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Like, people that talk about football talk about Ronnie. Like, understand, Ronnie Lott's good, but no one ever talks about him. Everyone's fucking talking about Anthony Davis getting traded and all these things. Like, no one ever mentions this guy. It's crazy. I just wanted to give him some love because I love. I freaking love Ronnie Lott.

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John Middelkoff (2:58)

Football's built on guys like that. Even Joe Montana, Jackson, you were there, pointed.

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That being said, Seattle's in the super bowl, and they're probably gonna win it in the 49ers stadium. So there's that. And, yeah, other than that, San Francisco, you got to keep your head on a swivel when you're walking around the city. There's a lot of fecal matter on the ground, and it ain't just from dogs. So, you know, last night you had to do, like, a little Christian McCaffrey walking down the street. Beautiful weather, though. It's like 65 degrees. You got to be careful. The thing about San Francisco, the Bay Area in general, I guess coastal towns are like this. Where I went to school, Cal Poly.

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John Middelkoff (3:42)

This is. You wake up and it's cold. So you're wearing jeans, a pullover, a sweatshirt. And then the sun comes out and you start sweating. So you, like, want shorts and a T shirt. And then, like, a little before dinner, it gets cold again, so you gotta have your head on a swivel with outfits. Like, when I left the hotel this morning at about 8, it was cold by the time, and I kind of got lost. I was kind of turned around. Even though I've spent. I mean, I lived in this area for 30 plus years of my life that you get in the sun and you start getting hot. It's, you know, at least, like, where I'm at. Arizona, it's just hot. The thing with the Bay Area, you just never know what pitch it's gonna throw. Sometimes it's throwing 100 miles an hour, and you're like, it's freezing cold. Bundle up. Sometimes the sun out and you're like, it's 80 degrees, but it feels really hot. You're sweating. So hopefully the weather's great this weekend. We get a good Super Bowl. I love the Super Bowl. I mean, I. It's just. There's just so much on the line. Sam Darnold, super bowl champion Imagine if Sam Darnold wins the super bowl mvp. I mean, I'm sitting there last night. Joe Montana, they're Like Super Bowl MVP Joe Montana. What if you just walk into a room, it's like, Tom Brady, Super Bowl MVP Joe Montana, Super Bowl MVP Peyton Manning, super bowl mvp. And then Sam Darnold walks in in like a week. It's like, I'm a Super bowl mvp, too. Think how crazy that would be, describing that to someone several years ago that that happened. People I don't even think would believe you. They wouldn't, but it's not even possible. I mean, he's the betting favorite. If Seattle wins, you just look at the history. Typically, quarterbacks not only win the award, it's very difficult for them not to win the award. It would take a corner having like two picks. It would take a Jackson Smith having anything he does, Sam Darnold's doing. So the quarterback usually gets more respect than the wide receiver. Edelman's crazy catch, like, that's. It takes something crazy to take it away from Sam. So, yeah, other than that. Still kind of running on fumes.

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You know, I thought I'd be able to sleep. Felt a little guilty. As my wife said, the baby didn't sleep. But you just kind of lay in the hotel room, stare at the sky.

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And you're like, I guess. Guess I got to go to radio Row and sling some takes. So let's dive into some of our interviews, and I'll talk to everyone a little bit later. Adios.

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Kendrick Bourne (8:52)

A homicide captain saying detective, do not find out if this guy's guilty or innocent.

John Middelkoff (8:58)

Who does that?

Podcast Narrator (8:59)

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John Middelkoff (9:12)

I wouldn't do it alone.

Podcast Narrator (9:15)

Listen to Valley of shadows on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

Nav Green (9:21)

This show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes. Rumors, not so accurate stats and plenty. What's up man? This your boy Nav Green from the Broken Play podcast? Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoff. The Chiefs.

Justin Jefferson (9:47)

What's a wrap?

Nav Green (9:47)

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then Drake.

Kendrick Bourne (9:51)

May up there, Josh Allen up there still.

Justin Jefferson (9:54)

Oh my boy Matthew Stafford.

John Middelkoff (9:56)

Where did Bo Nicks at?

Justin Jefferson (9:58)

He ain't too far behind.

John Middelkoff (9:59)

He did all this talking.

Justin Jefferson (10:00)

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically bro is crazy, bro.

Nav Green (10:04)

You know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better.

Justin Jefferson (10:08)

Web Caleb Williams hey, he should be in that conversation.

John Middelkoff (10:11)

In what conversation?

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He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast.

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For decades, people traveled across the world to see John of God, desperate for cures no doctor could offer. And when they arrived, they saw things they couldn't explain.

Justin Jefferson (10:35)

This is real.

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This guy's actually doing surgery and it's a miracle.

Justin Jefferson (10:39)

I never believed that miracles were real until that point.

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Justin Jefferson (12:49)

That's definitely something I might look into. I'm always a fan of sports, always a fan, especially of football. So it's definitely something I might need to take, you know, take apart. But as of right now, as you know me, I keep being able to play. I'm gonna play in until. Until it's all said and done.

John Middelkoff (13:07)

Have you done that before during. During the training camp game?

Justin Jefferson (13:10)

Yeah, I did last year. I did last year. And they said, like, you know, we.

John Middelkoff (13:15)

Need to do this again.

Justin Jefferson (13:16)

Right. But I'm always on different interviews and different little segments on tv, so I feel like I'm. I'm starting to get accustomed to it.

John Middelkoff (13:23)

You know, it's funny. You're obviously fun guy, come here, have a good time. But anything you say right now, everyone, you know, you're, you know, you go to these places. You just said something last week, and.

Justin Jefferson (13:33)

It'S everywhere you look, right?

Kendrick Bourne (13:34)

Yeah.

John Middelkoff (13:35)

Is that. I mean, typically you come here, times are good, you've been winning all pro, and now it's like, I want his takes on about. I got about three questions. Quarterback, gm. You get nervous when you come into that, knowing that's coming, you don't care.

Justin Jefferson (13:46)

That's something I had to answer all year. You know, of course, being in the season and, you know, losing, having questional questions at quarterback, those questions always has been given to me throughout the year. Year is really nothing. It's just all about telling. I really tell what it is and just tell them what. What I'm looking forward to, of course, what needs to work on and what we need to get better at. So it's not really much about being nervous about the questions, but of course, those questions do hit a little bit harder.

John Middelkoff (14:18)

What do you think about Sam? I mean, obviously he had a great season last year.

Justin Jefferson (14:22)

I mean, he's definitely had a great season season last year, but he bounced back and had an even better, better one this year. So I feel like that's the. The main thing that I'm taking away from it. You know, a lot of people counting him out, A lot of people, you know, asking if he's able to do that again with a whole different team. So I'm just happy to see him reach to this stage, of course, with the journey that he has, and hopefully he wins it.

John Middelkoff (14:45)

When did you know? Last year. Okay, this is gonna. Was a training camp, was OTAs, did it take a couple games. Yeah, you got to a lot of.

Justin Jefferson (14:51)

Quarterbacks for sure, a good bit. But I mean, training camp, he definitely made plays. Definitely was. Had a big arm, being able to lead the offense. And then once JJ went down with the injury, then he was the main guy. So it was all about connecting with him and building that relationship and building, building that relationship out there on that field. So, I mean, to see him throughout the game winning 14, 14 games that season and being a valuable spark for us that we really needed during that time, I mean, he's, he's definitely a great player, but he's also a great, great guy as well.

John Middelkoff (15:25)

Was this the craziest year of your career? For sure.

Kendrick Bourne (15:27)

100.

Justin Jefferson (15:28)

Just to deal with the different things that I had to deal with this year. You know, everybody really expected me to give a reaction or give, give my honest opinion, but just really staying true to myself, staying true to the guys that's out there, that's in that, in that building and just understanding that, you know, the people that's in this building are the main important people. So it really wasn't about, you know, putting anybody down or putting a bad name on anybody. It's just all about, you know, going back to work and just, of course, being that leader and that captain that I am.

John Middelkoff (15:59)

I remember Carson Palmer told me years ago that, like, the thing he missed about playing was everyone looking at him. He walked into the building. What's unique about you, you're kind of that guy. It's typically the quarterback when you're. So it's like if you shrug your shoulder or something, everyone picks it apart. So it's like you think you kind of grew this year from just because everyone's like, oh, is he mad? Oh, he's over it. Oh, he's pissed.

Justin Jefferson (16:20)

100 and, you know, I had to learn that patience.

John Middelkoff (16:23)

Is that fair that people picking you apart or is it. I mean, it comes with territory.

Justin Jefferson (16:26)

Yeah, it comes with the game. You know, that's. It comes with signing up for, for this huge program. There's billions of dollars being in. Involved and millions of fans that's being involved. So it's a part of it. You know, they want to win, they want answers. And the only way is, is to get those answers is from the, the face of the franchise. So it's, it's, it's staying true to myself, staying true to the guys that's in that building and not really putting a bad name or a bad comment on anybody's name in there.

John Middelkoff (16:54)

What's the Key to JJ just growing and everything this offseason.

Justin Jefferson (16:57)

Yeah, I mean, just. I mean, if people don't really. If people don't look at him as just a quarterback, obviously he's a quarterback of this organization, but this is his first year, you know, this is his new time. This is a whole new time of really him experiencing being out there on that field with these type of guys playing in this league. So it's not always going to be, you know, finding dandy roses and butterflies. Sometimes it's takes a little bit of patience. Sometimes it takes a little bit more extra work in order for him to be exactly what he needed to be.

John Middelkoff (17:31)

You obviously had historic, you know, last year at lsu, and then you had a pretty big moment, even though you had nothing to do with it, when it said the Philadelphia Eagles have selected Jalen Rager. And they go to the Minnesota guys and they're like, yeah, you were the next pick, right? Yeah, that was, you're welcome to the NFL moment. It still goes viral 100%.

Justin Jefferson (17:52)

And, I mean, a whole bunch of mock drafts had me going to Philly that year. And then, you know, Minnesota actually called me during their pick. So I thought it was Philly calling me at that time. But when I heard him and he was like, yeah, this is the Minnesota Vikings, I definitely was, you know, confused. But I also was happy, of course, being picked in the first round and being able to fulfill my dreams.

John Middelkoff (18:13)

I got one more for you. Get out of here. You coming out. You look back, you went in the 20s because it was like, oh, he's a slot receiver. Oh, he can't, I don't know, separate outside the draft's couple, you know, couple months away. Now, looking back, how did that happen?

Justin Jefferson (18:30)

I really don't know. And honestly, if you really looked at the film and you really study my game, I'm definitely far more than a slot receiver.

John Middelkoff (18:38)

And I'm not the knock.

Justin Jefferson (18:39)

That was my first year playing slot receiver actually, you know, years before. I always play outside receiver. So it was just all about the talk that was in the building. Of course, having Jamar Chase, having Terrence Marshall and myself, someone had to play outside and someone had to play inside.

John Middelkoff (18:54)

It was a decent offense.

Justin Jefferson (18:55)

Exactly. It was. It was pretty decent. Right. So just taking that role into playing that slot position, being able to move, being versatile, showing. Well, it was apparently supposed to show the league that I was more versatile, but they thought that I was more of a slot receiver than then. Then, of course, being versatile. So it was all part of the plan. I'm. I'm happy to be in Minnesota, happy to have a fantastic state of the art facility. We're a on everything, so I was definitely honored to be there. It just, you know, of course, had to go through some changes and difficulties of reaching to where we would like to go.

John Middelkoff (19:28)

A lot of people saying, Indiana, best team ever. I don't know about that.

Justin Jefferson (19:34)

I don't think so either.

John Middelkoff (19:36)

See you, buddy.

Kendrick Bourne (19:37)

Yes, sir.

John Middelkoff (19:37)

Thanks.

Justin Jefferson (19:52)

Okay.

John Middelkoff (19:53)

Here at the super bowl with a wide receiver who's played for Kyle Shanahan, for Bill Belichick, and then for Kyle Shanahan again, Kendrick Bourne. How you doing, man?

Kendrick Bourne (20:02)

I'm doing well, John. How you doing? How's life doing? Good, man. Life's good, man.

John Middelkoff (20:05)

Biden, what a season, huh?

Kendrick Bourne (20:07)

I know, man. It's fun. It was fun, man.

John Middelkoff (20:09)

So let's go back. Let's. You left the 49ers for the Patriots and then obviously they had some coaching changes over the last couple years. How did the everything play out with you coming back?

Kendrick Bourne (20:21)

Yeah, it was amazing. Obviously, getting released is tough, but took it on the chin, man, like a man. And just enjoying the process of it. But just talking to teams, you know, having a relationship with some San Fran, I obviously was locked in with them. And so when I got released, I was available. They like, hey, we're interested. Had Washington on the calls, too, but ultimately you could see the story kind of writing itself. So, like, I had to just follow God and ended up doing a workout and it worked out and so came home and. And I'm at where I'm at, but it was a good journey.

John Middelkoff (20:48)

What week did you sign?

Kendrick Bourne (20:49)

I signed week two.

John Middelkoff (20:50)

Week two?

Kendrick Bourne (20:51)

Yeah. So I missed the Seattle game.

John Middelkoff (20:52)

Yeah. So you come in. I mean, I feel like the NFC west had some of the games of the year, man.

Kendrick Bourne (20:57)

For real.

John Middelkoff (20:58)

I mean, some of the games of the year and you were a part. You know, the injuries, Purdy gets hurt, and then you and Mac Jones look like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice in that game. What'd you do, like 10 for a buck 50?

Kendrick Bourne (21:09)

Yeah. Yeah, you're right there. You there, you there.

John Middelkoff (21:12)

And your relationship with Mac, obviously going back to New England, that was something that made the transition a lot easier. And it's great because you didn't expect him to play when you sign. And then Purdy gets injured. Was that week two that he get injured?

Kendrick Bourne (21:25)

It was, yeah. Week two. Yeah.

John Middelkoff (21:26)

Because then Mac started playing like the next eight games.

Kendrick Bourne (21:28)

Yep, yep. So it was just a crazy story, you know what I'm saying? Like, I could never see that if I just thought that that year. You know what I'm saying? So God's plan is always better. And Mack being with him his rookie year and then that was my first year, kind of getting paid, building my career, finally kind of growing and ended up being back with him was just special, man. So it definitely made the transition easy. And we was cooking, man. Took advantage of our opportunity.

John Middelkoff (21:49)

Well, before we get into Kyle or Josh McDaniels or Bill, I do think you represent the NFL seriously. Undrafted free agent.

Kendrick Bourne (21:57)

Yep.

John Middelkoff (21:58)

Makes the team. Team's not very good. At first. You end up going to Super Bowl.

Kendrick Bourne (22:02)

Yeah.

John Middelkoff (22:02)

And you were one of the main guys on that super bowl team. Sherm's right there, right? All pro on that team.

Kendrick Bourne (22:07)

Yeah.

John Middelkoff (22:07)

And then you get a second big contract. Like, that's. This is not these other sport. Like, you're not a high pick. You weren't even drafted. And how many years are you in now?

Kendrick Bourne (22:15)

About to be 10. Crazy, man.

John Middelkoff (22:17)

So just.

Kendrick Bourne (22:18)

Life's been good, man. God is good. Just the mindset, my perspective has been right. You know what I'm saying? When I go through lows, when I go through highs, you know, just staying level. Like, you can't never get too high. And so any advice to anybody listening, you know, just keep your head down, work. And it's been special. So being in the super bowl, being undrafted, all these, getting paid, experiencing the whole thing of the NFL has been fun, man. And that's what I think life is all about. Experiences and how you. How you experience them.

John Middelkoff (22:41)

Did you make the team out of camp as a rookie?

Kendrick Bourne (22:43)

Yes.

John Middelkoff (22:44)

So you made the team as an undrafted free agent out of camp. Never looked back.

Kendrick Bourne (22:47)

Never looked.

John Middelkoff (22:47)

So you'd never been cut till later in your career?

Kendrick Bourne (22:50)

Yeah, just. This is my first time being released. This. This year, last. This. This started year.

John Middelkoff (22:54)

Did Vrabel, was he that they call you, and it just.

Kendrick Bourne (22:57)

Yeah, it was crazy. And it was a good experience for me. And that's what I talk about, experiences. Whether it's a bad experience, good experience. It doesn't matter what the world thinks. It's about what I think in my mind and how. How I take it and use it as fuel or let it take me down. So I actually. I used to say, like, I'm never gonna be released ever. But then I got released, and so I'm like, oh, shoot. So now how do I. How do I take it? How do I process it? And I did a good job, man, and I ended up going back home and the story's dope, but it's just my perspective's right about not. Not going into the tank about it.

John Middelkoff (23:26)

Didn't you have a college teammate that's pretty good in the NFL, you know?

Kendrick Bourne (23:28)

Yeah, Big Coop.

John Middelkoff (23:30)

So Eastern Washington had a 10 year NFL vet, Super Bowl MVP. I mean, did you guys ever lose?

Kendrick Bourne (23:38)

We were.

John Middelkoff (23:39)

Didn't you have an NFL quarterback, too?

Kendrick Bourne (23:41)

We have Vernon Adams. It was Vernon Adams. Oh, yeah, yeah.

John Middelkoff (23:43)

Oregon kid.

Kendrick Bourne (23:44)

The Oregon. He transferred Oregon. But yes, Coop, man, is my guy. I'm praying that he does well in the game, man. I really want him to win, too. So I'm kind of going for both sides. I love my guys in New England, all my friends. And then Coop and them, man, they balling. But he helped me a lot in my life, man. And being connected to him so long has helped me in my life.

John Middelkoff (24:00)

You know, it's funny, you know, obviously the Niners, Seattle big rival, but like, it's kind of like Sherm. Sherm came. Everyone likes Sherm, right? Sam Darnold came. Everyone likes Sam Darnold. So it's like the 49ers. I mean, those two games to end the year was hard, right? You guys were running on fumes, injuries.

Kendrick Bourne (24:15)

It's heavy. You know, Seattle's a really good defense, really good team overall. McDonald, man, he's different. I like the way he answers interviews. Just confident, you know what I'm saying? Like, not worrying about anybody else, but inside the building and. And that's why they're winning. That's why they are where they are. Sam Darnold ball. And so they got a good thing going. They going into the off season with like 70 million or something.

John Middelkoff (24:33)

So you want to go home?

Kendrick Bourne (24:35)

It's a possibility. It's a possibility. No, I'm a free agent, so I'm willing to go wherever the best opportunity presents itself. I want to be back in San Fran. That's my home. But hey, man, anybody give me a good opportunity to play, compete, help a team win, that's what I'm looking for.

John Middelkoff (24:47)

What's it like playing for Kyle?

Kendrick Bourne (24:48)

He's awesome, man. He's smart. He actually helped me develop into who I am today, you know, that's where I started. And so, like, learning his playbook first was just tough for a young guy, but it got me used to the league. So when I went from him to Josh McDaniels, it was easy for. Easier for me to translate Josh McDaniel's offense into my mind and play. So he helped me grow Develop, and I'm always thankful for that.

John Middelkoff (25:09)

Kyle's hard on White House, huh?

Kendrick Bourne (25:10)

Yeah, we're. We're his babies, bro. You know what I'm saying? The train runs through us. So, like, we got it. We got to operate it, right? And he does a good job of pushing us.

John Middelkoff (25:18)

And you were around, what, LaFleur, Mike McDaniel. I mean, how many head coaches? Obviously Salah d'? Amico. I mean, all these guys were on staff when you first got here.

Kendrick Bourne (25:26)

It's crazy. So you can see what Kyle develops and, like, the culture he builds, and it's a strong foundation, and I'm blessed to say I was a part of that foundation. You're starting 0 and 9, finishing 6 and 10, 2018, 4 and 12, Super bowl, struggling in the next 2020. Covid. But the culture was built in those four years. And then you build coaches, you build. People have interest of, okay, how are they doing it? And that's why you see so many head coaches.

John Middelkoff (25:49)

How many guys in the NFL have played for Kyle and Bill Belichick? It can't be a long list.

Kendrick Bourne (25:54)

That is a great question. Somebody told me a story about me playing for both, about Bill.

John Middelkoff (25:59)

I'm just less than one hand. Seriously.

Kendrick Bourne (26:01)

You might be right.

John Middelkoff (26:01)

So I'm like, I can't think of one.

Kendrick Bourne (26:03)

I'm one of those guys. So somebody was like, kyle. Kyle called Bill Belichick about me. Like, hey, how's kb? What is his attitude? And Kyle gave him a good answer. Like, hey, his attitude, he was great. You're gonna love him. And then Bill somehow talked to Kyle and was like, hey, man, I do love this guy. So hearing stuff like that, you know, it puts. Puts credit to what I do and my attitude and how I approach, and I'm blessed, man. I'm blessed.

John Middelkoff (26:22)

Both can be a little grumpy. You know, Kyle's young.

Kendrick Bourne (26:24)

You know, Kyle's serious about it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that they watching a lot of film, they doing a lot of studying, so, you know, football's tough. So it built. So when you. A person like me, having charisma, dancing, it breaks the ice a little bit. So it brings the. Enjoying it, man, but it's a tough sport, so that's why they're grumpy.

John Middelkoff (26:40)

Were you there for Mac Jones rookie year?

Kendrick Bourne (26:41)

Yeah. Yeah.

John Middelkoff (26:42)

You guys made the playoffs that year?

Kendrick Bourne (26:43)

Yeah, yeah.

John Middelkoff (26:43)

You played in that game where he only had three pass attempts, right? Freezing cold.

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Kendrick Bourne (26:46)

Yeah.

John Middelkoff (26:47)

Against Buffalo, bro.

Kendrick Bourne (26:48)

I had one handoff, so I was happy. But Josh McDaniels ran the ball. Yes.

John Middelkoff (26:51)

How many yards you guys have that game? Like 70.

Kendrick Bourne (26:54)

No, I. Oh, because you ran the.

John Middelkoff (26:55)

Oh, you just ran the ball the whole.

Kendrick Bourne (26:57)

We ran the ball, so I think we had like 120. We won.

Justin Jefferson (26:59)

Yeah.

Kendrick Bourne (26:59)

But that was the most. One of the most amazing game calls by Josh I've ever seen. Just to run the ball 50 times and run it three times.

John Middelkoff (27:05)

Three attempts, right?

Kendrick Bourne (27:06)

It's crazy, bro. So it's just windy or cold?

Nav Green (27:09)

Both.

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John Middelkoff (27:10)

I kind of forget. Was it a.

Kendrick Bourne (27:11)

It was a wind. Yes. It was like a wind gust. That was crazy. But Josh. Josh Allen was throwing in that.

John Middelkoff (27:16)

Yeah, he was.

Kendrick Bourne (27:17)

He didn't care.

John Middelkoff (27:17)

He was splitting the wind.

Kendrick Bourne (27:18)

He's powerful. So that was a crazy game, crazy experience. Just a good time to be a part of.

John Middelkoff (27:23)

I know you got to get going, but what was it like playing, you know, Belichick now is in college. What was that experience like for. With. With Bill?

Kendrick Bourne (27:29)

It was just life changing, man. You know what I'm saying? Just to learn from somebody that knows it. Seriously, you know what I'm saying? Bill gave me my first payday, you know what I'm saying? I'm always thankful for that. I always remember him for that. And the things like when I'm sitting in my house, like, man, Patriots helped me get this. So I'm always rooting for him, you know, even if I got released and not playing, that stuff is important. So Bill gave me the opportunity. I love him. He taught me a lot. Taught me how to be better in football, better in life, and just my day to day, and I'm thankful for him.

John Middelkoff (27:54)

That's awesome. Congrats.

Kendrick Bourne (27:55)

Be a first ballot.

John Middelkoff (27:56)

What was that?

Kendrick Bourne (27:57)

Doesn't make sense, bro.

Nav Green (27:58)

That was.

John Middelkoff (27:58)

That was insane.

Kendrick Bourne (27:59)

Doesn't make sense, bro.

John Middelkoff (28:00)

I think every coach in the league would be the first to tell you he's incredible.

Kendrick Bourne (28:04)

That's what I'm saying.

John Middelkoff (28:05)

People not watch football for those 20.

Kendrick Bourne (28:06)

Years, all the nonsense.

John Middelkoff (28:08)

What about the year with Max? Rookie year when you guys made the playoffs?

Kendrick Bourne (28:11)

Phenomenal. Phenomenal. And that's what's crazy. Like, it's funny to see the Patriots in it right now, but we. They kind of had the sauce. They had the script with Mack and. And where we were going, but then coaching changes and. And it just. It kind of went downhill in our era over there, so.

John Middelkoff (28:25)

So you're a big Bill Belichick guy.

Kendrick Bourne (28:26)

I really am. I really am. I love that guy.

John Middelkoff (28:28)

That's awesome.

Kendrick Bourne (28:29)

I saw him in North Carolina. I went to visit him when I was in San Francisco.

John Middelkoff (28:32)

Oh, I saw. Oh, yeah. When they played.

Kendrick Bourne (28:33)

Yeah. So it was good just seeing him catching up, and that's my guy.

John Middelkoff (28:36)

That's awesome, man. Well, congrats on everything, Kendrick, and good luck in free agents.

Kendrick Bourne (28:39)

Thank you, bro. Appreciate having me.

John Middelkoff (28:40)

Take it easy, mister.

Kendrick Bourne (28:40)

Thank you.

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