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3 & Out - Best of the week: Rodgers out in NY, Draft talk, NFL salary cap
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What is happening my people? How's everyone doing? Well, you can't really answer because it's a podcast. I'm talking to myself. But hopefully you're doing well. And what we put together this this weekend is a little best of. We took some of our our favorite segments from the week, our favorite takes, favorite thoughts, and put them together in a little Weekend Edition. So that will be the plan today. And what I need you to do is subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins feed, we have our own three and out feed. Make sure you hammer that subscribe button. Spotify, Apple, wherever you may listen. I know actually a lot of people listen on Spotify. Business booming there and YouTube because all of our content is up on there as well. So from mailbags to obviously podcasts, you name it. So we put all our content up on the YouTube page. So make sure you go subscribe to that page to get the latest and greatest. And other than that, let's dive into the to the week that was. Let's start with Aaron Rodgers who was officially cut, I guess unofficially because the waiver wires dead for I think another week or so. But the jets put out a statement and basically I love it. You know, in sports I guess I follow so closely, maybe it happens in other industries, but it's just a, it's a go to football thing. When a player or a coach is fired, like we wish him the best in his future endeavors and whatever he pursues in the future, like I love that being the final statement. It's like, no, you can't get this guy out of your building quick enough. And this isn't just on Aaron Rodgers, this is on anytime a coach is fired. Jerry said it with Mike McCarthy, it happens with every person. It's like, I wish you the best. No, you want this guy gone and you hope whoever you bring in to replace him is way better than this guy. So you're actually not wishing him the best. But the Aaron Rodgers situation was. It's funny, you know, they went all in. I don't blame them for doing it. And it didn't just backfire in their face. It was a disaster. It was like an epic all time disaster. It was one of those situations that's going to be talked about the rest of my life. I mean there were some historic ones when I was young that I didn't witness. Like hey, remember Willie Mays on the Mets? It's like, no, I don't. But clearly that didn't go well. And that feels like it's going to be one of those situations, especially if Rogers doesn't play anymore. And I never blame a player for trying to play till his like essentially athletic dying days. Because the real world sucks compared to getting to play football, basketball, baseball, hockey, you name it, for a living. It doesn't get any better than that. And mainly it doesn't pay any better than that. And when you play quarterback, even at like a mediocre level. I mean, Gardner Minshew got $15 million last year from the Raiders. There aren't many W2 jobs on the open market that pay $15 million. So Aaron Rodgers, who his days of getting 40, $50 million are over. But when you look at GARDNER MINSHEW Getting $15 million, it's very conceivable that someone could pay him one year, 20, $25 million. So I would not blame him for trying to continue his career. The problem is his options, and we've talked about this before, are not going to be very good. It's going to be the jets, it's going to be the Raiders, it's going to be teams like the Giants. It's going to be teams that are all drafting really, really high for a reason. They suck. So when I, if I was giving advice to Aaron Rodgers and if I was giving advice to Amazon, doesn't this make a lot of sense? Like, listen, Herb street and Al got that thing off the, off the mat, got it going, got it going in the right direction, made it a valuable property. Right. A lot of us watch Thursday Night Football, 10 to 15 million people. But Al feels like he's, I'm pro Al Michaels, but a couple steps away from retirement and the Herb street thing was kind of filler because they got denied on guys like John lynch and Sean McVay. Well, Aaron Rodgers sitting right there for you and doesn't it kind of scratch Aaron's itch? Like part of staying as an NFL quarterback, if he were to sign with a bad team, wouldn't just be because of money. It would be because of what the NFL brings. Keeps you relevant, keeps you in the public eye, helps you, you know, be in the mix to your off the field businesses. Well, isn't that what this modern day television show does? Because look at Tom Brady. They gave him 350, $375 million. He'd never called a game. I would say Aaron Rodgers has proven to be much more of an outgoing personality of willing to say whatever and that's the space he's in. Like ultimately the space of calling a football game is entertainment. Right. It's not like you got to just color within the lines. No, like be yourself, do whatever you want to do. And I do think Aaron Rodgers to Amazon, like, listen, makes a lot of sense. And if I was Amazon, I would be all over them. And the money that they were willing to pay a couple years ago to guys like McVeigh and John lynch were eye opening. Why wouldn't they be willing to do that with Aaron Rodgers. Why wouldn't they be willing to, like, okay, it's like, Fox made a big splash, obviously. A couple years ago, ESPN made a big splash hiring Joe Buck and Troy Aikman away from Fox. Maybe this is Amazon's time. And listen, I'm not saying he would take it. Maybe he wants no part of this. Aaron Rodgers doesn't seem like he's destined to be, like, a coach or a gm, but this feels like kind of a cushy gig. You could make 15, 20 million dollars a year, do it for a couple years, ease into retirement, still get paid a premium, get to be around football, and, let's face it, kind of keep yourself relevant. I actually think, like, this is the perfect gig for him. If he asked me for advice, not saying he would, and he won't. It's like, should I go to the Titans or should I go to the Raiders, or should I be interested in Amazon and Amazon? Like, I'm sorry. Like, it's time to get a new booth. It's time to blow that thing up. And I think Rogers is the perfect individual for that spot. I think when you look at the jets, and I think the Falcons fall under this, too, sometimes in life, you have to be desperate. Like, part of the reason I'm a podcaster is because probably about a decade ago, there were some desperate times, and it kind of led me into this profession. And it's worked out pretty well, right? There are times in your life, professionally and probably personally, where you have to do desperate things. Because the old adage is, never make a business decision out of desperation. I think that's a little bullshit. I would. The way I would phrase it would be, never make a big business decision out of desperation. And I think anytime that you trade or pay a quarterback a lot of money, when you're in a situation like the Falcons were, when you're in a situation like the jets were, it's not an ideal operation because you go, well, why are the packers trading me this guy? Why doesn't Kevin O'Connell and the Minnesota Vikings want this player back? And currently the name that's floating around is Matt Stafford, and it's, you know, the Rams, I don't know him and Matt Stafford. And we've heard it now for a couple years. It's like something's just a little off. And I think usually this stuff comes back to money. And I don't blame the Rams. Like, yeah, we're not really into giving you, like, $100 million guaranteed right now. At 37, 38 years old, we're not into getting into a position where if this does go off the rails, we feel like we're the Atlanta Falcons or the New York Jets. We're going to take a huge, huge cap hit for a guy that, you know, we feel is on the wrong side, probably on hole 17, 18, who we're proven we can still win with and we like playing with. But this is a business and we're a little uncomfortable with where we're at in this cycle now. We don't have many better options. We actually don't have any other options, but we don't plan on giving you a big contract extension. So if you want that contract extension, you're going to have to get it from someone else. And when I see that teams like, ah, the Giants could be really interested in Matt Stafford, like that's got disaster written all over. Really does. Like, okay, the New York Giants, who have been one of the worst operations for a decade plus, would be interested in trading for Matt Stafford. And obviously if you're going to trade for him, you're going to give him a lot more money on his contract because Sean McVay and the LA Rams, who have established themselves as clearly one of the best operations in the league, are over it. I would not be doing that. I would not be getting into business with situations that well run franchises want out of. Especially even with, you know, we saw it last year with Kirk Cousins, who is going to be released in the next couple weeks. He was available for a reason. He was old, he was injured and he was going to be really, really expensive. And the Falcons were like, yeah, we'll give you a $90 million guaranteed. And it was clear by halfway through the season, like, this is an epic disaster. And part of the reason it was a disaster is like your coaching staff, do they know what they're doing? Like Matt Stafford used to be way better. Why? He was younger, he was in the prime of his career and he was around people that were over their head and they did not win. Like part of being a good player in the NFL is you also need good coaches and a good operation in the NFL. Like it's pretty clear looking back when Tom Brady chose the Bucks, like, yeah, they had Bruce Arians, Jason Light, who's one of the best GMs and a lot of good players around him. They were actually pretty well built to handle that situation. If you would have put Tom Brady on a team that was not, it would have blown up in his face. So when I see desperation when it comes to older quarterbacks. I see a massive, massive red flag. And I see something as an owner, like, I understand why a general manager, why a coach, people on the hot seat and people that are desperate to keep their jobs would want to do make a decision like that. But, and I'm not pro meddling and you hear this a lot like, you know, the owner can't just stay out of the way. Well, sometimes you have to get involved because you're like, this is a moronic idea. I don't need to know our entire playbook and the entire draft board to know I don't like the way this looks, the way this smells, or where this has a potential to go. There's way more negative outcomes than it comes to positive outcomes when it comes to this transaction. So I would just. The Stafford business, if LA wants out, I'm sorry, I don't want in. Okay, let's go to a little draft conversation because there was a big story at the end of last week that Travis Hunter gave the list of guys going to the combine and Travis Hunter was listed as a corner. And I say this all the time during the draft and I will continue to beat this drum. Where you are drafted and how you are discussed as a draft prospect has nothing to do with how you're going to be as an NFL player. So your draft value, this is an economic exercise, right? So if I view you as a second round pick, that has nothing to do with what you're going to be once you get to the NFL, but based on whether it be size and measurables, speed, production, just overall talent, I don't view you as I need to take you in the top 20 picks to acquire your services, right? There are a lot of homes that go for $700,000 that would be a great place to lay your head down every night. But there's a reason that house costs $700,000. If you put it into a different market, that house might be $2.2 million. And sometimes guys and players coming out of college based on a bunch of different circumstances, some of them out of their own control, their draft value is different from what it would be if I took this guy from Texas Tech and I put him at Ohio State. That's part of the business. We're no different with positions. We say this all the time, right? It's obvious. Quarterback is the number one position in the NFL and if you need a quarterback and you're drafting a quarterback and the guy is viewed as an NFL starter, You draft him number one, you don't even hesitate. And then offensive and defensive linemen, when it comes to tackles and pass rushers, are both you right behind him. You could make the argument that the third most valuable position. So if you go quarterback, offensive, a defensive lineman, tackles and ends, I would say corner would have to be pretty high up there. And if you could tell me, hey, you think both these guys are going to be an all pro, would you take a wide receiver or would you take a Cornerback? I would 1000% take a corner because it is typically easier to find good wide receivers later in the draft than it is corners, especially if I view the guy as a lockdown player. And I think Travis Hunter, whether he made the decision, whether Deion helped to make the decision, whether whoever in his life helped to make this decision, it was the correct decision. Because when you look at the wide receiver class, it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. It's all size, you know, different size requirements. Some teams need this, some teams need that, and they're just not viewed as highly in the sense of I can find guys later in the draft. That is just not true for corners. And at the end of the day, Travis Hunter as a wide receiver prospect, he's really good. Like he is a first round wide receiver prospect. But I don't view him like Jamar Chase or, you know, last year I had, I thought Malik Neighbors was a better prospect than Marvin Harrison. Like just some can't miss, no doubt about it, guy you would take in the top five. But at corner, looking back last year, how many teams regret passing on guys like Jared Verse and Quinion Mitchell for the Eagles? Obviously looking back, the defensive linemen should have gone higher. But if you could do it over, there's no way on God's green earth that Mitchell ends up to the Eagles in the early 20s. He probably ends up going in the top 10 because getting a lockdown corner makes your defense that much easier to run. When a guy takes away half the field, especially a player who can chase around number one wide receivers, and then the discussion of can he play both ways, like that's a bigger picture discussion that will have to play out over time, I don't think it's physically possible to play corner and wide receiver as full time starters in the NFL. There are 17 games playing corner. Just think about the wide receivers you have to go against in the NFL on a weekly basis. Especially if you are immediately the number one, you know, like the number one guy as a corner. Like if you're the top guy, you're chasing around their best guy. It's just extremely taxing. But like, this is the easiest way to not even make a team hesitate to take you in the top two or three picks. Because if it's like I want to play wide receiver, I also plan on doubling up as a corner, but I'm a wide receiver first. I don't think he goes as high, but when he says I'm going to play corner, that's what I want to play. We will. I want to play offense as well, but I'm a corner. That's how you go in the top two or three. So smart move by him. Ashton Genti. I saw a headline today. A dude that writes for the Athletic wrote that the Cowboys should take him at number 12 overall. Taking Ashton Genti at 12 overall would be insane. And this gets back to that conversation. I love Ashton Genti as a running back. I think he is going to be a high end starter in the NFL. But you can find running backs, especially in this draft that are going to start between pick 40 and 80. There are going to be a ton of future NFL starters that are drafted on the second day. And if I'm the Dallas Cowboys and I have a lot of needs on my team, I am not taking a running back at number 12. That is insane. And listen, like Ashton Genti is 5, 8. If he was 6ft, you, you might be able to convince me, hey, it could be Adrian Peterson, he's 5 foot 8. But I couldn't take him at number 12 overall. Especially when I go, well, why can't I just get my starter in the second or third round? Who do you take high overall? Take a offensive or defensive lineman. How did the Cowboys get good there For a while? They drafted a bunch of offensive linemen. What happened the last couple of years? Like where's their defensive, like where's their depth up front you got Micah Parsons, who you know you've kind of contemplated trading, but this is a deep draft at defensive lineman. Well, you're going to have the opportunity to pick one of the better ones at 12. So how many teams last year go, God, I could have used Jared Verse. Don't overthink this. Take a defense. Look at the Eagles. 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Trevon Edwards
What's up, everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of Their Era with Seth Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend, had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Steph Curry
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Steph Curry
Peja 5 Dirk 4.
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Bobby Bones
Peja is elite. I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list.
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Trevon Edwards
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Steph Curry
That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations.
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Trevon Edwards
Yes, absolutely.
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Steph Curry
Love it.
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Trevon Edwards
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast. Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the. The heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
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Matt Castle
There was something sentimental when you, when you said, send it, he was like, do I send the heart?
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Bobby Bones
Now I don't like the color edition.
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Matt Castle
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I've thought about this for a while and listen, it's. It could be factually incorrect, but I can't imagine a business has made more millionaires than the NFL over the last 30, 40 years. Now, maybe there are companies that are invested in, you know, like Apple, you know, some of the major companies in America that a bunch of pensions are involved with. But just in terms of people actually working for that company, W2S, the 32 NFL teams, and I'd probably include the league office, the NFL business is pretty insane right now. Obviously, the players have never been richer and they've never made more money. Same thing goes for coaches. You know, Jerry Jones, when he stole the show at the Brian Schottenheimer press conference, he said that the reason he didn't get into coaching, because remember, you know, a lot of especially younger listeners and viewers don't realize Jerry Jones, once upon a time was on the Arkansas team that won the national championship in college. Like, Jerry Jones has a national championship ring as a player in college. So he wasn't just some Joe Schmo businessman. Like, this guy played college football at a really, really high level. Granted, times were a little different. Offensive lineman might have weighed 240 pounds, but still at the time, it's all relative. He was on an Arkansas team that wasn't. That won the Natty. And Jerry said that, like, a lot of my friends went into coaching, but I always aspired to live in bigger houses. And drive nicer cars. And essentially if I would have known what these guys are making now, I might have got into coaching because I see what we're paying them. And it's not just head coaches making 8, 10, 15, $20 million. I would imagine it changes per team, but two to four coaches, a staff, non head coach, are making seven figs. Obviously general managers make a lot of money. And the amount of people making millions of dollars associated with the NFL, it's pretty nuts. Listen, indirectly I didn't make very much when I worked in the NFL, but I've made a lot of money, a lot more money. You know, being in this business, just talking about football and you know, the biggest sports podcast, I mean the biggest sports podcast right now, pardon my take, is an NFL football show. You know, Pat McAfee, it's a football driven show, like football is the cash cow. And nothing speaks more of that than the news that came out yesterday that the NFL salary cap will be somewhere between 275 and $282 million. And that number one just sounds massive. But when you put it into context, 10 years ago, 2015, so not that long ago, NFL was doing well then, the salary cap was $140 million. Hell, three years ago, the salary cap was barely over $200 million. It has risen over $70 million in the last three years. And honestly, if you look at the last five years, it would have gone a lot higher if it wouldn't have been for 2020 and 2021, where the salary cap actually went the wrong way for a year in 2021 because of the diminished revenues, because of the Rona. So football right now, like you know, these players, it is not just the super high end guys, the Justin Jefferson's, the Micah Parsons, the Miles Garrett, obviously, relatively speaking, Reggie White, Troy Aikman, Steve Young, Brett Favre, Peyton Banning, whoever at the time was always making a lot of money, right? But it's the mid tier guy. I remember last year when guards, when good starting guards were getting $18 million. Like holy, you know, the NBA, the average salary is $12 million. And clearly there are a lot of guys making 30, 40, $50 million. There's only 12 guys on the team, right? There are only seven, eight guys that actually play. So given the size of the roster, 53 guys, I mean the veteran minimum, when you're like a seventh round pick, even Brock Purdy, who was the last pick in the draft, by his like third year, he was making a million dollars. And everyone's like laughing he makes nothing in relative to his position, he does not. But relative to being the last pick in the draft, even if you hadn't become a starting quarterback, if you had just made the team, you're making a million dollars, you know, so it's, it is a great time to be involved in football. And the good thing, and this is why the other story I saw is that Jed York, and he's not alone, but we'll just use him as an example. The NFL passed the rule recently that you could sell pieces of your team to private investors. Right? Private equity, venture capitalism. Right. You could get, hey, you don't actually get anything. You don't get to decide when I hire a fire coach. You have no say in free agency or the NFL draft, but you get to say, like you're part owner. Brady. Somewhat unique is that Mark Davis actively wants him to be involved. But most of these guys that are just money dudes cutting checks have no juice. I mean, none. When I was at the Super Bowl, I was with some buddies from the Eagles. Like, I remember we had minority owners and they're still involved and the same guys are still around. And it has been very lucrative for them to be involved with the Philadelphia Eagles for the last 20, 25 years as minority owners for Jeffrey Lurie. But they have absolutely no say. They get a little seat in the draft room, they show up to some games, but in terms of, like, Nick Sirianni status, no one cares what they think. And that goes for all these teams and Jed York, who think about this. Eddie DeBartolo, who got the money from his father, might add some mob ties in Youngstown, Ohio, bought the 49ers in 1977 for $13 million, which I wasn't alive in 1977, I would imagine $13 million was a lot of money. And obviously the power of tv, the revenue, like, it wasn't. It's so easy to look back and go, no brainer. At the time, it's. I can't imagine the NFL was some foolproof business that was like recession proof and like a great. Viewed as a great investment. But $13 million, $13 million, and that's what he paid for it. And on the current valuation, it has a potential to be almost $9 billion. So Jed York, who is thinking about selling 10% of the team, is in play to get between, you know, we'll see where the valuation falls, but between 8 and $900 million of a cash infusion to his business, and he can obviously do whatever he wants with that. Money. And I think Jeffrey Lurie is going to do the same. John Marr is going to do the same. The advantage of being able to do that is, and we had Jake Rosenberg on the podcast, who was Howie Roseman's like, right hand man and salary cap negotiator for a long, long time, is you can get around salary cap situations when you're willing to sign enormous signing bonuses. And what do you need to sign? You know, a signing bonus, cash. So some teams and Jed and Jerry Jones and even Robert Kraft have taken a lot of shit of, like, they actually don't spend as much cash as the wealth of their franchise. Where Jeffrey Lurie's running circles around them, he puts a lot of cash into his contracts, and that's how they're able to sign all these good players, because you can manipulate it. And I would imagine Jed York is going to do the same. Now, it doesn't mean you can't buy $100 million, yacht or whatever, but where you can really take advantage of the value of your franchise is reinvest it into the business and sign players to contracts because of signing bonuses. That gets them on your team, even though you might not have, quote, unquote, the salary cap space. But think about where we're at in the business of the NFL, that you can sell a percentage 5, 10% and get an infusion of 500, 600, 8, hundred million dollars and give up absolutely nothing. I've never been the biggest Shark Tank watcher, but it's just on so often. I just found myself over the years watching some episodes and as I got older, I appreciated partnerships and business and who owns the revenue. A lot more from 35 to 40 than I did when I was 28. So, you know, I could relate a little bit more at least to the conversations. And usually when it's like, hey, my business is worth a million dollars. If you want 20%, it's going to cost you 200 grand. And then they would negotiate back. And usually it's like, yeah, I'll give you $250,000, but I want, you know, say I want board seats and I want a lot of juice. You get none of that with this NFL investment. You basically just get to say, I own a piece of T Max. It's why the league made such a big deal of the Raiders and Tom Brady when they felt like Mark Davis was giving Tom Brady a deal just because he wanted him as part of his operation. It's like, Mark, you can't sell him a lower percentage of the actual valuation and give him a higher percentage of the buy. And the league pushed back on it and they had to like, redo the deal. And I think part of it is Tom Brady. Listen, I don't know how much actual tangible cash he gave through, but he clearly came in with other investors that have a lot more money than him. Because the price of admission to get 5 or 10%, you're talking half a billion dollars minimum. A lot of these franchises, even the shitty ones, right, the 49ers are obviously one of the more valuable franchises in the NFL, given the market size, given the fan base, given just the financial backing that they have in the region. With Silicon Valley literally right in there, I mean, that's where they are. I don't love the location of the stadium, but that's because I'm, you know, born and raised way farther up north, right? There's a big difference. Even if it's only 45, 50 miles from where I live for a decade. I fucking hated driving down there. But that is where most of the money is. And Jed York was no dummy when he moved it down. And I think it's led to a franchise being worth 8, 9 billion dollars. But a lot of these franchises are giants price similar seven, eight, you know, the Cowboys, obviously worth 910. Hell, the Raiders, who haven't won a playoff game in multiple decades. Given Vegas, given the stadium, given the no state income tax, I. If Mark Davis put the Vegas Raiders up for sale, I think at minimum he would get $8 billion. So then, listen, can this maintain forever? I've often thought, like, I've lived long enough to know the NFL, probably the next 40 years of my life. Knock on Woods. I go that far. Like, when I'm 80 years old, are they still the dominant property? You'd be crazy just to feel confident saying that. But right now they feel pretty untouchable. And listen, we can go back and forth, and we will during free agency. This guy's getting screwed. This guy's getting screwed. Like T. Higgins, he's really getting screwed. Well, even if they franchise him again, which, listen, I think franchising a guy back to back years is moronic business. Like, you're bad at the business of the NFL if you franchise a guy back to back years, mainly because you clearly want them on your team. And if you franchise T. Higgins back to back years, you're basically paying him $48 million and both the lump sums of 21 and now $26 million hits all of your cap. Meanwhile, you got like The AJ Browns and these other guys making big money and their cap hit is way lower. T. Higgins total, like if you would have signed him last year, you probably could have got him for $75 million guaranteed. Instead you're paying him on a yearly basis. That's impacting your like, it's just stupid. It's. To me it's just low level business. But like listen, like T. Higgins won't love getting franchise and I'm sure like go back and forth in, you know, publicly like, oh this bullshit, we're getting screwed. He will have just made almost $50 million in guaranteed cold hard cash in his bank account, well after taxes, whatever that comes out to, but still like he, he will have made a boatload of money. I bet there are great wide receivers in the 2000s and definitely in the 90s that never sniffed making $50 million. Like let's just, let's just look up Jerry Rice career earnings. My guess would BE I'll go $48 million. I was high. It was $43.5 million. And Jerry Rice obviously was drafted in 84, but he played at a Pro bowl level up till the early 2000s. Now $45 million back in the 90s was a lot of money. But relative to what these guys are making, it's a completely different world. And like I said, franchise tagging a guy back to back years to me is just is poor management, it's poor ownership, poor GMing. Like I don't put that on T. Higgins and I don't know even if they had an offer, you never know quite know what to believe. But if you're willing to franchise them a second time, and I would say this for any player, wide receiver, tackle, quarterback, you name it, you might as well have just signed them to the long term deal because you pay a little bit more total in the guarantee, but you're able to manipulate the cap and have a better football team. And look back in the day with Dan Snyder and the in the Redskins with Kirk Cousins, like that was stupid to franchise them twice. You should have just extended them and clearly that would have been the right move at the time. The volume. 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Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music. And at a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Trevon Edwards
I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of Their Era with Seth Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Steph Curry
You might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Steph Curry
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Trevon Edwards
Yes, absolutely.
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Steph Curry
Love it.
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Trevon Edwards
Listen to Goat Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alec Baldwin
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers, and so many other fascinating people, like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd.
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Dan Aykroyd
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Alec Baldwin
And actor and comedian Jack McBrayer.
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Matt Castle
The most important aspect is the collaboration with people that I like, I trust are talented. That has been the most amazing gift to me about this crazy business that we've chosen. Meeting these people who have such diverse talents and you're able to create something together.
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Alec Baldwin
Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.