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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - CONCERN for Micah's back, Super Bowl FAVORITES, Jaxson Dart named BACK-UP
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When you think about emotion regulation, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome. Avoidance is easier. Ignor is easier. Denial is easier. Complex problem solving takes effort.
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What is going on, everybody? John Middelkopf three and Out Podcast. We're finally here. We got NFL games coming up right around the corner. If you're listening to this, probably less than 36 hours, maybe 24 hours for Eagles Cowboys. So let's get fired up. A lot of content the last couple days. Pods with Colin, pods on Arch Manning, pods on Alabama and lsu and Bill Belichick. So we've had content for days. We've been grinding my people behind the scenes. Been working their ass off. So props to everybody not named Middle Cough. That's part of this podcast. Appreciate you guys a lot. Other than that, that'd be Adam, Shane, Jackson, Noah. We got a crew. This is not just me here. I'm just. I'm just along for the. Along for the ride on the back of the boat. Big show today. Talk some football, some big picture stuff in the NFL. Micah Parsons, the back. Bill Belichick, want to chime in on something there some other stuff as well as a mailbag at John Middlecoft. Fire in those DMs and get your questions answered here on the show. At John middlecoff, firing those DMs. You guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three and out. Also make sure you subscribe to the YouTube page. Very easy to do. Just type in my name. Subscribe. All of our content is there. So let's talk. Can't even speak. Let's talk some football. But before we do, you know, I got to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this. You want to go to one of these NFL games? We're here. Do you want to go to one of these college games this fall? We're here. Maria was showing me this concert coming to Arizona at Chase Field, which is honestly a terrible baseball stadium. But as I got, I kind of want to go to this concerts in November. I'm like, hey, if you're feeling up for it, I know some people that know some people. I got an app on my phone, press a couple buttons and we're there because game time. Easiest app I've ever used. And trust me, I. I've used them all. Been going to games for 20 years now consistently, and it does not get any easier to use. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use the code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem the code John for $20 off down the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. Okay, well, let's just start with this. I've seen a lot of talk on the Internet. I was at the gym this morning. I looked up, everyone was screaming at each other on the television shows about the Micah Parsons back situation with Green Bay. Listen, teams have a lot of leverage in these situations. They can just kind of try to smoke you out, right? And do nothing and just go. I bet you're not going to miss games where it's the player can be in a difficult situation. Especially nowadays where if you hold out and you're a veteran player, they can fine you and you can't get the money back. It just becomes complicated. But this whole notion with the back injury, if you think there's a reason that 16 and 17 year olds when they get their license have to pay a lot for insurance, there's an enormous risk. When you give a 17 year olds the car keys to the Suburban, right, he's much more likely to get into an accident. Why he hasn't been driving very long and let's face it, especially young boys who we do dumb ass shit behind the wheel and insurance companies go, well, we're going to charge you a lot. If you think that a team would trade multiple first round picks and then give a historic amount of money for a guy with a back injury, I want to know what you're smoking. The reason I'm out on the ramps, their quarterback, I mean potential hall of Famer, his back's messed up and yeah, he might play week one and hell, he could play all of September. You have no clue when that thing flares up. Could be on a Tuesday, could be on a Friday, could be the morning of a game and all of a sudden he's like, I do not feel right. I'll never forget Steve Kerr literally couldn't coach, couldn't coach a basketball team because of his back. It is by far at least if you have something with your foot, something with your elbow, it becomes very like very black and white. Typically with an injury it's like, okay, if we get this surgery, this will happen. With the back, the unknowns are kind of like the brain. So you can throw around discs and L4s and L5s. Here's what I know. The packers would never have give the thumbs up on this trade if there was a problem with the back. Now if you're the Cowboys, like it's over this thing regardless what the, you know, nail in the coffin was. The straw that broke the camel's back, the reason that you pulled the trigger, who cares? He's not your problem anymore, he's the Packers. But if you think this, he might need an epidural to play Sunday. Do you think the packers just gave this guy historic amount of money is going to put a shot into his back so he can play week one of the first moment they give him a direct deposit for this contract? You're crazy. Because Gudekens couldn't Risk his career, because that would be a career ender, at least in Green Bay. If this guy had a mass messed up back and couldn't play, there's no way they would green light it. So this story, I'm glad it's about to go away and he can just play and we can all move forward and the Cowboys can move forward. Probably getting their ass kicked. You know, people like middle cuff, what are your predictions? Who do you like in each division? Who are your playoff teams? I find that stuff kind of boring, honestly. And luckily, like in the podcast space we're in, I don't have to do that. I kind of do whatever I want. And I think we'd all agree, like we'd all be on the same page. There's a group, you know, if you want to be conservative, four or five teams, if you want to be a little more aggressive, eight, nine teams, they can win the Super Bowl. There's easily half the league that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. I think we all agree there is a group of the Eagles, the Bills, the Ravens and the Chiefs. Right? Those three teams in the AFC have consistently been in the mix the last couple of years. The Chiefs, for more than half a decade. And the Eagles have been two of the last three Super Bowls and look absolutely loaded on paper. They're going to be really, really good. Now the Packers, I like to win the division. I like clearly in theory more now with Micah Parsons. I do think that adds a wrinkle to inside the locker room, the money dynamics, how he embraces it all. But if it goes well, their ceiling is clearly now much higher and I would put them right there with Washington, Detroit as a team. That would not shock me at all. If they are in the NFC Championship game. I think the NFC can be a little more difficult because if you want to say everything goes right in Denver, I think they could be right in the mix. If you want to say the offense is greatly improved in Houston, I'd be like, I could see them being right in the mix, right, because both those two teams defense are going to be really good. Obviously, Sean Payton's resume speaks for itself and I'm a big believer in d' Amico Ryan's. I think the AFC top to bottom is clearly better, which makes it more difficult. Like if the Chiefs are going to keep going to the super bowl, even if they lose some of these Super Bowls, what they're doing, winning these playoff games is fucking insane. I mean, it really is, right? Think about the Eagles got a Packer team that wasn't really that good last year, at least wasn't playing that well coming in. And then they got a Washington team in the championship game that they were clearly way better than and then just curbstopped them. Hell, they beat the shit out of the Chiefs. So their road was a little bit easier than, you know, having to play Buffalo, having to play ball. It's just harder. It just is. Because anytime you got to play Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, potentially Joe Burrow, it is difficult. But I think they're. Listen, I. It's hard for me to bet against the Eagles. I'd be a little surprised. It's football. Guys can get injured. Obviously, they have a new play caller, though. He's been there, which I don't think you can just be confident on, because a couple of years ago, they. I would have said the same thing, and then it was kind of a disaster. But I'd be a little surprised if there aren't major injuries, if the Eagles aren't, at minimum, in the final four and representing the nfc. I've picked the Bills before, and they've let me down. I have picked against the Chiefs, and they've basically done it every time. I rarely ever picked the Ravens because until Lamar does it, I do believe he can do it. But until he does it, I'm not picking them. I like Denver a lot. This season in Houston's kind of my wild card because I think their defense might be the number one defense. And if C.J. stroud's a good player, you're going to be a major factor. But I think that's pretty clear. I do think there's one team in the NFC that, like, we did. We had a meeting on my show maybe like a month ago, and one of the guys behind the scenes, Noah, was, like, throwing out some bets he liked, and once he said, I'm like, I kind of loved it. Is Baker Mayfield about 25 to 1 to win the MVP? Well, if you like Baker Mayfield to win the MVP, you got to like Tampa Bay. And if you like Baker Mayfield to win the mvp, if he plays like he did last year and they win 12 or 13 games, more than likely they're a two or three seed, right? I mean, who knows? If things go really well, 13 or 14, they could be the number one seed. And all of a sudden, maybe they're in the mix to be going up against the Eagles, who actually they've played well against the last couple years. So that is one bet. And I've mentioned This before. Listen, you're not getting great odds on all the top quarterbacks. You would say Joe Burrow could have a huge season. But I like I'm not picking the Bengals to make the playoffs. Actually, I think the Bengals and the Chargers missed the playoffs this year. You know, I just think Cincinnati, you can't be that shitty a defense. You really can't be that shitty a defense. And me to take you seriously. Like we have seen a lot of teams over the history of football have great offenses and just come up short. I'm not even talking about come up short in the playoffs or the Super Bowl. I'm talking just literally in games throughout the season. So like I'm out on Cincinnati, not because I don't love Joe Burrow and their offense. It's the same reason I'm kind of out on the Chargers. You lose a star left tackle which messes up your offensive line. Your offense to begin with wasn't great. Your margin for error was already pretty small. Like I think both these two teams are probably like 9ish wins. And I think the Patriots get in this year. The one team, the one sleeper team I got. You can get almost four to one the Titans to make the playoffs. Actually the Titans could be pretty solid this year. Why I'm a believer in Cam Ward and a Cam Ward's good. Like that team was a couple awful plays away from will Levis from instead of drafting one drafting like 10th. And their quarterback play was atrocious early on in the season. Their defense wasn't bad. So if Cam Ward is good, I don't think it's crazy that the Titans are just like a competitive team now. Do I think they are the equivalent of what Washington was last year?
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But I definitely think that if you tell me they're in the wild card mix come December, I think it's very believable. And I've been saying this for a while. I think the best value on the board is Seattle at 5 to 1 to win the division. I mean most teams that they had the same record as the Rams that won the division last year, the same exact record. The Rams, their starting quarterback at any moment could just be out a month with a fucked up back and then they got to go to Jimmy Garoppolo or Stenson Bennett. So Seattle won 10 games last year. They have an improved roster. I think Sam Darnold's a better player than Geno Smith. So you can get them 5 to 1 to win the division. Now I'm not saying they're going to win the division. I'm just saying from a value perspective, that's fantastic. Hell, the packers, who I liked a lot pre Michael Parsons, were like plus 250. That's like half the odds of what Seattle is going into the season when they literally won 10 games last year. They have a coach who we know is good. Like, he proved it. It's not like a first time. It's not a Ben Johnson situation where it's like a. Like, listen, I'm kind of out on the Bears. Not because I don't like Ben Johnson, not because I don't think Dennis Allen's a good defensive coordinator. I just think this thing's going to be weird. Not like they're going to suck and bottom out, but I do think that they will not live up to the expectation of Ben Johnson's here, his he'll save Caleb and everything will be right. Same thing with Minnesota. It's like, I don't really know. I love their coaching staff, obviously, like their roster, but it's just hard when you have an unknown at quarterback. We're basically just kind of could be great because at least I know with Cam Ward coming from college, they have been depending on this guy throwing the ball for years. Washington State and Miami. So, yeah, the NFL is a lot different than Miami playing Boston College, but in terms of, hey, this game we're going to need you to carry us. He's been doing it for like three years in the Pac 12 at Washington State and then obviously last year at Miami. JJ never was asked to play like that. And so if they get in situations like that's how Sam was playing last year because that's how Washington was kind of built. Now you could say they're going to run the ball more this year. They got Jordan Mason to go with Aaron Jones. Yeah, maybe I got to see it first. So I like Minnesota more than Chicago, but I think both those are pretty big wild cards with the quarterback. I just got more questions about teams in the AFC than the NFC or the NFC than the afc. Like Detroit, who doesn't like their roster? It's really good. They got a bunch of stud players. They got like four or five guys that are under 25 that are some of the best players in the league. They have a group of like six, seven guys on their team that is good of a nucleus as any in the NFL. But when you change an offensive coordinator, like Ben Johnson wasn't just good, he was great. And this Johnny Morton guy, I always get a little nervous when you have a coach that I'm pretty sure Johnny Morton's like 55 years old. Johnny Morton Jr. He is 53. And am I looking at the wrong. I'm looking at the wrong guy here. This is. I'm looking at the right guy now. He is 55, 55 year old. So look at some of the star offensive coordinators recently in the NFL. You know, Kyle, Sean LaFleur, O', Connell, Ben Johnson. A lot of these guys are younger. So you haven't got your opportunity in all these years to shine in a league that yearns for offensive guys that are good with the quarterback, good with the offense. This guy was the wide receiver coach for Jim Harbaugh from 2011 to 2014 with the San Francisco 49ers and it just didn't materialize. It's like you've been this offensive senior assistant. Doesn't mean that he can't be good, but a little weird. I just got that situation. Red flag. I would say more than likely there's a little bit of a comeback to earth still being good, but nowhere as dominant as they've been because it's just, he's not as good as Ben Johnson. We saw it a couple years ago with Brian Johnson taking over Shane Psychic. There's going to be a drop off.
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I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation. Like, you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it. If it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say, like, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.
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One thing I do want to talk about is Bill Belichick. And on Monday night, I've talked. We did a podcast the other night. He got his ass kicked. We all saw it. It was ugly, it was embarrassing. And this has nothing to do with that. In the end, in college football, you right when you're a big school, scouts are coming to your program constantly. And I never actually did a school visit to this place, but have been told by literally everyone I know that the best school in America to deal with as a scout, as a gm, as a person, as just anyone in the NFL, not even close was Alabama. The doors were open literally 24 7. As a buddy described it to me one time, that if you called someone at 2 or 3 in the morning and needed to get in for something, they would have someone at the front door opening it for you. They were as NFL friendly as you could possibly be. One guy who's taken a lot of shit the last couple years is Lincoln Riley. He's been at usc. It hasn't been going that well. He like closes practice, closes to NFL scouts. It's like, why are you doing that? Like, we're all in this together now. One thing I had always heard about Gus Malzahn, when he was in Auburn, he used to close practice as the season went on because he thought that a lot of scouts wanted to curry favor with Nick Saban and they would steal things that were happening at practice or make notes of it and give it to Coach Saban so he would have an advantage when they played the Iron Bowl. Even though I. I'm not saying that's never happened in the history of the sport. I also understand where Gus being a little insecure. He's not Nick. Like, of course, if they have to choose one guy to get in with, it would be Saban. He was just very not confident in the situation. Right. So he would close practice as the season went on. And it was very unfriendly to the NFL scouts. Well, one thing that I was told is that. And there was a report last night, this is what Got my mind going is Pete Thamel of ESPN reported that Bill Belichick has made it very difficult on the scouting community so far this fall because basically the NFL training camp starts right July 20th to 24th. Most of the scouts go like the college scouts go, give or take seven to 10 days at their NFL facility at the, you know, wherever they're holding training camp, do a bunch of stuff with the gm, go to practice, and then they go out on the road and they start hitting schools, right? Because a lot of these guys, these sophomores becoming juniors that are going to be stars, they're now draft eligible, and some of these seniors, and you start getting information on these players, start gathering information, right? They haven't played a game. But for the next couple weeks before the college season starts, you're hitting all the big schools. And if you knock on Alabama's door or you knock on Texas door, a lot of these programs come on in. You meet with a pro liaison, which typically is like the GM or a personnel guy who knows the players well, and they just break it down from a player to. The main thing, especially during the fall, is the person, the character, what he's like in the program. It can be a little more difficult now with the transfer portal, way more difficult. So you got to, like. It takes a little more time gathering the off the field information when a guy's been moving schools. But any guy that's been in the program for a couple years, you can talk to people and they give you a bunch of information. Well, Belichick hasn't been very accommodating, and I was told by multiple people that he has banned the New England Patriots. The New England Patriots. If you're a scout for the New England Patriots, you are not allowed at the University of North Carolina, which is funny, but also kind of embarrassing because Bill Belichick, for multiple decades, my guess is made over $200 million working for Robert Kraft became an absolute NFL legend, winning Super Bowls, going to Super Bowls, and just kicking the shit out of everybody with Tom Brady. And then it got ugly and he lost and he got fired. You know what that's called? Football. Tom Landry got fired. Andy Reid got fired. Pete Carroll's been fired. People get fired. But to ban the New England Patriots is like an F you to Robert Kraft. Guess what? Robert Kraft's not doing ever making a school call in the history of his life. He's never going to any of these universities collect. It's just some random kid, you know, random guy that works for Elliott Wolf. Going to the school one. North Carolina doesn't have much talent right now. But regardless, I do think, like, I understand being old, bitter, grouchy and angry. If life's been shitty, right, if you're lonely, if your financial situation's bad, if you have no hope in life, just being miserable like that is understandable. Now, I wouldn't choose that mindset. I think it'll just lead you to more misery. It's a shitty way to live. But when you're super rich and, like, life's going pretty well. Someone just paid you $10 million to coach the University of North Carolina when no one else would hire you. It's a beautiful campus by all accounts. Everyone on campus was fired up to watch your game. Like, it's pretty exciting. Like, you were a really big deal. They made you Monday Night Football. Like, life's not that shitty for Bill Belichick yet. He is like this egotistical, angry, grouchy, just asshole right now. And listen, that's always been his thing. Well, it's much more understandable and easy to deal with when you're winning, when you're losing. And what we witnessed last night, no one's going to handle that stuff very well. And the thing I was thinking about, once you ban all the scouts and make it hard for the scouts and ban the New England Patriots, and maybe Bill knows this clearly, he's never getting a job in the NFL again. Because even if it goes well, in a couple years in New England or in North Carolina, he'd be 75, 76 years old. Like, this is it and he knows it. But to go out like this honestly kind of symbolizes who Bill Belichick is. Petty, vindictive. I understand it with Goodell, you know, having the issues you had when you felt you got fined or Brady got suspended and whatever, and it was unfair in this situation, it just feels kind of like low level. It really does. Because I asked a couple people, have you ever heard about this? Because guess what? A lot of people in the NFL have been fired. A lot of head coaches have been fired and then gone on to college to run, become head coaches. Do you know what none of them have ever done, to my knowledge? Ban the team that fired them. And Belichick isn't just synonymous with the Patriots. He is famous because of the Patriots. He's interwoven into them. So I understand having a bad divorce, but, bro, you went 4 and 12. Like, if she dumps you because you lose your job, you're miserable. You don't do Anything. And you're, like, potentially violent. Like, hard to blame her. Right? Does anyone really blame Robert Kraft for firing you? Like, it was time. Like, you weren't just there 10 years, 20 years. You were there, like, 23 years. It was a long freaking time. And it had run its course. I just can't understand. And I was thinking about this. I mentioned this on Monday night. He can't hide. He can't fake his personality, which I appreciate in most people. But now in his job, there is somewhat of, like, a political angle to it. You kind of got to put on a brave face and just pretend to be semi happy sometimes. In college football, do you think every day Nick Saban wanted to smile when he just knew, like, hey, recruits are going to be watching or to do this media hit or to do whatever? Of course not. Well, Belichick's never had to do any of that, because in the pros, none of that matters. In college, it kind of does. So now the NFL people are like, God, this. This guy. What the fuck is wrong with Bill? And most people would just be like, yeah, this is who he's always kind of been. Which, listen, you can make excuses when you're winning 13, 14 games and going to the Super Bowl. You just become a laughingstock when you start losing by 40 points and, you know, have a four and eight season. So that's what they look like they got. And I can't imagine that Mike Lombardi, who is like, they've said they're the 33rd team, like, that's what they want to do. Well, we know who the boss is. The guy making $10 million. He's the guy. Banning New England. He's the guy making it hard on the scouts, which I just think he put out a too deep yesterday, which was completely blank. It's like, bro, you're kind of turning into a joke. It's kind of sad. And I'm a defender of Belichick. I'm a fan. I'm the guy that's been calling him the greatest coach I've ever seen forever. And I stand by what I said based on what I saw in his heyday. But what's going on right now? You know, Jerry Jones gets made fun of a lot for being old and senile. What the hell is happening to Belichick? Couple other things. Jackson, dart the backup. You know, there's certain things you can see coming from a mile away. You know, sometimes when you're, like, when you go out for cocktails or you have a friend that starts dating Someone and you come home with your significant other, and you're like, they're never gonna last, and they don't, right? Or you have a buddy that gets into a business, he's like, I'm telling you, bro, just either invest or this thing's gonna be big. And you're like, this thing's got no shot. Like, you just. You just know, like, from the jump. And sometimes the opposite. Sometimes you're like, damn, this thing is going to work. Like, you eat a restaurant, you're like, this food's good. This thing's going to be a hit in this town. Jackson darts the backup quarterback. You can see what's going to happen coming from a mile away. Russell Wilson's giant career is hanging by a shoestring. And that shoestring is going to rip apart every single day, every single. I'm not even talking on Sundays. I'm talking Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. That I have a hard time seeing Jackson Dart not being in the game by the end of the month. I mean, I really do. And I think that the way he played this, this fall, the pressure that's on the head coach, the fan base, like, fan bases do have some juice. Like, obviously, everyone wants Kaylin DeBoer fired. Where there comes to an A line where it's like, well, are you going to pay the $70 million buyout? Where it gets complicated in the NFL, it's not that complicated. If Brian Dayball does not win, he's gone. And the one way that you don't have to totally win, like, win some games, but also keep your job is to go, this is my quarterback. This quarterback looks good with me, and I'm a quarterback guy, and that could save the guy's gig. So I would imagine Jackson Dart is inserted really, really quick because I know football fans and no one's going to watch. Want to watch? Russell Wilson, Dinkin and Duncan for 17 points a game. And listen, that might be what Jackson Dart ends up doing as a rookie, but I would rather watch that as a fan, as an owner, as a GM than anything Russell Wilson's bringing to the table in 2025. You know, it's funny, like, the Patriots and just anytime you hire a new coach, for the most part, when you've been really bad, it's like, blow this bitch up. Up. And Pete Carroll got there, he's like, I want Max Crosby. Extend them. Spytech's like, extend them. Colton Miller, like, this guy. Extend them. Sometimes you go to a place and they got pieces. Other times you go to A place you're like, this thing needs to be burned to the studs. I've always said this about the Oakland Coliseum where the Raiders and age used to play. They should take dynamite around that whole thing and blow it to fucking smithereens, you know. And that was when I thought maybe teams would stay. They've all left. Everyone's gone. That thing every day that's a thing's erect is insane. It's the biggest dump I've ever been in my entire life. House, stadium, any structure. I mean, it doesn't get any worse than that place. It's no different team. Sometimes you show up, you're like, what is going on here? I can't even imagine when Mike Vrabel walked into. Now listen, some of the, some of the captains. It's not like, you know, Jacoby Brissette's a high level guy, but if Jacoby Brissette's a captain on your team in 2024, you're going to lose a lot of games. So I'm high on New England this year now. I think their ceiling is somewhat limited just because explosive players on offense beside the running back, not that many we have to see with the quarterback. I'm just a believer in the head coach. I'm a believer in the system. I'm a believer also in their schedule. So 9, 10 wins is probably the ceiling, but I would expect a very, very quick turnaround.
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I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like, you're not going to choose an adapt strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you because it's easy to say, like, go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.
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The U.S. open is here and on my podcast, Good game with Sarah Spain. I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner? And the pressure. Billie Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus the stories and events off the court. And of course the Honey Deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open.
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The U.S. open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans. Whether you play tennis or not.
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I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. And on the latest episode of Spoletics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?
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Many of them are in fear of their political lives and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents to stand. Stand up for your constituents. And there's life after Congress. And you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them forever.
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Okay, time for a little thing we like to call the mailbag at John Middlecoff is my Instagram handle. Two Fs. It's always weird. And, you know, I'm relatively newly married, but whenever we. Today we were at the doctors and we're on just. We were in Hawaii. And ever she goes, yeah, Maria Middelkopf. When you hear your last name on someone else's name, you're like two Fs. Middle cuff at John. Middle cuff. Packer fan. Here's one for the back. Personally, I'm a little worried about the pack, about the back, and what our run defense will look like. We got him to get more pressure on golf, but that doesn't matter if Gibbs and Montgomery are running all over us. I feel like Goody and LaFleur know their jobs are on the clock, so they felt they had to make a big swing. It's boom or bust, no in between. Only time will tell who won for it to be a success. The packers, they need at least one Lombardi in the next three seasons. Well, they've only been to one super bowl with Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre since 98. So I would say I understand winning a Super Bowl. It's easy to say that winning a, you know, NBA Finals, like, if the Lakers don't win an NBA Finals with Luca, it's a disappointment when you make it to the championship. Even if you lose, it's pretty impressive. Like, you guys have been to a lot of NFC championship games, but winning that game and going to the super bowl and winning the NFC to me would be a pretty big deal. So if you tell me the next three years you get to a Super Bowl, I think that's a pretty big success. I said this earlier. If you think they would give him almost $140 million guaranteed, which is about the same amount giver. I mean, it's a little bit less than they gave Jordan Love with a questionable back. I just think you're on crack cocaine. The back thing to me is nothing. I don't think it exists. I really don't. Because I can't imagine you going, yeah, we're going to give him a contract, but his back might have some issues. That'd be malpractice. That'd be a fireball offense. I think they made the trade because they justified in their head, like, how we ever get this player? How do we ever get a player like this? And the answer is, you don't really, unless you do this. But I'm with you. There's a lot of risk involved because think about who you have to go through. Like you said, the Lions, Penne Sewell is going to be on them. You think Micah Parsons can shed Penne school in the run game? He can't. I mean, no one can. Lane Johnson and Jordan Mylotta for the Eagles. Those teams want to run the ball down your throat. You know, Washington will, you know, their offense a little softer because it's a little more spread with Cliff. But you know, the Rams can be a physical offense. The 49ers can be a physical offense. We know the Seattle is going to want to run the ball. I mean, the NFC has a lot of run heavy type teams. Who else is good in the South? Tampa. I mean, Bucky Irving had a big year last year. They got two good tackles. So it's a run heavy conference. This is not the nfc, is not the afc where it's like Burrow Mahomes, Lamar, just go out there, sling that pill, baby. The NFC is like, buckle up. We plan on running power in outside zone till the cows come home and then play action off that. I was thinking with Garrett, with the Garrett trade request earlier this year, would it have been a way to package desean Watson into that and offload part of his contract? Like if Garrett went for a first and a third, could the Browns say, give us a first and a five and you get Garrett and Watson? Garrett on the Browns is kind of in limbo. Oh, is a lambo in a trailer house situation. It's like that meme with the. With the Lambo next to the trailer house. I agree a little bit. Yes. Not like they were just one player away from winning a ton of games. Would be curious to hear your thoughts. I do think he would have gone for a lot more than a one and a three. I know he's older than Micah, but I think he gets multiple ones. He's that good of a player. I think he's the most. You could argue he's just the most purely talented player in the NFL. You know, Trent Williams is older now, you could say, like Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, like, he's on the short list of just pure raw talent. Might be number one overall, regardless of position. I just have a hard time going. Okay, let's just say I have to give you one of a first. And I take Deshaun Watson as well. I don't think he's tradable. I don't think I would be interested as a GM to get Miles Garrett to take Deshaun Watson, to essentially cut him. So I'm just taking his money to ruin my books to cut him. Because whenever Deshaun Watson is cut, however this plays out, he'll eventually be cut. Whether that's in a couple years from the Brown. I don't think he ever plays in the NFL again. I don't think he ever plays another snap in the NFL. And I don't say that lightly. I'm not throwing that around. This is not a moral stance either. I don't give a shit. We know the teams do not care. If Sean Watson was a good player, no one would care. But he's atrocious on the field. I mean, he's objectively one of the worst players in the league the last couple of years. And then you factor in all the baggage. I don't. I don't think he's touchable because he's not a backup quarterback. It's why if this Russell Wilson thing doesn't work out, kind of feels like his career is kind of coming down the home stretch. Unless he's just cool with being a backup and is like, is he too famous to be a backup? Question quarterback. And obviously Russell is. I mean, has nothing in common with DeSean Watson from a negative standpoint. Beside him just being kind of annoying with the packers taking golden in the first round and going all in on the mat. The Mica trade, do you think this has to do with the president, with the new president, Ed Policy, or just the right circumstance? I thought Gudikens had a quote that was like, he didn't say yes or no. He just said, do it. You know, they didn't have to run it by him like he was the owner. Could be screwing that up. This has been a long weekend and I remember that that quote was like, on Thursday. I think it has less to do. I think this trade happens if Murphy's there, if Ed Policy is there, if whoever's the president. This trade happens because Micah's available and Gudikens wanted him. And LaFleur said, like, I knew when Goot came down to my office and said this might be a possibility. And that could have been a month ago. But, like, to me, this felt like a front office led pursuit. And the one thing Goot said, I'll call him Goody. I don't know if anyone calls him Good. It's probably easy to call him Goody. I think I'm messing. I don't know if his name's Gudekins. I could be screwing that up, the pronunciation there. But we'll just go with Goody. He said, was it the Cleo Mack trade that he felt now he's like, we probably wouldn't have got him anyway. But one thing I regret about that situation is I was late. I felt late to the party. And I wonder if he's looking at it in this situation of like, I'm not going to be late to the party when it comes to this trade. And he was probably one of Jerry's first calls, then just kept on it, kept on it like a sales guy, you know, probably like, you know, I've never been a part of one of these trades in terms of being a gm, but I would imagine you kind of got to be a little annoying because when you end up trading for a guy that was, let's face it, for a long period of time, not available, you're probably wearing them out. Like, hey, any interest? What would it take? And then when the dialogue starts, it's a lot, because you have created the dialogue for months when he's telling you no. And then once I think it becomes a little bit of a stronger possibility, you go, hey, Matt, are you on board with this? Obviously, Matt probably was like, sure. And then you get your defensive coordinator involved. Like, is this. Are you very comfortable with this scheme, fit with this player? And once he gives you the go ahead, because if you make the trade and your defensive coordinator's not fully on board, it could make you look bad. So I think the coaches were clearly on board. The GM led this pursuit. And Ed Policy is not really in the business of telling you when and where to make personnel decisions, right? That's not really his gig. And I think Guta Kin's also said that he told him about this because it was such a big deal, but he doesn't bother him. Like, he doesn't tell him when he's making practice squad moves, right? If he's making a move with the 53rd guy on the roster, cutting him and bringing a Guy up like he's not telling him. But this is a type move that you keep everyone involved. But Ed Policy's job is not to tell you when and when not to do this. Now, maybe from a financial standpoint, you have to run by some of the numbers, but, you know, this is why the packers are good. Their GM and their head coach run the football. There's no the Ed Policy, the Murphy guy. Like Murphy, maybe a little more than policy is not dictating the football decisions. But I'm with you. You make this trade, you're in win now mode. I like the Packers. Before this move, I actually, this move makes me a little more nervous, to be completely honest. Is one of my favorite bets on the board was taking the packers to win the division. And I liked him when it was like, plus 250. So 100 bucks gets you two. You get. Would you bet $100? If you win, you make 350 bucks. If you bet $1,000, you win 3,500. Now the odds are, you know, basically, I think I looked. It was like plus 130 or plus 140. So they're diminished dramatically. I also think they're just human elements to this. You know, there have been reports about Micah in the locker room. Just, you know, it's not like he's a bad guy, but he's just kind of into Micah when that's, you know, Dax the opposite. Zach Martin's the opposite, by all accounts, CD Lambs the opposite. So you're getting this big personality that's kind of into him. Who's going to this place that has kind of like a low key, easygoing culture, but everyone kind of buys in. I don't know. It just makes me a little nervous. It could work like I'm. I'm not expecting it to derail them, but everyone's expecting fireworks and my first response. And maybe it's just my natural inclination. When everyone's scared, I'm probably more bullish. And when everyone's bullish, I'm a little more down on it. Maybe it's just playing the stock market for years. It's kind of developed that habit now. You can't always just hang a left when everyone's hanging right. Sometimes the left will take you right into the tsunami or the fire. So I'm not anti this move from the Packer standpoint, but we have to acknowledge, separate from the money, there are risks. I mean, this is a guy that. Does he listen to the coaches now? Because he goes, well, I'M the highest paid guy here. So this defensive coordinator that is not some. I like Halfley a lot, but he's not some well established Vic Fangio that can tell any player anything or Brian Flores. So if, if Parsons at a point, if he doesn't like what Halfley saying and doesn't agree freelance is like, it's Halfley lighting him up like a Christmas tree. I don't know. I just think there are some inherent risks with this situation. You know, in football you say basketball too. Anytime you get these big name, big talent, high price guys that move teams especially to like smaller markets, it can go really, really well and you can become a Michael Parks, could become a fucking legend. Or it's like it could get weird. I was born, raised and still reside in the suburbs of Philly all my life. I'm 25. The entire area are big Eagles fans. As a guy who roots for my fantasy team and doesn't have one team to root for, it's been super annoying dealing with the Eagles fans. They seem to be even worse than your average crazy football fan. I, as a supporter of the Eagles fans, have been human that lived in that area that really liked it and appreciated it. I think all fans are a little crazy and I don't think Eagle fans are that much different than anyone else. Given your time working for and being around the organization, as well as your experience with people, fans from other teams and circles, do you also find Eagles fans to be specifically intolerable? Love the show. I really don't. I think if you, maybe because of the area, like you're just going to be more negative in the Northeast. Their inclination to lean negative in Philly, in New York, in New England, just with their disposition as an area is different than we are growing up in Northern California or people in Southern California or people in Seattle or people here in Arizona, even like Kansas City. It's just, it's just the wiring of the people. But I would say, what the hell is the difference between Eagles fans and jets fans or Giants fans or New England fans? Like, if your team sucks, you get mad. And if your team's really good, you start feeling yourself. It's called sports. I really, I hated Philadelphia in the winter. I don't like living in the cold. If I want to go to the cold, I either get in a plane or get in my car and go there so I can leave. But in terms of the character of the city, the character of the people, I thoroughly enjoyed my time. You know, it's, I'm born and raised spent 30 plus years in California. Now I've lived in Arizona for four plus years. So the overwhelming majority of my life has been spent in California, the West coast. But those couple years in Philadelphia, I mean really change my perspective of like, I might be born on the west coast, but I got a little east coast northeast in me. I actually have a lot of different parts of the country feel. I got a little Southern in me. I definitely have Northeast personality at times in me. I have a chill California side. But I love Philadelphia and I love the fans. I really did. I really, really enjoyed it there. And yeah, I mean in a weird way still, still like have buddies on that work for the team and root for Howie to do well.
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I was going to schools to try to teach kids these skills and I get eye rolling from teachers or I get students who would be like, it's easier to punch someone in the face. When you think about emotion regulation, like you're not going to choose an adaptive strategy which is more effortful to use unless you think there's a good outcome as a result of it, if it's going to be beneficial to you. Because it's easy to say, like go blank yourself, right? It's easy. It's easy to just drink the extra beer. It's easy to ignore, to suppress seeing a colleague who's bothering you and just like walk the other way. Avoidance is easier. Ignoring is easier. Denial is easier. Drinking is easier. Yelling, screen screaming is easy. Complex problem solving, meditating, you know, takes effort.
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The U.S. open is here. And on my podcast Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner? And the pressure. Billie Jean can King says pressure is a privilege. You know, plus the stories and events off the court and of course the honey deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be.
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A very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, their whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans. Whether you play tennis or not.
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Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icons Venus Williams, recent wild card bids? Or the young Canadian Victoria Mboko making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get.
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From the Obama White House to Google to the Grammys, Malicious Journey is a masterclass in shifting culture and using your voice to spark change.
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I'm telling you, I'm on the Energy committee. Like if the energy is not right, we're not doing it, whatever that it is. Listen to Culture Raises us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. And on the latest episode of Spolitics, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries joins me for a candid conversation about the state of the Democratic Party. What do Republicans say to you privately that they won't say publicly?
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Many of them are in fear of their political lives and that's been part of the challenge. But we continue to say to them, you were elected to defend your constituents, to stand up for your constituents, and there's life after Congress and you should be willing to actually want to be able to look back on your time in the House of Representatives knowing that you can keep your head held high because you did the right thing. Donald Trump is gone in three and a half years, but their legacy or their failure to stand up to the extremism and the unprecedented assault on America as we know it will be with them for forever.
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If you were the Steelers gm, would you have entered this year with this team and what would you do post the 25 season? I I think it's like someone told me last night about Belichick's quarterback. I'm like, why did they take this guy? And this guy's response was, he didn't have many options. And I think when you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, you went, you're drafting whatever 20th, you go, what are you going to do? Trade for Geno Smith? Sign Sam Darnold? If they would have resigned Justin or not Justin Fields at the number in which the jets did that would have been insanity. That would have been the craziest thing the Steelers have ever done. So thank God they didn't do that. Listen, the Rogers thing is probably way more bust than boom, but there is, it could work out if they can run the ball, if they play good defense. They clearly didn't love having this high price safety and not being able to cover. So they get Slay, they get Jalen Ramsey. They kind of free themselves from, from Minka's money. They double down on tj. They think they're going to be better on defense. They historically have had the tall, long corners, physical corners. I mean, both Slay and Jalen are physical corners. I mean, Jalen's a hitter. You know, DK doesn't really feel like a Steeler, but who knows? I think the Steelers could be solid. I think they could be similar outcome as last year. Like not the last couple years. Nine tennis wins, first round and out. But be a better team. I just don't know what else he was supposed to do. Like Baker Mayfield wasn't available. He couldn't just like trade for Jared Goff, so he had to have someone play quarterback. Shador Sanders, the third stringer on fucking Cleveland. So that surely wasn't the answer. I just think it was the best option. And ideally you get a quarterback moving forward, but that's easier said than done. It's like, well, you need a quarterback. Okay, we'll draft Kenny Pickett. Well, that's going to be a disaster. We need a quarterback. Okay, draft Mack Jones. That's a disaster. I think sometimes when you force the quarterback for every Mahomes and Josh Allen, you get some of these just epic train wrecks. Even Lamar, like the Ravens didn't force it. Remember, they drafted a guy ahead of him. So I, I think you're just in a tough situation. It's like, it's easy for me to say, well, we just got to find a quarterback. Well, okay, who? When? Well, if you win nine, 10 games, you're drafted in the 20s, you're not drafting Garrett Nussmeier. You're not drafting sellers, you're not drafting probably Cade club Nick, you wouldn't think. And who knows, is he even good enough for the bag? Curious to hear your thoughts on this article. Essentially, the NFL has called out Nielsen on diluting their viewership numbers, saying it cost them millions of dollars when they inaccurately underreport total viewers for the game. I just find it funny that the NFL is running circles around every other major sports league in America and is still fighting for every penny. Do you think this means that the NFL and its teams are still, quote, unquote, undervalued and could potentially be worth a few hundred million more? I would say the NFL wiring as a business right now is very similar to Alabama and Saban. You're thinking, like, why, I remember thinking this the last, like four or five years with Nick. How do you still care this much? How do you still care this much? And it felt like he did. He would still lose it. He was still so driven. His teams were still so buttoned up. It was like, it's incredible to have this stamina. I'd say the same thing for Pete Carroll. Like, how is he so excited for life to coach The Raiders at 73, 74 years old? I get Bill. He has this like, fu to the Patriots. It feels like that's the only reason he's coaching, just as an FU to Robert Kraft. Feels like Pete Carroll's just. Just driven to coach. The NFL is just driven to make money. I've known a couple of these guys that are like business owners that essentially own family businesses so their sons are part of their businesses. I've known farmers like this and they'll be like 75 years old. It's like they're driving around the ranch at 6:00am it's like, why aren't you just at your house in the country club relaxing? Why aren't you at Maui? Why aren't you in the Bahamas? What are you doing this for? It's like, that's all they know in the NFL right now. It's like, it's never enough. It's never enough. It's never enough. And there's keep going after it for more. I would say this. I didn't read the article. I saw the headlines. Separate from what you sent me. I think these, like, if, if, if YouTube or Apple says that 75,434 people listen to the podcast on Apple and 10,025. 10,253 people listened on YouTube, like, you have an exact number, you know that many people click based on if you watch for more than a minute, if you listen for more than five minutes, whatever the requirements are. You know, how does television have any clue? If I'm watching television at my house? Let's say I pull up YouTube TV Thursday night, Cowboys, Eagles, and Patty and Ron, my neighbor Sam and Julie, who live down the street, and 10 other people that are their friends as well, come over to my house and watch the game. Let's assume I'm getting credit, me and my wife, for watching the game. What If I have 15 other people at my house watching the game? How can they possibly account for that? Now, I think we all agree, and we know that a lot of people are watching football games, right? Like, if you told me 7 million people watched Belichick, but 15 million people watched the first 30 minutes of that game, I'd be like, I believe you. But could that number be 5 million people more, 3 million people less? I think it's a purely educated guess. I was thinking about this today because was it yesterday? One of the. It might have been Sunday. It was Sunday because ABC had Miami, Notre Dame, and ESPN had South Carolina, Virginia Tech. Well, when that game ended, it became a bunch of, like, baseball. Talk about Major League Baseball. And I've loved sports my whole life. I've made a career out of it. It's pretty clear less people than ever are watching baseball. Right. It's just not culturally relevant. And you kind of feel that at times with the NBA. But when I see these numbers, if you sell me, 10 million people watch the Finals. Yeah, that number could have been 8. It also could have been like, 15. If you factor in bars, if you factor in, you know, group settings. How do you account for. You know, whenever I travel, you realize, God, Fox Sports 1 is on @ every airport I've been to over the last six months. So every time I go there, Collins on. So I'm starting thinking, like when I was on with Colin. Imagine all the people in the airport that's on now. The sound's not necessarily on. So do you get credit? Do you not get credit? But it's all kind of an educated guess. I mean, the biggest scam of all time, not even close, was terrestrial radio. That some of these people in big markets are like, yeah, I think a hundred thousand people are listening. Well, could be, or it could be 30,000 or it could be 500,000 people. Now, there are certain shows like Howard Stern is Prime in New York or Mike and the Mad Dog or Rush Limbaugh, Jim Rome clearly, In, like, the 90s, a lot of people were listening to certain specific shows, but it was a complete educated guess based on meters representing a segment of society, on how many people are listening in television. Nielsen, to me, is a little bit like that, which is crazy, because the amount of money that's on the line specifically for the NFL, you're talking billions of dollars in these sales. So if you think about it, if you're going to pitch to Netflix and Amazon prime and these people, and you say concrete numbers because they'll know. So when you watch Amazon Prime. When I watch Amazon Prime, I keep saying, bezos, he's not even around anymore. But Amazon knows exactly how many people are watching for how long. Specific, like, where else you go. If you're watching on your computer, do you buy anything? They have all the information. Television has none of that, and radio legitimately has none of that. So I say, hey, advertisers, you are getting scammed in terrestrial radio. Come over to where we push product and you can quantify it. And that's why they have, and they continue to, and that's why where the money's flown. Major Longhorns fan here. I know Arch look bad against Ohio State, but my question isn't about that. My question is, why the hell was Sark calling quarterback power over and over again in the red zone? He's athletic, but he's not a big body like Cam Newton. Sark willingly put his quarterback, who was already struggling in a position where he's meeting a linebacker in the hole. They ran a quarterback sneak was. It was a fourth down in the goal line. I forget. That game feels like a lifetime ago. Whenever they ran a quarterback sneak, it might have been the worst. I saw someone tweet this, and I agreed. It's the worst quarterback sneak I've ever seen. The offensive line didn't know what to do. Arch, like, barely moved. I mean, it was. It was pretty bad. Now, I heard someone else say, the thing with quarterback sneaks, especially with a new quarterback, it's not a play you practice. So it can be a little hit or miss. Yeah, they clearly are. We're not good in the red zone. I heard someone break down, like, the last four years of Sark, they have been getting progressively worse in the red zone. I don't know. I. I'm with you on Arch. He's athletic like Caleb Williams. Athletic. You're not going to run quarterback power with Caleb Williams, but you can get him out on the move to throw. Like, I thought that was part of Arch. But are you going to run like Arch, like he's Cam Newton or Kyler Murray? Clearly he's not that comfortable. Now again, Ohio State is going to be one of the best teams you play all season long, potentially the best. But like when you play Georgia, Florida and A and M, you know Arch is going to be feels like a little intimidated to like lower shoulder against these guys thinking that he's faster than these guys. I defend Sark that I felt like he was feeling out his quarterback and trying to figure out what he did well and what he didn't do well, specifically against a really good opponent. Theoretically after a bad season from both programs, could Bama and USC do a coach trade? The schools agree to assume the contracts of each. Kalin would get to go back to the west coast and Lincoln could go back to the south. Both are big guys, are big name guys and after another bad season I think they would sign up for a change with their money preserved. It's a good question. I think if, if Lincoln Riley had a bad season, I don't think Alabama would want any part of him. I think USC would be more open to DeBoer than I think Alabama would be to Lincoln. But I'm with you, neither one of these guys, it would get way uglier because of the standard who he's replacing in Alabama where I could see if they just went like 6 and 6. Kaylin being like I want to quit but no human alive could give up that type of money. So he's kind of in a predicament with Lincoln. I, I would imagine USC this year is like eight or nine wins. Bama, you can convince me everything's on the table right now. If the Bengals defense is as bad as it was last year, how close to a 2011 Aaron Rodgers does Joe Burrow have to be to drag the Bengals to the playoffs? Rogers that year, 4,600 yards, 45 touchdowns, six interceptions. Packers went 15 and 1, 32nd in total defense. If you told me Burrow right now is 45 6, I would change my opinion. I would put the Bengals in the playoffs. But if you told me the Bengals had the 32nd ranked defense, I don't think it'd be possible for them to go 15 and 1. I think the most wins they could have would be like 12 or 13. In this day and age I just think the quarterback plays so much better in 2012 or 2025 than it was in 2011. I mean, you know, Stafford was there. Who would have been the Vikings quarterback then? I Don't even know. I'm going to click Cincinnati to see who they play. You know, they play Flacco. So they would win that game. Jags could win that game. But then you just get, like, at the Vikings, at the Broncos, the Lions, the packers, the Steelers, the Steelers, Pat's at home, the Ravens, the Bills, the Ravens. Kyler Murray. Yeah, I mean, if he had a historic, like, no doubt about it, MVP year. 12 or 13 wins. 13. Probably feel like the max if your defense was atrocious. Tessa Tour is so bad. Dude definitely lives and dies by what people say about him on Twitter. I saw Peter Schrager tweet this, and I don't necessarily disagree that, like, he really appreciated Joe Tessitore's passion and how excited he is. Because a lot of people in sports, I would say broadcasters, podcasters, definitely people on tv sometimes feel like they don't even like it. Like, why are you. Are you just doing this for the money? And the answer is yes, especially for some of these people with the amount of money they're making. Like, do you like football? I remember when I stayed with Colin like a month ago, we're just like, watching shitty preseason football, having cocktails and ordering food and just talking about, like, football philosophies. And I think there are a lot of people that talk about sports that would just not. Would not want to watch preseason football. And I think a lot of people in this business don't necessarily like it. Where there is no disputing that. Tessa Tour gets really excited. I'd argue it's a little over the top. I thought it was a little much this weekend. I mean, there were moments where it felt like he was just screaming at every play, which I would if you told me you get that or you get a guy that's monotone and sucks, I guess I will take that. But I am in agreement that it is a little overkill. Now, I will say this. One of my best friends, dude that officiated my wedding, I was in his wedding. Guy Haberman is now the 49ers play by play guy this year because Greg Papa got sick. And he does. He does Big Ten games. He's did Pac 12 games for everyone forever. I'm talking football, basketball, baseball. That profession is really hard. Whenever someone that doesn't quite know sports asked me, like, do you want to call games? No. 1, I can't. Like, I don't have that capability. I don't have that talent. And two, I don't even pretend or think that I could, like, I tried play by play for a couple games in college for college baseball at Cal Poly on, like, Internet radio. And I remember thinking, this is impossible. So it is. It's a very difficult thing to do and be good at. But I do think his style can be a little much. But I say the same thing for Gus with Joel. Like, I don't mind Gus, but I think sometimes it's like, okay, we get it. It's like, geez Louise. And Gus is like, that's kind of his lane. Tess treats some of these moments. It's like a. But he's a boxing guy. Like a boxing knockout. Which again, you feel like a hater if you're talking shit. And I do respect that profession is really hard to do. If you took a random sports fan and put him in that seat. I'm not talking the analyst seat. Be like, oh, that's a great catch, Joe. Oh, that's a big time hit. Oh, he's got to get down in the hole. I'm talking about calling the play by play, radio or television. I don't think the common person understands how hard you would fail and how embarrassing you would sound. I'm talking about someone that knows sports. So it's just not really my style. Again, it's hard. There's different strokes for different folks. Congrats on the baby. Wife and I are expecting our first in February. We actually went to the doctor day, and I don't think I quite realized once we got in, Maria knew, and she had kind of mentioned it, maybe I wasn't totally paying attention. Say, oh, this is the big appointment where we go over a hundred things to make sure your baby, you know, just has toes, heart, brain. I'm like, so you find bad stuff here, like every once in a while. Yeah, something devastating happens. My heart just started pounding. I'm sitting there, I started, like, praying. I'm not even religious. It's an exhilarating 20 minutes. Everything's good so far, so we're good in the clear. Are you on the packers for the value? Lions have a better quarterback, better wide receiver, better wide receiver. 2. Better tight end, better running back. Better running back, too. I mean, Josh Jacobs is better in Montgomery. If you want to take Gibbs over Jacobs, okay. I mean, Josh Jacobs, a high end player, better O line, and Hutchinson is probably the best defensive player between the two teams. And I agree. I would take Hutchinson over Michael Parsons. Do you think losing Ben Johnson sets all of that off? I think losing two coordinators are really big deal. You know, when you are John Harbaugh's proven that he can go through coordinators and it all kind of works out. But he's been doing it for 20 years, right? We have seen Jim Harbaugh. We saw him at Michigan. Like, when he gets the wrong coordinator, it can kind of go bad. So I just don't know. I'm not acting like the Lions can't win this division. And you could argue there's. There's value in betting the Lions, maybe, because if you told me that Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson had returned, they would be the heavy favorites to win this division. But what matters in the NFL when, for the most part, like, the gap between the packers and the Lions is not that big? Right? You would agree with that. So it's not like you guys are some unbeatable team and they're just like an average, good team. They're pretty freaking good. They had Micah Parsons, but coaching really, really matters. So who do I feel better about? Matt LaFleur or Johnny Morton, who, for whatever reason is 55 and no one ever wants to make him his offensive coordinator? Halfley, who had the best Packer defense in a long time? Or a guy that's a young. A young coach that's never been a coordinator? Now, by all accounts, it's going to be good. I feel better about the Lions on defense than I do offense. I just think sometimes when you lose, the ingenuity, the innovation, the creativity, like, you can't fake that. It's why it's like, hey, this guy's our next CEO. He looks great on paper, and then he gets in charge and it just fails. It happens all the time in all sorts of industries. You put people in positions, you go, God, this guy checks every box. Look who he's worked with. Look what he's accomplished. Look who signs off on him. And then he gets in the position. This is not good. And some people are like, look at his resume. It sucks. Yeah, he's just a natural. No one would have thought when he was 28, Theo Epstein was going to be one of the great GMs. You know what? He's got a great feel for it. It's pretty fucking good. I would have bet everything I had against Sean McVay working out. I'm like, wait, 30, 31 year old is going to coach, be a head coach in the NFL in the Internet era? No chance. Not going to work. It's a Hall of Famer, so you just. You just don't know. And when it works, it's incredible. No one knew Ben Johnson was Ben Johnson four years ago. Two years ago. Ben Johnson's turning down jobs. It's like, yeah, I'm going to wait. Redskins are like, what? We want to make you the head coach. Like, no, I'm good. Turn your plane around. But no one would have thought that two years previously. So you just don't know. And that variable, you know, again, we're talking insurance, mitigating risks. It could go well, could be fine, or it could be a major problem and they could just be off because calling plays is. There's a feel element to it that can't be quantified. I saw, I guess the Browns assistant GM is some chick and she was like, talking about the quarterback situation. She was like, talking data points. I mean, she's clearly very analytical. She's talking like a robot. It's like you're dealing with people here. These. These are people, like, with brains and hearts and souls and, you know, the tangibles or intangibles, it's impossible to quantify. So, yeah, there's data points on specific stuff. How fast a guy can run, how many catches he's gonna have. But you can't quantify what a guy's gonna be like. As a play caller, you can't quantify how in tune Ben Johnson was. One, clearly a natural. But two, like, just understood his personnel and had been there the whole time. And then bringing in a new guy. I'd say the same thing for Aaron Glenn, though. I do think, you know, defensively, if they're healthy, they're going to be pretty good. They got a lot of good players there. Yeah, I don't know. I just. I'm betting on the packers structure, coach, the gm, just the whole operation. That's what I'm betting on. And for the first time, you know, not saying Dan Campbell can't win the division. I'm a Dan Campbell fan. Huge fan. I fucking love Dan Campbell. But when you're a CEO head coach, like, if there's a drop off that can cost you a couple games, and the difference of winning 15 games and 12 or 13 games could simply be the coordinator. And if you win 12 and the packers win 13, all of a sudden you're a wild card. They win the division. I'm not acting like the Lions are going to win seven games here, but I am fascinated. And I wasn't even like Colin that made a big deal about the. The hall of Fame game. It's like they were just not buttoned up. Yeah, I'm more worried about legitimately Third quarter tie game, third and seven. Felt like Ben Johnson knew what to call. Does Johnny Morton? I don't know. All the other NFL teams were like, yeah, we don't really believe he does because we don't make him the office. Teams all over the league could have made him the offensive coordinator for years. Jim Harbaugh could have. No one ever did.
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