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Greg Rosenthal
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlekauff
The volume what is going on My people? How are we doing? I'm john. This is 3Now podcast. Hopefully everyone is having a good day. It is currently pouring rain outside my office, torrential downpour here in Scottsdale. We've had update. A bunch of people from my wedding got really sick. Some had to go to urgent care. I guess this thing called the flu is going around. I thought I got it. Well, I did get it a couple times over the last, I don't know, three, four months. Thought I had immunities, but I definitely have not felt great this week. At first I thought it was a hangover like on like Monday. It's like, ah, it's kind of the hangover come down and then it's just kind of gotten worse. I did not feel very good today at all. But luckily we're not digging ditches here. We're just podcasts and I was able to put a bunch of electrolytes in a Stanley Slam them and do a podcast. So we will look back on free agency because it's, I don't want to say it's over, but it's definitely slowing down. Talk Some quarterbacks from Sam Darnold to Aaron Rodgers to Mac Jones and Kyle Shanahan finally get to unite in their love of football together. So Mac Jones is now the backup quarterback for the 49ers. Do a couple Fugazi Fridays slash rants System thoughts on Life and Mailbag the Mailbag questions. I need a lot of them. It's the off season. I need you guys fire in those DMs at John Middlekopf. If any of you over the last like month have given questions and I haven't read them, follow up or something. It'll. It'll kind of get you to the back of the top where you'll show up on my inbox in the Instagram. So make sure you do that so I can notice because I had so much going on in there that a lot got lost in the shuffle. But make sure we're going to need them. We're going to go heavy on the mailbag in the off season. So hit that and hit that hard. And make sure you subscribe to 3Now podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel. And other than that, let's talk some football. And I guess I'm just going to ask a question. Is free agency overrated in the NFL? Obviously it's not in baseball and it's not in basketball, but is it overrated in football? And don't get me wrong, I like you. Get excited. It is fun to watch these transactions. It is been something I've looked forward to as a sports fan my entire life. It is cool. I enjoy this week. I enjoy watching guys star, big names get traded, guys get signed, teams get really aggressive with cap space. I'm not acting like I am not into this, but after you give it a couple days, you take a deep breath and you look back and you go, isn't this always the most overrated time of the league year? Because first of all, the best dynasty of my life was Belichick. He never really dabbled in this. He always waited for the second tier guys that he got for no money or older players who were high level Pro bowl guys willing to give him a discount. He rarely if ever broke the bank on guys that weren't his guys. The current dynasty, the Kansas City Chiefs, their core guys have been three people. They drafted Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey and Chris Jones. And they won their first super bowl with Tyree Kill, who they also drafted. And then they flipped. And how they continued this dynasty was basically through that draft was a huge part of it with McDuffie and Karlovskas. But when you think about like the Chiefs, who has been their huge signing over the last five, six years, an offensive lineman here or there, like they are not signing Justin Reed, you know, it's. They are not out there fishing in the deep end of the pond. And I thought about last year and again, I'm not trying to hate on any team that signed players. Totally understand if I'm the Minnesota Vikings or if I'm the Chicago Bears. Basically if you take those two teams, they had five starting offensive linemen, right? The Vikings did two and the Chicago Bears did three. Totally understand why they would do that. If I was in their shoes, I probably would do the same. But like when I see Aaron Banks get $88 million from the packers, like, yeah, they need a guard. Is that a good contract? Like, I mean, I understand people around the league go, that's kind of rich. But look at last year. You could argue the best signing of the year when you factor in the money was Zach Bond. How he gave him like one year, $4 million. He was first team all pro. He was honestly one of the better players non quarterback in the NFL. Obviously Saquon had the best running back season, but Derrick Henry had the second best running back season. The Baltimore Ravens gave him $8 million, $8 million guaranteed. So some of these contracts that are getting thrown around. Milton Williams gets a huge amount of money. All my buddies with the Eagles love the guy. I mean, he's a stud. He had an incredible season. I don't even think he played over 50% of the snapshot. And he also got to play the majority of the time next to what many consider the best and most talented young defensive lineman in the league in Jalen Carter. So you have a guy you're given I mean, I hate, you know, talking about it this way. It's just easier sometimes. Like 25, $26 million a year, who's never even become close to a full time player and really benefited from playing next to a superstar. And I'm not anti the Patriots signing, but these contracts that get thrown out for these players set enormous expectations because you're no longer talked about. Like, let's face it, the, the core of the, of the Chiefs over the last however many years have been guys they've drafted and developed. Same thing with the Patriots for a long time. Same thing with a lot of the good teams. You know, in the NFL when you look at the Eagles, the 49ers, the Detroit Lions, it doesn't mean you can't supplement players. But we talk so aggressively about this time, like this is going to change this team, this team. It's like, I don't know, we'll see the cohesion, the chemistry that's built over time. Like I love what the Bears did, it was a no brainer doing all that. But like offensive line chemistry isn't just built overnight, it takes time. And same thing with, with the, with the Minnesota Vikings adding two new starting offensive linemen now it, I would say adding guards and centers in theory should be the easiest plug and play in all of the sport. But I just think this time of year it's kind of a tried and true way we react and we're all, including myself, guilty of this is the way we talk about these moves usually isn't the way they actually play out. So is free agency overrated? I think it's fair to say in the National Football League it is a little bit. You know, I was watching Sam Darnold give his press conference today and it's pretty clear that that game that he had against McDonald and Seattle that essentially knocked them out of the playoffs and I would say was his defining moment as a, from a positive standpoint for Sam this year, that game winning touchdown on the road was a huge, huge reason that Mike felt very confident about supporting the signing. And even he talked about it obviously having a front row seat in that game. But it was the way that we had game planned against him throughout the week of essentially watching all of his snaps. And I think sometimes you got to be careful with that. But like that held, it was held in high regard when it came to their head coach. That performance and his performance previously because that was before the last couple games. But watching Sam Darnold talk and right before that they tweeted out like the. I don't think it's called periscope anymore, but YouTube, wherever it's streamed at on Twitter is Seattle had put something out on Geno Smith, who clearly resurrected his career in Seattle and became a really solid player. And you start thinking about some of the players in the NFL like it's, it's a no brainer when you talk about the star players. Like Patrick Mahomes is good immediately, right? Josh Allen after year one was sweet. Lamar Jackson was pretty incredible from early on, right? Joe Burrow's been pretty fucking good as long as he's been healthy. Justin Herbert had like one of the great rookie seasons we've ever seen and he was thrown in because Tyrod Taylor got a needle to his kidney. Most guys see a lot of crap, honestly, historically a lot of like great players. You know, I mean, Drew Brees was basically told, you're out of here for Philip Rivers. You know, Steve Young was a backup for a long period of time to Joe Montana, but before that was not viewed as a good player in Tampa Bay. And I think sometimes with quarterbacks, you know so many other players, because you get to rotate in kind of battle through stuff. And when you're bad early on your career, like most guys aren't incredible day one. Most guys aren't just like Aaron Donald or Justin Jefferson. Even great players, they go through adversity. And that's usually. And I think most people would agree in any line of work, that's how you learn. Like you usually don't learn that much when everything's going well. Why is that? Because you don't like, look that much inward. You don't have that much perspective on things because things are good and you don't have to overthink anything. And when things are bad, you kind of got to like lay it all on the table and look yourself in the mirror. And I think Sam Darnold, I think Geno Smith and I think Baker Mayfield are good examples of like Pete Carroll just traded a third round pick for a 35 year old quarterback. Why? Because he kind of swears by the guy and I think he thinks that like Gino's a really impressive person, obviously on top of a solid player. And when you look at what Baker Mayfield has done down in Tampa, how much, I'm not even talking about how well he's played, but how much the guys on that team like him, I don't know if they would be where they're at without kind of going through the Andy Dufresne sewer And coming out on the other end. And listen, I'm done psychoanalyzing what Aaron Rodgers, you know, or why it's taking him so long when he's going to make a decision. At this point in time, I'm assuming he's going to continue to play. Like that is my assumption. He's either going to play on the Giants or more than likely the Pittsburgh Steelers. And I think a lot of people think that he's waiting to announce it at McAfee's deal, which I was like, oh, that makes some sense. McAfee's doing this live show in Pittsburgh. But then I Google it. The McAfee shows not till, like, April 9th. Like, that would be insanity if that is true. And he announces on April 9, like that, that's that. We've jumped the shark on that. And I don't think he's going to wait that long. Like, I understand, like, doing some, you know, thinking long and hard, though, from a football perspective, I think the Pittsburgh Steelers is an easy decision, assuming that they want him. But, you know, for the first time in a long time, Aaron's really kind of hit the skids. Like, they were really, really terrible. And people are talking about, like, is your career over? Like, it's not. The box score doesn't look that terrible, but when you watch you play, you're a shell of yourself and you're kind of done. And that might be true, but, like, that humbled all these other guys. Everyone talks shit about Sam Darnold, everyone talks shit about Baker Mayfield. People that Geno Smith was, like, a joke. And look at them now. They're all making 30, 40 million dollars. And Baker Mayfield second the league in touchdowns. Sam Darnold just had a team in the playoffs, you know, Geno Smith, I think three straight years, nine, nine, 10 wins in Seattle. Once they kicked Russell Wilson to the curb. Like, we've seen Russell Wilson, no matter what happens, negatively, is the same guy. Same cheesy, optimistic bs Like, Russell's time to pivot, bro. This ain't working. And I think Rogers, in a weird way, is a little more real, but also, like, he's been so used to. Held to such high esteem by every human being. One of the greatest ever. You're so good, you're going to carry the team. Hell, even the jets are going to. You're going to save our franchise. And it's like, not only are you not going to save our franchise, you're going to be an embarrassment. And if he does come back to play, I do Wonder if there's a little like self reflection and a little humility to like make you a better player, a better teammate. Because it clearly works for these other guys now. It's usually harder on the other end when you've been a superstar to change. You know the old sayings, like you don't teach an old dog new tricks. And at this point in time, Aaron Rodgers made, I don't know, $400 million MVPs. Maybe he just is what he is. And I listen. I'm not saying that he's going to change, but like smart guy, like there's no chance that maybe it's like a little humility moving forward. Time will tell. Mac Jones 49ers kind of a full circle moment because like most people it was highly publicized and highly reported on that for a long period of time. It was like, Kyle Shanahan is going to take Mac Jones with the number three overall pick, which I said at the time would have been the most insane draft pick in the history of the NFL. And I think we've kind of pivoting off this time of I don't care what you do for a living. Like the best of the best. Like the price of admission is working hard, getting up early, working late, you know, putting in a lot of effort, going above and beyond, like all the basic high level stuff. Like that's the price of admission in any competitive business with a lot of money on the line. Like what really separates the high end, like some people are just more talented than others, period, point blank, end of story. Some people are just better at what they do, they, their peers, whether it's the top sales guy, whether it's the top quarterback, whether it's the top dude on Wall Street. And that's what like I love about pro sports is watching the talent separate. And when you play starting quarterback in the NFL, like it's pretty clear of all the top guys in the league, like the top five or six, their talent is immense. Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. I would say Joe Burrow has the least amount of attributes, but he's just so instinctive and so good in terms of not the greatest athlete, not the biggest arm, but he's clearly just an elite player and his instincts are unreal. Matt Stafford is long in the tooth now, but like just an all time great talent. Like was drafted number one overall for a reason. And then it started this crew of guys like Mac Jones, right, who just doesn't have great physical skills. So even if they maximize everything and they're drafted in the perfect situation, their upside is always going to be limited. It's the conversation right now with Shador Sanders. So many of these conversations are so stupid around Shador Sanders. The main question people have is like, is he, does he have the elite skill set to be an unreal. A top 10 player? And that's highly up for debate in NFL teams where people go, doesn't mean you're going to be a good or a bad player. Do you have the physical characteristics like Cam Ward? Cam Ward could be the worst quarterback in the NFL or he could be the sixth best quarterback in the NFL. But he does have high end traits. Guys like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett do not. And historically those type players got drafted between like the third and the sixth round. And then there we went through this time where guys like Mac Jones were even talked about and discussed going number three overall. He ends up going 15th. Kenny Pickett goes 20th. Those are two of the most insane draft picks of my lifetime. Now you could go look at a guy like Brock Purdy who also doesn't have a great set of physical gifts. He probably got pushed down because of these other failures with being the last pick in the draft. He probably should have gone in like the fifth round. But again, like these should be low risk selections because for them to hit, everything has to go perfect. And when things get kind of derailed, they have limitations. So when I see this conversation of like, could Mac Jones be leveraged for Brock Purdy? They're two separate conversations. Mac Jones isn't remotely as good as Brock Purdy. It's not even close. Because back to the Joe Burrow thing, there's an instinctive nature to playing quarterback that, that Brock has that Max simply does not. Not as good of athlete, hell, not as even a good of an arm. And I, I think when you look at Kyle Shanahan, he has always kind of been obsessed and it's why the Trey Lance thing looking back, made no sense. I think he was kind of desperate and he was kind of hoping to like hit his. Josh Allen clearly blew up in his face and he's pivoted back, you know, kind of to the lane he's the most comfortable in. And that's taking guys like this. But ideally taking guys like this, you don't have to pick very high, right? So I do think it's just kind of fascinating. Guy like Mac Jones should be a 10 year backup. Kenny Pickett. I don't know if It'll be a 10 year backup, but should be. I think Mack Jones is a better player than Kenny Pickett but should be a backup in the NFL for several years, five, six years like starting now so he'll have a eight, nine, ten year career and I hopefully as we pivot away from this like overdrafting quarterbacks who lack the physical attributes you are setting yourself up to fail and you will find yourself in situations that you'll be like how did this happen? And it's called over drafting the player who's scoring big in the NBA this season. 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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country. I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people.
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John Middlekauff
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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John Middlekauff
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle. Thanks for having me, Jeremy. Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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Microsoft Representative
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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John Middlekauff
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jeremy Hobson
And when you subscribe to the Middle, you also get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news.
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John Middlekauff
We should be examining what our government spends its money on and are these jobs necessary and what are we doing here? But that doesn't seem to be what we're doing doing in this situation.
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Jeremy Hobson
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John Middlekauff
Okay, Fugazi Friday, I got a couple things. One, I, I don't know how many of you guys depending on where you live, you know, we all have different airline hubs. You know, for us in the West Coast, Southwest is a really big deal. Some, some of you, it could be Delta, some of you could be United, some of it could be American Airlines. For a large portion of my life, I've flown Southwest because when I've lived on the west coast, you kind of stick to going to Southern California, going to Vegas, coming to Arizona, maybe, you know, Pacific Northwest, like Seattle and Southwest had the cheapest flights. They also had the ability to get two free bags. So it was like a bargain airline which was just highly efficient. Like most people I knew that flew Southwest, like, never complain. It was easy, it was cheap. Those days are long gone. And I said this, I think when I was looking at flights, maybe what was that to the super bowl or might have been home during Christmas. I remember looking at like American Airlines first class flight wasn't that much more than just flying Southwest home. So the prices are no longer even competitive in terms of like, it's not even that cheap. Now they have officially announced there's no longer Random seating. So they're just going to be like every other airline. You buy a specific seat and there are no free bags. So their greatest advantage is now gone. Southwest is going to be this airline that used to be like, could hang his hat on, like, best deal, best deal at the airport to now it's like, it might be the worst deal at the airport. So I'm fascinated to watch what Southwest, what happens there. I also, and I talked about this last week, drinking on the plane. I do think, like, again, I don't fly. I've flown more times on American Airlines in the last six months than I probably have in my life. I wouldn't say splurge, because one, I had some, like, vouchers or, you know, whatever flyer miles that basically the flight was turned out to be a couple hundred bucks. But, like, I think they're first class. And I've flown first class, like, less than five times in my life. Pretty overrated experience. And I was talking to someone, obviously there are certain airlines, you know, Delta, United, depending on the flight, are way better experience. But domestic first class can be a little overrated because it's like, what am I really getting? Like, if you can fly for half as much in the business section, you get the same amount of legroom. Maybe you don't get a meal, but it's like, I don't want to fucking eat this meal anyway. It's like, you know, microwaved enchiladas. Again, I'm just speaking for American Thought it was. We took it on our way to our wedding, and then we flew Southwest home. It wasn't that big a difference, to be honest with you. The other thing was, this is just a couple quick rants. It is funny how some people and. And it's hard for me to put myself in their shoes, are just really terrified of public speaking. And obviously, there's a different level of public speaking, getting up and speaking at a wedding than, like, getting up and speaking in front of 10,000 people. I'm not acting like that would be easy, but I remember speaking at. Jesus. Different weddings, but specifically my brothers, and not even really thinking twice about it. You just got up, told some jokes and said some things that probably made some people uncomfortable, but also lightened up the room. And I didn't even think twice about it. And then at my wedding, I was. My brother was going to give a speech, and I was expecting him to just, you know, talk a little shit, say a couple zingers, and just get a couple laughs. Turns out I'm watching Him at, like, the cocktail hour. After we get done taking pictures, he's like, pacing, like, is Jeff okay? And it's like, yeah, he's really nervous. I'm like, nervous for what? They're like, the speech. I'm like, the speech. Just say a couple lines of me doing dumb stuff and say, you love me and move on. And then we eat dinner and I have to go. Like, I have to go to the bathroom. So I leave to go to the bathroom, and speeches are probably in, like, 10 minutes. And I come back in and I look and I see one piece of, like, steak. And no one else has any food on their table, and there's just one piece of steak. I'm like, has everyone eaten? Has the food come out yet? Because I'd already eaten probably 10 minutes before. They're like, yeah, everyone's eating. They've already taken the food away. I'm like, whose steak is that? They're like, that's Jeff's. Your brother. He's like, he can't eat. I'm like, why? I'm like, he's terrified. And then he gives, you know, like, probably a 20 second speech. And I just realized, like. And even he told me some people are just very, very uncomfortable doing that. And I think we take for granted, like, someone like myself, who I just. It's not only not saying that I don't get anxiety about certain things in life, like, I don't love. You know, looking at my portfolio the last couple weeks, that. That gets my ticker moving. But I just thought that it's not even a thing. And I actually thought he, you know, he'd be good. And it turns out. And I almost. Adam, you know, run the part of the wedding. What's it called? The. Not the. Or I can't even think of the word. You know, like, the act is like the. The priest. And he clearly wanted no part of it. Now, looking back, I'm. I'm glad. I'm glad I had Guy do it. And last but not least, I. I also wanted to get married after you hit a certain age. I was like, I'm gonna get married at the. I'm just gonna get married at the courthouse. Like, I. I don't need a wedding. You know, I'm 35, 36, 37 years old. Whenever I get married, I'm gonna get married at the courthouse. Easy in and out. And I. I was a huge believer in that. And I was adamant, like, that's what I'm gonna do. If we had whatever money we'd Put toward the wedding. Like, put it towards something else. Put it in the stock market, put it. Buy a second home. I don't know, let's do something else with it. And then Maria was adamant, like, I'm having a wedding. And I remember years ago, I was at some function, and I was talking to this guy whose wife was a wedding planner, and him just telling me. Because I remember telling him this. He's like, I think it would be a mistake. It'd be something you remember, whether it's big or small. But, like, you should have a wedding with your family and at least your closest friends. And I remember when we went into the courthouse to get the. You got to get the paper to, like, get signed to be officially married. And thinking, I'm really glad that I didn't just do this. Luckily, in my life, I've haven't gotten trouble. Like, I started thinking, like, when's the last time I've been to the courthouse? Beside, like, a field trip when I was, like, 12, I don't think I've ever been to the courthouse. So my thought of the courthouse is more. Much more based on, like, television or something you would see on television. And then you go in, you're like, this would have been an awful decision. And looking back on getting married last week, and we didn't have a big wedding. It was like 60 people and a lot of, you know, family, really, really close friends. That was kind of it. Like, it was. It was really small, and I'm really glad that we did that. And I was. I wouldn't say talked in because I was into it pretty early. Like, I was cool with it, but, like, I. I changed my tune pretty hard. Like, it was a hard pivot, because I swear, like, I was set in stone. I'm getting married at the courthouse. Then you go into the courthouse. You're like, people getting dragged in here for Dewey's and, you know, getting in trouble, and you got this going on here. It's like you got metal detectors here. It's like, yeah, I don't know if that's the greatest vibe. So any recommendation to young people that ever have that in their mind, even if you just get married with, you know, your parents, her parents, and, like, some brothers and sisters or something, I would recommend doing something where you can look back and at least have your family to just enjoy a nice dinner or something, because it is. It is a pretty cool night. The officiant. The officiant is the name I was looking for.
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Microsoft Representative
AI is redefining what's possible for your business? Are you up to the challenge? Microsoft is helping leaders like you get AI ready faster with unified data and simplified platform management, unlocking up to 150% improved output across industries. Leaders are turning to Microsoft's AI tools and guidance to rise to the challenge. For the NBA, that means using AI powered insights to deliver more personalized fan experiences. For BMW, it means innovating their development process safely and securely. And for Lego House, it means creating new interactive experiences for people to explore. With Microsoft's trustworthy AI tools and guidance, you can drive greater impact. Business leaders Microsoft surveyed saw an average of 3.7 times ROI per $1 invested in generative AI. Whatever challenge comes next, let Microsoft help you keep pushing forward. For more details, visit Microsoft.com challengers we.
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Jeremy Hobson
Live in a divided country. I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people.
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John Middlekauff
You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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Jeremy Hobson
That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices not from the extremes, but from the vast middle into the national conversation.
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John Middlekauff
Anna, I'm calling from Las Vegas.
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Jeremy Hobson
Each week we bring together an all star panel. Mark Cuban, so great to have you on the Middle.
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John Middlekauff
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
Jeremy Neil Degrasse Tyson, welcome to the Middle.
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Microsoft Representative
Thanks for having me.
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Jeremy Hobson
And hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country on the most important issues.
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John Middlekauff
Hi, my name is Venkat. I'm calling you from Atlanta, Georgia.
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Jeremy Hobson
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Jeremy Hobson
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John Middlekauff
Okay, let's do a little mailbag at John Middelkoff firing those dms. I I need more questions because a lot of them got lost in the shuffle because of I talked about this yesterday, but I got so many dms about the wedding that it's just made my inbox insane. So if you asked a question and I haven't even come close to answering it over the last week, like either re ask it or you know, throw another comment and it'll kind of come back up near the top. So I would recommend that if you want to get questions because it's the off season and obviously I'm going to need you guys. You guys, you guys are part of the team here. Question for the bag. What do you make of the Chargers off season? I know we will be primarily building through the draft, resigning our studs, Mack and hopefully Slater. Will you guys resign? Mack, Maybe you meant that. And look to avoid overpaying free agents. But looking at our cap space, we have as much as any team in the league and didn't make any signings. I wasn't looking at overpaying any stars, but thought we could build up our depth and retain starters like Puna Ford and J.K. dobbins. Wanted your take on Harbaugh's second off season as he builds the team in his image. Many are critical of our off season, but I've. See, this is. We. We talked about this earlier. You have to pay such a premium to get any of these players. So let's say you're the Chargers and you got some space. I don't have your cap space in front of me, but more than enough space to sign a couple sweet guys. It's like, okay, you just going to sign like Josh Sweat, the dude who went to the Cardinals for like 90 million and a ton of guaranteed. Are you going to sign Milton Williams for 25, 26? Like I. You're already a playoff team. Signing a big contract like that limits your flexibility. An underrated part about cap space is you can roll it over. So if you're a good team and you don't feel comfortable overpaying because that's what you have to do the last week, you overpay, which if the guy solid for you. Okay. But like you're looking for now. Difference makers. So when you Give Khalil Mack $18 million Again, it's been a long week, a little fuzzy, but I remember seeing the Chargers resign Khalil Mack $18 million. You feel really good about that. Even if it's a little overpay, you go, he's our type guy. Jim likes him. He fits our culture. When you sign these outside guys, you know, it's kind of risky. So I got no problem not playing in the deep end. This notion too that they were going to sign, like they're not going to give T. Higgins $100 million. They were never going to trade for D.K. metcalf. Like, that's not how Harbaugh does business. I think I'd have full faith. Is going to be pretty good. I did question a little bit Najee Harris, who actually I think the last couple years has looked the Best of his NFL career, they gave him $10 million. Again, I'm not Mike Florio here breaking down the contract, so I just kind of take it on face value till I read otherwise. But he's making decent money. Jim Harbaugh. When I lived in the Bay Area, Najee Harris was the biggest star in the Bay Area. He went to Antioch High School and he was being recruited by Alabama. Well, Jim Harbaugh was trying to sign him as well and used to recruit the hell out of him at Michigan. So, like, that's one of those that Jim's liked since he was in high school. And now he finally got him. Guys, on the wedding. Funny enough, my dad was also in Nashville this past weekend. I have a question for the mailbag. Why do you think it's a bad idea for the Browns to extend Myles Garrett? I don't believe that they are that far away from contending. They won 11 games and made the playoffs in 23 with a heavily injured roster. I think all they need is competent quarterback play and they'll be right back in the playoffs. Well, I didn't, like, trust me, I would want Miles Garrett on my team. And I didn't just come up with the idea, like, let's trade him. He came out and said, trade me. If Miles Garrett had said, like, I want to be a Brown, I would have done exactly what they did. Pam, like, you're in the business of keeping. But once he goes, I want out. And you go, we got this Deshaun Watson disaster. We got the number two overall pick. I just thought it would have been a time to kind of blow it up and not even blow it up. Like you said, you still got good players. You just kind of get a bunch of first round pick. It's like transitional period. And they obviously threw a bunch of money at him, which I respect. Like, they. They kind of went old school. He's like, I want to trade. And I don't think he was just bullshitting. Like, I think he was pretty adamant he was going on the shows. He was doing it. And they're like, we're gonna offer you so much money. Good luck saying no. And I'll say this about Jimmy Haslam. They pay. They pay a lot of cash. And this is what I said about, like, if Shador had gone into that interview, like you'd want, like, you get really, really rich with that team. Like, really rich. I mean, he pays more than any team in the league. When will NFL GMs wake up? NFL quarterback is the only position in Pro sports and really the only job in the economy where they pay a mediocre person the same as the best person in their field. An average quarterback should not be paid what Mahomes makes because, quote, he's the next up. That's what the market is. No, it isn't. They're overpaying. I've never understood that. And I understand the revenue sharing, the way the business partnership works, because that's while the NFL owns, you know, the owners own the teams. They're still in a partnership with the players. And you got to pay like there is a 50, 50 or 48, 52 or whatever, the exact percentage. There's a, there's a revenue split. It's essentially 50, 50. And you got to pay the players. So I think they look at it, we got to pay somebody. But to me, if you want to win and you're giving a quarterback who you know is probably not a top 10 quarterback 150, $200 million, I just think you're an idiot. And it's like, well, just what else am I going to do? I don't know. There's got to be, figure it out, other options, see what else is out there. Play out the contract. That's always my symbol. Play out the contract. It's like brock Purdy wants $200 million, which if his agent could called and said that, I wouldn't blame him. That's what Trevor Lawrence got. If I was the Niners would be like, here's 125. Like, well, that's not, that's not what the market is. Well, then fine, we'll play out next year. You play again next year on $1.5 million, we'll give you $125 million guaranteed. Right now. I know you want 200, but we'll give 125 or we can play next year for $1.5 million. You want to do that? Because if you do, that's like that what we'll do. I think some of these teams have lost the logic of having some of this leverage. And I think a lot of times people don't want to deal with the holdouts and stuff, which I, which I get. But it's insane. It's like if Josh Allen makes 250 million dollars, what's to a 50 million dollar guarantee? Is Josh Allen five times better than to a Tonga by loa? I'm not trying to hate on Tua. I respect the guy. He's proven he's like a solid player. But Josh is in a Different universe. Lamar's in a different universe. So it's like, well, we got to pay him, what, 80%? Well, what. Like you said, the sales guy who brings in $10 million does not make the same as the sales guy that's bringing in $400,000. That guy makes way more money. Shouldn't quarterbacks be compensated on that as well? Like this guy's way better by every single metric. But it's just, I don't know, it's just not the way it works. Welcome back. Mason Rudolph, I guess. Could you explain to me what the steelers are doing? 2 high drama wide receivers and a backup quarterback? Well, I just think the Rogers thing feels inevitable and however he's approaching this, he's not in a huge rush. So I would imagine Aaron Rodgers, starting quarterback, Rudolph's your backup, and maybe you trade up for like Shador, that. That would be my educated guess as we sit here. Thursday, March 13th in a league obsessed with numbers, metrics and analytics, how does the observations about a player quote unquote, losing a step stand up? I understand when a player time to the combine when they're 21 or so surely will lose a step when they're 33, I see from time to time and rarely where they are able to track the speed of a player using the chip. Still, there really is no continuing commentary on player speed from year to year. I'm guessing there is no time 40 during the season. So other than a subjective evaluation by a commoner based only on a player getting a year or two older, say 28 to 30, the commenting that he has lost a step is something to be taken with a grain of salt. Totally agree. I mean they're not. When he's lost a step, they're not like quantifying it with a numeric value. Like if one time the guy was a nine, now he's a seven and a half. This isn't, you know, Madden, where his, his speed rating, you know, his energy in a game has gone down by half. But I think coaches, when you're evaluating a player, you know, like Andy Reid can watch a guy and go, this guy's not as good as he was three years ago. On my own team or on a team I compete against because I have a base of knowledge of watching him. If he's on your own team for several years, let's just pick. I don't know, I'm trying to think, I'm trying to think of a good example. It'd have to be an older player. Let's use Kyle Juszczyk, let's say the 49ers think he's lost a step and use check thinks he has not lost a step. Well, Kyle, for nine years, or eight, I guess eight. I keep saying nines, eight years. Has evaluated every snap of Kyle use checks career. So he can watch him and he can base it on and he could just pull up film, see what he looked like in 20, 20 or 21. Again, that's, that's a bad. It's kind of a niche player as a fullback, but like tackles, guards. I remember when I was with the Eagles and we signed Ronnie Brown. I remember the first snap or first couple snaps of like OTAs. It looked like he was running in concrete. Like, why does this guy look so slow? And it turns out his legs were just shot. That's the other thing with football. You know, it's such a, you know, running back, at wide receiver, at corner, at linebacker, foot speed is a pretty big deal. Like you can get away with a little bit of guard or center or even defensive tackle as long as you still have a little burst. But like, if you're a running back and you lose a step, like, that's, that's a problem. Huge Ohio State fan. Do you think Ryan Day would ever make a good NFL coach? He has a good track record putting quarterbacks in the first round and is a good offensive play caller. He does have flaws, but notably tightening up in big games occasionally. But isn't the NFL always looking for offensive gurus and quarterback development coaches? Well, I got to remove my bias as a well known Ohio State hater. He doesn't call the plays though. And he hasn't called the plays. When's the last time Ryan Day called the place? It feels like it's been a couple years. Could be wrong. Obviously didn't call him this year in their national championship year, maybe. Did he call him two years ago? Do you take it away from what's his name, the who's your wide receiver coach that makes a bunch of money, that's now the offensive coordinator. Listen, people I know that know him personally, that worked with him in the NFL with the Niners and the Eagles, like him a lot. He's very well thought of. I mean, I, I just. Sometimes everyone's hanging a left, I gotta hang a right. I've never had a negative interaction with a guy. People like him, you know, clearly pretty impressive guy. That's not an easy job. Handled it pretty well. We nitpick him some of his big game losses. I do think it's hard to be a tough guy because Michigan has just out toughed him when you're just not as tough as certain opponents. So when you lean into that, like you're not going to get in the ring and go blow for blow with Mike Tyson or Evander Holyfield. You're going to have to fight them differently. And maybe he learned that and it kind of made him pivot once he hit the playoffs and then he just kind of. I mean it's one of the great playoff runs in recent memory. Blew out Tennessee, blew out Oregon, who they play, then Texas. Why don't. I don't even remember that game against Texas. I wouldn't say blew him out, but it was in control of that game. And obviously Notre Dame was up big. He's good. There's no disputing it. He's good. Congrats on the nuptials. Totally agree on the silicon rings. Rubber silicon. Same thing. My question is this. The draft by most sources is loaded at defensive line. Is there a edge rusher you like that would be the difference maker available at the end of the first to pair with Aiden Hutchinson to help the Lions biggest weakness. I gotta dive a little deeper into the draft. I'd be lying if I like have a great feel for late first, early second round players. You know, the guys I focused on is I would say the defensive tackle from Michigan, the obviously Abdul Carter from Penn State. I do think the guy from Stewart from Texas A and M that tested like a freak but only has four and a half career sacks. I would just base on his testing and just the way he looks, there's no chance he would be there. Like ideally guys like that should be in the 20s. It's like, you know, wasn't a very productive player, tested like a freak. But I also think you need to be careful of those. Like when the packers took the dude from Iowa who tested like a freak but never started and then it's like he's a bust. Yeah, I mean, I think you could go D tackle or defensive end. You just need to get someone who can penetrate with Hutchinson because if you get another high end pass rusher with that guy, holy shit. So I don't think it necessarily has to be. You said defensive line. Yeah, tackle or end. I think there's just a lot of them. I mean, I think a lot of people think like of the top 30 players, probably like 11 or 12 defensive linemen. So if you just do the math, there are going to be some wide receivers, running backs and offensive linemen. And clearly a couple quarterbacks, they're going to come off the board. So there is going to be, you know, some high end defensive linemen at the end of the first round, which can be pretty rare. And then if you do draft a defensive lineman, you just need him and you need the corner you took last year from Bama. If those guys over the next couple years can be kind of cornerstone players. With Aiden, all of a sudden your defense with Jack Campbell, Aiden Hutchinson, Terry on Arnold Branch, who's like the safety, Nickel from Bama, who's sweet, who's really good, all of a sudden your defense looks a little like your offense. Like you guys are good at every position or got impact guys in every position. Every time. This year I can't help but reminisce and marvel at the fact that Jason Peters was a tight end in college and not only became one of the best offensive tackles of all time, but was undrafted. I was curious, since you were a former scout, did you or do you know if scouts always have their eye on potential prospects like that? Not necessarily tight end or offensive tackle every time, but athletic offensive guard that could can be a fullback. I think in every draft there are guys who, you know, can do position flexibility. When I first got out of scouting and started doing radio, the 49ers drafted Bruce Miller who was a defensive lineman. I think it's South Florida or Central Florida. And they turned into fullback and he was a good fullback. You know, the Chargers have a defensive lineman that plays fullback. So like that position is somewhat possible. We'd also, and I know buddies that still do look at college basketball kind of that tight end position. Could the guy be a defensive lineman, could the guy be an offensive tackle or could the guy be a tight end? But those, I do think those situations are kind of outliers. You know, I don't know about Jason Peters college experience. He went to Arkansas, but he clearly, I mean, by the time I was around Jason peters, he weighs 340 pounds, so obviously he didn't weigh that in college. But even if he weighed 270 pounds in college, there used to be tight ends that weighed 260, 270, 280 pounds. What was the dude, if you're my age or older, you know, Tony Gonzalez in Kansas City, they had a second tight end. His last name was Done. He was basically like a third tackle because Tony wasn't that big of a blocker. So you kind of had to have your second tight end be a blocking tight end. And I think that, yeah I mean, I, I think when you look at a player, sometimes there's a wide receiver in college, and I'm sure there's a guy like this every year or two where you go, you know, he's kind of big, he's not fast enough to play outside. Couldn't he just be like a hybrid slot? Could he get big enough to play tight end? And it happens sometimes and every once in a while, what was the guy's. Terrell Prior became a wide receiver. You know what's funny is we do it in, in college all the time. Like a guy comes out of high school, he's like, I, I'm play quarterback and I play safety. Then all of a sudden by like year two, he's playing running back or he's playing wide receiver or he's playing corner. It's like you just do whatever you have to do to start for Alabama or Texas or whatever. But when you come to the pros, no one ever wants to change positions. It's like, what if you change positions, you become a 10 year pro and you make millions of dollars for the bag. I know you're not a big fan of them, but I have a hypothetical for you. If the Chiefs don't trade up to jump The Saints in 2017, do you think Mahomes has similar success in New Orleans? Peyton at head coach, Dennis Allen, a defensive coordinator, and guys like Joe Brady, Dan Campbell and Aaron Glenn on staff? I, I've, I'm not anti hypotheticals. I just think sometimes, you know, the draft one, which I'm guilty and a sucker for, is kind of a waste of energy. I do think this one is a pretty cool pivot point in the NFL because that moment, face it, led Sean Payton to quitting and now being on the Broncos because Sean Payton has Patrick Mahomes, maybe they don't have three Super Bowls, probably got one or two. I mean, it's fucking Patrick Mahomes and Sean Payton, like Andy Reid is offensive genius and that team was good. So I think it's fair to assume that he would still be there. But you have those moments sometimes where it's like, what if instead of Baker Mayfield at 1 Overall, Josh Allen had gone to the Browns because remember that draft was or had gone to the jets at number three because it was Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and then Lamar Jackson. I don't think I'm mixing drafts there, but think about that. Like where you go matters and I think the example you use, because clearly the Saints liked him, they were pretty good and it was a pretty awesome place for a quarterback to play. So my guess is it would have worked at the level of the Chiefs. I don't know. I think that's, I think that's unfair to say that will work that well. Would they have been a double digit win team every single year, been in the playoffs and had high seeds? I think that's fair to assume. Lifelong Dolphins fan. Last time we won a playoff game I was in diapers. What do you think of the Zach Wilson signing? I think it's an absolute joke. Given to his injury history. Do you think the Dolphins intentionally signed bad backups so that TUA does not feel threatened? Also, would you say the Dolphins are the softest team in the league? It seems like anytime they are met with a little bit of adversity or cold weather, the team collapses. Yeah, I don't know. I mean I, I will say this is Sean Payton liked him, but didn't like him enough to make him the backup quarterback. So I think when you look like Mac Jones was the backup quarterback last year, right? So you go, Kyle Shanahan, you signed Mac Jones, you're the backup and I'm paying you $5 million. But you look at Justin Fields like he gets benched and then the jets give him $30 million. Pretty bold in this situation. You're taking another team's third string quarterback to turn him into the backup. So Sean Payton could have chose because I knew another team that had planned on signing Jared Stidham and Sean Payton clearly didn't want to lose him because he resigned him. But if you like Zach Wilson as much, he would have been like, okay, take him. I'll just keep Zach Wilson for 5 or 6 million. Now maybe there's a dynamic of Stidham's older. Yeah, I don't know. I. Is Zach Wilson good? Based on what we know right now, you would say no. I do think it felt like he matured and people liked him a lot more in Denver than what had happened with the Jets. But like, what were your other options signed, like Daniel Jones, Gardner, Minshew. Like once you're paying your quarterback as much as you guys are your backups, probably going to be kind of random. Look who Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson's backups are. Mahomes backup was Henny and then Carson Wentz. Okay, a couple more. You said multiple times last season. Last season was the worst the Broncos and Chargers will be for the foreseeable future. I agree with you. Until free agency, I'm a die Hard Bronco fan, but just as a football fan and a fan of Herbert and Harbaugh. Are the Chargers actually better after free agency? Notable moves are retaining Mack, Jalen Rager, signing Najee Harris, Dante Jackson and reuniting with Mike Williams. Honestly, I must have missed that. I didn't even see that one. Michael Williams on the Chargers again. They lost Bosa. I mean, they cut him. They lost Gus Edwards, Josh Palmer and likely J.K. dobbins. Everyone in our division closed the gap on the Chiefs except the Chargers. We got a Funga and Greenlawn and Ingram who chose us over the chargers and retained D.J. jones. Raiders kind of sort of upgraded at quarterback now. They did, yeah. I mean, I think part of Harbaugh is the guys they drafted last year. They expect him to be better. So they go, we expect Joe Alt to be an all Pro. We expect Lad McConkey to be a top 10 wide receiver, top 15 wide receiver. We expect the linebacker we draft from Michigan to be much like that's how he looks at it. He looks at it from a college perspective. Like I'm developing these young. I expect Herbert to be better. I'm better than my competition. So I think we. You can't just assume based on free agency teams are better and worse. I mean, most of my like college years in the 2000s, Dan Snyder won free agency every single year, bought all the players, every single free agency and it never worked out. So I this is part of buying players in free agency. It's fun and it's huge headlines. We don't have anything else going on. It doesn't guarantee you crap. It really doesn't. Listen, I've said I love Hu Funga in Greenlaw. I mean, I love Dre Greenlaw. Trey Greenlaw is a bad ass. He tore his Achilles, he tried to come back and his hamstring and other injuries started happening. Like, I hope he's okay, but there is no guarantee that like his lower extremities are all going to, you know, match up. Love Hunga tore his acl, then he up his shoulder and his thumb and he missed a bunch of games last year. Part of the reason the Niners are letting him go is like they got this other kid named Mustafa who hits just like Huanga who I even saw that same browner in his podcast when he had Debo on was like, might have been the hardest I got hit all year. So again, like, I would rather have those guys on my team than not. But they've missed a lot of games and I just Think sometimes these guys, no player like the Chargers didn't want Joey Bosa anymore. It's not like they lost Joey Bosa. They cut him. They did not want him on the team anymore. They want Khalil Mack back. They don't want him. I'm not trying to like defend. I just think sometimes in free agency you can basically keep any player you really want to keep. Like the Chargers would never let Slater go. Harbaugh would not let Derwin James go. Like, yeah, I could do without this guy. So if you are a player available during free agency, there's a reason behind it. I could have kept you. Well, we didn't have the space. Well, I'll cut other guys. I'll make. I'll figure it out. There's a puzzle and I control the pieces. Okay, last question. I feel like some people are sleeping on the Packers. There is an opportunity for improvement but they're essentially bringing back the same roster and added two free agents who are huge upgrades. We know that Jordan Love played hurt all year. Their receivers in O line played well below played well below expectations and they gave the Eagles a tough game. How do you feel about the state of the Packers? I say this all the time. I said this when people start dming me. Should we fire a lafleur? Like guys, you're going to be okay. I would like my chances now more even than six months ago that a lot of question marks with J.J. mcCarthy and the Vikings. We. We can say whatever we want about Sam Darnold last year. He played really well and there is absolutely no guarantee if JJ McCarthy has Sam Darnold season Vikings fans will be doing fucking cartwheels down the hallway. So I you got. You went one in five in the division. How often are you going to be a playoff team which I would bet on the backers be a playoff team next year and go one and five in the division. So if you go three and three in the division you're probably more likely to be a 12 or 13 win team. Now is Jordan Love was last year just banged up year was last year more what he's going to be. That's what he's. We got a small sample size with him, right? We have eight games, eight good games his first year which is fair. He'd never started last year. Was injured, would have some moments then have some bad moments. A lot of unknowns still with him. I still would bet on it. Just because we've seen the good. We've seen him play high end. We've seen him play well in a playoff game, but receivers are a little bit of a question mark. What's his name got multiple concussions. Watson tore his acl. You got to feel good about Jacobs. You got to feel good about your tight end. Like you said, you needed a guard, so you overpay. Banks coach is good. Your GM's good. I, I you're going to be okay, Packer fans. And I get it. You just, you've kind of been in the same spot now for a while. You're going to be fine. It wouldn't shock like you might be able to compete to win the division next year. Right now if I was handicapping the NFC north because all the Lions guys at least going in this, it will be healthy, I'd go Lions, which again, new coordinators, no lock. But I'd give them the benefit of doubt. Lions then I think it's a coin flip between you and the vikings because like J.J. mcCarthy, I don't know, I'd probably give you the benefit of the doubt right now until JJ proves me otherwise. And the Bears are going to be improved. So that division's good. It really is. But the likelihood of Europe going 1 and 5 in that thing again, I would be low the volume. Foreign this is Nikki Glazer from the Nikki Glaser Podcast. On a more serious note, I'm still thinking about that commercial with Tom Brady and Snoop Dogg hating on each other. Because when you listen to the reasons for hating someone or something, you realize just how stupid they really are. There is too much hate in this country and it's gotta stop. So join us at iHeart in standing up to it. If you see hate, speak up, call it out and you can learn more by following at what's up with Hate?
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Greg Rosenthal
What's up, everyone? It's Greg Rosenthal, and I'm teaming up with the King of Spring, Daniel Jeremiah. He requires me to say that we're going to be bringing you 40s and free agents, the only podcast you'll need this NFL draft season. From DJs mock drafts to my top 101 free agents will have it covered for you, with all new episodes every Thursday, keeping you up to date as we head to the NFL Draft. Listen to 40s and free agents starting on March 6th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jeremy Hobson
We live in a divided country, and our media couldn't be more polarizing. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. It's about bringing voices, not from the extremes but from the vast middle into the national conversation. Each week we hear from ordinary Americans from all over the country. And when you subscribe to the middle, you also subscribe get an episode each week called One Thing Trump did that focuses on just one item from the avalanche of news. Listen to the Middle with Jeremy Hobson on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.