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3 & Out - Caleb Williams & Bears STUN Packers in OT Thriller on NFL Super Saturday
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What is going on? Everybody did we really just witnessed that the Chicago Bears in one of the crazier comebacks, I would say, of their season because they've had some but definitely the craziest comeback, down 16 to six with five minutes left in the game, get an onside kick. And Caleb Williams is, you know, I, I, I would say doing some work to establish one day I might have a, a statue in front of the stadium because that, that was a pretty iconic moment for a legendary franchise. And we'll, we'll dive all into the game before we talk any football. Subscribe to the page like the video, leave a comment, interact with the people, start screaming down there with each other. Go middle golf. Why are you going to Netflix? But tonight is about Caleb Williams, the Chicago Bears. Appreciate everyone watching. We will be live again tomorrow, have the podcast with Colin as well, then live again Monday night for the 49ers and Indianapolis, a little Phillip Rivers Monday night. So we got a lot going on coming up here in the near future. But tonight's really all about Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears. And listen, I mean I talk about this sometimes. You got to be really careful about writing your script. I don't script podcasts. Obviously you could just see me talking into the, the camera. But the topics and the headlines and the things that you're fired up about and once they got that onside kick, it obviously ruined everything. And you know, they, they were down 16 to 6 with five minutes left to go. And if you would have told me that earlier today before the game kicked off and I, before we even talk any football, a lot of props to Chicago. I don't usually get like this. I, I definitely do sometimes on Saturdays throughout the fall when you turn on a game and you go, that looks pretty cool. That looks like a place that I would want to be at. That looks like an incredible experience for everyone sitting in that stadium. And because the Bears really since like the Erlacher Briggs days. And maybe in 2010 was their last really, really good season when they were in the NFC championship game, ironically, they lost to that Aaron Rodgers Packer team that went on to win the Super Bowl. We haven't seen them in that many enormous games late in the season at home. And when that game started, it felt like lsu, Bama, it felt like Ohio State, Michigan. It felt really big and really important. And Chicago obviously is one of our great sports towns in America. And I, I've never, you know, lived there or anything. But now living in Arizona, some of my neighbors, you know, are from there and it is a bear city. And that, that place being alive was freaking awesome. I mean it was alive all early in the game and then obviously when they got that onside kick and that place was just rocking. But even throughout the game when, and at one point in time they're down 10 points in a windy game, you're like, this is going to be impossible. They're just going to lose. Caleb was playing pretty well. Like I, if you would have told me that they were down 10 plus points, they only had 6 points with 5 minutes to go in the game, I'd be like, I bet Caleb didn't play well. If anything, I thought Jeff Halfley was doing a really good job of just corralling him. He, throughout the game hadn't made plays, scrambling around, doing what he has done all season and he didn't get that many opportunities because I looked in the fourth quarter, the Bears had 20 less plays. The time of possession skewed heavily to the Packers. Green Bay ran the ball tonight 44 times for 192 yards. It's not like he was 2 of 25. He just didn't get that many plays, didn't get that many pass attempts. But they get the onside kick and he just turned into superman. Couple big runs, a nice throw to DJ Moore and then once they got down to the goal line again, Halfley's elite, like I, I, I, I came away from that game thinking Jeff Halfley is awesome. He's his timely blitzes and they were getting home. They did a really good job of not letting Caleb just like scramble around. Every time he would turn there would be a guy there. Clearly the coaching points on the, you know, keeping the lanes because Caleb is so dangerous when he's scrambling around. And when they called that blitz on that game tying touchdown pass, Caleb, you know, when it left his hands because the previous two passes had been air males, I assume like, oh my God, did he Just miss him. Because all of a sudden you look and this guy, I'll be honest, I don't know anything about. His name is John A. Walker, the undrafted free agent. Don't remember his college career, that's for sure. But when it left his hands, I'm like, I think he missed him. And it was honestly like, if there had been a defender in front of him, if the packers hadn't screwed up, it would have been like Joe Montana to Dwight Clark. It was a dime, obviously, in a great catch. It was just like the perfect play. And you went, what a moment for the young man. And. And I'm a big Kevin Burkhart fan. Listen, Tom Brady is vastly improved. And part of the compliment toward Tom Brady is you just watch his games and you, you don't even, you know, last year's like, what is he talking about now? It's just like, it's just a flow of the game. It's just really good. It's an easy watch. And they were saying, like, I think he'd go for two. He's. I bet he's going to go for two. You do not go for two at home. You do not go for two at home. When they have their backup quarterback in the game and you have one more win than them, you 100% do not do that. I, I don't care what these new spreadsheets say. What Paul D. Podesta and his 75 people working for the Browns say as they win three games a year, I don't give a shit. You do exactly what Ben Johnson did. And Ben Johnson, early in this game, on that first drive when they drove right down the field and you went, this guy's got a dial today. Had probably the worst play call of his career. Definitely of his career, since he's called meaningful football. Right? The last couple of years with the Lions and obviously this year with the Bears, when DeAndre Swift had been running right down their throat, you have a quarterback who is just an exceptional athlete who can make shit happen with his feet. And they did some, like, snap it under Cole commence, like, as he's pretended to be the quarterback to do a tush push to the running back that gets air mail. It was a disaster. And I bet I'm doing this right after the game. Ben Johnson's going to admit that that's beyond stupid. Listen, it happens. No one's perfect. Like, I'm not acting like you can't do a dumb play call. It's just weird to see when you have one of the Best play callers in the league, who has been kind of, as the kids would say, in his bag all season long. But one thing that you have to do in these games, and I think it's been hard and they kind of talked about it during the broadcast, is I think when Caleb was talking to Kevin and Tom, he's like, listen, you know, part of, you know, when you watch Steph Curry, he's gonna, he doesn't anymore. But early on in his career you're like, what the hell are you, oh, great shot. And there is a huge element like, listen, I, I was wrong. I did not think this was gonna work. I did not. And early in the season, his accuracy issues, what Ben Johnson would like in a player. But the one thing Caleb has shown which I respect the most when it comes to players is mental toughness. And mental toughness doesn't show up in the first quarter. Mental toughness shows up late in games. Mental toughness shows up when you're fatigued. And what happens late in games, you've been hit a couple times, you're feeling it mentally, physically, you are, you know, it, it takes big time. Focus. The majority of games in the NFL are within one score in the fourth quarter. This is not JMU versus Oregon. This is not two lane Ole Miss in the NFL. When you have two good teams like the packers and the Bears, let alone like what a bad team plays a good team, you get close games all the time. Hell, look at the Eagles in Washington throughout the first like two and a half quarters, tightly contested game, the NFL. And Caleb has shown time and time again like he's mentally pretty tough. There has never been any disputing his physical skills. Like that pass he made to tie the game was, you know, getting rushed. Coming back, corner, back corner of the end zone was a big time throw. And obviously the runs on that drive were fantastic as well. He's done that all season long. Hit D.J. moore over the middle. It, it was, it was a fantastic drive. And then clearly the game winning throw is just. Only so many guys have that in the bag. And I, I, I think to Malik Willis and we'll get into that in a second. Arm strength in these cold weather cities really, really matter. They really matters. And you saw it tonight on full display. And Jordan Love before he got hurt, same thing. You have to have a strong arm to function in the passing game. In places like Chicago where the wind is gusting up to 30, 35 miles an hour on top of it being 28, 30 degrees. I played golf this morning it was 74 degrees. I can't relate to that. I despise the cold, so I respect it. But I've lived in Philly. We played. I remember when we went to Chicago at the time, they had terrible field back in the day. Their field feels a little more buttoned up now, but like his ability physically translates to that city. And clearly, you know, success creates confidence and builds on it. And obviously last year was just a complete disaster for everyone involved. And this year started getting a little weird early on. And what they have done simply, I mean, a large part. You know, the head coach has been brilliant the majority of the year. Tonight I thought it was the quarterback making place, pulling out of his. You know what? Because the defensive coordinator on the other team is a guy that's going to be a head coach probably in like a month and was doing a. I mean that, that was unreal by him and lafleur most of the game just running the ball, slowing down, controlling the clock, ugling up. That that was a classic Kyle Shanahan game, right? Like we got some injuries and then our backup quarterback comes in. The only way we can win, ugly this thing up. Now, we might take a shot or two, but we are not going to get into like, you know, a big, you know what swing contest with you because you have your starting quarterback in. You got DJ Moore and Cole Comet and Loveland, a bunch of guys, our guys are dropping like flies and we got to ugly this thing up. And it wasn't until the end where it kind of got more in the Bears favor. And once they got that, is there a crazier play in sports than the onside kick? I was thinking like a walk off home run. I've seen a million of those, right? Game winning shot, like I've seen maybe like a game winning shot from full court. Because it is so unexpected when an onside kick happens. I think it's crazy when it even takes a crazy bounce and the, the team that's kicking the ball even has a chance to get it. Because I feel like the majority of onside kicks, if we just took 50, the last 50 onside kicks, 80% of them aren't even close either. Don't bounce crazy. Don't bounce high, go right to a guy, go fire out of bounds like it's never even a Play. Then maybe 10% or 15% of the remaining take a really good bounce, but the guy just catches and hit the ground. And then the tiny, tiny percent. I know they said 8% of the time it works Panay Sewell's brother 44 was a step away. And Dobbs looks up as the ball's taken a weird bounce because listen, that, that guy's not paid to cover, he's paid to hit. And Noah Se was about to rock his world and he felt it and he flinched. And that's the only way an onside kick happens. Either the guy just bungles it because it takes a weird bounce, or he gets a little scared. And we can make fun of football all we want about being softer than ever and relative to what it was 30, 40 years ago, 100%. But that play, that there's not that much space between the guys, they're running full speed. You know, you're down on a knee it at least if you're a punt returner, like if you want to, you can make a business decision. You can fair catch it. You could just move out of the way like on an outside kick. If you're standing there on the hands team or you're on your knees trying to, you know, make a play like you're a second baseman there, there's no safety and, and they're putting guys on defense like Noah Se that are just paid to do one thing, rock people's world. And it happened. And that, that was, I would say, the, the craziest wow moment of the game. There were three of them, the two touchdown passes. But like, I don't think we're that shocked. Like, we've seen very talented quarterbacks make great plays. And Caleb, both those passes, especially the game winner, was, I mean, as gorgeous as you're ever going to see. But like, when he lets it rip, you're thinking like, this could be caught, right? Both passes. When the onside kick happens, you're like, let's just. The packers is going to win. And then, and then your jaw hits the floor. Now here's the other thing. When they got the ball back because they were getting crushed for running on the kicker, and Tom was like, you got to hurry up. You got to hurry up. I hear you. Most games, like if you're indoors or you know, It's. It's a 75 degree day in Chicago in late September. The wind is pumping, it's kind of intense. Like it's a pretty big moment for the kicker. If he misses, the game is 100% over. I understood like the urgency behind Tom saying to hurry up. But I also understood from the kicker's perspective of like, bro, I got to take my steps, right? We got to be careful here. I got to play 20, 30 mile an hour wins, I got to play this little hook. Like, it's not an easy shot. It's like the equivalent of golf if you're hitting a tee shot with wind and there's water. Like, I have no margin for error here, so was it ideal? No. But, like, I do think he had to take his time because no matter what, he had to hit the kick. And I also think that there would have been coaches in the NFL that when they got. Because it was 159, they had two timeouts. Now, the Bears defense, they're not known for their defense, right? They get takeaways, they create turnovers. I mean, they got one tonight against Josh Jacobs down by the red zone. They create another one on the onside kick off. I mean, they're just, they're blessed when it comes to the turnovers, but, like, they're not a great defense. You, you could have been like, hey, we're going to kick it off. We got two timeouts and hopefully we could tackle them somewhere between the 20 and the 30, get a stop, get the ball back with, let's say a buck ten, a buck fifteen, and let Caleb be Caleb. I don't think that would have been the craziest thing. Now, you could argue that, you know, they've been running the ball well. They do have their backup quarterback in, and while he did a valiant job and made some unreal plays, and the packers have a lot of credit for his improvement because it has truly been incredible that I think you could have done it. And once they got it, it was on like Donkey Kong because you give the Bears and Caleb the ball back at the 50 yard line with multiple timeouts, they were kind of on easy street. They had, they did not have to rush at all. He could take his time, have a couple scrambles, hit a couple out routes. But then anytime in that situation, it's like, especially if you make some positive plays. Once you get down toward. Once you get down toward like the red zone, because they were at like the 12 yard line on 1st and 10. He hits Loveland for 6 yards, little out route. He gets out of bounds, next pass is incomplete. So all of a sudden you look up, it's like it's third and four now. They still could have got a first down. It wasn't third and goal, but you're like, this is a little tricky spot because for the most of the drive, they just drove right down. He had DJ Moore over the middle. He scrambled for a play. And then once it gets Third and four, you go, God, I kind of get tight. So I started thinking like, or Caleb, Ben, like, guys, this is pretty big play. And I think clearly over the course of the season you would have felt pretty confident because you'd be like, oh, Caleb's just going to scramble around, make something happen. Worst case scenario, gets it with his, with his legs. But they'd been doing such a good job throughout the game that you weren't quite as confident. And clearly you looked at the line of scrimmage, it felt like there were seven or eight, you know, yellow jerseys. It's like, I think he's bringing the house. And on the third down play, he brought the house and Caleb airmails the ball. 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And obviously after in overtime when Malik Willis fumbles the ball, I thought going into overtime and I text this to our group chat that it was going to be stunning. I or I would have been stunned if the packers won the game. It felt like once he hit that pass the game was over. Now that wasn't necessarily the case, right? The packers had a six play 43 yard drive and he fumbled the ball at the Chicago 36. So it's like they had successful plays. They couldn't kick a field goal from that distance. It would have been 46, 50 plus yard field goal with the win. Pretty risky. I have no problem for them going for it now. The fumble was obviously just a complete kick in the you know what. And then Caleb four plays later throws the bomb to DJ Moore who, I mean just an absolute gorgeous ball. And you know it gets back to one thing. Why Caleb was anointed so early was the physical gifts. I mean the arm is just elite and Colin and I have been talking about this all year long. I mean part of the reason like I, I've always said I can live with interceptions. You want to throw 14 interceptions throughout a season, who cares? Do you throw me 40 touchdowns? The year Matt Stafford and the Rams won the Super bowl in 21, he, he threw 17 picks. He also threw 41 touchdowns. I. I can't live with 17 interceptions if you're throwing 25 touchdowns. Right. I can live with mistakes if you're giving me the big place. And then when you factor in Caleb has become one of the better scramblers. I don't consider him a true runner, but, like, watching the game before watching, like Mariota and Jalen, who are viewed as running quarterbacks. Jalen doesn't run as much as he did early in his career. I feel like Caleb's faster than both those guys. Like, Caleb speed. At one point tonight, I was like, I understand that it's never been a part of his offense since he became an offensive coordinator with Jared Goff. But I would have. I'd be careful because clearly, you know, he's your starting quarterback. Like, but he's pretty good at avoiding hits, like getting on the ground. I would have some designed runs for Caleb Williams beside just the passes where he creates something out of nothing. And I thought there were points in time throughout the game because they were doing with Malik Willis. I'm like, I think you could do this with Caleb and it would be effective because their run game, at one point Tonight, they had 26 carries for 150 yards, which is not bad. But it didn't feel like they were quite as dominant as they'd been. They had drives where they were very successful. But I thought there were moments where it's like, you could use Caleb's legs here. Like, he's pretty fast. You could have some, like, RPO zone read stuff where you kind of freeze people and just let him take off. And he ended up doing that, you know, kind of. Anyway, toward the end of the game, when he scrambled around, he was. I mean, it was a defining moment of the young man's career. I mean, it was. Tonight was really, really big and was really, really cool as a football fan. And listen, the Bears, they're having a season. I mean, there's. They're 11 and 4. Their next game is against the 49ers, who play on Monday Night Football on the road. Do you know the advantage? Obviously, this big, this win. I mean, the next two days, no one on the team will even be able to focus. Don't even blame them. I mean, you're. You're going to be riding high. But the team you play does not play tomorrow. They don't even play Monday day. They played Monday at night on the east coast in Indianapolis. What time are they going to get back to San Francisco? Now it's a road game. For the Bears. But can you imagine the advantage of basically they don't get 24 hour advantage, they get 48 plus hours advantage. And they were already going to have an advantage in the sense that like they have pretty dynamic offensive players. The 49ers are rolling out a lot of backups. It's going to be a tough matchup for the 49ers. Then you factor in the rest advantage. I think the Bears have a very, very good chance to win that game. And then potentially, I mean the lions could be KO'd out of the playoffs by week 18 and who knows by the seating. And you know, the packers play the Ravens next week, so there's no guarantee that they're even going to win that game. I mean this, this division could be wrapped up, you know, who knows by the time that they play the 49ers on Sunday night Football. But definitely if they were to win that game, I mean, I think there's a decent chance that this division's over. So congratulations to the Bears. Congratulations to Caleb Williams. Just remarkable improvement throughout the season. Truly has been. And he's a fun player to watch. He's tonight with the biggest moments. Made incredible fucking plays. The touchdown pass to end the game was just a thing of beauty. Great catch by DJ Moore at one point in time. Now he would, There were points in time late in that game where he clearly was gassed that you wonder like did he just break his collarbone or something because he was laying there and then clearly he got up and started celebrating. Everyone was having a good time, but that was. Listen, I, I don't pretend to be a Bears historian, but in recent memory, you know, post like the end of the Earlocker through Cutler kind of like 2010 run, this has to be one of their better wins of the last 15 years. And you could argue it's their best win, you know, for a team that they just could not beat. When it was 16, six and five minutes left, you went, listen, Chicago, you're still going to go to the playoffs. You're having a fantastic season. For whatever reason, this team just owns you. I don't even know how to describe it, but they just own you. And then, you know, they don't own them. It just, the ownership felt like it ended now, not for good. Like the packers are still well run franchise, they're not going anywhere. But for as great of a win as that was for Chicago. And that was a great win, a great win. That was a devastating loss. The Packers, I, I don't know how Anyone with the packers will be able to sleep for days. 1. The emotional toll they had coming into this game after losing Micah Parsons for the season had to just be weighing on everyone in the organization. Players, coaches, scouts, you name it. Then early in this game, your starting quarterback, who looked pretty solid and was probably gonna have a solid game, gets absolutely obliterated. Clear like, this guy ain't coming back in the game. Never see him again. Helmet gets taken away. They go to Malik Willis, who, when they traded a seventh round pick, I think at the end of training camp last year from Malik Willis, I would say they were universally mocked and made fun of because most people, I was probably guilty of this too. Just thought Malik Willis could not play in the NFL. The guy, the Malik Willis we watched tonight was like, good player. Malik Willis made multiple big throws. Obviously the touchdown pass, he made a great throw over the middle to Musgraves. He had a Jaden Reed on a play over the middle. Like, his numbers will not reflect how good Malik Willis was tonight. Especially when you factor in some of the games they were talking about tonight on the broadcast were games when Jordan Love was just out. So he was the starter Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. This guy. And even Brady, like, he ain't getting any reps during the week. He's like, they. And they ain't changing the game plan at least till halftime because you're just running with the game plan. As he's in. In the first half with Jordan, you don't. You don't have time. You're just calling the plays that were already in the game plan. He's clearly studied it with Jordan, but you're not adapting till halftime where you kind of got to scrap some stuff, really sit down and talk with them. Like, hey, what do we. Like, what are we going to do? What are some stuff we've done in previous games? Like, there's a lot going on. And he goes 9 of 11 for 120 yards, throws a touchdown. He also had 10 carries for 44 yards. I mean, he was awesome. So he comes in to spell love, who's KO'd out of the game, plays fantastic on the road. Windy, cold game, has you up 10 points and you lose. I don't know how you shake that. And I respect the shit out of the packers because that move is classic. Right? Right. That is a move that you go, this guy's undervalued. We like this guy coming out. We think he's a high character guy. We think physically he's really gifted. I mean, listen, Anthony Richardson, look at that guy. Because he was a guy, I think he came out of liberty, he could run, he had a big arm, had no clue where it was going. Played in the NFL was just a debacle for the Titans several years later. He's a real NFL player. Like I think like, could he be an NFL bridge quarterback at least? Like he's got some skills and they have coached this guy up. He's improved dramatically. He deserves a lot of credit. You know, the culture of this building, you just come to, this ain't Tennessee. You come to Green Bay. We uplift, everyone improves. We have one of the highest floors as a franchise in the NFL and we're beating the Bears. We're going to have complete ownage of them. Until we didn't. And now we're not winning the division. We, I mean we still got to battle our ass off to make the playoffs. You know, we'll see what happens with the Lions and the Pittsburgh Steeler game tomorrow. But we like what is going on? How did this happen? We're well run organization. We trade two first round picks. We pay a guy $200 million, he's got a torn ACL. I just don't know what you do. We're doing everything the right way and now we're 95 and 1 and I tonight ultimately didn't, you know, might indirectly end their season, but their season was lost. When they lost. If they missed the playoffs or a one and done team in the playoffs because they're the seventh seed, it didn't win the division because you lost the Browns. You tied the Cowboys. Like you can't, that can't happen. You had a 10 point lead against the Browns in the fourth quarter. You should not at that time be losing or tying the Cowboys. That cannot happen. And all of a sudden Instead of being 95 and 1, you have the same record as the Bears. Even if you lose this game in that fashion. But you set yourself up for this with that. And I tweeted this when Malik Willis came in and like made one play, I said if Matt LaFleur can win this game with Malik Willis on the road when he did not prepare to be the starter, you have to give him a contract extension tomorrow. And honestly I thought for the most part he did a good job. And what he's done with Malik Willis is pretty remarkable. And their defensive coordinator is freaking awesome. And they're still 95 and 1 and it felt like they had like four more injuries tonight. Now Emmanuel Wilson was, he was kind of an Older, I think small school guy was running his ass off tonight. And clearly Jacobs is banged up and they were just riding the hot hand. But I just, I don't know what you do. I mean, the Bears, I wrote it down. They had 10 penalties at one point in time. They ended with 10 penalties for 105 yards. Packers only had four. So you're winning a game by 10 points. They have 10 penalties. And I just, I don't know how you shake it. That is. It doesn't get any better if I'm a Bears fan. It's one of the best wins we've ever. I can ever remember. Right. I'm sure you had some back in your heyday, but that's as good as it gets, especially playing that franchise on Saturday night, leading into the week of Christmas. Everyone's at home, everyone's watching that game. Tom Brady's on the call. I, I bet 35 million people watched. Be my guess. Maybe I'm crazy. 30 million people, a ton of people watched. You still lose. I don't know how you shake that. I really don't. And I think the packers, like, are well run. I think they have a good coaching staff. They clearly have good players. I mean, hell, they got good backups and they still found a way to lose tonight. I, that, that one. I'm not saying this calls into question LaFleur's job, but it's kind of the way the NFL works. Fair or not, he was coming into the season coaching for a contract extension. I mean, that was, that was an established fact by the new president. And now he's 9, 5 and 1. There's a chance they go to the playoffs is like the seven seed is 10, five and one, I guess. Would that be 16, maybe 10, six and one? If they split the last two games and they limp in and they get knocked out, it's like, what do you do? Do you just give them a reprieve because some weird shit happened because you had a bunch of injuries? Do you try to improve? Do you just go with Halfley? But then you still, like, clearly the floor is good at working with quarterbacks, which is an extremely valuable skill. I don't know. I don't know the answer. I personally think he's good. But you know, you watch tonight, like, I don't think there's that much of a difference. You know, Ben's. Obviously, this is first year coaching. I would say if you did a draft from scratch, I, I would imagine fair or not. I mean, LaFleur's resume is much longer. And we live in a little bit of a society that what have you done for me lately? But I do think if you just pulled GMs, who would you take? Ben Johnson or Matt LaFleur? I think most people would take Matt LaFleur or, excuse me, Ben Johnson. Right. And those are type questions that in Green Bay internally they will ask again. I'm not pinning this game on him by any means, but it was a big picture question coming into the season. And this is a results based business. You know, Brandon Staley used to talk about this and bad coaches always talk about like, well, I think our process is right, our process. You're not judged on your process. Nick Saban writes books about his process because he won six titles. Jeff Bezos writes books about the process because he runs the biggest company in the world. I mean no one cares about the process of the Cleveland Browns and Paul D. Podesta. Right? No one cares about the Colorado Rockies who lose 120 games a year about their process. Even if it's right, no one gives a shit. So I want to hear about Ben Johnson's process. What has he done? What's Caleb Williams process? Why? Because they're getting results. That's the way the world works. Always has, always will. So I just think the packers thing is going to get, it could get weird. And the Bears are just, I don't know, man, they're, they're living well. Congrats to Caleb Williams for just definitely his most, you know, iconic moment, as you know, in his young career so far in the NFL to do that on Saturday Night Football. Walk off bomb. You know, we don't see, like I said, on site kick is probably the least likely thing we see. It's pretty rare. You know, football's not quite like basketball usually don't have like walk off touchdowns. It's more walk off field goals. But in overtime, every once in a while you get walk off touchdowns. It's pretty rare. You just get the walk off. Sometimes you get like a walk off blown coverage and a guy walks in or a big run. It's pretty rare. You just get like a walk in. Absolute bomb catch for a touchdown. That's contested, right? The DB was right there. It wasn't like, you know, DJs wide open. He's got to hit him like the guy was all over. And how long Was that catch? 46 yards. DJ Moore was good tonight. Five catches for 97 yards in the touchdown. Menungi is a beast. What a game. What a game. A couple Quick things before we get out of here. I don't have much to say on the Eagles game. They ended up blowing them out in the second half. I mean, Washington's unwatchable. They really are. They are. They're really, really bad. I mean, Josh Johnson came in. I. I just had to go to his Wikipedia again. He has played on so many freaking teams. He's played like seven different leagues, too. XFL, UFL, NFL. I mean, the guy. The guy came into the NFL in 2008 for Tampa Bay. I'm pretty sure I didn't count it up. Maybe I'll do a segment this week. I think he's played for, like, 15 teams in the league. It's pretty insane. He's 39 years old. He just keeps. You just look up, a guy gets injured, he's in the game. But you know, Philly, I think they won the division tonight, right? Their games are going to always look the same, like their game. If they're going to win playoff games, it's going to be ugly. Like, they're not going to win games and look great. That's not the way they've played all season long. Their offense is just really, really weird. I mean, tonight it got going in the second half. Saquon kind of started going off, but they're playing the worst defense in the league. Like, whoever they play in the playoffs in the first round, they're going to host a game, right? The 49ers, Seattle, Green Bay. It's going to be a weird game, and I would imagine if they win multiple play, they're all going to be weird. So defensively they're good. Offensively, they have a ton of pieces. They can have drives where it just looks horrendous, right? And Jalen is just a bizarre player, but then he can just go on stretches where it's like, devonte, aj, Saquon Goddard. You're like, that was sweet. That's the bizarre part. It's like, we understand, you know, Malik Willis has to play, right? Or it's super cold and windy. It's understandable that the game, you know, is 16 to 13 or 16 to 9. Like, yeah, that's the way games are in freezing cold. But whenever you watch the Eagles, you're like, you got A.J. brown, Devontae Smith, Saquon Barkley, and Dallas Goddard, and you can't get first downs for. For, you know, quarters at a time against this defense. How's this possible? You have seven points going to halftime. What's going on now? Part of it and here's the kicker. Here's the one concern for the Philadelphia Eagles. When your margin is really small, which clearly it is because of their offense, your kicker is kind of important, right? Your defense is good and it's going to be good, especially if it's pretty healthy coming in. We'll have to keep an eye on Jalen Carter, but like Jake Elliott, missing a bunch of kicks is a problem and that's going to throw off Sirianni in their analytical department because they will punt on having him kick if he missed a couple of kicks down the stretch. You know, I'm talking about down the stretch of these next couple games leading in to, to the playoffs. Like, they're just going to run him out now that these games don't necessarily matter into high pressure point situations. And if he can't kick like, I. The other thing is, like, they won't be afraid to like, make a move, you know, if he is untrustworthy and they go, we're going to be in a game that's going to be like 17 to 15. And it's the difference of him missing an extra point in a field goal from 40 yards, us going to the next round or not. We're. We could live and die with Jalen playing shitty, right? Or Mitchell or, you know, some of our guys on defense, Cooper DeJean. If we get beat with them playing shitty like, okay, so be it. But we are not going down because of our kicker. I promise you, Howie Roseman will not go down. Jeffrey Lurie with their kicker, if the offense, because, you know, they got some offensive line injuries and Jalen plays shitty, there's nothing you can do about that. But there is with a kicker. There's a million kickers on the street who can, who can make field goals. We see it all the time. So I think the Jake Elliott thing these last 14 days, something to keep an eye on. Now it's hard to make a kicker switch, right? Especially a guy that's been a kicker for a long time. But I think that's a pretty big problem right now for them.
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And last but not least, listen, the college football thing we saw coming from a mile away. You know, the Alabama Oklahoma game was pretty crazy last night, but John Mater, ever since he broke his hand, just hasn't been very good, you know, and he's just a complete roller coaster ride and the more he throws, the worse he gets. And Caitlin DeBoer. Bruce Feldman put this out last night, 71 against top 10 opponents. Like he's a big game coach. He's pretty good. Everyone acted like he's the village idiot because he lost to Georgia. Oh yeah, he beat them the previous two times he played him. He's a Good coach. Is it a little bit of a weird fit in Alabama? Yes. Is Kaylin DeBoer good at coaching football? Like Kirk Signetti said? Google him. He wins a lot. He's going to be fine. He would win anywhere he went now. He's going to do it a little differently. But that was a fantastic win. And Mater, I mean, you talk about a guy through the first couple of weeks looked like he was going to win the Heisman to breaks his hand. Now he goes, he going to come back and be their quarterback next year. But listen, fantastic win by Alabama. I watched the second half of Miami, Texas A and M. That's just. That's a terrible product. That's. No one wants to watch a game that looks like that. No one does. That was awful. But bunch of NFL defensive and offensive lineman, physical game. Quarterback's not great is what it is. The other two games are an embarrassment. And I know a lot of people are going to talk about this. Not in a million years, because the Fresno Grizzlies or the Sacramento Rivercats have a fantastic season in aaa. Do they get to play the Phillies or the Dodgers in the playoffs? What are we doing? It's clearly about money. It's clearly about litigation. Let's figure a way out. Get with your TV partners, create them a playoff. Never again do we want to watch. And I know Klatt. I think he took a lot of shit because he took a shot at the March Madness, which I'm in agreement. Marsh Madness is incredible, but football is not Marsh Madness. No one wants to watch the little guy ever. And when we kind of did, maybe 20 years ago, Boise State, with Kellen Moore, played on a team that 11 guys got drafted. If it was 20, 25, probably nine of those guys would have been bought by Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, Oregon, Oklahoma. They wouldn't have been on the team, including Kellen. Potentially, those teams won't exist ever again. Hell, it's difficult for teams like Arizona State, who just paid their coach seven and a half million dollars, Kenny Dillingham to stay. In his first press conference after signing the contract, he gets on a microphone and begs for $20 million. Says, Is there a rich guy in Scottsdale or Phoenix that can write me a 20 million dollar check? Historically, when you bake for 20 million dollars, that was a huge donation to the program. It would last a long time. He's talking about his roster in 2026. That pays for one roster.
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And you still wouldn't even have the highest paid roster in your own conference. The Big 12 because Texas Tech has a billionaire funding them. There is no room for the little guy in college football. This is not basketball. They are not apples to apples in college basketball. It's very possible because a random guy from a random school can hit a bunch of threes, they can press you full court. They can just do different shit. College football is not that way. You saw some of those defensive linemen for Miami. There is no one at jmu. There was no one at Tulane. There was no one at Boise State. There is no one at any of those schools right now that was going to be block those guys ever. And for the most part, even when the little of the engine could got their shot, they didn't pull Boise pull the upset against Oklahoma. I remember this vividly when Hawaii played Georgia in a bowl game years ago with Colt Brennan and the right tackle for Hawaii, or could have been the left tackle, got beat on every single play and Colt got killed. He got destroyed in Hawaii. Had absolutely no business being on the field against them. It was honestly pretty embarrassing. And more often than not, that's what you get. So we had blowouts and I guess JMU ended up covering. But this has to end. It has to end. There has to be divisions. There's a reason Montana played Montana State because They're both in D1, double A. They both are on the same level. Tulane should be playing JMU in their own version of the playoffs. That's only fair. Notre Dame, Texas, Vanderbilt, whoever should have been in those two spots, we all knew it. So there's no reason to complain about it because we all knew at the moment the rules forced us to watch that. I don't blame Oregon or Ole Miss. I mean, they just play who they get. The selection committee forces them to play. But if you gave Dan Landing true serum, you're like, yeah, this is a joke. What are we talking about here? So we just hopefully this year, like the key is going to be getting the TV partners involved and funneling them some money. Because I'm pretty sure that JMU and tulane each got $8 million. Now I think they have to split some of that with their conference. Maybe they get two shares and the rest of the conference teams or programs get one each. But like, it just. It just has to stop. But again, congratulations to Caleb Williams. What a freaking night.
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