand to 100 grand. But over a couple years, like, I don't even feel like I have any more money. Where you go from like 100 grand and then all of a sudden, five years later, you're making 200 grand, you're like, it's not like I feel a lot richer because your expenses go up. And I do wonder the private equity, My question is less about a cash influx. It's like, okay, I get $600 million or $800 million. Are you actually using that money to fund these contracts? Or did you use that money to just feel better about yourself? Have money, I don't know, in some sort of fund that pays you 6, 7% where you can make a lot of money? I don't know. That to me, is a million dollar question that truly only these owners would know and would talk. Pro golfers drive for show, but they putt for dough. The easiest shot for you to make some dough, betting on this week's tournament at DraftKings Sportsbook. From the opening round through Sunday, DraftKings Sportsbook has you covered with live betting, player props, and so much more. I bet on golf every single week. Couple guys I like this week at the John Deere, Michael Kim, you can get +362, top 10, obviously line subject to change, as well as Mark Hubbard, who has been playing well, you can get him at plus 400. 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Katie Couric
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John Middlekauff
Many of them are in fear of their political lives, and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents, and there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever.
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Katie Couric
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Katie Couric
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Ebony
Stumbled upon Collins Feed a few years ago and have been a fan ever since. Thank you Mike. While I love the hard cap in the NFL, I think some flexibility would make the league better. Imagine that the bottom five teams were allowed to go 20% over the cap and 6 to 10 were allowed to go 10%. Do you think it would help shift franchises like the Panthers, Browns, Giants, Saints to get out of the gutter? Well, let's use the Browns as an example. Jimmy Haslam spent more actual cash than any owner over the last, I think four years. I think in terms of actual Cash, not like the salary cap and like the cap hits. I'm saying actual cash to players. I remember reading an Athletic article. I'm pretty sure it was over a billion dollars over the course of 21, 22, 23 and 24. No owner in the NFL Jeffrey Lurie, Jerry Jones, who's not even that high. The Niners like the high paying teams spent as much as Jimmy Haslam. So just because there's a hard cap doesn't mean that you can't give more cash. So Jimmy Haslam has tried to do that and hasn't worked. David Tepper could easily do that and it just, it hasn't worked. Like you've got to get the coach. The reason the Panthers have lost is not because they don't try or because of like money reasons. It's because they've hired shitty coaches. Right? I mean it's just that simple. Now this guy might be good, we'll see. But the reason the Browns have lost is they gave 230 million to Deshaun Watson. I've said this before and I'll say it again because I think it's as simple of a way as I've ever heard summed up the NFL process from a front office team building standpoint is how he said this a couple years ago during the draft. He said every team is allotted the same amount of cap space and the same amount of draft picks. You just choose how you use it. Every team gets a first through seventh round pick to start right. You get depending on who leaves in free agency you get comp picks and Every team has $250 million or whatever the salary cap is that you're to build a roster. You choose how you want to allocate those funds. And then if your owner is aggressive like a Jimmy Haslam like Jeffrey Lurie, you can cheat the system. So I don't think it's necessary to do what you said, but I hear you. I have a question regarding Kyle. I don't get the narrative of him being a great head coach, losing record without Christian and playoff success only with loaded rosters. He has a lot of influence on the draft and resigning players. The IUK extension looks really bad. His players frequently hold out. I can't see these things happen frequently to guys like Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. Pete got rid of Russ and robbed the Broncos when his value declined hat he had Russ and he went to Gino and won basically everywhere. Why is Shanahan talked as a great head coach? To me he looks like a great OC who is a bit over his skis as a head coach. Do you think the Niners should opt for a change sooner than later? You have to understand, Kyle Shanahan took over one of the worst teams I've ever seen since I've been watching football as an adult for 25 years. The 49ers were a fucking joke. Their roster was pitiful, their culture was an embarrassment, their team was unwatchable. Three years later they were up 10 points with five minutes to go in the super bowl in a roster that he was in control of. So when you say a loaded roster, he built the thing and from 2019 goes to the Super Bowl. Two years later he's in the NFC championship again. And the other thing where he gets credit is like he's winning these playoff games with Jimmy Garoppolo and Brock Purdy. He's not winning them with some great quarterback. I think he's won eight playoff games. So whether your roster is loaded, which he's in charge of, or, or not, you get credit in the NFL for winning the games when 40 million people are watching. And I've been critical on Kyle, but where I cannot be critical of him in the biggest fucking games. And these are regular season games too. Late games, late season games against Seattle multiple times. Big late season game against the Rams in 2021 when the playoffs are on the line, when the number one seeds on the line, his team has shown up and kicked ass and came out victorious. He went on the road and beat a Mike McCarthy 12 win team. He went on the road and beat an Aaron Rodgers MVP led team. Like, you just get a lot of credit for that. Like Kevin o' Connell. Everyone blows him for winning all these regular season games. And then the playoff games come and like Kyle, he doesn't have Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow, he loses. I like Kevin o' Connell, I got nothing against him, but he is discussed like he's Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay. Yet in the playoffs, two out of the last three years, he's had won all these regular season games and gets worked. Sean McVay took him to the woodshed, bent his ass over and took him to pound town like he got embarrassed in that game. Now you can say it was on the road. I mean on the road for Sean McVeigh. Two fires they had to displace the Arizona. That just hasn't happened to Kyle. You want to get get on him for losing twice to Andy Reid and Sean and Patrick Mahomes. Okay. Or Sean McVay in the NFC championship game with a 10 win team. Okay, But Kyle's won a lot of playoff games. A lot of playoff games. And even in the super bowl, the two he's lost, his team showed up ready to play and took leads. So it's like I'm watching Kevin o' Connell. Everyone's like, oh, Kevin Oak, Bill Walsh. Can the guy win one playoff game? One. One. You know, everyone's shitting on Mike McDaniel. Everyone's like, oh, it's Mike McDaniel. Look at that curly hair and those foo foo glasses and his $50,000 watch. What's different between Mike McDaniel and Kevin O' Connell? Neither guy wins in the playoffs. Win some regular season games. Sexy offense again. I would take Kevin O' Connell over Mike McDaniel, but I'm just being honest here. Let's just. Let's call a spade a spade. You got. You got to win some big games. So I give Matt LaFleur credit. Went on the road a couple years ago, beat the hell out of the Cowboys. That's a big win. You know, you get every. What's every playoff win worth? I argue every playoff win, especially on the road, should be like an extra year coaching the team. The 49ers going to get rid of Kyle Shanahan. For who? I mean, what would their options be? Look at some of these guys that get hired, and I feel like I'm the most critical guy of Kyle. And then with questions like this, I got to defend them. Have you heard anyone refer to the Colts situation as a curse? Hear me out on this one. We have had nothing but bad luck at quarterback position since the fans booed Andrew Lucky when his retirement was leaked during the preseason. We have been decent at positions, but cannot get the quarterback right. I believe wholeheartedly the Colts have bad luck. No pun intended. There have been a lot of curses in sports. Would like to get your opinion. It's a good question. You could argue that God gave you Peyton Manning and for however many years. 98. I guess you guys sucked those couple years in the 90s, but from 2000, for that decade, it was pretty sweet. I mean, you were the second best team in the league basically the entire time behind the Patriots. You beat the Patriots to win your Super Bowl. You went to another super bowl where I think if you play that Super Bowl 10 times, you probably win it more than you lose it. Yet you were on basically Monday Night Football. You were just a team that really mattered. So, yeah, I mean, I are you cursed. I don't know if you're like curse the Bambino, but you did cut Peyton Manning and then for the next three years he went on to lead the best team. It was the right move. It was the right move. Trading Babe Ruth was not the right move, but he did cut Peyton Manning. Couple more Questions when the 013 jets upset the 9 and 4 Rams in LA, the game ultimately dictated the Trevor Lawrence went to the Jags and led the jets to taking Zach Wilson. Could you play a hypothetical scenario where the jets lose out and end up taking Lawrence with the number one pick? Do you think the AFC landscape has changed at all or is the effect minimal? Yeah, I'm a bitter jets fan. That's a good question. I think it'd be kind of similar. I guess the jets have had a better team than the Jags with Trevor Lawrence in terms of like, you guys hit on some good players, but I have a hard time seeing my, I don't know. I guess the domino effect would Aaron Rodgers would not have been traded to the Jets. Maybe the Steelers just trade for Aaron Rodgers right then. So maybe the domino effect changes right there. Does Aaron tear his Achilles for the Steelers? Do the Jags draft Zach Wilson? To me, the more interesting part is like the the butterfly effect, the domino effect of quarterbacks and the butterfly effect of Aaron Rodgers. But I don't think we look at Trevor Lawrence and the jets like you guys are some consistent 9, 10 win team. Good question though. Okay, we'll end on this. Great work on Colin. A bit of a long question for the mailbag. I work in contracts and acquisitions. Successful guy then, as someone who got into this work because I always loved the topic the process of contracts in professional sports, I was wondering if you could share some insight into that role in the NFL. You've mentioned contract negotiations before, but how does one become a contract negotiator with a team? Do you start as a scout and work your way up? Do you have to have a financial background or is it done in house with gm? John Schneider mentioned his involvement a few times and an agent representing the player. Keep up the great work and success. Well, let's dive into that because I wanted to welcome you to chasing challenges brought to you by Microsoft. In the NFL, just like in the business world, overcoming obstacles is key to success. Microsoft empowers business decision makers with AI solutions, simplified cloud and data management, and trustworthy, responsible technology to turn challenges into opportunities. In this segment we will explore some of the biggest challenges being faced in the NFL and how they can be overcome. Whatever challenge you're faced, Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say, bring it on. This week we've discussed the challenge faced by all these contract negotiators. We see holdouts, we see the Niners have dealt with a lot of them. Obviously the Bengals are dealing with them. I think most contract negotiators for a team, this guy in charge of the salary cap tends to have a law background or a finance background, usually the scout background. When the guy gets into that is when he becomes either the assistant GM or the gm, you know, John Schneider, I would say, became a household name evaluating players, not negotiating contracts. When I worked for the Eagles, it was unique because Howie had got his start and came up on the contract side. So he had a law degree and he worked his way up dealing with agents and then got in on the scouting side and then became the GM and merged the two. But I would say most scouts, especially the ones I know, Jason Light, Spy Tech Veech, am I missing Adam Peters, those type guys got into the business, college scouting, pro scouting, you know, helping with this guy's worth trading this many picks. And then I think like you said, you learn that, you start getting, hey, will you call this agent? Will you deal with that? But in terms of the language of a contract, right? Yeah. I talked to Jason Light about this a couple years ago at the, at the draft or at the combine that, you know, you kind of learn as a gm. It's kind of like trial by fire. But you are very dependent on the guy negotiating your money. Like for example, the 49ers. Parag Marathe is like the York's money guy. This guy's fucking genius. Known him for a while. I haven't talked to him in a long time. But he's a extremely smart guy and he's really good with money. And he for a long time negotiated the contracts like when Harbaugh was there and then with Kyle and John. Now they have people under him. But like, obviously you're not going to negotiate a contract if the head coach and the GM don't want it. But like, are they negotiating every single kicker of a contract? You have individuals whose job it is to get on the phone, maybe with Drew Rosenhaus or maybe one of Drew Rosenhaus guy, and just get the basic parameters of what we're looking for and what they're looking for. And then people write it up and then they get involved. To me, most of the time with the bigger picture stuff, right? Like was John lynch when the purdy contract was being negotiated on the phone every single day. You know, talking the specific language of the kind. No, and he's talked about this before. He gets involved when it's like, how can we. How can we get a deal done right? You're not like, Maria's in real estate. She's not doing every single detail of the contract. Some of it's already written. A lot of these NFL contracts, the parameters of a position is already set in stone. You just push the envelope on one thing, you relent on another thing, and then you kind of find some middle ground, right? So I. I think most guys, and this is what's going on with Trey Hendrickson, you know, that's a situation where everyone in the organization's involved. And then there are situations like Micah Parsons, where it's like, you kind of got an idea what the money's going to be. That's one where Jerry can just either got to give a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Right? But a lot of these contracts, you know, the. The rookie scale now is pretty easy. But, you know, if you're signed, free agency can be, you know, free agency is a sell. Like the free agents market. It is not. It's not a buyer's market because it's really, really expensive. So they kind of got you by the balls. So they're, you know, during that time your negotiator is on the phone, and they're like, well, we got three different offers. So you're offering 6 million. I got three other offers that are close to 9. So it's like, you can be like, oh, you're bluffing, or like, see you later. And that's where I think, from a scouting perspective, you kind of learn those skills. And when you've done it, you have a pretty good idea, but you have to have a pretty good idea of the market, of how good the player is. So it's. There are a lot of. I think more than ever. It used to either just be the GM was in charge or the money guy was in charge. I think there are more people with their hand in the cookie jar on these deals than ever before, because we're talking. I mean, guards are making $20 million a year. So that's an excellent question. And it's a big challenge for these teams to figure out who's in charge of that and when do the big decision makers get involved? That's it for this week's Chase and challenges. Remember, Microsoft's AI solutions empower you to take bold steps, make informed decisions. Speaking new ideas to help drive your business forward. 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