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3 & Out - Eagles lose a bunch, latest with the Vikings, 49ers purge
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Jeremy Hobson
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John Middlekauff
The Volume what is going on my people? How are we doing? I'm John. This is a podcast called three and Out. We're gonna talk a little football today. I'm recording this at about 5:00 Wednesday afternoon. While I'm recording this intro, I just finished all the nuts and bolts of the pod, but Aaron Rodgers have not signed. Russell Wilson has not signed. So we will. We'll Keep an eye out on those two individuals. Didn't want to discuss the Eagles and their exodus. I saw some people freaking out Minnesota, adding a lot of people because they got money was not paying Sam Darnold, you know the Niners are they trying to pull a 2024 bills and I gotta pump the brakes on that one. And we will do a big mailbag as well. I know I haven't done one in a couple days because I don't know why I just haven't. At John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those dms. I also had to wait for like my wedding DMS to kind of slow down so I could just find some of your mailbag questions. Appreciate everyone who has reached out again. But so we will do a big mailbag today and keep those mailbag questions coming. You guys know the drill at John Middlekopf. At John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in the dms. We will have Fugazi Friday tomorrow, hopefully a couple more deals keep happening. I would love, I wouldn't mind Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers to sign sometime on during the day, on Thursday or even afternoon. I even at night I'll do something I don't care but hoping it doesn't happen like Saturday or something when I'm trying to chill. But who knows? I mean we don't control this and maybe Aaron Rodgers is in Egypt or doing Ayahuasca somewhere and he's just in no rush. As Adam Schefter said, like what are we waiting on here? And not that I actually care, but I do kind of agree. Like you've kind of had an idea of what your options were going to be. I'm sure you've been talking for weeks now. These guys are used to making a lot of money. Probably pretty humbling. It's one thing for normal humans to take a pay cut which actually impacts you. This is has zero impact on these humans lives. But taking 20, $30 million pay cuts, it's gotta be. It's gotta rattle your confidence a little bit. I don't care how old or how poor you're playing. Never been there, but can't imagine when you're used to making something they're like, now I'm offering you 25 million less than what you're used to. You're like damn. Still in the same tax bracket though. But you guys know the drill. Subscribe to the podcast 3Now podcast. Subscribe to the YouTube channel and dive into the show. Start with the Eagles and Howie Roseman because you Win the Super bowl and everyone is sky high. Rightfully so. Second super bowl and what, seven years, second super bowl in franchise history. Squad is absolutely loaded. Then all of a sudden they resign. Zach Bond, everyone's like, hell yeah. Gives Saquon a little extension as a thank you. And then free agency tampering, period. Hits and sweat gets a ton of money in Arizona. Milton Williams gets broken off by Vrabel, CJ Gardner Johnson who I think brought a physicality back to that defense that they were clearly missing last season. And everyone's like, what the hell is going on? And I think the modern day version of football, Moneyball right now for the Eagles and I would just say in general in the NFL is utilizing elite coaching. Because when you have an elite coach on a side of the ball, sometimes you can overcome stuff. We have seen Andy Reid do that since they got rid of Tyreek Hill. We have seen Sean McVay do that the last couple years leading back to back playoff teams. And hell, they went toe to toe with the Philadelphia Eagles this year, the only team that gave him a game. And I think clearly the 49ers will Kyle Shanahan plan on doing that this fall. And I think when you're the Eagles, you go, we have so much invested into our offense financially and that's just a fact. I mean Saquon is the seventh highest paid player on the offense. We have one of if not the best defensive coordinator in the NFL and he is being paid an absolute premium. And we're lucky. We have hit on some sweet draft picks, but we're going to utilize him. We're going to be able to let the defensive lineman go. We're going to be able to trade CJ Gardner Johnson because our ability to make guys develop guys and find underappreciated assets is under Vic's tutelage. And watch, we just did it last year with Zach Pawn. We plan on doing it again and they did it. They also do it on the offensive line with Stoutland. They've done it with Jordan Mylotta. They did it last year with Becton. They are attempting to do that in the trade for C.J. gardner Johnson with the former top pick from The Houston Texans, 15th overall pick, guard Green. Now you're not going to hit on all these, but this is Howie and this is why I push so heavily when it comes to the draft free agency. This stuff is all an economic exercise. It really is. How much do I have to pay for the player? What type assets do I have to pay a premium for and, and what type guys can I get on the cheap? Like, one thing's pretty clear right now. In free agency, if you want a competent guard or tackle, you got to pay a lot of money. But I will say this. When you are paying a ton of money for a starting guard or a starting tackle that has proven he could start at those positions, it's like, at least, you know, I can plug this guy in and he can start for me and he can function. Do I feel comfortable giving Aaron Banks that much money if I'm the Green Bay Packers? Of course not. Do I feel great if I'm the Chiefs about signing Jalen Moore, who was Trent Williams backup to $30 million? Of course not. But those guys have proven they can start in enormous games. Banks has been a multiple year starter on one of the best teams in the NFL. So yeah, do I have to pay 150 cents on the dollar? Probably. But I witnessed what happened last year in the playoff game to the Green Bay packers at left guard. It was a joke. Like, it was a complete embarrassment and I'm not going to allow that to happen again. Plus, unlike free agency, like, a guy might get hurt that you sign, but you know what you're getting in free agency. Why? Because the guy's been playing in the NFL. And if you run the same scheme, it literally is plug and play. It's the only time in football where stuff is plug and play when another team runs your offense. Because there's not often you go. Because in, in college football, that's not the case. When you are drafting a college prospect, there is a huge projection, not just his ability to play in the NFL, but how he will work in your scheme, even if there are similarities to what he did in college. But like, you pay premiums in the NFL for these offensive linemen, that much is clear when you watched how much they got. Same thing with defensive linemen, because if you watch them do something, exactly what you're going to ask them to do, you feel pretty good about it. Because they've been doing it for several years, typically for whatever team they've been playing on. And like, Howie Roseman understands how talented Milton Williams is. But he goes, I've watched Fangio for 20 years in the NFL find guys like that and develop them. I've watched him take guys like Nolan Smith and develop him into a good player and then turn him into a Pro bowl level guy and then take really good players like Jalen Carter and Quinon Mitchell and Cooper DeJean and turn them into like all pro level guys. So part of the Eagles economic outlook on their squad is we're going to have to trim a little bit on defense, invest in the draft and let Fangio coach and develop. That's why we're paying him so much money. We've been doing it on the offensive line for years with Jeff Stoutland for years before he showed up. Howard Mudd was that version for the Eagles. It's why he believed in Jason Kelsey, an undersized athletic center. And that's how you have to do it in football, because you can't just find a bunch of AJ Browns and pay them all. We saw the 49ers, they got to get rid of a lot of guys because eventually you get to a point where the cap space just limits you. And that is why coaching is so important. It really is. And I think the Eagles are in an excellent spot because of the guy running their defense. So, yeah, some of the household names might be gone. Clearly those guys got a ton of money and rightfully so on the open market. But I wouldn't lose one second of sleep if I was a Philadelphia Eagle fan now, a team that I would lose a little sleep for, even though on paper they had an excellent free agency. You could argue Minnesota keeping their stud corner. Byron Murphy, who I've been watching since he was in college at Washington. Aaron Jones, who's just kind of old reliable running back, just really good player. They go out and they sign multiple defensive linemen. Javon Hargrave, who when healthy is just a really solid starter and gives you a lot of pass rush ability. Jonathan Allen, who couple NFL executives told me, overpay, not quite at that level anymore, but high level guy, solid player. Like I said, you got to overpay sometimes for guards and defensive linemen, but again, if you can plug and play and they can just be solid, it's kind of worth it. That's part of having cap room because eventually it's so easy to just talk yourself out of everything. It's like, well, this is our number. We're not budging. It's like, is an extra one and a half million dollars really changing you? It's one thing if you're not budging on 20 or 30 million dollars. Totally understand. Listen, I see it all the time with Maria. She's in real estate, taking clients. Having been someone who looked around for a house to buy in Arizona for a long time, you can talk yourself out of any house, whether your price points, 300 grand or $30 million. Like every single house you walk into, you can find something wrong with it. It's no different with free agency. You're like, oh, this, this. Yeah, I don't see that. It's like it's so easy to do. Eventually they're going to pull the trigger or not. You want to find somewhere to live. Do you want this player or do you not? And I think when you look at Minnesota, like they were just really, really aggressive. And I think Sam Darnold, because of those last two games, made it easy for them to go. You know what? Our plan all along was to roll with J.J. mcCarthy. We're going to stick with that plan and we're going to utilize our cap space and totally understand why they came to that conclusion. Here's the problem. I talked about this yesterday with all the pressure now being on Caleb or the last couple days, and I stand by that, like there. And people are like, he hasn't been making excuses. I'm not saying he ever made an excuse. All I'm saying is like, there were a lot of excuses made for him and I would say many were very justifiable. That doesn't dispute that. Like, he looked way off. There was a lot going on. But now you got a competent offensive line, you got a sweet play caller, we know you got some weapons, you're going to have a good defense. Like, the team is way, turns out way better than last year. And I would say the thing for Minnesota, typically when a young quarterback who gets drafted high, they go to shitty teams. They go to terrible teams. We saw it last year with Jaden Daniels. Jaden Daniels goes to Washington. And I don't care how far they made it. Even Commanders fans have to agree, like their roster from a depth standpoint was not that great. What he did was remarkable. It really was. I mean, it was. It was insane. Typically, it's like Drake May. You go to a dog shit team and you get your teeth kicked in. Well, J.J. mcCarthy is about to start for a team that won 15 games last year and was just 14 games, whatever it was. I mean, they were 60 minutes away from being the number one seed and a huge reason for that. And again, like, I understand everyone, I don't even want to say overreacting, but making a really big deal about the last two games because it'd be disingenuous of me or anyone that talks about this stuff that is so critical. Like, for example, there's a reason, like James Harden takes so much crap. It's because he's been so bad in the playoffs and We've watched him in his biggest moments crumble like a cookie. We saw it for a long time when I was younger with Alex Rodriguez in the playoffs. And the nerds will be like, sample size, small sample, Billy Bean. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Well, that's fine. Some guys come through, some guys do not. Football is no different. You only get, you know, one game opportunities. These aren't seven game series and the games at the beginning of January and in the first round of the playoffs, there's just more, they just matter more than a game in September, October. Not saying that games September and October are not important, but when you don't play well, especially in primetime games, we just judge you more harshly. And clearly the league did as well because like I said, clearly lost a lot of money, but he threw 35 touchdowns and a huge reason this team was, I mean, had a very good chance. And like most people, I picked them to win that game in Detroit because I didn't think Detroit just had enough guys on the field, given how many injuries, was like, they're going to win the division and it's going to be one of the most remarkable things I think I've ever seen. And it didn't happen. But there is no disputing the big reason they were there and kicking the crap. I mean, think how many times you watch the Minnesota Vikings game and they were just like working the packers, working the Niners, working the Texans. I mean, they were beating really good teams start to finish throughout that season by a lot. And their passing game obviously benefits from having, if not the best, him and Jamar Chase are two of the, two of the best wide receiver talents we've ever seen in Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison and obviously bringing the running back back. But like, that's what J.J. mcCarthy has, and we've talked about this before, like he's never been asked to play like that. He never had to do that with Jim Harbaugh. That was not the way Michigan philosophically operated. And I, like, I was more critical of Kevin O'Connell probably than any human being that speaks about football in that playoff game because once Sam Darnold showed that he was overwhelmed in the previous game and the blitzes were getting to him and you had to find a way to just calm the nerves, try to run the ball, try to get some quick passes, do something, but you got to help your quarterback out. And I felt like all he was doing was throwing bombs. And I do believe that Kevin O'Connell, a lot like Sean McVay, likes to let it rip. Well, where Sean really benefited these last couple years, he got Matt Stafford basically the poor man's Aaron Rodgers. And right now he's no longer the poor man's Aaron Rodgers. I mean, clearly he's a better player. I'm just talking like historically he got one of the great throwers in the history of the league. And I'm not saying that JJ can't do that. His one playoff game right before he got a preseason game before he got injured was very, very promising. But there's a huge difference from making some sweet plays in the preseason game, in playing the Lions or Packers on Sunday Night Football where your Coach might call 35 passes where you were winning games in college, throwing the ball like nine times. So I'm just fascinated to watch this play out. I'm not anti JJ McCarthy by any means, but there is, and this speaks for Caleb too. When you, when you just get drafted or somehow end up and get drafted high on these incredibly talented teams with unreal coaching that like to throw the ball, there is like an added pressure put on you. And we've said this before, like not all these quarterbacks are going to work out. It's just statistically impossible. It wouldn't be a statistical outlier. It's statistically impossible. So some of these guys are not going to work out and I understand why they made the move. But there is a lot of risk and they have loaded the team around. 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Jeremy Hobson
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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John Middlekauff
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Jeremy Hobson
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John Middlekauff
It's funny when you do a. When you do a big purge everyone. And I'm probably guilty of this too. It's like you're just gonna, what are you doing now? I didn't necessarily think that with the Bills though, when they did it last year. It is crazy when you take a team that is always in the playoffs and always playing big games and just see them start cutting or letting guys walk that were, I would say, consistent starters for that team over the era of which they've been making runs in the playoffs. And the 49ers, when they do that, it's like jarring. It really is. When you see guys that have been huge, huge parts of all their big wins going to other teams, like, it's crazy to watch. Even if it is the way the NFL works. Some teams have a slower process and just get rid of guys year to year. Some teams take it right to the end and then just get rid of everybody. But one comp I've heard is like, well, the Bills did it last year, the 49ers did it this year. The Rams have done it a couple of years ago. You can keep winning and going to the playoffs when you do that. And that is 100% true. The bills have one of the greatest quarterbacks, at least most talented quarterbacks. Greatest would be strong. Still got a long way to go, but one of the most talented quarterbacks we've ever seen. And in a year where felt like they got rid of half their team, he immediately carried the team to the AFC championship and won the Super Bowl. Some of the big games Matt Stafford has had the last couple of years with a team that clearly wasn't as talented top to bottom as the one that won the Super bowl in 2021. It's like he's kind of a max quarterback and the pressure and who knows? I have no clue what Brock Purdy is end up going to make. If it is true that the 49ers are going to drive a hard bargain, do you know what I would do? I'd be like, I'll give you three years, 120 million and I'll guarantee every penny $40 million a year. And you know these media people that love like I don't even know, they want to see him make $200 million a year. I don't care actually how much he makes. I just think based on the cap and based on the elite quarterbacks, paying him a ton of money is extremely risky because he's not as talented as these other guys. Especially the cream of the crop. And I've seen less talented guys get paid a premium and their team crumble and their team look awful. And I think the 49ers are in this weird spot. It's like, yeah, the Bills could do that because they had Josh Allen. It's like, yeah, the Rams could do that because they had Matt Stafford. Now, you could put some of the numbers together against Brock Purdy and Matt Stafford. Like, come on, what are we arguing? There's not a coach in the NFL, including Kyle, who would take Brock Purdy over Matt Stafford. So I just think the 49ers are in this weird time. I don't just think they're going to crumble because they let a bunch of guys go, but if the plan is to put it all on Brock's back a lot, like they did with Stafford and definitely how they did with Josh Allen, that will fail. That will not work. And we have talked about this with Jared Goff and Jalen Hurst, who are, you know, in the category of Brock's. Beat them. They've beat him. Like, we've kind of seen it both ways, but both guys started kicking ass when their teams surrounded them with unlimited talent. And that is the pressure on the 49ers. Brock had a ton of success in that situation. The moment some of their injuries started happening down the stretch of the season, he did not play as well. That's just. That's an objective take. And I don't know anyone that would disagree. Ton of awful interceptions down the stretch of the season where the season was still alive. So I just think anytime you're in a slippery slope of like, okay, you're putting all your chips in the middle of the table and your team's not as good, like, you better be, like, understand what is around that door. It could get really weird really fast, and there's nothing you can really do about it. Okay. Welcome to chasing challenges brought to you by Microsoft. In the NFL, just like in the business world, overcoming obstacles is a key to success. Microsoft empowers business decision makers with AI solutions, simplified cloud and data management, and trustworthy, responsible technology to turn challenges into opportunity. In this segment, we'll explore some of the biggest challenges being faced in the NFL and how they can be overcome. Whatever challenge you're facing, Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say, bring it on. This week, we're discussing the challenge faced by all these teams that just signed big free agents. Because I was part of a free agent class when I worked in Philly, called the Dream Team. And we brought in a lot of guys and some of them did not fit the scheme. Some of them just were over the hill and couldn't play in the NFL. When you pay a guy a lot of money and most of these contracts aren't crazy, right? 30, 40, $50 million. But in 2025, once you have signed that guy, there are expectations on him to not only start, but to play pretty well. Most of these guys, the expectation is for them not to be like an All Pro or a Pro Bowler. Best case scenarios, like a Zach Bond. But like worst case scenario is just, can you just start? For me, can you just stay on the field and be a functional starter? And that's why it is so important for the scouting department, the coaching staff and the player to understand what they're getting into. Because I totally get if I'm a player, this might be the only time that I can ever break the bank. I'm just coming off a big season, someone's offering me millions of dollars. Especially if it's the first time I've hit free agency and I'm a fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, I haven't made any money. But you better be on the same page as the coach and the GM who are signing you to that money. What they are going to ask you to do schematically fits your skill set and what you just excelled at doing for your previous team. Because we see time and time again that a player, a corner, a linebacker, a receiver will go and it just doesn't work for whatever reason. You're like, I've seen this guy play before, he's good. And then you see him with that team, you're like, he no longer is good. And a lot of times it's not because the guy's legs are shot or he just forgot how to catch or he doesn't understand a playbook. It's like what they are asking him to do is not actually the strength that he brings to the table as a professional football player. So the reason you see guys excel as free agent signings is because there's typically a seamless scheme fit. And a coach knows that with that player, he can put him in the right positions to utilize whatever he brings to the table physically. And when that is not the case, that's where you get problems. And I'm fascinated. Like, obviously some of these free agents are going to be seamless fits. They're going to be starters for teams that go to the playoffs and the general manager will get a lot of credit and there are going to be a lot that are going to be a huge reason that that general manager takes a lot of crap that is like wait, you spent all this money on this guy and he can't play? If you're winning, none of it matters. The Eagles huff last year, no one even talks about it. Why won the Super Bowl. When you start winning five, six, seven games and your team is watching round one of the playoffs and you're, you know your players are headed to Cancun and your coaching staff all as their head down in their office, it usually like that becomes a huge, huge point of conversation. So the work that went in the last, I would say several weeks, obviously you scout these players all season long but like these last couple weeks are okay. Are we good with putting pen to paper and giving player x a $28 million signing bonus to be our starting right tackle or to be our starting middle linebacker or to be our starting nickel corner? You know once you, once you do that, that guy is going to play. That guy is going to start for you. You pencil him in as a starter. So even if you draft some good young players, that guy's going to get the benefit of the doubt. And if it does not go well, you know football is kind of a big deal and a lot of fans would not be happy and usually that's who the owners listen to of like what is going on. So that's it for this week's chasing Challenges. Remember, Microsoft's AI solutions empower you to make bold steps and make informed decisions, speaking new ideas to help drive your business forward. With Microsoft as your trusted partner, you can navigate your journey with confidence, finding innovative solutions and reaching new possibilities. Visit Microsoft.com challengers to learn more.
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Greg Rosenthal
AI is redefining what's possible for your business. Are you up to the challenge? Microsoft is helping leaders like you get AI ready faster with unified data and simplified platform management, unlocking up to 150% improved output across industries. Leaders are turning to Microsoft's AI tools and guidance to rise to the challenge. For the NBA, that means using AI powered insights to deliver more personalized fan experiences. For BMW, it means innovating their development process safely and securely. And for Lego House, it means creating new interactive experiences for people to explore. With Microsoft's trustworthy AI tools and guidance, you can drive greater impact. Business leaders Microsoft surveyed saw an average of 3.7 times ROI per $1 invested in generative AI. Whatever challenge comes next, let Microsoft help you keep pushing forward. For more details, visit Microsoft.com challengers we.
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Jeremy Hobson
Live in A divided country. I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people.
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John Middlekauff
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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John Middlekauff
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
- [32:42]
Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
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John Middlekauff
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
Jeremy, Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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Greg Rosenthal
Thanks for having me.
- [32:50]
Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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John Middlekauff
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
- [32:59]
Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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John Middlekauff
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlekauff
Okay, we are gonna do a little mailbag. Onmiddalcoff. Is the Instagram fire in those DMs? Get your questions answered here on the show. We had to give it a couple days. Anyone that slid in those DMS and said, congrats on the wedding, congrats on the nuptials. I'm wearing a ring. I lasted with the, like, silver ring for 24 hours. By the time I got back on Monday afternoon, I had already ordered rubber black and gray rings because I just, I can't. The silver ring I can't wear on a daily basis. I can't go to the gym. I can't shower. I can't. I couldn't wear podcasting like it just felt I could wear to nice occasions. I'll wear it, you know, if I'm dressed up or whatever, but rubber rings. A lot of people at my wedding were guys who had lost rings and said rubber all day. Immediately get home. Glad I did. But I appreciate everyone that reached out, said thank you and or I thank you for your kind words. Both dive into the mailbag. Do you think the bills will get the same result with Joe Joey Bosa as they did with Vaughn Miller, both older, past their prime, banged up and coming off or coming from warm Los Angeles? I think it's pretty clear they are signing these guys to get over the Casey Hump in January. But Vaughn Miller couldn't stay healthy that long. And I wonder if Bosa will be able to as well. That's why I thought Miles Garrett would have been perfect for them. As a Pats fan, I'm fucking pumped to see us ball out Day one in free agency. Our defense looks absolutely stacked on paper and I like the Mac Hollands pickup. What do you think the next move will be in free agency? It's funny, I saw that the Patriots are doing a one o'clock or noon press conference I think on Thursday to introduce all their free agents. And someone on Twitter today was like, this is like a, is a foreign concept to the Patriots. I mean, Belichick for 20 plus years laughed at the notion of signing anyone in free agency. Now, in fairness to Variable and what they're doing, it's because of the roster, how crappy it was that they needed more talent. But if I was a Patriot fan, I would be excited, you know, I mean, this is, you just got some real players at a bunch of different positions, not guys like, you know, ideally you nail some franchise players in the draft, but you know, Milton Williams, real player, that's, that's a really, really good draft pick. Especially with a stud like Vrabel who knows defense. So I'd be excited. I think the difference, I remember, remember Von Miller's career felt like it was slipping away. And then the Rams, I forget, was it a second and a third round pick? They traded for Von Miller and the Broncos ate all the money. So they essentially bought picks and they gave him Von Miller. I'm pretty sure Von Miller every, like the last couple games of the season and every playoff game, including the super bowl, had a, had a sack. So the Bills were like, he's got it back. And then my number could be a little off. But I thought they guaranteed him close to $50 million. They gave them an enormous contract. They gave Joey Bosa one year, $12 million. And again, the numbers that we have, how do they guarantee him 5 of that? 12 or 8 of that 12 and the other is incentives. I have no problem taking a swing on that. I have no problem doing one year deals on elite talents that are kind of older that have been banged up, especially if you're a good team. I think you do that deal all day long and twice on Sundays. Now, ideally he's healthy for the home stretch and he could have some big plays in December and in January and help you get over the hump. To me, if you had given them two years, you know, $40 million, it'd be like, that's crazy. But I can give one year deals all day long to guys like Joey Bosa. So I like the move a lot. And it's like I thought, you know, I don't know why I thought this because his brother was on the team. It's like, is he going to be a 49er? He made the right decision. They got you sign up $12 million, which was clearly more money than he was getting other places, including incentives or whatever. But to hop on the ride with Josh Allen and they just got to keep him healthy because he's just, he's been hurt a lot. I mean, a lot, a lot. It feels like he's been way more banged up. And in fairness to Von Miller, Von Miller was a better player than Joey Bosa. You know, when they're both like in the prime of their career. Huge fan from the outside of Chicago, in the burbs as a Bears fan since birth. 98, you're young. I can't remember us having a more stacked O line this upcoming season. Lots of chatter coming out of the Bears should make a splash and take genti with the 10th pick. But I'd rather snag another lineman for rotation like Campbell or Banks with Thuney being older. What do you say? Well, I think there's two ways to look at it. One, I am opposed to taking running backs really high when the depth of a running back class is deep. I mean, there are countless guys who will start for you in the second and third round of this draft. I promise you that. Now, if the equivalent of like Saquon Barkley or Bijan Robinson or Christian McCaffrey when he was coming out of Stanford was in this draft and you put him on the Bears team to go with your young quarterback and that offensive line, I think it would be really explosive. So like I'm anti taking running backs because it's an economic exercise. There are going to be sweet defensive linemen there. So you could get a defensive lineman who can be like a cornerstone of your franchise where ideally you're not drafting 10th again. But like if Genty turns out to be, I mean an elite all pro talent, which I'm still. I know he broke more tackles in college football than any other player. I got my start in the wac, which is now the Mountain West. It is not the big tenor of the sec. He is a special player. He's an awesome player. But he did dominate in a separate level of competition. Then I saw him against Penn State and it was much more difficult. Now it's I'm not. All this stuff is not apples to apples. Going to Chicago doesn't mean he won't be able to break NFL tackles. But it's a conversation we're having if I'm Ryan polls at the end of the day, I think the right move again, assuming Genti becomes a good player. You got to assume the guy you're going to draft. Ideally a defensive lineman. We just had this exercise last year. Roma dunes a sexy player. Genti, sexy player. Do you know what wins line of scrimmage? Go grab yourself. Where did the Eagles get Jalen Carter, pick nine. Now obviously he most drafts he's. If he hadn't been in trouble or gone through the car accident, he would have been number one or two pick in the draft. But like there are going to be some players because a couple quarterbacks are going to go, a couple offensive linemen are going to push guys down. You're going to get one of the better defensive linemen in this draft. I just think that is the right football move. And then with a later pick, pull the trigger on a running back. That would be my move. Congrats on the wedding. I know you're a big Nashville guy. Would you ever consider moving down here? You know, when we were there, we Thursday I played golf with my brother in law, which is weird to say, and my brother and we went down to Vanderbilt's course. You know, it's been a rough winter, so the course is. A lot of the grass is dead, but the course is sick. I've actually played there before, years ago. The Vanderbilt clubhouse is remarkable. It really is. And when we were leaving the course, Peyton Manning was standing right there chipping, it looked like with his kid. I was like, damn, Peyton Manning's here. And the area in the suburbs out where the Vanderbilt course is in Franklin and Brentwood is just badass. So would I leave the West Coast? No. But if we do well in life, would I buy a place there? Without hesitation. Now, for my wedding, we were staying downtown. So it was basically like a Vegas bender. You know, from Wednesday, Thursday, little bit Friday and then really hard Saturday. So that's, you know, the life in the burbs with the hills. It reminds me a lot of, you know, where I grew up in Sacramento area, probably about 30 minutes toward the city where I would live for a long time in Walnut Creek. It's called the East Bay, Danville, Pleasanton. It's forever where a lot of like just people lived. I mean it's gorgeous. It's some of the most Expensive real estate in all of California. You know John Gruden used to have a pad there. It's just beautiful rolling hills. Franklin has some vibe like that. Just a little safer and a lot less taxes. But I mean it's now become very, very expensive. I would get a pad down there in a New York minute. I'm not a big humidity guy. That's my only thing. It is nice to feel their winter. It's kind of cold, kind of like that. But the humidity. I know it gets hot in Arizona, but there's humidity is a different animal. It's my only issue with the south, you know, on the food. A lot of stuff's fried but which I like. I just get really fat Question for the mailbag thoughts on this Niner should have let Purdy walk to pay. Keep some guys departing and trade it up into the top five or seven to draft Shador. I think with Shanahan he would be a great fit along with a quarterback on a rookie deal with the Raiders jets out of the quarterback race is the draft a very good chance he could even be there at 11. Truly depends which would imagine Cam Ward is number one to the Giants via trade. I think it's pretty clear. I think the Titans are going to take Cam Ward. I think that's to my knowledge as we sit here right now. They have not signed anyone. I think Cam Ward is going to be the pick and then my guess would be the Browns take Abdul Carter and then the Giants are on the clock. It's like do they take Shador or they just take Travis Hunter? I don't even. Do they have a quarterback yet? I guess it depends on Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson. But you can't. Purdy's under contract like Purdy makes if you draft Shador at 11. Shador makes way more money than Purdy would if he's just keeps his contract. So I think Purdy's not a free agent. You know Purdy, there's all this talk I always. It always drives me nuts last year about tua. It's like can't we just make him or Trevor Lawrence like whatever happened to finishing out contracts? Shit. The Bengals are doing it with Jamar Chase. Now you can argue people think the Bengals are crazy, but I would lowball is when I hear that term like low ball relative to what I'd argue like you're not. You're offering less than Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, I think Trevor Lawrence contract's an embarrassment. So yeah, I'm gonna offer less than that. I don't do business like the Jags. I mean look at their franchise. They draft in the top five every year. If I'm Kyle Shanahan, I can't even relate to them. But I just think it's an awful contract. So like my take was simple. Three years, 120 million guarantee, every penny. It's like you've been making a million dollars. Who's turning that down? Play it out if you want. Like this is a business. Like whatever happened to be in cutthroat in business. All of us deal with it in all of our industries. The NFL used to be the most cutthroat business and now it's like, and it still is with all these other positions. Yet with quarterback, it's like, oh, how much do you want Trevor Brock? Do you want 200 million? Here you go. It's like, unless your name's Josh Allen Mahomes Lamar. Like I'm negotiating the shit out of these deals. And it feels like some of these teams like to a hat. What do you want? 175 here, buddy. Like you guys nuts. Was listening the other day and you were talking about NFL contracts and said NFL contracts are nowhere near as big as NBA ones. Why is this? The NFL is far bigger product, higher ratings and meaningful regular season. Unlike the NBA, football is so much more physically demanding. What gives numbers? I mean there are 12 guys on an NBA team and your top two guys on the, on an NBA team can carry you to championships. There are 53 guys on a roster and even if you have a top heavy roster, you need, I don't know, seven, eight elite players. And then you need a second tier of another 10 guys. So there are just more mouths to feed. Just, it's just, you know, if there were 12 guys on an NFL team, then I think NFL players would make way more money. But you have to have a roster of 53 guys. So I just think it's that it's just a math game. If you do the total accumulation, the NFL is making way more millionaires than basketball or baseball because they're just more players now. The top guys make way more money. But the guarantee thing is like a business thing. Like the owners fight to not guarantee the money because of the risk is involved with the injuries. Now the money's so big, even if you don't get everything guaranteed, you're still making so much money. It's kind of got to the point where revenue so huge, it's like even if I get a hundred million dollar contract, I don't live it out I still get 70 million of was way shittier for the guys back in the day when the numbers were way smaller and you were a good player. You'd sign like a four year $20 million deal, you ruin your leg year two and you'd only get 8 million which again 8 million 20 years ago. Still a lot of money. But the amount of money they're making now is so huge. I was thinking since the Vikings are probably going to roll with McCarthy. I don't think there's anything they are rolling with McCarthy but I think they would get Flacco or Gardner Minshew as a veteran quarterback. Both have experience and are top of the line backup quarterbacks in the market. Thank you. What do you think? I would guess that they signed some guy like that. I mean you're going to need some insurance just based on the dude got missed the entire first season because of his knee and needed multiple surgeries. And the last time we saw him he looked like he weighed kind of jealous like £175. But I would, yeah, I mean I, I would be stunned if they don't pull the trigger on some sort of veteran quarterback. The terminology bothers me. This mailbag question. Tampering. Tampering is defined as making changes to something that you should not usually when you are trying to damage or do something illegal. But it's not against the rules. But more to the point, I'm a layman for those of us who aren't in quote unquote the know. Can you explain why this tampering period even matters? Why not just let people talk you around? What's the point? Well, you can't let people talk you around because I, I can't. We can't have. What's tampering is way more I would say describes what's happening in college football. Let's say it's week four. Let's use the NFL as an example. And I got Milton Williams on my team. I can't have other teams talking to him about a future contract. That can't happen. And that's what happens in college football. So the year round talk, you can't have that because that, that was just becomes very shady. Even though kind of, I mean it's not like conversations don't still happen but that is not allowed now. I do think once the season ends they kind of pretend that these last couple, you know, couple days like give me a break. I think at the combine it's why the NFL doesn't really get anyone gets in trouble every. It's a free for all. So you could argue just let I talked about this yesterday. Just let everything start at the combine and pick a date when you're allowed to make things official. But like everyone's allowed to do whatever it becomes official partly because you got to cut down your roster for cap reasons. But maybe, maybe Wednesday the 12th this year everything becomes official like it did. But starting Saturday of the combine or Thursday of the combine, you're allowed to do whatever you want Theory about Daniel Jones and the Colts I think the Colts know that DJ is bad and are using him as a metric against Anthony Richardson. If he can't beat Daniel Jones, then he's done and if he does, then hopefully there's some confidence built. Pretty sure this is his last year in his rookie contract. No, he's got one more year. If assuming they don't pick up the fifth year option, which they would have to do at the end of this year. This, this is going into year three for Anthony Richardson because he was in the CJ Stroud and Bryce Young draft. Pretty sure this is the last year of his contract. I think if he isn't what they expect, then both will be released in the Colts will draft a quarterback high. Like you said, Daniel is book smart. Maybe that's what they think AR needs. I don't hate that theory, right? If you can't beat out Daniel Jones, then you're just, you're done with him. And if he does, it just might build a little confidence. Don't hate, don't date at that at all. Because you can't bring in a guy who could like legitimately beat him out, right? Like in, in training camp you couldn't bring Gardner Minshew back, for example. What if Gardner Minshew just know Shane Steichen system is just better. It's like, well he gives us a better chance to win than Anthony Richardson. So you bring in a guy that you think actually is bad. But if he does somehow win the job, then the Anthony Richardson experiments one of the worst of all time. But if Anthony Richardson beats him out, then just build some confidence. But he still has to do it on the field. I don't think it would cement his future with the Colts. But you're right, it would give some confidence. And listen. Any young person who's listening to this can relate. Or old person my age that has been young. Like confidence is very fleeting. Comes in, it goes when you got it, you just feel on top of the world. And when you're young you can lose it really Quick. And it feels like you're never going to get it back. So Anthony Richardson, he can act, you know, and I'm not saying he is, but, like, did feel early on kind of cocky. It's like, bro, this is just really, really hard. This is not easy. Bro, this is not easy. How painful was it when your wife made you kiss her in the middle of a busy intersection? I think she's talking. He's talking about something that got posted on Instagram. It really wasn't. It was her idea. We. We threw a reception at the hotel. We. We did a small wedding. There were like 60 people there, and we did the reception and we got married at the hotel. We had dinner at the hotel and then we rented out basically a block away from the hotel at one of the bars on Broadway. Just our own little floor with a band and, you know, open bars and stuff. It actually turned out to be pretty sweet. But when we went there, we walked past it to go to the intersection. So take like a picture so you could see the whole strip of Broadway in the back. It was her idea. I think it actually worked out pretty well. One thing I realized, like, our house, we don't really have, like, decorations or paintings or pictures. Like, it's pretty barren. Like, you. You would think I'm like a football coach. Like, I could leave at any moment. So hopefully we get some stuff to just decorate the house with. But it was. It was a good idea by her Mailbag. What are your thoughts on the outlook with the Arizona Cardinals? I believe coach has turned the tide and the team plays extremely hard for him. How do you think they are trending? What else do you think they need to do to get back in the playoffs? Well, they need the quarterback to play well. And I thought last year the quarterback kind of fell apart as the season went on. I mean, at one point in time, were they five and five or six and six? Like, they looked pretty feisty. He had some bad moments in some big games. Now defensively, you add sweat, hopefully get a little pass rush. Maybe you add another pass rusher in this draft. You drafted Marvin Harrison over Malik Neighbors. And as someone told me going into that draft, they're like, he wouldn't. Monty Austin Fort is not going to take Malik Neighbors too much risk involved, even if he is the better talent. Okay, so you take the high floor guy, the guy that can't miss. Well, his high floor was like, this guy is going to be Pro Bowler. It's like he got a long way to go and he's Solid. But, like, Malik Neighbors looks like his talent has a chance to be, like, a special, special player. I'm talking like, Malik Neighbors looks like he, if he's healthy, a top five wide receiver in the NFL. So when you make a move like that, you need Marvin Harrison. Even if he's not as good as Malik Neighbors, you need to be like, well, Marvin's going to make three or four Pro Bowls. It's like, okay, he'd be okay. But if you don't, like, that's. That'd be a little bit of a problem. So I'm with you. I like Jonathan Gannon. I do think the quarterback's a little bit of a wild card. I kind of enjoy him just because I think he's one of the biggest freaks in the history of the league. I mean, he's 5, 9, and he's, like, faster than everybody and he's got a huge arm. But, like, that. That size does limit sometimes, like, his ability to see. It's pretty clear. But they're just. There's a weird team. I just don't. I think you can have good months. I think it's hard to have good season with Kyler. It's weird because he's not, like, he's not bad, but is he good? That's my thing. It's like, there are a lot of bad quarterbacks in the NFL. That is not Kyler. Like, he can have bad games or make bad throws, but, like, he can play. But, like, is he. Is he a top 7, 8, 9, 10 quarterback, or does he just. Like. Some weeks he'll be eight, and then a lot of weeks he'll be like, 18, which can be a problem when you're paying a guy a lot of money. He's one of the more bizarre players in the league. Big fan of the show. Congrats on the marriage. Can you talk about T.J. watt? On the last year of his deal and only set to make 21 million. I can't believe no one else has brought it up. After the Garrett deal. I think there's no way he plays at that number. Any chance Pitt deals him? I did not know that. I would say there is. Just like, what's his number now? He's been injured a couple times. Like, Miles Garrett is just a better player. God, you're right. This is the last year of his contract. Cap hits, 30 million cap. It's pretty big. I guess you could extend them. You know, TJ's a badass, but how old is TJ now? So it'll be 31. So he's a couple years older than Garrett. I mean, would you give tj? I don't think he'd get quite Miles's number. But are you giving him $120 million? So you're basically locking him up till he's like 34, 35. I'd probably play it out because you're already, I mean the league you already started and you're playing him on the, on the 30 million dollar cap it. So I think that one's tough. You know, he had some injuries last year that would rattle me a little bit. I mean, he's had some sweet seasons, but I don't know, you know, 22, he was hurt last year. He didn't miss any time, but he was banged up a lot. It's a tough one. I probably would play it out. Mailbag question. You have to become the general manager of one of the top five draft picking teams. Who do you pick and why? So we got the Titans, we got the Browns, we got the Giants, we got the Patriots and we got the Jags. So I can immediately throw away the Jags though. Be good little golfing area. I would, I wouldn't choose that. Patriots just too cold and shadow Belichick or whatever. I think for me, Cleveland, no way. No offense to people that live in Cleveland. I appreciate your love of football in Ohio, I really do. Just not a huge Midwest guy. To me it's, it's two choices. It's the Titans in Nashville is the easy choice. I think for me, live like a king. Beautiful area, easier division. It'd be just. They're building a brand new stadium that they, they're probably like a year away. They're going to, I'm sure they're going to host the super bowl there. I think it's going to have a retractable roof. Just an awesome place for football. They care about football deeply in the south. And unlike Jacksonville, I think the Titans are just a much bigger brand. That's the easy choice for me. If you're a football guy and you're going to accept one of these jobs, I mean taking the job of the New York Giants is kind of the real deal. I mean it, if you win as the general manager of the New York Giants, you become a fucking legend. Period. Point blank, end of story. So I think do I want the lifestyle or do I want to go for broke and try to become a legend? And it's, it's not easy, right? But if you get it right and you build winning football teams and you're Jerry Reese or you are Ernie A. Corsi. Like, you know, it's. You become minted in that city. And I'm not even a big New York City guy. But sports mean a lot in the Northeast and the Giants and their history, you know, multiple Super Bowls with Eli, multiple Super Bowls with Parcells. And when it's just solid, when they're just like, competing a 9, 10 plus win team, like, you're playing in the biggest primetime games every year you play the Cowboys and the Eagles, and now the Commanders are good. Like, it's just a lot of eyeballs on that team. And it's why it's kind of sad what's happened to them now because their games are so irrelevant, they've been so bad. And here's the other thing. Like, are you talking, like, right now if I just became the GM or like, you know, football guy X becomes the GM of the New York Giants, and you resurrect this franchise in, like, next year? Like, think of Adam Peters and Dan Quinn when they're walking around D.C. it's like, Dan, we got you. We'll get. We'll get the check. Which I always find funny. Someone, you know, you always hear, like, football coaches or. Or, you know, quarterbacks never have to. Brandon Graham never has to pay for a drink in Philly again. Jalen hurts. You know, Brandon Graham's worth like a hundred million dollars. Like, I mean, a lot of people that come in here don't have the money. But listen, that's a rant for another day. But I always find that never has to pay. The richest people never have to pay. It's always great about being rich and famous. You actually get a lot of free stuff, and we're just a normal citizen with, you know, limited funds. You actually have to pay for everything. No one gives you shit. But I, you know, she want marriage, she'd want to go to Nashville. I think for a football standpoint, you just. You'd have to swing for the fences, man. New York Giants, resurrect them and just try to become a legend. The volume. This is Nikki Glaser from the Nikki Glazer Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country, and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up. Call it out and you can learn more by following at what's up with Hate? 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Daniel Jeremiah
Order what's up everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs Mock Drafts to my top one 101, free agents will have it covered for you with all new episodes every Thursday keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.