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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Mahomes and Chiefs clinch #1 seed, Lamar continues on an MVP pace, Steelers and Texans have issues
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What is going on everybody? How are we doing? Lamar Jackson just got yanked out of the game. So I said that is my cue. Let's go record before a little prime rib Christmas dinner. Hopefully everyone had a great Christmas morning, day afternoon, wherever and whenever you held your festivities. Hopefully it was fun. We will dive into some football. The Ravens dominate. Looks like Lamar has a decent chance to win his third mvp. The Chiefs Cruz destroy the Steelers and clinch home field. And the number one seed. It's got to go back through Kansas City like typically it does. And Mahomes looks fantastic. Kelsey looks good. Chiefs, man. Of course they're peaking at the right time and they didn't even have Chris Jones. We got to talk about the two teams that lost. The Steelers and the Texans leaking serious oil. I don't know who looks worse right now. Probably say Houston. But they both look pretty terrible, right? I mean, two teams hosting short week, middle of December and end of December, really, and get absolutely destroyed. As of right now, The Texas have two points and the Steelers had 10. Maybe the Texans will score some garbage touchdown, but pretty awful. I mean, these are two playoff teams. These are two teams that are going to be playing, you know, the, the wild card weekend and then we'll dive into some other stuff. I didn't do a podcast after the Packer game. Sometimes you just got to have a little family time. We were traveling, bags got lost, pain in the ass. So I didn't even have a chance to, to dial in on that game. But I do want to dive into something on the packers, just in general, obviously. I mean, the Saints are a joke, but kind of. I was going for a walk and I thought about something the other day. When it comes to the Packers, Pete Carroll interested in the Bears job, of course. You know, 73 year old who's won a Super bowl, won a championship in college, super rich but super bored. I mean, it's like Pete, don't you just want to do TV and just ride off into the sunset? But no, these guys are addicted to coaching. And we'll talk a little Christmas because I noticed something today. But before we dive into football, you know, I got to tell you about my friends, my partners, the official ticketing app of this podcast. Here's what you do. Go to game time. And they're the best ticketing app I've ever used by far. It's if you want to get a pair of tickets to a game, a playoff game, any college game, any concert, you want to go to a Concert, see some live music. I got you covered. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account, use the code JOHN for $20 off. Your first purchase terms apply again, create an account and redeem the code JOHAN for $20 off. Download the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. Where, oh, where do we want to start? Obviously, the cream is really rising in the afc and we saw that today, and we saw it because of Netflix. Let's just start there, because I, I got on the Internet and I saw so many people complaining, like, the league forcing these games. This is awful. It's like, guys, this was. There are so many different angles here. The league wants Netflix involved, so they threw them a bone, which they had to pay for. They let them wet their beak for $150 million. Two games that are going to do enormous numbers. The amount of people that watch football today is going to be. Honestly, my guess would be much higher than normal. You know why? Because when you watch Netflix and listen, I, I guess most of us no longer, I can't say most of us, but a large percentage of people, and it grows by the day, are, Are ditching traditional cables, going to some sort of streaming platform. So changing channels is now a little different. Hell, I don't really even have a remote at my house. It's all digital on my phone. But when you go to Netflix and if you're watching like the last game we just watched the Ravens against the Texans, which you could have called the game at halftime to make sure no one got injured and just let everyone go enjoy Christmas with their families and just let them have the rest of the day healthy. But obviously you got to finish out the game. You're stuck on Netflix. This is not even on YouTube TV. I can go back, I can see what else is on. Obviously any cable provider, it's very easy to channel surf. So, like, a big point of this conversation started with the NFL wanted to steal Christmas from the NBA several years ago. Obviously, they didn't have to steal anything. If they put a game, they will dominate the day. So to me, this is less about a competition of, like, if an NFL game's on, more people are going to watch that than any other game, no matter how bad the score is. And today, I mean, Patrick Mahomes is the biggest star in the league, and Lamar is arguably their best player and one of the biggest stars in the league. So if you throw them on television, even if they're beating the shit out of an opponent. And the Steelers obviously have a huge fan base. Ton of people are going to watch. But once you go to Netflix, which I thought it was pretty normal, like you just turned it on, it looked like a normal broadcast that you're kind of stuck there. Like, you don't really. You can go to another show on Netflix. You have to exit and go all the way out back to the main app page. It's kind of a pain in the ass. So you can't really jump back and forth. You know, if you wanted to watch, I don't know why you would. I mean, I haven't watched one dribble as of recording this. And it's, you know, 5:00 in the afternoon, but if you wanted to watch, it's not very advantageous to just click some buttons. It's a pain in the ass. So I would imagine most sports fans inclined to go football kind of are stuck and it just stays on in the background. And I know it was like that this morning when we were opening presents. Football on the background. It was on in the background when we were just like eating kind of a late breakfast. It'll be on, I guess it'll be over by the time we ate dinner. But if there was another game on at dinner, that Netflix would be on with the football game. And it's in. It's too big of a pain to like, oh, check the other score, check something else. You're just kind of stuck on that. So I think this Netflix thing, not only is it not going away, they're going to be a major partner come this next iteration of the television deal. And my guess is either they have the morning package, which is the international package, which Goodell already said that they're going to sell. And like, there was a reason that they gave him Patrick Mahomes, the Pittsburgh Steelers, and Lamar Jackson and what they thought was going to be one of the better young players in the league, C.J. stroud, which is not playing itself out like that. But they wanted to let them wet their beak. They paid a premium and Netflix did a good job. It was crisp, it looked good. Obviously it sounded completely normal because they had NFL broadcasters, you know, calling Greg Olson, calling the games, The Eagle family, J.J. watt, you know, in the morning, it was just, it was just an easy watch. It's. It's gonna work and it's going to crush. Because in Amazon Prime's the same way. Like when you have now, if you, you know, situation like me sometimes, like if I'm watching the Thursday night game, in my office, I got multiple TVs, so if I want to watch something else, I can throw the other game on there. But if I'm out in the living room and the game's on, like, she can't, hey, can you check this out? You know, at halftime, like you just stay on the game. That's kind of how the app works. And I, it was very evident today. So at the end of the Ravens game, I just, even when I went back out, I came in here, I went back out, my mom was just at the, you know, sitting in the living room and the game was just still on. It's just, it's so, it's, it's going to be advantage Netflix in the NFL and that you're kind of just stuck with it regardless of the score. Now, speaking of the scores, the Ravens and Chiefs put their foot on two teams that are not playing well and beat the living shit out of them. And let's start with the Ravens because he is gaining a lot of steam and momentum. Listen, he didn't have relative to his other. If he wins the MVP this season, last year's MVP is not nearly as good as the first one and doesn't hold a candle to this one, that team. Obviously he was a really good player last year, but the defining characteristic of the 2023 Ravens was like a historic dominant defense and their defensive coordinator that became a head coach. And Lamar was solid for them. But relative to this year, he's on a different planet. Now if you are going to win another mvp and today he had an MVP type performance. He looks, I mean, there's no way around it. Incredible on a weekly basis, it would be his third mvp. And if he were to pull that off and obviously when you play in these primetime games. He did last week. He did again. You're just going to gain momentum over Josh Allen, who's playing the Patriots last week, the jets this week and, and then the Patriots again. And while I do think a lot of people will be paying attention to Jets Bills, you know, it's just, it's the Jets, Aaron Rodgers and obviously the Bills are, they win one of these last two games, they're going to get the number two seed. And he's just kind of trying to throw up numbers for the mvp. It's not quite the same as playing in the primetime games, especially a situation like Christmas. It's just like you're just playing by yourself or like these guys did last Saturday. But I'll give you a couple names. Guys with two MVPs Joe Montana and Patrick Mahomes. Obviously Patrick's career is not done. And listen, if they add some more offensive weaponry and to hit on a couple offensive linemen, it would not shock anybody if he wins another MVP in his career. Right? We saw Brady, we saw Rogers, guys late in their career win MVPs. And as you saw Patrick Mahomes today, he's still got a lot of MVP ability in there. But those guys, Montana's career has been over for a long, you know, 30 plus years, has two MVPs. When you go into the, the stratosphere of three, like Peyton Manning has the record with five, Rogers has four, and then a lot of guys have three. Tom Brady, Brett Favre, Jim Brown, Johnny Unitis. I never saw Jim Brown and Johnny Unitis play, but I would say they would be on like the Mount Rushmore of Ruthie and figures before people like me were born. When you talked about football, in the history of football, Johnny Unitis, Jim Brown are people that come up a lot. So when you're putting their category with Tom Brady, the greatest quarterback of all time, a guy with six Super Bowls, and Brett Favre, a guy that won a Super bowl, went to another one. And obviously Rogers and Manning have both won Super Bowls. Like I think it would put extra pressure on Lamar Jackson because once you start getting three, four MVPs, it's like, well, you need to win championships. Like they kind of go hand in hand. It's one thing to win an MVP and never win a championship happens and it's going to happen more. It's, it's the NFL, it's pro sports. It's hard just because you win an MVP. Aaron Judge might win three MVPs, might never win a World Series. Not that crazy, right? But like if he wants to be considered all time great, like eventually you got to win one. And you know, baseball is obviously different. Football, it's like an individual team sport. But in football, like Lamar does control a lot of his own destiny. And if he plays like he plays in some of these games, it will be very hard to beat the Ravens. But like you start getting compared to Brett Favre and Tom Brady. And listen, like today it doesn't even feel like he's 30% through his career. Maybe he's 30, 35%. He passed Michael Vick and Cam Newton on all time rushing yards. He's the all time quarterback rushing yards leader in the history of the league. What's that number going to end at? Because he still has, I would say minimum five you know, if he doesn't get a major injury, it feels like for the cons, you know, the, the near future, he's going to be flying around, I mean he is going to rush for. So he's going to shatter a record that maybe no one sniffs for a long, long time. But the Ravens are essentially going to have to do what the 2023 Chiefs did if he just wants to make it to the super bowl, let alone win it. Whoever they play in the first round, they're going to be the three seed because we got the Texans at the four. The Bills are going to be the two, and obviously the Chiefs are the one. So they are going to be a heavy favorite in the, the wild card round. They're going to play the Broncos, the Chargers, the Steelers, one of those three teams. And they will be favored, my guess is by a touchdown plus depending on which one of those matchups. And I would be stunned if they lose to any of those teams. Then in the second round they're going to have to go to Buffalo, which we saw Baltimore beat Buffalo earlier this season, outplayed him obviously. The game really unraveled when Buffalo tried that trick play and it, the fumble, it was a disaster. But going to Buffalo's a different animal and that would be an incredible win for Lamar. Then he's going to have to go to Kansas City. So think of what the Chiefs did last year. They were big favorites against the Dolphins at home. One easily punked them, then went to Buffalo, hard fought game, very impressive as an underdog, and then obviously went to Baltimore and won. And Lamar and John Harbaugh would basically just have to do the reverse of that. And if they were able to pull it off, it would be like whoever takes down Kansas City, whether it's Josh or whether it's Lamar, it's going to be an incredible accomplishment. And you know, I, I think the Ravens, if they played the Bills 10 times, I would probably take the Ravens 6. Especially now as their defense has looked a lot better recently. And to me the quarterbacks are basically coin flip. Now Lamar, the difference with Josh, and we talk about this a lot is Josh has done it in the playoffs, like he's played really well. He hasn't won the games, he's played well then, but his defense let him down. Like Lamar's defense has played well in the playoffs and he has not. So you win another mvp, which obviously we wouldn't know till do we find out before the Super Bowl. I know they announced in the Super Bowl, I'm not. I forget if it gets leaked, but his, his numbers are eye popping. In the Ravens, it's, it's been an impressive year because they had some weird moments early. I mean, they start, oh and two, they lose that Raider game, which is probably one of the weirder results of the season. But today to go on the road, I get Houston's in shambles. But to beat the living piss out of them like they did, that was impressive. And same thing with Kansas City. And I think the scary thing about Kansas City is like, I think we got our swagger back. You ever seen that meme? You ever seen that kid in High School, YouTube it where he backs up? That's what the Chiefs feel like these last couple days. It's like they look like a completely different team. That team that was barely beating the Raiders, that team that was barely beating the Panthers these last two weeks, it's like this is the Chiefs team that won the Super Bowl. Like, this is the Patrick Mahomes that I remember. Taking down Josh Allen, taking down Lamar Jackson, taking down Kyle Shanahan, the 49ers, this is that guy, this is the Travis Kelsey that we saw in the playoffs. Like, it's like, is he just really been saving himself up this entire time? And Xavier Worthy, like it's going to work. The scary thing for the league is Xavier Worthy and Patrick Mahomes are going to be so much better next year and the following year. But they're figuring it out right now. And if you can get those two guys to go with Hopkins and Pacheco and a quarterback who, like, let's face it, throughout the year, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson have played in a different, just much better than Patrick Mahomes. Now, Patrick Mahomes has made big plays when he's had to. He's played winning football, but those guys have played better. That's not like a controversial take, but these last couple weeks, specifically today in Pittsburgh, like, that's the MVP Patrick Mahomes. That's the three time super bowl champ Patrick Mahomes. That's the guy that I'd probably bet on to win another Super Bowl. Oh yeah, and he also has the best coach who dressed up as Santa and looked just like him. And they brought in an elf who I guess as a buddy of mine on the Chiefs text me because I posted the video of the elf, which is just, just an incredible video. Like, there's never been a better time. If you're a Chiefs fan, if you, if you're my age, 40, if you're 50 if you're 60 of your chiefs fans, I, I, you can't even, there's no way for you to properly enjoy this enough. But if your enjoyment is a 10 out of 10, like, you're almost underselling your. It should be like a hundred out of a 10. This is as good as life gets in football. This is like the equivalent of the Alabama dynasty. But in the NFL, honestly, it feels even a little more dominant than the Patriots. But I mean, and if you were to go three straight, obviously it's never been done in NFL history, would be something that I don't think ever would happen again. But yeah, man, we know how good your defense is. Your best defensive player didn't even play today. Now you have the rest of this week off. You get all of next week off, and you get the bye week off. Good luck. I mean, good luck. And here's the other thing. They only have to play Josh or Lamar. Last year they had to go through them both. That's not going to happen this year. They're going to play, let's just guess, the Chargers in the second round. The Broncos, you know, some one of those random teams while the Bills and the Ravens play each other. So they're only going to have to play one of them and they get them at home. Think about how much more difficult their road was last year than it's going to be this year. They didn't get a buy. They had to beat Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson on the road and obviously a excellent 49er team. We'll see who ends up coming out from the nfc. But I think when you just look ahead, I think it's fair to say that it's just a much easier track. So the Chiefs, man, it's just, it's pretty crazy what we're witnessing. It's the Jordan Bulls. It's like, I'm not a racing guy, but like Lewis Hamilton, right? Or, I don't know, Tiger woods in his prime. It's like you just, it never crossed your mind, like, honestly, like five minutes into the game you're like, chiefs are going to win. Like, you just say that immediately felt like that when Kevin Durant came to the Warriors. If you ever watch them play, like, yeah, they're going to win. Never matter what the score was, like, they're just going to win. There's just no, they're going to win. And that's what it feels like right now with the Chiefs. And honestly, when you go, who's going to win the Super Bowl? How could you say any other name? For a long time I thought, you know, this is going to be the year that they just get knocked out. Their offense is just not good enough. This is going to be the year then they lose some defensive guys. It's like losing the second round, losing the. In the conference championship game. And this is, you know, five or six weeks ago when it felt like they were going to end up losing some more regular season games in the dust settles. And they went 15 and 1, and now they'll rest everyone. Next week, Denver is going to get. The Cincinnati game is way less important now for them because they basically got a shoe and win. He's going to start a bunch of backups and Carson Wentz. So if Denver throws a kitchen sink at him, at him at home, they're going to win. Big game for Carson Wentz to kind of put out some tape there. But it's crazy how this has played out. It is insane. And we tried. And listen, I was probably guilty of this a little bit. You nitpick them. You're like, God, it doesn't quite look as good. God, they're barely beating this team. God, how'd they pull it off? Then you get the booger eaters online. It's like, oh, it's just the refs. It's just the referees. Like, no, this isn't 2002 in the NBA with David Stern, where the referees were literally on the take. This is just like, yeah, the referees make some bad calls. I saw today a stat. You know, the Chiefs have been called for more holding or they're tied for the most offensive holding calls in the NFL. You would think it's the complete opposite. And obviously their offensive line has been atrocious. So it's like, last year was like, oh, this last year was a team to get. It was a year to get them. And then this year it's like, well, they don't have an offensive line. This year's the year to get them. It's like, no, actually, it's just their year again. It's their year again. And one thing we've learned, I've definitely learned in my life, sports are their biggest. When you have a dynasty, parody sounds cool. Parody is like what all these big Jays talk about online. Parody is something that, like, in theory, sounds good. It's like a great academic exercise looks great on a whiteboard. Not great for the consumer because it's pretty clear the consumer is way more dialed in when there's something historic going on. When I was a kid, the 90s. Michael Jordan, NBA's never been bigger, not even close. For about a 10 year run. Golf guy named Tiger woods for the last 20 years in the NFL when it expanded to unforeseen heights. Tom Brady and the Patriots with Peyton Manning kind of chasing them for a large portion of that. That's what we want. And I remember Coward used to talk about this a lot. Like, everyone loves Cinderellas. Till you throw two of the four final four Cinderellas in there. It's like, this sucks. I'm a big fan, you know, of Boise State and what they represent. But like college football is better off if Penn State beats them and it's Penn State Notre Dame or Penn State Georgia than if it's Boise in one of those two teams. It just is. So I think that the Chiefs have just turned into the big bad wolf. Everyone knows them. Obviously they got some like culture crossovers now with, with Kelsey Dayton Taylor with just Mahomes, just pure fame, you know, Andy. Now if you're a football sport nerd kind of chasing like, I mean this dude's coming for the Bill Walshes, the Lombardi's, the Belichicks, like that's kind of the category he's swimming in now. And it just shows you, man. I mean I, I worked for the Eagles when he was fired. And if you would have told Eagles fans the moment he was fired that he's going to get a job here in like a week and in about a decade it'll be pretty universal that the only guy with a straight face you could say is better. And that argument is getting slimmer and slimmer is Bill Belichick. That's what you will say in a decade. And that's what everyone's saying now because he's clearly the best NFL coach. I mean he's just, I mean he just beat the shit out of Mike Tomlin. Absolutely clowned him.
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Doug Gottlieb
Let'S dive into Pittsburgh. I didn't buy into them at all, and I look pretty foolish for most of the year. But it was hard to diminish what they were doing because their defense was excellent and Russell added a passing game that they just haven't had in a long time, and they could throw the lollipop pass down the field and they had a pretty effective run game. But when you have a great defense and your offense is just solid, you're going to be a really good team. And I don't know what's happened the last 11 days. Obviously they've had injuries, but their secondary is atrocious now. They can't cover anybody. And when you can't cover anybody, even if you have a really good defensive line, it doesn't matter. Because when you play elite quarterbacks, they're going to beat you. If you have an elite defensive line and your secondary is just solid, you can get after people. But their secondary right now is a joke. And let's face the Russell Wilson experiment. You can't just throw the lollipop pass over and over and over. And that has kind of gone away. And here's the other thing that happened. He started turning the ball over. What happened Saturday? Two turnovers, right? He had the fumble and he had the bad pick at the end. That was pick six. What happened today? Early on in the game, driving red zone interception. I mean, those are three devastating turnovers. That's something we'd be making fun of like Jameis Winston for. Well, part of getting Russell Wilson, he's resurrecting his career 100 million. It's like, yeah, the more and more he plays, you know, he's scramblings like, yeah, kind of. Okay, kind of been what he's been the last couple years. Your offense just doesn't feel that dynamic with the guy playing quarterback if he's not hitting bombs down the sideline which is not really a sustainable way to play offense. And they scored 10 points at home. And I get it was a short week. Same for the Kansas City Chiefs. Should be such a massive advantage. Short week. But you're watching, the offense just looks like shit. And then defense, they can't cover anybody. And I watched some of Mike Tomlin's press conference when I was waiting for the Ravens game. And you know, he can give incredible ability to play on words and just use his words to be like, God, this guy's just a fucking. This guy's like Picasso with a vocabulary. And just. It's like, well, if I was a Steeler fan, it's like, well, I'm kind of tired of, you know, the definition of insanity doing the same things over. We got to change. Like, yeah, it's just this team looks like crap. And you know what this team is? It's a one and done team. This team is exactly what you've been for the last six, seven years. The same thing. Well, they had another winning record. Great. What does that mean? So they won 10 games and they're going to get to the playoffs and they're going to lose, and then we're going to have to have quarterback. Like, you're going to give Russell Wilson $100 million? Because I saw that out there. Like, given the Baker Mayfield contract, Baker Mayfield is a dramatically better quarterback. The Pittsburgh Steelers would drive Russell Wilson to Tampa Bay to trade him for Baker Mayfield. He's in a different tier. He is much. He's a much better player. So it's like, no, I'm not. I'm not giving him that contract. I. The quarterback contracts. Like, I'm sorry. It's like, well, what are you going to do? I don't know, but this is not going to be good enough. So I'm not just hitching my wagon to this to, like, have the same result over and over. Isn't that what Tomlin just said? We got to look at some changes because what we've been doing, we can't keep doing the same thing and expect a different result. It's like, I look at the Steelers, obviously, they have, you know, a defined characteristic. They're great at drafting defensive linemen and developing a defensive culture. Obviously, Mink has been good, but they lost some guys and they just don't look nearly the same. And these two games represented the big dogs, right? The elites. Super bowl contenders against pretenders is even the wrong thing to say. Just very average teams. Obviously, the Texans benefited a lot this year from Playing in an awful division. And the Steelers benefited. They controlled this, but they got off to an incredible start. And now both of them. Like, you ever had one of those old cars, sometimes a newer car, too, just park and you just move it and you're like, there's oil everywhere. It definitely used to happen with older cars a lot more. That's these two teams. Like, if they're a boat, like, it is in the process of sinking right now. And there's no. Like, what are the Steelers supposed to do? I don't see what their options are. I. I mean, I honestly, I mean, I don't see what's going to change. They play the Bengals this upcoming. You know, they get a longer buy, right, the mini buy, because they played on Wednesday. But they're not beating the Bengals. Like, I don't see that happening. And I don't even think they'll play Houston the first round. I think they lose next week and they're the six seed and they're playing the Ravens. Then they get their ass kicked. And then I think we start asking the questions again. Like, it just feels like we're just kind of running a mud. Tomlin's good. Other teams would. The Bears would sell their left nut to have Mike Tomlin as their coach, but it's like, nothing's going to change here. The same thing's about to happen. So I think it's. I mean, the Steelers just have a problem where it's just same thing over and over. Saw this last year, saw the previous year, just different quarterback. The Texans have a bigger picture problem. Like, why is the quarterback look way different? Like, I get why the Steelers have issue. They haven't been able to find a quarterback. They thought they had one of Russell Wilson. Like, yes, it plugged the. The leak for a minute, but eventually that adhesive broke and you get the leaks coming out somewhere else. Well, the Texans, like, this is rookie of the year. Last year, this guy was part of the reason they put him in this rotation, to be there with Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes and the Pittsburgh Steelers, because people thought this guy was an ascending star. And now you're watching him and I've kind of defended him. It's like, listen, offensive line is bad and it is. And he's run around a lot. I think it's a combination of things. He's not playing that well. I think you lose your confidence when you get hit a lot. The offensive line, the players kind of stink right now. The guards and centers, like, they're just. They're getting. Or this center and guards, they look terrible. And every other play looks like he's running for his life. And Slowik, you know, part of being a. A good offensive coordinator is having, like, a. A feel. Having, like, an innate feel. And you can tell guys that are just good play callers. Obviously, you make bad play calls, but, like, over the course of a season, like, this guy's just really good at it. It comes natural to him. Right? It's like any industry in life. Some people just have a natural feel for stuff. Right? Obviously, a great comedian has to work on his craft, but certain guys are just funnier than others. And you're watching Slowik, you're like, I know. I've seen some broadcasts where clearly, you know, whether it's whoever's calling the game is either buddies with them, who likes them, and they defend them. And I get it. It can be a tough position once you start knowing guys and you like them. He seems like a good guy. I've never heard a negative thing said about him. But usually when an offense sputters like this, someone like Casario ain't getting fired. CJ Stroud ain't getting fired. Nico Collins ain't getting fired. So D'Amico ain't getting fired. You just have to wonder, like, things could get really weird this off season. And, you know, D'Amico's a young coach. I would imagine he wants to stay loyal to the guy, but usually someone pays when there are this high of expectations. That's the thing with Pittsburgh. Like, what, you're not gonna fire Arthur Smith, right? I saw someone tweeted out like, they had Brian Flores in the building, and they kept Austin, the defensive coordinator, and let Flores go to Minnesota. Right? And that was, you know, it was like, well, would they still want Flores, you know, Houston? I don't know, man. I don't quite have an answer now. The Tank Dell thing. I loved Baltimore today, loved Baltimore today because of what happened last week. Like, that's hard to overcome. And clearly they did not overcome it, not even close. And now they look like a team that's just in complete shambles. So congrats to the Chiefs, congrats to the Ravens, and really looking forward to the playoffs. I mean, that's. I mean, we're kind of pivoting toward that playoffs, Black Monday, who's going to get hired, and. And, you know, draft order talk. I mean, that's kind of where we're at. And for the most part, we got a pretty good idea. Like, I think the AFC is pretty set. You have the Chiefs one, you got the Bills two, you got the Ravens three, you got the Texans four. I think the Chargers are going to be five. I think the Steelers are going to be six, and I think the Broncos will be seven. So you got Broncos playing the Bills, you got the Steelers playing the Ravens, and you got the Texans playing the playing the Chargers. So I like the Chargers, I like the Ravens, and I like the Bills. If that's how it plays out. Speaking about playoffs, let's talk about the packers, who the Saints are a joke. I mean, that franchise is in shambles, right? The amount of money they've allocated, the car experiment blew up in their face going in on Dennis Allen. It was just. It's just a pretty epic disaster. They are. That's a team that if it's on television, the only reason you would force yourself to watch if you're not a Saints fan, any snaps of Saint football is because it was in a situation like it's on Monday Night Football and you just can't avoid it because if that game Sunday morning, you just are paying attention, like, oh, is Jordan Love on the field? If not, like, you're just not watching that game. Matt Laflore has made the playoffs now they clinched and it looks like, you know, there's still a chance. We'll see. I mean, if they beat Minnesota and the Lions beat Minnesota, I guess the packers still could be the five seed, but probably going to be the six seed and then probably would play the Rams, which kind of sucks for the Rams. Like, that's a pretty tough draw as a three seed. Getting this, this Packer team, that's. It's pretty damn good. And listen, the organization, they pivoted off, Aaron Rodgers, they went all in on Jordan Love. Just an incredible move and this team is fun to watch. Josh Jacobs, how awesome. You know, most of my life, right, starting in 92, 93, like when Ron Wolf takes over him and Holmgren, they trade for Farve. They really have been good from like 93, 94 till now. Obviously there have been some down seasons, but feels like they made the playoffs 85% of the time now in a weird way, when you've had Farvin Rogers only going to three total Super Bowls feels like a little underachievement, but right now feels like we might be able to make up for that with LaFleur and Jordan Love. And I kind of was on a walk the other day trying to sweat off some Christmas booze, and it kind of hit me that so many Franchises, right, are in major cities, L.A. san Francisco, Dallas, Miami. Obviously we know all the major cities. Think of how unique Green Bay is. They have had two of the best quarterbacks of all time over the last 30 years and now they have a guy that looks like a young ascending star and they play in by far the smallest market in America. When I was on the walk and why I started thinking about this because I was listening to Scott Van Pelt's podcast and he had just been there for Monday night and he's like, this has got to be one of the most unique places in all of pro sports. It's in the middle of nowhere. There is nothing to do. You're shocked when you like see a target and obviously you can be a great franchise. To become a great franchise, you're going to have to hire good coaches and land quarterbacks. And they've done that. Like it's not possible to do that without having those two positions solidified. But I do wonder if a huge advantage for the packers is just being in a place where there is nothing to do. So think about that. If you're a 24 year old, a 28 year old, a 27 year old, and you play major college football all over the country and you get drafted, this franchise, the only people you have to hang out with and really there's not much to do is like go over to their house. So I wonder if Green Bay, they don't have an owner, they're in this tiny little town, benefits from like natural team building by just being in a place where there is literally nowhere to go go and nothing to do. Because one thing when you think about the Packers, I got, it's always been a pretty close team, pretty tight knit group. Was like, yeah, they just have to spend a lot of time together. Especially like they're younger guys. So when you get drafted in a draft class you and the classes above you, like I bet you just spend a lot more time together than maybe you would in some of these other bigger cities where it's like, yeah, I can just go out to a club with one other guy or I can go do what? I mean literally do whatever I want. That is not what you can say in Green Bay. I can just go do whatever I want because there is nothing to do. And you can't convince me that that is not a major reason that no one ever talks about for their success. Separated from great coaches, Holmgren, McCarthy, LA Floors, Studio and awesome, I mean all time great quarterbacks. But I do wonder if this little Town in the cohesion built from their group of guys from all over America, dudes from Texas, dudes from Florida, dudes from Georgia, dudes from California just like end up becoming much closer than maybe they would have if they would have played in Miami. I mean, that was a huge thing we talked about last year in Miami. People thought Fangio was too big of an asshole. He was too big of a dick. You know why? Because think about why has Miami been bad for feels like 25 years? I know they've made the playoffs a couple times, but there can't be a city where there's just more to do. Like, you think the Raiders are going to thrive in Vegas? Probably not. So I. If you're a Green Bay fan, it's not quite Kansas City, right? You'd like to win a couple more championships, but life's pretty good. You got Leflore, made the playoffs five of six years. You got Gudikens, who Rogers hated. So he's like, okay, we'll trade you and we'll insert the guy I drafted. Turns out that guy's sweet. Cuts Aaron Jones. Everyone thought he's nuts. Signs Josh Jacobs, who's been awesome. Love Josh Jacobs. All the young skill guys are sweet. You need a defensive coordinator. You hire a head coach from Boston College who's been an upgrade. Now you're cruising the playoffs. And I think if that game turns out to be Rams, Rams, packers, probably kind of like Green Bay.
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LeVar Arrington
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay Pete Carroll I admire and I respect guys who are addicted to their craft and eat, breathe and sleep it and football coaches like people in a lot of different industries at the highest level and the most successful are addicted to their craft. Like they think about it non stop, they want to be doing it non stop. They don't. They can't relate to people that just punch in and punch out of work. They have nothing in common with those human beings. They love being at the office. They love talking scheme, they love breaking down film and draft prospects and going to practice and game planning and in the Sunday or the Saturday night talk to the team and the pregame warm ups and that field of running out, the feel of running out the tunnel to being in a tie game, the way it gets your juices flowing. They're addicted to it. But the difference between Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick is you saw Bill, Bill's not going to get hired in the NFL. And I, I do think you could, you could make arguments for a lot of different variables. But his age was a major factor. Even if Bill was people thought he was 10 times the that he actually is. If he was 60 years old, I promise you he would have got hired last year. But when you're in your early 70s, you start doing the math. You're like, well if he's, we hire him at 72, 73 years old in like four years he'll almost be 80. But I don't think we want to do that. And Pete, while he feels younger than Bill and his energy and I saw Coward post something about like his energy, I, no one disputes his energy. I need to probably get on the Pete Carroll vegan diet. But no one's hiring him at his age. And clearly he's putting it out. Or you know the story that came out from Schefter. He wants it out like I want to coach. Of course he wants to coach. 1. There aren't many other jobs that pay 10 to 15 million dollars a year. There are not many other jobs that give you that much notoriety, power and public just, you know, that many people talking about you. But it's not going to happen. Like no one's going to hire him now. Could the Bears do worse than Pete Carroll? Of course. Would the Bears be crazy if they hired him? No, they wouldn't. But they're not going to do that one because you're gonna hire a 53 year old guy that is very dependent on his offensive coordinator. And then his offensive coordinator was good. He would immediately lose him. And the one thing, and listen, this might be a Russell Wilson issue more than a Pete Carroll issue, but every offensive coordinator Pete had in Seattle got fired. Honestly, it's one of the craziest parts of Russell's like Pro bowl resume. It's like this guy's one of the best quarterbacks in the league, yet every couple years his offensive coordinator gets fired. All of his peers who were dominating all their offensive coaches became head coaches. They didn't get fired. They went on and got raises. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. There was not a better player or a better guy to coach than a Pro bowl quarterback. They send you up the corporate ladder, yet somehow with Russell Wilson, and maybe it was a Pete Carroll thing, I don't know, but he's just not getting hired. There is no chance any NFL team is hiring. Zero. I mean, I, I, I just, and I think, you know, Bill, his resume was so great, but the age still played a major factor. And Pete, like, let's not act like Pete wasn't power hungry the majority of his Seattle career. Let's not act like he was telling John Schneider who we're drafting. So while Pete has a big smile, he's jumping around, he's chewing that gum. Let's not act like he's Mr. Yeah, you can take these seven things off my Plate I won't need to do it. No, he was very involved. And listen, it's fun story cool to put his name out there, but it's not happening. Last but not least. Well, only time will tell how this will play out. But me and my brother were just talking because all these kids, right, have so many electronic toys from iPads to, I mean David got a little electric scooter this morning that goes like 12 miles an hour. It's pretty badass. I mean kids not even five yet. And the scooter's sweet. He's got electric cars. I got him a plane today. We're flying around the backyard just so much. It's just overload of stuff. And I was like, I'm not trying to undersell like my generation, the 90s, but I felt like when I was a kid he had a bike, he had a baseball glove, probably had a basketball. Maybe you have some golf clubs or tennis racket. I, I think very few people that I went to elementary school with had at the time the only thing that existed were kind of like Game boys. Sega Genesis had one, I forget the name of it, but like I, I could count on one hand the people that possess those. And maybe some people had like Nintendo's and by the late 90s, like Super Nintendo or mid-90s, Super Nintendo and Sega, I guess more people had those. But there wasn't that much stuff for us to be just stimulated non stop. Like if we just wanted to be stimulated, we just like go ride bikes with our friends and you know, like you didn't have that was it. You just kind of rode around right? Now I'm like riding on electric powered thing to go look at my iPad and listen as my brother was saying, and I'm sure my unborn children would do the same. A lot of people and listen, I struggle with this, like I got to put down my phone or my iPad, but all these kids, the world is going to be so technologically driven when you know, in 20, 30 years, right? It's just my brother was telling me a story today about one of the neighboring farmers who bought this piece of equipment for almost like it was like 800 grand. And he's like the amount in one day they can do with three people on this equipment. It takes us with our equipment, 24 people to do. And this is the first year that this like, I don't know exactly what it is or how to explain it further than that, but basically just can, you know, attack a field with three human beings where from historically it took 24 to 30 people to do the same amount of work. And technology is going to change everything. And it's why, you know, Elon's been saying forever, like, universal basic income is coming, because a lot of these jobs are just going to get eviscerated. And people argue about that all the time, but it's not really. The more and more stories you hear, like, yeah, that's going to be gone. That's going to be gone. Jeff was like, I went to get David Taco Bell last week. I went into the store and I'm waiting for someone to, like, I'm just trying to get a bean and cheese burrito for them. And I'm looking around, waiting for someone to serve me. I stand there for 10 minutes, and then all of a sudden one of the guys in the back is like, yeah, we don't. We just have kiosks now. Just like, I just. I wasted 10 minutes of my life because I didn't even real. I don't even have someone that greet. So it's like, obviously the world's changing, and it's just pretty crazy, the options. And again, like, you have to know technology and have the ability to it, because, like, we were talking about today, if you don't as a child, in 20 years, you just get lapped. I mean, you wouldn't even have. You'd have no chance to compete with anybody now. Where the balance is. I don't know. I don't even pretend to know where this is going, but it's. I'm not hating on it at all. Like, it's cool. It's fun playing with the toys. Like, it was cool hopping on the scooter. But there was, I maybe, you know, part of. And you're seeing it now. Like, I don't even know the influencer generation. And maybe there's always been these people. They just haven't had a chance. Like, we had to kind of create on our own. Like, we didn't have a choice. And, like, I just don't think his generation of kids that were born the last, like, five, 10 years, they will ever be bored again. Like, he won't even know what boring is. And I'm just using him to represent people in general. It's crazy. I was bored all the time as a kid. Like, I got three channels to watch. We don't have any movies to watch. It's gotta, like, read a book or go outside and, like, throw the baseball up to myself or go ride a bike with a buddy. I mean, you Just did pretty basic shit. It does feel. And I feel like an old man on a cloud. I don't even have kids yet. But, like, the basic things that just used to happen or pretty just normal in society are kind of just done. They just don't really exist anymore. And the main reason is for technology now. It's just different and we'll have to see where it ends up going. But it's just. It's just wild. It's just stimulation, overload, overload. And listen, I'm. I'm guilty. Like, I'm scrolling and on my phone. Phone on YouTube all the time. I'm no different. So I'm not acting like I'm not part of this as well, but it's just, I. I don't even know. I was thinking about this the other day and talking about boredom. Like, I've never bored anymore. I couldn't be. Because if I find myself being bored, I'll just throw on a podcast. I'll just click on something on YouTube. I'll just do something through technology. Like, it's impossible to just ever be lost in your thoughts anymore. Something I kind of miss and I. Sometimes I force myself to, and you're just like, God, I don't know if I can do this for too long, but just some thoughts from Christmas morning. And I'm gonna go eat right now. So hopefully everyone had a good Christmas. And for those of you starting Hanukkah tomorrow, happy Hanukkah and we will talk soon. I think I'll. I think I'll do a mailbag here in the next couple days, but other than that, Godspeed to Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson, who need to take on Patrick Mahomes at Arrowhead. Gonna be a tough challenge. Obviously, they got to get there first. They got to take on each other probably first, but yeah, football. Football. God, family and football. That's what we used to say in college, in the NFL. So have a great day. We will talk soon. Adios. The Volume.
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LeVar Arrington
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Doug Gottlieb
This is Doug Gottley from All Ball with Doug Gottlieb. Listen, I'm gonna get serious for a minute. The hate in our country is getting out of control. In fact, it's sadly at an all time high. But it's gonna take all of us to stop it. I mean, we're all on the same team in this country. So let's take a break from our hate so our team can regroup. We need to take a timeout against hate. Visit stand uptoallhate.org to help and join me in calling for timeout against hate by following OTs upwithhate or posting the blue square emoji.
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Unknown
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John
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Doug Gottlieb
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John
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