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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Josh Allen & Bills UPSET by DOMINANT Texans defense on TNF
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What is going on everybody? How are we doing on this Fugazi Friday? Brought to you by my friends at Zone Pouches. And it turns out the Bills might be the biggest fugazi of them all. They lose to the Texans on Thursday Night Football to fall to 7 to 4. 7 and 4. Looking way up at the Patriots, who if they win this week, are in complete control of the division and the Bills, but got to be fighting for a wild card. What? What a dominant performance by the Texans defense. We will dive into that game. Something I saw from CD Lamb and George Pickens that actually makes me like him a lot more, right? Reminds me of my youth when it comes to pro sports. JJ McCarthy will have Stuckey on as well. So big, big Friday show. I think we'll have a Saturday mailbag as well too. So getting us ready for, you know, the week weekend before Thanksgiving. We got a bunch of good games next week. Yeah, it's a little hit or miss this weekend, but we'll get fired up tonight was. That was pretty riveting television. Not gonna lie. I mean, when you factor in two playoff teams, I don't know, Texans end up making it.
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But that defense is pretty.
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That defense is no joke. But you guys know the drill. Make sure you subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the YouTube page. Just type in my name, subscribe and never miss a thing. Other than that, we'll just keep the content flowing. But before we dive into some football, I gotta tell you about my friends Zone Pouches. And quick warning. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Underage SALE prohibited If you're as competitive as I am, you always are looking for something to help you stay dialed in. That's what I just had to do during that game. And that thing for me is Zone Pouches. You won't catch me without my can of mints. I have a big delivery coming though. Not to mention 20 pouches per can versus the 15 the other guys offer. Choose zone and dominate the day. Use the promo code number three and out 20@nico kick.com for 20% at checkout. Let's just dive into this game. Obviously the Texans win 23 to 19 it I don't know if I've ever seen anything quite like it. As someone text me when you sack Josh seven or eight times that's the equivalent of like 15 for another team. That was as big of an ass kicking from a front four to an offensive line as you will see all season long. Especially when you're factoring, we're not that far removed Just a couple months that the Buffalo Bills were the betting favorite to win the AFC and win the super bowl. They were a gigantic favorite at the beginning of the year to win the division, a division in which they have dominated for years. Obviously the super bowl feels like a mile away from this team. The division feels all but over and it's not even Thanksgiving because it's not just like well John, we still got Josh Allen. Yeah, you had Josh Allen against Texans. You kind of got worked and like it's not his fault. You have a superhuman player obviously tonight I wouldn't say was his best effort though I'm not sure what he can do. We'll dive into the players around them but this Bill's team is extremely flawed and tonight clearly wasn't good for them on the injury front. Lots lost multiple defenders, Cook got banged up their their weapons. They're already missing Kincaid. Keon Coleman pissed off someone really really bad. He can't even get a helmet and shoulder pads on game day anymore. But the fascinating part of this game was it was strength on strength. The reigning mvp, a guy that just had six touchdowns or counted for six touchdowns, three throwing three on the ground four days ago. As dominant a physical specimen as there is in the league when he's on against a defense that listen, depending on the statistic where you want to rank them, they are as good as any and Daniel Hunter looks like arnold Schwarzenegger in 1979. Will Anderson is as good of a young player as there is in the NFL. Any position that includes quarterback. All of their DBs can run, catch the ball and hit. Their defensive coaching is pretty elite when you factor in how good d' Ameco is. Matt Burke's doing a really good job obviously as well calling the plays. But Josh lost and Josh the offense lost and the Texans defense completely controlled that game. Really about the second quarter on in the second half it wasn't even a fair fight. The Bill's offensive line, which is pretty good, was getting absolutely worked on every single play and at one point in time in the fourth quarter, Herb street brings, brings up. The Texans had only blitz four times and on the fifth time that's when they hit Shakir on a massive play that looked like almost saved their, saved the game. He juked a couple guys out, led him to field goal. It went from 23 to 16 to 23 to 19. Obviously they couldn't score in that final drive where Shakira again made an incredible play on great play call by Joe Brady on the hook and ladder which when Josh let the ball go on the hook and ladder it was like 4th and 27. You went, I don't think that's going 27 yards, just. It was awesome. That, that was, that, that was a great play call but it wasn't quite enough. Then you know, Gabe Davis's foot doesn't get come into bounds a couple plays later and obviously they get stuffed because their defensive line, Will Anderson makes a great play but the right tackle was getting abused all night. Dion Dawkins. I don't know if it was the Texan speed. He does look a little heavy to me. I know he is a bigger guy but he looked extremely slow out there. He had an awful false start at the end of the game. And even Herb street was like, that's what happens when you're terrified about getting smoked off the edge. And the Texans team speed was just, was just elite. And the Bills really had no answers. And if their offense doesn't dominate, they're screwed. A couple weeks ago, as Josh said, he played terribly. What happened? They got destroyed by Miami last week. They were in trouble. Like Sean Tucker looked like Ladanian Tomlinson or Marshall Falk. You go. Is Tampa really going to go to Buffalo and win this game? Well, no. Josh is like, I'm going to score six touchdowns and make sure we don't lose this game. And today they were going to need that again. But that's not possible against this defense. And that's the Bill's problem. They're not a well rounded team. Their defense when healthy is questionable. Their defense after tonight, when you're missing multiple guys because they're getting injured in the game, you lose a first round pick, you lose one of your better linebackers. All of a sudden your defense is bad. There was a moment in the first half, when Ray Davis takes the kickoff to the house, which was an awesome play, right, Bounces off his own blocker. Both the defenders go to make a tackle. He bounces right, does a spin move, they whiff, he takes it to the crib, they take the lead. Davis Mills, a backup quarterback, gets the ball back under two minutes, drives right down the field. Touchdown. To me that moment before the second half even happened, I went. If you can't in a massive spot, just at minimum hold the Texans to a field goal attempt, let alone just not let them cross the 50 as a defense, this is not C.J. stroud, this is not Patrick Mahomes, this is not Lamar Jackson, this is not Drake, man, the Patriots. This is Davis freaking Mills. Right down the field, touchdown. Go to half. You don't have the lead. I went, I'm out. You have one thing is consistent in football. I would I say high school football. Haven't watched high school football in a while, but definitely college football. In the NFL you have no chance to win a championship. Hell, you have no chance to really make hay in the playoffs. If your defense is not good, I don't care who your quarterback is. And obviously the Bills have a fantastic quarterback. Their defense isn't good enough. You don't need to be the Texans on defense. That's best case scenario. Your defense just has to be capable. And tonight, not only are they not capable, they do not look good, they do not look like they have the personnel. And then offensively, their margin for error in Buffalo is pretty small. Why I was thinking this tonight, obviously their GM in the aggregate has done a good job. Him and Sean were a big reason Josh Allen got drafted like that. When you make that draft pick kind of carries you for a long time. But once you get six, seven, eight years into the career, especially once you start paying him a ton of money, they've made some other personnel mistakes, like paying Von Miller a lot of money. That money still carries on their salary cap. Their left tackle makes a lot of money. James Cook now makes a lot of money. They paid Joey Bosa this year, what, 12, $13 million. They have paid some people some money. You need to take advantage in the draft. And they drafted Keon Coleman, who? Listen, I'm not going to act like I'm playing Monday morning quarterback. I like the pick, I like the player. Loved him at Florida State, clearly they already had Khalil Shakir, who is an excellent player. He was awesome tonight. That is a winning football. You can go to war against the Chiefs, against the Ravens against the Texans. Big time defenses, big time teams with that guy, but he needs help. You have a great running back. I know he's banged up, but like James Cook is a high end player. You did need a big physical wide receiver a year and a half in. He was inactive on Sunday and then four days later, after Dion Dawkins after the game was like, listen, we're not going to dwell on this. We're going to move forward. We talk to him, head up, keep on rolling. Well, to me, something doesn't add up. Like this is more than just like missed a meeting, slept through something. Like, clearly they are pissed off on you, they are down on you as a player because four days later you're inactive again and let's face it, a must win game. This falls on the organization. And then when you look at the following picks of teams that are good, the next pick. And listen, the Bills weren't going to take lad McConkey. Now, lad McConkey is probably a better player than Shakir, but like they already have their version and Shakira's damn good, but lad McConkey's drafted the next player. My point is the Chargers, immediately a playoff team, get one of the best players on their team and then let's just say, okay, well, you could have used defensive players. Let's pick a couple other playoff teams. A couple selections later, the Philadelphia Eagle Eagles, you know who they took? Cooper De Jean. Last time I checked, that guy's pretty good. The Los Angeles Rams, they're pretty good. Took Braden Fisk. You knew you could use a big time defensive lineman. The Bills, that is your job to get this right. And when you draft keon Coleman, pick 33 on a roster like this that is extremely top heavy with money, you got to take advantage of your picks. Listen, like, is Xavier worthy, how good he plays for the Chiefs, they depend on the guy. Wiggins, the, the corner from Clemson who's on the Ravens, every time I look up, he's making plays. So those picks in the late 20s, early 30s for the good teams, whether you stay there in the 20s or you trade back to 33, 34, 35, you gotta make hay because those guys, you get impact starters for cheap money. And the bill's a year and a half into this guy. He can't even dress on game days because who knows, you know, Sean McDermott's pretty tight lipped and the Bills aren't some leaky organization, but clearly something's going on. They're, they're extremely down on him. So let's call a spade a spade. That pick currently is a disaster because I'm watching today kind of could have used someone I don't know to help them out, but he's sitting on this in the sideline with a T shirt. And I'm not blaming them for not having him active. Clearly they have their reasons. They've proven to be a high level organization. They know what they're doing, but they picked the guy and he can't contribute. And let's face it, on the totality, like he's been pretty underwhelming. So then when you factor in like you're an offensive team, your offensive line is getting their ass kicked through the first half. Josh Allen, do you have 100 yards? Davis Mills outplayed him in the first half. Now part of it's not even his fault. He only has Shakira to throw to really. And he's running for his life. And Josh Allen, typically, when he's running for his life, can run away from most people. You're not running away from Will Anderson. You're not running away from. I just can't get over how big Daniel Hunter's arms are. Like, I mean I do some curls sometimes. What's he do? I would love to ask him. Like, do you slow release the down part of the curl? How do you get the biceps that big? He is a monster. I mean those two guys, what are you supposed to do if you're the Bills, you at least got to neutralize them a little bit. And they really had no answers all game long. And I like most people, I mean they've been one of the premium teams in the league now for six, seven years since Josh has become a star. I don't remember him getting his ass kicked and just consistently hawked and thrown to the ground play after play after play. Honestly, if you just ask someone if they didn't have the box score up, how many times a night was Josh Allen sacked? You might say 15. It felt like he was on the ground every other play. It's honestly pretty nuts that they had a chance to win the game. They had the ball with a couple timeouts, driving the field against one of the best defense in the league. Now part of that is they, they hit a hook and ladder but the strength of their team got destroyed. And if the strength of your team, even if you were playing one of the best units in the league, you, you at least have to be a push, right? Especially in a game like this. Now listen, these Thursday night games on the Road. This is not, it's not like they're hopping on a train. Like this is a several hour flight. My guess is Buffalo to Houston, three and a half, four hours. I mean, it's a, it's a long flight. That, that, that is not an easy trip. This is not an easy game. This would be a, one of those games at the beginning of the season you think you could drop, but when you dropped the Dolphins game a couple of weeks ago, you can't drop this one, not when the Patriots keep winning. So I'm just, I'm just stunned and I think this, this loss tonight's on the front office. Picking the wrong players, not having enough talent on defense, picking the wrong player. A year ago at pick 33, that draft pick was extremely important for the Buffalo Bills, you know, and he can't even dress on game day. I can't stress to you enough how big of a disaster that is. I mean, seriously, to pick 33 when you are a Super bowl caliber team a year and a half in can't dress on game day because it's clearly about more than just sleeping in, in a meeting, you don't think he's good enough. You thought your offense was better without him, and that's an indictment. So for as much as I bet everyone's going to shit on Sean McDermott and listen, when you're a defensive coach and your defense looks like that and it's clearly you're the guy calling the defense, you bear that right. And you have a lot of pull in the draft. When you're drafting defensive players over the years, you take responsibility on that. But the Keon Coleman move, man. And then like when you have a good offensive line, like they got to show up and they look, they look slow, they looked injured, they look fat. I mean they just. I don't know how much I like Deon Dawkins. I have a lot of respect for him. His entire story coming from Temple, you know, non, like top 10 pick becoming a high end left tackle looks like he weighs like 370 pounds. You can't play against Will Anderson and Neil Hunter when you're, you know, carrying all that extra weight. Obviously he's a big guy. It's not like he's going to weigh 290 pounds, but just look so stiff and like he had no shot and the right tackle is getting spun like a dreidel. So if you're a Bills fan, I think you got to ask yourself, is our, is the window kind of over, like this little run of this group. Obviously with Josh, he's not going to go away, but does kind of feel that way. And if I was a betting man, like, I don't see this team making a run in the playoffs, honestly, you could argue that the Texans, if they were to get in, would be scarier now. Still don't love their offense. You know, they are very dependent. And I like Woody Marks, has been pretty impressive, but you saw tonight, the more carries he got, he got a little banged up. You know, when Chubb comes in, he lacks some juice. Nothing but respect for that guy. Battling through that knee injury, but no longer quite has the same explosion. But that defense, holy shit. Like, that defense on any playoff game could beat any team. They can be. And they've done. D', Amico, Nick Casario, they deserve a lot of credit because early on, like, I was out, I was like, this. The O line sucks. This coordinator sucks. This team's in shambles. And then a couple weeks ago, once CJ gets the concussion, you're like, this thing's over. Like, listen, is he perfect? No. Davis Mills, a pretty damn good backup, missed a couple throws early in that game, but just kept swinging, kept throwing, kept chucking it, made some plays. Honestly, I felt like the offensive coordinator called passes when he should have called runs. It's like, bro, you. You can be conservative here. Just run out the clock. I know you got faith in this guy. He's Stanford guy, smart guy, good player for a backup. Honestly, he's probably. He's probably better than a backup, but he's not quite good enough to be a top 20 starter. He's kind of in that no man's land, but he's going to play in the NFL for a long time. And it does look, these last couple games, like he's kind of saved their season. I mean, a couple weeks ago, what were they down 28 to 10 or something to the Jags in the fourth quarter? Came storming back. He made a bunch of plays tonight, threw a couple touchdowns. Google how many Josh threw. He threw zero. So, I mean, it's just he came through. And obviously defensively, I just can't get over. I love, you know, in sports and specifically football, when you make a really bold move, right? Clearly the organization and it felt like the owner kind of pressed them to take C.J. stroud, and I obviously don't regret doing that, but they loved Will Anderson, and they came back from 12 to three. They gave a pick 12, pick 33, and the following year's number one. When you make A trade like that, you better nail it. And so I, there's a lot of pressure on the Jags with Travis Hunter. It's like, you know, you went from 5 to 2, you traded another first round pick. This guy better be like Deion Sanders 2.0 or something or this is not going to age well. Well, I got news for you. The Will Anderson pick was a hit. That trade was worth it because he's as good of as any player under 25 in the NFL. I mean, his, his. I remember when he was coming out, the talk about his football character, like in scouting circles at the combine, the pro day was as good as it gets. Like from a football character standpoint, means how hard he trains, how seriously he takes everything surrounding the rehab, the lifting, the film study, practice habits, how much he loves football, how into it he is. Obviously when you watch him play NFL games, he jumps off the screen. As a guy, you can't play any harder. You literally, you know, like Max Crosby when you're watching him is like, you can't play any harder than this. And when you have talent and your effort is 10 out of 10, you're going to dominate. He reminds me a little bit, it's not an apples to apples comparison, but a little bit of a young Khalil Mack, I'd argue, you know, Khalil might have had a little more natural bend maybe, but will, Will Anderson's motor, you could argue beside Max Crosby is as good as anyone in the NFL. So when you're the number three overall pick from Alabama and you have the second best motor in the NFL, you're probably going to be pretty good. And especially when you're playing across from Daniel Hunter, who again, I think besides like Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1982, no one has bigger biceps in the last 40 years in America than that guy. They are just, they jump off the screen. So it's like, oh, you can bend the edge and you're six foot five and yet you have those pythons. That's what a defensive end supposed to look like. So just an ass kicking. I know it's 2319. It didn't feel that close. I mean that, that was a really, really impressive performance by the Houston Texans with their backup quarterback just defense buckling their chin straps and fucking cracking skulls all night. There were a couple times, I mean, Josh Allen is kind of Roethlisberger and Cam Newton, even when he gets sacked, you expect him to hop back up. There are a couple times a night it's like, man, he's Gonna need some help. Did he just break a collarbone? He's got the wind knocked out of him. They just break his wrist. And every time you'd kind of shake it off. But I. He's not going to feel good getting out of bed tomorrow morning. Neither are anyone on the Bills, because I think they're kind of looking. And if you're Sean McDermott now, I think, you know, they. They lose that job. I, I think if you're going to put Sean, you got to put the GM as well, because, like, Keon Coleman, that's. That's blood on his hands. I mean, it's just one of those situations where you kind of hit the nuke button. Is it something that if you're the ownership, you kind of hesitate to do because you know you got Josh Allen, or does that actually put more pressure on you to, we got to go all in because we have Josh Allen. Who are your options? Right? A couple years ago, you could have hired Jim Harbaugh. Well, you're looking around. Last year you could have hired Mike Vrabel. You're looking around like, what are you doing? Like, who's even available? Clint Kubiak, Robert Sala? Like, you're not going to fire Sean McDermott for Robert Sala. So that, that has to factor into this. But does feel like they could free fall a little bit because they are a. They are a flawed team with a fantastic quarterback who, I don't want to say circling the drain, but relative to the standard in which they are viewing themselves as a 12 to 14 win team competing for Super Bowls, they feel like they've taken a dramatic step back. And that pains me. I mean, Josh Allen's one of my favorite players in the league. He's one of my favorite players to watch. But hell, Will Anderson just threw his hat in the ring there as well. Like, I'm. Like, I'm a Will Anderson guy. If I was into jerseys, I'd buy a Will Anderson jersey. That was. That was sweet.
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That was. If you like football, old school football. That was fun. We don't get a lot of that anymore. That feels like a throwback to, like the 2000s or the 90s. Just one team with a couple. Just premium pass rushers that are, we're going to sack you 10 times tonight and the other times we don't sack it. We're going to drive you into the ground and there's not going to be any pansy flags for falling on you with our weight or whatever the stuff Roger Goodell and Merton Hanks and those guys the league office have made up over the last couple of years to cover their ass from lawsuits. We don't give a shit about any of that. Send the fine to Houston, we'll pay it, but we're going to pepper this guy till the. The clock literally went out during the game, but when it actually is running hits double zero. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet. We talk a lot of football here on three and out, but there's always something to bet on. The NBA, college hoops, hockey, sports are going full swing right now. When you sign up with Hard Rock Bet today, you could score 150 in bonus bets. You just have to place a five dollar wager and if it hits, you not only get your winnings, but you also get 150 in the bonus bets. Hard Rock Sportsbook app is the only legal sports book whenever you're in Florida. And it's also live in Arizona, Ohio, New Jersey, Indiana, Tennessee, Virginia, Illinois, Colorado, and coming soon for more states near you. Plus, Hard Rock Bet offers new promos every single day. So whenever you're listening, just open the app and check out what you've got on any given day of the week. Download the Hard Rock Bet app today and make your first deposit payable and bonus bets. Not a cash offer. Offered by Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida. Offered by Seminole hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. You must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee and Virginia. To play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida, call 1833 play wise in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-809 with it gambling problem. Call 1-800- Gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia.
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The NFL is not baseball or basketball. If you are the Cowboys and you're playing the Raiders on Monday Night Football, you probably touched down in Vegas about four or five. You don't eat individually. Typically you're at a hotel, not on the Strip. You have a ballroom with meeting rooms and the ballroom is essentially like your cafeteria and you have a team meal. It's not like the O lineman, the D line and they're going out in Vegas, eating at steakhouses for dinner. You eat at the hotel probably from 6:30 to 7:30. Cafeteria is open, you can come down to your room and eat whenever you want. And there was just an unlimited amount of Food and the team, the coaches, the trainers, they all eat. You don't go out and eat. So when I saw. It's like they went out to eat and then they clearly verified the story of yeah, we were out, we went to dinner, AKA after. Because usually you eat and then you'll probably have a team meeting and then maybe you'll break into individual or unit meetings like offensive defense or wide receiver meetings and then you'll just head to bed. And football players, after the meeting you'll get a thing called snack that clearly they bypass and just went to the Red Rock Casino and they had a second dinner and we're having cocktails and clearly having a good time. Which kind of reminds me, this is again the night before a game. This is type stuff that used to happen a lot. It doesn't happen as much anymore. We live in a generation of guys that like drink green juices, that brag about going to bed early. The athletes I grew up on, Michael Jordan would drink like a 12 pack at lunch three hours before a game. That's why a lot of us kind of revere the guy. It's like legendary nowadays. It's like, what can we put in the smoothie? Can I get a, can I get an immunity blast? And listen, I'm not faulting anybody. I try to stay focused on my health as well. But there's something special about Kenny Stabler going. You know what? I studied the playbook by the light of the jukebox. For those of you kids, that's something that used to play music in the 70s at the bar the night before the game. And Al Davis's teams, and most teams in the 70s and 80s were notorious for just drinking booze and smoking all the time and playing ball. Those days are clearly over. Way more money online. You don't have as much crazy going on. And that generation of player, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, hell, even the 2000s, if you would have had a team in Vegas, there would have been a lot of shenanigans going on. I thought ever since the team moved to Vegas, I said, in this modern day time, especially in the NFL, you're only there for 24 hours. No one's going to stay on the strip. Nothing even crazy is going to happen. All these guys just go to bed, play the game the next day. Not George Pickens and CD Lamb. Here's the problem though. If you're a Raider fan, they literally are admitting that they got caught staying out late boozing the night before game. They combined for 14 catches, 200 yards and two touchdowns. The Raiders wide receivers and tight ends combined for 238 yards. They outgained two guys who were hungover. Didn't even take you seriously enough as an opponent to just go to bed at a decent time. You outgained them by 38 yards as an entire team and did scored one less touchdown than them. So you talk about two guys who just said, we're living. We're gonna go booze. Hell, we might play a little craps, maybe a little blackjack. We're gonna have a good time in Vegas. We don't give a. And you know what? I can't. What I like about Jerry Jones, Where's Jerry from 70s, 80s and 90s? What's he known for? A team that literally had something called the White House, where they did crack and hookers all the time, was very normal. Again, crack that cocaine. That's what they were doing in the 90s. Jerry. You know why Jerry didn't care. The guy lead the charge was hall of Fame wide receiver teams that I grew up watching all the time. It was well known. Everyone talked about it. It was. It was funny, kind of. Not really when he was going through the trial, but other than that, like, huge part of the documentary. So I. I just appreciate that we just have a couple throwbacks. In a day and age where everyone's talking about health and wellness and going to bed on time. I don't mind an athlete every once in a while, couple hours, sleep, going for two bills and two tuggies and just going, you can't stop me. I don't give a shit whether I had seven cocktails or seven Gatorades. It doesn't matter. And for George Pickens and CD Lamb, you gained my respect. Props to you guys. What else is going on? One thing I just want to hit on is there was an article that came out on ESPN.com today about JJ McCarthy. And it's about a lot of different things, but. And he's talked about this. I saw he was. Discussed this at his press conference today, is they're trying to rewire his brain because they're rewiring his mechanics and they're trying to change his muscle memory, which is obviously very, very difficult to do in professional sports. And a couple years ago, and I said this why I didn't believe in this situation. Because anytime you get a raw player and you try to mold them while they are playing on a team with expectations to be really good, it's going to be a disaster. I saw it with Trey Lance and Kyle Shanahan. He was hoping that he would be a plug and play player. He clearly wasn't. He was going to need a lot of work, and even if he got a lot of work, there was no guarantee he was going to be good. And they pivoted immediately. They realized they just didn't have the time and they didn't have, you know, a long Runway to figure this thing out if it failed, because they were ready to win and ready to win immediately. And obviously they got bailed out because they drafted Brock Purdy in the seventh round, who became a really good player just through three touchdowns coming back from the turf toe. Aaron Rodgers famously coming out of Cal, had some weird mechanics, held the ball really high, had kind of a funky release, and for three years behind the scenes, he just worked at practice, changed his muscle memory, changed his mechanics. And then by the fourth year, when Ted Thompson shipped Brett Favre, he was able to have changed his mechanics, rewire his brain and start for the Packers. And his first year starting, pretty sure they went 6 and 10. So he got to play for a team, the expectations, lost some games, they weren't that good. And then within a couple years, he's winning MVPs and they win a Super bowl and the rest is history. But J.J. mcCarthy is not going to be given that much time. And clearly trying to rewire anyone who's ever played golf and you've tried to make a swing change, it's one thing to do it on the practice range, right? Hit some range balls, like, okay, I figure something out, and then you go to the first hole and you're playing some guy for 20, 50 bucks, and all of a sudden you pump one into the house. Why? Because you resort to muscle memory that you know, not what you've been working on, because it takes a while to. To force that into the new kind of rotation of what you're doing, and who knows if it can even stick? So JJ McCarthy, they're trying to change his mechanics on the fly, but meanwhile, he's failing every Sunday. So from a confidence standpoint, it's impossible to build any positive momentum. So this thing with JJ McCarthy, to me, it's a. It's not apples to apples, but this thing's Trey Lance 2.0. Clearly, they like him. The 49ers like Trey Lancelot as a guy. They wanted it to work. And the 49ers gave up way more for Trey Lance than they did for J.J. mcCarthy. But there is no way, when you have elite players at different Positions and a ready to made team in terms of guys under contract impact players that you can do this and have it be successful. It will not work. So I would expect this weekend against the packers in Lambeau. This was a situation that obviously they talked themselves into, but you can't convince me, Thanksgiving year too, that they already know that this is. This thing's over before it even started. And, you know, I don't really have a fugazi here on Fugazi Friday, but I was thinking this. We have a lot of young people that listen to show a lot of young dudes, you know, in their 20s. And obviously for most of you in your 20s, probably aren't making that much money, probably rent some little shitty apartment and just. I've been there. Most of us have. You know, in looking back when you're in it, sometimes it's not always the most fun. You don't have that much disposable income. You got 600 square feet. You don't have that much money to do fun stuff, but you don't really have responsibilities. I think sometimes, you know, Lane Kiffin's been saying this. Sometimes you're in the good old days and you don't even realize you're in the good old days. And then all of a sudden you look and you're 41 years old and you have a leak in your roof. You have a broken pipe in your driveway, just spewing water all over the place. You have a baby on the way with dealing with insurance companies, and you realize, I can't even sleep. I got so much stuff, I don't even know who to call. Like, where do I even start with this water main just going all over the cul de sac I live in. What do I do? And you can't call the landlord because you're the landlord. So you have to figure out who to call. And you have no clue. And I think sometimes younger people, it's easy to get mad, it's easy to get bitter. And I've been there. I. I've been mad and bitter. I didn't have more money in my bank account, my apartment wasn't bigger. Or that when the AC broke that I had to call my landlord and he said, a guy will be there. Can't make the day, he'll be there the first thing in the morning. And then you look back and you go, God, I wish I could just call a landlord right now to fix my problems, because I got some problems. I got. I got water coming in from the roof, coming in from the front yard. I got neighbors looking at me, side eyes, and I don't know who to call. So this is just enjoy your time being young with no responsibilities. And when shit hits the fan, you can always call someone and. And you put the responsibility on them and you just sit there, open the door when they send help, and when the bill comes, you send it to that guy because you don't have to pay it. So hopefully everyone's doing well. Put a smile on your face. And if you're a Bills fan, I feel sorry for you. I do need to tell you about my friends, my partners, the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. And do you want to go to one of these games? Monday Night Football tomorrow is in Vegas. And a huge part of building that stadium was like, we're going to get a bunch of opposing fans to fly into Vegas, spend way too much money and stay in one of these hotels, gamble and come to the games. So if you want to go to a game, even a road game, you can find NFL tickets as low as $100. You can find flash deals, you can search by arena, you can search by the team. Obviously, any other sport, any concert, any event you want to go to, they have you covered. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use the code JOHN for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem the code John for $20 off. Download the game Time app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed.
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I'm Robert Smith and this is Jacob Goldstein. And we used to host a show called Planet Money.
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And now we're back making this new podcast called Business History about the best ideas and people and businesses in history and some of the worst people, horrible ideas and destructive companies in the history of business. Having a genius idea without a need for it is nothing. It's like not having it at all. It's a very simple, elegant lesson.
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Make something people want.
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First episode, how Southwest Airlines use cheap seats and free whiskey to fight its.
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Way into the airline business. The most Texas story ever. There's a lot of mavericks in that story. We're gonna have mavericks on the show.
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We have plenty of robber barons. So many robber barons.
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And you know what?
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They're not all bad.
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And we'll talk about some of the.
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Classic great moments of famous business geniuses, along with some of the darker moments that often get overlooked, like Thomas Edison.
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And the electric chair.
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Listen to business history on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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What do you get when you mix 1950s Hollywood, a Cuban musician with a dream, and one of the most iconic sitcoms of all time? You get Desi Arness, a trailblazer, a businessman, a husband, and maybe most importantly, the first Latino to break primetime wide open. I'm Willmer Valderrama, and yes, I grew up watching him, probably just like you and millions of others. But for me, I saw myself in his story.
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From cleaning canary cages to this night.
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Here in New York, it's a long ways. On the podcast, starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama, I'll take you on a journey to Desi's life, the moments it has overlapped with mine. How he redefined American television and what that meant for all of us watching from the sidelines, waiting for a face like ours on screen. This is the story of how one man spotlight led the path for so many others and how we carry his legacy today. Listen to Starring Desi Arnaz and Wilmer Valderrama as part of the My Cultura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there. Dr. Jesse Mills here. I'm the director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health, and I want to tell you about my new podcast called the Mailroom.
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And I'm Jordan, the show's producer. And like a lot of guys, I haven't been to the doctor in many years. I'll be asking the questions we probably should be asking but aren't because guys.
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Usually don't go to the doctor unless.
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A piece of their face is hanging.
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Off or they've broken a bone.
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Depends which bone.
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Well, that's true. Every week we're breaking down the unique world of men's health, from testosterone and fitness to diets and fertility and things that happen in the bedroom. You mean sleep? Yeah, something like that. Jordan, we'll talk science without the jargon and get you real answers to the stuff you actually wonder about.
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It's going to be fun, whether you're 27, 97, or somewhere in between.
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Men's Health is about more than six packs and supplements. It's about energy, confidence and connection. We don't just want you to live longer, we want you to live better. So check out the mailroom on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you.
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Get your favorite shows.
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What up, y'?
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All?
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It's your boy Kev onstage. I wanna tell you about my new podcast called Not My best moment, where I talk to artists, athletes, entertainers, creators, friends, people I admire who had massive success about their massive failures. What did they mess up on? What is their heartbreak, and what did they learn from it? I got judged horribly. The judges were like, you're trash.
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I don't know how you got on the show.
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Boo. Somebody had tomatoes.
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I'm kidding.
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But if they had tomatoes, they would have thrown the tomatoes.
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Let's be honest. We all had those moments we'd rather forget. We bumped our head, we made a.
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Mistake, the deal fell through, we're embarrassed, we failed. But this podcast is about that and how we made it through. So when they sat me down, they were kind of like. We got into the small talk and they were just like, so, what do you got? What ideas? And I was like, oh, no. What? Check out not my best moment with me, Kev on Stage on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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What do you think makes the perfect snack?
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Hmm. It's gotta be when I'm really craving.
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It and it's convenient.
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Could you be more specific? When it's cray venient.
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Okay. Like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter, available right down the street at am, pm. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at am, pm.
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I'm seeing a pattern here.
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Well, yeah, we're talking about what I crave, which is anything from am, pm. What more could you want? Stop by am, pm where the snacks and drinks are pretty perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravinience. Am, pm. Too much. Good stuff. Okay, back at it again with my main man from the Action Network. All of our lines are presented by our friends and our partners at Hard Rock, Bet Stucky. The slate. I wouldn't call it the greatest slate in the world. We got a couple good games. I had a rough. I've had a rough year, but how are you doing, bro? Good.
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Going through the grind. College basketball. Now back in the heart of college football and NFL. I can't believe it's week 13 of college football. Week 12 of the NFL. It always goes by so fast, but, yeah, no sleep, just grinding. But I always tell myself it's a labor of love. I always say that. I. I do love going through the grind, but when. Whenever I get tired, I'm like, just thinking, in June, when you're dying for football, have some gratitude. So, yeah, just continuing on, trying to find winners. That's what it's all about.
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I I got my fix in. I was watching. I, I needed a little sports hit on a Wednesday, Wednesday night I was watching Arizona, Yukon, Dan. Dan was in rare form. I mean he, he was, he was on tilt. They lost. But you know, college. The good thing about nil, I feel like it's, it's revamped college basketball. Like college football's been rolling now for a while. It just feels like. And I think Alabama, Illinois came on right after these games just feel big. I mean these universities, I mean it's become pro sports light. Right?
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Yeah, I like, I like these early season games where they're on campus in particular.
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Yeah, I agree.
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It's, it's just such a better feel for college basketball. But yeah, Arizona picked up a huge win. They've been super impressive. They won like they've won in a multitude of ways against really good teams so far this year. Like they've won in a shootout. They want to grind reverse UCLA and they've been really impressive. Bradley's been really good closing out games. They have the stud freshman Pete. So it's, they look, they look really good. And it's kind of like college football that I don't think that there's going to be one dominant team and there's like amongst the top of the, of all of college basketball, there's going to be like a lot of parity where you're going to have a lot of teams and that makes the tournament more interesting. It's kind of like that in college football. Although maybe Ohio State is that team again this year. But you now have just like your, you know, your second best team through your 10th, 12th. There's not that much separation and it's going to make for a more interesting playoff. Although we don't need to expand anymore. I'm seeing the Big Ten now proposing like 24 teams. We don't need to go to 24. And we like.
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Well if it was 24, Texas would be like in the driver's seat is like the 14 seed. It's like I watch them play. They're not. What are we doing? 12, 12's off is fine and it's, it's. They need to tweak it to. I guess they don't want to get sued. But the non Power 5 team or Power 4 team on a given year like Boise last year, around the table, I got no problem over the course. TCU back in the day, the Utahs before, you know, those teams jumped up. They had individual seasons but if there's not an individual season that's worthy. You don't just get a seat at the table. That's, you know, that's the thing with the NFL. Like, that's the one thing with college. You're in your way, but it's still kind of subjective. Like in the NFL, it's pretty black and white, right? Which to get the seven seed, like you might have, you're gonna have to hit some certain tiebreakers or, or whatever. But there's no subjectivity to the 14 teams that make it in the NFL, which in college. Clearly that there's a lot. I mean, hell, Notre Dame and Miami is going to be a major story over the next couple of weeks.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, maybe if he didn't like.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's, it's tough to just completely worrying about lawsuits and excluding half of college football. But I think eventually one day we're gonna have just like fbs, FBS Light, which is like power four. And maybe there's like mega conferences. I don't even know how it's gonna go, but maybe you just had like the four top conference championship because there's, there's an argument. There's a chance that the, like, if Duke ended up winning the acc, they might not have gotten in with four losses. Like, you could have had two group of five teams get in over the ACC champ. So, yeah, the ACC's really down this year overall. Like, we're most likely going to get Georgia Tech, who could have lost Awake Forest. They could have lost the Boston College, Virginia. Virginia should have like four or five losses this year. Like, that's the most likely accident. Championship game. So they're way down. The Big 12 is basically just Texas Tech. Utah's playing really well, but their path to get there is very difficult.
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So Utah would be a worthy playoff team right now. I just don't know if they're going to get in. But they need.
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Why you. To lose the Cincy and they need like Arizona State to lose the Colorado. Like Arizona. BYU loses the cincy. They're a 2 1/2 point favorite on the road. They very well could lose. Arizona State could be the team that gets back to the Big 12 championship, but they don't have their, their quarterback.
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So I do think their coach. I mean, over the next 10 days, I don't think it's inconceivable that Kenny Dillingham's like the coach at lsu.
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Yeah, I'm interested to see what he takes because he's like all in on his. His university and. But money Always talks. So it would be a big loss for, for the Sun Devils because he's doing a great job there. But yeah, if you're. The other game. The biggest swing game of the weekend is usc. Oregon, like the loser of that is out. The winner of that is in really good spot to make the College Football Playoff. And if, I mean, if Oregon, say Oregon wins this week and then loses next week at Washington, which is certainly possible. Washington has some offensive line injuries. Two of their best players, Boston and their Boston NFL wide receiver and Coleman NFL future running back. I think they'll both be back, but they have some injuries worth watching. But say Oregon beats USC and then loses to at Washington next week. I mean, the Big Ten only gets two in. And then you have one from the Big 12, one from the accident, one group of five. I mean, you're talking maybe six, seven SEC teams, depending on what happens with some of them.
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Don't you think it'd be. I mean, let's. I, I think Oregon is going to house usc. I mean, this is a bad.
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You know, this is USC on the road just never. They just can't travel for some reason.
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And honestly, even last week, they're 2110. It's in the rain. If you would have turned that off and you said, hey, you have to bet $10,000 right now who wins this game, you wouldn't be able to find a soul alive that would have put money on USC in that moment. It had it paralleled the feeling of that Nebraska game. Obviously the difference. Nebraska's quarterback out here. I was just Iowa, but I just think that I would be stunned. And I'm not trying to overreact to the Minnesota game, but it does feel like Oregon's kind of figuring themselves out. Their backup tight end is a monster. Some transfer portal guy. Obviously they're starting tight ends and stud. They just feel like this thing has got blowout now their rival is Washington. So you just never know in these games. I mean, look at Michigan last year against Ohio State. I would be a little stunned if they have a really good performance this week if they lost to Washington, wouldn't you?
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It depends on how healthy Washington is. But when Washington's fully healthy, like the, the. The problem is Washington this year has rarely been fully healthy. And like, for example, they have a, a left tackle, Carver Willis, who's really good. This freshman guard who they had to move to right tackle. He's going to be their future left tackle. Mills, he's really good. Their tackle that he had to replace a Party. He's pretty good. Their center Hatchet's pretty good. But a team like Washington, the biggest difference between them and in Oregon, in Ohio State, it's Washington has no depth. So like they're especially on the offensive line like their backup left tackle who's out of play. I think three or four games this year because Washington had offensive line injuries in that Ohio State game and then they, their offense just crumbled and Ohio State is the best defense in the country. If Washington's fully healthy.
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They are.
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And at home they are a different animal. And I mean look this Oregon team, they did lose at home to Indiana. They could have lost that Iowa. It's, you know, it wasn't, they weren't that impressive at home against Wisconsin. When they play a cupcake, they, they're like the best team in the country. They can put it on you and out athlete you. But I'm still not all the way sold on more. So we'll see. I can see Washington winning that game, but they have to be healthy. They can't go into that game with injuries because they just. That's the biggest difference between Washington and some of these other up and the upper tier teams in the Big Ten. They obviously don't have as much talent, but like you're talking Williams is one of the most talented quarterbacks in the country. They have an NFL, you know, a top five back in the country, a top five receiver in the country. Good play caller. And their offensive line has talent if it's healthy. But the depth beyond that is, it's. Washington is yet to build out their depth. So I could see. The thing is, USC and Miami in particular has been bad on the road. USC under Riley forever has not been able to travel. Now it's worse when they have to go multiple time zones. But when you mentioned that Nebraska game, I mean if Marl doesn't get hurt, they lose that game and they just, they just haven't traveled well and they can't defend the run. They're a little soft and finesse.
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Yeah.
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So I'm sure that's what Oregon's going to lean on here. And I'm not sure that us, USC has any answers now. Could they pull off the upset? Sure. Because they do have arguably the best wide receiver duo outside of Ohio State in the entire country in Lemon and Lane. Miami's gonna, mia's gonna have to be good though. Like I said, he struggled on the road because they're, they're gonna have to put up points to win this game because it's hard to see them keeping Oregon in check. And Oregon should be able to control the clock. They're at home. So I think Oregon is much more at risk of losing next week than.
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This dive into some NFL games. The Chicago Bears and the Pittsburgh Steelers are currently both in first place. Neither of them is favored to win the division. I think as we sit here today, are we on the same page that Aaron Rodgers won't play this week or do you expect to see him?
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I think no, but you never know with Rogers. Like I don't try to predict ever what, what.
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Roger, it's clearly not a catastrophic injury. It's one of those that's just kind of like it's not. It's not concrete. No. Beside people inside Pittsburgh and with Aaron, it's not. He didn't break his wrist, but it's not nothing. It's one of those. If it is just a little bone tweak. Is it something. If he falls on. Does it get worse? Use your left hand obviously to brace for impact when you're sliding, when you're getting tackled. So it's. It's not one of those. Well, it's no big deal. It's his non throwing hand. It is kind of a big deal, right. If it is painful and it's one of those but also like is it going to get better? Is it one of those where he has to miss a month? I do think if Mason Rudolph comes in, obviously the Bears just on a down to down basis aren't a very good defense, but they. I was looking the other day because I was looking at something on Miles Garrett and then right below it was like the interception leaders and The Bears have three of the top like four guys that account for 13 interceptions. So. So it's like is if you play somehow they just get a lot of picks. Now granted JJ McCarthy was just throwing it right to the guys, but I don't know. I mean this is. You tell me Mason Rudolph's playing in this game. I think I'm hammering the Bears. Yeah.
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At three. I wouldn't mind the Steelers. I mean, I don't think there's a huge drop off right now between Rogers and Rudolph. But I think the Steelers are a good teaser option if you want to tease them off. I mean the Bears have been very, very fortunate because of the turnovers. I mean if you remove turnovers and look at their epa, they're one of the worst defenses in the league. I mean they have a plus 16 turnover margin that leads the league the next best is plus 10. They have a league high 15 interceptions. They've fumbled it nine times. They've only lost two. Their opponents have fumbled it 10 times. They've recovered seven of them. So the turnovers and takeaways are masking their defensive issues. They can't cover heavy personnel and that's what the Steelers are, multiple tight ends. The Bears are giving up 6.2 yards per play against 12 personnel. They struggle to defend the run. They struggle to get pressure. So I think the Steelers will be able to move the ball now on the other side. The Bears, like look, they're. These two teams are kind of mirrors, right? Like they have good records in first place. The Steelers always benefit from turnover lock and they're like you mentioned, neither are favored to win the division if there's going to be some turnover luck that's coming. The Bears have benefited from turn of luck on offense too. Like they haven't turned it over. The Steelers are the team to exploit that and the Steelers generally don't turn the ball over. So maybe this is the game where that happens because you, I mean you have to remember The Bears are 5, 0 and 1 possession games. They all came in the final minute against the Raiders, the commanders, the Vikings, the Bengals and the Giants. We're not talking the cream of the crop here. I mean it's like it's pretty troubling that McCarthy was that bad last week. I mean in this guy, he has all kinds, I mean there was wide open guys over. He has major mechanical issues right now. He can't throw the left side of the field. He's locking in his hip and he's, it's all arm and he can't get the ball there. I mean he has a 55% on target throw rate to the left side of the field. The next worst among all quarterbacks is 70%.
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A
When you say on target, you're not saying completion, you're just saying in the vicinity of the target.
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B
Like where's it? Was it a catchable ball for the receiver and he's at 55. The next horse is 70%. Like he's a major. And then like he doesn't. He lacks touch on these short passes. So he's got, they have a lot of work to do with him. But it's very troubling in, in that he was that bad for basically the entire game. The Bears got two interceptions. They also recovered a fumble that they had within in their own 10, inside their own 10. And the Vikings somehow had the lead with a minute to Go. And then the Bears needed a kickoff return.
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A
The Bears. If I was going to defend Caleb, the Bears drop a lot of balls. They drop a shitload of balls.
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B
Caleb's played pretty well. I mean, he does bail from the pocket to quickly at times. Like you'll just see him 180 and then make something happen.
- [66:23]
A
And he breaks out of a lot of sacks, though.
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B
Yeah, he does. He's. He's very elusive. So. But the thing that's made the. I mean, the Bears, why are they in first place? 1, because their defense has gotten lucky with turnovers and they've gotten fortunate in close games to Ben Johnson. And three, this is, you know, kind of a derivative of Ben Johnson. Their run game has been cooking and they have been. And they should be able to run on Pittsburgh now. Pittsburgh's defense been disappointing this year. They have, over the past few weeks they have started to change some things schematically on a week to week basis. Like you saw them go from heavy man to heavy zone, more two high, more cover six, like, so they're being a little bit more unpredictable, which I think is helping their cause because they have other issues elsewhere. But this will probably be a close game. It'll probably come down to turnovers and I, but I. There is something that the Bears do have late, like when they have the ball and you have Ben Johnson and then Caleb Williams can make things happen with legs. Like you feel confident with them in a close game. But yeah, this is down to two and a half now. I have nothing here, but at three I would look at the Steelers two and a half. I probably would tease the Steelers up, but probably another close game. I mean, that's all the Bears have played outside of that Dallas game. And they easily could have three or four more losses on the season. But huge game for both teams, I.
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A
Think early returns and you never know the coordinator like we knew Mike Vrabel. Maybe this year is going better than anticipated a little bit. But like he's proven he's good head coach and he was good when he had good players. I think Ben Johnson has immediately like become the Midwest. Kyle Shanahan, very serious, not a big bullshit guy and just dreams about running the ball. I mean, I see a lot of similarities, their personality and the way they view football. And I think as they get better players on defense and get healthier over the years, that style is conducive, assuming you stay healthy of like creating toughness on defense, running the ball in practice. Look at the Ravens for years. I think the Steelers in theory. Right. I think it helps create toughness in practice. So I, I, I, I've been blown away by Ben Johnson.
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B
He's. Yeah, they're way ahead of the curve from where, like, already to be in first place in that division right now.
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A
Push pressure on the floor, it's like, okay, well, this guy is no longer just a coordinator. He's the head coach now of the Bears.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And let's talk about that. It's, it's that game. Obviously, he's under some, some heat. And that Giants game was, for a minute, you're like, whoa, is this. He's going to. Because it was cold. It was weird. You could kind of feel it, like something weird going to happen. Then Jordan Love hit a couple passes and everyone could take a deep breath. But also the James experience. I do think this defense has to be just licking their lips playing this kid. I just, it might be my favorite bet of the year. Like, he's going to go into Lambeau after all this, everything going on. I read this article today on ESPN.com I mean, you had mentioned some of the metrics of how they're just, like, redoing his mechanics on the fly. It's like, I follow golf really closely. When guys redo their swing. One, they spend a lot of time on the range. And then when they go into tournaments, they're like, listen, I'm not expecting to play well.
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B
Yeah, it's going to take time.
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A
It takes, I mean, from Tiger to random pros, let alone anyone in pro sports, you mechanically change someone. Look at Aaron Rodgers. He got to do it in practice for three years before they ever threw him to the wolves. It's impossible at the highest level of sports, tennis, baseball, football, to change your mechanics in the middle of the season. No fucking way. And even McCarthy's like, you got to rewire your brain. So maybe big picture, it can change. I would bet against usually the guys, you get mentally broken, and you can see the way guys are looking at him. If he's able to do it. He is a. Alex Smith didn't redo his mechanics, but, like, mentally tough. He, like, with, like, withstood it all and then he got over the hump. But that's, he's rare. Usually it just breaks people. So it's not apples to apples, Alex Smith to McCarthy here, but Green Bay minus six and a half is my favorite bet on the board.
- [70:30]
B
Yeah, it's like, think about it. In order to become a pro athlete in any sport, it takes, whether it's a jump Shot, whether it's throwing a football, you know, a pitcher, throwing a baseball, swinging a tennis racket, a golf club, the amount of muscle memory and the amount of reps that one must go through in order to just get that down is something that I just don't have a grasp of. Like to get to that level and be like a starting pitcher in baseball or starting quarterback in the NFL and like you said, rewire your entire brain. There are so much muscle memory and just repetition there. And doing something, one way to change it is going to take time and.
- [71:23]
A
If it's even possible. Yeah, right.
- [71:25]
B
And right now it's, it's just broken. Like last week was, I was like, okay, it's only been a couple of starts. He's played some tough defenses, but that was the perfect game. Like there was, it was a defensive. Can't get pressure with a bunch of backup defensive backs indoors. And he's in a good situation. Like he has a good offensive line, a good play caller.
- [71:47]
A
He has good receivers and tight end backs and catch. I mean he's got it all.
- [71:53]
B
It's like as ideal of a situation as you would want. And you just couldn't hit wide open throws, whether it's like throwing it too hard on the short ones or just completely missing the deep ones. And I don't know how you correct that. So I'm, I'm out on McCarthy that.
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A
That out route where the Bears like it looked like, you know, one of their backups caught it. It might have been a wide receiver like well past Justin Jefferson who was running probably like a 8 yard out route was like, that wasn't even, even Tom, who was trying to be nice. Right. It's a Michigan guy was like, I, I, this is, I, I don't know where he's missing. I don't know what's going on here. What are you even going to say unless you're just going to completely shit on him.
- [72:36]
B
Yeah, it was ugly. I mean, I don't this, this day.
- [72:42]
A
Why does it, why does the coach keep calling go routes and deeper breaking routes like you? I would never call those routes for him.
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B
Yeah, it's, I'm curious to see what they try to do this week on the road in Lambeau against that defense. That's, that's going to be tough. Now the packers offense, I don't like they where this, they might really miss cr. They miss Kraft in general big time, but they might miss him more this week against the blitz. Like craft against the blitz has been so good and usually Your tight end is your safety valve, the guy you look for when you're getting blitzed. And we know that Floors is going to bring the blitz and the packers offense in general. Just there's been so many injuries at wide receiver, tight end and now, you know, Jacobs at running back. The offensive line has had injuries every week. So, like if you look metrics wise, Jordan Love is number one in the league in EPA for drop back. There's also a ton of drops. Like you would never believe that.
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A
Right.
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B
Like just watching their offense, but he's number one. EPA for drop back. But the offensive operation right now is wonky. There's something off and it's because of the injuries. No craft and shuffling wide receivers in and out, offensive linemen and out. As a result, the packers are struggling to like put it all together on offense. And as a result they can't really build margin on teams like for example, the pants. Like they lost to the Panthers at home when Bryce Young threw for 100 yards.
- [74:11]
A
They're the spider man meme with the Eagles.
- [74:14]
B
Yes.
- [74:14]
A
I mean they kind of feel the same.
- [74:16]
B
The packers didn't punt against the Panthers. The panthers threw for 100 yards and won. The Giants, they like. And you watch that game like there were so many drops. They drop a lot of balls, so that would be my only fear.
- [74:31]
A
80 87's got some. I mean it's in his head. It feels like a little bit. He has some that are like hitting him in stride. I. I thought he was a stud based on last year and this year. You watch him, you go, something's off.
- [74:41]
B
Yeah, he's had a couple bad ones last week, Dobbs.
- [74:44]
A
But yeah, I mean, I couldn't Watt. Christian Watson's infused a little life, I feel like into their operation.
- [74:52]
B
Yes, he had a huge. That touchdown catch was legit sick.
- [74:56]
A
That looks like Devonte and Rogers. Yeah.
- [74:58]
B
They should get Reed back, which will help I think for the Thanksgiving game against the Lions. And they're just still trying to figure out life after Kraft. So that would be my only concern. But I certainly couldn't look at the Vikings here. The other thing is that is worth mentioning because you're laying six and a half are the packers. Can they make an extra point or. I get it. There's wind a lot of win last week in that life. But their kicking has been a disaster. I mean no matter who they have in there all year. So that's at least worth noting. But right now can't trust McCarthy. So it's packers or nothing.
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A
Someone Sent me this stat that over from 18 to 22 Mahomes on 20 plus yard passes through like 52 touchdowns and he almost averaged 16 yards of pass. And over the last several years it's down under 10 and it's like five total touchdowns. And he clearly his deep ball accuracy the last couple years, even when guys have been healthy, has just been a little off. Now part of that is his rapport with Tyreek who in the, in his prime is, I mean truly one of the great talents we've ever seen. So you remove like Tyreek, Randy Moss, whoever, Terrell Owens, there's a drop off but like I, I do think there is some like Patrick's just not quite as dominant as he was during that stretch and there are plays to be made. He still makes plays. I, I defend him like even when his numbers aren't great, like you can watch me like he plays, he's still making some plays. But in that Denver game and just I would say of the totality of the last couple years, they masked it last year and definitely two years ago when they won 11 games, remember he had that stretch where he was throwing like a pick a game. It was like seven straight games and then it was all came to the, came to a head on that Christmas Day game. It was like God. But what happened? Playoffs start, boom, the dust settles, they're in the Super Bowl. So it's like what do you even say? But like over the last several years, Lamar, obviously this year is weird, but Josh and Lamar have been better players in the regular season. But he goes, well fuck, I got you in January. And at the end of the day that matters more. Josh and Lamar would gladly trade anything in the regular season for what he's had in the playoffs, right? And especially in the AFC to get to the Super Bowl. But I, I, I do think this is a big, because it's weird. Like The Chiefs are 5 and 5. They don't feel like a normal 5 and 5 team. They, I, I still think they're pretty good, but something is missing. This is a big spot at home. This, I mean I, I, there's a lot of kitchen sink games. I think they threw the kitchen sink last game. Denver's good. I mean that defense is pretty elite. But I, I, Daniel Jones going to go into Kansas City with kind of their season on the line because all of a sudden if the Jags win, like you're going to find yourself so far back you might be screwed. Yeah, it's, I, I guess that's, I like The Chiefs, I think they win by touchdown to.
- [77:57]
B
I mean, yeah, Lamar has nothing to show for. He's been. I mean, he could have three MVPs over the past two seasons, has 57 touchdowns and seven interceptions. He had two last week. They were both off the receiver's hands, one off the helmet, one caught him right in the hand. Three of his other interceptions, one a Steelers guy ripped it out of the hands of the Raven. Another one went right off the chest. He basically has two interceptions and 57 touchdowns over the past two years, which is ridiculous.
- [78:29]
A
I mean, Josh's game on Sunday too was like, Jesus, like what? Yeah, this guy's. I mean.
- [78:34]
B
Nothing to show for it. So yeah, at the end of the day, that's all anyone's gonna remember is the playoffs. But yeah, that offense hasn't been the same, especially with the deep passing. I look, there's, there's a couple things at player. I mean, the Colts are coming off of a buy, but Daniel Jones has kind of turned back in to his true self, his true pumpkin self. I mean, over the first eight weeks of the season, he had three interceptions, he was sacked nine times and he only had two fumbles. So weeks one through eight, eight games, only three picks, only nine sacks, two fumbles. Last two games, four picks, 12 sacks, six fumbles. So the pressure is getting to him. He's kind of panicking. You know, teams have film now on what this offense is doing. Now the wild card is what can Jonathan Taylor. He could carry them to a win just like he did against Atlanta. Chiefs run defense a little vulnerable. It's not as vulnerable as Atlanta's run defense, especially without Diablo. But I'm sure they're going to try to lean on Taylor here. But I would agree with you, especially at three, even at a juice three, I. I would look at the cheese I spags throwing everything he has here. Daniel Jones will probably make some mistakes. Sauce Gardner does change the equation a bit, right? He's come now he has a buy to get assimilated with that defense they were playing man more in overseas even with Gardner only a couple days prepare. And that's how you want to play the Chiefs. You want to play more man. Not zone, but Kansas City still. I mean Indianapolis are still missing Buckner. They don't get elite pressure. So I would imagine Mahomes and company will be able to move the ball. A crazy stat since 1990, this will be the fifth, only the 15th time in week 11 or later that we've had a team that's five and five or worse. So week 11 or later a team that's under five 500 or worse favored over a team with a winning percentage of at least 80%. It's only happened 14 previous times. All 14 teams won and they went 12, 0 and 2 against the spread.
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A
The five and five teams all won.
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B
You're saying all one and they went 12, 0 and two against the spread. So only two push the other 12 covered. So at three. Yeah, I think, I think the Chiefs are the move.
- [80:54]
A
If we did a deep dive on that. Do you think there were some injuries involved in some of those with quarterbacks?
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B
Yeah. And there's also like sometimes when you just have like this is, this is the case with this game. Like the Colts have been really good but they've, you know, they've played a weak schedule.
- [81:12]
A
No one views them like the Ravens or the Bills of previous years.
- [81:14]
B
And then you had a Chiefs team is 0 and 5 and 1 score games and they're still power rated as one of the some powered. He's the best team in the NFL still. So every year you're going to have a couple teams that are like there's been a couple Steelers teams. I think maybe the COVID year the Steelers started like 10 and 1 and they were like. They weren't even that. It was like the end of Roethlisberger's career and they were just winning every game by like one on voodoo. So like you'll ask when Baker got.
- [81:43]
A
Him in the playoffs, right?
- [81:44]
B
Yeah, you'll have a couple teams every year that it's just they're playing way above their, their record and you have a couple things that are unlucky and then when they meet sometimes that's when you'll get these teams that are favored. So just it doesn't mean that Chiefs are a lock but just an interesting nugget. So at three. Yeah, I would look at the cheese. I think the dope fluster Jones and Mahomes will do enough at home. And this is as you mentioned, it's a massive game. Like Chiefs lose this Chiefs right now you can kiss the division goodbye. Like they're basically four and a half back because they're four back and they lost to the Broncos. Now they get the Broncos at home. So whatever you could, you could say that they're four back but it's week 12 so you can kiss the division goodbye wild card. I mean you're. They're basically two back because two plus back because the Jags have beat them head to head. The Chargers Beat them head to head and now this. Like the Chargers still theoretically could win the division. You lose this and you don't have the head to head against the Colts too. And then you're five and six. Like I think this is make or break. I think if Kansas City wins this game, they'll probably find a way to sneak in. If they lose this game, I think they're, they're out and they're not making the playoffs. Massive swing game for this whole season.
- [83:03]
A
You should go to, we both should go to like Denver and just go to bars and tell people in our power rankings we got the chief number one still in the league.
- [83:10]
B
People lose their minds.
- [83:13]
A
I think my favorite, one of my favorite games on the board might be the Saints coming off a buy minus one and a half against the Falcons. I mean you talk about a franchise, it's sad. You know, Seattle Niner fans are looking. You're like, wait, the Rams have the eighth pick in the draft right now and this could get uglier for Atlanta. London's hurt, obviously. Panics is out. Mean the corpse of Cousins. Who's the going to be? I bet a $27.5 million backup. Like truly, just like the offseason, this guy's going to be our backup. That record is going to stand for a while. Like the captain, we got a long way to go before we and I'm not talking like $14 million Daniel Jones, he ends up. I'm talking like this guy is going to be our backup all off season. The way they had said it, I don't think we see that for a long, long time. And I think the Falcons, man, this thing, I don't even think it's got as ugly as it's going to get. And I actually listen, I, Tyler Shuck. I got a text from a buddy that works for the Saints. He's like, hey, did you see what he did? I was like, I'm not watching you guys. So I went back and watched him. I was like, God, this guy's slinging it. I, I, I can see this thing getting ugly for Atlanta.
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B
Yeah, well, by the way, I'll give you one that's going to be worse. That'll never be broken next year. 2026 season. Deshaun Watson's cap hit for the Browns is $82 million. That's ridiculous. He's like their fourth string quarterback right now.
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A
You think when they signed that contract they were like, well he's going to be so good, we'll just renegotiate and get that thing like kind of like the Dak Prescott type thing. But it's so ugly they'll probably end up cutting him and just accelerate. That number could actually get bigger.
- [84:53]
B
Yeah, his base salary next year is 46 million and then he has prorated bonuses that all get paid out. So it's probably.
- [84:58]
A
What if he's just our starting quarterback next year? I just said it. Maybe, probably not.
- [85:04]
B
He might be watched. I, I, I, from what I saw and all these injuries and man it's, it's crazy. But yeah, I love the Saints this week. This is number one the spot as you mentioned, Saints coming off a buy which I think is more beneficial in their case because you have a new quarterback. Right. A rookie quarterback gets to work with the offense, build timing. And then you have the Falcons who earn a dream crusher spot. They're coming off two games that essentially ended their season. Both losses came in overtime, one overseas, one at home. Dropped a three and seven in the nfc you're done. And their defense is on the field for a million plays in both games. You saw them wear down at the end of the Panthers game. Well now back to back overtime games going on the road three and seven, do they show up more importantly and so what are they going to try to do? They're going to, I mean that's the corpse as you mentioned, the corpse of cousins. Cousins is 42nd out of 44 quarterbacks. An EPA plus completion percentage over expectation. The only quarterbacks that are worse this year are McCarthy and Gabriel. There's. He's only one of four that, that is negative in that stat. The only other negative one is Cam Ward and he got to play. We already saw the Falcons play with Cousins and no Drake London. It was against the Dolphins at home and they lost that 357 or something. They got blown out. We've already seen this. Their offensive line isn't fully healthy. So what are they going to try to do? They're going to try to run it. Well, the Saints run D is pretty good. They're seventh in rush EPA, 10th in rush success rate. So I don't know how the Falcons move the ball here. Drake London is so important. Like he might be the most valuable wide receiver in the NFL because number one he's really good. Number two the drop off to who else they have is massive. And if you look at their numbers like his on off splits, they average 5.7 yards per play with him, 4.4 without him. How about the run game? 4.7 with him on the field. 3.5 without him because without London you can just load the box, worry about Bijan. That's what the, that's what the Dolphins did. I mean it his without him on the field, their EPA per play is essentially equal to the Browns offense. The only team worse, the only offense it's worse is the Titans.
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A
That's crazy.
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B
So there are other receivers over the past four games, whether it's Cousins or Panics, there are other receivers not named. Drake, London have been targeted 38 times. They have 13 catches. It's a, it's a mess and it's a horrible spot. So yeah, I like the Saints here. Shuck did look good. He's pushing the ball down the field. If Saints are pretty much fully healthy at home off a buy I I love the Saints here.
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A
You know what's funny is I saw this thing on Instagram that these Falcons fans aren't happy and they were going on this rant that after Kyle Pitts it was like one of the great eight or nine player stretches in like draft history. It's like Jamar Chase, Panay Sewell, right? Patrick Certain, Devonte Smith, Micah Parsons, J.C. horn. I'm not going in exact order. Even Jalen Waddle like he's way better than Kyle Pitts. Basically their point was you could have closed your eyes, taken the group of players, thrown a dart and it would have been impossible to screw up. Yet the Falcons big picture screwed it up and they got the player that none of those other teams would trade their guy for. Most of them would laugh. I mean, there are multiple hall of Famers in the group. I mean, honestly, Jamar Chase, Panay Sewell, Micah Parsons. I mean devonte is going to have a long career with a lot of numbers right?
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B
You know it's bad when the Bengals get it right and you don't in the draft. And yeah, this is if it feels like the Falcons are never going to get it right and they're never going to recover from 28.
- [88:51]
A
3 Another thing I yeah, it kind of broke their franchise. The other thing I saw on Instagram, which I kind of hope it was true, that like CD Lam and George Pickens were out gambling and boozing and were like puking. But again, I mean, it's Instagram. I want that to be true because I feel like Al Davis, like back in the 70s, like that was his team. Like Kenny, Kenny, not Kenny Powers, but Kenny Stabler used to say, like I'd read the the playbook by the light of the jukebox. But they won and Al didn't give a shit. John Madden, you do whatever you want. That play when George Pickens scored on Monday night, it was like the Raiders do a little 1, 2, 3. We quit. Because that was. Whoa now. Different animal. Fangio, it's crazy, you know, this is why Howie's so good. Like they're the defending champs. They were winning games, but it didn't quite look right. And he was just aggressive, aggressive. Most of these other teams, like I had Lions fans in my DMs, like, Bro, we're always talking about the next five years. Like, live in the freaking moment. Why aren't we going if how he's going after. Why aren't we going after these players? He has way more hardware than we have recently. It's like, well, that's just the way he thinks, man. He's just. And that's their owner. Like, we'll pay this guy. And it's also like Jalen Phillips, we'll give you an eight or nine game tryout. If you're good, we got. We'll extend you. You know, that's what they're doing. They're getting an early. A third round. They're worth paying the premium. If he's good, we have free access to him and we'll give him a contract extension. That's why they do it. And this defense looks fantastic. So I think that this is the classic. Like everyone's going to be like, oh, Dallas is, I think the Eagles defense, I mean they're a defensive team. And Fangio, that over the last couple of weeks, team speed. Jalen Phillips is, it feels like has even risen. The two defensive tackles look a lot better. Obviously their linebacker plays fantastic. Just their unit at from. When you get a good pass rush, you can make random DBs look pretty good. Most people don't have like multiple good corners. That's not the way it works. I mean, look at the Rams. Like the Rams, it's the defensive line that changes the game. So I kind of like the Eagles in this spot where I feel like a lot of people are going to lean on Dallas just because it was recency bias.
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B
Yeah, I mean I did. I played the Cowboys plus three and a half. It's come down to three. If you can get three and a half. I still like the Cowboys at three. I do not. And mainly it's the main reason is number one, I do think the Cowboys defense will be better after their additions against the run.
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A
Right.
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B
I mean, you add Williams to that defensive line, you get your, you know, you add Wilson over shown back their front now which can generate pressure is going to be better against the run and then on the back end all they do it's not going to be good but they played ton of zone and that's what we want to do against the Eagles. The Eagles that's Jalen hurts his numbers versus man or here versus zone. They're here and it's Eber flutes you're going to play a ton of zone and we have seen that the evil's offense is still broken like there's they came out of the buy they now the packers defense is really good. The Lions defense is okay and there was wind in conditions but the Lions with pumpkin outdoor Jared Goff I mean Jared Goff if you see him with a glove on he's the he's basically JJ McCarthy he went 2 of 8, 2 of 18 at one point he I I mean he was what was he 14 of 37. The Lions went 05 on fourth down. The NFL record is zero of six that the Lions set against the Patriots Goth outdoors shocker against Bailey zappy in the game that I think the lines lost 28 nothing a few years ago and if they had a chance if there wasn't the phantom PI that we got the ball back tie with a chance to tie it now they probably wouldn't have went down the field but.
- [92:26]
A
That just shows you no chance with golf unless they ran some crazy understanding.
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B
That's how limited this Eagles offense is. They and now you just know Lane Johnson and like they've been doing Jurgens.
- [92:36]
A
Concussed right he's out so their backup.
- [92:38]
B
So like the offensive line's not the same which is hurting Barkley and they they're just not getting margin on teams. They're relying on their defense and I agree that their defense is only getting better and they're often Would you put.
- [92:51]
A
Them in like the Denver Houston category based on the last couple weeks now they had Jalen Phillips.
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B
Yeah they're up there. I mean I still have Houston 1, Denver 2 with certain but the Eagles are right there. They're I mean Fangio out of the buy. They these defenses usually trend up but like Phillips they you know they got a couple other guys back healthy. They're and then you have those those Georgia guys in the middle. Their defense is only going to get better and yeah Phillips looks incredible. It was a great addition by Howie. But the offense is not getting any better. I mean the office is getting worse. I mean they've had like two of their worst offensive Games from an EPA perspective over the past three years, in the past two weeks. And like they just can't build margin. Right? They had eight wins on the year, seven have come by one possession. So like their teams are in it against them. And I think that the Dallas defense, because they play a ton of zone, because they're better up front, I think that they can, I mean everyone's getting stops against the Eagles. So the only team that has it is when like the Giants were down to all their backups and the Giants cannot stop the run to save their life. So Barkley was able to go off. And then on the other side, yes, the Eagles D is trending up, but I still trust the Cowboys to put up some points at home. Dax playing at an MVP level, that offense is very tough to contain. And Dak is Dax for whatever reason dominates the NFC east against the spread. He's 3113 against the spread against the MCs covering by about a touchdown per game over 70%. I know Dallas on a short week, but that was an easy win. And the Eagles, this is their third game in 13 days after two hard fought games. So what do I think the most likely outcome here is? Is Eagles win by three. And like the other thing is once the Eagles get a lead they at the end of the game they could go on like a seven minute drive and then just kill the clock. But I think Dallas keeps it close and is feisty here against an Eagles offense that's just incapable of building margin. And now you're without maybe the most valuable right tackle in the league, your center. And that's contributing to some of the issues that the Eagles are having. And you did mention the Raiders and do they have quit? Maybe. But I, I bet the minus three and a half.
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A
I kind of like them too.
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B
Shador is not ready to be an NFL quarterback right now. Not nowhere close.
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A
What would be a third day. But if you just go third day, rookie quarterback, first start mid season on the road, I mean the stats would be on your side to take the Raiders, right?
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B
Yes. And I, but I think like from.
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A
Everything I've heard the Browns offensive line is terrible too. I mean Crosby is still playing his ass off. I, I could see Crosby having a massive day.
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B
He could have like five sacks this game. Yeah, I mean I, I believe, yeah. Dating back to 1999, the Browns have had 17 quarterbacks make their first career start. They're owing 17 and it was games.
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A
But I feel, I mean that sucks they like football so much and just gotta. It's like the Raiders fans, like these people love football, which I love people that love football. And it's just after there's a certain point of like every team has a shitty couple years, like the Patriots, but just like it never ends. It never ends. If you're a Browns fan or a Raider fan, it just feels like in perpetuity we're going to suck.
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B
And then you got to watch the Ravens be good. The team that left Cleveland, they've won a couple Super Bowls. So yeah, I have a ton of friends in Cleveland, even though I'm a Ravens fan. And it's. They call it the factory of sadness. I go up there for one game a year every year. I feel, I feel for Brown.
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A
Well, if you're a Raider fan, it's like we, you know, we're all moving us in, the Chargers, we might share a building. Then like several years later we get Gruden, they get shitty coaches and blows up in our face. Couple years later, they get Jim Harbaugh. It's like they're just going to be good. The Broncos get Sean Payton. The Chiefs were already down. It's like, what is. We are so screwed. We got 75 year old Pete Carroll. We got Chip Kelly who is just running a great scam right now. I mean cash and dem. Tom Brady private equity money. It's like, this sucks. I mean this sucks.
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B
Miserable.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And there was some like optimism going into the year and I kind of believed it.
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A
I thought they would be a little feisty.
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B
Yeah. I mean it's. Chip Kelly's been a disaster. Carol's not been good. The offensive line is in shambles. It's. I mean you lost Colt Miller as one of the most underrated left tackles and he lost Powers. Johnson is probably their best interior lineman and it's falling to pieces. That's my one concern here. I mean this total is down to 35 and a half. It's indoors you. I think there's been two totals that have been 35, 35 and a half over the past 30 years. That. That is low. I could see the under but I'm afraid of short fields like so I'm afraid like Niles Garrett and company could just wreck havoc on Gino. But what this comes down to, to me, and keep in mind I mentioned this last week, the Browns defense is not the same on the road at home. I almost always bet them they covered again last week over the past three seasons, the most profitable home team against the spread. It's not the Lions and Degenerate Dan Campbell. It's the Browns. We're 63 against the spread. The least profitable team on the road over the past three years is the Browns. They're 5 and 17 against the spread 22.7. They're failing to cover by about a touchdown per game.
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Why?
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Because their defense isn't the same. They're often stinks everywhere. Now they have tackle injuries so. But the main point here is I don't think Shador Sanders is ready to come into an NFL game and do anything against a competent defense. The Raiders have a decent defense like they played some tough offenses this year. Patrick Graham's a good coordinator. They'll take away explosive plays. They have Crosby adjusted for schedule. They're like 12th.
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A
I mean in fairness George Pickens and CD Lamb lighting you up. It's like those guys are elite players.
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B
Yes.
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A
Especially George this year. I mean George has been pretty dominant.
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B
Yeah. I mean there's just nothing to Brown like but Chador, he's from everything that I've heard and seen he can't read blitz. He's not ready to and that's been the thing is preparation in his care and it's like it's just not there yet. That's why he hasn't seen the field for over Gabriel who's not good. Gabriel's been one of the worst. She would think how can it get much worse? Well I'll tell you because all the people let him close to in the Browns were like it's you don't that he's not ready. I had that. I told you last week I had the Browns plus eight and a half against my Ravens. They're up six in the fourth quarter with the ball and I thought I was going to lose my bet. It's the fourth quarter with a dominant defense. I just didn't want the Browns to have the ball because I was like there's gonna throw he so he threw one of the worst picks I've ever seen. He also on a rollout was trying to throw a like a little just dump off it went. Kyle Hamilton dropped the pick six. He went 0 of 8 against the blitz with 100 pressure rate. He held the ball the longest of any. He doesn't. He doesn't look at his first read. He took a sack almost as a safety. He had another sack where he fumbled it but a Browns offensive lineman recovered it. They. The Ravens almost won that game by 21 and they were down six in the fourth quarter. So I just think it's well his natural.
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A
His natural Reaction a little. Caleb is to take off. Well, Caleb is a big time athlete and yeah, and that's. He got away at.
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B
Look Chidor, when he has time, he has a great arm and he's very accurate but he right now he just can't read NFL defenses and blitzes and like he is used to at Colorado he would just go all the way back and then he was able to shred Big 12 defenses with really good receivers by the way. They're all in the NFL and the Browns don't have that and they don't have a bad offensive line, bad receivers. And this is a different type of speed. This is not the Big 12 is the NFL. So not to say sure can't ever be good, but right now it's. He's not ready. I mean last week was a disaster.
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A
There'll be a lot of eyeballs on this game that no one would have watched. Two weeks. Yeah.
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B
Now it's a lot more interesting. I made it with the Raiders. It's disgusting. Who wants to lay points with the Raiders team? But I did. Okay, here's a stat because you can go back to the. The last preseason game that Sanders played, he played against the Rams. Who sent their scout team? They didn't, they didn't send. I forget who started for the Rams in that game. They went to Cleveland. It was like a, it was a Saturday afternoon. It was like a noon kick. They, they didn't, they didn't play anybody. And there was like a third string defense and I think he had like five.
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A
He got.
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B
Was sacked like five or six times in a quarter. But over the. Including that game and then last week's game, over the last, the last 31 times that Shador Sanders has dropped back, the Browns have negative 7 yards, 31 drop backs, negative 7 yards. That's stunning.
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A
I can't, I can't wait. Okay, speaking of the Rams, I mean, were you on the Sean Tucker train before that performance the other night? I'll be honest, I didn't know much about him, but I immediately googled him.
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B
Syracuse, he's bringing some juice that he can scoot that they've been missing without Bucky.
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A
Sneaky with Carolina, which if you would have told me the ners Carolina would be a big game. I know it was on Monday night when the schedule came out but like people would like there'd be a decent amount on the line. I'd be like, you're crazy. But there is for both teams, especially.
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B
For wild card tiebreaker too.
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A
Yeah. I mean, well, what About. I mean, they still play Tampa twice. I mean, Tampa's just. It felt like they were just going to run away with it because we viewed the Atlanta Falcons as being the team that would be chasing them. Turns out it's the Carolina Panthers. It's not inconceivable. I mean, the 49ers are rolling out a UFL defense, so if Purdy McCaffrey and, and Kittle and Pierce Hall's back, if they're scoring points, probably be okay. But if they have an off day.
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B
That defense could win in a shootout.
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A
I don't think most people realize Jacoby Brissette just threw 450 yards, NFL record.
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B
For completions in a game.
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A
If he would have told me his stat line to going into that game, I'd be like, oh, the Niners probably going to lose this game 40 to 30 or something, you know.
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B
Yeah, they got, they had a kick return, they had a bunch of turnovers and then it had a 98 yard kick return. Otherwise, that game probably, you know, the Niners probably would have won, but it would have been like 40 to 30.
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A
Would have been tight. Yeah, it would have been tight. They're going to play in a lot of tight games with that defense.
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B
Yep.
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A
I, I just, I, I'm going to take Tampa six and a half here. That, that was a massive win for the Rams, which is crazy. He throws all these picks and he, he does not look good. It, it's not like balls are getting tipped. I mean, he, he, his picks were hitting guys in their chest. The one jump pass thing that he did that is like, Sam, I'm your fan, but what are we doing here? Still covered, but I think I'm going to take Tampa here. Plus six and a half.
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B
Yeah. That speaks to the Seahawks defense that it's pretty elite through four picks and.
- [104:10]
A
They were able to Stafford through for 130 yards.
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B
Yeah, they still had a kick to win it. So we'll see if the Bucks get any healthier here, especially at set at 7. Definitely would look at the Bucks.
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A
Here's like.
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B
So one of the things that the Rams are doing lately is they're using 13 personnel over the past month. I think they've used it like 40, 45 of the time. So they're using like three tight ends on the field at the same time. And that's kind of part of a bigger trend in the NFL this year is. And the Ravens have kind of been ahead of the curve. Right? They were, they were doing it with a lot of the 12 personnel with likely and Andrews and then fullback in there and Ricard and then you have Lamar and, and. And like. So it was like a heavier offense. Why was that advantageous? Well, most importantly, defenses aren't used to every.
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A
All.
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B
All the other weeks you're playing 11 personnel. Right. And it's the same kind of offenses and stuff spread. So you know, these things are cyclical.
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A
Become a heavy spread league lot like college.
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B
Yep. And then offenses adjust. So now you're seeing like, look at the Steelers. The Steelers are running out there like two, three tight ends all the time. The Seahawks are going heavy personnel, heavy play action, and they're not even running it well, but they're throwing it really well. Now the Rams, one of the best offenses in the. They're going like three tight ends 40% of the time. So one of the biggest issues with that, that you see from NFL teams is they are matching. They are matching these heavy personnel formations on with their base defense, which is the wrong approach. And what I mean by that is, so if you have a bunch of tight ends out there, a lot of teams will say, okay, let's put linebackers out there. We got to stop the run, we got to stop. But teams are throwing out of this and they're throwing to their tight ends and they're creating mismatches against non cover guys. The way, the best way to approach this is you don't match the formation. You match the down and distance. Right. So if it's like a passing down, you have your, your, your nickel in there, the team that does it the best. Now you can't you. In order to do that, if you have like a really good nickel, that could also be basically a linebacker and cover. The Seahawks already have one of those. And Nick even more, I think rookie out of South Carolina. The Seahawks match base with heavy on heavy personnel only 20 of the time. That's the lowest by far. So basically they just always have their nickel out there. It gives them a lot of flexibility and they can still defend the run. The league average is 80%. Two teams that, that do a good job of doing this, that around 50% are the bears and the Bucks. So the Bucks do a good job of doing this, which is really important against the Rams. They're not just gonna. When the Rams have three tight ends, they're not gonna, you know, bring in all their linebackers. They can still. They're gonna still have their cover guys out there, which is important because the Rams can really still throw and do a lot out of that formation. And the and the reason the Bucks can do that is because their run defense is really good. Just put their guys up front and they don't have to really worry about it. So a little in the weeds there. I don't know if that all made sense, but I follow you from that perspective. I think the Bucks will be able to handle some of this 13 personnel stuff that's giving other teams issues. But one of the reasons it didn't in Seattle is because they're not matching. They're able to kind of play nickel and still contain the run and then cover all the guys that the Rams are throwing to. So the Bucks aren't as good at it as Seattle, but their run deal art is just as good and they're not matching with base as often as a lot of these other teams are doing, which is a major mistake in my opinion. And I think eventually all these defenses will catch on and they got to get, you got to get more of these hybrid safety, nickel linebacker guys who become so much more important and then you're able to, to do what the Seahawks do. So yeah, I don't, I don't mind taking the seven here with the Bucks, but huge game, like if the Bucks lose and they're seven point dogs and the Panthers winning the shootout, you're, the Panthers are in first place on Tuesday morning and it's a huge game in wild card tiebreakers. And yeah, so the, the Panthers have been feisty. I mean this is all that. Also Tina went on the road and won at Green Bay. They're, you know, Bryce Young's playing better. They can run the ball. Ted McMillan's really good. So yeah, two really important games in that division and especially for the 49ers, like because as you said, they're probably going to lose some shootouts, win some shootouts. So every game is so important in the nfc, which is just going to be an all out war. I mean, I can't, this is the first time in a very long time. Now granted I'm a Ravens fan that I look at the, the playoff picture and the projected matchups, especially if the Chiefs aren't in there. Imagine if the Ravens don't get in either that I'm like, I can't wait for the NFC compared to the afc. I mean, like right now in the NFC you're talking, well, you got a couple.
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A
I mean Tampa LA is like kind of an early season playoff game that, that Seattle Rams game, early season playoff game, this 49er Carolina game, assuming Tampa loses. You know, there's not as much pressure on Carolina. They lose. They still, you know, control a lot of their destiny because they play them. I do think there's a ton of pressure on the 49ers given how Seattle's not going away. Obviously the Rams would be rolling. They have the Browns, Cleveland the following week. And you mentioned this. Schwartz owns Kyle Shanahan a couple years ago and they played Browns almost always beat.
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B
They beat him last year. They're in every game.
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A
Their defense is good. At home, it probably be bad weather. Purdy holding on to the ball. He's got a little golf to him. It's not as good in. I mean, you see him in a dome. I mean, he looks fantastic. You know, you get him in that inclement weather. Be cold, windy, wet. That Browns game is tricky. You told me at the beginning of the season the 49ers win 10 or 11 games. I would have circled that. Like, that's probably a loss going into their buy. But you win this thing, you're 8 and 4, you get a little breathing room. Okay. You lose that, you still control your own destiny. Against the Bears the following week, who are going to start playing the packers and the Lions, that thing get a little weird. I think this is game at home, Monday Night Football. You win this game, you're 8 and 4. You got a pretty good path to get to that seven seed and pretty remarkable accomplishment given the injuries, but given your defense, I mean, McMillan, that listen, I was like, I don't know, man. This kind of big guy, he's not that fast. I get. He was really productive in the Big 12 at Arizona. I've seen this song and dance before. He looks awesome. That's a good pick. Even Leggett, now granted, we kind of weird early start to his career. Did look pretty good. Made some plays last year, showed some explosion. Or last week, excuse me, against Atlanta, if they can get him going a little bit with McMillan. Their offense, they do have a little pop to them.
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B
Yeah. And they can run the ball and you can run on San Fran. The other thing is like San Francisco is not getting any pressure right now, so Young can just sit back there and.
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A
Not an easy game for the Niners. Like I, I, I would not trust with the points just because their defense is so atrocious.
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B
Yeah, I took the, I took the seven. Just. I can't trust in the win by margin. Like you got to win by 10 or more. Plus the back door would be very easy against that defense if you need it. But yeah, the NFC is crazy right the Lions aren't in the playoffs at the season ended right now and neither are the Panthers. And it's pretty wild. I mean, the matchups in the first round would be 49ers at Rams, packers at Bears, Seahawks at Bucks, Eagles by like that's intriguing. Whereas, you know, like in the afc, you got the. The top seeds are like Daniel Jones and Bo Nix and Aaron Rodgers and you got the. The Chargers without an O line. The Jags, like the NFC right now as it currently stands is way more intriguing than the afc.
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A
Well, Stuckey, enjoy the weekend and we will reconvene next week. Going into Turkey Day, it actually pretty good slate on three games on Thursday and then even the Black Friday games. Like, damn, that's. That's a pretty good Black Friday game.
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B
Yeah, you got college football days Friday and Saturday, so yeah, it's a good week. Yeah, we'll catch up Tuesday and go through it.
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A
Talk to you soon, buddy.
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B
All right, brother.
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A
Have a great night.
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B
The Volume.
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A
This is an I heart podcast.