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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Dallas Cowboys win, Bryce Young keeps winning, Jayden shines
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
What is going on everybody? How are we doing? Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, great week and spend some time with our loved ones, our families and do a couple podcasts. So I did a big podcast yesterday on Saturday night reacting to the Saturday night games as well as the playoff games in college football. I recorded a podcast with Colin after the afternoon games and I'm recording this podcast right now after the Sunday night game. Cowboys get a big win 26 to 24. What a, what a entertaining football game that that was. That was a lot of fun. Sign me up for the violence of that game every day of the week. That was, that was sweet. So we'll dive into that game from McCarthy to Baker. Very, very enjoyable Sunday night that I'll be honest, didn't see coming. We will also hit on some other things from around the NFL. Bryce Young, we got to tip our hat to him. Jalen and a concussion in the game that they ended up losing to the commies, which with Jaden through for a bunch of touchdowns, five I think to be exact. And Kyle Shanahan, the 49ers I think got more questions than answers right now, that's for damn sure. But uh, other than that, the game plan will be I'll probably do a little podcast for Tuesday and then obviously nothing. Christmas might react to the Wednesday games. That'll probably be it for a couple days. So yeah, got, got, gotta, gotta hang out. The loved ones gotta spend some quality time, some QT as they call it with, with my people. My mom, haven't seen her in a while. So other than that, you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast 3Now podcast and if you listen on Collins also YouTube page, we got a bunch of content up there as well. But before we dive into some football, listen, I'm not a great gift giver. I'm not good at it at all. I'm not an outside the box thinker. I struggle. 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That was, that was fantastic football and for anyone, and I'm included in this, that sometimes gets nostalgic about the day and age, which, listen, I don't want anyone to get CTE or have a shitty life that played in the NFL when they're 50, 60, 70 years old or any of that. But there was something special about watching people just get destroyed and knowing, like, I can't imagine playing this game at that level. And then like any young kid, if you play high school football, you realize how you get nervous the first day you ever put on pads, like when you're on JV and you know, you get to varsity football and you start hitting some guys that are going division one, maybe some people listen to this. If you played Division 1, let alone in the NFL, there's something about the physicality of the sport that brings out kind of your manhood and separates, you know, the boys from the men. And there was something special about that game that I just witnessed. People were getting destroyed. That felt like a game that I would have watched, you know, my parents 30 inch TV in 1996, where you just watch guys, every other hit get absolutely ran over and every other big hit, you're like, is that guy going to get up? Is that guy okay? Sometimes defenders, you know, hurt themselves on the hits and the level of play and effort in that game I just thought was awesome. And I'll be honest, like, when I saw, you know, looking at the schedule like I do, getting ready for the podcast, either at the start of the morning or as the week's going on, you're like, this is Sunday night game. Not that I thought like the Bucks were just going to roll and the Cowboys were playing well, but it's like, I don't know if this game's going to be that great. I thought that was honestly one of the more entertaining games, you know, of the year. And starting with the Cowboys, I don't know what Collinsworth and Tariko said because I, I had the TV on mute. We're getting ready to leave tomorrow, back home. So we were talking about some stuff, had the game on, but had to, had to mute it. And then they showed the visual of this is as the Cowboys, when I finished with Coward and I went out to the living room, it was ten to nothing Cowboys. And then I get out there and Cooper Rush is continuing just to throw bombs. It's like, they look fantastic. I'm like, they can't look any better. And then they show, which they always show Jerry on a Cowboys game, especially in Dallas. And you got Steven and I think that was his other brother, one of the other Jones family sitting next to him. And they're just wearing Jerry out. And I, I don't think it's hard to put two and two together if you're guessing on what they were talking about, like how good Mike is doing or what are we going to do in this situation with him coaching this well, because at 82 years old and Jerry mentioned this and I think we all thought he was crazy and partly because he is kind of crazy and he talks a lot and it's, it's hard to ever know how much what he says, there's substance behind it. They said we're going all in, and then clearly it didn't feel like they were going all in. But when he said on his radio show that Mike could get extended, Mike could be the coach here next year, most of us just assumed, and I was guilty of this, like Mike McCarthy's done, especially when Dak goes out for the year, when Dak goes out for the year with the hamstring injury and you see him every game sitting in the, you know, sitting in the box, you go, wait, listen, Cooper Rush, their defense had been putrid. The first half of the season, like, this seems screwed. How are they going to win games? And then Cooper Rush and the offense has looked pretty good. Like, Cooper Rush has made a lot of plays. And especially tonight in that first half when he is just throwing bombs to CD Lamb and those two guys were eviscerating the Tampa Bay secondary. Like, I don't know, Jerry. I mean, I don't know what else you could ask from a coach in this situation. One big difference on defense. And I was, I was thinking about this, watching the game, even if you don't have great defensive personnel on your, you know, front four, you know, depending on if you run a three, four, four, four, three. When you have a special pass rusher or just a special player on your front, that takes all the energy of an offensive coordinator. The offensive line and the blocking scheme, it takes so much energy to focus on that guy that it, it's kind of like a domino effect for the Other guys get to play better than sometimes they actually are because of the guy they're playing next to. And on the Saturday game with Chris Jones, they talked about it with him. He's like, I'm not having my best statistical year, but I feel like I'm playing my best football and everyone next to me is eating. And you see it with all the great players, whether it's Myles Garrett, when Nick Bose is playing well, obviously T.J. watt, even if you have other good players, they play even better because all the energy goes to you. And their defense, since Micah has come back, just looks dramatically faster up front. Obviously he's a big part of that as a great pass rusher, but the other guys were flying around and crushing Baker early in that game and since he's come back, they just look a lot better on defense. And tonight the secondary, Al Harris, who I'm pretty sure is the guy when Matt Hasselback in the, in the playoff game against the packers when they won the coin toss and Hasselback goes, we want the ball and we're going to score. Pretty sure that's the guy that he threw the pick six to. And clearly that's the connection with McCarthy and he's the DB coach, that defensive backfield, you know, obviously Bland's back from his injury last year, made a game winning play, the play Lewis made on the interception. But their physicality, their hitting, you know, Diggs is out for the season with a knee injury. Look like Ronnie Lott meets Cam Chancellor back there. So if you're Jerry and you're Stephen and you're trying to figure out what to do, you look around the landscape, you go, mike's really good with offense and quarterbacks, like it's not really debatable. Dax played his best football with him calling plays. And then tonight, Cooper rush is 26 of 35 for basically 300 yards. Now, he could have thrown a pick there late in the game. Got pretty lucky, the dude dropped it. But overall, to have a backup quarterback look that competent is a reflection of the coaching staff and is a reflection of just overall coaching in general. So I think that visual showed. I would be stunned, honestly, if they weren't talking about that. Like, this is going pretty well. What are we going to do? Go on a interview? Who are we going to hire that's going to be better than the situation we're in? Plus, the reason that we struggled this year was more of a personnel issue than coaching. Now, is McCarthy perfect? Of course not, but I've been pretty impressed this Last month because I think universally Cowboy fans, just football fans would have said six, seven games ago, they are completely screwed. Like this thing could just fall off and become derailed. You look around the NFL, you look at some of these teams that are dealing with injuries, they just don't look the Niners good example. I mean the Giants are the worst case scenario. It's like, what is going on there? This team is the opposite. It's like, damn, they are playing, they are a muff punt screw up by the dude that they elevated from the practice squad from winning five straight games. And currently they would be, instead of seven, eight, they'd be eight and seven and they would be right in position like, God, could they make a playoff run? You know, could they? Do they have an opportunity to get in? So I think that I, I've been blown away. I mean the defense clearly under Zimmer with Micah back has become much better and I think McCarthy has just done a really, really good job. I that's as hard of an effort just in terms of guys playing start to finish in a game is I remember in a while from a team that, I mean the season's over, they're not going like what are we doing? Sunday Night Football lights are on and we approach that game like it was win or get into the playoffs. So that was awesome. That really was right down to the final play when Bland stripped that ball away from Irving. So congrats to the Cowboys because it would have been pretty easy to wave the white flag. And I think this is a separating factor in the NFL that so many teams, the Panthers are a good example. We'll dive into them. Like every team worth their salt battles their ass off till the bitter end. Whether you're going to win four games, whether you're going to win nine games, whether you're trying to get the number one overall seed. It's what truly makes the sport special. And partly because if you don't give full effort in this sport at that level, you will get injured, you will get hurt. And just fantastic win by the Cowboys. I actually think it was a pretty impressive effort by the Buccaneers as well. One thing that at this point in time we just have to acknowledge, Baker Mayfield's a top 10 quarterback. Baker Mayfield is a big time player now. And you look at that 2018 draft, obviously Lamar Jackson's won multiple MVPs and became one of the best players, I mean in the history of the league as an all around quarterback, running and passing. Josh Allen might be the most talented player we've ever seen at the position. Those guys are everything you could possibly dream of as first round picks in franchise quarterbacks this 2018. Obviously Josh Rosen's long gone out of the league. Sam Darnold's career was crazy. Not only is he having a career year, he is leading the Minnesota Vikings to the opportunity to get the number one seed and is going to end up throwing for somewhere between 35 and 38 touchdowns. Baker Mayfield, we didn't know if last year was, I don't know, I don't want to say a one year wonder, but like, could it get that much better? I just looked. Only Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow have more touchdown passes than him. And clearly since, you know, I think he's talked about it. He lost a little weight. He moves early on in his career. He reminded me of Johnny Manziel, that he thought like what he could do in college. And Johnny was much more of a runner. But Baker scrambled around a lot at Oklahoma as a playmaker. It's like you got to be really careful. The random defensive lineman will run your ass down. And I remember it might have been Johnny's first start or one of his first games. They were playing the Panthers and he thought it was like, you know, playing some team in college and it was Luke Keakley and he thought he could outrun him to the corner. And Luke Keakley caught him like he was a lion on the Serengeti in like three steps like Johnny. This is a different world. And that used to happen to Baker a lot. He looks dramatically faster. I don't know if it's his confidence, but his running ability is a legit weapon. And then as a pastor, like he's always had an explosive arm. He just now is just a really good player, right? I mean deep balls, intermediate balls, play making, obviously running and listening. They now have the same record as the Atlanta Falcons. The Atlanta Falcons hold the tiebreaker. But do you think Michael Penix, who I thought looked pretty good today, it's one thing playing at home against the worst team in the NFL. I mean there is no one more gutless and just who looks shittier right now than the day Ball led New York Giants, like they are currently in terms of the effort and execution and just overall production. They play with an embarrassment to the NFL. I mean, it's, it's really, really bad. But listen, I can't. It was your first start like I thought. Regardless of the statistics, he looks solid going on the road to Washington. Coming off one of their biggest wins. I Mean, it's got to be like a top five win for the Commanders in the last decade. Now I know a large portion of it was against their backup quarterback, but still Jaden throwing five touchdowns against Fangio in that defense, a lot of momentum. That place is going to be going fucking bananas. It's going to be a tough spot for Pennix and like coaching advantage. I'm going Commanders over the Raheem Morris led operation. But, and I'm a Michael Penix guy, I just think it's going to be challenging. They could easily lose that game. I haven't seen the line yet. They're going to be an underdog in that game. So they control their own destiny. But I think they lose that game. And the Bucks are still very much alive playing the Panthers, which is no easy out the way they're playing and the Saints both at home. So I think if they win those two games, they're still in the playoffs and that'd be back to back playoffs for this guy that replaced Tom Brady. And listen, like, I think the Bucks are solid. It's hard to overcome. They've had a bunch of injuries, obviously losing God win a long time ago. You know, they're playing with some randoms. It's basically they feel a little like the Cowboys. It's like if you can just somehow neutralize Mike Evans, you can at least slow them down. But Baker's throwing fucking balls to. I was like, who's this tight end? What's this guy's name? And I was just really, really impressed. And that play Vita Vea made to stop Ferguson from a first down at the end of the game to force a punt and give the Bucks an opportunity was just fantastic. I mean, what a special player. And was there anybody that once the Bucks got the ball back that didn't believe that Baker at minimum was going to get them in field goal range? Honestly, I thought he was going to lead him down to score a touchdown. And not because the Cowboys defense was playing bad, just because I had that much belief in Baker Mayfield. But you look back at the 2018 draft, you know Allen and Lamar, like hall of Famers. What, Baker and Darnold. Which is kind of ironic just because a couple years ago their careers were in shambles playing together, right? They, they traded for Darnold on the Panthers and a year later they trade for Baker and it was like, this is a disaster. And both those guys left that place and now look at them. It's just, it's just awesome. As a football fan, I loved Watching Baker Mayfield at Oklahoma, I would say, over the last decade plus, he's easily one of my favorite college players to watch. And I remember battling with Coward, who thought you didn't like him coming out because there were a lot of, you know, immaturity questions about him. But I was like, I don't know, man. I think he's so good. He will overcome it. And clearly some maturity stuff. I think his life changed, and I think they've kind of alluded to it and even talked about it. You know, once he got married, had a child, he feels like a different human being. And if you look at Jason Kelsey, when Jason Kelsey became a star player, and he's definitely talked about this, his career was not going that well. There were rumors that he might get traded right around 2016, met his wife, started having kids. Look, when Jason Kelsey started making Pro Bowls in all pro teams, and he never looked back. And I feel like whatever happened once Baker got to Tampa, his life calmed down. He's become a top 10 quarterback. And honestly, he has moments where it's like, that's a top five quarterback on some of these drives, avoiding players, hitting guys, getting hit and still making the throw. He's not just a fun player to watch. Like, he's a really, really good player. And I think Tampa, that situation last year just. They kind of took a flyer on him and he earned it. And this year he's doubled down because he. He was good last year. He's way better this year. And now they just. They got to win the next two games and be the biggest commander fan Sunday night. Which I think, listen, if Atlanta wins that game, they deserve to go to the playoffs. And I think if Atlanta loses that game, what they'll be asking themselves, would we have won this division if we would have spent Cousins a month ago in. My answer is yes. And Colin and I talked about this briefly, but you guys know, I did not like the sequence of events, because having been with these, you know, with a team and knowing the way the buildup is, you have a real. If you're a good gm, you really, really know the draft pool after the combine, who you like, who you don't like. Now, when you're. When you're a good team, like if you're Andy Reed and Veach, you don't have a great idea after the combine, like, who's going to be where, but you got a pretty good idea. The group of 12 to 13 guys that are going to be top 10 picks, but you don't have a Great idea. When you're drafting 31st or 30 seconds, who's going to be there when you pick. But when you leave the combine, if you are decent at your job, you have a really good idea who you like in the top 10, if you have a top 10 pick and who you would want. And when the combine ended, most people knew for a fact like Michael Penix was available in the top 10, like you didn't have to trade up to get him. If you were drafting 8th, he 1000% was going to be there. So for them to do the Cousins move and then do the Penix thing, they did not know they liked Penix when they signed Cousins at that level because if they had, they would not have signed Cousins and they just would have drafted Penix and done what the Bucs did last year. Signed a guy like Baker for 5 million bucks. Sign Sam Darnold for Gardner Minshew and have that guy be Penix's backup. Why? Because Penix is a 24 year old ready made pro prospect. Doesn't mean he was going to be good. But he was not a guy that needed to sit. And I heard Schrager mention it this week that he wasn't getting any reps in practice. Of course not, because the starter gets them all. So when you're the backup you just service the scout team defense. So the Atlanta Falcons, if they do miss the playoffs and the Bucks win these last two games and they lose to the Washington Commanders, that's on the front office because you can't convince me that they would not have been better off with Penix playing this whole time. I don't believe it. His arms much more lively, he's way bigger threat to throw the ball downfield. He's just, he's just a better player today. There is not one coach or GM in the NFL for the next three games that would take Kirk Cousins over Michael Penix. And that was the case five weeks ago. So I just, I think the Bucks got a little lucky because they've had a million injuries. This year has been hard. Baker's played out of his ass obviously throwing all these touchdowns and keeping them in games that like even tonight, like they were getting outplayed and he just kind of willed them to that game. 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Colin Cowherd
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Colin Cowherd
Want to hit on a couple other things? When you're a young player and you get thrown into the fire and you struggle, it's natural. Most guys aren't Micah Parsons or Justin Jefferson that just hit the ground running and become instant stars. Even a lot of guys and whoever your favorite team is that drafts like a guard or a linebacker or something in the third or fourth round and he's just an immediate starter and he's just solid. Like that's, that's an anomaly. Most guys kind of come in and out right if they play wide receiver, tight end, linebacker, db, kind of mix in, have some good plays, have some bad plays, maybe kind of get bench, go back to special teams. It's a work in progress. The sport's really, really difficult physically, mentally, the length of the season, the different schemes that you've never seen in college. It's hard. It's why everyone that was like Caleb Williams and the Bears are going to be awesome. Like, do you guys not realize how difficult this is? So it's why what Jaden did today was mind blowing. But he played five years and got five year starter. Like, he has a lot of reps. Bo, Nick, same thing. Like, these guys have a abnormal amount of reps for being rookie quarterbacks. Bryce Young looked really, really bad. I think we gave him somewhat of a pass last year because the franchise was so bad, right? And rightfully so. It's like, listen, giving them a little pass, just like the Bears, I'm giving them a little pass. We'll see who they hire and we'll hold them to a different standard next year. Then this year started and it felt like he was even worse. It was like, this is crazy. I liked him out of college. It was hard not to. You watched him play at Alabama, but then you watch him in the pros, his second year, you're like, he looks so small. His arm looks terrible. He's inaccurate. You can't function like, this is not, this is not going to work. And he got benched, rightfully so. And let's face it, whenever you get benched in the pros at quarterback, especially a high pick, it's a really, really big story. It was a huge story when Anthony Richardson got benched. I mean, it's a big deal. And Anthony Richardson came back. It kind of looks the same. Inaccurate throw. Some bad picks can run, but it's just like same thing. Bryce Young comes back, he's a completely different human. If you just box score scouted him, it will not tell you how dramatically. Now the bar was really low. But against the Eagles, you watch him today like he's a real player, he makes real plays. They couldn't get a first down with him. He couldn't throw a wheel route. He was completely lost. And maybe it was just simple is he needed to take a step back, he needed to take a deep breath. I don't know what he did. And if you're a Panther fan, maybe you've read articles about this, maybe he's talked about this. I don't know if he went to therapy. I don't know if he just got away from football. I don't know if he just was completely humbled. It doesn't seem like, it's not like he was cocky about it. So I don't know if he needed humility, but it worked. And today he made some awesome, awesome, awesome place with his legs run around. He ran over a defender, threw a couple touchdowns. Chuba Hubbard went nuts. And listen, the Cardinals aren't that good, but like we talked about with the Cowboys this season for the Panthers, once they kind of benched him and came back to him, he's like, whatever, this team's just going to lose every week. Because when he was playing, it felt like they were one of the worst teams we'd ever seen. It's like, this doesn't get any worse. And since he's come back, like, they're a real NFL team, they could beat anyone that's, you know, I'm giving the bucks a win. That's going to be a very difficult game. They just benefit from, you know, the games in Tampa and it's obviously must win for them, but that's going to be hard the way they're playing. So, Bryce, I can't tell you how much respect I have respect for anyone who just goes through a really, really shitty moment in life. And most of the moments that we go through are, you know, depending on your industry or personal life. It's not a public thing. Now, your friends and family may know about it and people in your co workers, but it's a pretty isolated thing. It feels like a big deal. But at that level, to be that public, to be the number one pick, it had to probably feel pretty lonely. And there had to be times where you looked in the mirror and go, do I suck? Am I. Can I play in the NFL? And to find a way to be mentally tough enough to battle through it and come back and play like he's played like that, that's. You don't play for Saban and excel for Saban if you're not a mentally tough motherfucker. And clearly listen, he doesn't have elite talent. He's not. He doesn't throw the ball like Baker, he doesn't run it like Kyler, but he can. He can be an NFL quarterback. And as crazy as that sounds, for a guy that was drafted number one pick like Middlekop, I hope so. Two months ago. No one could say that. No one could say that. You couldn't watch him play and think like, yeah, this guy, this guy could be a starter. And now you watch him, you go like, this guy could be a starter. Now how good? At what level? Like, I'm not going to go there yet. Got a long way to go. But he can be a starter in the NFL for a team that clearly competes every week and they should have a big off season because they should have money and high draft picks. So congratulations to Bryce Young for just battling his ass off the Eagles, I don't want to say lost the game because Jalen got concussed, but Kenny Pickett, I tweeted this out. I will tell my children one day about the stretch of quarterback inflation that we had that guys like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett got drafted in the top 20. I do believe that Mac Jones going 15th is one of the craziest draft picks of my entire life. For example, Trey Lance going three. It's like middle cough. That was an all time bust. We have seen guys be dramatic busts with physical skills that are big, that are athletic, they can throw, get it. But guys with Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett's skill set, the majority of at least my life and the history of the NFL, those guys go in like the fourth through seventh round. And because the quarterback inflation got so out of whack because of guys like Mahomes and Josh Allen that everyone was reaching for quarterbacks and we learned a valuable lesson. You can't do that like the Eagles would they get them for sixth or seventh round pick like they paid the proper price. But I think the Jalen hurts situation today shows you how fast shit can change. Because especially so many of these quarterbacks, like, look at all the good teams. Jared Goff's probably the one guy who doesn't run, but Jordan Love moves, obviously. Jaden Daniels moves. Jalen hurts moves. You just go through the quarterbacks. You know, Baker Mayfield moves that Sam Darnold moves. And obviously the AFC guys all scramble around that forever. It was like you could get hurt, but you were going to get hurt in the pocket. Now because these guys are scrambling around, either sliding or diving, they just open themselves up for an injury. And we're coming down the home stretch before we knew it was a concussion, which in a weird way, I think everyone's relieved because you're like, where what happened to Jalen? He's like, worry something serious and he still got to pass concussion protocol or whatever to go back. But obviously that's way better than some high ankle sprain or broken collarbone or whatever the, you know, list of injuries could be, can change like that. It really can. And that's the thing about this sport that guys get injured, position players get injured. When your quarterback get injured, your entire heart drops and you see Kenny Pickett, like, if Kenny Pickett had to play a lot in a playoff game, the Eagles have, you could argue the best roster top to bottom, you would bet against them because, I mean, he's a backup for a reason, but he's also just a Very flawed player. And in these bigger moments, one thing, like, he could beat the Giants or whatever, but you play him in a playoff game against the Vikings, against the packers, against the Lions, where you had to score a bunch of points, it would be a major, major problem. So I think it just. Sometimes I forget. You just think it's just going to go on, go on. Especially Mahomes. He gets injured, he comes right back. You just realize today how fast things can change. And no one knows that better than the Eagles that experienced that in 2017. When Carson Wentz, all of a sudden he just tears acl and he's just out now. That was the best case scenario. Big dick Nick came in and led him to a Super Bowl. But I think we all know most of the time that is not the way it plays out. Last but not least, I can't get over how bad of a loss that was for the 49ers. Kyle Shanahan's protege was Mike McDaniel. He started working for him in the late 2000s with the Houston Texans. The stories are out there. You know, he had drinking problem. Gary Kubiak actually fired him. And then they brought him back to Washington. He went with him to Cleveland, he went with him to Atlanta. Obviously, he played a huge part in San Francisco and went on to help Kyle Shanahan build up the 49ers and then got the Miami job. And this year has been a disaster. Like, there has been talks in Miami about them firing Mike McDaniel, partly because their owners alone, but just because, like, what is going on? This just. This team just looks shitty. Then the Niners go on the road and lose to him. I just. It's hard to put into words how terrible the 49ers season has been. Today they had nine penalties for 90 yards. On basic things like guys not lining up, you know, on the line of scrimmage, guys being offsides on defense. Like, just pretty basic shit. Where Kyle obviously, field goals continuing to miss because their field goal kicker is an erratic guy. Their defense is a shell of itself. If you told me the 49ers were going to miss the playoffs, I guess I could have seen. At the beginning of the year, it's the NFL. Weird shit happens. I don't know if I could have envisioned it going like this. Last week they score six points at home against the Rams. This week they have 10 points the majority of the game. They can't score against the Miami Dolphins. In. In a game where Debo and Kittle are going nuts and the Purdy thing is, throws a pick to end the game, essentially. And there's talks about 50 the money per year. I hate that because you can manipulate any contract in the NFL. Clearly when you're talking a quarterback contract, though, that they're talking about with purdy, you're talking 170 to 200 million dollars. And I just don't know how these last two games, the games have ended on his interceptions. And last week they tell you, well, Juwan Jennings got bumped. Why are we throwing double move passes to Juwan Jennings with the game on the line? How does that make any sense? Today there's not a soul in sight. He hits the Miami Dolphins guy right in the hands as he's getting destroyed. This is a business. And you can make mistakes financially on most contracts because most of them aren't that detrimental. Big picture, because they're not even a $50 million guarantee. It's like it's over in a year and a half. When you guarantee 170, $200 million, that is like a three year window. I was looking the other day, I think at Trevor Lawrence's, like, they are in bed with Trevor Lawrence for the next three seasons. The contract starts next year. Really kick it in. That was the big thing with Russell Wilson's. It was like, it really kicks in now. So I think when you invest in these contracts, just because the market's the market, I have a hard time with that logic. Like, yeah, if you want a big time quarterback, it costs $200 million. Well, the guy better be a big time quarterback. If you just want to pay like, we like the guy, but the market's the market, then that's on you. I never have a problem seeing these high end elite guys getting a ton of money. CD Lamb. Every time I watch him, like, yeah, I would have paid him to. Justin Jefferson is like, Jesus. Like Randy Moss 2.0. TJ Watt, like, shit, Underpaid. And then you see these quarterbacks, you go, yeah, Lamar, Josh, I mean the, the Tampa Bay bucket. Jason Light does cartwheels every day down the hallway knowing that he got Baker Mayfield for $100 million. To think that you would pay Brock Purdy based on what we're seeing this year. Again, I'm not acting like you cut the guy, but he still has another year. $200 million. I, I couldn't do it. I, I couldn't. And listen, if Kyle's adamant about it, someone needs to step in. And I'm not pro front office people, owners meddling. But there has to be some Common sense. And sometimes, you know, you're kind of too close to the sun to kind of see everything. And that's how it feels like with Kyle. If he truly is dead set on, like, yeah, Brock, star guy, I'll give him the market value. That's just. It's one thing. Everyone's going to make a mistake. A draft pick, a free agent signing. It's football. It happens. When you sign a quarterback to these huge deals, you clearly have all this information. Like, the Atlanta Falcons knew Kirk Cousins was coming off an Achilles. They knew Kirk Cousins, I think, had won one career playoff game. Like, they had that he was 36, 37 years old. Like, they had that information. But when you sign your own guy, like the Miami Dolphins did, McDaniel spent every day for two years around the guy. Like they knew what they were getting. He'd already showed him the packers kind of rare situation where it's like, yeah, we're kind of betting on the come. But they had still spent four years around the guy. The 49ers, now he's been the starter for three years. They've seen the good, but they're really starting to see the bad. And when you pay a guy, look at the Chiefs, you just don't have as many options, right? Because that money impacts your cap in a lot of ways when you're just paying these huge salaries. And once that starts happening, even as the salary cap goes up, it's harder to build a good team. So I. I think there has to be some deep breaths taken. Like, this is a fluid conversation. And as of right now, I. I'd be in play it out mode. We got another year. You're making a lot of money off the field. We like you, but here's the Baker Mayfield contract. Is he better player in Baker Mayfield right now? Is he. I mean, I'm watching Baker Mayfield for $100 million, about to throw probably 40 touchdowns on the season. It's like, well, Baker Mayfield has no. His team's been injured all year long. I mean, injuries left and right. Mike Evans missed half the season. Godwin's leg got pointed the other way. They didn't find out Bucky Irvin was sweet till, like, halfway through the season, they have a new offensive coordinator, make $100 million total. That was his contract. $33 million a year. I don't know, man. I'm just not one of these. The market's the market. That feels like, yeah, the market's the market. If I got a sweet hall of Fame quarterback, if I don't. Then we got to have real conversations because if we want to win here, we can't win maxing you out. 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