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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Chiefs Trade for Justin Fields, RB Draft Strategy & NFL Mailbag
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So check out the Shoreline del mar on reef.com and redeem 15% off your first purchase the volume. What is going on my people? How are we doing? John Middelopoff 3Now podcast back at it again. Talking a little football. We did the Players Championship reaction yesterday to Cam Young who I gave out last week to gamble on. No big deal. Nailed that one. But today we're going to talk some football. The Kansas City Chiefs traded for Justin Fields we'll dive into that. The Titans and Jeremiah Loves now the betting favorite to be the Titans pick at number four, J.J. mcCarthy. Conversation just won't die. Some moves A.J. brown still on the Eagles. Look like it might stay that way for a while. Christian Kirk signs with the Niners. Rick Patino's just kicking everyone's ass at 73 years old. We'll do a little mailbag at John Middle. Cough at John Middlekop. Is the Instagram fire in those dms. Get your questions answered on the show. And yeah, we'll just keep cranking along so you guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three and out. If you want to watch us, we're up on this on Netflix so you can hit alerts and you'll you'll never miss an episode yesterday. The Go low now has if you want you missed the golf stuff. It has its own YouTube channel so you can watch it there. And yeah, let's just talk some football. The Chiefs have traded I think a six rounder in 2027 for Justin Fields. And I, I, I think this is correlated with even the tua, the Kyler Murray. One thing that happens in free agency, right a week ago today, I'm recording this on Monday, Monday afternoon is all the guys that signed the big contracts you're paying premiums for, right? Jalen Phillips to Carolina, Linder Bomb to the Raiders, whoever. These guys are getting paid a tax. You know, the team is paying a tax to acquire those guys because you have multiple people bidding for their services. And I think teams, you know, Belichick made a living off this is he always waited for the second and third waves because he thought you could find deals. And there's an old adage that fortunes are made in downturns and collected when times are good, right. I, I, I've always lived by you make when you sell something, the profit you make was not on the price you sold it for, but what you bought it for. If you sell a stock for a hundred dollars, big difference if you bought the thing for 90 or if you bought it for 7, right? So your purchase price on an asset, on a home, on a player. Howie Roseman felt a lot better about Zach Bond when he paid $4 million for him. Then the guy became an all probably or when he paid for Saquon Barkley and gave him way less than half as much as Brandon Ayuk and the guy ran for 2,000 yards. So part of acquiring quarterbacks and this goes back to Bill Walsh Ron Wolf, hall of Fame level guys that believe that every year you should be in the business of acquiring these guys. Look at the packers with Malik Willis. They got him for nothing a couple years ago. I thought it was crazy, but that organizational philosophy looks at distressed asset with the quarterback position and guys with traits who are high character and go there's something there to work with and they got it right. And because of acquiring Malik Willis they won countless games over the last two years and obviously he parlayed it into a payday. And there are current rumors that the who's interested in Anthony Richardson? The Green Bay Packers. Well, where did Andy Reid get his NFL start? The Green Bay packers who was running the Packers. Then Mike Holmgren who had learned from Bill Walsh and Ron Wolf who had learned from Al Davis. Quarterbacks, quarterbacks and more quarterbacks. I also think that last year they had gone into the season with Gardner Minshew. Who? Awesome story. Fun guy. Not sure. He's a good player and he's not a guy that has the traits. He's kind of the opposite of the Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen crew and by the time they were forced to play him he had no chance. Obviously he got injured, but just turns out he's not that good. And I think they look at Justin Fields and go he's never played for an offensive coach. Think about that. Never played for an offensive coach. Now I'm not acting like Justin Fields is that good. I think they'd be the first to tell you, listen, he hasn't been that good. But is there something there to work with? Yes, there is. And do we plan on trying to work with that? Yes, we do. And here's the other thing. Because Patrick Mahomes is injured, he's going to get all the reps in OTAs. He's going to potentially get a ton of reps in training camp. Now we'll see. By then, according to reports and talking to people, he was well ahead of schedule. But there's a big difference. Being well ahead of schedule and being able to practice and who knows, maybe they have an opportunity to play him week one because Patrick Mahomes isn't ready. But the Andy Reid I know is a guy that likes traits. When I was there we had Michael Vick and not saying that he hasn't. I mean he thought we had gone into that season with Kevin Cobb and a couple years later he traded for Alex Smith. He is a pretty open minded when it comes to quarterbacks, but at his core Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb, Patrick Mahomes, Brett Favre, it's kind of what he's looking for, some big time talent. Now Justin Fields has mainly not been good. He's been a running back playing quarterback and last year was an abomination. But I think it's easy to chalk it up to, yeah, everyone with the jets is a disaster. And a couple years ago I don't know where you stood, but I thought that they should have kept going with Justin Fields instead of going to Russell Wilson. And a lot of reports went that came out since or after that year ended was like Mike Tomlin pushed for Russell Wilson, Arthur Smith was cool with going with Justin Fields. And the thing with Andy Reid is why can't he scheme around his deficiencies and some of his deficiencies, maybe he could just incrementally improve them over the course of six months. And if you're Justin Fields, you should thank your lucky stars that a guy like this is the one believing in you and taking a chance on you. Because you've been around a lot of Aaron Glenn's and Matt Eberfluous's and now you get to go from, it's like Andy Dufresne. I was, you know, I don't watch regular TV anymore because I have, you know, I stream basically everything and you don't, you don't get a remote and just kind of toggle through like oh, Shawshank is on. So when I was at the hotel in Los Angeles, it's kind of a throwback. You pull the guide and you start going through channels and all of a sudden it's like 7:45 on Thursday night. I was going to go to bed early and I'm laying in bed and I go, oh, Shawshank's on. So I watched the last like 45 minutes of it and that scene when he comes out of the, you know, the sewer tunnel is just an all timer, right? And I think a lot of quarterbacks ask Sam Darnold, ask Baker Mayfield, and now Justin Fields. And I'm not saying he's going to even come close to the success that those guys had. But I, I just think they looked at this thing as value can get this guy for nothing. He's got some big time traits. We get to work with him all off season and maybe there's something there and that's a huge part of the off season. Like not everyone has the ability to give, because of financial constraints, $120 million to Jaylen Phillips, which I, I think is one of the crazier contracts. Again, league history based on his previous production. Now, maybe he becomes a much more impactful player, but I thought that was pretty bold, right? So sometimes you got a bargain shop. Like, here's my thing with Kyler Murray and count me as someone that's not buying it working. Now, I don't think they're going to win two or three games, but, like, I'll be shocked if, like Sam Darnold, they're just winning 12 to 14 games. My guess is eight to nine. But would they have signed Kyler Murray if his contract in Arizona didn't dictate his future? Because he could sign for the league minimum and still make $35 million? If he was just making zero in his market, whatever was, whatever team was willing to pay, like, would they have given him 10 or 15 million dollars? I don't know, but call me dubious that they just would have thrown a lot of money. Part of the reason that they were really interested in he cost them nothing. Same thing with tua. Like, would the Falcons have signed him if he cost $15 million? Of course not. They got the guy for free. So part of the conversation with these quarterbacks is it costs nothing to acquire you, right? One of the stories I just read before I hit record is the 49ers. I mean, it was kind of like their one at times last year, Juwan Jennings. They're a reason he's still on the market because he's a good player, he's a winning player, but he wants $20 million a year. And in fairness to him, he had a front row seat. Like, I've been around Brandon Iuk, I saw that guy get $30 million and just quit on the team. So he's probably got a jaded view of what he's actually worth. But as you can tell, no one's paying him $20 million a year. It's like, Juan, you're probably worth about 10, right? Which is still, you know, a great deal for most of society. But in his world, he's going, look at some of these guys making 30, 35 million dollars. I can't make close to 20. And the answer is the market is telling him he can't. If Juwan Jennings cost you two or $3 million, he would have 10 teams trying to sign him immediately. So part of your market value is, what are you asking for? What are you willing to sign for? That was the thing. It's like, why is Trey Hendrickson still out there for a couple days? Well, he thought he was worth 30, 35 million dollars. And it's part of the reason that Baltimore, which I don't know where you stand, but I'm a believer they got cold feet because they saw they had a different direction they could go in. We can get Trey for what we view as relatively cheap of what we thought he was going to cost and get our picks back. So we'd rather have Hendrickson for that amount of money and the 14th pick than pay Max Crosby and tell everyone that we think his knee is going to blow up in a year. Now they might have thought that, but if Trey had not been around, do they pull out? Who knows? Probably not. So I, I think a huge part of acquiring quarterbacks, especially backup quarterbacks or guys that are going to compete for the job is how much you have to pay to get them. And we've seen guys, you know, Sam Darnold a couple years ago with Minnesota got $10 million. Daniel Jones last year with the Indianapolis Colts I think got $14 million. The Falcons were not going to give $10 million to Tua if that's what it would have cost. I'm not sure Minnesota was going to give 10 to 15 million dollars to Kyler Murray if that would was what it would have cost. The Chiefs got this guy for free. The bonus money and everything's already been paid by the Jets. We got to give up a six round pick next year, which is essentially viewed this year time value money as like a seventh round pick. We're giving up nothing and our quarterback is injured and we saw last year guys that don't have that much ability, like we're guaranteed to lose. So I totally, I understand all these moves. And the difference is the Chiefs, ideally Justin Fields won't even have to start. We just rehab his value and for him maybe in a year like the, the positive momentum behind him is different than what it is right now where we all just go, this guy can't play dead in the western. And potentially that changes because it has with other guys. People thought Sam Darnold was like the worst quarterback they'd ever seen. A couple years later he wins Super bowl, has 100 million dollar contract, viewed as just a solid, very good player in the NFL. That's how fast it changes. And that's the thing with pro sports. It's a very fluid business, right? It's, you know, Collins really good with this. Like my opinion changes as it should. Like I never understood like okay, Skip LeBron can't win in the clutch. You had some, some validity behind that 20 years ago and then things changed. So it's like, if you're not going to change, we're all watching. You can't tell me the, the sky is yellow when it's blue, right? So a big part of free agency and acquiring these guys is they come for nothing, right? They come very, very cheap. And to me, that's been a big theme of this year. And I think you've seen teams, I mean, the 49ers won a bunch of games. I, I thought, like, you guys are trying to. Mac Jones, they gave him two years, like $7 million total, and they started winning football games. And they were a playoff team in huge, like a huge part of that was because they had him and his ability to run the offense and play quarterback, that if they had some scrub at backup, they probably would have lost a bunch of those games. And all of a sudden, instead of being a 12 win team, they win eight or nine wins and they're not in the playoffs because their starting quarterback was hurt for like a month and a half, two months. That's how fast it changes. So I, I'm as guilty as anyone when I see some of these, like, that guy can't play, that guy can't play, Then all of a sudden he can. I think some guys with a pedigree, some guys with physical attributes, the good offensive coaches, feel they can change as they should. That's why andy Reid makes $20 million. That's why Kyle Shanahan makes $18 million. That's why Sean McVeigh makes a bunch of money, because Kevin O', Connell, they get their hands on a guy. I'm better at working with this than you are. That is my, like, superpower, that, that's what I bring to the table that other guys do not. And it's going to be fascinating to watch it play out. But Justin Fields is going to get some opportunities because Patrick is injured. You know, speaking of changing your opinion, I, I would have said 10 years ago two things I was very adamant about. I would never draft a running back or interior offensive lineman high in a draft, because historically you could find really good running backs, guards and centers in the third, fourth, fifth round. Right. I do think things change. And part of a draft is, well, where it's a marketplace being given to you by college. So you don't determine what's in that draft on a yearly basis. Right. It's why some drafts are better than others. But one thing that has become pretty clear in the NFL is the resurgence of running backs. Remember a couple years ago they all got in a zoom call and we're all off. They weren't making very much money relative to some other positions. Couple years, I thought they were crazy at the time. Couple years later, they got some, you know, like their argument has a little bit more substance behind it. Let's say, would you rather have Bijan Robinson or like a ton of these wide receivers making 20, $25 million? I, I think we all know the answer. We'd rather have Bijan Robinson. But here's the thing with the running back. When you get a blue chip guy. Two years ago, why did the Eagles win the Super Bowl? Well, they had a fantastic defense and their running back and running game was unstoppable as how he said Saquon had one of the greatest seasons in the history of the league. Where was he drafted? Number two. Now with the Giants, it didn't work out because their team and organization was a disaster. But anyone with the brain went, this is a big time talent. Now, I didn't believe in the pick at number two because the organization wasn't close. They had a bunch of other needs. But the one thing David Gettleman said back then is like, I couldn't pass on a, on a Hall of Fame talent. And he wasn't wrong. It was a Hall of Fame talent. He just had a low level operation, no coaching, and it was a disaster. And Saquon got banged up a little bit. But there were a lot of variables that were out of Saquon's control. Listen, if I ever Talked to Christian McCaffrey the first thing or have him on this podcast, I would apologize to him because when he came out of college, I was like, you know, I'm not sure he can be a bell cow in the league. I think eventually he's going to morph in more to like an elite slot receiver, hybrid running back. And I was wrong. Christian McCaffrey is a fantastic elite between the tackles runner, especially in the prime of his career. And the guy banging the drum back to his draft class was his head coach, David Shaw, who had worked in the NFL, who had obviously been around a bunch of NFL players with Jim Harbaugh and the head coach of Stanford, and was like, this guy's a total package. And remember he was drafted eighth. And I was like, God, that seems pretty bold. And looking back, like, probably could have gone higher because Christian McCaffrey three years ago, like Saquon was the best offensive player on a Super bowl team. Now the Niners didn't win it, but a big reason they were there was because of Christian McCaffrey. He was an elite player and arguably non quarterback. The best player in the league the year the 49ers made the super bowl with Purdy playing quarterback. So I, I think I've changed my tune a little bit because the way the league has gone is now obviously if you needed a quarterback or there was like a can't miss defensive lineman prospect, totally take that guy over the running back. But I think we all agree, and especially people in the league that Jeremiah Love is arguably the best player in this draft. He is the total package. A lot of parallels to Bijan Robinson. I think parallels to Christian McCaffrey. I know people will say good prospects and Saquon Barkley. Saquon's not a great pass catcher. Not terrible, but I would say his hands are pretty hit or miss. To meet Jeremiah Love, you watch him in the combine. He, he is, he's got a chance to be an elite pass catcher. And there was a story out today. It's not even a story. The betting odds are that the Titans are favored to draft Jeremiah Love and to, you know, Fernando Mendoza, pass rushers two and three and Jeremiah Love going for like I see it and if they do it, I support it. They have a defensive head coach, they have Brian Dayball who's been around Saquon, who was around Nick Saban, who had a really good run game obviously when he was the offensive coordinator there. I think that would be the right move because I think in a draft, any draft class that has question marks or is not viewed as like the top 10 players are seven to nine of them feel like Pro bowl level guys. Like some years it's Panay Sewell, Jamar Chase, like Micah Bars is just loaded with talent. That's not the way this draft is viewed. So when you are in positions like that, I got no issue taking Jeremiah Love. And if you think about it, when I think the Tennessee Titans, two of their best players in my lifetime have been Eddie George and have been Derrick Henry. So they have been an organization that has been defined historically by running the ball and playing defense. And that's what I think Robert Sala wants to do. He's at a front row seat with Kyle Shanahan, two different iterations of it. And it's a physical style, run the ball, play defense. That always translates. And I, I think that would be fun to watch. And if you're Jeremiah Love, you, you can become Cam Ward's best friend immediately. And that's the other thing you have a young quarterback who, if you watched him play last year, I mean the team was a disaster. Does have a little bit of a hero syndrome. Does kind of think like I can be Caleb Williams 2025. It's like, bro, we got to calm down a little bit. It's not what you're going to do, especially in a division with, you know, the Jags and the Texans have fantastic defenses. 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more at applecard.com couple other stories Colin had said this a while back that the new timeline with a young quarterback is the second year Thanksgiving and I think part of listen society we've never gone faster, we've never had shorter attention spans because of social media and all the noise that there's never been more pressure on you know, specific industries on whether it's you know, the S P500 in the stock market, whether it's professional sports. There's just a lot more noise. Right. Crypto, you name it. And I, I think J.J. mcCarthy, like I'm not just going to act like he's going to be out of the league in a year but I, I, I think he fits into this mold of in modern day football that we're in the 2000s if you don't show it immediately and you're a high pick, you're in major trouble. They're not going to wait around for you. Now they could be proven wrong years down the line when that guy becomes a good player for someone else. But there becomes a negative like tsunami of the narrative which is true that this guy can't play and he's holding you back. And if the coaches can see it, if the owner can see it and the fans can see it, your lease just, it's hard for you to make it to year three. And now we have some recent examples of good talented teams. I mean Trey Lance got traded before week one, year three, Anthony Richardson was benched before week one year three J.J. mcCarthy is not going to be the starting quarterback. Week one, year three, Michael Penix, now he's injured but like would Michael panics just 100% beat out Tua in a training camp in Atlanta. They were both healthy. I don't think that would be guaranteed by any means. Right? I mean listen, we can be negative on two all we want. Like he's shown a lot more in the National Football League than Michael Pennix. So I, my point is the turnover with coaches, look at that. Now Tomlin technically said I'm out But there were 10 openings, 10 open. The 32 teams in the league, I mean you're talking almost third of the league fired their coaches and paid a lot of these guys to go home, get out of here, pay their staffs, see ya. We don't want to talk to you anymore. We will pay you all millions of dollars to not come into the office. I've said forever. That's the American dream. If someone ever wants to pay me 10, 20, 30, $50 million to do nothing, I would eventually get bored, feel I'm pretty ambitious individual, but I would soak it up for a minute I, I would enjoy myself. I, I really would. So the league showing you the amount of money that has come in, the social media influence, the timing that these coaches are on. Like, you're not getting the amount of coaches that will ever sniff, like 10 years in a place like it used to happen a lot more in the 80s and the 90s is over. Even some of these guys now, they get fired after year three or year four that probably used to would have gotten six is done. Because it's really easy for me to pay you to go away. Look how many guys get extensions and still get fired. Mike McDaniel just happened to. And I'm not saying that any of these owners are wrong for their decision, but a big reason that none of these guys hesitate to do this anymore is because paying someone 10, $20 million with the finances of the NFL is a rounding error. It's. It's change you would find in, in not in my couch, but in their couch. So that has directly influenced the quarterback. And unlike some of these guys, like, if you draft a guy eight at defensive line and by year three, it's clear, like, this is not an impact player, you can still rotate him in and out, right? You can still take a wide receiver in the top 15 and have him not become a star, but still utilize him, right? He can still play. He could still return. He could still play on special teams. It's not ideal. Like, you would obviously rather have the pick back and have picked someone else, but all these other positions you can play at quarterback, like, you're either in the game or you're not. And you get exposed when you're in the game if you're not ready like J.J. mcCarthy. Now, I, like I said, I do not think his career is just over. But his career in Minnesota isn't just in major jeopardy when Kyler Murray is eventually named the starter. That's the beginning of the end. This is not 1987 where Bill Walsh went back and forth with Steve Young and Joe Montana. Anyone that watched the the documentary on AMC one year, he was just pissed off. He's like, yeah, we got a quarterback controversy. The media didn't say that. Bill Walsh said that. Yeah, we got a quarterback controversy. He was just like, he was just trying to start some fires. Those days are done. These coaches now do the polar opposite of like, really, really tread lightly around that topic. But we all know, and I said it two years ago when Sam Darnold was signed to the 49ers. Trey Lance is done. He's never beating Out Sam Darnold and he was on the Cowboys before the start of the year. Last year Daniel Jones signed for $14 million. Anthony Richardson's done as a starter. There he was done. Kyler Murray little different because he didn't cost him any money. But I think at the end of next last year they were done with J.J. mcCarthy because he's just not good enough. Too big of a project and they simply don't have time because that's not the way it works. The AJ Brown situation. Pretty interesting that Florio reported the Rams were interested and they had explored trading Devonte Adams, which Devonte is going to make $24 million this year, which obviously is a lot of money, not like premium premium, but still not nothing. Battled some hamstring issues last year, only had 60 catches but he did have 14 touchdowns. So if your catch number is not going to be as high as it once was, but you're bringing me 14 touchdowns, like I can kind of live with it now would I rather have Devonte Adams? Thank you A.J. brown. I do think in a short lived like Matt Stafford all in on next year like his rapport with devonte is pretty special. So why would you throw that off? Especially AJ makes more than him. I do think devonte would have had a market but by all accounts the Rams are out and it's basically only the Patriots. And because of like some of the financial situation with his contract that AJ potentially might not get traded till the summer or training camp because of the implications that it has on the Eagles break books. Like I said, in a perfect world I, I think they would gladly keep A.J. brown. But this is a situation where financially there are some ramifications of keeping them kind of move on now and like let's face it, you can't trade the quarterback so you're going to trade the wide receiver. But I also think if you don't have a big market for him, how he does not just want to give this guy away, but there aren't a bunch of teams bidding so I, I think it puts them in kind of a precarious situation. And typically I don't want to say how he always has the leverage in trades because that's not true. But this one, it has to really bother him because he clearly is on the disadvantaged side when it comes to having a really good player that a lot of teams are just kind of, I, I don't know, not being super aggressive on. Even the Patriots, like yeah, we want them but we're not gonna, we're not Giving you a first round pick. And I, I think it's a tough spot for Howie and the Eagles, who are, let's face it, used to winning a lot of these transactions. The Eagles did bring back Dallas Goddard, I think like 1 year, 7 million. I didn't see all the guaranteed deals, but again, they're trying to mix and match all this money stuff. And whenever you have a high priced team, it becomes a little complicated. And that's why back to the Jalen Carter situation, it's like, are they comfortable with giving him like a record setting deal? Like Micah Parsons got four year, $188 million. Like Jalen Carter is going to want like four years, $200 million, right? Four years, 180 million. Like the number is going to be huge. With a ton, maybe not $200 million, that'd be $50 million a year. But let's say four years, $175 million and 150 million or $140 million guaranteed. Like you have to be extremely comfortable when you, when you invest in a player with everything you're getting and it starts with the person. And that's where I think that like it's much easier for them at a much lower number to give Jordan Davis $60 million guaranteed. And like the 49ers, like they got Mike Evans, who is a Hall of Fame level player, they gave him $16 million guaranteed. Like that was a pretty easy decision and he wanted to be there. Christian Kirk again, hasn't been that good lately. The last two years he has 55 catches, peaked in 22. I think he had 84 catches, 1100 yards and eight touchdowns. When he was young, he was a pretty interesting, talented player, especially like a role player at wide receiver. Now he's been banged up, not as productive. But this is back to what I said about the wide receiver or the quarterbacks. Like they're going, we're paying nothing for this guy. Like, could we catch lightning in a bottle and give us 45, 50 catches for four or five million dollars? Like that. That's, that's the math on this. Now most of the time that not what comes to fruition. But when it does, you become very profitable because you pay nothing and you get production back in return. I mean, the Patriots made a living off doing this for 20 years. They brought back Drake Greenlaw, who again comes very cheap because he gets cut. He's another guy that after the Achilles injury hasn't quite been the same physically. Is there something. You get him back with Fred, you get him Back in the building, is there something that can kind of reinvigorate his career? But the question with him is his health. And he's a guy who really excels on explosion, you know, speed, just a violent athlete. And when you're dealing with quads and lower body injuries, you're just not the same type player. And that's why I think Denver, obviously there were him and Hu Funga I think had a hard time learning the defense in the sense it was way more complicated than what they were used to. The Hunga translated much better and he's, I mean he's been a really good player. For him Greenlaw, when it came to learning the defense and obviously injuries, they just punted. They had, I would say, buyer's remorse pretty immediately. There is some stories about people interested in trading for Brandon Auk. I don't see how another GM could trade for Brandon Ayuk. I mean everything that has gone on off the field, I'm not even talking about refusing to rehab or showing up to the 49ers like that. That happens. Players get signed or traded for all the time in situations like that. To me, there's been so much stuff on social media of him just not feeling like he's got a shit together as a human being. I could not give up a pick even if he came like you can cut him, then we bring him in and talk to him. But trading a pick for him to me feels like bad business. A couple other things before we get to the mailbag. I'm always fascinated, like, listen, think about football. Pete Carroll feels like a shot coach. Watching him last year is like, pete, what is going on? Like he went from a pitcher throwing like 98 miles an hour to last year. It felt like he's throwing 78. He's got a son screwing up the offensive line. It was a complete embarrassment. Now as time goes on, no one will remember his tenure with the Raiders. But it's not going to be one of his crowning achievements. It's going to be something he would like to erase from the record books. Look at Belichick. I mean Belichick's time post the Patriots and even those last couple years with the Patriots is like, this guy still have it. This guy. Are we sure the Bill and Pete shouldn't have just enjoyed their immense amount of wealth and go enjoy themselves somewhere, put their feet up, live by the beach, enjoy life. I, I, I'm always been uncomfortable with retirement. I hate that turn term. It kind of gives me the heebie Jeebies I can't imagine, just have nothing to do, no purpose. So I, I understand where they're coming from, but in their field is competitive as it is and the majority now of the talented coaches face it, are in their late 30s and their 40s or early 50s and just kicking your teeth in like why do you still want to do this? You are clearly you guys have made a living on telling players you don't have it anymore, yet they can't look in the mirror and see it themselves. They don't have it anymore yet. I'm watching rick patino who's 73 years old, who looks like he's in the prime of his career. I had to google it today. Since 2002, up until Rick got there. So for almost 25 years they made the NCAA tournament three times. They've won the Big east back to back years. He just took Dan Hurley, a guy that won back to back natties and kicked his teeth in the other day at St. John's it's not like you know, he took over Louisville, he took over Kentucky, he took over Duke, he took over North Carolina. Like this has not been some powerhouse since I was a little, little kid. And whatever Rick Patino still has, like he still got it. And some of these guys, and especially in a day and age of nil, you talk about adapting like that is really, really impressive. And I, I'm not in deep enough with college basketball. Like I don't quite understand. They just beat the out of Yukon. Clearly they're non conference but not, not be as good. They've had some bad losses. But when you go 18 and 2 in the conference, which I guess was down this year, as Hurley was saying, we're not going to get as many teams in the field. But to dominate like that at that age against some of these guys. I mean look at some of the best coaches right now. Dan Hurley, like in the prime of his career, John Shire, this young guy just kicking ass and taking names. Like a lot of that old guard coach K's retired, Jim Boeheim forced out, retired. Like they're kind of Izzo's still going pretty strong. But how many years does he have left? Like the guys of the, you know, the, the 80s, the 90s, the, the Bobby Knight crew. I mean these were guys that Rick Patino came in with or, or was competing against in the prime of his career. And to be 73 years old and have a team that just was down and out and to kick ass and take names, it's, it's a remarkable accomplishment. The other thing, watching the wbc, which I think has been awesome. Ohtani hit a leadoff home run. They lost, but we were playing the doctor. Dominican Republic on Sunday night, and their manager, Albert Pools, made $350 million. You went through their lineup, it's like $500 million player, $300 million player. Julio Rodriguez signed a $200 million contract when he was 21 years old. I bet a lot of people around him like, bro, you could make like $700 million, the amount of talent on that team. And they lost. Now, granted, their pitching is not quite as good as ours. Ours. Our bullpen was shoving, but it was awesome to watch. It's. It's not real baseball because the, the elite starting pitchers, if they're humming, are only going to pitch 60, 70 pitches. I mean, Skeens, the phenom from the Pirates, LSU kid, actually originally, right. Air Force, really fascinating story. I, I think went 70 pitches. So these guys are not gonna, this ain't gonna be Bruce Bochy, Tim Lincecom pitching 150, you know, pitches. You ain't going eight or nine innings. So it's, it's, it's kind of true baseball, but kind of not really. It is just really good tv. And watching us beat the Dominican, who they just got better players than us, feels like they have the best players. And with Otani and Yamamoto, like, they're not us now. We got Judge Harper. I know, I mean, his own GM said he's not elite anymore. So I, I've been glued. I hope we win it. But that game was legit. I mean, that, that, that was on the edge of your seat Sunday night. WBC was fantastic television. Can I tell you about my friends at Ethos? As someone that just had a child a couple months ago, you start thinking big picture. You start thinking, I hate to say it, worst case scenarios. 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Lavar Arrington
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Daniel Cormier
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John Middlekauff
Okay, let's, let's just bang out a couple mailbag questions. I got a lot of them, so couple. I was going to make them topics but I saw they were mailbag questions. So I'm like, you know what, let's just do them as a mailbag. We, we'll go with, with Jas J. The state of Washington just enacted an almost 10% income tax on residents making over a million dollars a year. John Schneider has already said it will impact recruiting free agents. NFL only counted after tax income toward the salary cap. NFL, could you imagine a time where the NFL only counted after tax income toward the salary cap? Essentially taking away the advantage of having your team in a state without income tax. Well, a couple things, I saw Florio reporting on this and I would agree. We act like every owner would want this. So some of these owners in these states now, Washington, historically, they don't have state income tax. So they're clearly losing their ass, obviously. I mean some of these taxes are such a fucking scam that it sounds like, I mean, I read the article that it's going to the governor's nerves desk. All signs are he's gonna, he's gonna approve it. Howard Schultz already bounced to Florida. He's like, I'm outta here. Agents were already hitting up John Schneider. Like, what is going on now? Granted, like some of the no state income tax teams, it's not like they've had some huge advantage. The Cowboys haven't won anything. Texas haven't won anything. Titans haven't won anything. The Dolphins stink and the Jags stunk forever. The Rams won the Super Bowl. The 49ers have been to a Super bowl, right? I mean, the Bears were in the second round of the playoffs this year. The Patriots were good for decades under Belichick and he calls it Taxachusett. So I think some of these players just see the gross number, they don't think about the net number. But the NFC west, if this goes through, would be a pretty tax heavy, you know, division of playing, right? If you're making 20, 30, $40 million, living in Seattle and you get dinged with the 10%, so you're essentially paying 10% income tax. You also play games in California, which is within a couple years probably be like 15, 16. You play the 49ers, you play the Rams and you get a little reprieve coming here to Arizona, which is 2% flat tax, but which is fantastic. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't, I don't think the league is worried. Like, that's a you problem, right? What your state income taxes are, what your taxes are. Like, you get benefits. If you play in Green Bay, your housing is way cheaper. Right. If you play in Jacksonville, your housing is way cheaper than if you play in New York City or if you play in, you know, if San Francisco, they are in the heart of Silicon Valley. So you have very, very inflated home price. Same thing with Southern California. And if you play in Houston, you could live in a fucking mansion for three or four million dollars. That same house in Los Angeles might be $17 million. On top of that, your property taxes and everything are dramatically more because you're paying 1.5% or 1.4% property tax on $15 million instead of whatever, even if Texas is higher on $3 million. So it all factors in. But I think one thing's pretty clear that doesn't really factor to most of these free agents. When they're offered, like, the biggest number gross, they typically take. Mike Evans just left Florida to come to the 49ers. So I'm sure it will have an impact, but I, I don't necessarily view the impact taking place. LeBron James actively went to Los Angeles. Steph Curry, Draymond Green Clay, in the perfect world, would have stayed there forever. Kevin Durant chose the Bay Area. Like, I, I think at the end of the day, a lot of the players, like, if you give me the best chance to win and you're paying me a lot of money, I, I get dinged on the taxes. Now, I'm not saying I would think like that, but I, I would say consistent theme. The, the agents always talk a big game. But here's the thing with the agents. They don't get taxed on net revenue. They get taxed on the. Or they don't get charged. Like, they don't get paid on. If you make $10 million, but you only take home five, they ding the 10. To my, to my knowledge, I've always thought that and I've always been told that. So, yeah, I mean, I, I just think John Schneider doesn't want it to go through. Shit, it'll impact him. If I was him, I wouldn't want it either. So now it, it doesn't come through till 2028. But they've also, like, had a pretty big advantage over the Rams and the Niners. They've had zero percent income tax forever, right? So it's probably been pretty lucrative to keeping some of their guys because like shit, it's no different being in Texas or Florida. The Chiefs are in a rebuild with their difficult division and listening to your podcast, it's clear you would take an edge rusher or an O lineman. However, four of the starters are solid and the best center in the league leading it. In one of your podcasts you said how how four good O linemen can make a good line. Showing that isn't a priority for the Chiefs. They also have Jalen Moore who played games last year. So do many people believe the Chiefs should take a right tackle with nine instead of a linebacker such as Sonny Styles to replace Chanel and athletic freak or Caleb Downs to improve the secondary? I said I guess my main take on the Chiefs is if all things are equal. Jalen Moore's a backup, he's a good swing tackle, right? Who can start in a pinch, who's got some talent. But if you have the opportunity to what you Believe is a 10 year starter at right tackle, that is there. You got to do it. Jalen Moore isn't a long term answer at left or right tackle, obviously Simmons at left tackle. But the Chiefs don't ever plan on drafting this high again. So if you can get one of the blue chip linemen or pass rushers, I think it's really hard to pass that up. Now if you have Caleb Downs ranked way higher than whoever is on the board at the time. You know, conventional wisdom by the good GMs is take the best player available. That's why Jeremiah Love's not going to fall very far right. Who do we think is the best player on the board? And if that's Caleb Downs, I think you have to think long and hard about it, right? If that's Sonny Styles, I think you have to think long and hard about it. But if all things are equal, right, Sonny Stiles is right there with the best right tackle. I, I think you got to take the right tackle because no one's ever complained about having enough good offensive linemen. They just haven't. So Andy Reid's a former offensive lineman at his core and they've, they've had a lot of success drafting good offensive linemen for this team over the years and I don't think that'll change if there is a guy worthy of that pick. We'll have to see how it shakes out. A lot of stuff's out of their control, right? I mean they'll have a decent idea, but there's no guarantee Caleb Downs will be there, right? There's no guarantee one of the top right tackles will be there. So maybe Sonny Styles is just the best player on the board and that's who they take. Love the show, love your takes, but feels like you and Colin are piling on JJ Vikings won nine games with a near 35.6 QBR basically bottom tier. Meanwhile Kyler Murray's career QBR is 56. That's 20 point jump will be better. Not to mention we're $40 million over the cap. Also, JJ's Runway has been wild. Won a national title, tore his meniscus, got married, had a baby all before his first NFL regular season start. JJ's path is infinitely harder, but writing him off completely feels premature. Kyler's 2026 option not necessarily the long term plan I got back to back JJ questions so I'll just answer. I'll just ask this one too with J.J. mcCarthy's situation looking disastrous. So a little bit different opinion. Do you think GMs and coaches will stop reaching on quarterbacks for being a quote winner and having a strong handshake when they look you in the eyes? Obviously being a little dramatic, but there's nothing to me in JJ's production or traits that scream first round. Even Bo Nicks had tangible athleticism that you we saw very fairly consistently. When I was with Coward on last Friday, he did a topic he led the show with about being a winner and how overrated being a winner is right in college. AJ McCarron, who's had a really impressive backup quarterback career was a big time winner in college for Alabama. Stetson Bennett was a winner at Georgia. Tim Tebow is one of the great winners we've ever seen. J.J. mcCarthy played on a team in college where basically Every starter all 22 were are players in the NFL and a large handful of those guys are starters in the NFL. His head coach wasn't just a college high end college head coach, he's one of the best head coaches in the NFL. The guy leading the defense on Michigan isn't just a head coach in college. He's viewed as the next Mike McDonald Jesse Minter. So he played on a team with a top five six NFL head coach with his defensive coordinator who immediately became one of the best defensive coordinators in the NFL when he came with Jim and and then immediately got a job in the NFL to replace Jim's brother John. That's Pretty abnormal when you look at some of these Saban teams. Those guys left to become coaches, they all just became college coaches. These guys said peace out to college, went to the NFL, made the playoffs, back to back years, and then Jesse got a job. So JJ's situation in college is kind of unlike any we've ever seen, at least in the Internet age. Like we've seen a lot of Urban and Sabin and Kirby. Their guys get jobs in college. These guys are NFL guys who kick ass and take names. JJ basically got to drive a Ferrari and you could argue he didn't have to drive, he had a driver, so he didn't have to do that much. Obviously the, the, the game against Penn State where they ran the ball like 30 straight times in the game. He had like a Jimmy Garoppolo level situation in college, but when you can do like any made some plays, Jimmy was doing that in the pros. So this notion that he could just become Jimmy Garoppolo seemed like a pretty big stretch. And the answer is so far, not even close. So I, I don't think it was about winner. I think they thought like this guy could be Jimmy Garoppolo, this guy could be Derek Carr. And it turns out like those guys had to do way more in college. Derek Carr was throwing like 50, 60 touchdowns in college. Jimmy Garoppolo played Division 1 Double A, but was a dominant player. JJ didn't do. And one stat Colin had was all the guys in his draft, the other five quarterbacks, they averaged 300 yards a game passing. JJ didn't even average 200. So yeah, he was a winner. Well, no, but you know who, like he played for the winner, Jim Harbaugh, he just happened to be his quarterback. Everyone that plays for Jim Harbach is a winner. Going back to the University of San Diego, Josh Johnson to Kaepernick, to Alex, to all the quarterbacks at Michigan and now Justin Herbert. Now some of those guys are better than others, but Jim Harbaugh is the winner. J.J. mcCarthy just happened to be the quarterback on a team that was loaded with NFL guys. So I hear you on the winter thing, it does matter. Like I'd like you to be winning in college, but like Josh Allen didn't sniff the national championship. Patrick Mahomes didn't sniff the national championship. Lamar Jackson wasn't going to win the national. What was his best season? Like 8 and 4, 9 and 3. Doesn't matter. That's not what translates. What translates is like on third and seven. Can you hit the out route. Well, Michigan wasn't in third and seven that often because they were getting first downs on, like, second down, running the ball down your throat and scoring on defense, dominating and not allowing any points. And then JJ goes to Minnesota. It's like, okay, it's 20, 24th quarter. Can you drive us 50 yards to get us in field goal range? And the answer is no. And the other thing is, Kevin o' Connell is the opposite of Jim Harbaugh. In a perfect world, Jim Harbaugh would play like the 85 Bears, would play like the 2011 49ers. Run the ball, play defense and win every game, like 15 to 10 and run every game, run for like 140 yards and just dominate the clock. Multiple sacks, just played physical ass. That's like he dreams. Kevin O' Connell dreams of, like, scoring 40 or 50 points. They're both quarterbacks. Jim Harbaugh was a quarterback, Kevin o' Connell was a quarterback. They philosophically look at football differently when it comes to offense. And Kevin O' Connell wants his quarterback, like Sam Donald throw 35 touchdowns or Kirk Cousins a couple of years ago, be explosive down the field. It's not really JJ's thing, clearly. It's why they pivoted to Kyler Murray. So, yeah, are we piling on? I didn't create this. They did. I'm just reacting to, like, it's a disaster. And they're telling you a disaster by bringing in Kyler Murray, who's going to win the job? Like, the job is over. J.J. mcCarthy is not going to be the starting quarterback now. Kyler could get hurt. JJ could play. But if I'm a betting man Right now, J.J. mcCarthy will not be on the team next year. This was the question about Super Bowls. So I. I just don't agree that a Super bowl or being a winner makes you infinitely more marketable. Sure, extreme outliers like Jordan Brady or Mahomes that have goat arguments being put on your sports. Mount Rushmore can lead to more opportunities. The vast majority of players, though, aren't suddenly going to experience a massive surge in opportunities just because they have a ring or more team success. It's more about charisma, brand friendliness, and how well you do on camera. Marino's a guy that famously never won a ring, and I see him on my TV all the time due to those factors. If I was going to push back against that example, Marino is widely and universally viewed as one of the greatest players in the history of the sport. Right. So if you're Dan Marino, or we just go around Dr. J like he's viewed like he's not the best player of all time, but he is one of the most important players in the history of the sport. You're going to have brand recognition forever. But if you win a Super bowl or a World Series or an NBA championship in that given town, you are going to have marketability, whether you have a huge personality or you're not that personable. That is my point. Now, obviously, you could have a big personality and not win and go on to be a marketable individual. Right. Tony Romo. How many playoff games Tony Romo win? Big personality, outspoken. Makes 20 million, $30 million a year calling football games. Right. Tom Brady got paid $37 million to call football games because he's Tom Brady, obviously. But Greg Olson, bigger personality, never won a Super bowl, is going to have a very lucrative and long career calling games. Personality matters, and it's never mattered more than now. And being authentic and being relatable, for sure. But if you win in a place, you're kind of taken care of in the sense of, like, you matter to that organization in that city and you're marketable in that area. I've seen in the Bay Area with the San Francisco Giants, it's going to be like that with the Golden State warriors forever. Like everyone that was part of their core group. You know, Klay Thompson isn't the biggest personality, right? But he's a made man in the Bay Area till the day he dies. And I, like you said, they're extreme outliers. Jordan, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Serena. Right, Federer. But I think there are a lot of guys in that next tier that once you become a champion, it changes the course of your career and it changes the way you're viewed and especially if you're in a bigger market. Right. If the New York Knicks win the NBA championship next year, their best player, Jalen Brunson, who's going to be so rich it won't even matter whether they win it or not. But there are other role players that would just be like, when I think about the New York Knicks when I was a kid, they never even won it. And John Starks and some of the core guys that still feel synonymous with that team and sometimes you see at the games. So I. I think it's no different if you win a championship in some of these markets. You're just. You matter there for a long time and there are different amounts of money. But using Dan Marino as example, like Damari, is one of the greatest players of all time Whether he wins a championship or not. If you're one of the greatest players of all time, like you're going to be famous for a long time. Today's podcast is brought to you by Ferguson Home. Whether you're a homeowner creating your dream space or a pro managing multiple projects, Ferguson Home is where it all comes together. Ferguson Home is designed for the way you want to shop. 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Lavar Arrington
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- [66:25]
Daniel Cormier
more@applecard.com this is Daniel Cormier from the Daniel Cormier Show. This podcast is sponsored by Total Wireless, the official wireless partner of ufc. All UFC fighters know power doesn't wait in the octagon or outside of it. You either make the move or you miss the moment. That's why you need a network that's as powerful as you are. With Total Wireless, you get unlimited 5G data keeping you in on all the action, from the walkouts to the knockouts. You'll never miss a moment. That's coverage that you can count on for every single round. So when the moment happens, you're not catching up. You're already there. Now that that's a total power move. In the ufc, power isn't given, it's taken. So make your total power move today. Visit totalwireless.com or stop by your neighborhood. Total Wireless Store 5G access requires a 5G capable device in a 5G service area. Monthly rates on the Total Base 5G Unlimited plan for new subscribers applies only to the monthly rate for your plan. Additional terms apply. See website for details.
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John Middlekauff
Okay, we'll end on this question for the pod. I've heard you and Colin give your opinion on the Bears and I just don't see the same thing. Granted I'm a Packer fan, but hear me out. No DJ Moore, no Pro bowl center retired for an inferior player. True, true. Their entire secondary who turned over the ball at a historic rate last season are now on other teams. Mainly true Jalen Johnson's back but you know he was banged up last year, missed time. But I hear you they lost Edmondson linebacker and replaced him with Devin Bush like for like in my opinion done next to nothing to improve a non existent pass rush. I will say Kobe Bryant was a good addition but he's not making a mid defense who relied on turnovers that much better. Help me understand. You know he created 14 turnovers last two years so I would say he's a turnover guy. You I think hope Jalen Johnson gets back to 100% from his injury. You have to draft defense. I hear you on the pass rush. Part of the reason I'm a believer is there's natural turnover year to year. Right. The Chiefs just lost their entire secondary. When you have a star head coach, I just believe in you. I think Ben Johnson is top notch. I put him with Sean McVeigh, I I put him with Kyle Shanahan, I put him with Andy Reid, Sean Payton, like I think he's got a chance to be just an all timer. I I think he's pretty special. I would take Ben Johnson over Kevin o'. Connell. I feel pretty confident about that actually partly because philosophically I see the, I see the game. I'm not acting like I know scheme like either guy but Ben Johnson's core, I think he wants to run the ball more. Kevin Oconnell's a little more pass happy for me but I when you have that I just buy into you. So they do bring a lot of guys back. Obviously like you said the center thing, nothing they could do to control that but that it is what it is. That's they didn't plan on that happening. In a perfect world he doesn't retire and they don't have to trade for the Patriot guy right who's not as good of a player they let Some guys go in the secondary, right? Obviously they pick the ball off a lot, which their defense wasn't good, but they had historic turnover rate. I, I just think their offense is going to be better and defensively like, we'll see. I mean we'll see what they do in the draft. I think they're just. I think they're going to be pretty good. I think they're going to be pretty good. I think Dennis Allen's a really good defensive coordinator. I think their head coach, who's also the play caller is a stud. And if I just bet on Caleb Williams getting 5, 8% better, it's becoming a little more consistent now. If that doesn't happen, then yeah, I think they could be the same exact team. But not as good. Right, because their defense might not have as many turnovers so they win 10 games. But if you tell me Caleb gets better, even if their defense has some deficiencies, I think they could be really good. So I'm betting on Ben Johnson improving Caleb Williams and keeping the momentum as a great head coach to improve the team. I'm much higher on the packers than most people. Like their history speaks for itself. They had a bunch of weird shit happen and they like at one point in time last year I thought they were going to win the nfc. So I think they have a chance to get right back in. The Lions offense was very bizarre last year. They have a bunch of injuries. I think the Lions could be a factor. So I listen. It's not easy in Minnesota. It's like not some. If they're the fourth best team in your division, which some would argue middle cop. What are you talking about? They're. They're a problem as well, Kyler. I mean they couldn't be as bad as they were last year on offense from a passing game standpoint. So I hear you. I think it's fair. But I'm betting on Ben Johnson. I'm betting on him improving the quarterback. And I just bet on good head coaches to be good. I mean it's really that simple. I mean I, I don't know what else to tell you. The volume. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the math. AT T Mobile and now T Mobile
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