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The Bengals just couldn't block me. The Broncos kill him but it's like what do you take away? And I'm someone that thought highly of the Broncos, but I don't have any takes based on playing the Bengals in that situation. I really don't know what to take away from the night, but we will attempt to do that. I will do a mailbag as well. At John Middlekopf. At John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those DMS. We created a separate YouTube page and podcast feed for the golf. So Golo now has its own podcast feed and its own YouTube channel. I did. I dove into The Ryder cup, just being there in New York, watching it Saturday and Sunday, just taking it all in from all my thoughts. And that'll be up. So make sure you go subscribe to that and the audio version, the video version, however you want to take it in. We're gonna have a lot of content there obviously next year, the podcast, but as well as video content, playing golf, screwing around, doing other stuff. 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Before we dive into anything specifically on the field, I just have an overarching take. The NFL doubleheader is a joke. Like I'm not blaming the NFL, especially early in the season when there's a major injury because coming into the Year week four, Joe Burrow and the Bengals, who went nine and eight last year against the Broncos, who were a playoff team, pretty good game on paper. You can't foresee a guy getting turf toe and his season ending. Not putting that like I understand setting Troy and Joe to that game. But this extra game at 415 with the New York jets, who won five games last season, and the Miami Dolphins who won eight, but clearly this offseason were trending probably for half that at best is just an embarrassment for the league. Like I understand you're trying to cook the books and get more people to view your product. We're all in that business. Like I understand what you're doing, right? But you don't need to do this because in the negotiations, whenever they happen in three or four years, you are going to tell everyone to jump and they are going to immediately say how high you are going to bend over all your partners and they are going to pay you whatever you demand them to pay you. Hell, whether they could even afford to make money off what they're paying you because that's how desperate they are to keep the NFL, which is by far the biggest television product in America. But to force us like foot football fans, you know what we like doing? We like watching football. We enjoy it, right? It's why sometimes like a Friday night I'll just be sitting on my couch maybe having a cocktail and watch like Rutgers Iowa. I just like football. But like Monday Night Football back to my childhood. I grew up in the 90s. If you're older than me before that or if you're younger than me when you were a kid in the 2000s, always stood for a primetime game for two teams and it was a really, really big deal. It actually is cool for the fans. It's pretty hard on the coaches and players because then they go into a short week for the coaches. They have a short game plan. But to force us to even have to pay attention to the jets playing the Dolphins, a game that deserves to be probably at 7:00am Eastern time on a Sunday to be on Monday night and then stagger it and carry it over with the Broncos and Bagels game again, lucky, because Burrow is at home doing who knows what trying to fix this toe. The game never mattered, was never in doubt after like the first snap. But the jets and Dolphins game should not be there. We don't need to do this. Who is asking for this? I just do not understand. And if they are even thinking about doing some sort of Monday night doubleheader because I've seen the London situation, the Ireland situation, the Germany situation coming a mile away. They are going to have a morning package this next television deal. And it's my guess would be it would be a full sled of games like Thursday Night Football, 16 or 15 weeks now. I hope it's only eight games, but I wouldn't put it past him to try to do the exact same thing. So when you wake up, especially for the US on the west coast and those of you, wherever you may live, there is going to be a 6:30am Pacific Standard Time kickoff starting week two, like Thursday night Football all the way up until right around Christmas. And they are going to just create inventory out of the clear blue sky. It's just going to, it's going to appear that. Because that game would exist anyway at 10am and it could be a crappy game like Miami and the jets that no one would watch, especially as the season went on and they're both like 1 in 10. Even jets fans would struggle, hate watching that shit. But maybe they're thinking like, hey, what if we sold. And who knows? I wouldn't put it past Rog double headers to two different networks. So it's like you got to go to Amazon prime for one and ABC for the other. I don't know what they're doing here, but we don't want it, we don't need it. And I have always supported, like, support would be the wrong word, but defended. When people are like, it is so difficult now to watch sports. You gotta sign up for these 75 things. Well, you guys do understand that like the legacy channels, NBC, CBS, ABC probably aren't going to exist in like 10, 15, 20 years. So if they do not create their version of Peacock or whatever their streaming service is, they're going under. Like we're all in agreement or understanding that that's the case. So it's like, I get why they're attempting to put this game on Peacock. It's not just to bend over the consumer. It's because if NBC is going to survive, Peacock is going to be all that exists in 2035. Because no one's going to go to like, NBC is not going to be around. So as, as it stands today. But I don't think we need this and I don't think we want this. Especially when it'd be one thing if it's like, hey, these are two pretty good games. Like ideally a Saturday night, for example. I wish Penn State and Oregon and Georgia and Alabama could have Been could have been at two separate times. So I. Because they were so good, trying to watch them both. Which first world problems. We're all doing that. But it would have been awesome if it went back to back, right? But it's like, hey, this just got to put them both. 4, 35 o'. Clock. That's just the time slots for the night games. It is what it is, but that's not necessary here. You could have easily put the jets and the Dolphins in them in the morning, I don't know, yesterday. Because that game was just a joke. It really, it was, it was really, really hard to watch. And I was thinking about this. I like John Spytak a lot and I totally understand. I mean, Pete Carroll was their best option. But when you sign up to coach the Raiders and when you sign up to coach the jets, typically it doesn't go well. And I have a lot of respect for Aaron Glenn. I thought what he did last year was really, really impressive. But like you sign up to be the jets coach and I get it, you played there 30 years ago, it's going to be very difficult to win. And there's a culture and there's just an organizational ethos that's hard to overcome. You feel it when you watch him play. Say the same thing about the Raiders. All Pete Carroll's done for 20 plus years is win mainly kick ass. I mean, his bad teams win nine, 10 games. His bad teams in college went like 11 and two, he gets to the Raiders, like, God, they're going to win like five games. You know, Aaron Glenn and the Lions have been kicking ass and taking names. Comes to the jets is like, jesus, what the hell is this? Same old Jazz. It's not going to change. And now I would say this, that they did not need to because I was thinking midway through the game, like, should they have just traded Garrett Wilson sauce Gardner this offseason? It's like, well, as the game went on, Garrett made some incredible plays. Like, Garrett's a big time player. So it's like if you're going to sign big time players, I have no issue with it. Even if your quarterback situation. I like Justin Fields a lot in college. I was wrong. He's just not a very good player. Fantastic athlete, had a great run tonight. I mean, struggles to hit water from a boat. But Garrett Wilson would make plays with me or you playing quarterback studio. But given SAS Gardner $100 million or whatever, it's just, that's bad business. One, what was the rush? Two, he's got to Be one of the more overrated players going tonight. Darren Waller came straight from his rap career to the field and mossed him in the end zone. Now, in fairness to Waller, freak talent looked pretty good tonight. One takeaway I had before Tyreek's leg started pointing the other way is like, you know what if Darren Waller is going to play like this and they got Tyree Kill, even if he's a little older and 80%. And then you get waddle this team, while they're not good, they're definitely not drafting in the top five, especially before the weather turns. They could win five, six games. This is a credible offense. And then the Tyree Kill situation happened. Shows you when you get older, that would have been something. When I was a kid, you know, social media didn't exist, but I would have watched that highlight. Like, I would have rewound. I would have been completely numb to it. I had. Because I had the. My main TV on the Bronco game, the other TV did not have sound. And I look over and he completes whatever. It was a quick out route sometimes, you know, I didn't have a great view. I didn't see the number. They got two smaller receivers. I couldn't tell who it was. But obviously right before they went to break, you could see his leg pointing the other way. I assumed that his, like, ankle shattered and his foot was pointing. And I was like, that is game season, career ender. So I immediately type it into to Twitter to see if it was waddle or Hill. Obviously comes out fast. It's Tyree Kill. Then everyone's reporting he dislocated his knee. They got him on a stretcher, or not a stretcher, but a wheelchair, and he's off to the hospital. And that was just, you know, that game felt like these two teams, you know, are just a disaster. Everything about them is just a disaster. I mean, the jets are going nowhere fast. They got no quarterback, they got no hope. They're supposed to have all these good young players. I mean, beside Garrett Wilson, I don't see that many of them. You could argue, get rid of every single human on the team except Garrett Wilson, the left tackle. I mean, I would get. The problem is you just gave Sauce a bunch of money. You ain't trading him. And no one's trading for that contract. Promise you that. But then you watch the Dolphins, who all these guys are going to get fired. I mean, if they're not playing the worst team or second worst team in the league, they don't look like that. I mean, you put them against a decent team. They showed the. Right before the game started. It had their record against above. 500 teams and their record first, you know, below 500 teams against below 500 teams. I forget the number, but it was well over 500. They're a winning team. Then when they play good teams, they get shellacked. And at the end of the day, that's the type game that even someone like me who does this for a living, that things on Sunday morning, with six other games going on, you're watching two, three snaps max. You're treating that thing like the. I don't even know. The Texans playing the Titans. Just a completely irrelevant, irrelevant competition. And like I said, I defend the NFL. Denver and Cincinnati on the docket. Troy Aikman going there in Denver in the. When they create the schedule, got no issue with it. Joe Burrow was in the competition to win the MVP last year on a 9 and 8 team. Right. Denver wasn't just a playoff team. They were a team on the come. You get an injury and all of a sudden you got to watch Jake Browning. And like, I don't really know what to take away from the Denver Broncos because defensive line and their front tonight dominated. Well, coming into the season, we thought they have one of, if not the best fronts, pass rushes in the league. Pretty sure they led the league in sacks last year. Their defense, in theory, should be top notch. So you're playing the Bengals, who have, I don't know, one of, if not the worst offensive lines in the league. And as the game went on, you felt bad for Jake Browning. Like, if Jake Browning had been Tua, with his concussion history, you would have had to remove TUA from the game because it would not have been safe. There was also a play while TUA took off. TUA takes off and linebackers are coming on him. Your heart stops. You almost. And I care nothing about the Dolphins besides just caring about, like I respect to. He's like, get down, get down. And he did. He slid last second. The linebacker honestly came inches from doing exactly what happened to him last year, which I think was demar Hamlin who hit him in that Bills game. And then he did that thing. It's like I. For a split second when he got hit and he. I was like, oh, my God, get up. Clearly miss because to a pop right back up. But there were some plays tonight with Jake Browning where if you were his parents, if you were his girlfriend or wife, if he has children, you just want to say, hey, Zach, get him out of the game and just direct snap to the running back. Because this is not like, this is not football. And Joe Bro is a fantastic player. Right? No one argues that. But whenever you let like this, this isn't the NBA and he's not LeBron James. And it felt like they let him dictate the personnel decisions and it's like, okay, you want T. Higgins, so you want two super high priced wide receivers we have and this 31 year old pass rusher who couldn't have been any better last year and our defense was awful. So we'll invest all our resources there. Our offensive line is going to suck and it shows. Now Joe Burrow has nothing to do with hiring the coach. The coach is clearly awful. I mean them and the jets, the penalties, the unorganization guys lining up in the wrong spots. Penalties. He's screaming at people. Jamar Chase is screaming at him. It's Cincinnati is just, it's a zoo. But here's my thing and this is like the Jet situation. It's like in theory, if Burrow was healthy you'd be like, yeah, pretty intrigued. But you're just going to go sign up for that thing with Joe Burrow now. Massive, massive injury question marks. You have financial investments and very wide receiver heavy. Well, how do you just get offensive lineman beside the draft, right? And even the last several years the draft doesn't give you that many. There's not many guys to sign. Like free agency doesn't provide that many. It's really, really hard to find solid offensive linemen. So I think, I think if you're a Bengal fan, you have to be a little nervous because it's going to get really, really ugly. And I felt bad like, like I said, I don't really know what to say about the Broncos. Like what are you supposed to take away? The quarterback made some nice throws. He actually clearly has a much better arm than the way it was at least sold to the public. I remember watching him kind of watching some YouTube highlights. I mean I watched him play a lot at Oregon, but then just going back, I was like, you know, because everyone said his arm was weak. I'm like, I don't think his arm is that weak. And you saw tonight like Bonix has a pretty big arm. But there is, you know, they try to utilize his athleticism a lot. They obviously have some skill guys who are pretty explosive. RJ Harvey had a couple of runs tonight. You're like, okay, I kind of can see that. I see why Sean was really high on him. But there's no takeaway from that. That's like, you know, like when the Lions were doing joint practices with the Dolphins and they had a couple of players like, yeah, I'm not really sure what they're doing over there. It was almost like they didn't even get that much out of practice. Now the good thing is in the NFL you only play so many games. Every win matters. So you win the game, you kill them. But like, am I supposed to make some concrete opinions? Like, okay, actually, you know, I like them to compete for the afc. I like them now. Yeah, they got good players. I'd like to see them, I don't know, play well against real teams. They took care of business tonight. Against a team that has no shot. If you are a decent team and you have a decent pass rush. Jake Browning, Sacramento guy, I was completely wrong on him. I didn't think he would make it through one training camp. After watching him through college, not one training camp, let alone have 8, 9, 10 year career, whatever, it's going to, whatever's going to happen for him. But not trying to be a dick. I just don't really enjoy watching guys like that play. I mean, I. Especially on a team that has no chance. It's just, it's not very consumer friendly. And as you can see, Jamar Chase goes, A.J. brown, he gets pissed off. He's like, what's going on? Well, Jamar, this is. You guys are, you know, kind of a house of cards. And when Joe disappears, this is, this is what's going to happen. And they are. He is now making a ton of money and I don't blame him for signing the contract, but this is going to get a lot worse. Right. And you know, think about some of the teams in their division. What do you think? Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett could just line up. They wouldn't even have to have any other defensive lineman. It could just be one on five. I bet he would get to the quarterback 50% of the time. What do you think is going to happen when The Steelers especially TJ's played a lot better the last couple of weeks. He looks like he's played the last couple of weeks against that. I think they play in a couple of weeks on Thursday night. He's going to kill Jake Browning. He's going to kill him. Seriously. I mean it's got like to a situation written all over. He's going to, he's going to get injured and Zach, yell at the referees. It's not his fault. He doesn't control the roster. The Browns do that. Duke Tobin, guys, I don't know, but if you're a Bronco fan, fun night. Kicking their ass. I think, you know, the young running back showed a couple of signs. Your defense ran around practice dummies. And I think the question mark for the Broncos is going to be. I love how Sean Payton, he has. He reminds me a lot of my dad, like, when I was a kid, how they. How everyone in the 90s read newspapers. There are probably some kids watching this that are, like, 20 years old. They don't even know what a newspaper is. They used to be this thing that was delivered. They would, like, have the news. It had several sections. It had, like, the front page was the main news. You know, politics, there was a car accident. Just stuff going on around the world. They'd have a business section, then they would have a sports section. For us kids, you know, the Internet didn't exist. It's where you'd read about sports. Pretty cool. You know, they. They. They had a pretty big impact on society. But most people, especially older people, would read them, and their glasses would be down toward their nose. That's how Sean Payton calls place. He, like, has his. His. His glasses. They're never just like, his glasses are on, and I don't understand. I. I'm probably a year. I thought I needed glasses, and then I went to the Costco optometrist, and he's like, you know, you're probably a couple years away. You can get them. Because sometimes when I'm looking at light, especially at night, it's really blurry. He's like, yeah, it's kind of distance vision issues at night, but he's like, that's kind of. You don't necessarily need glasses for it, but if you want them, you can get them. So I've never quite understood when people put them at their nose and they're like, reading down. That's how Sean Payton calls plays. So every time you see him with the Broncos, he's doing that and usually calling a rollout for Bo Nix to sling that thing. But, yeah, I mean, I don't really know what else to say beside just awful product tonight. Just terrible, honestly. Kind of embarrassing. Now. You don't totally control it, like I said with the Burrow thing, but the early game, that was avoidable. And, you know, I get Rodgers making 50 million, and I've supported him over the years. You know, the media hated him 10 years ago. I never did, Like, I thought, like, I think he's pretty good at his gig. Made some mistakes. No one's perfect. So have I. So have you. But this thing, whoever's involved in this should be ashamed. They really should. We can't have the jets and the Dolphins situation happening again. So congrats to the Dolphins for getting a win and the Broncos as well for getting to 2 and 2. And we just move on with our life. We are extremely excited to announce our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. 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Fire in those DMS and get your questions answered on the show. It's not questions from the weekend, but I'm recording this on Monday about 45 minutes before the jets play the Dolphins. So let's, let's get in the football mode. We will start with Taylor Nose Itch. Hey, John, do you think Jackson Dart is truly special or do you think he did really well because there's very little game tape on him? I feel like we've been down this road with other newcomers, guys like the Pastronaut and Jameis Winston. These guys and many more were gunslingers before defenses figured out how they were going to sneak it up. Do you think Dart is any different than those guys and why? I honestly, the only thing that you can take away from darts for start gave him energy, has physical tools, but to make, I mean, he, I think he was 13 of 20 for 110 yards. Did you know he ran the touchdown, made some good plays with his legs, his best receiver. I just saw a headline about an hour ago. I think the news came out a long time ago. I hadn't really been on the Internet this morning is what we all knew is that neighbors is out. So I mean, his best by far. I mean one of the best young skill guys in the NFL is gone for the year. So it's going to be difficult. It's basically him, Scatterboo and a group of randoms. So I, I'm excited to watch him play, but I think statistically it's not going to be a great year and they're not going to win many games. So you just, you almost got to look forward to next year. And listen, I mean, he got, he was banged up in the first game. His hamstring was tight. Thank God he didn't hurt his hand. So I would say solid first start, right? The expectations for the franchise are extremely low. Hope the owner I saw announced that he has cancer today, John Mora. So hopefully he's going to be okay. We know how difficult that can be. Seven years old. I mean, I've had it in my family. It's, it's, he didn't give us much details, but, you know, clearly his best doctor and medical team in New York helping him out. So there's a lot going on with the franchise. You know, is the coach fighting for his job. But I would say overall, solid first start But I don't. I don't know. I mean, it's just. Wait. We got a long way to go before we go. He's the real deal or he's not. Mailback this past off season, I heard a lot of talk about the Ravens and the Vikings roster and how good they were going to be. Mainly the Vikings rebuilt offensive line. We're now basically a quarter of the way through the season and the Ravens defense and the Vikings offensive line have both been the worst in the league. Are we at the point now where we can say both the Ravens and the Vikings are completely cooked this season regardless of what happens with the rest of their team? I just don't see how Baltimore can make it anywhere with a defense nearly as bad as the Cowboys. And I think, and I can't think of a single quarterback who would be doing well behind possibly the NFL's worst offensive line. Is there any bigger setup for failure than throwing McCarthy out there against Jalen Carter and the Eagles defense with an offensive line that allows 500 sacks per game? Yeah, I mean, I would say that. Welcome to the NFL. I mean most of these offensive lines in the league are really bad. We have an epidemic poor offensive line play. No one practices anymore. College is full of spread offenses. There's no developing anymore because training camps are, you know, basically walkthroughs now. Glorified walkthroughs in a lot of places. This is not going to change. He's most people are going to play behind bad offense. Mahomes offensive line last year was atrocious for most of the year. You know, he's like part of the problem with some of these guys coming from college is his offensive line in college was dominant. He never got touched. You know, I'd say the same thing for Pennix when he was in college. I think he got sacked like eight times his last year at Washington. That's not the NFL. You're going to get hit all the fucking time. Tom Brady was getting peppered, Peyton Manning was getting peppered. And that was when they had better offensive lineman 15, 20 years ago. So it's like I don't the offensive line thing, like a lot of offensive lines are very hit or miss. Most people don't have the 90s Cowboys operation in front of them. So I feel little sympathy for going, yeah, three of our five offensive linemen aren't that good. Yep, that's welcome to the league. Most people are not the Eagles, I would say the Ravens, you know, injuries. The best defensive lineman is now, I think I saw today out. Metabuque is out for the season. Van Oy, who knows? Roquan Smith's now out for several games with a hamstring, Marlon Humphreys hurt. It's like, this is, you know, in the NFL, you need a schemer on defense. We also need players, right? Vic Fangio has been a good defensive coordinator with Jalen Carter, with. With sweat, with Brandon Graham, with. With good DBs, with Alden Smith and Justin Smith and Patrick Willis. You give Vic Fangio me and you. You can't. You can't overcome personnel. So I saw the Ravens last year. By the end of the season, they were really good defense. And right now they have a bunch of injuries and they stink and they're really bad. I mean, they. I think they record for amount of points given up through the first four games. But, yeah, they got no chance, absolutely no chance to be any good with a defense that future. You can't win. You can't go above.500 with one of the worst defenses in league history. It's impossible because it's impossible to have that good of an offense. Like, it's not just like, you know, the number one offense in the league. You have to. You'd have to have a historic offense to make up for how shitty your defense was. And clearly the Ravens offense isn't that. One question I have. I started listening to you the past month. Appreciate it. One question I have is, do you see the Colts actually competing for a Super bowl this year or even just an appearance in the conference championship game? After not playing their best against the Rams and still keeping it close, I started to get my hopes up. There was one point yesterday, you know, trying to watch all four of the afternoon games where it hit me like, the Colts are really good. You know, they are a really good team, and obviously there was. It felt like they were going to win. I think Daniel Jones has blown me away. I think Jonathan Taylor currently is one of the best players in the league. Tyler Warren looks like a home run draft pick. Defensively, they're pretty solid. Obviously, they had. I got to go back, and I must have not been paying attention. Did he drop a ball in the end zone? I didn't. I got to go back and look at that play. I saw the holding where he kind of grabbed the guy's jersey and ripped him down. And Jonathan Taylor had probably. If that wasn't holding him, one of the best runs of his career was sweet. Look like genty against the Bears, but I'd feel pretty good. We got a Long way to go, but I text coward. This like midway through that game. The Colts for the last five years have been a quarterback away from being a good team. Now how good? I conference championship game. It's hard in the afc. You know, obviously the Ravens look gone, but it's like, okay, all right. In the second round, you could play the Bills, you could play the Chiefs, you could play a Harbaugh led Chargers team. You know, it's just going to be difficult. But yeah, I mean, I'd feel pretty confident. Like you're better than the Jags. The Jack to me, Trevor Lawrence is a concern. Their defense actually is pretty good in Jacksonville. Their pass rush is really good. But I just, I just watched Trevor Lawrence to go. I don't see it. I don't, I just don't see it. Everyone's shitting on the tush push and as an Eagles fan, I'm tired of the discourse. Just ban it. We got a Super bowl and I'm sure the play will be in the hall of Fame one day. But no. 1 points that people have made now one point that people have made, it's just not fun to watch or quote. It hurts the television product and the NFL is an entertainment business. But what I'm not hearing anybody discuss this early in the season is the excessive flags for taunting. It's making watching a game so deflating. It happened to Cooper Dejan on a huge third down stop when he stepped over a guy that celebrated with his teammates. And to put my bias aside, the week before, Puka made a huge third down catch, flexed his biceps and pointed to the fucking end zone and the rest flagged him. Maybe it's because it's September, nobody's really freaking out, but you will see fan outrage to me this way more damaging than a one yard play. What are your thoughts? Listen, I've said the same thing for targeting. I'd say the same thing for taunting. Like unless you do the throat slash or something taunting like, give me this. This is the NFL. There are millions of dollars in jobs on the line, careers on the line, every single time you buckle that chinstrap. Like I just do not understand the over regulation of some of this stuff. And Goodell, like, this is a point that I think the owners like. Yeah, I mean you guys are like 80 years old billionaires and Rogers a 66 year old guy that's been making $50 million for 15 years. I don't think they have a great feel for us, the consumer. I mean, I really don't. So yeah, I mean, I think they overthink this one. Nobody cares. Now, you could go the broken window theory. If you don't just kind of slow it down, it could just get really crazy. Well, it's like, have it pretty clear, you know, you can't do a fake gun, you can't do a throat slash. But, like, if you want to flex on an opponent, like, give me this football. This isn't. This isn't the library. You know, I. I'm with you. I. I think it's pretty stupid as well. It's always bothered me having been someone that, you know, joined the warriors bandwagon when I worked in radio, and, And I remember going to games with Stephen Clay before they had won championships, and I was like, these guys are awesome. And obviously, Draymond has been a pretty big wild card, but he gets a lot of texts for screaming like fu at the opponent. And I guess I get it if you say it to the referee, but even then, like, this isn't junior high. Like, this is the big leagues. And I get there's got to be a level of respect, but, like, this is not a normal work environment. So we got to have, like, different standards. Can you please help me understand the Salla quote, unquote, sign steal legal sign stealing stuff. First off, that's an oxymoron. Secondly, what's the point of him saying that? Gamesmanship. So the second guess clues, they think they're getting. I'm. I'm really confused about what this was about. I'll be honest. I saw the headlines, but I was traveling on Thursday when Salah talks, so I was a little out of the loop. And Friday I was. I was at the Ryder Cup. So I wasn't. I wasn't up to speed on that story. And then trying to follow yesterday with, I wish they just would have let him fight a little bit. Like, no. What's Robert Salah going to do, swing on him? The league would suspend him. Like, what are these guys going to do? Fight? Like, give me a break. And listen, I. I like Robert Sal a lot, but saying, I'll end your life. Like, no, you won't. You're a multimillionaire. None of you guys are going to do anything. I, you know, and I listen to a lot of 49er stuff. Like, Salah's the one that created this. When I got in the NFL, the green dot had existed. So the sign stealing stuff that Belichick was doing didn't exist anymore. And Belichick did what every team in the league did they would get your signs and know your personnel. So if you motion, you know, a right fist up or like a touchdown signal or just whatever with your hands, like a, you know, like a first or third base coach, they would time up your signals with your personnel and potentially the plays you're running on defense or offense with the tape. And you would try to decipher. Now, you could change it game to game. But now, like, if I want a certain offensive personnel group on the field, let's say it's three wide receivers, a running back and a tight end. Whatever that team calls that, I think Andy Reid calls it like Tiger. That's old west coast terminology. Well, you would tell the quarterback what the play is, but you would also start screaming whatever that personnel is, and potentially use hand signals. So. And vice versa. Like, the defense does that as well. So when you bring in a personnel package, they try to match it with a personnel package. And then based on that personnel package that you bring in on the down and distance, right? So if it's second and long or third and short or in the red zone or whatever area of the field, they have studied throughout the week the tendencies and in a best case scenario, Belichick style, they kind of know what player running. And nowadays you're taking an educated guess. So I think Sol is saying that you've been, I guess, breaking down defensive personnel's hand signals. Even though I can just say it into the linebackers. Like, I'm not signaling my defensive play call, I'm telling it to the green dot who then tells the team. But I do signal the personnel. We want for guys to run off the field and guys on the sideline to run on the field. But at the end of the day, like, it's not. You can choose to do that, you can choose not to do that. It's not legal or it's not illegal. So I didn't see Solace quotes. I know deep in 49er land, people think that Sala is bitter that he didn't get the Jacksonville job and he thought he was getting it. Cohen was out, and then they fired Balky and Cohen got back in and got the job. And Salah obviously had to be a defensive coordinator. I would say this from a 49er perspective, like, that's a little concerning. This guy just got run out of the building. He's obsessed with being a head coach. And which I get it, we all have our ambitions, but it's why I always thought it's a little disingenuous about, like High level college football and pro football. It's like, be where your feet is. Be present. The coach is always saying that. And they're busy. They're trying to get another job. So I think there are a lot of different elements on this one. The sign ceiling stuff is just a stupid comment. I don't even know why he would bring that up. My take would be he hates Liam Cohen for some reason. It was just. It doesn't seem like him just taking the Jacksonville job would be enough. Maybe there's something else behind it, but I thought it was, bro, you're not a player. What are you doing? Like, you're not going to back this up. What are you going to do? Fight the guy, telling him, like, you can argue. Liam yelled at him first. Like, take my name out of your mouth. Which I don't blame him. Salah did this. Salah said this. This was something he created. And then he starts saying, like, I'll end your life. Which Salah does kind of look like he's on the Juice right now. He's a big guy. But you're going to fight him. I just. I thought the whole thing was kind of stupid, kind of embarrassing for Robert, honestly. Like, bro, you just lost. He just beat you. He didn't beat you. Your defense actually played well. But, like, your team lost this team game or is it an individual game? Because you're kind of making this about yourself right now. Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week. That is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that. Yes. Might want to go back to the Colt Stadium. Yeah. Might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with Pretzels was working pretty well. It's worked for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him. 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Why do you think Geno was touted as a better player than Sam when all facts presented to us, Gino has this like, I'm not in this community and honestly don't follow this community that closely beside, like following some of these guys on Twitter. Is this the stats? I would say the analytical community of people that talk about football for a living are very high on Geno. I don't know if they still are after the last couple games, but have been kind of, you know, beating the drum for Geno. Smith's like a top 10 quarterback and like he can have moments like he did against the Patriots where he does look really good, but I think over the course of the season, he's kind of average. I'm with you on Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was excellent last year beside like three games. And then this year he looks really good. So I don't even think it's debatable. And then when you factor in the age, like, Gino has a big arm, okay, Cool. Throws a lot of interceptions. I know Green Bay is looked at by most to have won the MICA trade, and I think he's a phenomenal player. But is any player that's not a quarterback worth $47 million a year in your opinion? Dallas is going to have two additional first round picks over the next four or five years on rookie deals, plus 47 plus million dollars per year to spread around the roster. It actually doesn't. It's not that simple like basketball or baseball, but I know exactly what you're saying. They actually don't have. They have, you know, they gave, they gave Micah, what, $125 million guaranteed. Like they have that guaranteed money to spread around, really. So it's, it's, it's more than 47. I guess it's just different. But I know what you mean and you're not wrong. Theoretically. I said this when they traded him. He's a really talented player and no one is better. He's a very natural pass rusher and obviously his ability to run you down and use athleticism, he's a special athlete. But this was not trading for Reggie White in his prime. He's not remotely. And this is more of a compliment to Myles Garrett, but he's not Myles Garrett. And if you're Going to go all in on him. Like, the only way for this to work is your team has to, to me, minimum, get to the NFC championship game. And to me, he's got to have 15 to 20 sacks and be one of the best players in the league. It's like, what was that last night? Now, maybe banged up his back. But you need, like, dominant performances, and that's a classic game. It's like, okay, our defense is playing like crap. Our defense looks like the Cowboys. And listen, it's football. Sometimes you have weird games. High school, college pros, it's every. No one's immune to this. You just have a weird game. The Dax playing. Well, Brian Schottenheimer's calling a good game. Okay, cool. Well, Micah did have one huge moment where he stopped Dak for the. You know, probably would have scored. I don't think we know for a fact, but let's just say he would have scored. He tackles him, and ultimately that led to the field goal that led to a tie. But how were not. There weren't like, four or five more of those moments where maybe he creates a couple sacks, and instead of the Cowboys driving down the field and getting a touchdown, Micah has, like, two sacks on a drive and gets them off the field. And that's the difference in the game. Like, they needed that last night. It's not about Micah versus the Cowboy. It could have been any team in that situation. It's like, okay, Micah, we gave you $188 million. You know, you're going to see every penny of this contract. Can you just make some crazy shit happen? And he just couldn't. He just didn't really. So I would say, if I'm a Packer fan, I was like, God, I mean, we need a little more from you. With so many people focusing on the Eagles offensive struggles, it has been underrated. Just how awful the defensive backfield is. Adore Jackson and Ringo may be two of the worst players I've ever seen. That being said, would you consider Quinon Mitchell an early defensive player of the year candidate based on how much they rely on him? I was kind of going back and forth audio between the morning games. And one thing, because, you know, part of listening to the audio is just. It's why primetime games, the job I do, are just easier to do because you're just getting more information. And, like, when a guy gets injured, like, you just might not. If you're watching silent, you're watching other games. You might not realize what's going on. But they said that he was following around. It looked like Chris Godwin in that game. And that's usually something Fangio doesn't do. I would say this. Most defenses do not have two good corners. You know, you guys were pretty lucky and you could say Slay was slipping a little bit, but obviously Slay has been a really good player. If you have two. You know, I think Mitchell is a high end corner and has an opportunity to be one of the best players at his position for his career. But like they're you. You can't pay all these other players. You're paying your offensive line, you're paying the wide receivers, you're paying your quarterback, you're paying your running back, you paid the linebacker, you've invested draft picks in the defensive line. Like you're going to need some random guys to play some of these other positions. So I don't really know what. You're not going to have a perfect roster. There's no such thing as basically in the salary cap situation that all these teams are in to be like, yeah, we have no weakness. So you're going to have a shitty corner and ideally your pass rush gets there. Safety help can have, you know, help. But I listen to Dory Jackson, Ringo, you could sign other guys from the practice squad, but this is going to be like, it's just going to be it. I don't know what to tell you. And you can win a Super bowl. Your offense needs to clearly play better. But like teams have won Super Bowls with average second corners. Hey John, load the pod. The special teams around the league has been either really good or God awful. As both Iowa and a Packers fan, I was hurting last night watching the way the game played out because I got spoiled with the literal best special teams playing college football at Iowa and some of the worst special teams play watching the Packers. Would it be unreasonable idea for Gudikens to get on the phone with Lavar woods today and to essentially what they did with Halfley a year ago, I would imagine is that the Iowa special teams coordinator you paid Rich Versace, I'm sure a lot of money. He's probably one of the highest paid special teams coaches in the league. And like there is clearly these field goals, getting blocked, pats field goals. I don't ever remember anything quite like it. I don't know if it's some of the players are not focused on that play, but there are lanes these guys are getting through that it's, you know, forever. When a field goal got blocked, it'd be like, oh, it was off Calais Campbell, who's 6 foot 7, fingertips. You're like, what a play. Now it's like there are three guys right there to block this thing. And how often lately has the dude that blocked it just been like right in front of the kicker and picked it up? I mean, the one the Eagles had against the Rams, the guy that blocked it takes out the holder. And Jordan Davis is also right there, who I'm pretty sure blocked an earlier field goal. Him or Jalen. They're just constantly around the kicker. So I don't know. Listen, I. I'm more Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Matt LaFleur. I don't like special teams either, but that's not my job. Right. Most of us, we take piss breaks when special teams comes on the. On the field. If you're the head coach kind of matters. I would say Rich Versace spot. The amount of pressure that's on the packers right now is immense. These guys are coaching and GMing for a contract extension. They just made one of the boldest moves in the history of the franchise. Definitely financially and I mean, when's the last time the Packers, I just don't remember them doing anything quite like this. If you think about, like, what were their two most important moves defensively over the years? Well, Reggie White was a free agent, so they didn't have to give up any draft capital and so was Charles Woodson. So it's like they didn't trade for those two players. They traded for Favre. They use the 24th pick on Rogers, the 27th pick or 29th pick, whatever. It was on love. But like they traded two first rounders and gave this guy $188 million. So it's. Everyone better be on edge there, starting with the special teams coach. Figure this shit out. Simple question. If the offense continues to sputter in Philadelphia and it's clear Patolo. Patola or Patolo. Not sure how to spell. He put an O. I think it's an A. And it's clear he needs to go. Does Sirianni even take a chance at calling place? If not, then who? Lol. I would say this. I didn't know this last night when I was recording, But I guess A.J. brown. I saw some people say A.J. brown, the first guy that puts his fantasy numbers ahead of winning. Clearly he's not happy, which in a weird way I kind of understand. You know, you're one of the best players at your position. They can't get you the ball. Your quarterbacks throwing balls all over the place. It's like, I'm a champion now. I'm trying to be a legend. Throw me the fucking pill. And I got an offensive coordinator that. The offense looks dramatically worse. The quarterback's confidence looks shaken. Thank God for the tush push. But it's like A.J. brown has a chance to make it weird. You know, I mean, let's face it. Brandon Graham said what he said. We all believed him. They can try to erase what he said and he could even run it back like he was being honest in that relationship. Something weird is there now when you win a Super bowl, just like you could have a weird relationship with a partner in business, if you have your best year ever, financially, you're going to deal with them well. Then when things like when someone feels slighted or not getting the credit or maybe makes a little bit less money, like, problems arise, problems come back to the surface. And for aj, you can call him selfish, like receivers are, they're very selfish. Part of the deal. And you think, well, he won a championship. He's being paid a bunch of money. He clearly wants the ball, he wants the rock. And the offensive coordinator and the quarterback are not getting it to him. And when you're a guy like that, it looks like your quarterback in the offense is averaging like 150 yards passing a game. I don't even know if it's that high. People are going to get edgy. Honestly, it's the most interesting thing about the Eagles. You're going to learn not to disrespect in all caps. The Los Angeles Rams, we pull it up to Sofi north and winning a chip. Go ahead and bet on that 49ers clown. Add that to your mailbag, nerd. You know, I don't think of all things I've ever been called, and I've been called a lot of things on the. The Internet and social media streets. I don't think I've ever been called a nerd, which, honestly, I take a little bit of pride in being called because that means you think I'm intelligent, which I've. The reason I've never been called that is because I don't think most people think, like, God, middle class, pretty smart. But I appreciate and I don't think it's so fine, north, given that the 49ers typically sell out your building, which I would imagine on Thursday, even though I think they're in a little trouble because of the injuries. Did Sunday night's game just prove that the NFL should swallow their pride and adopt the college football overtime rules, this question, same thing. It is fucking dumb for a game to end in a tie. And the NFL should do something about it. They should at least come up with some sort of tiebreaker. Even just having each team take turns kicking 50 yard field goals until one of them misses. Or the NFL could just be smart and adopt the OT college rules. I do believe if you think about basketball, in baseball, it's impossible to end in a tie, right? Baseball, because no one except Bob Costas wanted to watch games till two in the morning, started putting a runner on second. In basketball, you just go five minute quarters and you just try to end the thing, right? And in football in the regular season, like ending in a tie, it's better than a loss, right? But if you're the pack. So for the Cowboys, that they can win six games and be 610 and one, which actually will cost them draft, draft position potentially. And for the packers, this could be the difference of, you know, not that not winning that game could be the difference in winning division. I'd have no problem with college football overtime rules. I think a lot of people would push back. I'd be all for it. I'm cool with it. I'd even just do this. How about like you get a two point, both teams get two point conversions. I'd be cool with that. It's like, listen, that's not the way the game's played. Well, you had 60 minutes to determine it, so now it's time to fucking end it, right? It's why I was for the runner on second base. We've watched nine innings and no one can win. No one wants to keep watching this thing. Go for another six innings, put a runner on second. Let's play, score some runs and get the hell out of here, right? I'd say the same thing for college. Everyone's like, I hate the college rule. Well, they had 60 minutes to someone to win the game and no one could. So now it's time to determine this thing quick. Especially in a game like football where physically it takes a toll on you. I go right to just, each team gets a two point conversion and first team to either get stuffed or, you know, whatever, right? I make you miss, I win, I make you make, we go, we get another round. I'd be fine with that. I don't want to hear that's not the purity. The purity of the game is the actual game. What is with the sudden obsession with changing field goals? We're getting longer kicks every year and more blocks than Ever. I couldn't think of a more on the edge of your seat ending if I tried kicking his skill position like any other and is neither automatic or random. The best receivers drop balls, the best quarterbacks miss throws and the best kickers miss kicks all the while. If your offense or defensive line sucks, it'll blow up in your face much like any other play. Leave field goals alone. I agree. I don't what's. What are people talking about getting rid of field goals? Yeah, I mean I think it's an exhilarating play. I think two things have been changed dramatically. I think the PAT moving back and Belichick gets credit for that one is just adds a little excitement. You never know, it's a little bit longer you can miss. Obviously the block potential and the kickoff rule is dramatically more entertaining. One, we're getting returns which we just simply were not into their strategy. You see some of these teams do these like weird kicks and the guys don't know how to field it. Some of them try to angle it kick out of bound, you get it to 40. If you kick it too far, they get the 35 just become an intriguing play. And that was easily a couple years ago the most boring play in the NFL. Yesterday I missed a play and I look up, I come back from the bathroom and the Jags are like the 50 yard line. I'm like, how do they get there? Because they returned at like 54 yards. Maybe they were like the 40. I mean it was like how did they get there? And that's the thing. It used to just be like automatic kick in the end zone. Neil, at 20 yard line, if we want to score a touchdown, we got to go 80. And if we want to kick a field goal, we got to go like 40. Now it's like if you just break one tackle, you're already at like the 40 yard line. And some of these kickers are so good. You really have to go like 15 yards so you can get in field goal. You could have 26 seconds left on the clock at the end of the first half. And if you have a decent return, you can easily get in field goal range. Shit. Brandon Aubrey. You just have to get to like the 50 yard line. So if I get to the 35, I really just need one explosive play. 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