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3 & Out - Jimmy Haslam on Shedeur Sanders, Deebo VS. Terry, Happy Gilmore 2 REVIEW
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Dr. Lea Tritate
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Dani Shapiro
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John Middlecoff
What is going on everybody? How are we doing? John Middlecoft 3Now podcast hopefully everyone's having a great day. Before we dive into anything sports wise, I do just want to mention the tragedy that happened that the guy had set out for the NFL League offices who thought he had cte, kills himself, but kills four people in New York City. One of them an officer who had two children. We work with Folds of Honor. My dad's brother, I've said this before, died in Vietnam. I've seen it firsthand and I wasn't even alive then. The power it has on people's family, whether it's wife, children, brothers, parents, first responders of people that are killed in the line of duty overseas. In military services. We work. I personally am a donator to Folds of Honor who part of the podcast now, just yesterday was one of those situations that makes your heart hurt. You read about the lady who worked in the financial firm in the building where the New York City. The NFL offices are in New York City. She was going to meet a colleague. Multiple young children dies. Just unfathomable. So obviously, again, Folds of Honor, you can donate to people, military veterans and first responders who lost their life or have debilitating injuries to help their family, specifically their children. But we'll talk some football today. From Debo Samuel to the Browns. Their owner talked to Deion Sanders. Defeating cancer. I also, instead of just doing a golf podcast by itself, because once football starts, I probably is going to do a golf podcast and put it on the back end of the football podcast. So I wanted to give a little brief some thoughts on Happy Gilmore 2. I saw it shattered records like 50 million people watched in the first three days, most ever for Netflix. Not shocking. Get ready for Happy Gilmore 3. And then just some other stuffs on golf as well as a golf mailbag. Olopod is the Instagram account. We try to separate the football and golf Instagram account. So at golopod, get your question answered here on on the podcast. But other than that, if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the podcast. We're everywhere you listen to podcasts. Same thing with the YouTube channel. All of our content is up there. We reacted yesterday to Schefter talking about Wilkins kissing the dude on the forehead and him not liking it and them cutting him. So that situation. But before we dive in any football, you know, I gotta tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. Best ticketing app in the business. Been using for a long, long time. If you want to go to an event, any event, do you want to go to a concert, do you want to go to a comedy show, do you want to go to a game, you know what's right around the corner? Football. College football is in about a month. NFL football is about a month and a week. Now, I know we got preseason games. I think we got a game here in a couple nights. 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And it gets back to what we had talked about during the draft when it came to Shador Sanders and he claimed that he had nothing to do with it, that it was his GM and head coach, but specifically his GM who is in charge of running the draft. Jimmy Haslam said he was driving home on Friday night, never crossed his mind, that's after the third round, that they were going to draft Shador Sanders the next day. Even when he showed up and they met before the draft started, didn't think it was going to happen. And then a couple rounds later, Shador Sanders on their team. Here's why I have a hard time believing this, because let's just put the Browns moves in sequence, right? Obviously they signed Flacco in the off season when they know that deshaun Watson is gone and his career is over. And Jimmy Haslam calls desean Watson a swing and a miss. The one thing I appreciate about any human being, and I don't know any who have ever been given a $230 million contract, every penny guaranteed, good or bad, which Desean got even. Once your owner says that you were a swing and miss, you get married after that comment, you invite that guy that gave you $230 million to your wedding. There was a picture of Jimmy Haslam at the wedding. So Listen, I commend DeShawn for that because that's what any normal human would do. You could say whatever you want about me. If you gave me $230 million, you will be at my wedding. You might be front and center, I might make you my best man. But here's what doesn't make any sense. They sign Joe Flacco, they trade for Kenny Pickett, then in the first round they make a trade which gives them an extra first round pick the following year for a team that I'm sure their GM Ivy League guy run some models, has the Jags probably missing the playoffs and has the Jags potentially giving them a pick that's pretty valuable. I would also guess if they ran their own models on their own team, not going to go well either. And probably a top 10 pick. So they are going to have two really good picks in what looks like to be a good quarterback draft, which most good front offices have somewhat of a feel for. The strengths and weaknesses of the following year's draft before that draft starts. Because part of being a gm, unlike a coach, you don't live week to week, you live year to year. And a good one views it through like a three, four, five year lens. So when you draft a quarterback in the third round, when you already have Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett on the roster, it makes absolutely no sense to draft another quarterback in that second or third day. Not just because of the logistics of getting guys on the field. This is not defensive line or wide receiver or linebacker where you can have multiple guys and rotate during the same plays. Only one quarterback can play. But clearly based on their board, they had Dylan Gabriel above Shador Sanders. They like Dylan because they had the opportunity to draft either one of them in the third round. They chose Dylan Gabriel. So if you pick the one that you liked more, which listen, this is a subjective profession. I'm not saying they're right or wrong with that. I viewed Shador Sanders as a better NFL prospect than Dylan Gabriel. They did not. And I bet if you went around the league, people be all over the map. But that doesn't matter. They showed us who they liked more. They literally drafted the guy. So now you have a 40 year old Flacco who doesn't need practice or reps but you know can start games for you. You have Kenny Pickett, who I'm sure Kevin Stefanski like coming out of the draft they got for nothing and they go, listen, we actually think this guy has some characteristics in our offense, especially for a decent running team. There might be something there and then Dylan Gabriel, a guy we liked in the draft, that if you take a guy in the third round, you probably think, hey, ideally back up. But who knows, Maybe he's got some upside to be a starter. You wouldn't take another guy in the fifth round. This isn't linebacker. This isn't safety. This is an offense. You don't do that. So it makes no sense from a roster building standpoint. And while I do believe that the Browns get away with doing some, like, low character stuff more than other teams because like, oh, two Ivy League guys. Two guys, Ivy Leaguers, high level guys. And listen, I think they're smart guys, but they pick players. Sometimes it's not that much different, like Al Davis in the 80s. But we don't really tell. We it's all Jimmy Haslam gets all the blame, not the gm. I was talking to a buddy of mine for another team that, like, we got a front office group chat and we're always saying, like, these guys take no criticism for taking major character risks. I did see TMZ tweet out her phone call for Junkins. Listen, I'm not one to point fingers. Who knows? Only those two know. But last year they took hall, the defensive lineman who didn't even make it through training camp without an issue with a gun pointed at his fiance, which again, that. That happened because he pled like he went on probation. Like he got in trouble for it. They suspended him for it. This one. We'll see how this situation plays out. And again, Junkins was not a characterist. When you ask people around the league, but regardless, like, they have issues that it feels like other teams simply don't. And the owner takes a lot of shit. And it felt like today, like, guys, I have nothing to do with this. They pick the players. I don't tell them to pick the players. This quarterback, one, I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. He can say whatever he wants. And listen, you watch him talk. He's smooth at saying it. I just don't believe him because I can't imagine a GM given their situation, given. Even from a money ball standpoint, it doesn't work like that at quarterback. The one time we've seen it, I remember how big of a deal it was when they took RG3 second and they took cousins in the fourth round. And as information came out. Why did that happen? Because the Shanahan family did not want RG3. They wanted to take Kirk Cousins. I think Kyle would have taken him a 10. Remember, they traded up to two. But he wanted to take him in the second round. He said, let's take another player and take this guy in the second round. The owner wouldn't let him. This owner has proven to get involved. He got involved with desean Watson and I think it's pretty clear that he got involved here. Now the one thing he said, which I don't blame him for getting involved, if that's the case with this one, coaches will live week to week, they will try to win every single game. Nothing is more famous than the Flores, Stephen Ross situation. He's like, he's like, brian, we're trying to get Joe Burrow, you know, the guy that will change our franchise. We already suck. I will pay you 100 grand a loss. Let's keep losing games. And what Brian Flores do, won a game against Cincinnati Bengals in overtime. Won three of his last five games. They ended up with tua. The Bengals ended up with Joe Burrow. Hell, they could have taken Herbert. They didn't even draft the right guy. But it simply was not the right move. The Browns are going to suck. They're not going to be any good. We all understand that now. Are they going to be like a one win team? Obviously they got good players on their team. They got some young, talented players on their team, but their quarterback situation is a disaster. And Jimmy Haslam was asked about, does Kevin understand that, like we got to see the young guys play before we have to make a decision next year. He said, yeah, Kevin understands that. So which he should like. No one wants to see Joe flacco on a 3 and 17 right, play Dylan Gabriel, play Shador Sanders. Here's what's pretty clear. And Kenny Pickett pulled his hamstring, which not an ideal injury for a quarterback. Right? Like if you pull your hamstring, that means you're running around. It's like, Kenny, you're not Lamar Jackson. So it's like that's an injury that I got red flagged a little bit, you know. But at the end of the day, Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco better really enjoy the game. Reps they get in September because I would say starting early October when it's pretty clear this team probably does not have high hopes, especially when you factor in that division they plan I would start rotating these guys. I'd say Gabriel gets a game and if you do well, you keep playing. If you don't, Shador comes in, he gets again. If he keeps playing, he'll play next game. If he doesn't, we'll just go back and forth, almost treat him like starting pitchers. But I would say everything is on the table with these two players. And I think having those two first round picks, especially if Jacksonville underachieves this year as historically they typically do, I would expect the Browns to take a quarterback really high in 2026. Debo Samuel had a comment today which I thought was pretty interesting and I don't even necessarily disagree. He said, I still have something left in the tank, which is crazy. He's not 38 years old. I think he's like 27, 28. You know, he's not as old as. Maybe he's 29 because he was a senior coming out of college. But this isn't like Larry Fitzgerald here, you know, this is a guy who, yeah, I hope he still has something in the tank. But I started thinking Adam Peters approaches off season, which I, which I commend him for taking this approach. I'm not going to pay Christian Wilkins type guys 130 cents on the dollar and regret these contracts in a couple years just because I got Jaden Daniels contract and I got room to deal with. I'm going to use some draft capital for guys that I actually think I can get that make a lot of money that we can fit inside our cap. But get for fourth round picks, get for a fifth round pick, get for a third round pick. My starting left tackle, my starting wide receiver. I'm like, okay, I like what you're doing there. Laramie Tuns will deal. I would make that move 100 times out of 100 if I'm Adam Peters. The Debo thing, which I get, he was around some of Debo's best moments. I'm sure he was a huge part of scouting him coming out of college and, and knows him really well. I'm pro Debo Samuel. Like I even understand the move. Here's the problem. When you make a move like that, it set out a signal to your star wide receiver. One it's like, am I even your guy? Right? Because you're not paying me. And in a weird way, it's not Deebo's fault. But Deebo's also in a contract year. So Debo's coming in there, knows that the GM, like he's one of the GM's guys. And if you're Terry McLaren, you start thinking, am I not one of their guys? They don't want to pay me now, obviously the money, like I'm not going to pay you $40 million a year. But I do have to wonder if Looking back at the Debo Samuel trade, if that sparks some. I don't even want to say animosity, but McLaurin's brain to go. And then obviously the contracts get weird with DK Metcalf and he starts thinking like, I need way more money. And now they're in a situation where, listen, I do think Debo, if I was a betting man, I think he's going to have some moments this year. But this Debo thing, if he doesn't have moments and it's created this weird spot for Terry even he'll eventually play because he's not going to give up, you know, whatever his salary is this year, like 16 million cash. What if you don't get the carry? They gave you 13 touchdowns and the guy who was all in team captain. You get a guy because we're all human beings who has resentment, who's mad at the situation, who thinks he's getting screwed. Even sometimes when you're not getting screwed, when you're in your own head and I can only imagine athletic situation in music, you get some of these managers and everyone that has their hand in your cookie jar starts feeding into that. Most of us, especially when you're younger, our parents are the opposite. It's like, pull your head out of your ass. This is not a way to operate. 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I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that and that only hurt the Democrats.
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Katie Couric
I'm Katie Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back and our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.
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Jemele Hill
It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally like I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close.
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Katie Couric
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Dr. Lea Tritate
Sometimes it's hard to remember, but going.
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John Middlecoff
Through something like that is a traumatic experience, but it's also not the end of your life.
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John Middlecoff
Dion, who gave the press conference yesterday and I think a lot of us, and maybe I just kind of believed like some social media headlines, but it's not, I would say it's a little abnormal to have a press conference with your medical team. I he had already been kind of an undisclosed sickness. I kind of thought there was like above a 50% chance he was going to retire or just quit and just say he was sick, he couldn't do it. If anything, he did the opposite. He said he got bladder cancer, he removed the bladder, he defeated the cancer and he's back and he's coaching. And I've often thought one I can't even imagine as someone whose dad has been dead for a while now, the. The one thing, whether you agreed or disagreed or thought the hype or whatever, like, I have a soft spot for just a dad coaching his son. And I can't even imagine in Division 1 football, if you're Deion Sanders, one of the most famous, best football players of all time, you get to coach both your sons, right? Who you know, Shador drafted and obviously Shiloh's at an NFL camp right now. Had to be some of the coolest weeks, days, years of his life. Coaching his two kids for two years at Colorado, playing on ESPN in front of five, eight. I mean, they were doing huge television ratings. It was awesome. From just a human aspect of being able to coach your children. But I also wondered, like, once his kids leave, especially his Shador, who's his quarterback, was he doing this because he's a football guy? He loves football, but he also gets to be around his kids if you follow them on social media. And Travis was essentially like his kid, too. They were always in his office. They were always hanging out. Well, then all those guys are gone now, right? Travis, Shador, Shiloh, all gone. Now he's coaching your kids. My kids, not my kids. Because my kid won't be Division 1 athlete, more than likely. Who knows? Don't underestimate him. Maybe he's tough, maybe he's got a little Rudy in him, but just he's coaching other people's kids that he didn't just grow up around. These aren't like his people he'd known for a long, long time. Would the fire still be there? Does he still want to coach? If you get cancer and you have that cancer removed and your children are gone in the NFL, and not only do you want to keep coaching, like, you're driven to get healthy, to coach this upcoming season. I mean, Deion's in it to win it. I mean, if there was ever a question like, does he really want to do this? Do you really think he's driven to, like, get to an SEC school or an ACC school or whatever? Like, yeah, I think he is 100% not going away. And I also wonder if last year he added Warren Sapphire, D line coach. This year, Marshall Faulks is running back coach. Now some of his boys are on the staff. Maybe those guys, in a different way, kind of fill the void of, like, his. His, you know, second family type. But I'm happy Deion, you know, he's. We need characters, and that's what football has. Obviously, the players in all These sports are the stars. But football, more than any of these other sports, they're coaches. College and pros are as big of television characters in this reality show that is the world of pro and college football, as important as basically any player beside a couple quarterbacks. And Deion is very, very valuable to college football, so I'm glad he's okay. As someone who's lost many of family members to different types of cancer, I can't imagine it was extremely scary. You know, Dion's, he's had the foot issue with the turf toe dating back to college or the pros where he had to get toes chopped off. I think multiple toes. Now he had this cancer. Say this for, you know, Dion might not like to tackle, but he's a tough sob. So I'm happy that Dion's doing okay. And last but not least, I saw, I was at my desk earlier today and I saw that Pat McAfee had on Nick Casario, the general manager of the Houston Texans. And he was messing with him a little bit, saying like, have you seen these clips of Anthony Richardson? He's trying to, you know, Pat's a Colts guy and I guess Anthony Richardson had some highlight passes in training camp. Like that's kind of the defining attribute of his career, like a highlight pass, like, are you a good player? But he's. His point was like, are you keeping track of, of everything that's not only going on in your division but around the NFL? And it was just, it was just a real question to Kasario, like, are you watching all this stuff? And Casario essentially said, yeah. And I think what people don't understand is one of the big jobs of the front office, starting with the gm, with your pro director or your director of player personnel, and then your in house scouts, you divvy up the NFL. So if I'm the Houston Texans, obviously your opponents, you have a pro scout that usually advances your opponent. So if I'm, let's. I'm going to use the Niners for an example because this is, it's easy for me. I follow them the closest. If I'm John Schneider in the Seattle Seahawks and we play the 49ers, week one, the guy that is going to do the advance report for my coaching staff on the 49ers, one of his teams, let's say he has eight teams during training camp, we've split up the teams throughout the league, three or four scouts, eight to 10 teams per scout, maybe, maybe less. Six, seven, six. They follow the team the way I would approach it in 2025. I would make a Twitter account just for work and I would follow all the beat writers of all my teams because I think that's probably the modern day newspaper. And I would also follow on YouTube and on Instagram all the teams. So anytime they had interviews, all the press conferences, and you basically just consume all this stuff before the preseason game starts to keep notes on everything that's going on at camp. For the Niners, for example, the veteran guys that you know are going to make the team, you're just keeping tabs. Juwan Jennings pulled his calf, boom. We're monitoring his situation, how long he misses today. Ricky Piersoll misses practice, Boom. Mikel Williams, the 11th overall pick, missed practice today, ankle taking notes. You know, all those guys are going to make the team, right? And most players, maybe some rookies, but veteran guys don't play as much in the preseason. What you're really monitoring is from basically the fourth round through undrafted free agents, you are keeping tabs before the game start of what people are saying about them. What the coaching staff, the head coach and the coordinators, the way they talk about them in press conferences, listen, you know, you got to take it for what it is. But the beat writers that are at practice either posting videos or tweeting about this guy looks really good, this guy looks really bad. And just taking notes on, hey, this guy's been making some plays at practice. You know, we got to keep tabs on this guy. And then when the preseason games start, you spend all your time evaluating their entire draft beside the first couple rounds, because those guys aren't going to potentially get cut. And then the practice squad guys from the previous year, because all these guys, right, you have a 90 man roster, only 53 can make the team. And like I said, you already have a ton of veteran guys on the team that are basically locks. So there are, I'm just going to pick a number 20 guys for 11 spots. You know, eight are going to be available. And what if some of those eight are guys that actually have some talent? Maybe you like coming out in the draft that made some plays during preseason. They were just hoping to put on the practice squad at a position that maybe your team needs. You're like, hey, this guy could be our fifth wide receiver. So basically every team in the league as of late July is really monitoring, I would say. It used to be when I was in the league, like the newspapers, we would have these things called clips and they would just cut for every team. The Redskins, the Eagles, the Cowboys, all the articles every single day on a clip. So it could be multiple pages. And then you would just look through it. You use pro football talk, you use rotoworld, and you just accumulate all this information. It's kind of like a running diary on each team leading up to the preseason games. Then you evaluate the players and now it's way easier. You just like watch 87, watch 22. And you can just watch all their cut ups. And then when a guy gets cut, you have grades on them. And after a couple preseason games, you start funneling that information to your GM. So your GM has a list of maybe the top 50 guys. Your scouting department goes, hey, this guy might get cut. I think he's pretty good. We should. Here are 27 plays he's had in the preseason. You should watch him. And then if it's pretty interesting, you have your coaching staff watch him. So you know, like, hey, should we cut our last offensive lineman to claim this guy who can play guard and center? And you could, you could play that game at any position. Quarterbacks a little different, but definitely O line, D line. I mean, let's face it, not a lot of good O line and D linemen are getting cut. But if you see a guy with physical traits that you think your offensive line coach can work with, maybe your offensive line coach, like that guy in the draft and he was a 5th round pick and you guys would have taken him in the sixth round, and then he gets cut in training camp, maybe you think about claiming him. And even if you don't claim them, maybe you try to bring him on your practice squad. Because once a guy's practice squad like clears waivers, any practice squad can take him. So this is a time right now of just research and information accumulation. So that is all these front offices are doing. Most college scouts within the next week will be kind of sent out to, you know, to their kind of their areas. And we'll start going to training camps for Texas and USC and Oregon and Alabama and kind of focus on that. But your in house crew, three or four guys with your GM really focus on the league. And then you really kind of cut down that information with individual players, maybe your coordinators and your head coach, but your coaching staff is not even. They don't mess with that really at all. Maybe a head coach does a head, like especially a veteran head coach, like an Andy Reid when Belichick was in the league, a Pete Carroll, like they're juggling it all. But like the younger coordinators like Kevin o' Connell and Kyle Shanahan, they are much more focused on the team, the scheme, and obviously they talk to their GM of like giving him, hey, I don't like our running back depth. We got to really. And then that information gets kind of given back out. Hey, we got to really focus on running back and corners. But you really utilize, you know, the beat reporters that are at these practices. And there are, you know, some consistent guys that have been beat reporters and covered teams for decades that you just feel pretty good about, like getting information. Especially sometimes it's like, hey, they're kind of down on so and so. And it might be like a fifth year veteran guard. You're like, hey, I actually think that guy. I know they got some younger guys on their team, but he might start for our team. So you kind of have to have a feel. Like the way Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger and those guys look at the stock market is the way GMs and front offices look at rosters. It's all about who's trending up, who's trending down financially, who's overpaid, which might cause them to get cut. Who is a guy that's so cheap, even if he's trending down, they're going to keep on the roster because economically it makes sense. Would this guy. Maybe they're over this veteran player. Like with the Dolphins, you know, obviously they're star level names. Like, the Dolphins might trade Tyree Kill. I'm not saying they would, but I'm just saying they might. But guys like that, which my mom probably knows about, they're a lot more under the radar type. Like, hey, this guy was a fifth rounder two years ago. He's been on the practice squad. We really liked him. He's not going to make our team. Listen, I know you guys like them. Would you trade a seventh round pick for him? Or, hell, would you trade? I see you got five running backs that you think all could make the team. We need a running back. We don't need this linebacker who you like. Could we flop the two guys? You trade me the running back for the linebacker. Like that starts happening especially, you know, probably a week into the preseason, because once these pads come on, it starts separating. It's like, God, I thought we were a little better at D line. I don't love our group, right. I thought our corners were a little bit better. We got a couple injuries. We suck. We need, we need to add somebody so your mind really starts working like that. As over the next week in pads and Then, especially as you get into a joint practice, into a preseason game that really starts to, I would say, crystallize a roster slash depth chart, which the coach is just so enamored with with the gm, but the GM is also trying to balance like the rest of the league to like, keep tabs on everything. So there's just a lot of moving parts. It's why it's so impossible that we'll never see any more of the GM head coach. Like those days. It's not even. It's not even possible. There's not enough time in the day, especially with expanded rosters. 90 man, there's so many people out there, just a lot going on. It's just a really, really busy time. But right those first couple weeks before the preseason games start are like, you can just. It's pretty easy to kind of keep track of everything once the preseason games start, start going on. You're trying to evaluate players, you're keeping information. You got injuries happening. You just. You got your own team, you're trying to help evaluate. Because typically, you know, you kind of break up the evaluation of your roster from a front office standpoint. You know, scouts get different positions, maybe multiple positions. You meet with the coaches and you're kind of a part of those personnel meetings in that, in the long, you know, the long kind of table, the meeting tables that most, for not most NFL teams have kind of those big corporate rooms where you could fit like 30 people in and have those meetings that we've seen on Hard Knocks Forever, which we see less and less, but it's a great time of year. I mean, I can't even imagine looking back, it's impossible to keep up with the entire league at a high level. So it's why you have to break it down in smaller, either quadrants or five, six, seven teams per team. And the GM tries to get like a. A big macro version and then gets individual information kind of like shot up to him through his people. It's why we talk a lot about hiring the right people. It's no different, you know, with the coaching staff. You got to depend on your. Your coordinators, your position coaches. No different as a gm, you got to. You got to feel really good about your pro scouts, your college scouts, because they're feeding you all this information and they get to kind of decipher what's important and what's not important, what we need. And also the way you think, the way we look at players, what we value in players on and off the field. I saw Sean Payton today talked about signing Sutton and to a big deal and he said when did you know? He said early on when I first got the job. And the first things he said were not size or speed or high pointing ball. It was work ethic, leadership. Things that these coaches value given how much money's on the line right now is the intangible stuff. It's why you know trying to keep a tabs on. It's why your college scouts are so important because if this dude was drafted in the seventh round two years ago and you really like them and he's going to be available, well what was the character write up we had on this guy because oh, I remember why he fell in the seventh round. Questionable character. Yeah, he can play but do we want that guy in our locker room? Do we want them trying to make out people's foreheads like in Vegas? No, we don't. So fun time of year for the NFL front offices.
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Jemele Hill
I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats.
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Katie Couric
I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back and our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.
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Jemele Hill
It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally. Like, I carry that weight with me.
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Katie Couric
Because you've seen it up close.
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Jemele Hill
Yeah.
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Katie Couric
Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Dr. Lea Tritate
Sometimes it's hard to remember, but going.
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John Middlecoff
Through something like that is a traumatic experience. But it's also not the end of your life.
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Dr. Lea Tritate
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Dani Shapiro
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John Middlecoff
Okay, let's transition to a little a little golf talk. We usually do a golo pod by itself, but with football season, I'm just going to combine them. So I will do the second half of some of these podcasts if I'm going to do anything golf related. And we'll just put on the back end of any football talk On a given week. Obviously happy Gilmore 2 is shattering records on Netflix. I just saw did almost 50 million streams through the first three days it was up on Netflix. I watched it. I will give some thoughts. So you might have to skip ahead if you don't want any spoiler alerts. Not that I mean this win, this movie's not winning an Oscar. So I, I don't know if you're going to miss much. I'll give some thoughts on the upcoming Wyndham, who I'm betting on. Obviously. Kirk Kitiyama just won a couple days ago. We this is the last event of the quote unquote regular season before they head to the playoffs. It goes from 70 to 50 to 30. Now the tour Championship, which is the ultimate PGA Tour just giving away money. Joaquin Neiman wins again on Live. Something that happened with Bubba Watson that I actually thought was pretty cool. And we will answer your questions at Golopod. At Golopod is the Instagram. We try to separate that from the football questions and just life questions. So if you got any golf related question, whether it's on professional golf, whether it's on your own game, whether it's just things you're thinking, at Golopod is the easiest way to get involved because we try to separate the two Instagram. So fire in those DMs. But I do want to start with The Happy Gilmore 2 reviews. Now. I watched this movie on Sunday night, which only probably a month ago we'd be watching Sunday Night Football. I'm sitting there at the dinner table. I think we had an early dinner. It was probably like 5, 5:30. And I'm sitting there with my pregnant wife and she made a comment that almost made me fall out of my chair because I was telling her, hey, we got to watch Happy Gilmore. I'm going to talk about on the podcast. I knew that Happy Gilmore. It's not, it's not that she wouldn't enjoy it, but it's not really her type movie. Like if she had a choice, I don't think she would hit play. And she knew we were gonna attack this movie after dinner. And I did the dishes, no big deal. And she looks at me and she says, do I need to see the first Happy Gilmore to understand what's going on in this one? And my jaw hit the floor. And then I realized she was born in 1991. This movie came out in 1996. I'm sure there are movies in the 80s or even early 90s that maybe I missed. And it kind of Listen, I. It was funny and I think once she, once I turned it on, she realized she had seen it once. I kind of described, I think not that you necessarily have to see the first one to watch the second one. It clearly helps. There are some clear themes that make it easier to watch. I would imagine 99.999% of people listening to this have seen the first one. But this movie, like typically sequels, I think of some of the ones that were big when I was a kid, Terminator, even though that was when I was really, really young, but I watched that when I was a kid. Die Hards, they usually happen relatively quickly after one becomes a hit. And there was 30 years of separation between these two movies. So anyone that's watched Adam Sandler operate just through Netflix over the last decade, if you've just been really bored and clicked on one of his movies. My standard for this movie was not very high. I didn't go in with the expectations. It's going to be like, you know, some Oscar winning all time flick. I just wanted to be entertained, laugh a little and hang out with the Sandman and see a bunch of these cameos and some of his homies that are in all of his movies. And that's exactly what I got as the movie went on. Clearly it was pretty stupid and pretty dumb, but I see some of these people tweeting or post on social media is the dumbest movie of all time. I mean you have not watched enough movies if you think that. I actually think like there were some bright spots of if you follow the PGA Tour, Will Zala Torres, who is currently injured because his back is like Tony Romo and doesn't work. So he's just out right now. But before he got injured he was could have easily won the Masters. I mean he's been a major factor in majors. He's a really good player and he is often made fun of for looking like an older version or honestly the player version of Happy Gilmore's caddy in the original and him playing a role in this movie. I thought he was good and he was pretty funny. Like that was honestly a standout moment of like using Will Zalatoris. They deserve credit for doing that. Clearly whenever they shot this, Scotty had already been arrested and he made the joke about it in the movie and I thought Scotty was pretty good. And then there are guys like Rory and Brooks and even Bryson just aren't. I mean it's just you could tell they don't act for a living. I do think one Misstep. And again, my standard for this script, whatever the storyline was going to be, is extremely low. So my expectations on this being something that was gonna blow people away, I was not there. But Shooter McGavin is one of the great characters of my life. He's one of the more legendary characters of my life. Especially if you put him in the category of being like a villain, right? And they open up in this movie, he's in the insane asylum and it's like, this has a chance to be really, really good. Utilize Shooter. Is he gonna break out? Is he gonna go up against Happy? However this is gonna play out. And I think one beef a lot of people have had with this movie is the villain was just a terrible character. I mean, it really was. When you already have a built in villain with Shooter and however you wanted to build this, you know, a lot of people think that the Maxi League or whatever was representing Liv. It's really a little more like the TGL combination of whatever. They could have used Shooter in that role to go against Happy Gilmore. Like that. That was built in. And maybe they tried to humanize him, I don't know. But I thought that was a misstep. You could have used Shooter against Happy and it would have been really funny and really good. They didn't. They chose to use that weird guy with the weird goatee who I would say universally, everyone's down upon and rightfully so. Terrible character and awful. But the cameos make this movie. You know, Adam has a couple throwback moments. I do think once you get to his position, he got so famous and so big 25, 30 years ago that a lot of people think that the movies he does now are really stupid and he doesn't care. And I'd say, yeah, I mean, he doesn't have to care. He was never Leonardo DiCaprio. This guy is not Tom Hanks. This guy is what you call. And I think it's a great representation. Sometimes the society, sometimes you have to overthink it. People just want to laugh. And Adam Sandler, when he's involved and just gives half effort, can be kind of funny. And I just think for a guy that's close to 60, I'm glad they did this, but I see a lot of people being really down upon this movie. It's just, what were you. What were you expecting to get? You know, I mean, I think there was such a organic nature to the first one. One, obviously the storyline of him wanting to be a hockey player and hating golf and looking down upon country Clubs and the golfing culture. And in this one, he supports it because he's boys with all these people. Now he's wearing the gold jacket with like Jack and Lee Trevino and Freddy Couples and obviously Travis Kelsey's in this. And actually Xander was kind of funny in a dumb way, but I thought it was just an easy couple hours with a bunch of famous people that got really stupid at the end. But overall, I'd probably give it like a B, B plus. And I think the power of this brand and the power of the build up and probably the power of the cameos, you know, leads to a historic moment for Netflix. The big winner in this one was Netflix. And listen, I'm not. I wouldn't call myself a movie buff, but I'm dialed in enough and listen to enough podcasts and read enough articles that everyone says, like, the originality of movies is done. No one wants to do that in. Studios are not funding that. They're all funding things with a quote unquote ip things that have been done before in these type situations. When Happy Gilmore, which is, you know, I think in terms of box office and stuff, it's not it. I don't know where it ranks in the 90s, but it's clearly one of the biggest movies of my youth. It's carryover. If this had not been, you know, an Adam Sandler had just created a golf movie from scratch even with all these cameos and Happy Gilmore had never existed. There's no way it does what it did. And I think the power of Adam Sandler and the power of this movie is the different. You get a guy that's 65 that's watching, you get a guy that's 40 that's watching it, you can get a guy that's 15 to watch it. And that's the sad part about the originality and the organic nature of like when I was a kid, Adam Sandler and Jim Carrey and Chris Farley and these guys that all came from Saturday Night Live, you know, got people behind them and got to fund them and they became stars because these movies that would never get made now got made. Then the equivalent of happy Gilmore in 2025 is never getting made. It's that Adam Sandler is so famous and Netflix finances them and all these guys, I don't know how much he paid all these guys for cameos, but if you think that Bryson and Brooks and Scotty would just do a movie with a random guy, it's just never happening. And hell, they kind of did that in the mid-90s with some of the people that participated in that movie. The other thing that I loved about this movie is there's something special about the voice of Vern Lundqvist. I was telling Maria, who I've really got into college football is like, I don't think you realize that chubby guy talking played a huge role in Happy Gilmore 1 1. He was a major part of the Masters for a long, long time. And his voice was synonymous with college football. And you hear Vern talk, you're like, I miss that. I really do. I miss that. And, yeah, I mean, whether they took the live angle or the tg, I don't really know. I just think he probably kind of saw that and utilized tried to be funny with it. Reggie Bush is on the bad team. Bad Bunny, I didn't even realize was his caddy. But ultimately, like, I enjoyed myself for two hours. I enjoyed myself for two hours, even in the parts where I thought it was kind of dumb. I'm glad I watched the movie. And I can't say that about most movies. So props to Adam, props to the Sandman, props to Netflix for just getting this thing done and giving us something to watch on a Sunday night before football starts. Okay, let's talk some real golf now. And let's talk to you about this upcoming Wyndham championship brought to you by transfusion. Five hour energy shots. A hole in one in every flavor sensation. Buy now on 5hourenergy.com. Here's the thing. Golf season's long, right? Unlike the NFL, which is four or five months, baseball is really long. But it's a set time, obviously. Basketball, set time. Golf goes forever. It doesn't feel like they have an offseason because unless you are a superstar player, I mean, even Max Homo was saying last week, I just want to win so I can go home to my pregnant wife. But if I don't win, I have to keep playing because I'm going to try to make the playoffs. And up until a couple years ago, you had a lot more margin for error if you were a solid player. Because the field going into the playoffs was way bigger than it is now. And there is a big difference between 120 and 70. That's 50 guys, which I go back and forth with. Overall, some of the signature events that have smaller fields in the no cut, I don't love. But I do understand that, like, as the game fractured, they try to get the money to their top guys. And typically the top guys, you know, it's easier for them to make the money if it's a smaller field and the better guys are typically going to do well. So they have transitioned hard to this model. We'll see. I saw the new commissioner CEO, it's his first day on the job was a couple days ago. Does he change this moving forward? I would doubt it. But this is the last real event before the playoffs start next week with 70 guys. And they go 70, 50, 30. And there is clearly a ton of money on the line I think now to win the FedEx. I mean it wasn't that long ago when you won like $10 million and that was insane. Then they went to 15, then they went to 25 and all of a sudden Scotty Scheffler has a 65 million dollar year, right? And I think there are a lot of guys. I read today that last year five people changed from this last event going to the 70. So there was a swing of guys that were above the line. They were into the playoffs, that lost their spot for five new guys. And obviously there are a lot of weighted points if you win, I mean you're near the line you're going to be in. And some of these guys are trying to compete for Ryder cup spots. Because if you know you were to get knocked out and not make the final 30 in your spots in question, like I would say Keegan told you, no matter where you are in the list, if you're not an automatic qualifier, you're in major trouble. I mean I looked up one time yesterday or over the weekend and got her up, was in the mix to win. I'm like, has any guy had a better late season run then this guy? If he wins again, he's going to win two out of his last three tournaments and go second in the other one, which was a major. And then you think back to Lucas Glover a couple years ago, won like back to back times in this part of the year and still got left off the Ryder Cup. So you never know. But I do think there's some value in gambling on guys. I sprinkled with some parlays last week. One guy that's playing just really well right now is Jake Knapp. I would say Rickie Fowler is as well. Now Jake Knapp is in. I think he's like 52nd going into this tournament. I think you can find value on him in this tournament. Top 10 and top 20. Same thing with Rickie Fowler. Homa is another guy who has just shown some life. He played at the Barracuda when the Open was going on first Round he was terrible. Second round he bounced back. Last week, he actually was pretty solid. He's definitely a guy for me to keep an eye on. Joel Damon might have had the craziest finish of the year. He was 200 yards out on 18, he was 15 under par, meaning if he birdies 200 out par, five birdies, finished 16th, finishes in like the top 15 and would have made like 150k because a bunch of guys tied, but he would have made a lot of money. Not only does he not birdie, he triple bogeys because he hits multiple balls in the water and he goes from 15 under all the way to 12. And I think he made like $35,000. It was literally a hundred thousand dollar hole. I mean, sometimes if you're just playing and you have a double or triple, you're like, that sucks. Lose 10 bucks, 5 bucks, whoever you're playing, maybe lose a skin, right? If you're playing two on two or however your game works. I can't even imagine being in a situation you've had a great week and you're a guy that's trending. I actually think Joel Damon's played some pretty good golf of late. And he's another guy that I think if you just remove that hole, had a pretty good week last week. Now, does that totally rattle you and are you just like, can you not get over it? It was like, golf, I fucked up. I don't know how you hit two balls in the water, but he managed to do that. I am going to sprinkle on Joel Damon this week to finish in the top 20. And Matt Fitzpatrick is another guy who early in the season was terrible. The crazy part about golf is, is these guys, you know, we've talked about them running through caddies and it kind of pisses me off. It's like they treat their caddies like these, their offensive or defensive coordinator. It's like, dude, the guy's just carrying your bag. And for the most of these guys, handing you an eight iron when you say eight iron, and maybe helping you read some putts. But if the guy's been on your back for a while and you've won with them, clearly this guy doesn't suck. So you just pointing the finger at him is just not taking accountability for yourself. I do understand guys firing coaches, and I don't care who you are. Sean Foley. I'd say Butch is somewhat of an outlier. You know, people don't typically fire Butch, but the Hank Haney's, the Mark Blackburns, these Guys get fired all the time. Joseph Mayo, if you follow him on Instagram, the kind of chipping guru. Like, he's been fired and rehired by Victor Hovland multiple times. It happens. But Mark Blackburn, who was sometimes like, you're playing really well. It's like the coach is a genius, and then all of a sudden the guy starts playing shitty, and Max home is like, it's my coach's fault. So he gets fired, and Blackburn's been fired by a bunch of guys. All of a sudden, Fitzpatrick's Matt Fitzpatrick's caddy. He's having a terrible season. Honestly, I don't think he's played that well since a couple of years ago when he peaked his, I guess, swing coach wife is really sick and he's just staying home with them and can't travel and basically just is taking a hiatus, right. To not work with anybody, let alone Fitzpatrick. So Fitzpatrick hires Blackburn all of a sudden, like, the last month, he's been awesome, and he's technically the betting favorite this week. I don't know if I necessarily like him to win, but you look at the field, not great. There are going to be a bunch of guys that are tight because of what's on the line. Fitzpatrick can kind of be free. I think it's pretty clear he's going to be on the Ryder Cup. I think he's playing really well. It's kind of like, got her up. Like, if God's in, he's trending. Like, kind of ride him. I love Fitzpatrick to top 10 in this event. I actually did a little Parlay. Fitzpatrick, top 10, Homa and Ricky to top 20. And Damon's a guy that you can get, like, you know, top 20 is like 4 to 1, so nap, you know, does he run out of juice here? A little bit. But he's just another guy that's played really well. Someone asked me, like, when you bet on someone, are you breaking down? Like, how they're chipping? I like two things. One, how has the guy been playing? And if you just look at someone's last month and it's like T10 fifth, T18, you're like, well, he's just playing good golf. And then if you look at course history, he's played well. There kind of makes some sense. So I'm a big fan of Ricky Homa and Fitzpatrick. And that was brought to you by five hour energy transfusion. Flavor your golf bag secret to turning 18 holes into 36. Stock up for your next round at five hour energy dot com. Okay. How about the boys that live? You know, it's weird. Joaquin Neiman has dominated liv. If you remember when Liv first started, three or four years ago, whatever. Dustin Johnson won several times. Like, he was by far their biggest get at the time. Given his age, how he was playing, like, Phil was the biggest name. But Phil, as we see, I mean, he's borderline retired. You know, Dustin, when he got him, still, I don't want to say in the peak of his powers, but still elite and just started raking money, started dominating. And every single time they played, I was kind of gambling on him a little bit. He could win and that, you know, Joaquin Neiman is a guy that won on the PGA Tour. He won at riv. He's a really talented player, and he is dominating this year. Now, I do think overall, like, from a financial standpoint, he made like $30 million so far this year. It has been a very lucrative year for Joaquin, even, I would say, in the aggregate. Him making the move to live financially changed the course of his life. He has made so much fucking money these last couple years. No chance. He regrets it. But when people start anointing you as, like, one of the best players in the world, he's an elite guy. And you're like, listen, he's really talented. He's young. If he was on the PGA Tour, he probably would have won some over the last couple of years. He's a. He's won big events before. He's a really good player. I do think his year's been a little underwhelming because it was all kind of judged on the majors. Like, I know when live plays, whether they're in London, whether they're in Chicago in a couple of weeks, wherever they're playing, Joaquin even might win. Honestly. Pretty good chance. A couple of years ago, like, Gooch got hot. Gooch was winning, like, every other event. Like, okay, well, what are you going to do in the major and these last two majors? In the Open, in the US Open, he missed both cuts. So it's kind of this weird spot where you wanted to go. This is one of the young, bright players in the game of professional golf. That was the thing with dj. Like, I'd seen dj. He won the PGA Tour for a decade straight. He'd won multiple majors. He honestly probably should have won, like, four or five. So we go to Live. It's like, yeah, he's dominant player now. It's. He's kind of in retirement mode. But I kind of. I do think Joaquin Neiman in a Weird way, for a guy that's played really well when he plays these other guys, when he plays against Rahm, when he plays against, you know, Bryson, like, he's gone head to head with those guys and beat them. Terrell Hatton, Patrick Reed, I mean, these guys are major champions. These guys are guys favored when we go to. I mean, Hatton, obviously, Bryson, Rom are going to be top 10 guys. I mean, Bryson and Rahm typically top five guys in every major. And Joaquin Neiman's beating them in, you know, when they only play three rounds, but he's still beating them. Then he goes to these majors and those guys shine. It's like, where are you? So I just. I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get a little more to make this argument. Like, there is no argument, right? Besides, like, he's made a lot of money. One thing last week, though, I was. I was on Twitter and I saw, listen, the greatest or one of the greatest. I don't. I can't go back like, 50 years, but I would say of my lifetime of a guy hitting a driver off the deck is Bubba Watson. No one plays that huge fade. I remember when I was playing at the Olympic Club, maybe like four or five years ago, when I was living in the Bay Area, guy I was playing with was like, yeah, when they had the US Open here, Bubba hated it because where the tips were, there were some kind of tight lies or tight lines off the tee box where you had to, like, hit it through. And if you're playing way back, kind of a narrow kind of shoot, kind of like 18th at Augusta. But there were like four or five of those tee shots where you couldn't just. If you play a huge curve to your golf ball, you can't really just aim way left or way right. And Bubba didn't enjoy that course. Well, if you have a wide open course, the Masters is kind of unique beside 18 because you could hit it anywhere. And two, it plays to a left, it plays to a draw. Righty and a lefty hitting a cut. And Bubba hits a cut, but he hits this driver off the deck beautifully. Joaquin Neiman's running away with this thing. Bubba's not even in the conversation until he has a stretch where he goes, birdie, eagle, birdie, birdie, eagle, birdie. For my count, that is 1, 2, 3, 4. That's eight under par in six holes. That's as good as you get. And his two Eagles were on two par fives would drive her off the deck both times. One of them he hit it to like three feet and the other one, he hit it to like 30ft and made the putt. But watching a guy from 260 to 290 yards take a driver out and play this huge cut. All arms, no legs, no one quite does it like Bubba Watson. So that was really enjoyable. And I guess me and Colin in a couple weeks we'll be in Chicago. I think we're hosting a little something during the day, so we'll see how that goes. Foreign.
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Jemele Hill
I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats.
- [69:37]
Katie Couric
I'm Katie Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back and our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.
- [69:53]
Jemele Hill
It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally like I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah.
- [70:21]
Katie Couric
Listen to next question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [70:29]
Dr. Lea Tritate
Sometimes it's hard to remember, but going.
- [70:31]
John Middlecoff
Through something like that is a traumatic experience. But it's also not the end of your life.
- [70:37]
Dr. Lea Tritate
That was my dad Reminding me and so many others who need to hear it that our trauma is not our shame to carry and that we have big, bold and beautiful lives to live after what happened to us. I'm your host and co president of this organization, Dr. Leitra Tate. On my new podcast, the Unwanted Sorority, we wade through transformation to peel back healing and reveal what it actually looks like and sounds like in real time. Each week I sit down with people who've lived through harm, carried silence, and are now reshaping the systems that failed us. We're going to talk about the adultification of black girls mothering as resistance and the tools we use for healing. The Unwanted Sorority is a safe space, not a quiet space. So let's lock in. We're moving towards liberation together. Listen to the Unwanted Sorority new episodes every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [71:31]
Dani Shapiro
Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Dani Shapiro and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you. Stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [72:38]
John Middlecoff
Let's, let's go to lopod, which is my Instagram and the easiest way for you guys to get involved on the podcast. Okay, John, I want to know how you would count this round. A few years ago I played 4th of July tournament. I called that's called the Red, White and the Blue. Each player gets to pick six holes where they play each of the different set of tee boxes. It was obviously easier to score. This is the only tournament I've ever broken. 71 on a birdie birdie finish. Good job. Anytime. I brought it up to my dad, he genuinely believes it doesn't count at all. I get his perspective, but I feel it has to count for something because I was the net low round for the tournament. While eight players had better handicap after graduating. I'm pretty burnout of Golf. So I don't think I'll even get that close again. What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's one of those where you can tell people like the one time I shot under par, best round of my life, I played three different tees. I do think there's a dramatic difference in shooting 71. Let's just say we go to a random course and let's not even say 71. Let's say 75. Well, if you shoot 75 from the tips and 75 from the male tees, which sometimes are two tees up. I know there are a lot of courses. Let's use TPC Scottsdale as an example. There are the black tees where the pros would play. Then there are the blue tees which are decent player would play and then you can even play the whites. So I've shot 73 or 74 from the Blues out of TPC. That is not the same. I think is like shooting 78 from the tips. So I. It doesn't count. It doesn't mean you can't be excited. You played well because I've said before you can play different courses. If I take you to ladies tees, like for me I hit the ball pretty far. So if you take me to the red tees, some holes I have like a 50 yard shot in instead of 150 yard shot in. That can be. I'd rather have a nine iron that 50 yard shot. I don't feel comfortable hitting that 50 yard shot. So it can be more difficult, but that's not the way people think. I totally agree that the PGA is the fourth major and honestly it's not even close. I feel like the US Open has the hardest challenge in golf. The Open has a link style, weather and the Master is sweet for obvious reasons. But the pga, while a valid major, just doesn't have any character. What would you think the PGA being hosted at courses with an emphasis of being visually stunning in setups that really vary from standard quote unquote tour look. I'm thinking Wolf's Creek, Bandon Dunes and some wild mountain courses. It'd be that the pros might tear the places like that apart. But damn, that would be cool to watch. I would be totally okay with that. I think one reason that some of the courses you've thrown out that just have no chance, I think the distance element like what these guys now it could be so windy at Band and Dunes. Those guys would be bitching and moaning oh my God. But I do think some of the distance for some of these courses make it really difficult to, for them to do that. And I think the PGA of America, you know, I don't know. I. I'd be down. You wouldn't hear me complain. That's just clearly not going to happen ever. Now, granted, I think some of the PGA Championships coming up, I think once, I think they're inhabited. Olympic Club coming up. But I'm with you. I think at Bannon Dunes. Why not just have an event at Bannon Dunes? Why can't we do that? Why can't we just have an event at Band and Dunes? Who would complain about that? Nobody ever. You're probably aware, but maybe some listeners aren't that anyone other exempt who finishes top four at the Open in the other majors gets an invite in a next year's Masters. Why doesn't NBC lean into this? The tournament was over when Scotty hit a shot to a kick in range on number one. When Houton Lee and other guys on the range get. Get in the range of an invite on the final few holes, the coverage can't lean into that at all. To me, it's a legit, interesting story worth celebrating alongside a great champion in Scotty. I don't think it takes away from the winner and it also acknowledges a guy needing a par, birdie, whatever, to earn his way to Augusta. I do wonder if it's because, like, let's use CBS or NBC or I guess CBS has the Masters, but if NBC has the Open, they go, well, we don't have the Masters, so why even promote it? It's like, well, guys, it's the Masters. Who cares? Like, we're all watching it anyway. Anyone that's watching the NBC broadcast is going to watch the Masters. But I do wonder if that factors in. I've always thought the golf media loves saying that they needed to like a cut cam on Friday. It's like, guys, most of these events, non majors are on Golf Channel and do like 3, 4, 500,000 people on a Friday afternoon that a cut cam, it's one of those things that sounds good on Twitter. It's. In reality, it's not. Doesn't add that much, I think, to the entertainment product on television. Like again, it sounds really cool, but in terms of how many people are watching, would it make that big a difference? I hear what you're saying, but I. They just, they don't care. Do you think within the next two or three years suspensions will be lifted for live players to play some PGA events? Would be sweet to see Ron Bryson, Phil at the Waste Management again, I do think Phil's retired. Like whenever Phil and Liv end, I think he's done playing golf and I think he's close to being done quote unquote, competitive golf now. So I think we're coming down the home stretch of Phil Mickelson's career. I think Bryson and John Rom 1000%. I would use Terrell Hatton as well. Joaquin Neiman, any of their top guys. Patrick Reed. This is the issue is these players are so hell bent like guys, these decisions were made, it's over. We've all moved on. So if we're going to get uniformity again, the new CEO, I got to be willing to lift these suspensions, let these guys play when they want to play. And again, it could just be like, hey, if you're interested, we'll give you two or three tournaments a year. So if like John Rom, Scottsdale guy, you want to play in the Waste Management, you're in Riviera, Torrey Pines, you like those courses you're in. Bryson, Texas guy, any of the Texas tournaments you're interested, you're in some of the Florida guys, Phil or DJ Brooks, Haddon, whoever. Neiman, I guess he lives in Florida. The Arnold Palmer, Bay Hill. The player, I guess the players, you, I don't know. It's just so stupid. Can we just let everyone play together again? Curious how much your scores fluctuate. According to my Garmin golf app where I log all my rounds, I'm a six and a half, but I shot 92 yesterday. My previous round, I was plus four through 15 and had to quit because the rain rolled in. Not sure if my Garmin app is accurate, accurately calculating a handicap. I mean, I can shoot anywhere from 74 to 88. So I think most people that aren't a scratch can vary. I mean, if you take me to a course and my driver's off, I can shoot 85. With these, you can take me to a hard course if I'm hitting fairways and putting decent, like I can shoot 76. So I, I think you're most of us, especially if you were, I would say like a 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, kind of that range. Because if you're a 15, someone goes, oh, I'm a 5. You think that guy's really good. A 5 handicap with ease can shoot 85 with ease, right? And that 15 handicap, if he's playing decent, can shoot 92. So you're like, there's only like a, you're 5 handicap. I'm a 15 and if we played match play, maybe you only beaten by one hole. So I don't think it's that weird at all. Sometimes these golf accounts will tweet or Instagram out stuff like that. Like to like hey this is what a three handicap shoots. When you just say hey I'm a three handicap, the average person that plays golf that's like a double digit handicap will think that guy's shooting 74 every round. He is 100% not shooting 74, 75 every round. A lot of 79s, a lot of 80s. And if you're shooting 80 you are a bad shot away from shooting 83. I see Morikawa on the fringe of the Ryder cup team. Not only is his game not where he needs to be, the guy seems like a tough hang. I can never see him the same after watching him on full swing. I'm not sure I'm the only one. Also, did you read Alan Shipnuck's Phil Mickelson's book? I took Collins advice and read it. Really enjoyed it. Highly recommend. Although I disagree with Alan on a few things, I can see why Phil doesn't love the book. I have not read it yet. But and let's be real, I'm more of an audiobook guy. I'm. I'm reading or listening to Wise Guy right now, which is the book that Scorsese made Goodfellas off of. Scorsese actually in the audio version of this book and I would imagine the actual book to gave the gave the forward. And I'm also listening to some of Charlie Munger's I think like the Smart Investor or the Complete Investor. So the thing with audiobooks, I can go back and forth with actual tangible books. One I'm just not great at reading them anymore in terms of just sitting down, letting loose. I need to. It's something I want to do. But I also know myself it's easier for me to fire through audiobooks. I do think you probably retain more information when you sit down and read them than when you listen, but it kind of is what it is. Just curious as to what your take is on golf expectations for new golfers. Was playing with my dad, my father in law last week and he's pretty solid, probably around a 10. He told me that I was a good golfer but I tend to expect too much of my game only being five or so years in. What do you think realistic expectations should be for a normal guy playing a couple times a week as he gets into the game? Well, depends what you shoot, right? So if you've been in the game for five years, and especially, let's just assume the summer, you play a little more and you start shooting, I don't know, 90, right? You break 90 a couple times. I don't think it's crazy to be mad if you shoot 100, right. Scores are all relative, right? I've said this forever about money. Money's all relative. Money to some people seems like a lot. To others seems like nothing. No different than golf. Pro golfers get really mad when they shoot 73. If I shot 73 every single round the rest of my life, I'd be the happiest golfer in the history of the game, right? But if I shot 88, I'm mad. So it's all. It's kind of relative to what you are shooting. And then, like, is what you do well. Like, if you're a good driver of the ball or a good chipper of the ball. If you have a bad day doing one of those, like, sometimes. Well, if I'm doing this bad, I'm in trouble, right? So I think it's. It's. So everyone is kind of their own story on the golf course based on what your handicap is, based on what you're shooting, based on how you've been playing, based on your expectations. Are you gambling? Right? Because I think it's also, like, if you're betting someone, even if you play well and you lose, like, I. You can be mad. I. I do think, though, there gets to a point, and I've. I've had one moment in the last, like, four years where I kind of, like, slammed a club, made a huge kind of hole in the ground on a tee box, and the next holes threw my hat. I was like, I'm a fucking loser. What am I doing? I'm playing for 20 bucks. In what world can I. Why am I getting so mad? One, when you get really mad at golf, it doesn't really help you out. And two, like, it was kind of the Bum Gardner thing. When you used to pop up a pitch, it's like. And then the guy threw his bat. It's like, bro, you expected to fucking hit a home run. I expected to shove it right down the, you know, Broadway and strike your ass out. So just act like a pro. Kind of act like you've been there before. Even the Bumgar. Sometimes we get a little mad. Like, guy pimped the home runs. Like Madison, the guy who's hit a home run off you.
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- [86:47]
Jemele Hill
I think Democrats have for a very long time allowed Republicans to play them. So essentially Republicans came up with a narrative and Democrats decided to play into that. And that only hurt the Democrats.
- [87:01]
Katie Couric
I'm Kitty Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back and our recent chat on Next Question is no exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.
- [87:17]
Jemele Hill
It's just hard to imagine a world where you don't have enough people that care to do right by people. And so that same passion that carried me through as a public defender, that led me to want to change laws and thinking about the harm that will happen not just to my constituents, but just generally like I carry that weight with me because you've seen it up close. Yeah.
- [87:45]
Katie Couric
Listen to Next Question with me, Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [87:53]
Dr. Lea Tritate
Sometimes it's hard to remember, but going.
- [87:55]
John Middlecoff
Through something like that is a traumatic experience, but it's also not the end of your life.
- [88:01]
Dr. Lea Tritate
That was my dad reminding me and so many others who need to hear it that our trauma is not our shame to carry and that we have big, bold and beautiful lives to live after what happened to us. I'm your host and co president of this organization, Dr. Lea Tritate. On my new podcast, the Unwanted Sorority, we wade through transformation to peel back healing and reveal what it actually looks like and sounds like in real time. Each week I sit down with people who've lived through harm, carried silence, and are now reshaping the systems that failed us. We're going to talk about the adultification of black girls Mothering as resistance and the tools we use for healing. The Unwanted Sorority is a safe space, not a quiet space. So let's lock in. We're moving towards liberation together. Listen to the Unwanted Sorority New episodes every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
- [88:55]
Dani Shapiro
Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you. Stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
- [89:56]
John Middlecoff
Foreign Just heard you talking about growing up in the Bay. Grew up in Davis, right down the street, probably 45 hour away depending on where you're going. My son just qualified for the US Amateur. Good player. Have you played Olympic? That I have played it a bunch. First golf tournament ever went to 1998. The US opened with my father, his buddy Jerry and my buddy Travis. I remember watching John Daly hit off the first hole, put a cigarette on the ground. It was sweet. That was 18th hole. I remember Payne Stewart like hit like three putts right back to himself. The last time I played a couple years ago with a buddy, I was actually I played the member guest there. They have ripped up the course and changed it. So I have not played whatever this new version is. I know that a lot of members had complained the courses was really hard and the bunkers were outrageously hard. So if you weren't really good, and even really good players I think didn't love that course because it wasn't always that fun to play if you were a little off. But I do think it's sweet. Enjoy it. I mean it's one of. It's gotta be that in pebble beach, the most historic course out west. I mean there are pictures in the clubhouse like I think Bobby Jones like the 1920s hitting out of this crazy rough. Obviously they've hosted US Opens there for decades. It's historically one of the harder US Open venues not named Oakmont. I mean, they've had years where I think even or plus one won it. Maybe minus one won it back when Webb Simpson. What? Webb Simpson In 2000, 2012, maybe Jim Fury pumped it to the left on hole 16. I think it was. It was 2012. Webb Simpson shot plus one and he won by one str. So if your major is plus one now, the game's a lot different now. Guys hit it way farther. So I don't know if +1 would do it there now, but. Okay, a couple more questions. I started golfing about a year ago and was gifted a set of hand me downs for my boss and I've been using them ever since. I supplemented the set with a driver, woods and putter that I'm happy with. I like the wedges, but the irons are a set of Mizuno blades. They are in decent shape, but they're not very forgiving. No, they're not. As I improve the sport, is it worth investing in different, more forgiving irons or should I stick with the blades because as I get better I'm going to want to feel more or should I just upgrade them as they wear out and buy something that better fits my playing style? I would say in 2025, there couldn't be a more difficult path to trying to improve at the sport than playing a set of Mizuno blades to start off your golfing career. Golf is frustrating even if you have equipment that fits you and is forgiving. It is extremely difficult if the day and age of people playing blades in general is kind of over. Even when you look at a lot of the pros, they might have a pitching wedge, a nine iron and an eight iron in the quote unquote blade, but 7, 6, 5 usually or more the quote unquote cavity back or a thicker back to iron. So you are making the game extremely difficult. It's already hard enough. I. I would look into even if it's just a pair of used clubs that don't even necessarily like, are fit, you know, like are actually set to your quote unquote fitting that. That's, that's way too hard. I would not do that. That does not sound fun at all. I've been playing golf for 40 years old for 30 plus years. You couldn't pay me just to recreationally play with blades right now. It sounds miserable. It doesn't sound fun. It's, it's, it's too hard. The game, the game is way too difficult to do it. That Way. Okay, couple more. Watching Scotty's historic run, it has been sweet, but got me thinking. What's the difference between guys like Spieth Brooks that go on heaters verse career greatness like Tiger and Phil that are able to sustain winning and success for a decade versus a year or two? Pure talent, mental game, dedication, craft. Let's use Jordan as an example. I would imagine, if you did like a deep dive on Spieth. His work ethic, love and passion for the sport, competitiveness, like he checks all those boxes, right? His drive to try to win, his ability to play in the bright lights. As I was told a long time ago by someone that got a golf lesson from Butch Harmon. And they asked Butch, what do you think of Jordan? And this is, I think like 2017. So kind of toward the end of his couple year, crazy heater. And Butch said, listen, if he ever stops putting, like the greatest putter of all time, he'll come back to the pack because he is on one of the craziest putting heaters in the history of the sport. He doesn't hit it that long relative to some of the guys. And he's not a straight driver of the golf ball now actually in 2025 and recently is a much straighter driver off the tee, but so is everybody. That's the equipment. His irons aren't as good. I just think one. And Jordan's talked about this. Your body changes. So as your body changes, your swing changes. I mean, Tiger made four swing changes. I heard someone say this once about Phil. If you look at his swing over the last 20 years, it's kind of the same. Phil is actually really flexible. And when you look at Phil's movement, like, it's pretty long. His swing speed is kind of. It looks kind of mirrors what it's been since he started winning majors. Even now at 55, it doesn't look that much different. Where Jordan, like, is always got weird shit going on. Koepka injured. I think sometimes guys just maybe get a little older and don't work quite as hard. Like DJ is an example. Your body betrays you. Koepka's knees get kind of up. Golf's hard. I mean, it's just you could be a 10 handicap, you can be a 2 handicap. You can go on stretches where you're playing really well, and all of a sudden something just changes and you, like, don't really know what to do. And I think the difference of a pro golfer and one of us is then if you're a pro golfer, you start overanalyzing it and you even make yourself worse. What Padrick Harrington say that more tournaments have been lost on the driving range than one. More careers have ended on that thing as well. So I just think golf's weird. Like the harder you try sometimes the worse you get. It's got kind of like this baseball feel to it, but you still have to work really hard and kind of stay dialed into your craft. It's like you watch Scotty Scheffer, you think it's kind of a sustainable thing. He can hit all the shots. He's excellent with his driver. Unreal iron player, great chipping. Putting just in general is kind of for any good player. Can be a little streaky, but it's like that feels sustainable. You know, Dustin Johnson for a long time felt sustainable. Koepka always felt a little bit like, what's going on here? Five of his nine wins were majors. Is he's not trying? Is he more of a bright lights guy? You know he won. Think about this. Seven of Brooks Koepka's nine wins, five are majors and two are waste management. So what's clear with Brooks Koepka? He likes it fucking the light and the intensity and it to be prime time. He probably liked the waste management crowds. Rory McElroy hates them now. It's, you know, Tiger hated him too. Because those guys don't need a manipulated crowd to like get into it. They get a crowd wherever they go. So I don't know if that's a great answer. I don't think people know if Jordan knew, he would fix it. But I don't think it's like the intent. It's not like lack of trying or lack of practice. I think it's just the nature of golf. Enjoy your perspective on things. Around this time last year, Xander had won the Open and locked in two majors in the same season. You had said that Scotty would trade his 7 win 1 major 24 for Xander's 2 win 2 major 24 season. I do believe that at that time there was some debate about who deserves the PGA Player of the Year. The 25 season isn't over. But given where we are now, if Scotty had to pick his more successful season, do you think he'd say 24 or 25? 1 million percent this year. 1 million percent. Now the difference is, is, did Xander Schoffley win a tournament last year beside the majors? He won the pga, the Open. He did not. So Scottie Scheffler has won multiple tournaments this year, right? He definitely Won a tournament in Texas. His year this year is just better than Xander's last year. Like this year he's got. He won the CJ cup by eight shots. Yeah, I think even if we don't count that which he beat the shit out of everybody there. In a season if you win two majors in the Memorial and he won the Memorial by four shots. So he won Jax tournament, the PGA Championship in the Open. Xander just won the two majors. So I think would he take his. However many wins he had last year, seven in the Masters. He'd already won a Masters too. I think he would definitely take this season 1 million percent take this season. I do believe what I said last year too. Once you get to these guys level and you're so rich, I mean these guys have so much money. You would take multiple majors over any other accomplishments. Right. Unless you won like 10 times. But with Scotty rather win five times and win one major or win one time in two majors. He will take the multiple majors every time at this point, every time. That year for Xander changed his life because he was already an elite player. He's one of the best Americans of his generation. He's won tournaments, he's a rider cupper. He's great in majors. But it was like is this guy ever going to win a big one? And then he's one too. You can never say shit about. I do think Xander will win another one. Honestly. He's battling back from the injury this year. He hasn't been that bad in majors. I think he top 10 and two. Definitely he. I think he topped 10 in the, in the Open and I think he was in the mix. Kind of a backdoor Masters. I don't think he was bad in the Masters. I would, I would take the over. Like does Xander win another major? I would say 1000% yes. And if you end up with three like Google, how many guys have won three career majors? That's a big deal. So winning two in one year kind of changed your life. Now maybe it was just the year where he kind of like his Marco Mirror year right. Where he just took advantage and one is two. It happens.
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