3 & Out - Belichick to UNC, TNF Preview, Wilson and the Steelers

Summary

Summary of "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" Episode: "3 & Out - Belichick to UNC, TNF Preview, Wilson and the Steelers"

Release Date: December 12, 2024

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1. Bill Belichick's Move to North Carolina

The episode opens with a deep dive into the unexpected announcement of Bill Belichick transitioning from the NFL to become the head coach of the North Carolina Tar Heels. Host John Middlekauff expresses both surprise and intrigue over this move.

"If I had gone to North Carolina, if I was a North Carolina fan, there is no way on God's green earth I wouldn't attend a game next year. I got Bill Belichick as my head coach."
(Timestamp: 00:02:00)

Middlekauff analyzes the potential impact of Belichick’s leadership on the UNC football program, comparing his strategic mind to other legendary coaches like Andy Reid. He speculates on the recruitment advantages UNC might gain and discusses the challenges Belichick may face in elevating a historically modest college program to national prominence.

"Belichick clearly was looking ahead and realizing, I'm probably not going to get an NFL job or it's not worth the risk... So he jumped at it."
(Timestamp: 00:15:30)

2. Thursday Night Football (TNF) Preview

Shifting focus, the podcast previews the upcoming Thursday Night Football matchup, highlighting key storylines and player performances to watch.

Middlekauff emphasizes the significance of the game, especially considering the high stakes and the intense preparation from both teams. He discusses tactical matchups and what each team needs to do to secure a victory.

"This is easily one of the best matchups in the NFL, regardless who's playing because of the two head coaches who are the two stars of the team."
(Timestamp: 00:25:45)

3. Russell Wilson and the Pittsburgh Steelers

A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to evaluating Russell Wilson's tenure with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Middlekauff assesses Wilson's fit within the Steelers' defensive-first philosophy under Coach Mike Tomlin.

"Russell is a dramatically better passer. But I haven't watched the new Hard Knocks, but I watched the first episode and obviously, like any human being, it falls apart."
(Timestamp: 00:36:10)

He debates whether Wilson's leadership style aligns with the Steelers' culture and examines his influence on the team's dynamics. Middlekauff also touches upon Wilson's adaptability and his potential long-term impact on the franchise.

4. Mailbag Q&A

In the latter half of the episode, Middlekauff engages with listener questions, offering insights and opinions on various NFL topics.

• Belichick's Coaching Strategy:

  A listener inquires whether Belichick's move to college coaching is a strategic step to return to the NFL with better draft prospects.

  "I think he's just trying to go to college to try to win. I don't think he's looking at it from all the other angles, honestly."
  (Timestamp: 00:50:20)

• Sam Darnold's Future:

  Questions about the Jets' quarterback situation spark a discussion on Sam Darnold's potential trades and future performance.

  "Sam Darnold is a truly intriguing NFL sports conversation. So many of them are so stupid and you just like want to pull your hair out."
  (Timestamp: 01:10:35)

• College Quarterbacks and NIL Impacts:

  Listeners probe into the effects of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) deals on college football programs, with Middlekauff analyzing how financial incentives might shift recruitment dynamics.

  "If you have top 10, top 15 NIL, you should be buying sweet players left and right."
  (Timestamp: 01:30:50)

5. Closing Thoughts

Middlekauff wraps up the episode by reflecting on the evolving landscape of football coaching and player dynamics. He underscores the importance of leadership, strategy, and adaptability in both college and professional levels.

"Once you have something, it's almost like you're chasing the rainbow for the pot of gold. What if you get the end of the rainbow and the clouds clear and there's no pot of gold and you're like, oh, this is a disaster."
(Timestamp: 01:45:15)

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Notable Quotes:

• "Timing being on your side has benefited me personally, you know, in a professional way, greatly."
  (Timestamp: 00:20:10)

• "Every guy Jordan ever plays with has his back. Same thing with Jared Goff. Same thing with Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins."
  (Timestamp: 00:35:50)

• "Playing the Steelers is one of the best games this NFL season."
  (Timestamp: 01:40:00)

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Conclusion

In this episode, "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" offers an extensive analysis of Bill Belichick's unexpected move to college football, provides a comprehensive preview of Thursday Night Football, and delves into Russell Wilson's role with the Steelers. Through engaging discussions and listener interactions, John Middlekauff delivers a nuanced perspective on current sports narratives, making the episode a must-listen for avid football fans.

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The volume. What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? John Middlekoff three and Out Podcast. What a day to be alive if you're a North Carolina Tar Heel. Yesterday when it was announced that Belichick was the head coach, I did an instant reaction. That is just YouTube only, so it's on our YouTube page. I just did Instant Reaction. We'll talk a little bit about it today because I do think there's a college team that might be kicking themselves a little bit that would have the opportunity to do this because clearly he was ready to head to college and an option for a team that is of much, much higher stature in the. In the world of Saturday football. That should have been all over him if given the chance. But sometimes timing doesn't work out. And we'll talk about some other stuff. We got a Thursday night game, Shanahan and McVeigh. We got Tomlin and the Steelers and something I missed on that franchise this year with Russell Wilson, that it's really crystallized. Watching the Hard Knocks and just seeing the clips and kicking myself because that was. You just got to bet on leadership. And of course, Mailbag at John Middle Coffiddlekoff is the Instagram fire in those DMS at John Middle cough. We'll do a long mailbag today. I got a lot more questions. I think we'll put out probably a Saturday mailbag only on the podcast for everyone to consume. Other than that, what a world. If I would have told you a year ago that Belichick would be the next head coach at North Carolina Tar Heels, you never would. No one would have believed you. Michael Jordan wouldn't have Believed you. But here we are. So make sure you subscribe to three now podcast. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel, because sometimes I'll just, you know, afternoon, just throw up a video like I did today. So we get, we got some extra content up there as well. And before we dive into some football, though, I know this. If I had gone to North Carolina, if I was a North Carolina fan, there is no way on God's green earth I wouldn't attend a game next year. I got Bill Belichick as my head coach. If I went to one of these other schools in the ACC and we were playing North Carolina, I would go to that game. And that's the cool part about these ticketing apps. My friends, my partners at Game Time, the number one ticketing app in America, they got you covered. Because if you want to go to a game, Christmas, Hanukkah, my Jewish friends right around the corner, you need to get someone something. Well, guess what? Get them a pair of tickets to a concert, to a game, maybe next year. Are you a Mets fan? You want opening day tickets to watch your boy Juan Soto, he just got $950 million, minus 200 million, which is $750 million. Here's what you do. You do something that's very easy. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with game time, Download the gametime app, create an account, use the code Johan. 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And it helped lead Tesla into just great, great, a very fruitful time. Obviously, Jeff Bezos starts a company that is selling books online. Well, part of the idea behind that Was he realized the brick and mortar was in trouble. And then as time went, he adapted his company and now they sell everything. But it really wouldn't have worked without, I don't know, the Internet, which changed the game. Think of Apple like, you could argue the most important invention of my lifetime, like the car, the wheel, fire light, all that shit was already invented by before I was born. Definitely the most impactful one has to be this phone, which they clearly have a market share on. Right. If you sit down with 100 people, I would say close to. It's shocking when you don't see one of them having an iPhone. Now, obviously wouldn't be 100%, but I would guess if you just grabbed 100 people, that number is much closer to 90 than it is 70 and potentially closer to 100 than it is 80. So I've benefited from that. What I'm doing now, when I got out of radio, if it would have been 1993, this would not have existed. I couldn't have done a radio show, which our podcasts, obviously, that is different, but. And create a studio from my home. It wouldn't have been possible, partly because the Internet didn't exist. I wouldn't have been able to distribute it. You wouldn't have been able to find me. I remember the first time I heard who Chris Russo and Mike Francesa were, and I started listening to them on the Internet. Well, when I was a kid, when they were crushing it in New York in the late 90s, I was a sports radio junkie, but you didn't have access to people outside of your market. You didn't even know who they were. I remember the first time I ever saw Jim Rome's picture. I'm like, that's what he looks like. Imagine now listening to someone in an audio form and not knowing what they look like. The access we have to a visual of what a guy looks like is so easy. You Google them, you go to their Instagram account, basically you pull up their podcast, you see their picture. When I was a kid, you listen to the radio, you had no clue what anyone looked like in talk radio. Obviously, musicians, you did. And timing has changed the world, right? When it comes to the Internet and the businesses associated with the Internet, well, when you look at North Carolina, like they benefited a lot from. They're one of the only jobs open right now that has a lot of money behind them. And Bill Belichick clearly was looking ahead and realizing, I'm probably not going to get an NFL job or it's not Worth the risk of I might only have one or two interviews and there's no guarantee I am. So the old adage of bird in the hand is better than two in the bush and he jumped at it. But there is no disputing that North Carolina historically is not a great college football job. It's not bad. It's had its moments. But when you think of top, I don't know, 40 college football jobs, I don't even think you would list North Carolina. Now the world has changed. With nil, there is a giant elephant in the room with a massive job potentially opening Ryan Day after he lost to Michigan. Listen, there were already some question marks. Regardless of what the media wanted to tell you once he lost that game, no one surrounded with that program, alumni, booster, or people working as chancellors, board of directors or athletic directors could look at the guy the same. They just can't. He's got a game here in about 8, 9 days at home against Tennessee. If he loses that game, you can't convince me that they wouldn't rather have Bill Belichick than Ryan Day coaching, though. Here's the problem. You can't fire Ryan Day today because you still have this game. But there is a very, very good chance that if he loses that game, you're like, we would have easily fired him for Bill Belichick. Now we'll see. As the information comes out was a huge sticking point for Bill making his son the coach in waiting. I don't have this information at the time I'm recording this, but even if they wouldn't, you can't convince me if Bill goes because he's willing to take a college job, obviously, he literally just did. He's cool with it. He's all in that he wouldn't have taken Ohio State and Ohio State people wouldn't want him over Ryan Day. Because what is the big question mark right now with Ohio State? It's not money. It's not nil. I just read a report that North Carolina, one of their sales pitches to Bill was, we'll go from 4 or 5 million, nil. We'll get that bad boy up to 20. Ohio State paid 20 this year without blinking an eye. I saw the printout of the highest paid coaches, assistant coaches this year in college football. Two of them were on Ohio State staff. Chip Kelly makes $2 million and their defensive coordinator makes about two and a half. So his two coordinators make NFL coordinator money. And they also have a wide receiver coach who's their recruiting coordinator making well over a Million. So in terms of staff budget, in terms of nil, and in terms of prominence, standing, everything surrounded with it, Ohio State has it all. Part of taking the North Carolina job is there's going to be some effort. Bill's going to have to put in to get the top players even with nil. And you can sign the biggest checks, but it's still going to take some time. Ohio State recruits itself. That has never been an issue my entire life. They've always got the best players. You give them Bill Belichick because the question mark with the program has been toughness, physicality. Where do they wilt when they play? Michigan. Why? Because they're just not as tough. It's not in their soul. It's not in their ethos. What do you say when you think Bill Belichick, you think defense. That is truly his baby. Building a program of tough guys. Honestly, when you think his offense. Same thing. Tom Brady, an underrated intangible. He has tough motherfucker. Julian Edelman, Logan Mankins, Rob Gronkowski, all the guys they had in the early. The iteration in the early 2000s. Tough guys. North Carolina. I don't know how good he's going to be. Like, I think their team's going to be, you know, above.500 next year, but I'm not predicting they're making the playoffs or anything. I think in the next couple of years, they are going to be something to be reckoned with. But if you put him at Ohio State next year, like, what is honestly Bill's biggest advantage? He's smarter at football than everybody. Maybe Andy Reid's probably the one guy now who's elevated to his level. But Bill's X's nose ability at every position is better than everybody. When you watch Ryan Day, it's like, well, he's pretty good passing game guy. But the rest of the team, defense, little hit or miss, toughness. Definitely hit or miss. And it's like the running game since Urban Meyer left has just not been the same. And it's not because of players. So I wonder if Ohio State. And listen, there's nothing they could do. It's just kind of bad timing. They were a week away of. Why wouldn't they immediately call this guy? Can we fire Ryan Day and hire this guy? The problem is, as of December 11, it would be difficult to fire Ryan Day. And I think timing wasn't on their side because I wonder if this was a little different that, you know, if Bill was willing and there's some pressure on Bill to take this job because recruiting the transfer portal is open. If he was a week away that he could be the head coach at Ohio State. And even if they wouldn't acquiesce to, your son's the coach in waiting. Well, if Bill wins a national championship, they'd probably let him do whatever he wants. You want to make Steve the next coach? They literally just did it with Urban Meyer. Ryan Day had never done shit. He'd been a position coach, coordinator kinda, you know, before he got to Ohio State, a couple years with Urban, boom, he's the head coach. So if Belichick were to win a title with is what Urban did, they would be cool with letting him hand it off. They literally just did it. And for their standards, they wish it was a little better. Still not bad. But I wonder if you're an Ohio State fan, you go, God, couldn't we just ahead Belichick, if I told you right now, if you're an Ohio State fan, would you fire Ryan Day today, even going into this playoffs to hire Belichick, even if it meant losing to Tennessee? Of course you would, because the reality is you might lose that game anyway and then you'll probably be stuck with the guy for another year. And if I also told Michigan, or definitely if I told Michigan, Sharon Moore, the AD and everyone associated with that program, if I told Penn State and James Franklin, if I told Oregon, if I told Alabama, if I told Georgia, would you rather play Ryan Day or would you rather play Bill Belichick? Would it take them a second or two seconds to answer that question? So massive day for unc. And if I was Ohio State fan, I'd be like, so Belichick's cool with coming to college. Like he's actually doing the jump. And we're stuck with Ryan Day and Chip Kelly. And we might lose at home in a week to Tennessee after Michigan just beat us when their quarterback through for 60 yards. It's got to suck. Okay, let's get into the Thursday night game. When you think marquee games, especially prime time games, they always show up that visual of like, you know, like when the Chiefs play the Bills, it's like Josh Allen versus Patrick Mahomes, right? You throw on the Eagles this week. Pittsburgh against the Eagles. It's like Saquon and T.J. watt, right? Or Russell Wilson versus Jalen Hurts. It's like players what. What has really helped football separate from everyone else? Because ultimately it's reality television show that that's what sports are. It's reality television. When I was A kid. All three major sports, basketball, baseball and football. The players weren't just the stars. Coaches were massive. Phil Jackson and Pat Riley were every bit as popular. Popular is the wrong way to put it. But as famous. Phil Jackson was as famous as basically every player in the league at certain times, beside maybe like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant who were on his team. Pat Riley is one of the most famous basketball figures of all time. Obviously in college basketball forever, the most famous people were the coaches. In baseball when I was a kid, the managers were really big deal. Now they make less than an offensive line coach does at the University of Georgia. They don't really play a part in the whole thing. In football, what they really got going for them, obviously it's popular because the scarcity of the inventory and you only get one game a week. Every game matters. We know all that. But it's the power of the characters. The owners are really famous. The assistant coaches are really famous. The head coaches are equivalent. Two players. And the unique part of this Niner Rams matchup is I would say the two poster childs. Like if you're just going Niners versus the Rams, this entire time there's a team, one's won a Super Bowl. Both of them have been to two, they've been really good. They are by far. If every coach got fired of every guy under 50, they would be the first two hires. They are the poster childs. Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan and obviously they have a connection. They work together. They. They're all under this umbrella. Their cronies are all over the league. Even though they do it differently, I think McVeigh is much more inclined to run like a drop back passing game when Kyle really wants to play like 1985 football and run it 40 times a game. So they are on the opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of, I think deep down their offensive philosophy. Like if they could call one play, what would it be? Kyle would be a run, Sean would be a pass. But they both come from the football school of they love tough, physical players. I was thinking about today at the gym, like I wonder if what they hoped Ricky Piersol would become and part of the reason they drafted him is because they just saw Puka Nakua. When you look at the Rams, like their defensive line, Jared Verse and Fisk, the two defensive linemen from Florida State, are guys Kyle Shanahan and John lynch would like. They like old school football players despite being two young guys. But when you think the 49ers and when you think the LA Rams over the last seven, eight years, despite. I mean, the Rams have one of the greatest players in the history of the sport that just retired in Aaron Donald. And you still think Sean McVay. The 49ers over the last three or four years are littered with some of the best players in the league. George Kittle, Trent Williams, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, I'd say Debo, but he's fallen off the cliff a little bit. Christian McCaffrey, and you still think Kyle Shanahan. And that's what's cool about this matchup. Now, from a game perspective, there's a lot on the line. I thought the Niners were dead. I still am not that confident. Right. I don't put that much stock against the Bears, a team that just went 1, 2, 3, Cancun. I mean, listen, I'm not one. I have a lot of respect for any player in the NFL. I have a lot of respect for anyone that plays football. It's very tough sport in college, definitely the NFL, any good high school player. It's hard. But that was as shitty of an effort like they looked early on, that Bears team. Like, we don't want to play this game. Like, we're just over this season. So it's hard for me to know to put how much stock into that game. But if the Niners had any sort of slim, slim chance to just make their season, have an opportunity to make, they had to win that game, and they did. Then they get a short week against the Rams, who historically Shanahan has owned McVeigh beside the one game that really mattered, the NFC championship game, when Kwaski Tart dropped a pick. But that's another story for another day. I still think the Niners have some question marks. Obviously their top two running backs are injured. That's a problem for a coach that wants to run it. Trent Williams is out of this game. Nick Bosa up in the air. We'll see if he's able to play on Thursday. Fred Warner hasn't been the same guy. Why? He's dealing with a broken bone in his foot. They're starting running back. Last week, Garenda, who is a good player, sprained his foot and he's also a question mark to play this week. So I still think the Niners have a ton of question marks, though Brock Purdy looked dramatically better against a gutless Bears team than he had the previous weeks. So if they get that version of Purdy with Juwan Jennings, with Debo, they still would have a chance. I think the Rams are a weird team because when everyone came back, I'm like, get ready, this team is coming. And then for like three weeks, that Miami Dolphin game, hell, last week against the Saints, they just or two weeks ago against Saints, they just don't look right. Something just looks off. And I was like, I'm kind of out on this. And then you watch them against the Bills, you're like, this is the team. I thought we were getting off season. I have no clue who's going to win this game. I'm not going to put any money on this game because I honestly don't know. 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Speaking of head coaches who started the team, this is where I got the Steeler Russell Wilson situation wrong. Russell's not really, you know, he's, he just feels too much of a politician for me. And I get it. Like part of being a public quarterback or coach. Like sometimes you just being authentic doesn't benefit you. So being a bullshit artist, and I'm not even saying he's a bullshit artist, but the cliche answers and just saying nothing is not a bad thing to do. Like I understand the mindset behind doing that. It just felt like he just never breaks character every time you see him 24, 7, 365. And I've never argued that Russell in his heyday in Seattle wasn't just an elite player. But I was like, this guy's going to go to Pittsburgh. This blue collar tough guy operation that is just defense first, that just has a bunch of dudes, also has a couple crazies that Tomlin can handle and it's going to work. Obviously I was wrong because it's worked really, really well. Hell, it goes back. I thought they should have kept going with Fields. I think a lot of people agreed with me and clearly that was 100% the right decision. Russell is a dramatically better passer. But I haven't watched the new Hard Knocks, but I watched the first episode and obviously, like any human being, it falls football. You've watched a lot of Mike Tomlin. You know, where I got it wrong is I don't know if it really matters if Russell's like some galvanizing great leader like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Drew Brees, because that's Tomlin's job and that's kind of his gig with this squad. So as long as Russell played well, regardless of he's getting beers with the boys, you know, he's like, hey, you guys want to hit the nightclub on Thursday? He's clearly not doing that. But it doesn't matter because the main voice for the squad is the head coach who is probably improving again, one of the most unique leaders we have ever seen in the history of sports. He's pretty special. And I also got it wrong. I thought it was time for a divorce. Last year. I thought he should. I didn't think he should get fired and like be out of the league. I thought it was just like, go somewhere else, start and go to the Bears. You know, go to a new team, go to the Cowboys. Start anew. You just need a fresh start. I was wrong because I think the Steelers can win this week, and I think they're going to be in a position to win this week. I think it's going to be an excellent game. I'm as excited for this game. I mean, there can't be five games going into a weekend so far this NFL season that I'm more excited to watch than the Steelers at the Eagles. And if Russell just plays under control, which he has, I thought he made two of the better throws this season. We know we can throw the go route. We know he can throw the lollipop down the sideline, but he's making some touch throws on the move. I'm fascinated to watch this and listen this team, the heartbeat of this team starts and ends with Mike in a little like Kylan McVay. Like you could argue. Now, T.J. watt is, I would say, one of the more famous non quarterbacks, partly because of the last name, partly because he's one of the best players in the league. But you could easily, like, I don't think anyone would argue with you who's the poster child of the Steelers. When you close your eyes, you might say it's Mike Tomlin. And that's why this situation has been so great for Russell. And if he keeps Playing well, you know, can like, I think this is a good spot for Russell to just stay and play for this team. Right. Because where else is he going to play that is better equipped and set up for the guy? And speaking of leadership, there was a story last week. Obviously the Niners were in free fall and they just lost two games by a combined 73 to 20. Now granted that was on the road in Green Bay and on the road in Buffalo, two playoff teams. But I mean, the Niners was in the super bowl and they got shellacked and it was embarrassing. And Purdy just looked the whole thing, they just look completely overwhelmed. And Kyle had two players speak to the team on Saturday night to try to just kind of rally the troops before the Bears game. And De Amador Lenore, who just got a $90 million extension, who's one of the better young DBs in the NFL, spoke and it ended with Brock Purdy. And John lynch was on local radio in the Bay Area this week and just said it was just, Brock's good. I mean, he's good in front of the team because everyone on the team respects him. And you know, when you're one of the top three or four guys in the league, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, your talent is so immense, even if you have. And obviously all these guys, I think are widely considered high character guys, great leaders, but like historically, like Roethlisberger, whoever, you don't have to be Mr. Peyton Manning to like out, you're the best player. Everyone follows your lead. The majority of good quarterbacks are not viewed as like the top three or four guys. It's the next five to 12. And I think the separating factor of that group is like, everyone freaking loves Jared Goff. Everyone loves Dak Prescott. Like, these guys are universally considered by their teammates, just high level guys and well respected. And this is where I knew Trey Lance was in trouble a couple of years ago because the way their teammates talked about Jimmy Garoppolo when he was starting, it's like they didn't want Trey starting. And then once Purdy began starting, it was like, God, the defensive guys, because they've gone against them on scout team forever, love them. I mean, they just, they love this guy. And then during the bye week, where's Brock Purdy? He's on vacation with George Kittle in Montana. And part of being a quarterback is like part of being, you know, a CEO or general. You need people to follow your lead. You need people in a weird way to not just respect you, but like you and I think Tom Brady is widely considered the greatest teammate in the history of the league. I remember texting with a guy who played at Fresno State when I was there, who played on the Chargers forever when Philip Rivers retired. And he's like, him and Stafford, he also play in the Lions. Kenny Wiggins, he's like, those are two of my favorite teammates of my life. They're just, they're beloved in the locker room. And it's a quality that, like, listen, it's hard to have. I bet, you know, some people that know me probably don't like me. Some people that, if you're listening to this, don't like you. Like, you know, you don't act. But when you're the quarterback. And I remember Carson Palmer telling me this at this Fox retreat thing in like 2019 in Laguna beach, you know, coward. A bunch of Fox, I heart people were there and I remember they flew me out and I actually, that was the first time I ever went on Jet sx. And anyone that's flown that, it's not like, it's like commercial, private, you're on the plane with a bunch of other people, but you can walk in five minutes before. And I thought, they send me the private fucking jet is this. I didn't even understand what I was getting on at first. And then I realized, like, no, not kinda, not, not, not really. It's just Instead of spending $200 on ticket, they spent 450. But it was cool. And it's. If you ever get the chance to fly Jet sx, highly recommend it. It's hard to ever go back into the main airport after that. But Palmer, Carson Palmer was at the event. Wide range of people everywhere from like Steve Garvey, Coward, Sean Hannity, Carson Palmer, a lot of different people there, but I remember just Chris Broussard. I remember talking hoops with him. We were having cocktails and talked to Carson. And he later came on this podcast, actually. And this is before, I'm sure a lot of people listening now listen to the show. And one thing he mentioned is like the one thing he misses the most about being a quarterback wasn't a touchdown throw, wasn't even like game day or a practice. It was every day. Walking into that building in Arizona, in Cincinnati, and knowing that everyone in the building was relying on you. And that pressure was like inspiring. And you felt it every day that everyone's looking at you, defense included. And being a quarterback is really, really hard. It's why only a small percentage of guys excel at it in college and definitely in the pros. And I watched Sirianni's press conference today. I thought he did a good job. I mean, it was tough spot. I mean, he's no, he's like, listen, playing the Steelers, good team. I know none of you are going to ask about me. Fire away. It's all Jalen and AJ and one thing Sirianni said in that press conference was whether it's a coach or whether it's a player to player or coach to player. When I respect you and I like you, we're all more likely to go that extra mile for that guy. And obviously as a teammate, when you really respect the guy next to you, you're much more likely to just work 2% harder. When you like that coach or you respect that coach, you're just willing to push yourself a little bit more. It's why, you know, my dad was in the army. His brother died in Vietnam. Both my grandparents or grandpas were in World War II. I went to high school with a lot of people that were in the Iraq war. It feels like pretty consistently any veteran will tell you that ultimately in a war situation, you're not fighting for the politician back in Washington. You're not fighting for the general back of the base.

[Adnan Virk]

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[John Middlekauff]

You'll do whatever it takes for the guys sitting on your right and to your left. And obviously that is a life and death situation. But in football, you definitely can get injured. You know, your life's not on the line. But there is a physical toll, offensive, defensive line, wide receivers, going over the middle, linebackers laying on the line, that you are more willing to do whatever it takes when you have the ultimate respect for whoever your leader is, for whoever your unit leader is, for whoever your position coach is. And like, they can try to walk it back all they want. Brandon Graham has been with the Eagles since I got hired, when I got hired in 2010 and went to spring ball, you know, like second OTA of the year in I don't know when it was late May, early June, Brandon Graham was our first round pick. He is the. I didn't know this, but when he was. When Jeffrey Lurie went out to practice a couple weeks ago and announced that Brandon Graham was going to be their nominee for, for the man of the Year, which the Walter Payton man of the Year, I would say is as prestigious of an NFL honor as the mvp. It's. I mean, you get that award like a Cam Hayward. Yeah, I think J.J. watts got it. I think Russell will it's something that is a really, really big deal, you know, in the NFL. Brandon Graham's a high level guy and no human in the history of the Eagles has ever played more seasons for the franchise than him. So when he said the comment, which I understand, maybe he, you know, maybe had a few beers or a cocktail or something, he's not super locked in. He's out for the year, so he's not super in like media. I got to say the right thing. I think he's being pretty authentic and genuine. And listen, you, myself, we've all been in situations where we work with someone. Maybe our relation starts out good and then it gets weird. And I know A.J. brown said we're good. Like, yeah, it's pretty clear your relationship with Jalen Hurst, something's off. And listen, I know enough, you know, to know it just. It's not great. But you can have a relationship with someone that isn't great and still be successful. I don't put this on A.J. brown. I put this on the quarterback because it's the quarterback's job. Part of Jalen hurts thing was I'm the ultimate leader. Everyone rallies around me. Like, that's been Stafford's claim to fame when he was in Detroit. Like, listen, he's not. Doesn't have the wins, even some years, he doesn't have the stats. But there's never been a dude that played with Matt Stafford that wouldn't fucking run through a wall for that guy. That's what we say about coaches sometimes. But if I'm not saying that about the quarterback and I'm saying that about my guard, my tight end, like, here's what I can say about Brock Purdy. Like, listen, we can argue till we're blue in the face about how much money he deserves to be paid. And I agree. Like, I'm not comfortable paying him 50. Ideally, I'd like to pay him 30. I don't really know how we work this out, but it has never been questioned. From Debo, who can be up and down to George Kittle to Trent Williams to Fred Warner, those guys would run through a wall for Brock Purdy. Every guy Matt Stafford ever plays with has his back. Same thing with Jared Goff. Same thing with Dak Prescott, Kirk Cousins, you know, felt like he developed that. Now he might just be shitty and everyone turns on him. I do think it's a little bit of a red flag on Jalen. Like, like, what's going on here, man? Like, this is. Did he change a little bit after you got paid? Because clearly, like, Jalen's not a great passer of the ball. Like, that's not really arguable. He's not. He's a flawed pocket passer. That ain't his game. That doesn't mean he's not a really good player. He's an awesome runner of the ball. He's a big time run threat, which opens up their offense and he's a great playmaker outside of the pocket. But inside the pocket, if he could not run like if against the Steelers, we just said we're going to give him Jared Goff's athleticism for one game, I would bet I would cash out hundreds of thousands of dollars from stocks and put it all on the Steelers because they would not be able to function. But that's not his game. So is it just as simple as AJ Brown's not getting the ball because he's jealous of Saquon, or is it like, no, there's. It's not quite the same as it was a couple years ago. And that, that is just something to monitor. And they're going to poo poo it and they're going to roll it back and they're going to say all the right things and winning. There have been a lot of players in the history of the sport that don't always get along just like human beings. A lot of people you work with, I work with over the years. Like, you don't always see I die with. You don't even. Like, I do think it's pretty difficult in this situation. And it's always on the quarterback to make sure that relationship works. That's the job of Peyton Manning, of Tom Brady, of Drew Brees with a guy of this talent, even if he's up and down and a weird guy. I don't know. I don't know. AJ Brown, clearly he can be a little emotional, but, like, that's on the quarterback. That's his job to lead everybody. He's the guy. He's the guy everyone's looking at. And he's the most important guy beside the coach in terms of leadership. And honestly, you could argue his voice sometimes goes farther because they're in the trenches with that guy. They got the pads on, chin strap buckled. When it's a tie game in the fourth quarter, coaches in a jacket and a beanie on the sideline with hand warmers, it just ain't the same. So it's just this game's big. And I just think, Jalen, it's just something to monitor. Something to monitor. 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[John Middlekauff]

Okay, let's dive into the mailbag at John Middle Cough. At John Middle Cough. Is the Instagram fire in those DMS very, very easy to get in on the show. I have a ton of questions, so I'll probably have to push some off maybe for a Saturday mailbag because I just, there's no way we can't do a seven hour podcast. This is from Anthony. Hope you're doing well. You too, Anthony. Do you think Belichick chose to coach college so he can eventually draft better players when he returns to the NFL a la Pete Carroll? Can't imagine him doing, him giving up on chasing that record. It's a great question. I don't, I think Mike Lombardi, who I actually just saw Schefter, tweeted, he's been on this podcast before. I just sent him a text. Congrats. Maybe, maybe in the spring we go out to North Carolina, get Mike, maybe Bill, you know, see they got a new podcast, got to promote the program. I think he's just living in the moment, you know, by the time, let's say in a couple years. Is someone hiring him? 75 years old. Maybe he's just cool with doing this and maybe he's not looking back. Maybe this is his moment to kind of do something different. What if he likes it? What if he's having success? I think people would still want to hire him back in the NFL, let's say if he like won a national championship. But if it took him like four years to do that, by then he's 76, 77 years old. Is someone hiring to be the head coach? I don't know. I don't know. So I would probably say no. I think he's just trying to go to college to win. I think that's his goal right now. Go to college to try to win. I don't think he's looking at it from all the other angles, honestly. We know the 49ers like Darnold and assuming they are uncomfortable with paying Purdy top quarterback money, is there a chance that they bring back Darnold to be their starting quarterback? And if they did that, what would they do with Purdy? I don't think that's an option. I think if they were uncomfortable, like if they had contentious negotiations, I think he would just play on the fourth year. He's not a free agent, right. So they're not forced to tag him or not this. He's in his third year. He has one more year on his contract and he's making a ton off the field. Listen, he wants to play for Kyle. Kyle wants him to be here. I don't think they're in the business of giving Darnold 40. Like, I just think that that's not really an option though. If Darnold's going to play like he's playing right now. He's like a better version of Purdy because he's got a bigger arm, just as mobile and bigger. But it's just not an option. It's really not. I mentioned this on the podcast, but Kyle had Purdy talk to the team before a must win game on Saturday night. So I think that tells you everything you need to know about his thought with Brock. Question for the bag. So I recently saw a list of the top nil collectives. My alma mater, Virginia is in the top 15 with a reeds with a recent huge donation. Do you think non football powerhouses like my Wahoos can turn things around easily when they get nil bags like this? Or will they always be stuck in the mud? How can a team like that become like other academic football powers? Notre Dame, Michigan, Stanford. In the past he sent me the link to. I can't click on it because I'll get lost here. And if you have the money, you should be able to win. So if you have top 10, top 15 nil, you should be a top 25 football team. You should, especially in the ACC, competing to win nine, 10 games. No excuse for that, to not be a dominant team because that's what it's all about now, I saw. I was at the gym and I looked up and I see Stephen A. They have him on one of the TVs. So it's. I don't have audio, but he's talking to this kid with a BYU hat on. Like, what is. They're doing football nil. And it turns out he was the. He was like the Cooper flag or Zion Williamson of basketball. The number one high school recruit in basketball. Going to byu. Mormons got some coin, baby. And then later in the day, I saw that it was $7 million. Do you think he went to BYU for, you know, the mountain air and, you know, no caffeine, no sex till marriage? Doubt it. Seven million large, if any program. You know, I bet some programs just couldn't go that high or wouldn't go that high. It's all about the money now, man. So I. If you have your collective is top 15, you should be buying sweet players left and right. I think the problem for you guys, though, different than like, Ohio State or lsu, like, can you get anyone into school? It's like, okay, I want to buy this receiver. We'll give him a million dollars. But his academics don't meet. I think I mentioned this to Jackson. What I don't understand. And listen, I'm. No one hates academia more than this guy with multiple degrees. So I got a graduate degree, and I mock academia, but I respect. Like, Virginia is a really good school. I couldn't have gone to school there. Like, me in academia didn't see eye to eye. I got so bored. It just. It wasn't for me. Again, even though I got multiple degrees, I had some people do my homework. I don't know exactly how I accomplished it, but I did. Kind of a hustler. But at these schools that have tough academic requirements, it's hard to get guys into school. Notre Dame, you know, I'm not. I don't want to say a player's name. I was just going to pick a random receiver in the NFL. But it's probably easier for Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase, you know, academically to thrive. Thrive. I'm not even saying thrive, but like, can that guy transfer in academics get him. Like, that's been a problem for Stanford. Look at Notre Dame. Look who they got in a transfer portal. Riley Leonard, a quarterback. Are they getting sweet wide receivers or DBs? Some schools don't give a shit, which is right up my alley. You think Texas cares or Alabama cares? No. So that. That's where the football program you got to get on seeing Eye to eye with the, with the kind of the academic personnel that at those schools like have all the control. I watched Andrew Luck's interview with Dan Patrick and he talked about getting the program back and he was like one thing we're not going to do and this Andrew Luck talking is I believe we can get good students who are good players because we did it. And I'd say ah, I'd say you're a little bit of an outlier. You and Christian McCaffrey are somewhat outliers. Like if you want to be good and compete against Florida State, Miami and Clemson, like you're going to have to change your recruiting because you went through a pretty unique time. Notre Dame was down, Northwestern was down. I'm trying to think of Michigan was definitely down. There are only so many players that fit that mold. Mailbag question A bit late but in response to the college football school flag planning. I think rather than ban the flag planning the NCAA should embrace it. They should make it a rivals week post game ceremony. Force the losing team to stand and watch in defeat as the victor plants their flag. I think it would be must see television and it would ramp up the intensity of the games. Am I crazy, Ron? I am all fucking in on this. You talk about like the Roman games, you know, some of these medieval moments, their equivalent of entertainment. This has that written all over it. Ultimately what this all is, why all this money is getting paid to these coaches and now to these players. Like this is entertainment boys. This as Jon Hamm once said that that is what the money is for. What we got to do. The NCAA would never agree to this because they're a bunch of fucking losers. I mean a group of pussies. We get business people behind this, television people behind this. Let's do it. I think this is a genius idea. Line up. Can you imagine if Jack Sawyer wasn't allowed to attack? You just got to watch it. That would be sweet. Totally in big gills fan. I've been thinking of how I know this is crazy but would Howie be open to signing Darnold moving off Hertz in the off season? Not sure this would be possible but I'm curious your answer. Know this when it comes to the Eagles, Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman, if you do not win big, everything will be on the table every single season. These guys a lot like Belichick. You talk about numb to emotion. If they are one and done in the playoffs and Jalen throws for 100 yards, obviously Sirianni will probably get fired. But do not think just because Jalen has a big contract, he's on scholarship, he would definitely be a trade candidate. Now let's go to Jalen hurts contract. I do think it would be pretty prohibitive to get rid of them. His cap hit next year is $21 million and his dead cap is $107 million. I'm not a cap guy. I don't know all the details to how this works. I do think that could be pretty difficult for them if they could do it though and sign Darnold, which again, not a cap guy. These numbers are complicated. Usually stuff accelerates. It might not be an option. If he could do it though, he would if he had to. Or if he thought like it was an upgrade, I don't think he would hesitate. Again, Jalen's got to play well and he's got to win. And they've been winning and I think a lot of people would argue, well, it's not really him. They're last in the league in past attempts. They have a running back who we're comparing to like Barry Sanders and Walter Payton and their defense is playing awesome. Do you honestly believe that Jim Harbaugh wanted to go to the Bears or Raiders over the Chargers? At first, the only way I could believe this doesn't really make sense was he was using it as leverage over the Chargers. But with signs pointing to Belichick going to college. He's in college now. I guess anything is possible. Why do you think he considered the dumpster fire in Las Vegas and dysfunctional Bears over Justin Herbert and the Chargers? I think this is pretty simple. Jim Harbaugh went to the 49ers when Alex Smith was the quarterback. Jim Harbaugh took over Stanford when they were 1 and 11. In a complete afterthought and joke. Jim Harbaugh went to Michigan when it was really bleak. Jim Harbaugh last year interviewed with the Minnesota Vikings and wanted the job. They just hired Kevin O'Connell or two years ago. Jim Harbaugh is not beholden to a quarterback. So why would Jim Harbaugh be interested in the Bears? Because he played there and he knows the power of the city. Why would he be interested in the Raiders? Because that's where he got his coaching start in 2002 and 2003 and worked for Al Davis, a guy he revered, reveres, who's gone but like the history football, that means a lot to him. So he is not worried about, you got no quarterback. His his response would be like, we'll find one. We'll get one. That's what he's always done. So yeah, I think that those teams, if they would have been aggressive, it's not, it's not even leverage. It's a story like he would have been interested. They didn't even call him. Doesn't mean he still wouldn't have taken the Chargers job. They're going to pay him 15 million. He's got Justin Herbert, but he would definitely be been interested to me in the Raiders for sure. The Bears, like, he would never work for Kevin Warren. Watching here from Sweden. All this Drew Aller talk has made me question why the league has seemingly given up on Carson Wentz. Was his personality that bad or do teams just think he's washed? He has some low moments, but also has some high moments. He sure is better than some of these guys we've seen in the draft. I think his athletic ability, the guy we saw before the acl is no longer there and he's not a great rhythm pocket passer. So like he's kind of got to be, you know, a version of like Jalen hurts a little bit, it's a little different, but it's run around, make some plays and he's not really that anymore. So to me he's just, he's one of those guys who had elite physical skills, got injured and then was never quite the same and is not a good decision maker. So if you get a guy that's not a good decision maker, like part of Sam Darnold, big time athlete, like, you see that guy moving around, you're like, holy shit, Carson Wentz, that's kind of gone. But I actually think like he can go on now. And I mean he could be. If Andy and Veets like him, he could be their backup. Look, look how long Chad Henny was their backup. He could do that for like seven, eight years. I feel bad being mean about the, the writing. I screw up sentences all the time. Question for the bag. Do you think the cartoon Simpsons or Toy Story football games would do better in the off season? I'd much rather watch these when I'm missing ball in May than a regular season when we have plenty to watch. I'm probably a bad person to ask. I didn't watch any of it as of right now, no kids. I wasn't a huge Simpsons guy. It's just, it's not really made. It's just not my pro. I'm not their consumer. Like, it's just I wouldn't watch that in May, I wouldn't watch that in November. So I'm just the wrong guy to ask. I think you're probably better doing in season. I think if you did that in the off season and played it when like at night on a Sunday. I don't know if people are watching. Love the pod. Been listening for a couple years. Wanted to get your thoughts on the state of college quarterbacks are the days of Herbert stories. Okay tier recruit then a longtime starter for the same school over it seems like all the great quarterbacks at the top of these drafts are either six year starters at a ton of schools or a one year guy with a high potential. Also wanted to tell you a name to write down for the future. C.J. bailey the NC State freshman quarterback six six and can sling it. Belichick should DM that guy see if he'll transfer. I think you got to be hesitant saying never. You know I mean I think when you look at Shador was going to if Dion had been at Colorado the whole time Shadow would have been three year starter Colorado, right. Cam Ward, you know the Pac 12 died so he left Washington State. Like the Washington State didn't even have a conference this year. They called it the Pac 12. It was two teams. Who else are we talking about? You know Quinn Ewers really when you close your eyes you think Quinn, you think Texas. He was at Ohio State for a minute but he's Carson Beck's been there the whole time. So I think if you go to the right school you can easily stay. But if you do become trying to think in recent memory a guy if you become a big time prospect at a school that's probably not going to win in Division 1 like if you're at Auburn or you're at NC State, you know Drake may last a couple years ago at North Carolina like Nick Saban wanted him. So like the top five or six programs when you're at ucla, UCLA and Oregon are going to call you when you're at Texas Tech and is like God, this guy might be Patrick Mahomes. Well Texas, Texas A and M and Alabama and LSU are going to be all over him and it's going to be very difficult, you know to keep that guy. But I think you'll still see look at Austin Gente, right? He stayed at Boise. He could have left for a million dollars to who knows where sweet schools and he stayed. I think it's all personality. I think if if you had really good friends on a team and your team was good, right. If you're on a competitive team, right. It's like Well, I could go to Ohio State or I could go to Alabama, but I'm at, let's say Texas A and M. That's a bad example because they got money. But it's hard because there's kind of a clear line of haves and have nots. You would have said back in the day, like, well, you're at Wisconsin. It's like, well, I'm at Wisconsin. We're struggling to get to 6 and 6. What if Michigan wants me? They didn't want me out of high school, but they want me now. What if I'm at Illinois? It's like we went 9 and 3 and Ohio State calls. It's like, yeah, it's fun to be at Illinois. These are my boys, but they offer me a million dollars. I'm only making 200 grand here and I can win the national championship. It's tough. Who do you think is the Heisman winner? I think it's a locked Travis Hunter. I mean, is it even a question? The guy plays like 110 plays a game. I think he deserves it as well. Love the topic on today's show about dating. I think he's alluding to me and Jackson. I told Jackson the dms. DMS or Tick Tock, dms, Instagram, dms, Twitter, dms. I think it's mostly dudes, but dms, baby. I think I haven't been on a dating app in years, but I think those are dead or dying. But then I've also heard Instagram is for old people now. So it's like the new Facebook for 40 to 50 year olds and all the, all the cool kids are on TikTok and Snapchat. Lifelong ASU fan here. I've never gotten my hopes up in the last 20 years because ASU loses conference championship games and always disappoints. I'm actually shocked this time by the beat down they put on Iowa State after watching the game. Do you think ASU has a legit chance with the risk or with the rise of Skattaboo to possibly get an upset of Texas or Clemson? Or am I dreaming? Also, should Skataboo be at the Heisman ceremony? I believe he should have been. He got jobbed a little bit. If he had done the same thing in the Big Ten or the SEC or even the ACC for a conference champion, I think he would be there. Like if he was Miami's running back or Clemson's running back into that, he would be there. If he was Penn State's running back, he would Be there. So I think he definitely got jobbed because unlike Gentee had a lot of momentum coming into the season. This guy just didn't. So I think it's unfair. I don't know, man. I think. I think you'd be an underdog clearly against Texas. And if Clemson won that game, they would have just beat SMU in Texas. They'd be rolling. They're just bigger and stronger and faster than you. But hell, I mean, I wouldn't say never. I would say you would have a better chance if that round. Like shouldn't we have home playoff games after the buy? Here'd be a change that I would throw out there. First round home playoff games. How about the second round? All the teams that buy get a home playoff game. Now maybe they would push back schools off because of Christmas and Christmas break, but you're telling me ASU, a Tempe on January 1st wouldn't sell out that game against Clemson's or Texas, Boise State hosting, you know, Penn State. It'd be full. Like it would be full. So maybe the weather plays a part. I don't know. I would recommend playing those teams getting home playoff game. I think you guys are probably one and done. Hell, there's nothing. What an you got to buy and then play Texas. If you just keep the game close, just an incredible accomplishment. I think it'd be a bigger upset for you to win then Boise. I think you and Boise are very similar team. Both good. I mean both deserve to be in the playoffs. But can you beat Texas or Clemson? I don't know. I'd have to ask my scouting buddies. Like how many NFL guys do you have as starters? Remove the running back because that. I might have to do some digging on that. Because if you just said how many guys you think ASU this year has drafted beside Skattebu? I don't. I mean a couple. I mean, you talk Texas, Clemson might have like 20 combined. That's just a big mismatch in talent. Now football scheme, heart, toughness, that's what makes the sport so great. They're, you know, that matters in a game. Fumble, you know, turnover, who knows? Shit gets weird. If you guys were to beat Texas, that'd be one of the coolest upsets ever. Most of what I've been seeing discussed in regards to McCarthy is whether Jerry Jones will or won't decide to give him a new contract. However, I haven't seen any discussion on whether McCarthy would actually want to stay with Jerry causing so many headaches and an inadequate roster for Actual contention. Do you think McCarthy would rather go somewhere else? I'd love to know your thoughts. That's a great question. I. You are the first person to even bring this up. McCarthy's a free agent, so his agent can talk. What if the Bears were like, hey, we'll give you a four year contract. We'll give you four years, $45 million. And Jerry's like, I'll give you a two year extension, $25 million. I'm just throwing random numbers here. But like, if you're McCarthy, you go, well, hey, Jerry, I mean, I got this. The Jags and the Bears want me to be their head coach. If the Bears can't get variable and won't get variable, why would they not want Mike McCarthy? He coaches the quarterback really well, he calls the offense, and he knows how to run a team. You could argue Mike. Mike McCarthy is a better candidate than Varable or equally as good. And when you factor in the rookie quarterback, like, he's probably better. So why wouldn't the Bears be interested in McCarthy now? I would rather be the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, even with Jerry annoying me, than the head coach of probably most teams. It's a very prestigious job, right? It's. There's a difference between being the manager of most baseball teams and being the manager of the Yankees. Like North Carolina basketball means a little bit more than Texas Tech basketball. So I think there's something to be the cache of the Dallas Cowboys. It just matters more. And he's been the coach of two places, the packers and the Cowboys. So to me, like the Jags, like those type teams, the Jets. I do think the Bears would be unique if they were interested because of the young quarterback. So maybe as crazy as it Sounds, what if McCarthy has options? What if Jerry then has to match? So, yeah, Mike McCarthy ended up getting a four year, $58 million extension. You'd be like, didn't see that coming. I guess on the table for the bag if the Falcons drop their fifth straight game to the Raiders, especially if it's to Desmond Ritter. How is Raheem Morris still the coach after the season? Especially with the decision to stick with Kirk? Well, the decision to stick with Kirk was made when they gave him $100 million. So part of sticking with Kirk is the owner just gave him $90 million guaranteed no matter what. That's real cash that he has to have in escrow. Just whatever the difference is of what you actually give him as a signing bonus, which was like 30, $40 million. So if I give someone $90 million, even if I'm a super rich guy, $90 million that I, no matter what, he could never play another snap. I have to pay him. And you guys are the one that told me to get him. He's playing all season long on principle. If they lose the Raiders, it'd be one of the biggest collapses. I mean, the Eagles was pretty bad. Last year was really bad. But like they were good before, they're good now. It's like the Falcons were like, okay, they're kind of, kind of looking good and now they're just in a free fall. Losing the Raiders would be really bad. You'd have to be a degenerate to bet on that game because you'd feel like you have to bet on the Falcons. But there might be a little, little underdog there with the Raiders. The Bengals have had a rough season and it's fair to say that it's not on the offense. It might also be tricky firing Taylor given how good of a bond he has with Joe Burrow. Why is nobody discussing the possibility of getting Robert Sala as a defensive coordinator for the Bengals? The rise and fall of the jets defense before and after the Salah era clearly shows how good of a DC is. Speaking of Joe Burrow, it is crazy this crime ring that is robbing these NFL players homes, which obviously if you were in a crime ring, well, it's like, hey, we need really rich people that we know aren't going to be home. Who would be the easiest person? Well, These guys make $50 million a year and I know for a fact they are not at their home, let alone the state right now because they're playing a football game. And what's funny is, you know, Maria working with this luxury homes, real estate stuff, you know, a lot of people and my brother who's in farming and has this app where you can like see different people's property. Like it would be a no brainer one if you're a famous person. Most of them make the real estate agents signed NDAs and a lot of people that live in their homes, you know again that are famous put it in. Like there was this famous actor that got, that had a situation. So my brother tried to figure out where he lived because this was an area which he went a lot. I don't want to give it away. And he, he has this app, you know, through farming that he can see who owns the land and obviously you can find stuff MLS and real estate agents have, can figure out who's paying the loan but you know a lot of famous people put stuff in LLCs. So you know, if you looked at my house or your house, most people's homes you can just find it's under John Middle cough, Bill Williamson, whoever you are. Right. Well sometimes you put them under little llc. You can't figure out it's like a desk brown llc. It's like who owns this house? I got no clue. And I do wonder, I don't know why I hit the decil hard there if some of these guys don't even realize that despite maybe their financial guys put it. But definitely if I were any of these guys, my name wouldn't be on any of this stuff because any property I owned because people are able to figure it out. The modern day criminal is using the Internet, using these apps, paying for them to figure out who owns what. But the bottom line is this celebrity that was in the situation, his, his house is under this. He's like, I'm pretty sure this is his house because the only house that I could find under the LLC and I knew the situation happened there so it's got to be his. But he told me the name of the llc. It's like you would never know. Okay, why is nobody discussing the possibility of getting Robert Salah as the DC for the Bengals? The rise and fall of the jets defense So I think, I think one thing, you know, part of Salah was with the Niners. When they were good on defense, they had really good players. When the jets were good the last couple years on defense, they had really good players. I watched the Bengals and like pass rusher sweet 91's a beast. But like are the rest of your players that good? Part of defense is double whammy. It's coaching, you know, in the pros, in college, like if you just got NFL guys everywhere, you're going to be awesome on defense in the pros you need Jimmy's and Joe's and you need the X's and O's. I can't just out scheme you on defense with bad players. I cannot do that now just because I got good players. If I got bad scheme, I'll lose two. But I got to have them both. And to me, the Bengals personnel is just not great. You take, you take 91 off the field, it's like how many guys on this defense would I want right now? I know they've had injuries, but diehard Vikings fan and just wanted to throw my two cents about keeping Darnold or letting him walk debate. This is a great Debate. This is, this is a great sports conversation. Sam Darnold is like a truly intriguing NFL sports conversation. So many of them are so stupid and you just like want to pull your hair out. This one's fascinating because you could make an argument on every single angle. I think extending Darnold could be a mistake if the Vikings do next season unless he wins the super bowl and at that point I don't care anymore. Pay him, whatever. As a Vikings fan, I just got done watching six disappointing years with us paying a good but not great quarterback, top of the line money and don't want to repeat the cycle. I know Sam probably won't command top of the line money, but I think over 30 plus million a year is wild for one good year of production. We have an elite trio of passcatchers and a genius offensive play caller. The Vikes are projected to have the fifth or sixth most salary cap room this upcoming offseason and have major holes to fill if we want to be serious contenders coming up. Obviously I'm no scout, But I think McCarthy possesses a lot of the same traits Sam does and can be elevated. If I was a betting man right now I would say Sam Darnold's not on your team next year and JJ McCarthy is your starting quarterback. I think where the risk is this, he's already been hurt so you have absolutely no clue clue about this guy's durability and he's never been asked throughout his career to carry you. Part of Darnold, it was disappointing with the jets was because we saw him carry Clay Helton in usc. So he has been used to doing it all on offense. JJ's never had to play that way so you have to force him to play a way that he's never played and then two, like you just never know. You never know. People thought Caleb Williams was going to have the greatest rookie season of all and I understand his coaching has been up and down, but it has been a very disappointing season just with his play. He's made some great plays. He's been a very average to below player. So I think there's a huge risk. Like the whole point of the sport is to land the players, right? Whether you get them in free agency or whether you get them in the draft or undrafted free agency or via trade. However you get T.J. watt or J.J. watt or Justin Jefferson or Sam Darnold or it doesn't matter. But once you get them and they play at a high level like it's on you to go, is this sustainable because like you said, big advantage you got. I think this year he's the second best wide receiver behind Chase, but one of the best players in the league. Obviously Addison's a stud. Aaron Jones is really good, great play caller, but it works. That's the purdy argument. Like it works. And I think once you have something, it's almost like you're, you're chasing the rainbow for the pot of gold. What if you get the end of the rainbow and the clouds clear and there's no pot of gold and you're like, oh, this is a disaster. I hear you. Like I'm not giving him $200 million. But if he plays well in the playoffs because what he's doing too is like part of Cousins. Cousins couldn't move. So Cousins had a flaw that if you got around him, this was pre injury, he was in trouble because he could not ad lib. He was bad. He's a bad athlete for NFL standards. Jay Gruden told us, great seven on seven quarterback, when he has time, he's awesome. But most of the NFL is not that. And as he's older now and he's been hurt like it's not, it looks awful. But I think when you look at Sam Darnold, what is one of his best traits? Mobility. It's part of why you drafted J.J. mcCarthy. He's like big time athlete. But Sam has a high end arm. JJ's arms good. I think a lot of people compare JJ closer to like Alex Smith. Sam is more like the light, light version of like Josh Allen. I think we got to watch how this plays out. I don't have like a definitive take. You got to extend them now, you got to cut them now. I do think down the stretch, these games are huge and obviously the play. What if he wins two playoff games? If I tell you Sam Darnold wins two playoff games and you lose in the AFC championship game, it's not like he plays bad. You just lose. He throws a couple touchdowns and you lose by touchdown or whatever. But it's not, no one's blaming him. He's going to let him walk. What would be the likelihood if I. Here's the litmus test I use. Take $1,000 and you had to bet $1,000 in the next three years. Using this hypothetical, Sam wins two playoff games, you lose in the championship game. So you don't make super bowl, but you win multiple playoff games. Playoff WINS Worth like 10 regular season wins. It's an incredible moment for a franchise. Right? You win two of them what would you place that thousand dollars on over the course of the next three years of J.J. mcCarthy? His rookie contract, not counting the fifth year option. Does he win two playoff games? Let's face it, the safe bet would be no. That's why I think, like, it went from like, oh, this is kind of a cool story to like, no, this is. This is a legit conversation that they're having internally that the fans are having. Like, there's substance behind this. Look, how many teams, like, what would the Raiders do to have Sam Darnold? What would the Giants do to have Sam Darnold, even if he's not this good, just to have a guy who's infinitely better than their guy? Some people think that he'll suck when he leaves. I don't know. I wonder if we see a different guy now. He talked about it this offseason. Like I learned. When he took a step back, he said he learned from Purdy not to play the sport, but how to train for the sport Monday through Friday, how to prepare, how to watch film. Like it went to another level with the Niners. And now he's taken that and put it with his physical gifts. The rest, obviously he benefits from good wide receivers. Joe Montana had Jerry Rice, Tom Brady had Gronkowski, Randy Moss, like Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison. Reggie Wayne, like, you're not going to be a good quarterback without some sweet weapons. Rogers, Jordy Nelson, Devonte Adams, Donald Driver, you know, Greg Jennings. Like, you kind of need some good players to be a good, to be a good quarterback. Mahomes struggling this year. Well, look at his weapons. What do you think of Rob Parker of Fox Sports saying Dan Campbell is worse coach than Brandon Staley for his reckless 4th down calls? Is that not completely idiotic? 4th down calls are punting aside. Brandon Staley couldn't sniff. Brandon Staley should be like Division 2 college comparing Dan Campbell to Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley is one of the biggest frauds to ever enter the National Football League. I wouldn't compare Brandon Staley. Brandon Staley's like Jim Tomsula. A couple more questions. My brother and I are huge fans. I appreciate that we're big Lions guys, but we're worried that our success may not be sustainable after the season due to reoccurring injuries and upcoming paydays for several players. Do you think they will fall susceptible to the issues currently facing a team built very similarly like the 49ers sooner than expected? I feel like most of your top players are paid Goff's under Contract, Sewell's under contract. Montgomery's under contract. LaPorta, Gibbs, second year players, Jameson Williams, young player, you're not getting paid. Hutchinson's going into his third year. Branch is a rookie. I feel like the core of your team is young guys or under contract. To me, the question with you guys, and they're your issue is not your roster. Injuries happen. Nothing you could do. Your issues, your coordinators, you know Ben Johnson, how he'll be as a head coach, who knows? You know, it's a coin flip. Most of these guys fail. But as an offensive coordinator with your personnel, he's elite. He's fucking elite. So losing him is a big blow. It's a big problem. So I that's a problem. You know, Aaron Glenn, like your defense plays their balls off for that guy. Part of being a coach is replacing coordinators. Shanahan's done it. McVeigh's done it. Belichick's done it countless times. Andy Reid's done it. It's part of the business. But it's hard. So I by far to me, there's not even a close second. That is the biggest question mark with the Detroit Lions. If Ben Johnson's a head coach, which all signs point to him being coming one. And I do think that Aaron Glenn is going to be head coach and probably the head coach of the New Orleans Saints, who are his two coordinators because replacing those two guys, I mean they've been with him the whole time. I know Ben Johnson hasn't been the offensive coordinator the whole time, but I'm pretty sure Aaron Glenn has. Right? So let me pull up Aaron Glenn's little wiki. He Aaron Glenn, sneaky was a Scout in 2012 and 2013. Yeah, Glenn's been with the whole time. So that's that to me would be the biggest question mark with the Lions. Appreciate everyone listening. We will be back reacting to Niners, Rams on Thursday and Stuckey will join us as well. Talk some gambling. Army, Navy, Army, Navy. God, I love America. Will be Saturday and obviously we got a pretty good we got Lions, Bills, Steelers, Eagles. We got, we got some good games this weekend. So very, very excited. So talk to you guys soon. The volume.

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