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Hopefully you're having a good weekend and enjoying some sun, some family, maybe a few drinks or maybe hanging out by the pool. But whatever you may be doing, we have a little best of for you this weekend. We had a crazy week. Started off actually last Saturday when Derek Carr retired. Not sure I saw that one coming. What's going on with the Bengals? Obviously their star pass rusher. Not happy text messaging with his head coach. Clearly not on the same page. And obviously by by middle end of the week we had a NFL schedule release. So from games being streamed to international games to primetime games, we will dive in to the schedule release. So let's talk a little football. Well, well, well. Derek Carr has, I don't want to say officially but unofficially retired from the National Football League and a little bit of a shocker. Not not sure that most of us saw this one coming though. Been a weird feels like last month or two with the back and forth with the Saints with kind of some threats about a season ending surgery with them them drafting a quarterback early in the second round. It did not feel like Kellen Moore and kind of the new vibe in the building was in on Derek Carr, which is understandable. Derek went to the Saints because of Dennis Allen who was obviously fired last year. But there's no more guessing how the situation is going to play out. Is he going to get surgery? Is he going to, you know, have to compete for his job? Can Kellen Moore, could they deal him? It's like nope, I'm done and you can retire at 34, 35 years old when you've made $200 million playing football and there is no disputing. He's been one of the more polarizing players over the course of his career because the one thing Derek Carr has been and he will go out as being is a starter in the NFL. This wasn't one of those guys that's like backed up some people bounced around. He's played for two teams. He's played in 169 games and he started every Single one of them. And I had a front row seat when he got drafted to the Saints and he beat out Matt Schaub in training camp. I remember being at a Pro preseason Game 4 against the Seattle Seahawks his rookie season. Pete Carroll was a little old school. This was a team that already won a Super Bowl. I think they'd already been to another. I mean they were easily one of the best teams in the NFL. Their defensive backfield, Cam Chancellor, Earl Thomas and obviously Richard Sherman. And those guys played in the fourth preseason game and Derek went right down the field, scored a touchdown on him. Then I think Pete pulled everybody, but then he scored either two more or three touchdowns in that first half and it was like Matt Schaub's done. And I think a day or two later Dennis Allen announced him as the starter and then he would go on to be the longtime starter for the Raiders. But some background that I had when I was hired out of college at Fresno State to be a GA in recruiting. When I got there in basically probably late May, early June, we had a recruiting class. And this is a day and age when the transfer portal didn't exist. There was only one signing day. People would commit, especially at schools like that, and for the most part they were going to end up playing football for you. And Derek Carr was, when I showed up, the by far the biggest current commit of the class. He was, he was a really good high school player. Probably could have gone to places like Cal Will, Jeff Tedford was who had coached his brother. I know Utah was really interested, like, but he was dead set in finishing kind of what his brother started. And he had committed very early on in his high school career and really never wavered. And I think his senior year he transferred from Texas back to Bakersfield and had a massive senior year. But he came to Fresno State honestly probably should have won the starting quarterback job as a true freshman. But coach Hill old school went with the longtime backup who just simply was not as good as Derek. But Derek not only backed him up that year, redshirted the next year, and then he started for the next three seasons. And if his name had been Derek Johnson instead of Derek Carr, I think he would have been a lock first round pick. But when I got, when I was around him his freshman year, I remember thinking like, this guy's got a big arm. This guy's a really talented player. And then after his freshman year I was hired into the NFL with the Eagles and I get there and Kevin Cobb, he ended up, ended up only starting a game because he got knocked out and Michael Vick came in. The rest is history. But I remember being in training camp practices, watching Kevin Cobb throw the ball and texting people back at Fresno. I was like, this guy doesn't throw it nearly as well as Derek. So I don't want to say that I knew Derek Carr was going to be an NFL starter right then and there, but I was. It was eye opening how much Derek's arm was going to translate. And by Derek's senior year at Fresno State, I think he threw 50 touchdowns. Nate picks, I mean, dominated. I mean, his last couple years, all Mountain west guy, him and Devonte, it wasn't even fair. It was like the equivalent of Jokic and Murray playing against me and you. But because of his name and his brother being a pretty legendary quote unquote bust and being someone that I would say is. Has a negative connotation in NFL circles, I do think it hurt him. But he ended up going in the top of the second round. And the one lesson I think you take away from Derek's career is so much is out of your control. Whether you're a football player for those of us in life, but specifically at quarterback, you get drafted, you don't pick the other players on your team. You don't get to determine who the coach is. You definitely don't get to determine the scheme, who the assistant coaches are going to be, who the GM is making the moves. And Derek went to a very, very chaotic organization. And basically for the first six or seven years he was there, it was all about, when are we going to move, how are we going to move? And then we are moving, but we're staying in Oakland for a couple years. Like, it wasn't a very easy situation for any player, let alone a young guy, especially the starting quarterback of the team. And everything that was thrown in his shoulders. Like, I do respect how much he had to handle because he, he was asked these questions constantly and he had nothing to do with any of them. But I do think his career could have turned out a lot better if it wasn't for a broken ankle his third season, because by his second year in the league, he had thrown 32 touchdowns. They had Amari Cooper, they had signed Crabtree. And it looked like this guy had a chance to be a pretty good quarterback. Like to be a guy that would be top 10 in the NFL the following year. They are good. They are. They have 11 wins going into week 15. He throws several touchdowns. He's in the conversation to be the mvp. He is taking to the Raiders to the playoffs for the first time in like 15 years. This was a franchise that hadn't been to the playoffs. Hell, hadn't sniffed the playoffs since like 0203 range. And in 2016, he wasn't just having a great year relative to the league, he was playing really, really well. I was going to all these games. I mean, he was playing like a top five or six quarterback in the NFL at a really, really high level. And then his ankle shatters. And honestly, I think after that point, I don't think his career was ever quite the same. Obviously the Raiders went to the playoffs, they started McGloin in the game and they got worked by the Texans. But then they go through Jack Del Rio, they hire Jon Gruden, the moving process happens. And again he, I don't think he was ever as good as that 2015, 2016 range. But by 2020 and 2021 under Jon Gruden, after everything had normalized a little bit, they had moved to Vegas. He was playing pretty well again. Over a two year span, he threw like 50 touchdowns and less than 25 picks and was a high completion percentage guy. And the team was just kind of headed in the right direction. And then Monday Night Football's going down, the New York Times has the report, and John Groom gets fired. And then a couple months later, after they get knocked out in the playoffs by the Bengals, they bring in Josh McDaniels. And it's very safe to say Derek's career on the field is all downhill after that. Now, he ended up making a lot of money and I do think he's kind of the poster child for the modern era of pro sports and the amount of money that's being giving out in specifically the NFL for any decent player. Like obviously if you're a star, you were making a lot of money in the 80s and the 90s and every generation, right? It's all relative. But even now, like Justin Jefferson, what Micah Parsons going to end up getting? You know, all these guys, the top guys are making money, but the top guys when I was a kid were making the most money. But when you get a guy like Derek, who's never won a playoff game, who's only been to the playoffs twice and one of them he couldn't attend because he had a shattered ankle. So the one playoff game he did start, he lost and didn't end great against the Bengals because he, he, he clocked the ball on first down in the, in the red zone late in the game. So he Basically gave away, you know, one of their four plays, which wasn't ideal, but someone had slid in my DMs and asked me, john, do you think Derek is pulling a Sean Payton doing a retire to kind of pivot? And, you know, kind of crossed my mind. The more and more I left, the just a reaction of what happened really seep in. And then I read about some of the stuff that happened. They're going to allow him to keep the $10 million roster bonus that he got for being on the team after free agency started. But he gave up the opportunity for the $30 million guaranteed this fall by retiring. Basically, like, we're good. And I don't think you would do that. Because if you, if this was really a double middle finger move to try to set a situation where in a year he could get out, why wouldn't he have just got his shoulder surgery this year? They would have been on the hook to pay him between the bonus and the salary, $40 million. And then, of course, they would have cut him next year and he would have been, in theory, healthy and a free agent to sign wherever he wanted to play. So I do believe him. And then I saw his wife had a post like, I think he's retired. I think he's just done. And I think when you've been in a situation when you played for the Raiders as long as he did, and then you go to the Saints and listen, some of it's his fault. Like, he had moments in big games where he did not play well. I'm not trying to act like he's a better player than he gets credit for because I think the last four or five years he's been pretty average. But he also represents, like I said, a guy that made over $200 million. So it's much easier to call it quits when you go, listen, I'm 34, 35, I got a big family. I guess they just moved to Fresno. Like, I'm done, I'm out. You've made a lot of money. I mean, there can't be. I know a lot of people in the Fresno area and while they do have some wealthy individuals, they're all business owners. There is not many people in the state of California outside of the San Francisco and LA area, so especially the Valley from Sacramento to Bakersfield, who have made over $200 million that never owned anything. He's just a W2 employee for the Raiders and the Saints. So Derek banked a lot of cash in the league and a lot of people would Say not playing that well. And I would say I do think he made a decision going to the Saints a couple years ago because of Dennis Allen and their previous relationship. I don't know if that's a great move. Obviously, Dennis Allen's not a very good head coach. And I think we do have to question the Saints, you know, minus, like, was Sean Payton the brains behind everything? And we're going to see with Kellen Moore if it was all Sean Payton, if this organization is, you know, has the ability to kind of overcome stuff. And I saw Kellen Moore said that we'll just have a. He's in an easy spot now. He's quarterback competition. Jake Hayner, Spencer Rattler and Tyler Schuck. But I think Derek Carr's retirement, I don't think it symbolizes anything. Like, could this be a new trend of guys retiring early? No. Now, is he going to get shoulder surgery? Is his injury legitimate? Because the Saints had a press release, Clearly, I don't think they're all on the same page about this injury. In a weird way, for a guy that you look at his wiki played in a lot of games. Does feel like recently he's had a lot of injuries from shoulder injuries to concussions. It just feels like over the last, you know, especially in the 2020s, there have been a lot of Sundays where if you have, you know, a Raider game or a Saints game on, Derek is on the ground laying there, and maybe he was just tired of the pounding he took and said, I'm. I've made enough money and I'm out. But I do think his career could have gone, like, if you played it over 10 times. I do think there are a couple scenarios where it goes way better and he goes to a stable organization. I think he always would have been a very polarizing player, like a Dak, like a Cousins. But look at Dak for a lot of his career. Like, we can nitpick, Jerry, and say he does some crazy shit. True. But, like, they've won a lot. They had three straight years where they won 12 games. I do think early on in Derek's career, had he not been with the Raiders, had he been with a team that kind of knew what they were doing, he could have been a guy that was constantly going to the playoffs. I mean, like, Andy Dalton doesn't mean he would have won in the playoffs, but I think Andy Dalton went to the playoffs six straight years starting quarterback. So a lot of times as a guy like that, Dak, Andy Dalton, Jimmy Garoppolo, like you're not going to go to a bad team and have success. It's going to be very, very difficult unless you're playing out of your mind. But if you're going to play to what your ability is, which relative to the rest of the quarterbacks is somewhere in the middle, you are going to need high level coaching, high level talent, ideally a good defense. And that was the other thing with the Raiders, like their defenses were a joke. I mean I remember the one year that Khalil Mack won the defensive player of the year and I didn't even think the defense was good. It was just him. The reason he won the defensive player of the year because he literally did everything like fumble sixes, pick sixes sacks was like, I, I don't even think there's anyone else good on this defense. Like a good defense wouldn't want any of the other players beside Khalil. And it also shows you the Raiders, man, they had a two year stretch where they got Khalil Mack, Derek Carr, so they got their star pass rusher, they got their starting quarterback and they got Amari Cooper, which early on looked like a really, really like a guy that was going to be a top three or four wide receiver in the league. And then by the time Jon Gruden got there, it was all kind of over and it was just Derek who was not quite as good as he once was. So kind of a crazy little tale of a career. But you know, at the end of the day, hard to say, you know, in Derek's shoes go I started for 11 years in the NFL, I made $200 million. You know, in his mind probably thinks it's really, really successful. And I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong, but I think the way people would talk about it would say he's unsuccessful get given how many starts he had and the results. And I think my overall take is I like most guys don't overcome in any like I could put you like you are going to have much more success if you're a finance guy and you go work for Goldman Sachs than if you go work for some crazy organization. I'm a much better podcaster because you guys can hear me because of Colin Coward than if I did not have him. A lot of stuff is out of our control. So he plays for the Raiders who are running through coaches who finally look like they got it right and then Gruden has to get fired because of everything that happened. It's just not a normal place to work, you know, And a Peyton Manning, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. There are certain type just freak talents that might be able to overcome it. Most guys cannot. You see the Cowboys when a couple things go wrong. Dak looks awful. It's like, what is happening? Say this for the most part in Kirk Cousins career, like when he signed with Minnesota, like they pretty well run organization with a lot of good players, right? It's like from Kevin o' Connell to Zimmer, like either they're good on defense or good on offense. A lot of talent around him, like, pretty good place to play. You know, it's Alex Smith. Everyone called the guy a shitty player until Jim Harbaugh showed up. And everyone's like, oh, I was okay. Then he goes to Andy Reid's like, oh, this guy's a playoff quarterback. And then up until his leg snapped in half with Washington, I think they were six and two, he's having a career year. It's like, yeah, you, you go to teams that either have good coaches or good talent around you and people that believe in you, you. You have a chance. And then when Josh McDaniels got there, that relationship was a disaster. And it turns out, like, say what you want about Derek. Josh McDaniels is a joke as a head coach, a complete scam artist. I mean, he ran one of the great fugazi campaigns we have ever seen. I read it. Dan Pompeii wrote the article like five years ago. It was like, jesus, I believe this. Josh McDaniels has changed his life around. It was about like him looking in the mirror and writing positive words of affirmation down in a journal. It's like, this guy's a way different human than he was for the Denver Broncos when he drafted Tim Tebow. And everyone in the building, including the. The animals, couldn't stand the asshole. It's like he has changed. And then we're like two months in, we're like, ah, same shit, different day. And listen, Dan Pompeii can write some compelling articles. I, I just read this one about spy tech and Tom Brady. I, I actually, I text John. I'm like, I don't know if you saw this, but this article about you and Tom is incredible. Dan Pompeii can write some gripping pieces that has Tom on the record. So, you know, it's not, you know, a scam piece like the Josh McDaniels was. And I don't even know if Josh McDaniels was a scam piece in the sense that he truly believed, like, I'm a positive person now. I'm different than I once was. I will not be Belichick this time around. It's like no bro, you will. You're going to do the same thing over and over and it didn't matter who played for Josh McDaniels, you would fail. Whether it's Team Tebow, whether it's Derek Carr, whether it's Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes, it would not go as well as it could because of this. We say it all the time with Brock Purdy. Like he's an incredible story and an easy guy to root for, even though he's obviously a polarizing individual in the world of people that talk about football. But like what he has accomplished being the last pick in the draft and how well he's played is fucking awesome. But he benefits greatly from going to Kyle Shanahan. If I gave Brock Purdy to some of these other teams, it probably would not look that and he'd be the first guy to tell you and I would have told Derek if you would advise me, should I go to the New Orleans Saints with Dennis Allen? Like I don't know if that's a great idea man. This might be your one last shot of getting an opportunity to be a long term starter and getting some money. And obviously money talks, shit walks. And they gave him 70, 80 million dollars guaranteed and he said yes. And now a couple years later he's retired. So crazy story. You never know what's going to happen in this league. But pretty good run for the Fresno State quarterback financially, that's for sure. Blending Vice's signature dynamic storytelling with the high octane world of sports, Vice Sports brings an exciting and diverse range of programming that goes beyond the game. 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I actually really want to go to the to Allegiant Stadium in Vegas. I've been to Vegas so many times in the last three or four years and every time I see it it looks. It just looks cool on the outside and obviously on the inside it by all accounts anyone listening that has been there. I actually played golf today with a guy who has gone to a game there. He's a Bears fan. I know a lot of people have been game and they say the place is badass. So if you ever want to make a little weekend trip out of Vegas, that stadium is pretty freaking cool and I mean host other events as well. But I do speaking of, you know, the Raiders in the AFC west. If I would have told you even a decade ago when Andy Reid and Alex Smith were consistently a 10:11 win team and going to the playoffs that they would land this quarterback and he would turn them in to the number one brand in football like that is so insane. And I think the power of the NFL and we talk a lot about this like as I'm recording this right now the Knicks are playing and whether I'm pretty sure they're going to win tonight. But even if they don't win tonight, I'm sure they'll win game six with Tatum out. They are just a massive brand that they're one of the biggest brands despite losing a lot the moment they get good because of their market and because of the quantity of the fan base. We use the Yankees a lot. Like it was a really big deal last year in the World Series. I don't know to have the Yankees and the Dodgers. Why historic brands. The Yankees have been winning since like Babe Ruth in the early 20s. The Dodgers are also been winning well before I was alive and they just have a large quantity of fans. So it is way more powerful to have those two teams in the World Series than other teams without the amount of amount of fans. It's why last year's World Series did huge numbers and basketball and baseball are so dependent on the big boy brands like if the Lakers played the Knicks be no different than the Dodgers and the Yankees. It would be incredible do historic numbers. The NFL has found a way. I mean think about this. Two of the biggest brands in the NFL are in Green Bay, Wisconsin and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. It's because those two franchises, I mean the packers are also historic brand and haven't, you know, really lost for 30 plus years. And the Steelers have been winning since 70s. I don't mean Super Bowls but just winning. So you accumulate a lot of fans by a bandwagon. The Chiefs over the course of like six or seven years of starting Patrick Mahomes and have turned into a team 5 of the first 8 weeks they are on Primetime Week 1, Brazil, YouTube standalone games Week 3 at Giants Sunday Night Football Week 5 at Jacksonville, Monday Night Football Week 6 Detroit Sunday Night Football Week 8 Washington Monday Night Football. Now the Giants in theory if they're good are a big time. They've been terrible for over a decade. So you just put the Chiefs on Sunday night and Monday night against the Giants and the Jags like we're good because no matter what, even if those teams suck, we got Mahomes. And it's just crazy how it's become like this because in a short period of time they have become, you know, I think a lot of people get tired of like why are we going to talk about the Cowboys? Why do we got to talk about the Cowboys? Because this is all a numbers game. And there's a reason historically like they just got more fans. They now it gets to the point like last year, if you're going to suck like that and if you're not good again, we got to be able to talk about other teams. And the chief's like, hey, we'll. We will enter the chat and they have and it's pretty clear that. And I don't even five of the first eight weeks. They also play on Thanksgiving and Christmas. So it tells you everything you need to know. They, they wet the beak of NBC and ESPN and even YouTube. They also take care of Netflix and Amazon. It truly is incredible how fast they have become just a behemoth of a cash cow for the league. You put them on television. Listen, Andy's been winning for almost 30 years now. But to me their secret sauce and you could also call it a combination of like Mahomes, the biggest star in the NFL. He's the biggest name in the NFL. And I don't think you can dispute even if it annoys people when they show Them on Travis. Dating her is kind of a big deal. I do think that plays a part into the power of this brand because I don't exactly know where Kansas City falls on the size of some of these markets like the LA Rams. Now, granted, they've moved around a little bit, but they've been good now since Sean McVeigh got there. They don't get treated like this. So it really is crazy how big Mahomes and Taylor Swift slash Kelsey have turned this franchise into. The other thing I find pretty fascinating is, and we've been talking about this for a while and listen, I've benefited from this. My life has directly benefited because of technology, and it changed my life because I can do a podcast from a home office that goes on this phone that you guys make sure nothing crazy is up there that you guys can listen to. And obviously, YouTube has been incredible for the podcast business again, but forever, in the NFL, like, you took care of your main partners, and in the NFL, they make their money from NBC, cbs, abc and Fox. That is like, listen, you'd be like, well, the NFL doesn't care what anyone thinks. True. Except pissing those people off. Why? Because they write enormous checks. Well, over the course, I would say, of the last decade, Amazon clearly got into the streaming world. They now have Thursday Night Football. Netflix had been around. They dabbled in the live events. And then a couple years ago, like, yeah, we're interested in football. It's like, oh, shit, the power of YouTube. Now the NFL gives Netflix these two Christmas Day games. They're good games. I mean, Dallas might not be any good, but they get Dallas at Washington, which will crush Detroit at Minnesota. I mean, that game last year was for the number one overall seed in the NFC in Denver at Kansas City, the NFL's current biggest brand against a playoff team in Denver, which also, if they're good, is a big deal. So they are taking care of Netflix and Amazon at a pretty high level. And if I'm Fox and I'm cbs and I'm NBC, clearly the way these wins have changed over the course of the last five, six years, we all know the cable bundle is not going to exist. And it's why I did defend the NFL a couple years ago for putting, I think it was Chiefs, Dolphins on Peacock. It's like, listen, I don't love having to give 20 bucks for one game of peacock, and I technically already own because they had some golf events. But would I love this just to be on regular NBC? Sure. But I also don't live under a rock and understand that like NBC, the network is not going to exist. And if the NFL, like the, the, the older, the patriarchs of the family, the Jerry Joneses, the Al Davis's, the, the whatever, the oldest Rooney, like the, the old, the Spanos's dad, the people that got in and when the business started taking off, it was all the networks. Well, now it's like, hey, Amazon, Google and Netflix, they got way more money than these people. Oh yeah. They also have a way bigger reach. So one thing that is clearly inevitable, I mean Amazon, they got into the Thursday night game, they're now getting, they got a Black Friday game this year, which is obviously big for them. I think they had that last year as well. They have the Amazon night game on Christmas. To me, the YouTube thing, week one, Chiefs, Chargers is fascinating. Like, I mean, we all know most of you. I'm sure someone asked me the other day, like, how much time do you spend on Twitter? And I'm like, honestly, if I'm not sitting at my desk, I used to spend, you know, I would say 10, eight, you know, seven years ago a lot. And I think over the last several years, the majority of time, even if I'm sitting at my desk and definitely on my phone, the first app I go to is either Instagram or YouTube. And the NFL knows this. And they look like, how much money does Google have? An unlimited amount. Yeah, we're going to start doing business with you. So if I was, and let's not. Fox changed my life. When I was a kid, they got, if you're my age, you know, 40, a little younger and definitely older. You remember when Fox got into the NFL and it was I think 93 or 94, they signed John Madden, they come in right as the 49ers and the Cowboys, I mean the Cowboys are starting this little five year dynasty. The 49ers had been winning for 15 years. Favre gets traded to Green Bay. It was the perfect storm. And it was an incredible move for Fox, for the NFL, it worked out perfectly. And they have been very loyal to them forever. And now look at Fox. They try really hard. They get Tom Brady. I saw Tom Brady schedule, obviously a bunch of Cowboy games, the occasional like 49er eagle game. But it's the Cowboys win or lose. You know, the nfc, they always lean with the Cowboys, but that was a really, really big deal. And I think these people, and obviously these networks know, but they gotta be a little nervous now. Like Netflix isn't just dipping their toe in the water and here's the other thing the league has done. They have given these, like, if you put a game on Netflix, like just a random game on Sunday afternoon and there were multiple other games, it would not be as powerful. Amazon was smart getting the primetime package, whatever, several years ago on Thursday night, you don't have to compete against anybody. And the NFL was smart. Like, that's what we want you to have. Because if, if you told me that, like, oh, the Giants are playing the Jags, you know, one of the 10am games on Amazon, you know what I would do and you would do more than likely, especially if we didn't have money on the game or you didn't have a player on the fantasy team, you might not put it on one of your televisions yet. They give all these streaming platforms, Netflix, Amazon and this YouTube. You're not competing against anybody else. So even depending on your setup at home, it's not a pain in the ass at all because it's the only game on. So as we've seen, the only game on television, especially if it's the Cowboys or the Lions versus Minnesota or the Chiefs or the Chiefs versus Harbaugh, we know these games are going to do great because they're big time games with big time people, either coaches or star players, and they're going to crush. So you're not only wetting their beak, you're making them realize like, God, this is a powerful fucking product. Because whenever this new negotiation happens, which I think as an opportunity in 2029, I just wonder how big of a player Fox and NBC and CBS are going to be able to compete against this. Because the more and more that these people get a taste of it, it's like, God, did you see the numbers that Patrick Mahomes and Jim Harbaugh did on YouTube? I'm speaking as if I was like a Google executive. It's like, maybe we should ask for a couple more games. YouTube TV is already in bed because they have the DirecTV. You know, it's not DirecTV but what DirecTV used to have, the NFL package. I'm sure like many of you watch it every week. It's incredible. So to me, I'm fascinated by these streaming platforms that Amazon clearly is not going away and Netflix getting more and more involved. And I think Florio wrote about this. They're just stealing games away. That would have, like, where do you think Detroit and Minnesota would have been if the Christmas games had never existed in the leagues? Like, listen, Adam Silver, you just, you guys can handle Christmas throw LeBron, Steph and Jokic on there and you guys just have that day. We'll just chill, right? Where would Detroit and Minnesota have gone? That would have been potentially like a Tom Brady game, You know, on that Sunday, that would have been the primetime Fox game. Where do you think Denver at Kansas City would have been? Probably the primetime CBS game with Jim Nance and Tony Romo. 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One of the big stories over the last 24 hours has been the Cincinnati Bengals. And I got to throw a red flag on one situation and I gotta say I'm going to support them in another. And I think two things that have happened over the last couple days is Trey Hendrickson basically went on record with Adam Schefter today discussing his displeasure that no one has talked to him since the draft. There have been no communications on a new contract. That sounds kind of crazy. When you read the headline, you realize the draft was like two and a half weeks ago. It's like we're acting like this was four months ago. I don't think it's that crazy. We're focused on the draft and we're focused on getting the guys in. I don't think that's the craziest thing and we'll dive into that in a second. But the bigger story was the Bengals first round pick Shemar Stewart, the really physically gifted player from Texas A and M athletic freak, didn't really produce at the level of his athleticism, but was drafted 17th overall and pretty intriguing. Draft pick is it's either kind of a boom or bust. Feels like they're swinging for the fences. Don't hate it. Don't love it. Understand it. Add pick 17 don't hate it. He did not practice this week at rookie minicamp, which is kind of crazy given that everyone practices if they're healthy. He just stood there and watched. So like, given that this is a borderline unprecedented situation, I had to do some digging. There was an article today in the Cincinnati Inquirer that one of the issues because I thought one of the reasons all these guys practice not because most of them have their rookie deal signed before rookie minicamp. They do not. They typically get an injury waiver. So if something catastrophic were to happen, they would be covered. And the reality is the type of practice that you have now at these rookie minicamps is a joke. I mean, OTAs in general is nowhere near what it used to be. And the majority of this stuff is walk through mental stuff. The chances of people getting hurt now are very, very slim. Still, football still definitely a risk. And at any moment someone could fall on you. Things that are out of your control. So it's like there is some understanding of a risk that you are taking. Now the issue that the Inquirer reported was everything is slotted now, right? I just read that the Seattle Seahawks have signed the North Dakota State guard who was the 18th overall pick. So you are seeing rookie sign left and right. What are you really arguing over? You can argue over dates in which bonuses are paid, right? I give you a signing bonus. How we prorate that, how it's paid, the percentage in which it's paid and injury guarantees has been an issue somewhat that teams have butted heads on. Well, Cincinnati, I guess had offered Stewart a lower percentage than Dallas. Turner got in the same slot last year from the Vikings. So he's like, at most we should just be on par with that. There is a precedent set. So while I will get into defending Cincinnati a little bit, when it comes to Trey, this one feels like, listen, part of negotiation should be a little back and forth. There shouldn't really be any with this. This should be pretty black and white. Like, what are we doing? It's one thing to lowball a player that's a free agent because he's highballing you and you end up meeting in the middle. Is highball even a term? You know what I mean? He comes in low, I come in high. And we eventually know we're going to meet in the middle, right? You list your house overpriced for a million dollars. I come in at 850. I know we're going to end up meeting at 9:28 and be cool with it. I know you'll take it. Your agent's already told my agent. They're like, listen, if you can just get close to the 9:50 number. I said, listen, I'll come up a little before nine, but we're going to meet in the middle. That's not what this is. These things are slotted in Cincinnati. Like, I think sometimes when you get a negative, there's like a narrative or a talking point about you as a human being, as a company, as a franchise, it's hard to shake that. Right? And I would say when people think about Cincinnati, their first reaction is somewhat negative. Like, ah, kind of a low level franchise. So when this story comes out, it's easy for everyone to pile on them. Where if you're a high level franchise, like if, if I had told you that Howie Roseman or Les Snead was in a standoff about a situation like this, those guys would get the benefit of the doubt. You'd be like, what's up with that fucking agent? And here's the reality of agents. The agent of the player does not give a shit about the team. That is not his job. I think sometimes they overhype. Like I love my guys, I love my relationship. No, you're in the business of getting your 2, 5, whatever your points are on the deal to make money so that your 17 year old drives a Mercedes as well. Like this is a business. Let's, let's not get it twisted. You can say it's a human business and it is. You're representing players. But you wouldn't be doing this, you're not doing this for charity here. You're doing it because there's a lot of money on the line and ideally you're buying it early to get that second contract and really go Cha Ching. So like the, the, the objective of the agent and the objective of the team are never going to be the same. The team only cares about doing what's best, short and long term for the franchise and trying to win. The agent just does not give a shit. His, the player he represents might, but the agent does not. But in a situation like this, like I'm sorry, bad look for the Bengals, also just bizarre. Like of course this happens to the Bengals. Now the Trey Hendricks sin thing is a little, I would say there's a little more gray area. He's 30 years old, will be 31, just had a career, two years where he had 35 sacks. Would you be in the business of giving 100 plus million dollars to a guy that broke out in his career at 29 and 30 years old? Because I don't know, I might struggle with that. Like it'd be one thing, it's like, hey man, you could get me for two years and $60 million. I don't think he's signing that contract. He's looking at Max Crosby, he's looking at Miles Garrett, like he wants a long term, huge deal. And while they Just signed their two wide receivers. Those guys are younger players. Trey Hendrickson was not a guy they drafted. He was a guy they got because it did not work out for him in his first stop. And part of that was injuries. Part of that was just figuring out how to become a pass rusher. And he's coming to his own and he's been an excellent dominant player. But I do understand if I ran the organization and I think this is how it would be if the Ravens ran it, if the Eagles ran it, if the Chiefs ran it. This isn't just a no brainer here, Trey. Here's your blank check. And I think for him and I saw J.J. watt tweeting like, of course they told him, have another big year and then we'll take care of you. Yeah, this guy's his business. You know, this is one of those things. If it's a little more complicated than just give him a bunch of money, like ultimately T. Higgins is getting a lot of money no matter what. The Bengals just had to decide, like, are we going to invest a lot of money in two players at the same position? This is one of those where even good teams would be like, yeah, we're going to hesitate on giving an older player that much money now maybe he goes on to have three more years, no injuries, kicks ass, and you look back and go, God, it was a no brainer. But what if, like you're a year and a half in, you're like, God, he's already banged up again because he was early on in his career. So I think it's easy for him to come out and kind of paint the Bengals as the bad guy and no one is going to defend them because of what's going on with their rookie. But I do think this situation is a little more complicated and they're going, you're not a free agent. It's not like we're franchising you. You're on a contract for $15 million. Like we've already. Now listen, they're owner's daughter had made some comments a while back that not the way I would do business. But I also think Trey coming out like this, I don't think that's helping his cause either. So I think this is a more complicated situation and it's easy for every swinging dick on television that played in the league to go like, he's getting screwed, he is getting railroaded. And that's going to be the majority of shows you're going to turn it on. 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In this episode of The Herd with Colin Cowherd, host John navigates through some of the most compelling sports stories of the week. The discussions delve into Derek Carr's unexpected retirement, the much-anticipated NFL schedule release, and the latest developments surrounding the Cincinnati Bengals. With insightful analysis and candid opinions, John provides listeners with a comprehensive understanding of these high-profile topics.
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The week opened with the surprising announcement of Derek Carr's retirement from the NFL. John expresses his astonishment, stating, "Not sure I saw that one coming" ([05:10]). He reflects on Carr's career, highlighting his consistency and resilience as a starting quarterback.
Career Highlights and Challenges:
John provides an in-depth look at Carr's journey, noting his unwavering presence in every game he played—169 starts to be exact. He reminisces about Carr's early days with the Raiders, mentioning how Carr outperformed Matt Schaub during training camp, earning his starting position with impressive performances in preseason games. "He scored a touchdown on Cam Chancellor, then two or three more in the first half—Matt Schaub was done," John recalls ([10:25]).
Impact of External Factors:
John discusses the external challenges that may have influenced Carr's decision to retire, such as organizational instability with the Raiders' frequent coaching changes and the transition to the Saints. "There is no disputing he's been one of the more polarizing players over the course of his career," John observes ([18:40]). Additionally, he points out that injuries, like the broken ankle in Carr's third season, significantly impacted his performance and career trajectory.
Financial Considerations:
Highlighting the financial aspect, John mentions, "Derek has made over $200 million playing football," emphasizing that the substantial earnings provided Carr the financial freedom to retire comfortably at 34. "You've made a lot of money. There can't be," he notes ([22:15]).
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The release of the NFL schedule was another focal point of the episode. John provides a breakdown of the key matchups and the strategic placement of marquee teams in prime time slots.
Kansas City Chiefs' Domination:
A significant portion of the schedule features the Kansas City Chiefs in multiple prime time games. John remarks, "They have become a behemoth of a cash cow for the league," ([25:00]) highlighting how star players like Patrick Mahomes have elevated the Chiefs' brand to unparalleled heights.
Streaming and Broadcasting Evolution:
John discusses the NFL's shift towards streaming platforms, noting partnerships with Amazon, Netflix, and YouTube. "The NFL has found a way to maximize exposure by leveraging these platforms," he states ([30:45]). He emphasizes how exclusive deals with streaming giants are reshaping how fans consume football, ensuring that high-profile games receive maximum viewership without competing against other broadcasts.
Historic vs. Emerging Brands:
Comparing historic teams like the Green Bay Packers and Pittsburgh Steelers to emerging powerhouses, John analyzes how sustained success and star power influence scheduling decisions. "Mahomes is the biggest star in the NFL. He's the biggest name in the NFL," he asserts ([35:20]), underscoring the Chiefs' strategic advantage in attracting viewership.
Timestamp: [46:01]
The episode delves deep into the current state of the Cincinnati Bengals, focusing on two main issues: contract negotiations with star pass rusher Trey Hendrickson and the performance of their first-round pick, Shemar Stewart.
Contract Negotiations with Trey Hendrickson:
John explores the standoff between Hendrickson and the Bengals, pointing out the complexities involved. "This is a more complicated situation, and it's easy for every swinging dick on television to paint the Bengals as the bad guy," he comments ([50:45]). He elaborates on Hendrickson's outstanding performance over the past two seasons, including 35 sacks, and the Bengals' dilemma in offering a suitable contract that reflects his value without overcommitting financially.
First-Round Pick Shemar Stewart's Performance:
Addressing Stewart's lack of participation in rookie minicamp, John raises concerns about his readiness and the Bengals' drafting strategy. "He did not practice this week at rookie minicamp, which is kind of crazy given that everyone practices if they're healthy," he observes ([46:15]). John suggests that while Stewart possesses remarkable physical attributes, his on-field production hasn't matched expectations, making his future with the team uncertain.
Organizational Challenges:
John highlights the Bengals' broader organizational issues, including negative perceptions and internal dynamics that may be affecting team performance. "The agent of the player does not give a shit about the team," he states ([55:30]), emphasizing the disconnect between player representation and team interests.
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Towards the end of the episode, John shares his perspectives on the evolving landscape of NFL team branding and media partnerships.
Impact of Streaming Platforms:
He discusses how the NFL's collaboration with streaming services like Amazon and Netflix is changing the game's accessibility and popularity. "They're stealing games away from traditional networks, and streaming platforms are becoming the new power brokers," John explains ([58:10]).
Future of NFL Broadcasting:
John speculates on the future of NFL broadcasting, questioning how traditional networks like Fox and NBC will compete with the rising dominance of streaming giants. "As these platforms grow, the traditional cable bundles are struggling to keep up," he predicts ([59:45]).
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John wraps up the episode by reflecting on the unpredictability of NFL careers and the importance of strategic management within teams. He emphasizes that while external factors often influence outcomes, the role of leadership and organizational stability remains paramount for sustained success.
Key Takeaways:
John concludes with the thought that the ever-evolving nature of the NFL requires teams to be adaptable and forward-thinking to maintain competitiveness and fan engagement.
This summary provides a comprehensive overview of the key discussions from the episode, encapsulating the essential points and insights shared by the host. For those who haven't listened to the episode, this serves as a detailed guide to understanding the latest developments in the NFL.