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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? It's your boy, John Middlekop Little three and out podcast and today we're actually going to talk some college football. My guy Jackson, who who you heard last year, cop on campus who now started his intern Jackson now is producer Jackson behind the scenes with the crew of guys we have. He he will join me today. I told him to put together some questions, some thoughts as we head in to so far, the biggest weekend yet in college football. We got some massive games. We had a firing in Mike Gundy, Dabo Sweeney, John Matieres injured. We just got a lot going on in college. Obviously some big, some just massive, massive matchups in conference. You know, you got Bama, Georgia, lsu, Ole Miss, you got Penn State, Oregon, you got tcu, asu, you got Washington, Ohio State. So we got some really, really good games. We're going to do a lot of college football for about 45 minutes hour maybe it's closer to an hour than 45 minutes and then I want to do a little mailbag as well. So @johnmittlecoffonmiddlekopf is the Instagram fire in those DMs email and get your questions answered here on the show. Obviously you know if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the three and out podcast. You can find us wherever you may listen to podcasts and as well as the YouTube channel. Just type in my name. Subscribe. You will never miss a thing and we will have you covered on all the football content. We we will not have a live reaction on YouTube Thursday night or podcast about anything regarding the Thursday night game because I will be at the Ryder cup in New York City doing some business stuff. So Friday will be Stucky who I actually recorded with today. So we kind of went over these games, the lines, definitely the NFL games. We got our first international game with the Steelers and the Vikings. So we will discuss that on Friday. But before I dive into any football, I got to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast. Game time. Best in the business. If I could go to one game this weekend, it might be Dublin just because I've never been there and see an NFL game. But it would probably be a college game and never been to Georgia. Actually I don't think I've ever been to the state of Georgia. So Georgia Bama be hard to beat. Oxford, Mississippi probably a pretty incredible environment. Penn State, me and a buddy from the Eagles back in the day when Billy o' Brien was the coach went to a spring practice but I didn't get the opportunity to go to a game. State College is cool. I would say Penn State at night against Oregon would be tough to beat. I guess I could go to tcu. No, I actually won't be in town. TCU at Arizona State. But if you want to go to any of these games, NFL college baseball playoffs are here. Any event. Concerts, the Sphere. You want to go see a movie at the Sphere? You want to go to a concert at the Sphere. Got you covered. So take the guesswork at a. Buying tickets. With game time down the gametime app, create an account, use the code John Johan for $20 off. First purchase terms apply. Again, create an account, redeem the code JOHN for $20 off. Download the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. We haven't done this for a while because my man's been just grinding behind the scenes, just cutting up videos. Part of our squad here at three and out and doing his own. I see him firing takes left and right. Jackson, I. You. You went to the Notre Dame A and M game. What was that a couple weeks ago now? Probably a shitty walk outside that building. Touchdown. Jesus came through for them, not for you guys. But how you doing, bro?
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Good, man. No, that game was tough. I knew right when that botched hold happened that that was going to be a Notre Dame thing in that Marcel Reed and A and M were going to drive down and win that football game. A one point game, obviously. You know, you go into those games and we saw some last week, a bunch of defensive performances in college football and you want to see a bunch of points go back and forth. But I don't know, man. One of those games for Notre Dame, obviously, I'm a Notre Dame fan, that you don't want to be in the situation they are right now, where you got to win out and you got to hope that the Big Ten gets weird, the SEC gets weird, and you kind of sneak your way in and look, I mean, Miami is a really good team. We'll obviously get into who we think is the best team in the country right now. And A and M looks like a top 10 team in the country. But I don't know. It was an unpuzzling. It was. It was an unsettling feeling to have Notre Dame lose that game in that way.
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I want to do something, you know, I told you, let's do like five burning questions, five main topics, five, you know, big things I do want to touch on. I touched on this on the podcast yesterday. What year were you born?
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1999. December 9th.
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So I was thinking about this. Mike Gundy was fired yesterday. He's 58, and his famous rant, I would say, was a viral moment. Pre social media. Right. Twitter didn't exist. Instagram didn't exist. Well, if I'm 40, I'm a man. Well, he's 58. That was 18 years ago. I mean, that was, I would say, a massive moment. It's one of the more viral moments for a coach, I would say, of my lifetime. Right. Any sport. And it used to happen more like when I was a kid with like baseball managers, had some legendary ones, Ditka, Jamora, playoffs. But the Gundy thing was pretty legendary. And then he went on to just have, I mean, an incredible career. And I just wanted to start by. I was thinking about this last night because I saw some stats. One, I don't think Mike Gundy's ever going to exist again. You know, we saw Bobby Bowden, Saban, these guys that got to coach for a long time. Those are all time outliers. But Gundy was the rare. I played there. I was an assistant coach there. He spent basically 10 years as an assistant, four years as a player, and then 20. I mean, you're talking well over 30 years. He's 58. It's over half his life in one spot. Which some of this stuff, like, I'm all for living in the future in progress. It is kind of sad that the day and age of like the guy that's just interwoven with that franchise, we're never going to see that again. I, you know, I. The player, the assistant coach, the guy that coaches for that many years, it's over. And the other thing that's kind of sad is, you know, Oklahoma State, I didn't realize how much he won. I mean 12 and 6 in bowl games. He was, I think his record was like 170 and 90. He had all these like 10 and 11 and 12 win seasons. Even as bad sees like winning eight, nine games. He was just winning a lot. Was they had T. Boone Pickens, who was kind of Phil Knight. But the rules, you couldn't just give guys hundreds of thousands of dollars. They probably, you know, gave some guys brown backs. But he died in 2019. And he gave those comments a couple weeks ago to Dillingham. And you know, everyone, you know, as the kids would say, dragged him. Right? Like, oh, it's like looking back, I think he was being like, we don't have. We cannot. Like, T. Boon doesn't exist anymore. I don't know what his family's doing with the fortune, but they're clearly not giving him money to buy the players like Texas Tech. And his comments were like, kind of represented like, I think OSU is an awful job and I do think Big 12 and we saw Dillingham, remember a couple of years ago, like big begging people for money. Now they're doing a little bit better now, but still, like I do think Big 12 in the conference relative to the Big 10, who I think has benefited the most from nil and the SEC that just has, you know, would be the next in line. I think it's going to be very difficult for some of their programs. You know, SMU be fine, TCU be fine, obviously Texas Tech, but osu. Now I see some of these people getting like this guy take the job. Like, I think it's going to be difficult for them because a guy goes there. It's like it's my career. Am I going to be able to win there? So I, I just wanted to hat tip Mike Gundy. Little before your time. That rant. You were pretty young, but obviously as you get into college football, he's a pretty legendary figure. And I saw his brother Kale, who used to be at Oklahoma, said he's going to coach again and I don't know, I mean, it ended pretty bad. But his resume, I mean, if you see some of these guys that can re. Get jobs, you would think that a Big 12 team or maybe an ACC team. And I think his big regret has to be, you know, Tennessee several years ago offered him the job and I knew a buddy that was going to go with him on the personnel side. And obviously Mike had slept on it and was just very, very loyal to a school that, you know, it's like Pat Fitzgerald. The school meant everything to him. I thought about this yesterday, the day he was fired, even though, I mean they had, they were like 4 and 11 over the last 15 games. I didn't, they didn't win a conference game last year. So it had gotten pretty ugly around there. Had to be pretty emotional for him in that school. It'd be like a, you know, a wife or a family member, like just, you know, just getting a divorce, like 40 plus years in, even if it's going bad. So sad day that Mike Gundy, who's just one of the integral characters in the sport of college football.
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Yeah. You were talking about how we'll probably never see a guy that was a player or assistant that loved the school and wanted to stay there forever. Just a couple of names that came to mind that are today's, I guess that could be that version of Gundy is Brent Key of Georgia Tech, Clark Lee Vanderbilt, Kenny Dillingham of asu. But it's like what you're Talking about with all this money in the sec, it's like, yeah, Kenny Dillingham, you could say you want to be on Arizona State. And the more he talks about how he loves Arizona State and he's grown up be a Sun Devil. But what if Florida offers you so and so money and you have the amount of resources that Florida has or Florida State has or all these other big schools, like, do you think that those type of guys will be loyal forever? You think money talks and it's like, okay, well I can't, I can't turn down this offer from Kenny Dillingham. But you've loved and want to build something. I respect that Kenny Dillingham wanting to stay at asu. But long term, like, we got to be real. If Florida comes knocking, you're going to go over there eventually.
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I think both the other guys that you listed, Georgia Tech and Vanderbilt, like, how do they turn down if, you know, if Kirby Smart were to ever leave or whatever, you know, go to the NFL. Georgia called. If Florida calls. If, if, if Sark, you know, couple years goes to coach Cowboys and Texas calls. It's just, it never works out that way. Now you can stay. You know, Gundy, he was making elite money even though their program. But once Oklahoma left and Texas left and the writing was kind of on the wall, but who knows if Tennessee, obviously hypo's done a really good job there. They were just in the playoffs. They're good again this year. I mean, he's running a high level program. I like to give Gundy the benefit of doubt that it would be the same thing if he was there. And if he was there, he would be in a place with more resources, that football is just more of a priority. And he's got to be thinking, God, I was loyal and ended up biting me in the ass. And who knows? I was listening to Josh Pate say that he had heard that. It's, you know, Gundy mailed it in a little bit. You know, you just get to a point where it's like, it's like an inevitable divorce, but you're still living together and you barely talk. I clearly is not going well there. But yeah, I mean, I just. Clark Lee Brinke, no chance. If you tell me in 20 years, I would bet every penny I have. I bet my home, I bet everything I have that if it goes well for the one, if it goes bad, they'll get fired. If it goes well, they just, they just kept too many opportunities. I would say both those guys couple more years of winning. They're just like the number one candidate on the board. Like, Matt Campbell would be a guy that he stayed pretty loyal, right? Yeah.
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He's been there forever, and it feels like every single name, like his name was. Was tied to the Alabama job when Saban retired. He was tied to Florida when Napier got hired. He's always been tied to certain jobs. And, you know, as we get into the five burning questions heading in this weekend on the topic of Gundy, let's talk about Dabo. You know, Gundy gets fired midseason. All this talk around Dabo Sweeney, and he's kind of frustrated with the fans, and I don't know what the word is in terms of the athletic department in the school itself. I think they want to keep Sweeney just because of the contract they're tied to. They can't really do anything with. Besides, if he wants to go, we kind of pull like a Calipari and goes to Arkansas because, you know, I'm tired of all this. This fan base is on my neck. I want to go somewhere that appreciates me, and maybe he goes to the sec. But what are your thoughts on Dabo? Could he be the next coach? Because it's a disaster right now. I mean, this Clemson team, I picked it to win the national championship. And I kind of sit back and I'm like, wait, how does this happen? How does a team with so much talent go one in three and get blown out by Syracuse at home?
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Yeah. You know, he gave that impassioned rant like a week ago.
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Yeah, like the week of.
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But all we've done is won, like eight of 10 years. We've won whatever many games we win this conference. And then after he lost to Syracuse, he was basically went the other way of like, I'm a human. This really sucks. He almost was in tears. He almost felt bad for him. But Gottlieb just. Gottlieb's an Oklahoma State guy. He's like, you know, the. Gundy's probably a more abrasive personality behind the scenes than Dabo. He said over the years, you know, Gundy had made some enemies, which happens with college football coaches because of the power. Well, when you're winning, your enemies on the. In the university have no juice. Right. You're winning 12 games, winning bowl games, they can't say shit. You start losing, those enemies gravitate toward each other and have a coalition coming for you. And that's what happened to Gundy.
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Right.
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The Dabo thing. Clemson's always had unrealistic expectations before he even. I remember they thinking, like, national championships back with Terry Bowden, when they weren't even. It was like, you have a bunch of NFL guys and you're winning eight games. Like, who do you guys think you are? Dabo did change it. But, like, things change. And listen, he didn't necessarily change. My advice would be. And who knows? Like, if you told Florida fans right now, you hire Dabo Sweeney, they probably wouldn't be that happy. Right? They'd rather have Jon Gruden, which to me is kind of crazy. Never coached in college. Two, he wasn't even that good the last time he coached for the Raiders. But, like, okay, would you take lane over Dabo? 100%. But what if Lane is, like, actually being real? Like, I don't want to leave Oxford. Right. We have the resources. If I was Dabo, I'd be working behind the scenes to try to give myself a landing spot. Because we see the way this works once the snowball kind of comes, you know, this isn't like a Norvell. Like, Dabo's been there forever. What, 23 years as an assistant, as a head coach, the pelts on the wall. So he's emotionally, like, fighting back, you know, Like, Norvell kind of had to take it on the chin last year. Right. Give money back. Davos still gets very defensive over this stuff. If I was him, I'd pivot, you know? And I think there's something in coaching where if you've been there long enough and it starts going the wrong way, maybe your message, you just need a fresh start. He's those two coordinators that he won the Natties with. Obviously got head coaching jobs. And Venables and Tony. What's the Virginia coach's name?
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Tony Elliott.
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Yeah. So, I mean, that was a trio. That was a power, right? And once those guys left, it kind of doesn't feel the same. But, yeah, man, it's. It was we obviously on a big text thread, and our main man, Shane, Syracuse, alum, and they were dancing on that grave, because they were. I was at the golf course, and I kind of watched the beginning of it. And then as the game went, it got delayed forever, right? So I thought when it got delayed, it was like, oh, this is gonna be your classic Clemson delayed. Syracuse goes, oh, we come out of the delay. We lay an egg. But they didn't.
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And.
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I would say right now they look like turnaround. Like, no, I mean, I would say six and six. Like, who knows? They could lose to anybody.
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The only thing I Would say for Dabo, obviously, the whole notion on him and them starting bad is everyone's like, well, he doesn't use the portal. Yeah, that's the reason why they're losing. Well, yes. I mean, they had three transfers, but they're ranked, like, 4, 45th in terms of, like, the transfer portal rankings. The only hesitancy I would have if I did grab Dabo, if I was Florida or another school would be, hey, you're going to have to open up to what's going on in college football. You're going to have to open up to the new style of adapting and going into the portal. Not saying you got to be like a Bill belichick and grab 45 guys or Deion Sanders and grab 15. But if you're Florida and you're Dabo Sweeney, you're telling me you can't grab eight of the top 50 transfer portal guys. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's something that people.
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Well, he runs, like, a company that he views it. If I don't get to vet the guy when they're like, 16, 17, 18, I don't touch them. Their big thing is, like, the type guys they bring into the family, right? It's like, bro, you have to learn all these other programs are quote, unquote, vetting these guys in the transfer portal. You know, you're probably not landing someone in the transfer portal, too, that doesn't. At a school like that, like Ohio State. Think who they got in the transfer portal. Guys from, like, Alabama. Right. Or guys within their conference that they know. You don't have to just get, like, random dude. Like, you should have some. That's part of your personnel department. So I'm with you. Like, it's. But if he won't do some self reevaluation, then, yeah, then maybe it's just gonna end really badly and no one will touch him. But it's. I think it's gonna get uglier as the year goes because all. All it would take, like, Syracuse, obviously a, you know, solid program, but you lose to one of these, like, not very good teams. They play North Carolina this week?
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Yeah. No, they have a bye week and they play North Carolina next week.
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Yeah, something like that happens. Like UNC beats them, then. Then it'll feel like dab. I. I just jump ship. And it'd be one of those where it's just like a clean break, you know, the buyout stuff. Hey, you can go Calipari style. And I think he'd have to entertain that and it's not because like he gets so defensive. I won championship. Yeah, that's, that's the path. Watson, you know whose NFL career is over? Like what are we talking about? Trevor Lawrence. Like Trevor Lawrence has been in the league for how many years and he won the championship when he was a true freshman. When he beat Alabama now he'd be like well we were in the playoffs last year kind of lucky. I mean he started the season, he lost by 100. Kirby's probably seventh best Georgia team.
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It doesn't help that his quarterback stinks too. I mean Cade club's been horrible. If he does go to Florida, it's like I don't know.
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He's missed on quarter, he's missed on quarterbacks now.
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Yeah, back to back since Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Dju, I think they had Hunter Johnson who was a bad, bad player. So yeah, you're right. Speaking of quarterbacks, a guy that Oklahoma didn't miss. But a tragic injury, Oklahoma quarterback John Matier out for three plus weeks. Broken bone on the right throwing hand. I'm not much of a doctor but that type of injury with the team with so much momentum and I guess the hindsight positive about this is it's now when they have a bye week, they play Kent State next week. It's a bummer about Red river, but who knows if he grinds it out and maybe he plays that football game but they're going to need him to throw the football against that Texas defense. I mean he's going to be out three weeks before that grueling start of their schedule where they got South Carolina, Mizzou, lsu, Alabama, Tennessee. What was your take in response to this? Because I mean this guy was the face of college football. And now it seems like Oklahoma's in a little bit of a panic after this injury kind of came came to be.
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I'm always hesitant with the weeks. It's like are we sure? Three weeks. That seems pretty optimistic.
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Fast. Yeah.
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Yeah. Especially throwing hand. I do wonder. I'm sure Venables and they'll talk about it this week I guess because they have the bi week. Maybe their press conference schedule is a little off. That's why they were able to hide it. You know the, the adrenaline coming out of that game. Maybe he got hit in the hand, didn't even realize played through it and the next day it's swollen, he can't move it. And a little lucky. They have a buy this week in Kent State. But it really sucks for that Red river game that all of A sudden was looking like, because if you're Oklahoma, you got to be thinking, we're a playoff team.
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We got one of the, we got.
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One of the best defenses. We got this quarterback who can run and throw. We just got a lot of good vibes. And now all of a sudden we could just lose to Texas in the shitty version of Arch. And all of a sudden then our backs against the wall and do we rush the guy back? It sucks. I mean, that was.
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I don't know what else to say.
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Beside that's, I guess could be worse. It's not like a devastating end of the year injury, but broken bone on your hand. I'm sure he's going to have to wear a splinter or a cast for a minute. You just, you never know how it recovers. What if he can't grip the ball in three weeks? Really sucks for him. I mean, because they. I don't want to say like national championship, but if you're an Oklahoma fan, you. Well, we got a high level defense that translates and if our offense is just solid with this quarterback, why couldn't we be in like the Final Four?
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Yeah.
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And you just lose. All of a sudden you lose to Texas and he's not ready the next week, you could just lose a couple games in the SEC and it's just too much to overcome when he does come back because they could, they could easily lose a game with him. I mean, hell, they had 10 sacks in the game. Was close last week. Now Auburn, it turns out, I think is pretty solid this year, but which was a really good win. They've had a couple really good wins at home, but they got some tough road games and obviously the Texas game is just the neutral site game. So who is our backup quarterback? The little guy from last year?
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Yeah. So it's the sophomore Michael Hawkins Jr. Which I kind of, I mean, we talk about Arch playing bad and how dominant Oklahoma's defense is. This situation versus last year Michael Hawkins Jr. Who's a sophomore and he's kind of that same athletic dual threat quarterback. He's in a better situation this year because one, you got Ben Arbuckle, who's a better play caller than what they had last year. Two, when he was playing Texas, their top five wide receivers were hurt. So now you've got more wide receiver health back this year. Your offensive lines improved. Now the one thing would be he played in Red river last year against that Texas defense and he looked like he was seeing ghosts. So how was that going to be?
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It was, it was Atrocious.
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Yeah, it was very bad last year. So you hope that he improves this year on that front. But my biggest concern with them is they can't run the football at all. I mean Jayden Ott, the Cal transfer, we talked in the pre preseason how excited, you know, Nagy talking about this Cal transfer guy coming in and what he did with Jaden Ott at Cal last year and this year he's only had like nine carries for 17 yards, hasn't really played. So it's like you don't have a running game to compliment with Hawkins Jr. Like yeah, you want to be able to run the football with him. What Mater was usage with Hawkins, but you can't run the football with him and you want to have a quarterback that couldn't throw the ball at all against Texas, had a couple throws, maybe against Auburn. Like it's just kind of a skeptical situation for Oklahoma where Hawkins is getting into a better situation but like you're not helping him in terms of the running game that you've had before. So it's just kind of an all a puzzling situation for Hawkins Jr. You just kind of hope and pray that, that I don't know, Mater gets back. But do you want to rush him with the schedule you have moving forward? It just kind of all becomes a puzzling situation to a team that basically won September.
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Yeah, tough spot.
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Super tough spot.
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Let's move on to the biggest games of the weekend.
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Oregon at 3 Penn State the question is, will James Franklin finally win the big one? He's 1 in 17 against top 10 Big 10 opponents. Or will Oregon prove they're the new national power?
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You know what's funny, I was just thinking about this is that like some coaches that are really polarizing, like after he lost to Florida State, everyone's like fire Kaylin DeBoer, he beat Georgia last year. So like the moment you win one of those games it's like that's just a huge win on your resume. Remember Brian Kelly? I think his first year beat Sabid in a walk off touchdown and it was pretty sweet, like the corner of the end zone, like quick little out and it was awesome. So it's like sometimes when you're, you know, you just get a big win early, it just takes, we can bitch and moan like oh, he doesn't win enough games. But you, no one can argue like can you win the big game? And both those guys are bad examples because Kalin won a bunch of big games at Washington beaten, you know, Dan Lanning and Kyle Whittingham and Steve Sarkeesian. And obviously Kelly has won big games over the years with Notre Dame. But this guy has been in a program that has just pumped out NFL guys I think we all think is really good, which is crazy because they, they feel as good if not better than last year. And they're missing two guys. Abdul Carter and Tyler Warren are like lock first team, all rookie players. Right? They're elite. Both those two guys elite players. So you know, it's not very often since Lanning has been there, and honestly, since Mario, like, Oregon has been like a legit. We don't think you're going to win this game. So it's like kind of an easy spot for him to kind of rally the troops. If James can't, eventually you're either going to win a game like this or you just. Maybe he's never going to. It's going to be one of those. Yeah, he just can never beat anyone good. So I got burned by them against you guys last year when. When Alice threw that thing across his body. That's the thing. It's. He. He plays in these games, like Ohio State last year. It's like he's right there, Notre Dame. He's either winning or like he's down a touchdown, but he's on the goal line. And then you look back, you're like, how did he lose that game? Or how did he not? How did they end up just running out the clock and they didn't even score? It's last year, remember they. They got stuffed at the goal line against Ohio State and then Ohio State ran the ball out against Oregon in the championship game. I remember they kind of. You could tell Oregon was better, which that's why it was kind of ironic that then Oregon got curb stomped against Ohio State. They didn't even look like. They look like a different team. I mean, I want to pick Penn State here, but I've been burned by him a couple times. It would be just a nice win. Everyone could exhale a little bit because then I think they win this game, especially if they want it by like a touchdown or more and look, you know, like the better team. I think a lot of people would start being like, okay, them, Miami, whoever the cream of the crop is in the sec, like, this is the top three or four teams that can win the national championship. And I think people are still hesitant on Penn State. This is a huge game for them. This is big. And that place is awesome. Right? Night game, Whiteout. I just think Oregon. It doesn't feel like very often they get to just kind of like, let it fly.
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Yeah, I agree. And I think if it's not now, then when is it going to be for James Franklin? I mean, this is a quarterback coming in that hasn't had a road environment, road game like this in his career. So that's like the biggest question mark with Dante Moore. But you've seen him the last couple games, even though they haven't played anybody, like, some of the placements on these balls, the accuracy from him. He doesn't look like Will Stein. And his ability to develop quarterbacks is pretty insane. Like, he's one of the more underrated coaches in college football. And they got a freshman at wide receiver, so you wonder how he's going to adapt against Penn State's defense. And like you said, like a wideout game. They're coming off of a bye week or Oregon's not. But I don't know, man, this Oregon team and how talented they are in the trenches on both sides. And Dan Lanning's ability to recruit. Like, you're right, the pressure is all on James Franklin. You'd rather win this game versus having to win a must win at Ohio State, Something they haven't done since 2011, something that even James Franklin hasn't even done even when they had Saquon. And you know, all those studs on offense, they still are not able to. You talk about that game too, when, when J.T. barrett the last second through that pass, I forget to who. Maybe Garrett Wilson or Terry McLaurin. But this, this, to me, you're right. It's the biggest, biggest game for Penn State. I kind of would love to see Oregon win this game just to see the panic of James Franklin and see how much sleep he can't get for the rest of the season if they do lose this football game. But watch out for, for Oregon's got some studs. That Kenyan Sadiq, the tight end out of Oregon, he'll be a guy that's playing on Sundays. He could be a guy that explodes and opens up the running game for Oregon.
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I think the problem, whoever loses this game is throughout a season, it's inevitable that good teams will just be like, hey, tie game against Rutgers, fourth quarter. And every once in a while, remember, I think I will beat one of the Urban Meyer teams. Like, there are big, big upsets in these big conferences because it's hard to play your best football 12 weeks. But even if you get upset, if you're Penn State and you win this game, it's like, okay, you lose. Let's say you lose a random game to one of these teams on the road, that you probably are a big favorite. We don't. We. Oh, you just didn't take him as seriously. But we take you serious. We know what your ceiling is. This is a really important game for Penn State from a ceiling standpoint. I want to. I want to like him, but I'm with you. I think, you know, Lanning got something pretty special there. And the thing with Moore is Athletically, arm strength, like, he's an elite blue chipper. Everyone's, you know, loves Bryce Underwood. Like, that's kind of what more is, you know, in terms of, like, the total package of what he can bring to the table. No one remembers watching him a couple years ago with Chip Kelly's offense, and he was atrocious, but he was thrown in on a bad team in a year when the Pac 12 was good, you know, and he got. It went bad, and then he kind of got. It's pretty rare to go to Oregon reset. He was supposed to go to Oregon out of high school. He was a huge recruit. And then Chip somehow flipped him because I think he realized I could start there. And he got to kind of sit behind Dylan Gabriel last year. And by all accounts, I mean, it's crazy how positive. Obviously he's playing well, but the way that they've been talking about him really.
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Since the spring feels like too, a lot of top quarterbacks, you know, Nussmeier, Arch, all this preseason hype on a bunch of quarterbacks haven't been playing to the expectations. And a guy that's kind of been under the radar, that hasn't played as well versus bad competition is Drew Aller. Like, that's another name for him. It's like, okay, this is a big game for you to kind of get that national spotlight. What will this offense look like? You mentioned Tyler Warren. They're going to be able to run the football with Allen and Singleton. They ran for over 300 yards against Penn or against Oregon in the Big Ten championship game. Still lost that game. So I'm wondering from. From Penn State's offensive standpoint, are they gonna be able to throw against Oregon? Like, are these transfer wide receivers. They're going to mesh well because it's easy to mesh well against fiu, Villanova and all these teams.
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But.
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But we're third and eight. How are you. What are you going to do, you know, against this Oregon defense and Drew Aller? Like, this is like a showtime type of game for him in terms of an NFL draft standpoint. I don't know where you stand on him, but this is like a prove a game for him when all the other quarterbacks are kind of down. This is like a Heisman type of moment for both quarterbacks.
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Yeah, I mean, to me, he's got three or four games this year. They're going to define his draft status because no one cares what he did against FIU or Nevada, what he does against Oregon, what he does against Ohio State. If they make the conference championship game and then, and then the playoff games. He plays well. I mean he's going to be a top 1015 pick, right? Because the measurables, the arm strength, the improvement that he's made over a three year period. So I think there's a lot of. Now he shits the bed, all of a sudden he could disappear and he could disappear fast, you know, so it's, I don't know, he makes me nervous.
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Speaking of shit the bed and possibly disappearing, a guy that not too hot in Alabama right now is Kalyn DeBoer. They go Georgia 17, Alabama at five. Georgia. The question is, can Kaylin DeBoer finally win a big road game? He's one and oh. Against Kirby Smart. Kirby smarts one in six against Alabama all time. Or will Georgia's longest home streak, 33 game win streak, continue to hold against Alabama?
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I will say this, the stench and the stink of the Florida State loss I think is worse because people expected Florida State to really suck. And I think Florida State is going to be pretty good. So I think that game could age pretty well. And listen, they got their butt kicked. The eye test was bad, right? That was part of it. The eye test was like kind of like the Ravens against the Lions. Like you kind of got worked, you know, it wasn't like 100 to nothing but it was whatever. They lost by a couple touchdowns. But it looked worse in the final score. I'll say this about Kalin. He beats good coaches when he's gone head to head. We said this with Lanning, with Kyle Whittingham, he's just last year with Kirby Smart. Like he's done really well in these type moments. Now I don't really. The young quarterback has looked better like Alabama's clearly looked a lot better since they played Florida State. Now they haven't played anybody. You know, Georgia really got tested. Like Georgia showed something like they got like that win against Tennessee was impressive. Like that they easily could have lost. Not only, you know, the way it ended, but they were down what, 217 on the road. You probably couldn't hear yourself think that thing could have got away from them. So you know, the metal, the championship kind of mindset that Kirby brings. It's Saban like so I think there's probably more mentally tough in Georgia. Like you said, you know, they're one in six. You'd be like, well Kirby's been there like a decade. They don't play each other that often. Like for a long time they were just Playing each other in the conference championship game. It's not like on a yearly rotation like lsu. So it's hard. Like you know, I'm so used to Bama. LSU or lsu, Florida or Georgia, Tennessee. This, this game, when we do get it in the regular season, we've got a back to back years now. I think it was pretty stunning last year the way it transpired. Now I know they came storming back and Carson Beck just started throwing bombs. I mean it's kind of like Russell Wilson. You just throw, go routes and post rides. You're going to hit some and. Or when you hit them you can score touchdowns and then you could be down 28 points and all of a sudden it's you know, a one score game. But like you're up 28. Nothing on an opponent like they came out the gates. That's the Caitlin Dubois thing. I remember when they beat, when he was at Washington, he beat Oregon in the Pac12 championship. They start so fast. If Bama starts fast, they're winning this game. I don't see Bama like down 177 and coming back. But if you tell me this is one of your Calen Dubois great game plans and it's like 13 to 3 at the end of the first quarter. Obviously you have to hold on. That's the way usually these games play out. But I like Bama wins if they start fast. If they don't and they're trailing, I'm out. You could argue live bet this game if that's the way you want to take it. But you know with Deborah like they start fast, they did against in the chat in the final four against Sark, like he jumps out to the leads because game plans, him and Grub historically have been elite.
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Yeah and it feels like when they don't start fast, Vanderbilt, Oklahoma, Tennessee last year. That's when they tend to the effort defensively gets gets weak the self inflicted penalties. Deboer kind of is a little quiet pacing up down the sideline.
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Well that's why he's not a rah rah. Like Kirby's a rally the troops guy, right? Saban Urban. These guys are crazy SOBs. The Harbaugh brothers. Dan Campbell like Andy Reid bumping into Travis Kelsey which isn't even Andy style but he's got it in his back pocket. That is Kaylin DeBoer is not a yeller and a screamer. It's clear right? He so to me he's more of a slow, steady, offensive cerebral mind which he gets ahead of you then he starts Working his magic. He's behind Kirby Fine. Right, Dabo Historically, when his teams were good, he has a lot of juice. It's not really Brian Kelly. I don't know if his screams are heard, but he'll start screaming at you.
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Yeah, he'll be screaming a ton. That's one thing too about this game. You know, we talked preseason about Alabama and Georgia. The one thing that you can't really harsh on. The biggest question mark for both teams was the quarterbacks. Ty Simpsons looked impressive. It wasn't his fault against Florida State. His offensive line basically got bullied. And then Gunner Stockton, that fourth and eighth throw he had in a London Humphreys in that Tennessee game. Game on the line, absolute dime, over the shoulder throw. I think it's me interesting to see which quarterback. But more importantly, it seems like this year for Georgia Alabama, there's not a lot of buzz on both sides of the offensive defensive line. And maybe it was like last year around this time when Georgia Alabama played is when we found out the names of Mikel Williams and Jalen Walker and they kind of like soared throughout the rest of the season. But it feels like in this game, obviously, you know, the trenches battle whoever wins the trenches trench is going to win. But both offensive lines and defensive lines are shaky. So you wonder, I guess, which quarterback's going to perform and which who's going to kind of be dominant on both sides.
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You know, you're probably deeper on the, like the college Reddit boards and the rumors. I see the Landry Kiffin thing, but one thing I've heard people say is Carson Beck wasn't that well liked toward the end. Like, the players didn't like him and Gunner Stockton's like one of the dudes. And that, that was a big, like, selling point this offseason. And it's like, well, why I'm watching Carson back in Miami. He actually looks fine. Like, yeah, he might be a weird guy, might not have all the friends on the team, but like, if you can, if you're better at football than this guy, it does give you the better chance to win. And that's where it was huge for Gunner Stockton in that Tennessee moment to go on the road and win that game. Because one thing to be liked, you know, inevitably it's like, can this guy help us win or not? And he made huge plays. And, you know, people were very critical of his greatest teams with Stetson Bennett, like, is this guy good enough? This double walk on, like, what the hell are we doing this Georgia, Matt Stafford, Aaron Murray, like guys you can draft really high. Even Carson Beck was discussed like a number one overall pick, Gunner Stockton. But if he can like you're not playing Tua, right or Jalen hurts or one of his Bryce Young like this is Ty Simpson who again solid player but I mean I, I don't think anyone's viewing him a couple games into his career as like a top pick by any means. He has more I would say of like a Stetson Bennett type feel to him which again sets a Bennett remember in their championship game had some incredible throws so he's still in the league for on the Rams the third string quarterback. I I just think that the whoever, whatever quarterback, one of these quarterbacks is going to the bed in one of these games and I don't know who.
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To your point, I feel like even Ty Simpson in Alabama, Brian Grubb and Kaylin DeBoer kind of rally around a guy like him. That's a pocket passer versus Jalen Milro. And you know, maybe it was the offensive scheme, maybe it was just Jalen Melro not be able to read the short intermediate routes, but it felt like anytime that something wasn't open, Milro was so like eager to get out of the pocket and run, whereas Ty Sims has got a setback. They've got a good receiver trio. Like both sides have really good wide receivers and tight ends. That's what's going to be fun about this matchup is like you said, like who's going to kind of step up between those two quarterbacks and who's going to kind of shit the bed? Yeah, a lot of answers for both teams like this could go either way. But you just at Georgia at home, it's just like it's tough for me not to root for Georgia and lean Georgia there. But another SEC game, LSU at Ole Miss. You talked about it. Landry Kiffin Lane Kiffin's daughter the week of. I don't know if that's a Lane thing. I don't know if Lane Drew Kiffin wants to just kind of stir the pot or maybe get more fame because she's obviously been the discussion the entire time. Well, she hard launched Whit Weeks, who's the linebacker from LSU at 18 tackles last year against Ole Miss, one sack. This is kind of another game too, like Alabama, Georgia, where we'll get a lot of answers, but LSU more importantly, kind of fraud, some are saying fraudulent. That game against Clemson looked impressive on the road, but Clemson hasn't panned out. Ole Miss is kind of, you know, on the rise. Can they expose LSU as pretenders? But this to me, the question for this game, is LSU a legit playoff national contender or will Ole Miss expose them as pretenders in this matchup?
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I would say if LSU is, they win this game. I mean, their defense has been unreal offensively. I mean, a couple people thought that he was a top pick. You know, I don't know if his skill set historically is like a top 10 pick, but he might just be the best of this group in. Nussmeier helps. You know, he's clearly like a coach's kid, super smart. But his skill set, you know, it's. To me, it's much closer to some of the average guys than it is like the elite tools guys. Now. Football is about more than that, right? But I also think if, you know, Lane wins this game, he would have beat Brian Kelly two of the last three years. When Brian has NFL. Did he beat him last year? I forget. Yeah, he's definitely over time, he's kind of. He's kind of. He's kind of owned Brian Kelly, right? And Brian's had Jaden Daniels and Nussmeier. And now it's one thing like he loses dart, he's got this quarterback situation, but also you win this game, all of a sudden, to me, he becomes the number one candidate if I'm Florida, right? And then I think that kind of just builds on each other, on itself. You were telling me his documentary is coming out. He clearly quit drinking. He looks fantastic. He's lost a bunch of weight. He does feel like a different guy. And there is no disputing, like his offensive prowess now because defensively they're clearly not as good. But scoring points, he has dominated with different coordinators. A couple of years ago, right? Levy was his oc. He's now at Mississippi State. Like, Lane's really good. And I'M sure he gets this from his dad. He's been around football his whole life, putting together staffs, different guys. I just think you win this game, complete ownage over Brian Kelly and we just start talking about this guy of like I don't know how you'd argue that his status as one of the top coaches like he's not coaching at Texas or Georgia or Ohio State. Like this is a place that I think when he won double digit games a couple years ago, back to back years, the first time it ever happened in the history of the program. So. And he's doing it, you know, new transfer Portal King or whatever he's known as. I just have a hard time picking Lane against now at home. He's kind of been bitching this week that the games during the day. He's like if we were at lsu, you know that thing be a night game. If we're at Georgia, you know that thing's gonna be a night game. They play here. The sun's out but Lane's pretty good at doing those jabs. That's why if you told me like did he tell her to do that to know like his fan base would start fucking with him. I think he's involved, you know, because not like he doesn't know his daughter's dating her. I mean anyone that follows the family on social media, they're pretty tight knit group.
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If he does this with. I think one thing about Lane Kiffin that's underrated too is his ability to grab quarterbacks out of everywhere. Like their quarterback that's going to play this game. Not a lot of people know him. He played the last two games against Tulane in Arkansas but his name's Trinidad Chambliss and he was a transfer from Ferris State, Division 2 national champion. He's kind of coming to the scene and he was, he came in and spring transfer Portal and a bunch of people were like who's this guy from Ferris State? Who's this Division 2 guy? Oh well Austin Simmons is going to start 19 year old, four star. Like he was the backup behind Jackson dart. He gets hurt against Kentucky, throws two interceptions. This Chambers guy comes in and the team around him, the fan base is around him. Their offense looks a lot more explosive and he's kind of that dual threat. He's 6:1 if he goes in and beats Brian Kelly with this Guy, a Division 2 transfer coming in, he's only played two games, played Division 2 well you got Garrett Nussmeier who played all last year. He's had A rough start, but he's got more, you know, starts under his belt in the sec. Like you want to talk about stunting your nuts on the SEC and I don't know, on Brian Kelly, you win this big ball game. Oh my gosh.
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Like I would say though, and I've been a part of smaller schools at Cal Poly and Fresno State. You do have guys that are playing there that could go to a top program and be an immediate impact guy.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's the one thing cool about the transfer portal is you get like Jared Verse from Albany going to Florida State or this situation where before he probably just would have played at Ferris State, right. His whole career and like some scout bangs the table and he goes in the sixth or seventh round and you're like, what? Who they draft? And nowadays like that guy is just like the D1 double A guys and the D2 guys. I know the way these personnel departments would just give me who's the MVP of the league, who's the stat leader. We should just get some evaluation on them, see if it's worth it. And then boom, you start DMing them and you don't know. I bet when they did it like it was like this kind of a diamond, they didn't expect him to start. Right. Because like you said, Jackson darts backup, highly recruited guy. But hey, if we can find a depth piece as a backup quarterback from Montana or Ferris State or whatever, let's do it. And that's what, that's what sucks about those little schools. They never had to. If you're a Ferris State 20 years ago and you had a potential seventh round pick or whatever, you didn't need to worry about some SEC school calling them. That never happened.
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That's one thing I do think is cool about the portal is this year seeing it like John Matiere went from Washington State explodes. Joey Aguilar from abstate to Tennessee explodes. This guy. Like I think it is cool. It sucks for the smaller schools for sure to cool for the kids, those guys, but it is cool like to see those guys get the opportunity and transfer. And, and I just think I agree overall, like programs like Ole Miss, programs like Oklahoma that are going in experience, these guys at smaller schools, even Indiana with Fernando Mendoza and what they did with Curtis Rourke, like experience is always going to have an experienced quarterback that's seen a lot of football, no matter what the level is. To your point about Division 2, they're going to have immediate success versus a guy like Austin Simmons that, yeah, he played against Georgia Last year and had that sick drive. But he's 19 years old. Like it's going to take him a little developmental stuff to get to the level of Chambliss. LSU wise, you saw lsu, Brian Kelly break out about after that Florida game. They had five interceptions. The defense has been outstanding with Blake Baker. You think, you think Brian Kelly, this game with Ole Miss, they can't. Their rushing defense is horrible. Like the emphasis to run the football. It feels like for Brian Kelly to just get that monkey off his back, it's like, can we run the football against Ole Miss or am I just going to get discussed about this the entire season? Like their offense has been kind of questionable and you wonder if a game like this, they can't get it going against Ole Miss if it's going to go for the rest of the season.
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Yeah. To me, if their offense can't get going, then they're not a national title contender. And I think if they were to lose this game, you would start questioning like are they are like they could lose other SEC games. You know, that game against Bama would be hard. You would just start saying that I wouldn't trust them as much. What's crazy to me is LSU, it felt like Louisiana always had like DBs, D linemen. Right. Running backs. How are they not just have some sweet running back? Yeah, I, I don't, I don't get it. You know what's it. Justice Haynes, the running back from Michigan. That was the transfer from Bama. That's the other thing. The transfer portal. You should be all over a guy or two to be able to land just a serviceable like yeah, this guy's like a fifth round pick. I'm not even talking like second round pick. But they can't run the ball. Like that's a little concerning. Which wouldn't. You're a Notre Dame guy. I mean, always hung his hat on just running the ball down people's throats.
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At Notre Dame, yeah, they got two guys where you're right. I mean LSU went out in the portal for the first time. They grabbed a bunch of DBs, go grabbed a bunch of receivers. And Durham's a good player, but it's almost like the offensive line has issues more than even Durham. So I mean, yeah, you could pass the ball you want, but at the end of the day, like you said, you got to establish the running game.
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Saban said this forever when he transitioned over the last like six years is as the game changed. Even if you're the best defensive coach and he clearly was. And you have great defensive players. You need to score points in this modern day football the way it's officiated. You can't just crush people over the middle. Your players get tossed out of games so you can't intimidate as much physically. You've got it. And what did they do? What did Alabama do under him? They got heavy. Heavy on offense, like emphasized it more than ever. And you know, obviously LSU's offense, a couple like if you put the Jayden Daniels offense with this defense, I would say they would, they would be the best team in the country. And that's where Miami is. Like their defense is elite and their offense looks good, but we don't see any like the elite offenses also have the good defenses. Everything's just been a little off kilter, you would say the last couple of years with like a complete team. Ohio State found at the end last year.
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Yeah, I agree.
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And they were also pretty rare, right? They had like this really, really experienced defense with all these like fourth and fifth year guys that have been there forever and then they, the quarterback got hot and they had, you know, incredible offensive skill guys.
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The last question, there's not, there's not.
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A team like that in the country. I would say that's like as good top to bottom as Ohio State. Right. Ohio State last year when they were playing well is better than any team this year, I would say.
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Yeah, I agree. And that's what I think is great about this year. It feels more wide open than last year which has kind of been good transition for the 16 playoff. That's going to get hopefully figured out in the off season and then that will probably go next year, which it's great. More football, the academic calendar, the transfer portal, I don't know how it's going to deal with. But the last question I got, last burning question, who in your mind is the best team in the country right now after September, heading into week five, who do you think is the best team in college football right now?
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From just a talent standpoint, you would say the most complete team would probably be Miami. But their coach, you know, of all these top guys is the biggest wild card. I mean we can talk shit about Brian Kelly or Kalin. I mean those guys have won a lot more big games than this guy. This guy's blown a lot of them. And excellent recruiter. The guy knows talent. Give him credit on hiring this defensive coordinator. Their defense looks incredible. The Carson Beck's thing, which I thought was a joke, I mean it's been A pretty good move for him. You know, it's not like Mario's cutting the check. Why does he care whether guys making a million or 4 million, not his problem. But like, do I trust that guy? Playoff game after playoff game after playoff game. Listen, say what you want. Like I was down on Ryan Day, but even going into the playoffs last year, like he had won big games before, right? And been in a lot of big games. Mario feels like he's lost every one of his big games up until this year. But they look pretty good right now. They definitely look pretty good. And you know, the ACC is not as hard, so they should be a little, I would say fresher than whatever SEC team or Big Ten team that they face. You know, if they run the table or even go, what, 12 and 1, assuming they win the ACC championship game, they will get a buy. So. And you got a defensive line like, it's just like Carson Beck, Mario Cristobal, like, can you, can you envision those guys on the podium, January, whatever, holding the trophy? That'd be pretty great. That'd be pretty nuts.
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Their odds are still high too. I think they're like + 1400. So I think the sportsbooks are still even a little hesitant, even though they look like the most complete team. In your point. I think the one question mark to your point about Mario crystal ball and the coaching decisions, they haven't been on the road this season. They go at Florida State next week. So that's one of those games on the road. Tight game, back and forth, comes down to the wire. Like, how does Mario crystal ball, does he make the correct coaching decision that than what he did against Syracuse last year when they probably should have went for it, they kicked the field goal and they ended up not getting the ball back for the rest of the game. So those little things, like, that's the one question mark I would have with Miami, but they look so complete, like.
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Was it Georgia, was it Georgia Tech last year where they ran the ball, fumbled and then the dude drove and scored? He had one. He had one of those moments in Oregon too. He just had. I, I guess part of. It's probably a little unfair how critical we are, but he's had some historic last minute, like epic losses like that are. Of all the top teams. No, James Franklin has lost two good teams, but I don't remember, like legendary losses like Mario has multiple of them at Oregon and obviously the one last year, the Georgia Tech, he literally could have just kneeled it and won the game, runs it, fumbles and Then the dude hits two passes and he loses. That was crazy. Now, in fairness, it's not like their team was going to win the Natty last year because their defense sucked and their defense is clearly a lot better. And that's the one area where you can just flip a switch, like Texas Tech or Miami. You buy the right players, buy the right coach, you can flip it way faster at the highest level. LSU this year with, you know, I mean, they. The defensive coordinator was there last year, too, but, you know, it's like you, you can just do it quicker than you used to, where it's like, oh, we got to wait for a couple recruiting classes. It's like, you wait one spring, you're like off and running.
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People in the comments are probably wondering, you know, why didn't you pick Ohio State? Why didn't you pick Georgia? I think Ohio State you talked about, or you're going to talk about it with Stuckey. That released on Friday, Ohio State at Washington, that'll be kind of a test with Julian saying, going on the road. I think Georgia probably is the most impressive win so far at Tennessee, the way they battled in that football game. But what would you say, I guess, to the people that are like, well, Ohio State, why aren't they the best team right now, or Georgia or some other teams? It's kind of like you can't really pinpoint who's the best team right now because like you said, like, now we're starting to get into conference play this weekend, we're going to start to get answers. And then obviously, when October, November starts to play out, like, it just feels so wide open this year.
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That's what I think is cool. Like last year in basketball, remember, it was like 41 seeds made the Final Four. And for, for really most of the Saban era, you kind of knew by now, like, top three or four teams. It does feel like, what the hell is the difference between Bama, Georgia, LSU and Ole Miss? If you told me any one of those four were in the Final Four, I wouldn't be stunned at all. Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State. If you told me any of those teams were rolling in the playoffs, in the national championship, would not be surprised. I mean, I just listed seven teams I haven't even factored in. Like, unlike last year, you know, it turns out Boise and even asu, they weren't. Like, Texas Tech has way more NFL guys, especially on defense, than those two teams. It's like, why couldn't Texas Tech just take down like a Penn State in the Second round, like that's on the table. Florida State, like you said, they play each other. What if Florida State's good? I mean a couple of years ago they went 13 and oh. Or I guess was, yeah, 13 because they won the conference championship. And the only reason they weren't in the champion or the final four was the quarterback shattered his leg. But now looking back, it's like, God, well, the 49ers, Renardo Green, starter Fisk and reverse Keon Coleman. Like that team was loaded with NFL guys that start on playoff teams. Some of the best teams in the NFL. So you could argue it's like legitimate 12 deep and the team, whatever the non power four team, like what a waste of a spot because that team's got no shot.
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It's none. It sucks. Like I love South Florida, great win at Florida, but you got rolled against Miami. And to your point, like you even mentioned Indiana's better this year. What if Michigan gets in at 10 and 2? They look better with Bryce Underwood. But Stromore, I don't know how good of a coach.
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I think the Big Ten, I think the Big Ten the last couple of years then I like watching. We were talking about like Rutgers, Iowa is clearly better. It's just deeper. You know that the SEC used to always say that like oh yeah, you guys got Ohio State or Michigan if they're good, right. Your top teams are as good as ours. But like three through eight, like it's way harder to play Ole Miss, right? Or even a shitty Florida team. Like buckle up. I feel like the Big Ten is pretty good. I mean watching Rutgers is not bad, right? Iowa, their offense, but they are a tough team to play. Like Minnesota is going to be solid. Obviously adding Washington and now that USC is clearly better. I think the Big tens the last 18 months is better than it has been in terms of the, the aggregate, the whole Notre Dame. I mean I think if Notre Dame runs the table, they're clearly. I mean they lost two teams that are probably going to go win a combined 20, 21 games.
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I feel like they might have to join a conference soon though.
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Well, they're going to.
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Yeah. Big 10, Big 10 or SEC. Do you think it even matters? I know the SEC, the ACC are doing this, which I like the non conference game and them having. I don't know if it's gonna be the middle of the season or beginning, but they're gonna have to play another conference. Do you think it matters that which conference is better in college football? Because I guess that's kind of a way for the cfp. If you get an advantage in terms of more teams, you get more money. And it just seems like every day we always talk back and forth, Big Ten versus sec, where I'm like, does it really, does it really matter? Or it's just kind of bragging rights, I guess.
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Well, I think the current way it does with the, with the 12 teams, perception matters a lot. So it's like the ACC and the Big 12, especially the perception that their conference isn't as good. Like, oh, there's getting one team. It's kind of like universally accepted, the acc, like, it would take Florida and Miami, Florida State and Miami basically being they can only lose to each other and then win every other game. And then the other team would have to beat that team in the conference championship game. But we don't talk about that. Like with the Big Ten, even Indiana, once they beat Illinois, it's like, oh, maybe Indiana's real again. So I think that. And they. Both those conferences have earned it. But I do think the perception really, really matters. And it's correct.
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Like, I do believe the Big Ten.
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And the SEC are better than the other two. Like, the Big 12 is clearly, to me, like, Texas Tech is probably pretty good. We'll see tcu, asu. But there is a drop off. Like when I watch Colorado, like, how many games would Colorado win if you put them in the Big Ten or the sec? Like, I don't think they would go to bowl games. And who knows? We'll see what their final record is this year. I mean, they might be struggling to get six, seven wins, but like, that's where the middle tier team, like, let's say Colorado wins six, seven games. Like, are they going six or seven games? They're playing the sec, no shot.
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And that's.
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This is. I'm just, I'm not picking on Dion. You could use, I could use asu, the same thing. If I put this ASU team in the SEC or the Big Ten, like, they might go 10 and 2 or 9 and 3 this year. Well, they, I saw him lose to Mississippi State on the road. Right. So what would happen when they, like, what would they do against Florida's defense? Who's, well, you know, who knows, Florida might tap out here in a week or two because their coach gets fired. But like, would you say if ASU had to go on the road to Florida this year, like, they would score many points against that defense? Probably not. And that's no shot at asu? I mean, Florida, but that's the sec. It's like, I bet if I texted the NFL buddy, like, how many NFL guys does Florida have on defense? He'd be like, that are upperclassmen or lower classmen. Because probably 10 out of 11 guys, when you factor in, like, when they're eligible. Right. And that you can't say that about. That's what you can't say about the Big 12 or the ACC. But I actually think the ACC, if cows. I know they just lost San Diego State, it's probably a little better. So I would rank the ACC slightly above the Big 12. And maybe I'm just giving more credit to, like, Miami, Florida State, Georgia. I mean, Georgia Tech clearly pretty good.
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Yeah. I think the Big 12, I think it's good for college football that we have one conference that's got a bunch of teams that's competitive. You got eight teams deep. Like, you talk tcu, Arizona State.
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It's a fun team. It's a fun conference to watch.
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Yeah. But if you're the commissioner and he's been super outspoken that they want to get multiple teams in the playoff, you're going to have to hope that Arizona State somehow, some way, not the booster of the level of Texas Tech, but you got to hope that Arizona State somehow gets a lot of money. You got to hope that maybe, I don't know, another Texas team in. In the Big 12 or maybe Colorado starts to get more money. You got to hope some of those powerhouses in the Big 12 start to get more money where you can get more bids in the cold playoff. Like, that's the only way that the Big 12 can, you know, survive to the level of the Big Ten in the sec. But, man, it's. This weekend is going to be insane. Like, if you have a wedding this weekend, the Ryder cup, you got all these college football games, get the NFL. I'm sorry. I don't think I could go to a game. I don't think I could schedule a wedding in the fall. Like, you had your wedding in the spring. Can you imagine going to a wedding right now? No shot, no chance.
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Well, I don't. I haven't been to a fall wedding my entire life. I actually went to one college buddy, and I left, I think, like, Sunday morning at like, 5am I left the wedding before, like, the party even got going. I'm like, I got to get home and go to bed so I can catch my flight. So I'm with you. I do think the Big 12, if TCU wins this game and runs the table and you Get TCU playing an undefeated Texas Tech and whoever. I do think they could possibly get two teams because Sonny Dykes has proven that, like, he runs a real program. And obviously Texas Tech is clearly legit. That would be their path. Like, you can't lose to Mississippi State and ASU's done unless they get the automatic bid by winning. You know, run the table and then win the conference championship game. But like, once you lose to Mississippi State, like, your margin, you have no. You're done. Unless you control your own destiny.
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Cause last year the Big 12 had like a bunch of teams with two or three losses. It seems like this year with Texas Tech, they have a bunch of unranked opponents. I think they got to go. They're not losing Arizona State, which I guess could be kind of a challenging game for Texas Tech. But the way their defensive line looked against Utah, which is supposed to be the best offensive line in the country, let alone the Big 12. Like, I feel like they're just going to bully Arizona State in that game too. You're right.
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I feel like TCU beats Arizona State this week.
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I love Hoover. It stinks. Because I'm kind of in Arizona State, obviously, growing up here. And it's been cool to see Arizona State kind of take that next step and the Valley kind of rally around a college football team where it's more pro dominant. Even the pro fan bases aren't even as loyal as we. What you see in Philly and Boston and San Francisco or wherever too. But TCU as a road dog. Yeah, I agree. I think I would lead in tcu. That offense is just so explosive with Sonny D. Dykes. I mean, you saw what they did to UNC and smu. But it's gonna be a fun game. My last thing, I gotta put this in real quick because I'm a fan of the show, obviously. I watch John Middlekop three and out. Subscribe. What do you think about Will Compton's bald head? Would you got any advice for Will Compton? Because I saw he been tweeting about, you know, what should I lotion my head? Obviously I'm not bald. I got some good hair myself. Thank God for my mom. But I was just curious because you haven't really talked about Will Compton gaining another bald brother.
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Well, you know, he won't be bald long. Right? He's had to do it because he lost the bet, which, you know, I get he's loyal to Nebraska, but Nebraska doesn't beat decent teams, let alone good ones. I can't speak to guys with Hair shaving their head, they have a lot more follicles on top. But the key, you got to moisturize it like you would your face. So you wash your head like you wash your face, right? You just, you know, like a normal human being. If you're going to bed and you don't need a shower or whatever, and you just wash your face before you go to sleep, you have to wash your whole head like it's, it's all one. It's like the beard just extends and then you have to moisturize so it's not dry. Then you get ingrown hairs. You know, that first cut, because he's never shaved. It had to be just pretty special how close it was. You know when you're like me and you shave? You know, I, I don't shave as much because I'm just a podcaster, but if I had a real job and was going into work and seeing people, I'd be shaving like every 18, you know, every day and a half or whatever that he had to get the closest shave humanly possible. So it has to feel incredible. You, you just got to hydrate because your skin can get dry really fast. And then you got problems.
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Do you use bar of soap? I know SVP uses a bar of soap.
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No, I don't use bar of soap. It's 20, 25 bar soap. Bar bar soap.
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I just thought that was a universal ball thing that everyone uses.
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Are you in jail? Like, I mean, you got a million options. No, I don't use a bar soap. I don't use bar soap in general. I mean, I, I'm a grown up with, you know, use a pump bottle of like normal body wash with a loofah. This isn't, this is like my dad in like 1983. I mean, we got, we got options here. If you're using bar soap, if you're a bar soap guy. Are you a bar soap guy?
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I mean, I use it on my occasional. Yeah, I got body wash right now, but I'll run.
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You have a, do you have a loofah bar? You know, you just.
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I got the loofah. Yeah, I got the loofah. Yeah.
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Yeah. What could justify in 2025 using a bar soap and not like a body wash with a loofah that's easier to use?
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Well, I heard SVP use it, so I just thought it was a universal bald guy thing. Maybe he's kind of an older old fashioned guy.
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He's a little older than you think. And bar soap to Me would just. My whole face would dry. It would fall off. So I couldn't. I haven't used a bar soap beside at a hotel. And even typically I bring like little like body wash with me. That's. That's a little hack.
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So you just use shampoo?
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No, I haven't used shampoo since I've been bald. Same on you don't. You don't use shampoo. You know, there's. What would I need shampoo for my chest hair? Like, I mean, I don't. There's no hair. I mean, no. You know, because part of shampoos to keep your hairs soft, right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Isn't that, I mean, and dandruff or whatever.
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Conditioner. Yeah, conditioner keeps your hair soft.
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Those aren't problems that I get. So it's just. Just face wash and body wash. No shampoo.
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You learn something new every day. That's awesome.
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Okay. Adios, Jackson. Good talk.
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See ya.
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No more field goal attempts, but instead teams need to get inside the red zone to automatically qualify for three. Similar to baseball, if a team wants to take three points when they cross the opponent's 20 yard line, the coach can signal three to the ref where this can get interesting at the end of games. Basically. Not only that, if a team gets to say the 19 yard line with a with a minute left to go down two, the other team has a has a couple timeouts. They wouldn't be able to take knees and kick field goals. I think it would require a lot more strategy. I think it's a little more complicated than the way you said. Once they get into the quote unquote score zone and I know I get automatically 3. Couldn't I just run out the clock? I could still take knees. You'd have to call timeouts. What would be the difference? And I know I'd get the three. I think the problem, the volatility of football and this is why people hate the tush push is because there's no we know what's going to happen. They're going to get a yard or two is I can stop you. We just saw in the Ravens game like I can get a goal line stand, I can cause a turnover, you can miss a field goal. Like we don't know what's going to happen. When the Rams lined up for that field goal, I thought the Eagles were going to lose the game. Like that's a same thing with the Packer game when they blocked it. You just, you just never know. And I know some field goals are longer than others and you're talking about, you know, a 19 yard field goal is 29 is like 35 yards. Right. The actual when you, when you factor in the 10 yards for the goal line and then whatever six or seven for where they line up. So usually add 15 plus yards to you know if it's a 20 yard. If you're at the 20 yard line, I, I view it as 35 yard field goal could be off a yard depending on, you know, exactly how you line up. But that's usually, you know, the standard. But I, I just think that's never happening or at least for the foreseeable future. I would never say never. Okay, let's get into Jake. I'm here in the great state of Alaska. Never been but know some people that have and I'm very fascinated to go. I would love to watch the animals play a little golf, maybe go on like a elk hunt. Of the six teams, not that I've ever been on an elk hunt, but if I was going to go on one, Alaska sounds like the place there are. There are currently six teams that are owing three who is truly the quote unquote worst team in the league and who do you think still has a shot of not finishing the season with a looting losing record? I personally would rank them like this. The Titans, the Saints, the jets, the Dolphins, the Texans, the Giants. P.S. there's still room to join the anti Monday night double header club. By the way, next Monday night two games overlap. Yeah. But if you check and google the games it is Miami against the jets kind of like the jets money line in that game and the Broncos against Jake Browning. So that sucks. And I'm not one thing I'm gonna try very very make a conscious effort to do is not be negative. I'm just in general in life but specifically like complaining about football games. It's so stupid. But we all agree Jets Dolphins is not a great Monday night game. But if you were gonna have Jets Dolphins on Monday night at least have the other game. So with one of the two games is close. It it's not the worst thing in the world. I would say currently I would agree the Titans, I would, I would say the Saints are better than the Jets. I think the Saints are better than the jets and the Dolphins because I do think their offense is not bad. I would take the Saints over those two teams. So I would go Titans, Dolphins, Jets, Saints, Texans, Giants potentially Giants Texans depending on how deck or not Dak but dart looks. I don't hate it. I think the Texans and Giants I think the Giants would have the best capability of like looking up and they're competitive and they're seven, eight wins. I think the Texans are in some trouble now. They do play the Titans this week. If they were to lose that game, they are screwed. Fan from Canada, my question is why do you constantly refer to Jim Tomsula as one of the worst coaches of all time? I get he wasn't good but I think guys like Urban Meyer, Nathaniel Hackett and Bobby Petrino were way worse. I'm curious because the 49ers had him as an assistant for eight plus years in house when someone works in the same company for several years usually means he's relatively well liked. Well, there's no disputing he was well liked and he was an excellent defensive line coach. Jim Tomsula was a highly respected position coach. Very highly respected position position coach. But when he got the job, it'd be like going from a high level CEO to a guy that's not even middle management. I mean Jim Tomsula is a position coach. That's it. So yeah, his record is not the worst of all time. He will you know Chip Kelly who came after him, who's probably much more suited to be a head coach had a worse record than Jim. It's one of those things he's had to be there. So this is more on personal experience. Like Urban Meyer was objectively a worst coach. He did not make it through the season. Nathaniel Hackett did not make it through one season. Josh McDaniels has had two head coaching jobs and been fired midway through year two in both. So I just use Jim Tomsula as a reference point mainly because I was there. Like, I don't think if you weren't living and doing what I was doing for a living, covering football, talking about football, you probably would bring up other people, but I would, I would put Jim. And it's no shade like Jim Thompsula. By all accounts nice guy. Though rumors back then that he backstabbed Jim Harbaugh and Fangio. But again, it's more of a like personal preference, right? Like if we all ate at the same restaurants, we would be like, oh, these three, there would be a lot of agreement of like, these are the best restaurants in America, right? And this would be like, that's the worst sandwich I've ever had. But we all live in different places, we all have different tastes and we're all over the board, right? It's no different with football. If you are a Giants fan or a Jags fan or whoever fan. Like if I went to a Giants fan, like who's the worst coach you've ever seen? Their first reaction probably be like Joe Judge, right? And I, what could I argue with him? I mean he called a quarterback sneak from their own nine yard line. I mean, so I think it's all personal experience. When we, when we bring up making fun of coaches, it's like, who's the worst quarterback you've ever seen? Well, if you went different areas of the country, everyone would probably have a different example. Steeler fan. I've always wondered why the Ravens franchise isn't looked at an all time as an all time franchise. They are technically the same franchise that had Jim Brown and won a ton of championships. See, I'm going to stop you before you even get to your question. When you move, right, when you exist somewhere, move, go away and then come back. You don't have the same history as just like the New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys or the Alabama Crimson Tide, where it's just universal, right? It's like what Bill Simmons always argues with the Lakers. It's like, how do you claim the Minnesota titles? And I kind of agree there. You can keep the same name, but when you played in different cities, like they're separate operations. This is way before my time. But the, you know, they used to call them the New York Football Giants because the San Francisco Giants came from New York or the Brooklyn Dodgers. But like when you compare the Brooklyn history to the LA history, like I have a hard time Doing that. So I hear what you're saying about these franchises, but when you move and you become a different franchise, like, I just. We don't see it as much anymore because it rarely happens. Like the Raiders, for example, whatever happens in Vegas, especially once the Davis family no longer owns the team, it's going to be hard for the Raiders in Vegas to, like, when they start now, theirs is weird because they haven't had much success lately. But like, talk about, like, Jim Plunkett. It's like Jim Plunkett did that in la. Right. I just think it's very difficult. You know, talking about the Chicago fans can take a lot of pride in, like, the 85 bears, George Hallis building our team back in the 50s. Right. If you're a Packer fan, even if you're younger than me, and you go freaking Vince Lombardi coach the Green Bay packers, you can say it's part of the same history. Right? It's like the same family line. I think when you start moving around cities, it becomes really complicated, but I think it's actually a huge reflection of how successful Baltimore has been since moving there. What year was that they move in? 95, 96. I was listening to your thoughts on Brian Thomas Jr and his struggles this year, and I think I disagree a bit. I think the problem is that he really didn't start breaking out until later in the season when he was playing with McCorkle. That'd be Mac Jones. I. I said McCorkle. He said Mac Jones. I just love that his real name is McCorkle. I don't think he has a very good connection with Trevor Lawrence, and it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes. Keep up the great work. My theory was that he kind of went. Lost a little confidence when they drafted Travis Hunter, and it kind of took the wind out of his star. So again, that was just a completely uneducated theory. I didn't claim to be right on that one. You're probably right. Yeah. I don't have a great answer for you there, but there's no disputing, like, he's a really talented player and sometimes guys just don't have a good connection. I mean, we. I don't think we talk about that enough. Sometimes you're so good, like Mahomes and Peak, Tyreek Hill. Right. Or Josh Allen and I mean, I guess who's the best receiver he played with Diggs, you know, Lamar and the tight ends. Right. Burrow and Chase. But sometimes it's like, yeah, we Just, it's just our cohesion's off. It just doesn't work. We see that sometimes like free agent wide receivers. You see that in baseball with pitchers. Some pitchers have a specific catcher for them. Probably pretty rare. I don't follow baseball as close as I used to, but used to be more like Tim Wakefield had a specific catcher which made sense because he threw a knuckleball. I hear Colin suggest that Burrow should try to get out of Cincinnati while the Bengals are cheap. I feel like they've done everything Burrow has wanted since he got there. They drafted Chase, they paid him, they paid Chase and Higgins, they brought back Trey Hendrickson. It'd be much harder to field a better D and O line with the money they have tied up in Burrow chasing Higgins. I agree. How could Burrow be the one getting screwed? I, I don't think he's totally getting screwed. And I've said over and over, even if he feels that way, Mike Brown is not going to care for the foreseeable future because not only am I paying you a premium, I've paid these two wide receivers. Now every single person would have paid Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase is a guy that every franchise in America pays. I do think the T. Higgins thing was, you know, how fundamentally do you want to build your team? And that feels like peer pressure for the quarterback where I just like, I can find another T. Higgins, even if he's not quite as good. But if I use a second or third rounder on a wide receiver and then I use this money and allocate the resources other places, isn't that part of paying Joe Burrow to make guys look good to go along with Jamar Chase? Maybe we draft one of these sweet running backs, I don't know. But I, I, I totally in agreement there. We could argue like, is this the right move? There's a reason that GMs, GM and quarterbacks quarterback Belichick didn't ever listen to Tom Brady and it resulted in nine super bowl appearances and six victories. If you were to listen to Tom, they would have, it would have been completely different. Right. So there's a reason, you know, in business, the old adage and Collins been saying this is like take the emotion out of it when you're too emotionally tied to a business deal, whatever that may be. Right. Whether it be a big business deal, whether it be a car purchase, whether it be arguing over a salary, whatever it is, the more emotionally you get connected, the harder it is for clarity and the easier it is to make a mistake. Well, how could a player not be emotionally tight? He's in the locker room there as friends and there's somewhat of a buffer when you're the gm, even more than the coach, that you can be unemotional about the player. Even if in this modern day NFL, the GMs definitely, I don't know, I want to say the word tight, but I think in a lot of franchises, you know, definitely with their star players and their high end guys, the GMs, they have very good relationships. Right? I mean you hear a lot of these players now and name the GM constantly. Right? Obviously the best examples, the Chiefs with Mahomes and, and Patrick, I guess Patrick Mahomes is the same guy. Kelsey, they talk about Veech a lot, but it's no different than the Eagles with Howie. Like he knows his players really well, but he also can be cutthroat when he needs to. And as a player, you don't want to lose any of your friends that are good players, but that's not the way the business works.
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I think the GM sometimes don't realize the benefit of having someone play every year over every play year over year for them. Sam knew the system they would have been able to build on the last year. Baker is a great example of this. He's a good first season with the Bucks but seems to have gotten better progressively each of the next couple years. Yeah, I mean I think listen the difference of the Baker situation is once they pulled the trigger on jj While I agree you're going to have a Short lease with jj like JJ is not getting four years to be injured in and out of the lineup, like he's getting a couple. He better get back on the field and be good or this is going to be short lived. But after year one, they were in a tough position and I think it's easy to say that now. Now you could also say like, who cares? Use the pick on him. He can be the backup quarterback. It was pretty risky, there's no doubt about it. But their team wouldn't look the same today that they allocated all those resources on buying players if they had kept Sam. Now you could argue, well, the team they had last year won 14 games. So I think, here's what I know. The chances that JJ McCarthy is ever as good as Sam was last year or is currently, even if Sam doesn't improve, which naturally, like you said about Baker, guys just kind of do once they prove they're kind of good, is slim to none. Like it would be a huge upset if JJ McCarthy is as good as those guys. Right. To be ever as good as Kirk Cousins or like it doesn't feel likely on top of he can't stay on the field. So I think if he's in and out of lineup this year, they might regret it. But at the time I understood where they were coming from. I do. I mean, because part of drafting JJ McCarthy really high is like you believed in it. But also sometimes with a draft pick, when you haven't seen them play, it's essentially like buying a stock. You can have the conviction you can have got in on $10, you're like, I'm telling you, I think there's a chance this thing goes to 50 or 100. But then after a year or two, if that $10 stock is at $7, like you gotta contemplate selling it. Now sometimes if you sell it at $7 and take your 30% haircut over the next couple years, like Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield or now Daniel Jones, that thing goes to $50 and it kicks you in the nuts a lot of times it does not though. So I, I think the Vikings are monitoring the situation closely. I would say they're not full regret yet, but if Sam leads Seattle to the playoffs and J.J. mcCarthy becomes a, I don't know, just hurt all the time, let alone not good player, you could be correct. You talking about someone's question of Russell playing himself out of the hall of Fame really grinds my gears about how football hall of Fame is being diluted and the baseball to oh. To that of the baseball and basketball ones. My personal criteria for the hall of Fame should be this. You need to either have changed the way the position gets played or if we're writing the anthology of football, if your name has to be included, then you belong in the hall of Fame. The idea of my childhood hero, Darrell Rivas sharing the hall of Fame title with Russell Wilson is just disappointing. You could argue like Revis is one of the best players ever at his position. And on defense. Russell is not one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, but you could argue telling the story of football in the Internet age. He played a pivotal role, like he helped one of the best teams in the league get to a couple Super Bowls, win a Super bowl, become a Pro Bowler as a mid round pick. Kind of change football as a short player. Think of the floodgates that opened. Little guys being drafted high. You go back to when I was a kid in the 90s, none of these guys would have been drafted. I. Baker Mayfield? No. Kyler Murray? No chance. Not saying that. They might not have deserved it, but they would not have been because you didn't draft players high. They were short. So I think Russell Wilson kind of opened that opportunity. I mean, Bryce young, it's like 510. A buck fifty. You. I'd make the argument you could write the story without Russell because you could just talk about Pete in the defense. But he played a pretty pivotal role there. So I, I might make the argument I'm coming around on Russell. If you put him in the hall of Fame, there's worse guys in there. Is it fair to say that this year has played out to the top NFC teams? Eagles, Packers, Rams, Lions look stronger than the afc. Bills, Ravens, Chargers, Chiefs. I would say right now the NFC looks pretty strong. Right. Even if their teams have weird games like the Eagles have kind of scuffled on offense. I see Drew Brees, he took a giant dump on the Eagles offense, saying he hates watching it, which I don't disagree when they're playing bad, but when they're right, they were fun. I mean, it's fun to watch saquon Barkley bust 50 yard runs. AJ and Devonte make big plays when they're playing well, they're a fun offense to watch, but I would tend to agree. I would tend to agree. I think, I think the NFC's teams are more complete, for sure. I mean, I just don't think the Bills are that good on defense. Ravens offense has major question marks. Same with the Chiefs. You know, The Chargers, do they have the high end talent to like win the Super Bowl? You know, Denver's clearly got some issues. Bo Nix, I saw someone do a statistical breakdown and kind of a tape breakdown. Like he is missing too many layups and on the big plays he's overthrown him. So like part of being an elite team is like, you need that guy to play better. So yeah, I think there are a lot of question marks with the afc. The Colts, like, are Colts going to rattle off playoff victories? I don't know. Doubtful. College football question. I'm a diehard Wisconsin fan. Are we dead? Luke Fickle was a huge swing and it's blowing up in front of our faces. I heard your comments on Gundy Gundy at Oklahoma State and now I fear that Wisconsin is going to be left behind too. Listen, in any industry change, right, in any pivotal switch or just direction for an industry, there are going to be big winners and there are going to be losers. And some of those big winners have already been winning, right? So nil, like Ohio State. Awesome. Oregon, sweet. Sign me up. Texas, right? I'm in Georgia. Cool. And some of these other teams like, damn, Texas Tech is now in the mix. Like, no, Texas Tech is a real player, right? Miami like, hey, we got big money. We're back. So it clearly brings some got people back and the winners say the winners, but also there are going to be some losers. And I actually think, you know, I probably said this over the last couple weeks. I think one of the big winners of NIL is the Big Ten as a whole. Right? I feel their conference is. I told this to the Jackson. It feels better or feels deeper than it has been. I think NIL plays a role, but I don't know. I mean, Maryland, Rutgers look credible. I wouldn't say your UCLA bad, but it clearly has not gone well. And you know that that picture slash video went viral was the ad sitting with McCarthy, which in theory shouldn't be that weird. McCarthy lived in, you know, Green Bay for 15 years. He's synonymous with that area. Probably has a place good friends. But it's like, well, Fickle's gonna get fired. They're chanting, fire fickle. Mike McCarthy's probably not going to get an NFL job. Would he be interested in that? I mean, I. What if they pay him 6, $7 million? Question is, can you win there? And Nil to me is the number one question, right? You can be. You can give me a large, you know, couple million dollars for my offensive and defensive coordinator. Great. But I'm In a conference with Ohio State, which I would say when you factor in everything is the best program in the country. Michigan is not going to go quietly even as they kind of eb, you know, little downturn post Harbaugh. But they're going to spend huge money. Oregon and Penn State are just humming, right? They recruit at a high level, they have money, they're producing dudes. USC is going to start storming back because of the money. Who am I missing? You know, Washington is going to be solid. Like they got money and they care about football. And they have really been good. Beside the one Jimmy Lake season since Chris Peterson got there, like, that program has just been a solid. It's kind of been like the west coast version of like Iowa, maybe a little bit better. And I think it's hard. So you can't have every team in the conference can't be good, like part of the sec. Like, how is. How did Lane get good? Well, look at some programs. Felt Florida fell off the cliff. Florida has not been good. Mississippi State sucks. Mississippi State 10 years ago, like Dan Mullen, Dak Prescott, they were good. So programs like some people in your conference, if you're going to win nine, 10 games, have to go the other way. And I don't know, I. I would bet against it. Look at Nebraska, right? Like I grew up, Nebraska was like an NFL team and now they feel like they're trying, but it's never going to be the same. It just. And that's no shade. I'm not, I'm. I would love to root for Nebraska. I appreciate the brand, but I don't know. Okay, couple more. Is Shane Waldron the worst pass game coordinator in league history? As soon as he leaves the Rams cup, goes for the triple crown. Then after he leaves the Seahawks. JSN monster breakout. Last season as the Bears pass game coordinator, Rome looked like a bust. Now he's gone. Rome is looking like one of the top receivers in the league. He's with the jags and making BTJ look like a fringe wide receiver. 3 Something or nothing. I don't know. I'd have to text around. I mean, clearly you would say his resume is not great. And I think some guys just get in this, you know, if you work at the right place, right. If you go to the right place. I've said one thing I benefit from is the organization I was with had a lot of people that knew what they were doing and have gone on to have a lot of success. Personnel people and coaches. So when I have questions, when I have thoughts like I can go to high level people, right? Eagles win Super Bowls, Chiefs winning Super Bowls. Like I can text people in these organizations and get their opinions that are part of the best teams in the league, that have the best players in the league. But if I had been offered job with the Arizona Cardinals at the time or the Miami Dolphins or whoever, just some bad organization, I would have taken that job. I only went to the Eagles because that was my best opportunity. It was my only opportunity. Coach Hill got on the phone with Andy Reid, Howie Roseman interviewed me. I got the gig. Right. It just happened to be that, you know, Veech and Lewis Riddick and, and Sean McDermott and all these guys were there. And you look at Shane Waldron, he got in with the Rams. So it's like Sean McVeigh. So he knows Liam Cohen because Liam Cohen was there and he gets the hype of McVeigh, but it's just, he was just there. So just be. Is he a good coach just because he was hired by Sean McVeigh? Right. There's no saying that I would have been a good GM just because Andy Reid hired me. Hell, look at me, turned into a podcaster. I'm glad I did. But just because you work for someone doesn't mean you're them. I kind of realized why I never even thought about getting back. And once my career this way, I was like, I'm not Howie Roseman first or Veech. Like I knew I don't like, I don't like football as much as those guys. And listen, football's my life. Football to them is crack and they're addicts. Same thing with the coaches. Andy, Sean McDermott, all these guys. So I just think, yeah, I mean you could, you can get by on resume in football based on, oh, I worked for Jim Harbaugh. Okay, well, that was a long time ago. What have you done since? Well, not much. And it hasn't gone well. People don't talk, but it's like you, you can parlay that for a while. Okay, last question. Why do you think touchdowns and yards by quarterbacks are down despite the rule changes and the extra game? Pat threw 50 in his first year, Brady had 43 a second year and others had close to 40. Now 36 ish is considered a great year. I think what Sam Darnold to throw a 35 or 36 last year, and it was incredible. You have to get like, I think you'd have to get like a defensive coaching roundtable and offensive coaches to kind of get Truly their thoughts on this one consistent theme I see when listening to coaches press conferences is a lot of these teams now, and this is why I think the running back has come back, is playing a much more conservative shell. Like we're not going to just give you big plays. We will let you dump it to the running back. Running backs have a lot of success now in the passing game and obviously running backs are coming back from running the ball because what happens with a defensive backfield and linebackers cheating back, right, you can run it on, right. It's like you used to go, Peyton Manning, you had a corner as your nickel corner. They couldn't tackle. He would call runs to him all day long. So you just take strengths first, their weaknesses, and you go and it's like you're just going to give me a free five, six yards and if I got a good player, all I have to do is break one tackle or make a guy miss. It's a 20 yard game. So I think a lot, I think there's probably several, several variables, but I think one big thing is the conservative nature of defenses throughout a game. You know, it used to be there'd be a lot more crazy aggressive teams. You know, Wink Martindale kind of felt like a dying breed of just, I'm going to blitz, I'm going to play, man. Now I also think this dbs as a whole are probably a little faster. So the speed of. And safeties as well. When I, you know, people that I grew up watching, like Tim McDonald at water and then meeting guys when I worked in the league, like safeties like Lewis Riddick was a safety in the NFL. Todd Bowles was a safety in the 80s. Safeties from the 80s and 90s look like linebackers. These guys are 6, 2. When they played, they were like 215 pounds. Guys now are not as big, is much more. Because back then you went over the middle, those guys would give you. I mean they were giving concussions out like they give out orange slices at a kid's soccer game. I mean they would. You meet some of these former safeties. John Lynch. I remember the first time I met John lynch when he was working with the Niners. And you know, I'm like 5, 10, I'm not that big. He towered over. John lynch is huge. You go to practice though, like the safeties don't look like him. He's bigger than all the safeties at practice. And if we went around the league, Kyle Hamilton is an outlier. Back in the day, Kyle Hamilton's were everywhere. Cam Chancellor's that body type. It does not exist. They're all smaller. So when you're smaller you're faster in theory. But I mean, so I think team speed on defense doesn't mean they're good DBs, just means they're faster. So I can chase you better where you have more explosive plays when you have the bigger safeties because if they took a wrong angle they couldn't run with the wide receivers. It does feel like there's a lot more team speed with the back four and even the linebackers. Like think about the linebackers now. They are not. You watch that Cowboys doc of the Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones 90s Cowboys. Ken Norton Jr. Is like a 255 pound run stuffing linebacker when he went to the 49ers, him and Gary Plummer, those guys like they don't exist. No one plays like the best. Linebackers like Fred Warner Roquan are like hybrid guys. It would have been much harder for them to hold up back in like the 80s against these run heavy teams that just leaned on you. Well, people don't lean on you anymore. They spread the ball out and throw. So I think it's a philosophical and just size change. I just think they've adapted in the human beings that play those positions. And the schemes are much more conservative that make it more difficult. It's why I think we've seen these running backs kind of have a little resurgence for sure.
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Date: September 25, 2025
Host: John Middlekauff
Guest/Producer: Jackson
This episode of the 3 & Out podcast, featured within The Herd, is a deep-dive into the state of college football on the cusp of a massive weekend of games. John Middlekauff is joined by producer Jackson for a ‘Kauff on Campus’ edition, tackling five “burning questions” about the state of coaching, top teams, and why quarterback scoring stats are declining. The episode covers high-profile coach firings, the shifting landscape brought on by NIL and the transfer portal, previews major matchups including Penn State-Oregon and Georgia-Alabama, and addresses listener questions, creating a comprehensive snapshot of college football as September closes.
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Memorable Quote:
"It's kind of sad that the day and age of like the guy that's just interwoven with that franchise, we're never going to see that again." (John, 09:09)
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"If I was Dabo, I'd be working behind the scenes to try to give myself a landing spot...maybe your message, you just need a fresh start." (John, 16:53)
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"If you're Oklahoma, you gotta be thinking, we're a playoff team...and now all of a sudden we could just lose to Texas in the shitty version of Arch." (John, 22:05)
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“It's not very often since Lanning has been there...Oregon has been like a legit ‘we don't think you're going to win this game.’” (John, 31:18)
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Georgia home win streak on the line (33 games).
Alabama’s stench from an early loss possibly overstated; their QB Ty Simpson coming into his own.
The “start fast or else” theme:
“If Bama starts fast, they're winning this game...But if they're trailing, I'm out.” (John, 39:54)
Contrast in coaching styles: DeBoer’s calm, strategic versus Kirby’s raw energy.
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Miami looks complete on both sides, but coaching is a wild card given Mario Cristobal’s history of late-game mistakes.
Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon, and more all have cases, but weaknesses too; it’s a wide-open year.
“It does feel like, what the hell is the difference between Bama, Georgia, LSU and Ole Miss?...If you told me any of those teams were rolling in the playoffs...would not be surprised.” (John, 62:44)
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“I think one big thing is the conservative nature of defenses...We will let you dump it to the running back.” (John, 109:53)
Quarterback Development & Transfer Portal:
The portal opens up opportunities for “diamond in the rough” QBs but diminishes mid-tier program stability and increases churn, particularly at positions like QB.
Notable Quote:
“The transfer portal...you can just do it quicker than you used to, where it's like, oh, we got to wait for a couple recruiting classes. It's like, you wait one spring, you're like off and running.” (John, 61:21)
On Conference Realignment & NIL Arms Race:
The crew laments the end of mid-tier programs’ ability to compete for top coaches and players without massive external funding.
(76:53 – 112:40)
For full in-depth analysis, bold predictions, and more college football banter, subscribe to 3 & Out with John Middlekauff via The Volume and The Herd feeds.