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Aloha everybody. How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is having a good week as we lead in to week one of the college football season. We got the NFL, the National Football League right around the corner. Amari Cooper's on the Raiders again. We got Trey Hendrickson signing a contract. Terry McClaurin officially puts ink to paper. Gets a little raise, I guess. Gets a contract extension, not a raise. We will dive into that a little bit later this week, but on Friday, before I jumped on a bird and flew to Hawaii. Aloha everybody. I interviewed and Talked with, interviewed, Be strong. We just, we BS'd about football. Derek Brown from the Fantasy Pros, the number one fantasy football podcast in America. Not even close. They're partners with the volume. So I said, you know what, let's talk some balls. So I, I threw some theories through some different guys and we just, we talk players. I know a lot of you guys, the majority of you guys are big fantasy football guys. Whether you're in a dynasty league, whether you're just in a auction league, whether you're in a, you play daily fantasy. We talk a lot of football. So that will be the show today. Derrick Brown, fantasy pros. That's it. So if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three now podcast. If you like the video version of the podcast, we got you covered. YouTube and subscribe to everything. But first, before we dive in, you know I got to tell you about my friends, my partners and the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. Best ticketing app in America. Honestly, I don't even think it's close. So you guys know the drill if you want to go to one of these football games, football's here. There's no more excuses anymore. The games are here. We wait all year long, all summer long for football and it is finally here. So if you want to go to one of those games, obviously baseball, the playoffs right around the corner, any sporting event, obviously, concerts, comedy shows, it doesn't get any easier. Best taking the app I've ever used. I've been saying it forever and I stand by it. Game Time. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game Time. Download the Game Time app right now. Create an account and use a code John for $20 off terms of apply again. Create an account, redeem the code John. J O H N. That's how I spell my name. For $20 off down the Game Time app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. Let's dive into the interview fired up because I know a lot of my listeners basically. I mean you can't find anyone that follows football that doesn't dabble in fantasy football. And Fantasy Pros is just an absolute juggernaut on the, on the podcast streets. And this is when they make their hay for these next three or four months, baby. So very, very fired up to have a member of the family. Derek Brown, member of the Fantasy Pros. How you doing man?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (5:08)

Doing good, brother. It's been a long time since we've hopped on the mics. I think it was like pre draft process, not last Year, but the year before, so happy to be back on and talking ball with man, you're one of the sharpest in the space. So glad to be doing this today.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (5:21)

Well, this time of year, there's a lot going on, right? And you know, you guys look at it like I look at it. Spend so much time, press conferences, training camp reports, knowing what and what not to balance when it comes to preseason action. I just was looking at your Twitter. You know, it's hard not to get excited when you watch Jackson Dart play, right? But. But you got to factor in from a fantasy standpoint is like, when is Jackson Dark going to play? And I was texting with someone the other day. I remember. I don't know if you remember this, but the Raiders, they signed Matt Shop and it's like he was going to be the. The starting quarterback for Dennis Allen, and they drafted Derek Carr in the second round. Now it was picked 35. So it's a couple, you know, seven, eight spots later in Jackson Dart, he played so well in the preseason. It was like, what are we doing? And he got to start right away. So we're recording this on August 22nd. I would never say never with this stuff, you know, and, you know, you don't. He's not going to have to announce it, right, for another week and a half. But do you think something like that, how do you approach, like, Jackson Dark? Because if you tell me he's a starter, I know their schedule's hard, but why couldn't he throw 25 touchdowns this year, right?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (6:38)

Oh, absolutely. And plus, he's going to add the equity with his legs. We saw that in college and in the preseason. So I. I mean, I see the problem is middle cop is like, looking at their schedule. It's like, where's the easy spot where you lean him in? And then they don't have a bye week until week 14. So it's like, if you're going to toss the guy in, you're probably just going to have to toss him into the deep end. Now, I will say I do think this comes down to two big factors. One, it's going to be, how does Russ play? I think he's going to start the year as a starter where we're at right now because Russ didn't, like, look like he fell on his face. But looking at their schedule, I just keep looking at week 11 versus the Green Bay Packers. Like, it seems like a really good spot to ease Jackson Darden. Now, the problem with all of this, and you know this as well as I do is now that Jackson dart played well in the preseason. If Russ doesn't start off great and if this schedule gets the better of the Giants, how fast in that type of media climate do we start hearing all the calls for Jackson would never last that long.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (7:36)

Yeah exactly.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (7:37)

I agree, I agree because the media is going to go after it immediately as soon as like Russ falters at all.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (7:43)

And you look really the quarterbacks for the most part over the last couple of years like Bo Nick's immediate starter. Caleb immediately started Drake May should have been but I mean ended up playing what 12 games. You know the Pennix things was weird. I mean I would say in most scenarios a guy with his port, you know resume would have been an immediate starter but they had just given cousins $90 million. So you know it's just now this is people like middle cuff talk the big time player. So let's just, let's just dive in to the most overhyped and most under hyped. And I got an overhyped guy for you because I've been hearing this name for a couple years and it's like I understand he's really talented. I have a buddy here in Arizona that I play golf with. It was a high school coach and a lot of blue chip guys come out here on his team. He had like Mark Andrews. He said by far the best player I saw coaching was Bijan Robinson. It was like he was like an NFL player in high school. He's like he was incredible and obviously gets drafted high and it's like he's going to go potentially number one in a lot of drafts and auctions get paid. They just lost multiple offensive linemen this week and I heard someone say this that Michael Penix in his couple starts at the end wasn't really big on throwing him the ball. And if you watch Michael Penix he is, you know he will sling that thing down the field. He's not really, I wouldn't call him check down Charlie. Is Bijan Robinson a little overhyped at this time of year right now when he especially when you factor in the current situation with their, with their offensive line injuries.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (9:12)

I don't think he's overhyped in the sense of, I mean again I think we, you're splitting hairs when it comes down to like fantasy wise like the top three to five running backs and where we look at all those guys. I think from the volume and the talent aspect I, I fully understand like all the offensive line stuff and the questions about my like his past game involvement because we know what Pennix wants to do. I, I go back to two things, Bijan. The talent profile and the volume are going to sustain him regardless. Tyler is going to have his own standalone role. But with Pennix, as far as the pass game volume, I mean the Darnell mooney is not 100 probably to start this year. I mean we've got no great concrete reports on him from Raheem Morris. And I get it, you know, like they don't have to release anything at this time of the year. But we know the two pillars of that offense are going to be Drake London and Bijan Robinson and that offense is going to run through them. So I think like the volume and a talent standpoint, like even with the offensive line concerns, I still think he's gonna be a top three pick. And I get it. Like, I mean he's still my RB1 overall, but I understand if people want to poke holes in it.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (10:14)

Who for? You? You have an overhyped guy currently that a lot of people are talking about as one of the top fantasy guys coming in that you're not. You're a little lukewarm on at this, at this time, man.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (10:26)

This. There's two different guys and I want to get your thoughts on these guys. And, and I think they both had very middling kind of up and down rookie seasons. Marvin Harrison Jr. And this is right in your backyard. Marvin Harrison Jr. I don't know because in fantasy circles he's being ranked as like a top 24 wide receiver. Everybody's back all in and I don't know if it's just the name Cachet or what have you, but I'm like what about this entire situation change from last year? Like they didn't add any other receiving talent. Drew Petzing still calling the offense and it was back and forth type of usage. Like it was like almost like they didn't understand the player that they drafted. They were running them on clear routes, a lot of vertical breaking stuff to begin the season. That changed throughout the year. But his mismatch with Kyler Murray isn't great either because Kyler from the standpoint, I mean he's basically kind of like Dollar Store Russ 2.0 doesn't utilize the field and he's got to get out, out of the pocket to really utilize the middle of the field. It's like I don't know what's changed with him. And then Xavier worthy, like he didn't really pop last year until the Rasheed Rice role was Dumped in his lap when Rice was out for the whole season. His separation metrics are not great. Like yes, Rice is going to miss time. But there's nothing analytically that I can point to outside of oh, it's Patrick Mahomes, one of his receiving weapons and he's a second year wide receiver and he runs really fast to get really hyped up about these guys. So like I think they're overhyped currently where they're at where they're going in drafts. But what do you think about them.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (11:52)

If we want to start with start with worthy. You know, Mahomes has talked about in this training camp of having more of an emphasis of pushing the ball down the field. Obviously, you know, given their situation, he would be the guy he's essentially talking about because of the speed. We have seen Andy deal with players like this. You know, desean was a just a better player. I mean but you know, Sky Moore was drafted really high or relatively high right early mid second round. It was a blazer but it could never really worked right. Or you know, the guy thought about it like that. So the one thing with the Chiefs has been a little hit or miss. I do think that they will figure that out. I mean they don't have a choice. As Travis ages, I mean they, they drafted him at the end of the first round. Didn't they trade up if I remember correctly with the Bills. Right. Did a little flip to get them. So I again where he like where you would draft him, it would not shock me. I don't know from a catch standpoint is he going to have like 80 catches, but I could see him having seven, eight touchdowns. You know, that's in using utilizing him in different schematically. Who was it? Who's the other guy you said to open up with?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (12:59)

Marvin Harrison Jr.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (13:00)

Here's my thing and I remember a buddy of mine that coaches for wide receivers for an NFL team said because he thought he was a little overhyped coming out, not that he was a bad player or whatever, but talking about like some generational talent.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (13:14)

Yep.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (13:14)

He's like he is going to go up against which he did not in the Big Ten most weeks or decent amount of times a Pro bowl level corner because he's going to be their number one guy and that guy is going to be late 20s, maybe married with multiple kids, with a big ass house and making a ton of money. And that guy's a badass. And Marvin in the Big Ten, it's not the SEC in terms of the Defensive secondary personnel wasn't really tested like that. And even his dad said, because I remember watching an interview with Marvin Sr. And Marvin Jr. He said, the difference between me and my son is when I'm not getting the ball, I am lighting the OC and Peyton up. And like, that's my personality. I'm aggressive. And he's like, my son just is quiet. And that was the wide receivers coach's point is like, that's not really his personality. Like a Jamar Chase, like a Justin Jefferson, just like some of the great Debo Samuel, like, give me the rock. It's not really his thing. And then this offensive, like Malik neighbors.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (14:11)

Has been 100% out there chirping too. He gets ticked off. He doesn't get the volume.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (14:14)

I think most people, Marvin was safe and I remember had a personnel guy tell me the reason that the before that draft, the reason he would take Marvin over Malik. Malik's just a little bit of a wild guard, but the talent, like it's wasn't the same. Marvin's a great route runner. He's got a lot like his dad, right. But then he comes in this offseason, now he's all jacked. He's added a bunch of muscle. I'm with you. I think again, he's a good player. I do think the hype, because of the name obviously was drafted really high now. He was going to get drafted in any draft in the top 15. Ish. But when you go like, what do you go four people just expect to see, you know, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones and it's just that's, that's more Malik Neighbors from a talent standpoint, right. And Kyler's not Philip Rivers or, you know, Peyton, man, he's not going to pick you apart. Like, it's really more of just kind of gunsling and running around. I'm out on the Cardinals just as a team and especially offensively because of him. Now, Trey McBride, he's going to get his numbers. But if you put Trey McBride, like you put him on the Chiefs or something, he'd be like, he's gonna catch 120 passes, right? Dude, they do have some talent. But. And that's, you know, Kyler's an interesting fantasy guy because I heard, I was listening to something and he's had over when he's healthy, like he has productive seasons, right? Because he throws some touchdowns, he runs around. But it's like he's actually an interesting fantasy player. But he's not a good. He's good I guess, but he's not like a winning NFL player, I would say. Where Jalen Hurts, for example, I mean, I mean, he's got to be one of the better fantasy quarterbacks currently, right?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (15:53)

Oh, absolutely. Jalen Hurts is top five and pretty much any aspect or rankings that you'll find. And I agree with you on Kyler and just the thing with. And, and I want to clarify, yes, I'm absolutely all in on Trey McBride. I'll draft James Connor where he goes in fantasy circles. But the other parts of that offense, like Marvin Harrison Jr. Kyler, people can miss me with them. It's just, I think Kyler is who we. We know who he is at this point of his career. It's. He'll have the spike weeks when the matchups are there, but the volatility week to week is just absolutely maddening. And then a lot of that comes down to just how he plays quarterback, man. Like, it's just not consistent. He's not running the offense on a consistent basis, getting 1 to 2 to 3, utilizing the middle of the field. So it's just too volatile for me.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (16:37)

I got an underhype guy because I like Seattle this year. I think they're going to be pretty good. And you know, obviously, you know, Jackson Smith is a guy, maybe that's who, you know, think I was going to say, but I'm not. I mean, I think he's an excellent player. He's going to have a big year, he's going to have a great career. But I don't think anyone's really talking about Cooper cup, who. I think sometimes you see wide receivers, little older guys that have been banged up a little bit. I mean, this happens in the NFL at any position. A former all pro, former whatever, has a weird year, a couple weird years because of injuries, and then still has like one more like swan song, maybe a couple years with someone else. The Ravens have made a living off these type guys over the years, but Cooper Cup, I think if you just pulled the average guy, like what was his season like, you'd be like, he got like 25 balls last year, got 67, had 67 catches and in six touchdowns. We know Sam Darnold likes to sling that thing around. We saw him last year. And the offense, which is Kubiak, which is a Shanahan thing, which, you know, McVeigh runs a little bit different, but still has a lot of the same things. Like if he stays healthy, who's to say that Cooper cup couldn't have 75, 80 catches and I don't know, seven to nine touchdowns. I mean I just think no one's talking about him. If you like Seattle, which I think they're going to be good this year I would expect Cooper cup because Jackson Smith, no brainer. Right. But if you think Sam Darnold is going to continue just to play solid, he's a pretty interesting fantasy guy that you wouldn't have to spend much money on or you could draft really late.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (18:06)

I, I don't disagree at all and I was really surprised when I got deep into my write ups this off season how how good he was on a per route basis. It just comes back down to the health man. Like can he stay healthy if he could stay healthy. I mean everything he put up on the field last year he still has the juice. I mean like his per route metrics were still fantastic. 2.1 yards per route run. And the thing that opened my eyes middle cough was it wasn't just the, the the per route analytics. It was the fact if you go deeper agnostic of quarterback play this guy was actually in separation and route win rate metrics even better as a boundary wide receiver than he was from the slot last year. So what that tells me is like if he's healthy he still got the juice where he was top 24 in separation and route win rate for as a boundary wide receiver last year. Which I'm kind of curious how, how much do you think he plays on the outside this year? Because I think Seattle's going to run a lot of 12, maybe some 21 personnel more condensed formations with Kubiak there Now Elijah Royal, A.J. barner. Do you think they're going to run a lot of 12 and 21 this year? Like 50 50.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (19:13)

I think they've been, I've read some reports like they've been moving Jackson around a little bit. Right. Because I think when he came out people are like he's just going to be the next elite slot receiver. Like I think they think he's good enough. Like he's going to be the total package kind of like I mean Cooper cup can do everything. They're kind of similar. You know he will ideally want to become a Cooper cup like player can do it all rely on in big games. I yeah I mean I think wouldn't shock me at all. I mean they're going to want to run the ball. Wasn't that a big issue they had with Ryan Grubb as he can be a little pass happy and didn't run the ball. Now can Kenneth Walker stay healthy. You know, Charbonnet has had a pretty good. They got some interesting guys from a fantasy perspective. If their offense is to going good, they have a lot of guys that could be pretty productive. Right. Charbonnet could be a big physical goal line back and they might just give him the ball no matter what. I love Kenneth Walker. Can he stay healthy? I think both these two wide receivers. Who, who are the, who are their tight ends?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (20:06)

A.J. barner and Elijah Royer. Yeah, so I, I think, I mean Barner's going to be your inline guy, Arroyo is going to be your slot guy. They're going to play mismatches, probably get him down the scene with his athletic as he is. Even though we didn't get testing metrics. I mean dude, I saw that guy just absolutely like eviscerate corners, linebackers, everybody. Like you can all like I could walking away from Senior bowl and mobile last year. This let. This past season he, he arguably had like one of the most impressive weeks out of anybody down there. Like nobody could guard him.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (20:37)

I've said this forever. If their head coach instead of being a defensive guru was a Shanahan guy or an Andy Reid guy, we'd be talking about this team a lot differently. But we just discriminate against defensive guys and we all agree like this guy is pretty freaking sharp defensive mind. And you just. Their talent on their team is now their tackle position. You know, offensive line wise. You know, Sam Kenny, was that a one year wonder situation? The situation was perfect, but I think the situation is pretty good. You know, this the also the carryover of understanding to going from Kyle to o' Connell to then Kubiak who was with him with Kyle, it's just, it's a pretty easy landing spot for him. Kind of his breakout year. Then he goes to get paid. It's not like he's just going to randoms, right?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (21:24)

Yep. And I agree with you too. And I don't think a lot of people off the top of their heads could tell you Seattle win 10 games last year and this team, I mean.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (21:32)

If Darren won 27 the last three, I think people think they've just got sucked. Like they have. Pete Carroll got fired or quit or whatever happened. They were not a three win team. He won nine that year.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (21:45)

Well, and the other thing, like where do you put their defense? I think their defense is going to take a huge step. Like they're probably going to be a top. Top what? Top 7, top 10 at least unit this year.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (21:53)

How many good DBs they have a ton right?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (21:56)

A ton. And they added iman worry in the draft like when he hits the ground running if all those physical tools like I know he's a little bit rough around the edges but he hits the ground running in this system. Like you're talking about a guy that could step up and maybe like back half of this season he's their, their, their Kyle Hamilton like their mismatch like chess piece. That defense is going to be nasty.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (22:16)

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Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (28:15)

You know, and speaking of that Division, you know McCaffrey who when he's healthy is probably one of the greatest fantasy players of all time, right? Especially with Kyle, I mean he's like a match made in heaven. But you know, last year I kept saying like, everyone's overblowing this. He'll be fine, he'll be fine. And then I thought he was fine and then was it like Friday he got soreness and then he ended up not playing Sunday and then the rest is history. So I. He's an interesting guy now. He's been healthy and like him and Kittle, obviously they're going to have to rely on. I still think their offense is going to be okay. They have some wide receiver issues, but to me that would even add to like him and Kittle. Just if you tell me those guys are healthy this season, kiddo, I feel pretty good about but McCaffrey, I just don't see how they don't have MA. Both of them don't have massive seasons.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (29:00)

Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. And I want to get your thoughts on Ricky Piersol because Beast I think like last year was. Oh, same same. I'm all in on him this year. Like I keep bumping him higher and higher my ranks. I just watched all of his all 22 from the preseason this past Sunday and you can see on the the pre season and I know it's a, it's a limited sample but you could see with the chemistry between him and Purdy like he was running a crosser through zone. I think it was week two of the preseason. It was against the Raiders instead of.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (29:32)

Yeah, yeah.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (29:32)

And instead of him getting washed out in his own coverage. He stops and he sits down in the zone coverage. And I'm like, that's it, baby. That's exactly. That's pointing to chemistry. That's reps in the off season making it to the field so extreme. I'm over the moon with Pierce.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (29:47)

I think the worry with him is, you know, separate him getting shot. Even though I think they just traded for Brian Robinson, who was also shot. So they got the all shot team right now. They, they got. Which is why they like that. I mean, those guys are both, you know, Ricky's a tough guy, but physically, like, he's had some hamstring issues. He had a, you know, shoulder issue that I was listening to some of my guys do a local podcast that there was a practice the other day and he fell on it and he was like grimacing. Now he, he didn't like leave practice or anything, but it's just when he plays 17 games, that'll be a first, you know, so we got that. That, that would be my worry. If you tell me he's healthy, Purdy's going to. Him and Kittle would just go nuts in the passing game. Those two guys especially, who knows what iuk's going to be. But you know, now you could argue most of these wide receivers just around the league, a lot of them get dinged up a lot. The high end guys, I mean the Eagles, both their guys get banged up. We got Malik Neighbors, he's banged up, you know, Jamar Chase, somewhat of an outlier, fully healthy last year, right? Jefferson's been banged up. So it's one of those positions that like, if I tell you all these guys that I just listed play all the time, CD Lamb, they'll put up huge numbers. But at any moment these guys, they're like, I don't know, you know, sports cars that you, you get a, you get a ding on it, you got to go in and all of a sudden it's a ten grand to like fill in like a little putty on the side of the Ferrari. And there are a lot of them. I mean, the league is loaded with wide receivers, but like, is there a guy from a value because we all know the sexy big names, but is there a guy that in the top 10 ish. That's like, ah, yeah. Wasn't really thinking about him because I think IUK a couple years ago became that guy.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (31:22)

Right?

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (31:23)

He had a big season. Is there a guy that there's not Chase or CD Lamb that you're like, I like that dude.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (31:30)

Man, I, I keep going back and we'll go back, we'll circle back to the Falcons. I think this is the monster Drake London season incoming. I think everything's lining up for him. He's, he's like really hit his stride last year with Robinson throwing him inside, giving him more easy design looks, a little more slot work, him stepping forward as the clear guy out of this Arthur Smith nonsense over the last few years. And if Pinnocks can be the guy that we think he can be collectively. The other thing that I think gives Drake London, it's not only the volume, it's not only the fact that he's going to be a centerpiece of the offense. It's we're going to get downfield usage and we haven't seen that over the last few years because of the quarterback play last year being limiting and in previous years we're going to get some Drake like back shoulder bombs down the field from Michael Penix and I'm excited, man, I'm excited. I think he's going to step into some rarefied air. He might lead the NFL in targets this year.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (32:23)

Yeah, totally. I mean I. We'll find out. We can talk about the Bears like it with, with Ben Johnson going there is their arrow pointing up and with the Lions is their arrow pointing down. But you know, I was thinking about this. I thought, what was the second preseason game where Rome had a bad drop and I was like, I liked Rome a lot, but is there a chance, like he was actually overrated and it was like panics, you know, it's like the reverse of Mike Evans and Johnny Manziel where Mike Evans kind of made Johnny Did Penix kind of make room? Because I'm watching Rome like, God, I thought this guy was really good. I don't know. I'm rooting for him. I'm a fan. But he makes me a little nervous.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (32:58)

He makes me a little nervous too. And I've been largely below consensus compared to a lot of other people in the fantasy space on the Bears offense. Like, I get the Ben Johnson steam, I understand it. But I have my own standalone concerns about Caleb Williams. We haven't seen him support even one high end weapon. I understand the problems of that offense and all the stuff about Shane Waldron and stuff like I still don't think enough people lay things at Caleb Williams's feet last year for how rough his rookie season went. Totally. And they're just expecting Ben Johnson to come in here and I'm like, I think Caleb can have A solid season if he can just run the freaking offense. And if he does that, he can have a solid season. But if he, he might not live up to the hype where people walk away from this year and say, okay, took a step forward, but it still didn't meet my expectations. And I'm with you on Rome. Like, I can't point to an analytical reason to really believe in Roma Dunes and I loved him as a prospect, but again, like, once you hit the NFL, maybe our preconceptions or how we viewed as a prospect needs to change a little bit whenever these guys are running against NFL competition.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (34:00)

I agree. And if it, if Rome, I mean, people, he was drafted, what, ninth or tenth? Ninth, I think.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (34:06)

Yeah.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (34:06)

Like, I mean, the expectations, when you're drafted in the first round alone, like, it's like I say this about Ricky Pearsall. Like he was a first round pick. I know it was the end of the first round. But Xavier Worthy, that's, that's a big pick for these teams that were just in the Super Bowl. That's their first asset in the draft. When you are a top 1012 picket wide receiver, the expectation is for you to be a Pro bowl level guy. And you know, we might look back, it's like Marvin's got some issues, Rome's got some issue. Malik neighbors in a different universe than those guys, which, you know, it's kind of. I mean, some people were saying that and I think a lot of people push back. But the Lions, there's no disputing. Ben is really freaking good. And like you said, the Caleb, he's got a little Russell Deshaun Watson to his game. And that's not how Ben Johnson became a star with Jared Goff, who can't move more than me or you. So it's like, that's why you look at the lines. You're like, are they just so good? Even with Johnny Morton, who's kind of got a weird career trajectory, like all these coaches in the league, Gruden, Sean Payton, Dan Campbell, they love the guy. It's like, well, in this day and age, it's pretty hard not to become a pretty sweet offensive coordinator and get these jobs all the time. He's like, he's never getting these jobs. So I get Dan Campbell has known him for a while and makes him the offensive coordinator. But I don't know, I mean, it's just. There is something to be said about some people just better play callers regardless of the players. Right? You just have an innate feel if you're Kevin O', Connell, Kyle McVeigh, Sean Payton, Andy Reid. We see a lot of these guys are like, I don't know. He's just, he's just. It's not even much about the players. He has no feel for the game. And that's what I always get worried about. Whenever you make a big coordinator change, you don't have a guy that. We've seen it with the Eagles. Right. I mean, when it's good, it's good. When it's bad, it's bad. Yep.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (35:52)

Yeah. I don't disagree about Morton at all.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (35:55)

I just don't even know. I don't even know where I come down. I don't really even have a strong take.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (35:58)

I just, I think, I think it was an. I think it was more of a familiarity because if you trace all like Morton and Campbell's winding road through the NFL, both of them come from that Sean Payton tree. Both of them were on the same staff in New Orleans and I think part of it was that. So the familiarity, the. There's a relationship there. I'm a little bit higher on the Lions in that transition now. I understand like Ragnow getting hurt. Some of the other parts of pieces like Zeitler's gone to the O line, people have questions about now. The Lions have done a good job of like with their draft picks, kind of insulating themselves from some of these things. But still changes, change and especially O line continuity is huge. When you do have a statue type of quarterback, he ain't moving off the spot, not creating a ton off schedule. He needs that offensive line to make that wall for him. I am a little bit higher on the Lions or I'm not projecting as much regression as some people, not everybody, not because of Ben Johnson and not giving him his flowers and respect. But I also go back to like, Dan Campbell is an offensive minded head coach and I think because of the rah, rah, rah, rub some dirt on it, that kind of gets lost in the conversation sometimes of like his background as a tight end, offensive assistant and stuff like that, now he's not calling the plays. And I think that questions about Morton are, are very fair and it's a reason to be concerned. But with all these players, like the talent levels of all them, like you really got to screw this up like big time, I think to like fall in their face. Like there's still going to be a really good offense. But the question is, can they, can they be a top three to five offense this year with all of the Circle. I think it's. I think it's still in the range of outcomes. I think I comfortably still pegged them, like, top 10, top five is gonna. Their O line is going to have to produce.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (37:41)

Who's your group, top three to five that you feel pretty confident moving forward.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (37:46)

As far as NFL offenses.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (37:48)

Yeah. Because to me, that's how I kind of gauge it. Your offense is sweet. I'm just interested in your players. If you got Josh Allen playing 17 games, you're gonna have some guys putting up some big stats. You got Lamar Jackson, obviously, Joe Burrow. Those are the three we've kind of drawn to if the line. If we just remove the Lions, even if they just take a slight step back, like, you know, because the Chiefs haven't been there. Right. Even though they've been one of the best teams. The 49ers, statistically, last year were really good. They just struggled to score points, which obviously is a problem in fantasy. But I mean, the. I think Minnesota is a pretty big question mark.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (38:20)

Yep. Philly's still in that conversation for top five, definitely. Depending on what we get out of. I mean, the Lions are definitely in the fringe. You talked about the Vikings. We got questions about jj. Can he be who I hope he could be? And everybody else, man. I think. Tell me. Tell me your thoughts on the Broncos, because I think they're a team that really could break into that top five conversation this year if Nicks takes that next level of all the parts of pieces kind of coalesce and stuff. Like, we're hearing really good reports about Pat Bryant and Troy Franklin and. And RJ Harvey. Like, they've injected a lot of youth and explosiveness. Do you think they can enter that top five kind of conversation?

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (38:57)

And how much easier is to play offense when your defense is really good?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (39:00)

Oh, dude, their team is gonna be top five, man. It's gonna be so nasty. Like, teams are gonna. Whether it's certain or Jeda Baron locking dudes down in the nickel. Teams are going to be frustrated going a mile high this year.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (39:11)

I think they're gonna be really good, and I think they're going to be. I think the Chargers are going to come back to earth a little bit. Just.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (39:19)

I think the Broncos win the AFC West. Is that a crazy take?

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (39:21)

3 to 1 right now. 3 to 1 on DraftKings and you can get.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (39:25)

I've already bet it. I've already bet it, baby.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (39:27)

It was actually higher. And it's kind of come down to Sean, like, to start the pre. To start the Training camp and Sean Payton's basically just saying like, yeah, I've been coaching for 25 years. I've had been around six teams. This is one of them that I think can win it all. And I don't think, you know, if you watch the Cowboys documentary, Jimmy would just talk sometimes to talk to kind of. I think Sean Payton truly believes it. Like he's not, he is not bullshitting. He loves Bo Nix. Nope. He loves this team. He likes the group. I mean if you watched him last year, I mean you could just kind of see it coming. They just needed to add a couple more pieces. But team speed wise, their defense is fast and physical, their pass rush is excellent, their DBs are good. What's the dude they just drafted from Texas in the first round. I saw him make a couple plays in preseason.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (40:07)

Yep.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (40:08)

And like you said, offensively now he. Is he overhyping the running back a little bit from ucf? He loves him.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (40:15)

I mean I was a big RJ Harvey, Stan. I pre draft, I had him inside of my top five rb, so I was in on it. I think a lot of people were pushed off because of the age and you know, the ACL history and stuff. But skill set wise, he checks a ton of boxes, man. Like he's, he's got some high end pass game reps. If you go back in his, his collegiate history and stuff, I think he can definitely play in the past game. Pass pro is probably the biggest worry with him. But Peyton's even come out and said like, look like. I think it's one of the reasons why they added Dobbins. I think it's gonna be Harvey on, on especially like first and second down and Dobbins coming in on third down. So like Harvey's gonna run his routes on those early downs. But I'm in on Harvey. I definitely love him.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (41:02)

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Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (44:54)

What's your thoughts on the Texans? Because I mean defensively know they're going to be really good. Offensively you make the offensive coordinator change. Cj, I would say relative to his rookie obviously had a rough year. Yeah, Nico's a absolute monster. You know, if he's healthy, you know, Tank's career is probably in some jeopardy after the devastation. I mean it's hard to even think about watching him land on the ground because he was a stud. But you know, last year I thought they, I like picked him to be the one seed. I had a little juice on them like 8 to 1. It might have been a year early because I think their defense going to dominate and offensively if they're just solid, if you look at that division, could they be a, you know, C.J. guy throwing 35 touchdowns this year?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (45:34)

I, I think you were at a year early. I think we were all a year early. I, I, I absolutely agree with everything you outlined there and I think like their defense is going to be a top five unit this year. I mean they are just stacked everywhere you look. Lassiter hitting the ground running last year was a big, big win for them where they got him in the draft adding a few more parts and pieces. That secondary, their pass rush is nasty. I've got a few tickets on Will Anderson for defensive player of the year, so I'm in on him taking another step forward this year. What do with their offense? Oh God, man. I think I, yeah it was, it was really good odds. Really good odds. Like if I could double it down I would even, I'd press the button even right now. So anybody listen to this, you know, head to the books, press it now man, because he's a guy like if everything cos is like we're talking about high end sack numbers, like could post some outrageous sack numbers considering all the other D line talent there. But the offense is where it all comes down to like that that's the ceiling element of this team. Could CJ bounce back and it really everybody the first thing out of their mouth is going to be their offensive line and I just want their offensive line to be league average and I think that's possible. I'm not saying like I love the parts or pieces but Metal coffee. We also lived in a world last year where a lot of these same dudes were on this depth chart. Last year and everybody wasn't worried about their offensive line until they cratered. So, like adding these parts or pieces to it, I think they're just looking at this as like a sum of the parts. And if they can play better as like a unit and the continuity is there, then if we get league average, play with other. Again, this is a team that added a bunch of firepower as far as through the passing game. Like, I love Jaden Higgins as a prospect. Jalen Noel was my guy throughout the entirety of the draft process. And so you have insulation there if Kurt goes down. Like, I think they're ready to roll on offense. They just need the blocking up front just to be average.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (47:29)

I think a lot of people place the blame, I mean, clearly on the offensive coordinator is he just did not do a good job and then it kind of unraveled and they lost their confidence or whatever and it kind of just. It just started looking worse and worse as the season went on that they think the cohesion, I mean, play calling, let's face it, you can make. I mean, McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan haven't exactly had like the mid-90s Cowboys offensive lines over the years, right? So you. You can. You can scheme around. Like, to me, you can't. It's hard to scheme like sweet pass rushers. You either got Will Anderson or Nick Bose or Aiden Hutchinson. You could scheme around some random offensive linemen, but you can also. Those guys can expose you fast. I want to get you out of here. I got two teams that I think are huge swing teams. The Colts. If you tell me they went 10, 7 and Daniel Jones resurrects his career, I'd be like, I bet Tyler Warren, Jonathan Taylor, hell, even Daniel Jones probably has pretty good fantasy year. If you tell me they could win six, seven games, I'd be like, I'd stay away from that group. Same thing with the Rams, which is obviously predicated on a guy's back. So it's a little different. We know Stafford wins on the field. It's going to be good. But if you tell me, you know Stafford's back, he played four games, it's like, I'm Jimmy Garoppolo. Like, I'm sorry I'm out on that situation. It's Stetson Bennett, too. Like, I'm just no chance. And I love McVay. But let's start with the Colts. Your thoughts on their situation? I. We're sitting here. By the time I put this out on Monday, I think Anthony Richardson gets traded before the Season because I don't think you can have, you just can't. It's just, you know, the locker room dynamics.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (48:59)

There's no going back. No, there's no going back. You bench the guy and now you've, you picked a journeyman starter over him and it's like, dude, it's like, like I, I don't, I'm not saying the vibes have been good, like about his, his dedication and work and some of the things you can kind of read through the tea leaves, but it's like also, it's like, did you not understand who you were drafting? Like a guy that didn't have a lot of starts, a lot of reps and stuff. He needed that time to grow. And then the injuries and stuff. And then it's like we're worried about our jobs and then the sub optimal decision making comes in where it's like, now we need to, we're coaching for our jobs and stuff and we're, we're basing our hope on Daniel Jones.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (49:35)

I think a lot of times when this stuff happens because I, I, when I was living in the Bay, I saw with Trey Lance.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (49:40)

Yep.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (49:41)

I think back in the day, like the 80s or the 90s, like if Ditko were to do this or parcels like the locker room has no influence. I think nowadays I bet the players are telling Shane like, you know they are because you don't hear a peep. When all the Trey Lance stuff happened with Purdy. They all were like, it's different because I mean, they truly believed in Purdy. I don't know if they believe in Daniel Jones, Trent Williams, Fred Warner, Debo Samuel. They were all on board. They wanted it, right? Yep. In this situation, I just think that, I wonder if a lot of players internally kind of gave up on him last year during that situation when he tapped out. And it's like, is Shane Steichen just pulling, going rogue? Like they're like on the fence. We'll go with either guy. I think, I think there are locker room dynamics more than ever in the modern day pro sports. And you kind of listen to your star players and they're cool with it. I'm with you, like big picture. You should have known. But the problem is when a guy's always injured, it's impossible to develop them. Now we're year three and we think we have like a playoff level roster. It's like, what are we going to do? It's just a, he should have gone to a really crappy, shitty team. Right. Jacksonville or Arizona, you just keep rolling out when you think you're a playoff team. It's hard to do this year in, year out.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (50:55)

I don't disagree with you. And it's tough when the guy gets hurt and then he can't get the reps even you forecast that are wanted for him. But like if Daniel Jones can just be a league average quarterback like in Shane Stocking can like look like just scheme around him with all the parts of pieces like this team could win 10, 11 games this year because I think their defense could take a step forward too, like changing over DCs. You have a lot of young guys there, especially in their, their D line that could take another step forward this year. And if that happens, yeah, we're talking about. They're, they're literally the entire rest of this roster is carrying Daniel Jones to 10 or 11 wins. I wouldn't be shocked with that. I also wouldn't be shocked if Daniel Jones just like implodes and he's, you know, Blake Bortles 2.0 and this D and this team looks rough and everything goes sideways and Ballard and Stichting are gone by, you know, the back half of the season. I think there's a wide range of outcomes for the Colts, just in general.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (51:50)

Well, if I gave him like Jared Goff or Brock Purdy on the Colts, they're starting quarterback. You would like that roster.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (51:56)

12 wins. Yeah, 12 wins.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (51:58)

I'd say the same thing. I'd say the same thing about probably the Arizona Cardinals. If I gave them like a consistent quarterback, I think they'd be pretty good. The, the Ravens, to me they're a little more like an NBA team that's been top heavy. Now they're getting better. They've drafted really well the last couple years, so they've had the youth movement but, but like when Stafford's on that they become a really, really good team. And when he's off, I mean people sometimes talk about the Rams. I've been saying this for like a month. Like there's they were been some 12 and 13 win juggernaut these last couple years. Like they've won 10 games. You know, I mean Seattle had the same record as them. It's just Sam Darnold, you know, threw that touchdown in the corner of the end zone late in the season, end of their playoff hopes. But I mean if that guy drops it or Sam trips, Seattle wins the division. So I think the Rams are a massive wild card. If you tell me Stafford play 17 games in the back, no big deal. It's like, okay, Puka's gonna catch a. Puka's gonna get 100 catches, 15 touchdowns. If you tell me Jimmy Garoppolo starts 12, it's like this could get weird.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (52:55)

It really could. And Stafford is the linchpin. Like everything that team is going to go where the quarterback play goes. And yes. I mean like dude, like if Jimmy G makes starts then it's also like do we go back to the devonte Adams like cussing him out on the sideline by throwing hospital balls like that. That's firmly in play too. But if Stafford's healthy and I think there's the two big question marks from that team and the range of outcomes is Stafford's health. And I just. Back injuries just scare the ever loving bejesus out of me, man. Like where it's like you got, you got an epidural. You're like feeling okay enough to practice. How are you feeling at Week 6 when the hits start piling up and that, that, that aged body and that back starts barking at you and it's hard to even get week six, bro.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (53:37)

They open with Houston. I mean what if he gets leveled in that game?

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (53:41)

I mean that, you know, if you're DeMeco Ryan's you're just gonna blitz the ever loving crap out of them and say okay O line hope you can hold up because we're bringing the heat baby. But yes, like this is an 11 or 12 win team if Stafford is healthy and the, the secondary can hold up because you got a huge question marks there. Kennella Witherspoon, he's awesome when he's on the field.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (54:04)

Can't.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (54:04)

I mean his entire career he's been able to unable to stay healthy. So it's like they're another wide range of outcomes. Like I have some. Do you have any Jimmy.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (54:12)

Do you have any Jimmy G Belief.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (54:16)

I mean enough to run the offense. But like he's, he's a floor pick. Like you're just hoping like he doesn't get any of your wide receivers just absolutely decapitated over the middle if he's playing and you probably go run Heav. And that's what we see like them lean on the run game and it goes like conservative. But I, I'll kind of tie some things together here middle cough before we wrap all this up. Like do you think the Rams there's a non zero chance like could they trade for Anthony Richardson? Seeing as we're talking about a trade.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (54:45)

Yeah. To me I think Anthony Richardson is in play for all the good, sweet offensive coaches, like, Sean Payton would not be interested because he's got a young quarterback. But Andy Reid, obviously, Sean McVeigh, the Bills wouldn't fit that model. Like the Ravens with Lamar, you know, it's like Andy Richardson a backup now, so you don't even need to worry about him. Like, you're just on the side grinding with you, I think 100% now, he's a value. Like, can I get you for like a fifth or sixth rounder? Like, I don't think you see any of these teams giving up anything, because when you were the fourth pick, you do make some money as well. But I. The first two names that came to my mind were Andy Reid and Sean McVay, because, like, we're not even worried about you playing. And I just, you know, when we got a little downtime during the week, we're working with you on the side.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (55:32)

You just.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (55:33)

We're just kind of messing with you. But I do think financially, the more and more I've thought about it, it's a little complicated because when you're the fourth overall pick, it's, you know, it's like seven, eight, nine million dollars. What's he in year three now? It gets a little higher as the. It's. It's not like he's the 20, like, Jackson darts contract and his contract are dramatically different. Right. It's like what we saw with Jerry Jones. I also think people look back at Jerry Jones trading for Trey Lance of 4th. It's like, God, that was a lot, you know, because they, you know, that was. That was a. That was a mistake at the time.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:03)

That's a lot of Jerry trades.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:05)

He just.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:05)

He just spins those forts like they're going out of business.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:08)

So to me, what's the value on. What's the value on Anthony Richardson? Like, could they even get a fifth? I mean, I.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:13)

That's fifth. Or like a pick swap, like Richardson and a pick swap for a fifth. I mean, that kind of feels.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:20)

Yeah.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:20)

Or.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:21)

Or maybe I got a guy that I'm gonna cut that you want. I trade player type deal.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:25)

Yeah, it's good call.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:26)

He wouldn't go and listen. People are like, well, the Colts. No, the Colts missed. It's over. So you just. You just have to remove them. It's not. There's no value coming back. You drafted them fourth overall. It failed. You can't. There is no value there.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:38)

Right?

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:39)

I.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (56:39)

You're not getting the equity back on that.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (56:41)

No. So I. Yeah, I could see definitely Sean McVeigh and Andy Reid were the two guys that, that I thought of. But I guess the Ravens from a scheme standpoint, maybe they cause a lot of people liked him coming out, right? But like you said, we sometimes, like, we have enough evidence, like, we can't just view what we viewed whenever the guy was drafted three years later, like, a lot's changed. So. So yeah, well, enjoy all your drafts, all your everything going on, and enjoy the season, man, and we'll definitely be in touch. You guys keep crushing, man, because I was with Coward the other day and I've heard about you guys and years before you even came on, you guys do some big, big numbies on that podcast. So congrats, keep it rolling.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (57:28)

Appreciate it, man. Appreciate the time. Talking ball, I mean, you're one of the sharpest in the business. Anytime we have a chance to sit here and hop on the mics and talk football, it's a good day.

Dan or Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts) (57:36)

Talk soon, bro. Enjoy the weekend.

Derek Brown (Fantasy Pros Analyst) (57:38)

Appreciate you. The volume.

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