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3 & Out - BLOCKBUSTER NFL Trade Day: Myles Garrett to LA Rams, AJ Brown to New England + NFL Offseason Mailbag
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Joe Jonas
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Hey, guys, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called hey Jonas. We invented a podcast. Well, we didn't invent it. We. We just contributed to the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to hey Jonas on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.
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Isaiah Thomas
What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm CJ Toledano.
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Joe Jonas
It's our favorite time of the year on our podcast, Point Game, the Playoffs.
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Isaiah Thomas
We're digging into the biggest surprises of the season, and I'm looking back on some of my greatest playoff moments. If we didn't talk ever again, I was firing.
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Joe Jonas
You just understood.
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Isaiah Thomas
That's how personal it gets.
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Joe Jonas
Wow.
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Isaiah Thomas
Then after that game seven, Marquis coming to you, he's like, you know I love you, dawg. You know it's all love. This was just playoffs. This was just basketball.
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Joe Jonas
So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your husband is not who you think he is. Your body is not what you thought it was. Your identity is formed by a secret history. I'm Danny Shapiro and these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the 14th season of Family Secrets. He kind of shoved me out of the way and said, move. And he went out the front door and he jumped in a car and. And that was the last time I saw him. Listen to season 14 of Family Secrets on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Isaiah Thomas
For years, the Unhoused has been presented as a monolith in mainstream media. Wheatie Unhoused is a podcast that's changing the narrative. I'm Theo Henderson and I created the show while it was unhoused on the streets of Los Angeles. We've grown into a two time Webby award winning podcast, the only podcast that shares unhoused stories and news from the Unhoused perspective. Listen to we the unhoused on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast, the Volume.
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Joe Jonas
What is going on, everybody? John Middelkopf three and out podcast. What a day in the National Football League, we had trades galore. One of the biggest trades feels like in the history of the NFL. Miles Garrett to the Rams. Oh yeah. And The Eagles traded A.J. brown to the New England Patriots, which I guess we all knew was coming. So just an insane day. We will dive into both. We'll do some dad Diaries, some mailbag questions at John Middlekopf. At John Middlekopf is the Instagram. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three and out separate feed. We're on. We're on Netflix as well. You can hit the alert button, never miss a show. And we also do some separate content on the YouTube page for things that don't make the podcast. So appreciate everyone listening and let's just, let's dive right into the craziness. Well, let's just start with the Rams, who as Vito Corleone once famously said in the Godfather, I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse. And essentially that is what the Rams did to land Miles Garrett. I do believe the Cleveland Browns, when their owner comes out, they release a statement that they did not intend on trading Miles Garrett. I know they reworked his contract to give themselves options, but they were going to trade him or if they did, it was going to take a ton of and that's what they got. And it's been well reported by this point in time that the Rams kept saying no when it came to including Jared Verse. I think it's fair to assume they were willing to throw a bunch of picks for Miles Garrett, multiple ones, multiple twos, and keep their existing players, meaning one of the better younger pass rushers in the league. A guy that was six in the NFL in terms of pressure last year. Now, relative to Miles Garrett, he ain't Myles Garrett. More than likely he will never sniff becoming Miles Garrett, mainly because Garrett is one of the best players in the history of the NFL. I'll never forget last year when the Eagles were joint practicing with the Browns. Obviously the Eagles coming off super bowl predicted to go right back. I mean, they had one of the best rosters in the league and, and they definitely have two of the best tackles in the league. And Jordan Mylotta was doing the press conference on the field after the game or I mean after the second practice saying, yesterday we were in meetings just laughing like this guy is an alien. What are we even supposed to do with that? And the answer is not much, because no one really does much to Miles Garrett when he wants to go. He, he is an Unstoppable force. He's a multiple time defensive player of the year. He is a surefire first ballot hall of Famer. But he is 30 years old and it took a 25 year old ascending player a first round pick in by all accounts one of the better drafts in many many years. A second round pick and a third round pick the following two years. That is not nothing. So Jared verse what the Rams had to give up to get Miles Garrett, which let me start by this. I have no problem overpaying or paying a premium for a great player. Jerry Jones once famously said, I've never paid a premium for another premium and been disappointed where you get in trouble in football, in business, in, in any aspect of life when you overpay for something that is not worth overpaying for. Now it's football. There's no guarantee with injuries, but if Miles Garrett stays healthy, it's very, very difficult to overpay. They could have included another first rounder if he gives them 20 fucking sacks and they're making super bowl runs these next couple years because he's under contract. And the way the NFL works, this is not basketball or baseball where it's like well you just pick up the next four years. It's $40 million a year like signing bonuses and upfront money has already been paid. So they just take in 33, I think basically million dollars a year for the next three years. So they're going to pay essentially $100 million to get a guy that I think it would be disappointing that over the course of the next three years doesn't give them 50 plus sacks and 80 to 90 pressures a year. And to go with their other young players make life a lot easier. It has been rumored and out there, I mean it's kind of Internet like could Aaron Donald return at 35 years old and been like it? I'll, I, I'll come mess around with you guys. I think that's clearly on the table or something to monitor. But whether that happens or not is kind of irrelevant. They are now viewed as probably the best roster in the NFL. The divisional favorites. And what would be the most competitive division in the NFL with the top, I mean there might be better divisions one through four. There's definitely not a better division with the top three. Especially when you factor in the coaching, the star power, the quarterbacks, the, the resume of, of Kyle McVeigh and Mike McDonald. The division is no joke. And the Rams, the thing I appreciate and George Steinbrenner did this when I was a Kid, you know, they started rattling off championships with the New York Yankees and they came into the 2000s and they would do anything and be willing to pay whatever it took to get any player. And everyone hated them. They were called the Evil Empire. And that's what it feels like the Rams are always willing to do. Put their chips right in the middle of the table. Now in fairness, there have been other organizations, including the Browns, who have spent a lot more money over the last several years. In 2022, no team spent more actual cash on their roster than the Cleveland, than the Los Angeles Rams. In 2023 they were 32nd in the league. The last two years they were 31 and 31. So they transitioned off that really expensive team with like the Jalen Ramsey's obviously Aaron Donald retired, you know, Todd Gurley types like the really expensive players and, and they got a lot younger and it worked. They crushed the draft beside Matt Stafford. If you think about it, most of their impact players have not been expensive. Why? Because they were draft picks. And a lot of them like 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th round pick like Puka Nakua, even Jared Verse, he wasn't the second overall pick. Pretty sure he was like 17th or 18th. So the core of their group that have been one of the most competitive teams in the league over the last couple years and easily could, I think it's safe to say either of the years they were a player two away from winning Super Bowls. I mean they were right there and as good as any team in the league. They went toe to toe two years ago with Philly and last year obviously played in one of the games of the year in the NFC Championship game against Seattle. And one of their downfalls was defense. Well, what do they did or what did they do? They traded for Trent McDuffie, plug and play high end defensive back, added Miles Garrett or upgraded Miles Garrett off Jared Verse. Jared versus Good. Let me just state that like that. That is not nothing. I don't know if they would have done this deal. Maybe they wanted more of an interior defensive tackle. But they traded for what a 28, 29 year old defensive tackle and Dexter Lawrence and gave up the 10th overall pick. I think Jared Verse easily in last draft would have gone for a pick somewhere between 10 to 20 if they just would have put him on the block, which he was not on the block. I do believe all the reports they did not want to trade him. I, I, I'm going to reiterate this. I think they wanted to trade whatever it took in terms of draft Capital for Miles Garrett and ultimately Cleveland Browns wouldn't budge. And this is where the Rams were like it. We will pay more than we're comfortable paying. And this is what it will take to get one of the greatest players of all time. Now he's 30 years old, but we're going to get this guy 30, 31, 32, 33 range. And if we can maximize these next couple years, we're in win now, win the Super Bowl. And at the end of the day, being the preseason favorites and the odds, I mean no one had better odds in 2025 to start the season than the Baltimore Ravens. They were like basically three to one to win the Super Bowl. They went eight and nine. Football is not basketball. It definitely is not baseball where if I just add seven sweet players, I'm guaranteed to be good. The Rams are already good. There is to me, like Jared Verse by all accounts was a beloved player in that locker room. His college teammate Braden Fisk, obviously on the team. He had been one of their core players on one of the better defenses over the last couple years or better fronts over the last couple years. Like this isn't nothing. The thing that Miles Garrett, even if it's like, yeah, I'm just, I'm just being me, I'm not going to like beg for everyone's approval here. He doesn't need to because he's that good. And of all the players in the NFL at a non quarterback position, you could argue he's the most plug and play of any player in the entire league. There is not a coach. I don't care. The best coach or the worst coach. If you look in like the Flores is in the Spagnolas and the Fangios to the shittiest of defensive coaches that could screw him up. I mean he is, he's played for one of the worst organizations in football over the last several years. And I think it also shows you, and this is where I think give the Browns credit is you could have 25 sacks and still go 5 and 12. So I, I think that once they redid the contract, clearly that put teams like the Rams. I'm sure Howie Roseman were heavily involved in terms of conversations, what will it take? What will it take? And this is where Cleveland is like, it's going to take more than just draft capital. We want to replace this guy with another impact defensive lineman. And they were able to do that. Now, Jared versus not Miles Garrett because there is a big difference. Their pressure, their pressure rate. Miles Garrett had a better pressure rate, but their Pressures. From what I read, Miles garrett at like 85. Jared verse was like 80. Obviously Jared versus like top six or seven in the league over the last several years. But he doesn't necessarily land the quarterback. His rookie year he had four and a half. I think he was defensive rookie of the year. Last year he had seven and a half. But Miles Garrett lands the guy at 25. And if you just look at his sacks over the years, sacks are not everything. But when you're consistently getting 15 plus, they kind of mean a lot because there's a big difference than hitting the quarterback. And who knows, maybe gets the ball off and the ball still completed and they get a first down and I take the guy to the ground. And now it was second and eight, it's now third and 15. And to me Miles takes them to a whole nother level. And I have no problem saying that. If you were betting on a team right now, you'd feel pretty comfortable saying they are the super bowl favorites. But again, I don't think that means as much. They're still very dependent. I know he's coming off an MVP season and he was remarkable last year. Been banged up over the course of his career. People that I've heard people say this, including Colin of like now this brings into light the Ty Simpson thing. I, I think Ty Simpson is somewhat separate of Miles Garrett because this has been a long time since the draft. I, I think they'd be the first to tell you there was no guarantee that this was going to happen. I think they took Ty Simpson because they just said, well, we're never going to draft this high again and we really like this player. And I disagree with that valuation and people that I know in the league that said they had third and fourth round grades on the guy in their draft room, but at the end of the day, if they hit on the Ty Simpson pick, it allows them to transition. And as they've reset their roster, they could. McDuffie, a hundred million dollar contract. Miles Garrett, $33 million a year. Matt Stafford, here's a big race. They haven't even paid Puka Nakua yet. And they obviously have other young players, other core young players that are going to demand a lot of money. And Jared Verse specifically would have been one of those players. He would have been $100 million plus guaranteed type guy. And I think they just made a business decision which couldn't have been easy. But it's not like they got nothing from him. They drafted him in the late teens, they used him for a Couple years. He was excellent. A key player on a team that went to the playoffs, back to back years, that was in the second round in the NFC Championship. One of the heart and souls of their unit. The physicality, the, the pressures, like, it's not like they got nothing out of them. They didn't just give, they just upgraded. It's like taking your car in on a lease and getting another car that's nicer, even if the payments are more expensive. It's like I'm getting a much better car. That's essentially what they did. Now this is a player that they have a really good defensive coordinator in, Chris Shula, but this is a guy that's hard to screw up. You put him over the tackle and you say go get him and you say dominate. And the other thing he does is he makes it even easier than verse would have for the other guys on the line of scrimmage because you have to spend so much time on Miles Garrett, chipping him, double teaming him, triple teaming him. I mean, even Todd Monkin said, which was pretty clear when he got the job. And he's been asked about how he never met him, which was always kind of funny, but maybe they knew they were going to trade him over the last couple months once they redid the contract and the Rams took advantage of it. Because I think a lot of teams would have been willing to give two first rounders for Miles Garrett, but I don't think that's what they wanted. They wanted something that they could also put on their team, something that was tangible because the draft pick is intangible. One is a guessing game. You don't know where it's going to land. And when you trade with good teams like the Rams, like, I think it's fair to say that the 27 first rounder, I would say the earliest would be like 24. That would feel like a very disappointing year for the Rams and anywhere up until the, you know, early 30s, right? If they, if they're in the super bowl, if they win the super bowl like this is, it's going to be a pick that, you know is not going to be that valuable. You're almost using, using it as ammunition to move up, ideally for a quarterback. And now with that extra second, the extra third, they have, you know, their pick is going to be, I, I would imagine relatively high. They can be heavily involved in the quarterback conversation in the 27 draft wall. And this is where I, I, I think Andrew Barry deserves a lot of credit because I've been very critical of him. Like the end of the day, your job as a gm, what you were judged on are wins and losses and his team has sucked for a couple years and he just hired Todd Monkin, who I think it's, I, I don't think it's a reach to say no one else was hiring him as their, as their head coach. And if I wanted to defend Barry and the Browns, I say I, I don't think many people were taking that job. So they did the best they could for the time being. And maybe this guy is there, David Kelly, now he's better. I mean he's proven to be a really good offensive coordinator and who knows, may maybe he's better than even I'm giving him credit for, but it just puts them in a position. He has made brilliant moves over the last couple years. I mean, I've said this before, they fleeced, they fleeced the Jacksonville Jaguars last year, the Jags. If they said, hey, we'll give you Travis Hunter back for what we gave you, Mason Graham, Quinton Johnkins, the Browns would laugh at him. They got not only an all defensive rookie player, but what should be one of the better defensive tackles for the next five, six years in the NFL. And then you put them with another 25 year old who's already proven to be one of the best pass rushers. By all accounts. They had a really good draft this year. So last year they got a stud defensive tackle, they're starting running back, that linebacker from UCLA who's a stud. Then this year they have multiple first round picks. You know, you get your tackle in the first round, you get a receiver who's probably going to be one of the faster players in the NFL. Concepcion, Denzel, Boston, which, you know, I think depending on who you talk to in the NFL, mixed reviews, but they got him in the second round. It's not like they use the 24th pick on the guy. And I just think he's done a really good job of building a roster without a quarterback. Now at the end of the day, if you're never able to find the quarterback, none of that matters. And right now it's, you know, Shador is making 17, $18 million in royalties that they feel obligated to pay DeSean Watson because he's making 48, $50 million a year, which I don't blame him. Welcome to life. You know, it's like, I'm paying this guy, let's see what he can do. And maybe Munkin System is more equipped to make him look better. Than Stefanski's was. And there's some truth to that, you know, even the good version. Deshaun Watson, you would never say he would be a Shanahan type quarterback. He would be much more in the vein of other schemes throughout the NFL. And Monkin has proven to be a little more versatile when it comes to quarterback play with his offense. So Andrew Barry did a really good job here, and that is the most powerful thing you can ever do in a negotiation to say, no, no, no. And I think it's pretty clear that Cleveland kept saying that over and over, like, we're not doing this deal unless we get Jared Verse. And the Rams came to a point where you got to draw a line in the sand. Are we doing this or not? I. I never understand. I see this with my wife, you know, when she was doing real estate deals. I'm sure many of you deal with this with different clients. Some people that just, like, want to dance around. I, I hate that. Like, I. I don't take that long to make a decision when it comes to doing a deal. Well, regardless what it is. Like, saw a house I like, boom. The deal was done within a month. Want to get a car? I bought my first car, actually. It's really. For her, it was like, saw it online. Boom, we went there. Purchased on a Saturday. It's like, I don't spend that much time just going back and forth. And we all know people that do. And listen, I'm sure some of you do that. To me, that's just. It's such a waste of my time and my energy. Like, when I'm ready to pull the trigger, I pull the trigger. And then you live with the decision, however it goes. And I think the Rams have always proven to be willing to, like, yeah, we'll do this. Is it risky? Of course it is. Are we giving up a lot? Yes, we are. I've seen some people say that they're not giving up a lot or what. They're giving up a sure thing in Jared Verse. That if the Jared verse. Think about this. If Jared Verse was in this draft at 25 years old and you and the. We've already seen him in the NFL like, you know exactly what you're getting. But he's going in the draft. He would have gone second. The jets pray that David Bailey turns into Jared Verse. If. If Arvel Reese is able to get the pressure and be the impact guy in the line of scrimmage that Jared versus the Giants hit a home freaking run. It's the whole Point of a draft is to land guys like that. And I just think Miles Garrett, I thought they should have traded him last year, but Jimmy Haslam didn't want to do that. He was their marquee guy. He was the player on a franchise that's kind of embarrassing. The one person that you could hang your hat on. And they paid him a ton of money. They gave him so much money. His trade demand just diminished into thin air. It just blew away in the wind. It was like, I want to be traded. I'll sign the contract. Then he had 25 sacks because it was that much money. But it's like, what's the point of it? We're winning five games. You're this good. It really is pointless when we need to just remake this thing and we are remaking it on the fly and. And he's our one valuable asset. And it shows you how good he still was last year, that his value was still this. And I truly believe, like, totally understand what the Rams are doing. I do think there's a little risk there of just this is. Locker rooms can be fickle now. You're that good. I understand it, but I, you know, replacing only the players. Truly know. And I think this is why the Rams were hesitant. Like, we're not giving up nothing internally in terms of personality and in terms of locker room dynamics. This is not, you know, European soccer where you just buy the best players and more than likely you're going to be good. But I totally understand where they're coming from. Would have made the deal as well. And I think for the Browns, they should be applauded because they needed to trade this player and what they traded him for was a haul and was an excellent, excellent get. Which puts them in position now that they should be drafting in the top 10. They have so much ammunition. They can move up several spots and get a quarterback if they need to. Best case scenario, all these guys look really good. They lose a bunch of games and they're drafting in the top five and they don't even need to move up. They can just stick and pick and find a quarterback. The scary part is, is there's no guarantee you can ever find a quarterback because I haven't been some die hard Browns fan, but follow the NFL and from afar. Since they came back to Cleveland, they have not found a quarterback. And it's been a major problem. That famous visual of all the different quarterbacks that Joe Thomas played with, I know he's listed them and there's been countless since. So it's a, it's a very difficult job. But they have put themselves in a position for a quarterback less team to become a real team. The jets have done that as well. And I think the worst place you can be in the NFL is have no quarterback and then just also have a shitty team. It's like, what is the point of any of this? They do have the infrastructure like they did when they made the Deshaun Watson trade. They had an infrastructure of a really good team. They just traded for a guy and it flopped. But they had built up a good team and now there's that second iteration of they've done it again. And Andrew Barry, his teams don't win a lot of games, but I, I, I'll give him his flowers. He, he makes good trades and I think one of his powerful attributes as a general manager, as a leader is he's pretty patient. And I think it speaks to this trade coming to fruition on June 1st because they probably could have got him a month ago without Jared Verse and got multiple ones from the Rams. It's like, okay, great, get pick 30 and pick 28 for miles Garrett. This is like, no matter what, we have something to show for with Jared Verse and then we can use all these other picks as ammunition to get what we need to get. So the, the Rams, they're just always willing to play ball, man. They're always sniffing around. They're always willing to take big swings. And I know Stan Kroenke gets on for being cheap in the NBA. I had to Google it. I was like, what is the who do you when you pay luxury tax in the NBA? Because all I've ever heard, like, the wind horses and the people saying, like, Stan Crockett never spends any money in the NBA. It's like, well, yeah, he's let some role players go. Like, if you pay the luxury tax, where does it go in the NBA? Well, half of it goes like, equitably distributed to the other teams. And then the other half, like, gets split up through the league. Like, I, I would not want to pay luxury tax in the NBA if it's for role players. Like, give me a break. What a scam. Like, I think one thing Stan has proven, this is my cash cow. And when I need to greenlight something in the NFL, I know it pays me back in the NBA. He's won a championship before. He's had one of the best teams in the NBA for years now. And I think he knows, like, yeah, not really worth it. And I'm not trying to on the NBA here in terms of like the power of one of their franchises, but he owns both. So he sees the revenue of one, he sees the revenue of the other. And I think it's pretty clear, like I'm not paying a luxury tax to give these shitty organizations free money so I can have like some good seventh man. Like, well, you're not deep enough in the playoffs. Fine. We need to change these rules because this thing's a scam. Talk about a fugazi. I, I, I, I, I couldn't believe really diving into where the luxury tax goes. What a fugazi that is. Why? Because you don't want your best teams and your most aggressive owners to spend more money. Give me a break. So props to Cronky for green lighting this and and less for taking big swings. He makes our job much easier here as football podcasters. Foreign show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, Hard Rock BET Florida Sportsbook. We talk a lot of football on the show, but it's the NBA Finals. Not gonna lie. I don't like the Knicks. I love the Knicks. I got in on them probably 10 days ago at 4 to 1. Now they're here. They are currently on Hard Rock bet plus 160 to win the NBA Finals. They are also an underdog in game one in San Antonio on Wednesday night. They four and a half point underdog. You know Victor, we favored to win the mvp San Antonio's favor to win this series. I believe it's the next time. And obviously if you're going to bet him to win the series, it's hard to bet against Jalen Brunson being the mvp. We have had some recent examples though. A couple years ago, Jaylen Brown, I remember when Andre Guadala won it. I think if you go, well, who could win the MVP if it wasn't Jalen Brown? If you, or Jalen Brunson, if you wanted to get some odds, you know, Carl Anthony Towns 20 to 1. OG's 40 to 1. Bridges is 150 to 1. So I, I think the safe bet is, is Brunson. But they got a lot of firepower defensively to throw at him. I can't wait for this series. I, again I, I, I'm on the Knicks. I think the Knicks win it. I, I think it's going to be excellent. But I, I think this New York's time so same game parlays. You want to bet? Victor Wembanyama triple double A. Carl Anthony Towns, you know, double double with Jalen Brunson's over on points. You can do whatever you want to do. I. I think Jalen Brunson goes nuts and Victor goes, I think it's gonna be fantastic. So try your first better Hard Rock bet today and you can score 150 in bonus bets. If you win, just place $5. And if it hits, you get not only your winnings, but also an extra 150 in bonus bets. Ensure Hard Rock is Florida's only sportsbook, but you don't have to be in Florida. Join the party. It's all over the place. Arizona, Ohio, Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado, Michigan. Download the Hard Rock bet app today. Let's get the party started. Tired of overpaying with DirecTV? Dish offers a reliable low price every month without surprises. Get the TV you love and start watching live sports news and the latest movies, plus your favorite streaming apps all in one place. 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Isaiah Thomas
What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas and I'm C.J.
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Joe Jonas
toledano. And our podcast point game is about defying the odds.
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Isaiah Thomas
Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luka and Austin Reed and finding ways to win. No, he's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before and he knows without Luka and Austin Reaves, I gotta manipulate the game.
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Joe Jonas
We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs.
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Isaiah Thomas
I think Joker's gonna be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reed, he has to guard Julius Randle and then he has to give us everything. He gives us on a night to night basis, our offense and when it's
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Joe Jonas
friends stop by like Quentin Richardson. We dive into some playoff history too.
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Isaiah Thomas
Steve Nash would get that thing. That man, hell get the flying he running up the court, licking his fingers while he got the ball. Like after you go through a training camp with that Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Oh yeah. Get your ass up and down the court and you gonna get the ball.
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Joe Jonas
So listen to Point game on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Well, we had another trade as well. If the Browns. I think it's. I think most people would agree that that's a seller's market, right? It was like this in real Estate in 2020, 2021 and early on in 22. If you owned a house and it was a decent location and in decent shape, you were getting a lot over asking price. You had people lined up to purchase your home and then once you picked whose bid you wanted, you got to bend them over throughout contingencies, refuse to make any upgrades. It was great. Times have changed because interest rates are going up. I bought my house as interest rates were skyrocketing and guess what? That price kept coming down. 50,000, another 100,000 and we were able to negotiate while we got under contract, stuff that never would have been possible a couple years ago. So things change from and I've bought a condo in the seller's market. It sucks because you get bent over and you just have to take it and then you take it and take it and then they give it to you a little more and there's nothing you can really do. And when you're on the other side, it kind of feels good. And it's the Browns had the leverage. They got to tell the Rams how high they wanted him to jump and the Rams just kept jumping higher. We're in this Eagles Patriot situation. You know, it's funny, they're going to get a first round pick which is not nothing when my son will be two and a half years old. He's currently not even five months. So this first round pick for the Eagles, which is always good to have future first round picks in the back of your pocket, is not for several football seasons. Think how long one individual football season is. Imagine being a fan thinking like, you gotta wait two football seasons for this player. Now, because the situation was so unique, there has never been a player who, when the season ended, was 100% traded yet didn't get traded till June 1st. Everything the Eagles did, starting, you know, free agency, the draft was revolving around A.J. brown not being on the team. They had multiple wide receivers in free agency. Obviously trade for Wicks, they signed Hollywood Brown and then they draft in the first round Makai Lemon. So it is not easy to replace what A.J. brown brought to the table over the last four years. You're like, oh, he had a down year. He had seven touchdowns last year. He had seven touchdowns the year before. He had seven touchdowns the year before and he had 11 touchdowns the year before. They've made two playoff runs where they went to a Super bowl and lost and went to a Super bowl and won. He had 25 catches in both those playoff runs and three touchdowns. He's accounted for in his four years on the Eagles for over 5,000 yards of receptions. He has been an extremely productive player. Now he's missed some games. There are some, clearly some major question marks with his health. But I, I don't have all the details because everything I was told, People liked A.J. brown in the building, but the thing was fractured with the quarterback, with the offense, maybe with the head coach, I don't know. But they had to trade him and his market wasn't great because if his market was good for a guy that's been in three time all pro who when he's right is one of the best players in the league, they wouldn't have had to settle for a first round pick after two more football seasons. So the Patriots, who historically never did stuff like this under Belichick. Belichick hung his hat on buying distressed assets, on getting guys like Randy Moss for a fourth round pick, on getting Wes Walker as a restricted free agent because Miami undervalued him, on being able to get a keep Talib or Darrell Reavis because their value was a little bit lower. Even going back to Corey Dillon in when I was like in high school, he didn't pay premiums for guys that are making a premiums and there are question marks on his health. So all this talk about Vrabel and Racini and would like Robert Kraft turn on him and would he lose some juice? This shows you everything you need to know. Mike Vrabel is in full control because this deal is 100%. Mike Vrabel loves AJ Brown, Mike Vrabel wants AJ Brown and it's got a little bit of an NBA type feel. Honestly, both these trades do. If the Milwaukee Bucks could get the equivalent of what the Cleveland Browns just got from Myles Garrett for Giannis, I think they would be universally applauded. Whoever the equivalent of Jared versus a young player in the NBA and then all those picks, it would be like what a haul. Doubt they do. And I think the same thing for A.J. brown, a guy that like a lot of teams are not comfortable with his knee. I think that's been well reported and just based on what they just received, like you're telling me, would Howie have done a second round pick in 2027 over a first round pick in 2028? What if the pagers have a bad year and that pick is like 44? Are you better off waiting for 44 or waiting another year for a first round pick? Because again money now it's just time value money. It's no different with draft picks. So a draft pick in several years is especially with the unknown of the pick is discounted. So it's not the same as getting like when the Cincinnati Bengals traded pick 10 for Dexter Lawrence that was tangible. The moment that trade was the transaction happen because you knew exactly where the pick was. Now he has no clue and he has to wait several years. So I think this deal, it's just bizarre. Maybe after this trade we will get more information exactly what happened. Obviously I'm not defending A.J. brown. He's had some weird stuff happen. I mean reading the book on the sideline and no player wants to be injured but he, he, he, you know, wasn't quite the same this year. I think the Patriots are, you could say taking a leap of faith and it's somewhat risky but even for them like this pick is not till 2028. We're in June of 2026. The, the we just had 10 coaches get fired last year. Who Mike Vrabel's life was turned upside down a month ago. Who knows what's going to happen in two years. You would gladly a lot of teams in a player they're comfortable with would trade a first round pick in several years. So the Eagles I took the best they could get and I think the Patriots were the team that for what I just think it gets back to the connection a variable of A.J. brown. Now if A.J. brown's right big upgrade for New England whose wide receiver room and offensive unit is obviously got an explosive young running back from Ohio State you got Kyle Williams who I I'm buying some stock in from Washington State rookie last year you put A.J. brown, their defense is good, their schedule is much more difficult. If he helps them win 10 plus games and they're back in the playoffs. You've gone to the super bowl, you've gone to the playoffs and you've just reinvigorated the franchise. But when you trade A first round pick. Like you're gonna want multiple years of this guy producing at a high level. And sometimes you get a guy like Miles Garrett, 30 years old, doesn't feel old, feels young. And then you get a guy like A.J. brown, feels like he's 34. When I saw today, he's like 28, 29 years old. I'm like, A.J. brown's like 36. You know, there's a lot of wear and tear. There's a lot of tread on those tires. Same thing with Max Crosby. It, it does feel like he's an older version of a guy that's 29, 30 years old. So it's all based on. We watch you, you go, God, you feel young, you know, and sometimes players, this guy feels old. It could be just he's a polarizing player. He's had a lot of big moments. He's had a lot of moments that got headlines about doing, you know, wide receiver diva ish things. But again, by all accounts that I've been told is people really like him. He's not a dislike player in the locker room by any means, and he's not someone that internally the players did not like. But this is a deal that we've been talking about forever. It finally comes true. And unlike the Browns, who get immediate help and get picked this year, the Eagles, the fifth round pick this year, I don't even count. I mean, you might as well just send a box of balls. But that first round pick in 20, 28, like you're waiting a couple of years for that, which they don't care because I think for them they'd already replaced them. This is not one of those things that came out of, came out of left field. They knew this guy was as good as going. So what a day and what a crazy day in the NFL. While one trade we saw coming from a mile away for six months, the other trade came out of nowhere. And it was shocking. It was jaw dropping. We all, I'm sure, shared the Schefter tweet, the compensation tweet and just went, wow, what, what a moment. And the NFL has really, really benefited from all these aggressive GMs and these franchises. Now with the amount of money that's come in the league, the willingness to do deals for a long time, it was a couple teams here and there, but for the most part, I feel like the majority of the NFL is always sniffing around and willing to pull the trigger on big time stuff at any moment, which makes this sport and this product that much more Entertaining. And there's clearly a haves and the have nots and you know the Rams would be near the top. Well, I think Seattle's gonna have something to say about. I think the 49ers aren't gonna go quietly. But man, that, that, that game in Australia land down under got. Got a lot more interesting today, that's for damn sure. Yeah, the Giants. I saw people like Malik neighbors at a softball game kind of running around, sign a bunch of wide receivers. My take is they clearly are not comfortable with which is sad because Malik neighbors from a talent standpoint is through the roof. Like he, he has the physical capability before the knee injury to be one of the most explosive, impactful players on offense in the NFL. Non quarterback. And clearly they're a little spooked. There's no guarantee that this is going to work. He had a second surgery. They sign all these wide receivers. They basically just signed multiple guys to maybe like let them all battle it out and see. You know, I don't think any of these guys signed the day Beckham. Juju are guaranteed to make the team, but you just kind of let them compete. And if Malik can't go, we got some reinforcements under contract. We get some guys that can learn the offense. You know, Matt Nagy's been around juju for years, so he knows the offense. Harbaugh's been around Beckham in Baltimore. So I think if you're a Giants fan is cool day to bring Beckham home and kind of go down memory lane. But also a little bit like a little nerve wracking. Are we sure our star young wide receiver who he drafted what, six overall is going to be okay? Because Batty just had a simple ACL tear. Guess not. Before we do a couple mailbag questions, I, I do got to do a daddy diary. I the way the schedule's been breaking for the last couple weeks is his, his sleep cycle is just a nightmare. So she her sleep midnight two in the morning, four in the morning is just, it sucks. And your boy just fast asleep and then around 5:30 he, you know, he can wait. He's liable to wake up at midnight 1:30, 3 o', clock, 4:30 in the morning and he just might need a little boob just for like four or five minutes. Then he goes back to sleep. But then he could be up again within an hour and then he's kind of up for good at 5:30. Well kind of because you can get him to go back to sleep by about 6 but you can't really put him back in the bed because then he'll wake up. So you kind of gotta have him sleep on you. So that's usually my move for about the last week. I'll take him about 5:30, I'll let him sleep on me till about 7, 7:15. And then the morning routine starts of feeding him a bottle, playing with him, getting him a nap around 9:30, 10 o'. Clock. And then she kind of takes back over after she gets a little sleep from like 6 to 9ish. It's, it's not an ideal way to live, but we really don't have another choice right now. She can I see her in the afternoon sometimes. She's like, I haven't peed in like six hours. I can't do that. So typically when I bring him out to be like after he wakes up, if he's up at like 6:45 or 7, I will throw in a pouch. I will grab a cold brew Kirkland coffee that we get from, from Costco that are fantastic. They got a bunch of caffeine. Honestly, they got a little more pop than like Starbucks, you know, Venti cold brews and iced coffee. Slam one of those, I'll usually grab like a Gatorade or a body armor and I will fill up the Stanley. So I, I will be hydrating heavily in the morning. Within a couple hours I gotta, I gotta take a leak. And unlike her, I, I can't just hold it for seven hours. So a couple days ago he just passed out on top of me. And you, you can't put him right now in his thing called the snoo, which is like this moving bassinet or another bassinet. He will just immediately wake up and as you're laying him down, he could be out cold. As his head hits the ground or where he's going to be laying, his eyes will open, he'll just have a big smile. So you just gotta, sometimes you just gotta roll with the nap on you. So you can't really get anything done beside emails or look at your phone really. Or watch tv. I had to pee so bad. She sound asleep, he sound asleep and I just, I can't hold it. And listen any parents, like sometimes you gotta go to the bathroom and he's awake, you just bring the stroller, you point them at you and you just let it rip. And he's having a good time. But this is, he's on you and I just have to pee. Like I, I just got to pee with this kid on me and I pulled it Off. He. He slept on top of me because I. I am not gonna go. I'm just gonna. I could just hold it for another hour like this. No, I'm not gonna pee my pants on the couch. It's amazing what you're able to pull off when you're a parent, honestly. Probably happen again sometimes. Especially if the. If the rhythm of taking care of them lasts. I can promise you this. My dad never peed with me on top of his shoulder. That. That never happened. 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Make sure you click the link in the description to download the app and have the code automatically added to your account so you can use it later. Ohn mittlecoff@john middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those dms? Get your questions read here on the show. Rams just got Miles Garrett. Do you think this organization is trying to make McVay happy due to the draft and the fact they passed on Reuben Bain? Well, they were having these discussions before the draft, so they were heavily interested in Miles Garrett and they were going to keep revisiting that until they had a very good chance to land them. I do think the Ty Simpson thing was somewhat separate because there was no guarantee that they were going to land Miles Garrett. I think they viewed the Ty Simpson thing as especially their general manager, as a guy that they could get in the top 15, who they viewed as a franchise quarterback on a rookie deal on their team right now while they have Stafford to kind of him to watch and take advantage of, like, kind of like a two timeline thing. I personally don't think Ty Simpson, based on what he did is good enough. But who am I to tell? Less need and Sean McVeigh, we'll have to see. But I think it's less about Ty Simpson. Less about because I, I think they would have done Ty Simpson. I believe this could be wrong. Miles Garrett or no Miles Garrett, do you think the trade pushes the Niners to do something like adding Bosa or Cam Jordan? The nfc, NFC west is starting to feel like an arms race. I, I saw Nick talk about Joey Landed. Joey Boses. Exactly. Miles Garrett. I don't know, man. I don't really know what they can do. You know, I, I think they're very hesitant. The Rams have had a lot of success trading picks for players the Niners have not. They've done it multiple times. They traded DeForest Buckner for the 13th overall pick. They did a trade with Tampa from 13 to 14. Tampa took, I want to say Darasaw. It's not, it's, I'm blanking the, they're starting left tackle who's a stud. I got baby brain right now. And it's June. My bad. And they took Javon Kinlaw. That was a nightmare. Then, Then the following year they traded for Trey Lance. So I think it's like anything in life. When you've done something a couple times and you've been burned, you're less likely to do aggressive things again. Now they, they once traded for Christian McCaffrey. There's a big difference. Trading the second or third and a fourth for a player and first round picks. And the Rams are very comfortable trading first round picks. Hell, they, they've done it twice this year. The 49ers, I just think are kind of out. I think John Schneider and the and Seahawks are pretty good examples. They've done it a couple times and probably regretted it. Obviously the Jamal Adams thing blew up in their face. Jimmy Graham, Percy Harvin, like this. When you do it and you get Jalen Ramsey, fuck yeah. This is awesome. When you do it and you get Trey Lance or Javon Kinlaw, you're like, this sucks. So I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I, Joey Bosa, Cam Jordan, I mean, I, I don't know. I, I, I am not expecting them to do something in reaction to this. That being said, I mean, I'm not opposed to it, but I, I, I don't think that's really how they're thinking. You just bought an NFL team. You get to select the GM head coach, both coordinators and the quarterback. This is from your lifetime watching football, who are you picking? Well, I think it's just a no brainer. I mean based on my lifetime and I don't count Bill Walsh in the 80s, but of my from the mid-90s to now, I think you would have to pick. It's, it's just, it's an automatic. You pick Brady, you pick Belichick, you pick Josh McDaniels and you pick Brian Flores. I guess as defense coordinator or essentially Bill. How do you beat that? We watched it happen for 20 years now. Naheel beat it. They won six Super Bowls, they went to three others. They were in the AFC championship game basically every year. They won the division non stop. I think you would have to pick that. And number two, you'd probably have to go. You'd probably have to go. Andy Spags Mahomes mailbag Browns fan gutted by the trade. I understand you're a bad team and an all time great. You can't keep them forever. But this trade is horrible. Versus is at best a good player. Half of Miles Garrett and to get only one first round pick. It's the Rams. So that's going to be at best like the 26. Probably more like the 30th or later and then second and thirds don't matter to me. Makes no sense to me why we couldn't get the Green Bay deal. They traded for Micah. Two first round players. Real gutted. Thinking about being a Bengals fan, how can you make sense of this mess? I, I disagree with you on Jared verse. If miles 100 out of 100. You know Jared is not a 50 out of 100. He's probably like 75, 80 and I think you hope he can just get a little bit better. Here's a buddy of mine that's a pro scout. I asked him what he thought about this deal and he said on verse, he said verse is legit, dude. You consistently feel him in both phases, meaning the run in the pass. He's a pressure machine. And then he finally started converting them into sacks toward the end of the year. Plus he's going into his prime. So I think you're underselling Verse. I think if Verse had been in this draft, who knows would the Bengals, would they have taken Verse over Dexter Lawrence? I know Dexter Lawrence has been a more dominant player but he's older, he'd been banged up. I mean you're talking about versus. I get he's 25, but he has been a badass. I, I, I, I, I think it's a Good deal. And I, I think it's a deal that you guys had to make and I think it's a deal that was just too good to pass up. It's very clear that the Rams are Super bowl or bust this year. I'd give him a two year run. I, you know, Miles Garrett's under contract for several years, so is Stafford. So I, I, I think it's more these next two years. Obviously the pressure in 26 is enormous, but I, I think this is kind of like a two year bubble. But that just makes the Ty Simps Ty Simpson pick even more weird. Why not draft an impact player this year if you're clearly all in versus Simpson, who may never even be a good quarterback? I'll never get it. I don't now if Stafford gets hurt and he comes in and he's good, he's like Brock Purdy. They'll look like geniuses. They will look like geniuses. But couldn't you argue that you could find like it was, this is a bad quarterback draft, like you would not trust Carson Beck or you know, Drew Aller, you know, nuss Meyer. It just wasn't a good draft because I'd be like, well, couldn't you draft a guy in like the second or third round? But that, that, that, that didn't really exist in this draft. There wasn't like a Jimmy Garoppolo type, you know, coming out that was going to be like somewhere between pick 50 and 75. That would have made more sense than I personally, I think I would have taken Ty Simpson there like someone, was someone really taking Ty Simpson in the first round Beside less need. I don't know. One of the best, one of the best parts of your podcast is you give life and business advice. I think it really, there's a lot of just giving me a handy here. My mailbag question relates to interacting with very influential people. My sister and her business partner are doing some stuff with a branch of a massive company and because of that, I've gotten to be at a few events that are mostly social with people from that company. Among them is someone I know people would literally kill for a chance to connect with. I've been introduced briefly and there's going to be a couple more of these events in the next couple months. There's so many questions I would love to ask them, but I'm more worried about doing anything that would cause my sister problems. Is there a good way to do that or am I better off just leaving it alone? Uh, I think it's a fine balance. If it's your sister's deal, let's just assume this guy is some famous businessmen that we would all know. If you're wearing him out with questions and he's turned off, you kind of have to feel the room. I, I, I've said this before and I do believe this. If the guy's famous enough and you can do the recon, if you can figure out about his children and ask him a question like, how's your son doing at Harvard? You know, how's your, how's your daughter doing at the University of Texas or whatever. There is not a human alive, whether it's Michael Jordan or Jeff Bezos or whoever that doesn't like talking about their kids. So it is an easy icebreaker to not make things awkward if you can get that information. I think that is the easiest way to talk to someone who probably doesn't want to get peppered with stuff and make them open up to you and relax a little bit about you. Find me a human being who is influential, famous, whatever. Ask them about their children. I promise you their guard will go down a little bit. I don't know the exact, you know, situation for you and your sister. If you feel uncomfortable at all, I would just lean away from it. And if it goes well with your sister, maybe you'll have more time to be around them. But the social events, there are a lot of people there. Sometimes those are hard if you're just kind of, you just kind of there kind of a tough one. If this is like a game changing thing for your sister, I, I would just lean being conservative with being less aggressive. But if you do get an opportunity and you can just do some research, I'll pro, even if they're, I, again, I have no clue who you're even talking about. I do think that's always worked for me. I remember seeing it work on Joe Montana on the streets of San Francisco and I've used it countless times since. And it just, it just works. Even if you don't know what their kids are doing, if you can just get to the children, it's the easiest way for people to just relax a little bit and talk that don't want to talk. Me and Maria were making like jokes. We went to a wedding probably like two months ago and she, you know, she hasn't been working or whatever. She's been with Jack, I mean, 24 7. And she's like, the crazy part is I just go to this event and it's like I'm Maria. I'm Jack's mom. You know, it's like. And I even. I constantly just talk about them. It just now it changes as they get a little older, but not really. People like talking about their kids. People like talking about themselves. Let's be real. That's the other thing. It's like the easiest way to talk to people in general. The kids thing is just a. Is a genuine way. But you can always stroke people's ego. People like their ego stroked, especially successful people. But some don't. And then all of a sudden, you know, you're an awkward. I kid one is my move. How do you see the NFC west shaking out Ram Seahawks or the Niners set to re establish himself? Is this the year McVeigh leaves? No question. He's the most important coach in the league. Do the Niners have another season of aging players with injuries and no solid to save them? Do the Hawks start a dynasty sometimes? Yeah, man, I. It's going to be a war zone. I mean, on paper you would have to say the Rams are the best team in the NFL, but that's not how football's played. Puka a couple weeks ago talked about him doing some soul searching and trying to become a better human. You know, obviously you put Miles into this locker room. McDuffie's a winning player, high character player. You know, there have been some questions about Miles, like tardiness. You know, Miles just kind of got to do whatever he wanted in Cleveland, rightfully so. He's their best player by a country mile. It's not really the Rams culture. And who knows, maybe he'll just ship, fit right in and be on time every meeting. But like, there was an article last year on the Athletic. Like one thing a part of this contract was like, we need you to show up on time every day. So I would say if the games were played on paper, the Rams would win the Super Bowl. But Seattle's defending champs, the Niners, beat the Rams with Mac Jones. I think these games will be a war zone. And that's usually how it happens in division games. No matter what. Cardinals do not matter, clearly. But I would say right now the Rams got to feel pretty good about themselves. And I think it's pretty rare that the defending super bowl champs. It's a pretty easy one for Mike McDonald to use his motivation. We just won this thing and everyone's acting like they're the super bowl champs. They haven't won shit. Last time I checked, they haven't won super bowl in years. Hell, I mean Last time that was their first NFC championship game in like three years. So it's, it's going to be tough because if he's healthy, they're going to be a problem. I hear folks talking a lot about offensive minds. McVeigh, Kyle, Ben to name a few. I'm curious where you would rank Kellen Moore. He got a ring in Philly and last year with the Saints were heating up. I'd have him high. I've been a big fan since he was a player at Boise State. I'm going to pick them to win the NFC South. I think they're going to be really good. Huge believer in Tyler Schuck and if Jordan Tyson lives up to the hype, they could have an excellent offense. They added etn. You know, this Kamara thing is kind of weird. We'll have to see how that plays out. Do they end up trading him? But you get a lave who was humming their tight ends good. You get Jordan Tyson. I think the Saints are going to be good and I think Kellen Moore is a really, really dynamic listener. Since 22 I'm a new father and I believe our kids are around the same age. Mine just turned four months and like a switch started becoming crazy. This past week wife and I have been trying to adjust. Any advice to get us through the four month regression phase? You are asking the wrong man, dog. I have no four freaking clue. We're just trying to keep our heads above water. I no advice beside just good luck, Godspeed, keep swinging and nothing you can do. It's just, I guess part of the deal. I just keep telling myself the amount of human beings in the history of civilization that have done this, the amount of. And listen, just let's call a spade a spade. There are a lot of low level people who have had kids and raised kids honestly, probably done a decent job. If they can do it, I can do it. And listen, she's doing the majority of it, but it's hard. As a Packer fan, I despise the Bears. He has some choice words about Ben. However, I think it's insane. The Bears might be leaving Chicago. Not only should they stay, I believe they should never leave Soldier Field. It's iconic and I feel like the NFL is losing great stadiums in exchange for these soulless domes. Do you think the NFL should intervene to keep the Bears in Chicago? Is that even possible? Are they doomed to play in Indiana? Here's the sad part. I don't think the NFL gives a bleep about soulless domes. They Love these modern day sweets everywhere. They do not care. I, I'm in complete agreement, but clearly I've never been to Soldier Field. But by all accounts, and this is the reality with a lot of these older stadiums, is their suite capacity is nowhere near what it needs to be for the opportunity to earn the revenue that the newer stadiums can earn. You go to SoFi, which you get inside SoFi. It's the best stadium I've ever been in. It is just this modern version of dollar bills. It is, it's remarkable. And it was created to just generate rev. Now, he spent five, six, bill on it. Hope so. But that, that thing is a cash cow because of the high end seating and the suite capacities. So I, I think the amount of money you're leaving on the field or, you know, out there by playing in an old, quote unquote iconic stadium, I don't think they care. Which sucks because all these franchises getting domes is just. It sucks. It really does. But they don't care about us and they don't care about our ideas and they don't care about soulless domes because they're being built everywhere. And I would expect the Bears, your guess is as good as mine. But to play in some soulless dome. We'll end with this offseason. Question for the bag. What is your dinner routine at the house? Are you or the wife cooking? Who's cleaning up the dishes? I feel like every couple is different. There's no effing NFL news right now. This was a couple days ago. I absolutely love preparing us a meal. Cooking can overwhelm my wife, and she is happy to power through any remaining dishes on a full, satisfied stomach. That's what I call power couple. My wife's a really good cook. Now, her cooking capabilities, when you have this little. She calls them a honey badger. Crazy little four and a half month old. It's a little harder. But anytime she can cook, she cooks. So I, I chip in. And I'm not a great cook. I'm just. I'm not. I'm a barbecuer. I can barbecue. And tonight we're gonna barbecue a couple filets. I'll barbecue burgers, barbecue chicken, I'll barbecue whatever. For Mother's Day, she really wanted a tomahawk steak. So I went to the local meat market, got a tomahawk. Actually got the tomahawk. I think it's got a. I forget the. The term, but if you get the tomahawk with the bone removed, you save like 30 or 40 bucks because the bone weighs Whatever. An extra pound, and you pay for the weight. So we got. Oh, it's cowboy cut. We got the cowboy cut. I smoked it on the Traeger. It was bomb. And I actually got some sides from, like, the local Nice steakhouse because she loves her Mac and cheese. So we got some sides there. I smoked it a tomahawk for, like, took around two hours. I think it was, like, £4. It was legit. But I. I tend to cook the meat if it's not some sort of meat dish that's in the oven, in the crock pot. But, I mean, she. She enjoys. I mean, before Jack, she. She would cook four or five times a week. Now, sometimes you. You know, we're lazy, and I'll just press a button, have dinner ordered. But sometimes we do that and we regret it. The problem is the time. You know, by the time I'm done doing work, I'm just not, like, I'm not gonna cook. I can't cook a meal beside, like, meat and salad. Then, like, basic rice stuff. She can just make, like, legit meals. And I. I'm in charge of the dishes, which I'm counting down the days till that's his. That's his role. But I would say she does the majority of cooking beside the barbecuing, which is on me. And I mainly clean the dishes, which she always says that. I lied to her. When we first started dating, I said I was really clean. I used to have this condo where I lived by myself in the Bay Area, and I had this girl named Elva who would come by, like, once a week and clean it up. And it was just. It's not that. It wasn't that big. It was hard to get dirty. She used to think I was really clean. My natural inclination is probably to be kind of dirty, throw everywhere, not pay attention. She's, like, kind of a clean freak. So at first, years ago, I. I think she had a higher standard. It's like Belichick, you know, a little higher standard with what she expected in the kitchen. Granted, I paid for that kitchen remodel, but she's right. And so we try to keep the thing clean. And I've come a long way, she said, and now I'm a pretty dominant dish doer. But, yeah, how. I would say our roles are pretty well defined. And that's. That's the key to life of, like, once you get married or live with somebody, like, you kind of have to have some roles about certain things, and certain people are dirty, Certain people are cleaner, certain People like this and you know I would say women have some tendencies to have some specific things. Like I'm pretty easy going, I don't even notice that much. But her on the other hand, especially with, with him and you just get like, I guess this word's invoked, overstimulated and tensions get high. You just, you just try to keep everything, you know at peace in bay and things clean and have a good meal at the end of the day. But it's a great part about modern technology if you don't have time to cook or you're too exhausted, you just press a button and get literally anything ordered to your front door. I mean it's, it's pretty remarkable. Now I. The key is with a good doordash, Ubereats, whatever order no free ads here is to find the type meal that travels well. Like when I was growing up one thing delivered and that was pizza and you could call and the pizza would be delivered to your house. Now maybe a Chinese restaurant maybe, but I feel like we picked up Chinese but other than that like we were actually talking about this the other day. We went out to breakfast, this place called Over Easy. It's pretty good breakfast joint. Guy Fieri went there. It's dinner drive is and dives. Got some dirty eats. But you can also just see like I just got like a egg white omelet with some cottage cheese. It was good. She got a breakfast burrito. It's bomb. They got a bunch of around Scottsdale, might be a national chain, I'm not quite sure. Pretty sure it's just a Phoenix thing. But people didn't go out to eat that often when I was a kid. Like I guess I. We went out to eat sometimes as I got older in like high school. But like going out to eat in the 90s they're like I, I would imagine maybe rich people went out a lot but like most people did not like go out to eat. You go out to eat now kids, everywhere, people, everyone goes out to eat. It's pretty normal to go out to eat. I just think that is something that has dramatically changed for whatever reason. Maybe people just like the average person has more money. The average person is just more likely to just go eat than maybe my parents generation who is probably a little cheaper because they definitely grew up way poorer on the aggregate, you know in the 50s or 60s or whatever. But people just go out to eat a lot now. I mean you just go to these restaurants and they are just packed. I mean and taking a child to a restaurant at any moment, you've got a ticking time bomb, especially at his age. But yeah, man, I don't know where I was going there, but other than that, I. I gotta go put the fillets on the barbecue. Have a great night. Or have a great day or morning, or wherever it may be. And congrats to the NFL for having an incredible day. The volume. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.