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3 & Out - Draft Day 2 Reactions: Shedeur Sanders Falls to Day 3, Shough to Saints, Milroe to Seahawks
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What is going on? The third round of the NFL draft just ended and I thought, you know what? Let's let's go in the old office and record a little podcast. Record a little reaction to tonight, a story that one day might become a 30 for 30 as someone said in our three and out text chain that I was like, yeah, this is, this is pretty nuts. And we'll just dive right into it. Shador Sanders has listen, sometimes stories can be overhyped. Like last night, the Shador Sanders. I don't watch the ESPN broadcast. I'm an NFL Network guy, so I can't speak to the, the Mel Kuiper never shutting up about it. And I'm pro Mel Kuiper. But I, I don't have. I did not watch his reaction last night, which by all accounts was pretty aggressive. Constantly on a night when all these guys are getting drafted in the first round. Like, I understand the pushback tonight, like it is kind of the story. And when you don't get drafted at all in the second and third round and countless other quarterbacks who we will dive into that, I think it's fair to say that you were a better prospect than get drafted over you like pretty crazy night. And I'm sure like many of you, a million texts from countless people about one specific thing, like, what's going on? How bad is it? Do people really hate him this much? Like, there's no way around it as we sit here tonight, the NFL does not like this guy. They do not like this guy because the tape, like we've all seen it, we all watched him play football was fine. He was good. Now we could nitpick him. How good was he? Definitely good enough to be drafted in the top 95, 100 picks. And the interviews, like, the other thing is I, you know, you see some of these former players that are up in arms, you know, trying to justify the madness of like, guys. Do you know how many red flag guys were drafted in the first round? Countless. Do you know how many guys tonight with massive red flags got drafted tonight? The Baltimore Ravens drafted a guy who was accused of sexual assault in high school and college. And they went to Rap sheet after the pick and he's like, yeah, a lot of teams were not comfortable with his answers on when asked and pressed about these situations during the process, he was not on their draft board. A lot of guys that get drafted all over the league, not on draft boards and these are like criminal, legitimate things off the field that should terrify you. And teams are like, you know what great inside move can get to the passer good enough value, Draft them now so it gets to the point of whatever they think and whatever happened between the season ending, which for Colorado was whatever at the end of December to now during the draft process, the Senior Bowl, I guess he went to the east west game. But the combine, the personal interactions and interviews couldn't have been a bigger disaster. And it's been reported on. I, I honestly never really dug into it because I didn't really care that much. Plus, I didn't think it was going to be that big a deal because most stuff isn't that big a deal if you're a good player. They will overlook criminal fucking activity if you can play. That they literally did tonight and last night, red flags all over the place. Like, this guy can set the edge. This guy can protect our quarterback. This guy can score touchdowns. You know why? Because most of these guys, when they go into an interview situation, just like all of us, are on our best behavior. And it had been well reported back at the combine that whatever his interactions were with specific gms and coaches was a disaster. And now it's not even disputable because it was like, you know, the Vegas Raiders, Tom Brady, he, he's a Shador Sanders guy. It felt like they had about 10 picks tonight. I mean, they're drafted small school offensive linemen, random wide receivers, not random. The TCU kid looks good. But honestly, I kind of like the Raiders draft. But the point is that they had countless opportunities to do it, didn't do it. The Steelers, it's one thing to pass them on them in the first round. They take a defensive tackle. They don't have a second round pick. But all we heard, and I've said this over, I believed it. Mike Tomlin loves Shador. It's like, yeah, I can see it. Just Tomlin Dion, probably buddies, probably known Shador for a long time, likes them, they need a quarterback. Then they get the opportunity to draft them in the third round and they don't. Then you're like, this thing's probably over. And now you wonder, like, where's he going to go? Because last year you had six guys get drafted in the top 12 picks. None of those teams are an option for him. And then I was thinking, you have a bunch of like, veteran quarterbacks, right? Guys like Mahomes or Lamar or Herbert or Burrow, or you just go, the Jalen hurts, right? Just all the veteran quarterbacks, those teams who are going to get to a point, like, is there value in this? Do they want to just bring the hoopla that is now behind this? Because now this story went from like an intriguing story in the first round to, to like a way bigger story now through the second and the third round. I can't tell you the variety of individuals I have gotten text messages about, specifically about this player, which is unheard of. Usually it's like what do you think about so and so's team draft? Or like you like what, you like what the Raiders did tonight? It's like NFL players, dudes around the NBA, former former coaches, current coaches, scouts. I mean the opinions. Everyone's got an opinion and a thought and they're all in agreement. The NFL can't stand this guy and no one can argue that. And listen, I've said over and over like I thought he was a pretty good player. I wouldn't say he's Andrew Locke or Peyton Manning, but definitely worthy of a top hundred draft pick. Especially in a league where guy like Tyler Schuck. I like Kellen Moore. I'm pro Kellen Moore. I'm rooting for Kellen Moore. Doug Nussmeier, I worked with him back at Fresno State. He's Kellen's right hand man, his offensive coordinator. He's the dad of, of Garrett, the LSU quarterback. I'm pro. The Nussmeier Moore combination. I can't get behind this Tyler Schuck pick. I mean he's, he's, he's older than Brock Purdy who is a four year college starter and who has been a three year NFL starter. Like I'm sorry, the advantage you have. He's been replaced in two programs. As someone said on the broadcast tonight, he was a multi year backup for Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert is in like year two or three of his contract extension in the NFL. So the advantage I have as a 25, 26 year old of knowledge playing in college football for years, going up against DBS that are 18, 19, 20 years old. Yeah, I'm going to look good. I get, he throws a nice ball. I'm sorry, I'm out on that draft pick now. The dog video was really cool. I'm behind that. But in terms of like thinking that, I don't know, I think that one's insane. The Jalen Milroe pick. Like you couldn't watch Jalen Milroe this year and think he's a better player than Shador Sanders at quarterback. But where does Mike McDonald come from? The Ravens. Who did he have a front row seat for? Lamar Jackson. What was everyone saying a couple weeks ago? Hell, I think, I think even Andrew Barry said it in his press conference last week that Jalen Milroe will be the only guy in the league who's faster than Lamar. And this guy is a freak athlete. And if you just watch the first half of Georgia, he could have been the number one overall pick. Now you can watch other games where he looks like an undrafted free agent. But Mike McDonald, and here's the thing, especially you know, first and second and third year coaches, they go based off experience of where they previously used to be. I understand that pick. Plus in the third round, like Malik Willis was a third round pick. Jalen Milroe, clearly high character, good guy, I would imagine, interviewed pretty well. And you take a chance and you're not forcing him to play. Hell, he's there. He's their third stringer, right? They got Sam Darnold's their starter, Drew Locke's their backup and he'll be their third stringer and they just work with him as a project. Worst case, he's Malik Willis who actually had a good game this year. But I mean, best case, that they can develop him into something the Dylan Gabriel one with Cleveland is now, I don't like necessarily Shador and Cleveland either. To me, he's got to be in a good weather dome environment. And I think that for any weak arm or average arm quarterback, and that's what Dylan Gabriel is. When I think Dylan Gabriel, I do not think Cleveland, Ohio, wind pumping, playing the Baltimore Ravens or the Pittsburgh Steelers, I think that picks kind of crazy and even rap sheet. When he came on television tonight, he's like, guys, clearly he had talked to someone in Cleveland, like, get ready. There's a decent chance that Dylan Gabriel is going to be off the board before Shador. But I saw Colin go on, you know, a rant on his television show today about humility. And I had said something weeks ago when I think Todd McShay had brought up how bad his interviews went. And I had said this might have been a month or two ago, whenever that story first broke, I said, all these guys are used to every single scout, every single gm, every single coach. If you've been in the league a while, you have talked to a million prospects and 99% of them go the same way. Doesn't mean they go well in terms of like, you come away, oh, this guy's really smart or this guy loves football or whatever. But most guys are just like we all do in interviews, trying to be on our best behavior and just try to be really respectful and just do everything in a positive light. And some of these guys, right, if you've been in trouble, you're getting asked tough questions. It can, it's, it's not a comfortable environment all the time, but guys are just trying to Be really good, right? In terms of, like, I want them to like me. Why? These are million dollar job opportunities. So I would say most of these situations, especially with quarterback, are all like, you know, really good kid, can't play, but really good kid like them. And you want most of your quarterbacks. And historically they have been beside the great ones. Now if you're great, if you're a great player, you can kind of act like however you want to act. Why? Because you're that good. And this is pro sports and at the end of the day, there are only so many great players. So if I'm Abdul Carter and certain teams want me to come and interview and come to 30 visits and I say, you know what, kiss my ass, I can do that because I'm Abdul Carter, you know where I can't do that. If I'm like a guy that's going to go in the third or fourth round, that's just dumb, bad business. And I think whatever happened with Shador, the disconnect between reality and what, like the. It's not one team. This is the entire league. And the entire league is clearly really turned off. I didn't see it coming. Honestly, I wasn't even paying attention because I didn't think this was possible. And now we're sitting at a spot we're going into Saturday morning. I mean, Mike Florio posted and honestly, it's not the craziest take. He's lost so much money and he was clearly making a lot of money at Colorado that can he figure out a way to go back to school now? The rules say he's already too far deep. He can't come back. But as Florio wrote, like, everyone's suing the NCAA and they just wilt because they don't want to lose. They just give in and they lose every lawsuit. So is it the craziest thing now? Florio thought he should go back to school and go play for someone other than Deion to try to, I don't know, bump up a stock because you don't even need that. Like, Jalen Milroe did not have a good season, got drafted in the third round. Tyler Schuck, not a soul was talking about Tyler Schuck up until, like the combine. Like, you don't even need, like, the crazy part is getting drafted sometimes is not about, like, especially in the second, third round. It's about traits. It's about. And he was played pretty well. So I'm kind of shocked. Like most people, I didn't expect him not to get drafted in the second or the third round. I guess maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm. And listen, I don't buy into like all the bullshit you see on tv, but like I've watched football long enough to know what like a second or third round prospect looks like. I thought he'd get drafted in the second round, but clearly, I mean, teams like the Raiders are a good example. They play in a dome. They're, they're pseudo minority owner. Tom Brady, like has a close relationship, like known this guy for a while and the Raiders brought him in for a visit. Like he and Pete Carroll is, I would say as open minded and liberal with like all the, everything that goes on with players as any coach in the league. Well, I, Andy's up there, you know, the Chiefs, you know, took a few red flags with their draft picks, but you can do that. It just shows you. Like if people think you can play, they will basically overlook anything. That's the craziest part. Anything. I mean the amount of guys who's like off the field, red flags are way worse than anything we've ever heard from Shador of just like not showing respect to a head coach, which is kind of crazy. I mean, I'm sorry, like if you're meeting with people and not doing everything possible as a quarterback to just try to impress them and show that you're a good guy, like, I judge you too. If I was in their shoes, like, I don't blame them if that's what happened. And the only people that know about these interactions are these coaches and these GMs and a couple got out, but it was clearly way worse than we knew. Like there's no disputing that now. There's just no one can argue that. And I just think that this is one of those stories. Is this one of the worst slides? It's hard to say slides because like did he fall out of the first round? Most people didn't have a first round grade on him. But to not get drafted today, I'd say is one of the more eye opening moments in recent memory from. I mean he's doing, he's on the commercial where he says it's legendary. You know, I wouldn't say getting drafted on Saturday morning when they start going to like, I mean, think about the stupid stuff they do on Saturday during the draft. It gets really. I love football. I make my living off talking about it. Saturday during the draft can, can be a difficult watch. It's usually when a lot of coaches and GM start Doing interviews in the middle of the draft. Draft rooms, doors are wide open, people going in and out, eating food. It is much more relaxed. I mean, the first round is like a very stiff night in these buildings. Second round relaxes a little bit. The Saturday is a free for all. I mean, depending on where you are, beers might start coming out in the six, six rounds. So if you said, what round does he get drafted in tomorrow, John? I'd be like, I don't know. I mean, at this point in time, if you tell me no team drafts them, I'd say that sounds pretty crazy. But how's that not believable at this point? Is he, like, some lock to get drafted in the fourth round? How could you say that? I mean, third round picks. This was known as one of the worst drafts in recent memory. And maybe it'd be one thing if, like, no quarterbacks coming off the board, but Jalen Milro, Dylan Gabriel, and Tyler Schuck are flying off the board. So, man, you interview with people. I wonder if he would like to have do overs on that one. And at this point in time, wherever he does end up, assuming that he can't go back to college, talk about the ultimate humble pie. Holy shit. It'll be interesting to see once Dion, because I would imagine, you know, Dion's going to be a hot ticket. People are going to want to talk to him come Monday and Tuesday, whether it's first take Rich Eisen, you know, people are going to want to get this dude on the horn. People want to get a camera on this guy and get some takes from Deion Sanders. And maybe that's part of it, you know, I mean, in I remember, like, once you get to college football, a lot of college coaches, like, I don't want to talk to your mom and dad bitching about your playing time, right? And that's in college. And now you get to the pros. Now, Deion's obviously a pretty. I mean, he's one of the greatest players in the history of the sport. I mean, he's one of the greatest athletes in the history of America. So I'm not saying he shouldn't have opinions, but at the end of the day, he is the guy's dad. So it's like, do you want to see this guy's dad bitching and moaning? I would imagine my guess would be he's going to be pretty pissed off. So now if I draft a guy in like, the fourth or fifth round, there's like a balance of, like, am I getting, like a humble, driven, like I want to prove everyone wrong? Or are you getting really like an angry, just like kind of pouty guy? I mean that's, it's. Who knows? And I that's where I wonder if this thing could snowball and almost get worse. I would imagine it'd be hard. I don't know, the floral thing, going back to college. Like at this point in time it'd be tough to like tuck your, you know, tail between your leg and go back to school. The NBA 82 game grind is done and now the real fun begins. The NBA playoffs are here and it's time for the high stakes drama, clutch moments and jaw dropping plays. Can't wait if you're looking to make the playoffs even more exciting. DraftKings sportsbook has you covered as an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From the play in games all the way through the finals. Now the time to back your favorite players and teams as they chase glory. All season long, DraftKings has been your go to spot NBA player props. And that doesn't stop now. Want to make your playoff experience even more intense? Try placing a bet on your favorite player's performance. Will Curry drop 30? Will LeBron drop 40 or more? 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Some other stuff happened tonight. It feels like the Shador Sanders Friday night. It really does. The Bears, you talk about a team that has done everything humanly possible to support their quarterback. I started thinking tonight by the time they made their second pick and they took Luther Burden, who's pretty interesting player actually if you think about it. The Bears fired Eberfluss, who's one of the bigger joke head coaches. Seemed like a nice guy and good defensive mind. One of the worst head coaches we've ever seen. And some guys, you know him, Dennis Allen, like certain guys, especially defensive coordinators, have no business being a head coach. Listen, Fangio is going to go down as probably one of the best defensive coordinators of his generation. You would not want Vic Fangio to be your head coach so you could be a great defensive coordinator. Have no business running the team. They replaced him with this boy genius offensive mind and Ben Johnson. Their offensive line was a joke. They immediately sign and trade for two guards in the center who are all good. They they're going to lose Keenan Allen. They draft Luther Burden who probably would go higher if they weren't for some off the field question marks. And who's a stud? I mean he's just been one of the better players in the SEC the last couple of years. They draft like I'm not saying he's Travis Kelsey, but like that type tight end just in terms of great athlete, movement, route running. Just a stud to go with DJ Moore who's already on the team. So it's like the offense, they also have a tight end who they gave a contract extension to. I just don't know if it's humanly possible to add more to your offense for your young quarterback. You know, a lot of people push back. This is the worst spot for Caleb to go. This is where quarterback careers go to die. It's like I don't think Ryan Poles can do much more. They have given him even the mistakes they made last year by screwing up with the offense. Oh, and they drafted Rome last year. It's crazy. I mean, the expectation obviously that division is going to be really hard. We know Minnesota, Green Bay and Detroit are good, but there are no excuses for that offense for the coach and the quarterback. There's going to be a lot of pressure on those two individuals. And at the end of the day, like Ben Johnson, people think he's good. You know, Caleb is yet to prove in the NFL he's good. So I'm fascinated to watch how this organization, who hasn't really been good, handles this pressure, which is hard. We saw the jets last year, who had been shitty for a decade. When you've been bad, it's. It's hard all of a sudden to be like, you should win a 10 or 11 games. And the jets had Aaron Rodgers and they completely got overwhelmed and it was like, this is an embarrassment. Now sometimes you can flip it around. Sometimes it's like, damn, these guys are actually pretty good. But I think the Bears have done everything as an organization, if you're a fan, to like make sure the offense is in position to have no excuses and have success. It's all on just the quarterback running. The genius offensive coordinators plays correctly. Chiefs drafted a bunch of linemen, obviously the offensive tackle in the first round. They draft a couple defensive linemen tonight. Art Rooney, because when Rap Sheet came on talking about if the Steelers would take Shador Sanders at pick 83, he's like, you know, Art Rooney actually just did a radio hit and he mentioned if we do draft a quarterback, he's definitely not playing this year. So he kind of alluded to like, you're probably not taking Shador Sanders. And then he hinted at, yeah, we've talked Aaron Rodgers, we've been in contact and all signs point to him wanting to be here. We think it'll get done soon. So we might have some Aaron Rodgers news in the next couple days. Maybe he officially signs with the Pittsburgh Steelers and that would make them definitely more intriguing than they are right now, given that they do not have a quarterback. I do like the running back that they took Caleb Johnson from Iowa. And this is the thing, like they're going to be running backs taken today and even tomorrow that are going to be really good starters in the NFL. I would be stunned if the Iowa running back Caleb Johnson is not a productive player and is not, I mean, the Steelers starter and eventually be a belk out. Like I'd expect him to be good. I know the Broncos took the UCF kid. I don't know that much about him. I know they think he's a Good wide receiving running back. But the other two running backs, like I think the Patriots getting, getting Henderson from Ohio State, that's, that's a pretty good pick that, that guy. I think I honestly the running backs, both Ohio State guys going like essentially back to back picks 36 and 38. Junkins went to Cleveland, who you know with Nick Chubb after he got injured was never quite the same and I think he's a free agent right now. But Junkins who had was an Ole Miss transfer, got outshined a little bit as the season went on by Hendrickson Henderson. But I think a lot of people in the NFL, if you just look at Junkins body of work at Ole Miss and then even this year people like him a lot. So both those two guys, I mean Ohio State at one point in time had six guys get drafted in the top 38. And which I did the math. It was like 17% of the draft had been Ohio State players. And the two best players on their team, Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith are not even draft eligible. So think about the team just dominated, won the national championship. If it wasn't for one of the worst offensive game plans in the history of the football, they wouldn't have lost to Michigan. But they just littered the top of the draft with players and their two best players aren't even draft eligible. It's like tonight as the draft goes on, it's like another guard from Georgia, another offensive line from Georgia, there's another guy from Georgia, Georgia and Ohio State. It's like they're, they just have an unlimited amount. Even Texas now. It's crazy. I haven't done the Math on the second and third round. It feels like the SEC produced 70 to 75% of the draft picks through the top 100 picks. If you told me how many picks have there been like 98 that I don't know. 68 of the hundred picks are SEC. I'd believe you. There have been 102 picks. My guess right now, and I'll look it up when we'll know tomorrow. Of the 102 picks, I guess 70 are from the SEC. That seems a little high. 60, 66 are from the SEC. So essentially like 65, 64% of the draft has been the SEC and then obviously another large percentage from the Big Ten. Other than that, I think the Raiders just taking good players. Pretty powerful story about the TCU wide receiver that they drafted whose brother had died in the, in that car terrorist attack in New Orleans. I remember at the Senior bowl when he came off the field and his family was right there and they all started crying. I think he was Senior bowl mvp. I think he got the game winning touchdown. And watching some of the highlights tonight and the family, that was a really touching moment. I mean, honestly, a lot of these moments of these kids with their family, with their parents, with their grandparents, people that, it's one thing, obviously people come into your life, you know, coaches and stuff through college, but these people, whoever raised you, your tight knit, you know, immediate family that have been in your life when the only thing you had in common with the NFL is it was a dream and you loved sports at 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10 years old, whatever. And then to get that moment and getting drafted, obviously getting drafted in the first round is pretty cool. Getting drafted in the second and third rounds, pretty badass too. I mean, the greatest player in the history of the sport, Tom Brady, was drafting the sixth round. So getting drafted on the second day is pretty cool. And that, that never gets old. Seeing Those clips of GMs and coaches on the phone with them, seeing their family just erupt. I think the Eagle, the dude the Eagles took at the end of the second round had a bunch of people at his house and he stood up and he told them all to be quiet and they turned up the tv. And then whoever's announcing the pick, I think it was Bo Allen, you know, announces it and the place just goes nuts. It's just a very. In a world. Listen, I can be pretty cynical. I can be pretty pessimistic. Like all of us, I try to be an optimistic, upbeat, positive, glass half full person. I really make a conscious effort to be like that. I try to surround myself with those type people. I think we're all more productive when we have more of a positive and optimistic spin on life than negative. But you're around long enough, you do enough deals, you're in the business world, you live long enough to lose people in your life, it's easy to be cynical. And there is just something refreshing and positive and cool and genuine about the draft. There just, there's some human connection. And I think that like obviously football games and the NFL season and the college football season is a lot of fun and there's a lot of passion. And we root for our teams and root for whoever we're gambling on and it's, it's pretty, there's a sense of community that way for any of you guys that go to games, season ticket holders, whether it's college or pro, but there's just like Something I think we all can relate to of, like, make you smile when you watch these guys, you know, enjoy the moment. So many of these guys, the majority of them are just like really good high level dudes that just happen to have hit the genetic lottery. And many of them, you know, obviously worked hard through college and were pushed hard at the best programs, whether it's from Ohio State or Bama or Georgia or wherever. Mainly the sec. But I just think tonight and even into tomorrow, like, not everyone's. Obviously some guys won't even get drafted. But the opportunity to play in the NFL, such a small percentage of people, like, I like probably many people watching or listening to this, you play high school football and a tiny, tiny percentage of people from high school football go on to play Division 1 college football, let alone college football at all. But Division 1 college football, the cream of the crop. There are only so many kids playing, you know, Power 4 college football or even non power for places like Boise and, you know, Fresno and San Diego State. Like, it's got to be really, really good to play at these schools. And then a small percentage of those guys, I mean, I've gone to so many pro days over the years. Most guys at pro days are not going to play in the NFL. You know, we hype up these pro days. When you go to like Ohio State pro day, yeah, they got six or seven pros, but there, there, there's another 10 guys working out at that pro day who are never gonna get a phone call, who are never gonna get invited to a training camp, who played at Ohio State, who might even started at Ohio State. Ohio, I might be picking the wrong school, let's say like Minnesota or Mississippi State. Like, I played in the Big Ten, I played in the sec. I was a starter. I had a pro day. No one ever calls me. I never get the call. And I was like, I'm pretty good. I blocked a guy that's starting in the NFL. I made seven tackles against Ohio State or Michigan. Right. So it's, it's very, very difficult. I've always said, listen, I have no, I am much more comfortable being critical during the season of coaches and front offices because you don't need to be as talented to get to those spots. Now, obviously the best at those positions, Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh, Sean McVeigh, like, those guys are elite at what they do. But there are a lot of coaches, assistants that are scam artists. Same thing with the scouting community. You can't scam your way to playing in the NFL, you just cannot because you either have it or you don't. And to get yourself there, like, you have to have a body of work. And then to get there and stay, like, you got to be fucking good. Now. Maybe you could last as a backup quarterback and not get forced into play. But most other players, right, they rotate. So if you're not a starter, you're playing on special teams. And it's, it's, it's extremely difficult. So nothing but respect for all these kids now. I guess some of these guys are. You're not a kid at 25 like you're a kid at 20. Like the 49ers drafted, their first draft pick was 20 years old. Like, that's a kid. Tyler Schuck feels like a grandpa, but very, very cool night. I enjoyed it a lot.
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