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What is going on everybody? How are we doing, my people? Hopefully everyone's doing well. Everyone's having a good day. My game plan was originally to not do anything and I was like I was looking at my DMs and I have so many and a lot of yours questions for the mailbag get lost. And I don't ever want anyone to think I'm skipping you because I'm not trying to, but just the the process in which we do it right now, it's just some are gonna get lost in the shuffle. So I I kind of went through and got some questions that are a little older I'm gonna try to bang out and thought I'd put out a little weekend mailbag edition sometimes. I know as a consumer, you know, you're working out, you're on a walk, you're just doing something, you need something to listen to and there's never anything new. So kind of like this little honey hole, or as Jerry would call it, a little glory hole, which obviously a lot of people made fun of them. I saw someone come out and said those are actually way back in the day were known as like when you'd find some gold. I think that's what Jerry alluded to, but funny nonetheless. We will have podcasts next week. I'm going to New Orleans for about 48 hours. I'm mainly going not for content purposes though last year there are so many people that I would like to have on the podcast that will be at the Volume party. So it's a good way to kind of, you know, rub elbows and kind of get some relationships so we can interview people throughout the year. But also I just got to meet people that sponsor this podcast, potential sponsors, basically a 48 hour sales trip for me, which, listen, you got to do what you got to do. So today will just be a little mailbag. I try to bang out as many as we can. We're going to go rapid fire. Longtime listener and Eagles fan pump for the super bowl. What do you think is the most important thing the Eagles need to do to pull off the upset and beat the Chiefs? Personally, I think the Eagles O Line vs the Chiefs D line is the most crucial matchup of the game. Long sustained drives and keep the ball out of Mahomes hands as much as possible. I would agree having success running the ball will be huge. But I think if you look back on that packers game, you know, Green Bay for a large percentage of it was playing pretty good defense and ultimately the problem was Jordan Love was an abomination for a lot of it. So that's not going to be the Chiefs I'm trying to pull up. Where is the Chiefs commanders? Packers 22 10. So Saquon ran for 120 yards in that game and a long run of 17. So now the Eagles were up the whole time. Right? I think if that's the case, I think that number would probably be a little lower against the Chiefs and that would be problematic. I think the Chiefs of all their three games will look at the Green Bay game and go, that is our mindset. Going into the game, you know, Saquon had 119 yards. I would guess he had some. Some runs in the second half to help add up to that. You know, Jalen had 6 for 36. You know, the Eagles strategy to win, like, their defense is good, right? You know, Kelsey should have an impact. The Eagles are somewhat susceptible over the middle of the field, but the corner plays good. You know, the Chiefs, what are the Chiefs going to run for? 100 yards. But they were just comfortable playing in these weird, ugly games. So listen, the Eagles, you just got to hope that, you know, Jalen and Saquon can make enough plays on the ground, because when they're making plays on the ground, it opens up their passing offense. And just for explosive plays, though, like, you know, when you watch the Chiefs, like, they're pretty dialed in these big matchups. They really are. And Andy Reid, Mahomes versus Vic Fangio, like, Fangio has been pretty damn good this year. And that's just like, is something going to give? Is Fangio going to finally get off on Mahomes? I think I saw a stat Mahomes throughout his career against Vick, and obviously Vick, you know, was a Bronco coach for a little bit, has been really, really good. So, yeah, I mean, I just think no turnovers, like, that's. You're not going to lose the. If you don't win the turnover battle or just go zero to zero. But you can't have, like two turnovers and they have zero. You can have, honestly, probably any discrepancy. If anything, it has to be a wash. So if you have one, they have one. Okay? But you cannot have one and they have none. Because typically the Chiefs in these big spots, like, you fumble, you turn the ball over, they're going to turn into touchdown. And that feels like it happens in playoff games. Just in general, Packer fan, with Mark Murphy retiring and Ed Policy coming in, the new president, and I think he's Carmen Policy's son. I did not know that. Ed Policy. Let me. Let me look up this character. Ed Policy, Green Bay Packers, 54 years old, from Youngstown, Ohio. Never forget Eddie DeBartolo. Youngstown, Ohio. Little mob run town back in the day. He has been in the Arena League for a long time. He worked in the league office, and he's been with the packers now for well over 10 years. Question. Do you think LaFleur and Goody's seats are at least lukewarm? I'm only saying this because it seems like the floor is a good Coach, but I'm not sure he's the guy to take us over the hump with Goody. I think he always drafts the best quote unquote project instead of the best football player available. I could be wrong in overthinking this. What's your opinion? I just have a hard time seeing them on the hot seat now. I know your organization's a little different. You know, it felt like Mark was the pseudo owner. So now does Ed have that ability? His roles with the packers from 12 to 18 were VP and general counselor. So a.k.a. council, a.k.a. lawyer. Now he's the COO, general general counsel. Yeah, I don't see why he would get rid of either of those guys for the foreseeable future. Didn't they both get contract extensions too? I think we need to pump the brakes a little bit on the talk about those two guys. Pretty legendary move. They punted on Aaron Rodgers. Nailed it. And listen, Jordan loves a polarizing player back to back years in the playoffs. So I think you're going to be okay. Question for the mailbag Big fan. I'm a huge fan of the NFL and I occasionally watch baseball and basketball. I struggle to consistently watch those sports because of the long regular season. I find the regular season games useless when an NFL game every week matters, which is why they are more fun and more successful with viewers. I'm fine with missing a basketball or baseball game, but I feel like I can't even miss a week five primetime NFL game. I think it would be a good idea to make playoff basketball and baseball games a one game series like football. What do you think? The sport's not set up like that. Right. I mean part of football is the games are unique. There's there once a week and before Thursday night Football it was you practice six times more than you play right. In your coaches and the game plan. Like do you think most NBA coaches are game planning on a nightly basis? No chance. Definitely not. You know, implementing it or you know, giving it to the players like they do in a playoff series where the NFL the way you approach week five is not that much different than the way you approach a playoff game. Obviously there's quote unquote more on the line. But like you meet six day, five days before the game, you, you, you know, you get the first down situation, get the Wednesday game plan, then you start talking about third down, then you talk about goal line. You go over special situations. I mean you do the, the Chiefs, the way they approach that Bills game last week is no different than the way they approached a Week 10 game against whoever their opponent was. It's just not right. So I think that is a huge the football, the setup of the sport is just the polar opposite of these other two sports. You know part of baseball is the regular season. It's all the games. So to have a one game situation baseball is not a one game situation sport. Even basketball I'd argue go more five game series but you know their business model is not that and it would feel a little bit unfair because anyone can win in a one game situation which to what you're saying is why you want that. But I think everyone in those sports would push back and it's just never going to happen. Question for the Mailbag I saw a report how the Browns regretted letting go of Flacco, but I also saw the Browns are not even in contention to resign him. Why are these franchises so hesitant on running things back when you had reasonable success? Well it was clear why they let him go. You know you couldn't bring him back with desean which to me now that he's injured and he got injured again for not wearing the boot like desean and Mulgetta pulled one of the great legal scams in American history of what they've done to the Browns. Now the Browns were complicit and specifically their owner had to sign off on it. But it just you talk about wow what a heist. That is called highway robbery and you can never get in trouble for it. Now I saw some reports about them going after him because he wasn't wearing the boot. I would doubt that that comes through but man the Sean Watson story is one of the worst moves when you especially when you factor in the money slash then the play in the history of sports. Honestly it's not even close. So I don't know the Browns. I would guess that they draft a quarterback in this draft mailbag. Great content. Been listening from the UK for two years. I love that you're not afraid. Anyway, question should either the Bills or Ravens consider hiring Spags as their next head coach? Harbaugh and McDermott are great coaches, however their teams clearly have an inferiority complex when it comes to playoff Chiefs. I don't see how either coaches convince their players that they have the game plan to beat playoff Reed and Mahomes Spags would improve the X's nose on defense, but more importantly maybe he could give the players a new belief that he has the formula, the inside formula on beating the Chiefs. Finally this is also potentially weakens the Chiefs defense all the best. Danny, I think you make some valid points. You know, historically, a guy like Spags would always get a job. I think the problem is for those two teams is. Listen, Spags has been an incredible defensive coordinator. When he was a head coach, it was pretty ugly and clearly over his head. And he. There was an article written last year in the Athletic that he's all come to grips with. He's not going to get another job. Like, he understands that's probably the way it's going to go. And it's just, it's just the way it's going to go. He's never going to get hired away. And John Harbaugh won a Super bowl. You know, Sean McDermott. I know it sucks losing to the, to the Bills. There is no guarantee that Spags would be as good as him during the season. I hear what you're saying about the individual matchup with the Chiefs and that is true, that there is no way that he couldn't talk to them about beating the Chiefs and instill some confidence. It'd be impossible for him not to because of all his inside knowledge. I mean, he's practiced against Mahomes for whatever since 10, not 10 years, but six, seven straight years. I, I just think that it's just not going to happen definitely with John Harbaugh. McDermott could get fired, like maybe after another year, but they would not. Harris Bagnola. Hey, John. I've been listening to the POD religiously for about the. About five months. I recently got accepted to Maris College and I am excited to major in sports communication. Did you know what you wanted to do coming out of high school and what did you major in? Did it relate to your passion in sports? I had no clue I was. To say I was an immature 17 year old would probably be an understatement. I was not even remotely thinking about that. I mean, it's. When I was going to college, I was thinking about drinking and hanging out with chicks. That's all I was thinking about. Screwing around. It was a couple years into college where you realize, like, I kind of got bored of that. Not the chicks part, but just the partying and just feeling like, what, what am I gonna do? And I had, I had interned my first summer, maybe it was my second summer in college for this guy at Morgan Stanley, because I was like, that's what people do in college, you know, they, they go and they, they find some white collar job. So I interviewed for this guy at Morgan Stanley who was just like an a. Financial, you know, I Don't know if he's technically a broker. I don't know what his exact title was. Just a VP of Money management. And I remember being a couple months in. I guess it wasn't even a couple. Maybe a couple weeks in. I guess the internship probably lasted the summer, so three months. And I was just doing such stupid, mundane stuff. And one task was like, he used to hold art shows because clearly it helped his business. People would come look at art and then he would BS with them and he'd get their business. Like, it was a smart move on his part, but I was like ripping paintings off the wall and spackling it. And listen, no matter what job you do, especially at 22, 23 years old, more than likely you're going to do some dumb tasks. But at the time, I didn't know anything about the stock market. I didn't even care about the stock market. So I was like, why am I doing this? Because other people say that this is like a good profession, this is an honorable way to live. I don't care about any of this stuff. What I really missed is, like, after high school, I didn't play anything in college. So you're in a fraternity, you got buddies, but it's just not quite the same. I missed. And from there I just kind of got involved in the athletic program and it just kind of took off from there. But I. It was like the only thing in my life that I could see myself doing. Because I realized once you go to a college and Cal Poly has like, you know, engineering school, we were an ag program. I. You have to declare your major at Cal Poly. And it was. I wouldn't have got in just as a business major, so I got in as an ag business major. I mean, my dad was a farmer, and I. I don't even think nowadays, like, it's impossible to get in for anybody. But I just remember some of my roommates were like, you know, architectural engineering. Other people were in business. And I realized, like, I'm not as smart as some of these guys. So if you. Whatever you're going to do as a profession, you better like. Because if you don't like it and you're not, you know, the smartest guy in the room, you're going to be in some trouble when it comes to successfully doing well in whatever you're doing. So I. I realized luckily early on the only chance I had to have success. And I was very driven to be successful, but I didn't quite understand or know what I wanted to do. Right. But even when I went to college, like I knew I wanted to be successful in life. I realized through college, being around really smart people that like I, I gotta find what I like to do to maximize my ability. Because some people didn't even have to try and they would like get straight A's. And those guys went on. I knew I had a buddy that sold his business in his mid-30s for millions of dollars. Smartest guy I've ever been around. And it's just, you got to understand your capabilities. And I think that really helped realizing like I better do what I like to do. And the only thing I really liked in college was sports. So I just kind of gravitated toward it and then it kind of materialized from there. But even there, I love football, but I, if you would have told me like my sophomore junior year in college that I would have worked in the NFL. You know, when I, when I got to be around like Howie and some of these guys in the NFL, they knew they wanted to work in the, I mean how we knew he wanted to work in the NFL when he was like five, it's like Tiger woods, like he knew he wanted to dominate a golf when he was 5. I was not like that. So you don't have to be like that to go on to have success. But once you figure out like kind of the path you want to go, I went all in. You know, the Cortez burned the boats. I never had any second options. I never was going to work in another profession. I was never going to be like, well, just sell insurance for a year. And sometimes when people ask me advice like, hey man, I'm thinking, I got this offer to go work at Chase bank, or I got this offer to go do this. It's like, well, you know, if you do want to follow the sports path, whatever that may be, you're not going to make very much money. So if you do take that other path, even if you are working the shittiest job at Chase bank, especially if you're working like New York City, whatever you're making out of college, I don't even know the going rates for 23 year old, but I'll just pick a number within 100 grand, you're not sniffing that. So within five years, if you start doing well, you will never be able to make the jump. So you'll make enough money where it's like going to be hard to jump even if you don't like the profession. And I had a lot of friends in college that or just Even acquaintances that I knew were making a lot of money in their twenties. And luckily it didn't really phase me. It's like, yeah, I don't want that life while I was making nothing. And then, you know, once the kind of dam opened, I would say six, seven years ago for me, not even that, probably five years ago, you realize all it was all worth it. But there's a lot of times when you start looking in the mirror like, what am I doing? Luckily you like it enough that you just deal with it even because it's natural you're going to complain. Huge fan of the pod. I'm headed to the Scottsdale. I'm headed to the Dale, as he called it. Scottsdale next weekend from Cali for waste management. First time in Scottsdale. Need all the recommendations. Depends where you're staying. I would guess you're probably young, stay in an old town. Not hard to figure out what to do down there. So I would just venture toward Old Town. I'm not a club guy, not my thing. But I know a lot of people, especially younger people like that. I never really liked it in my life. Bottle service club, strip club, different story. But the club, that's a big thing in Old Town. So if you guys like that, you will not struggle to find options. If you're staying in like North Scottsdale, probably like more normal, nice restaurants, not as crazy. I would say it's a little slower up here. But if you're staying in Old Town, you're coming here to have a good time, enjoy it. I think I will be there on Friday so if you see me cruising around, say what's up. Do you think there is any likelihood of John Mara reversing his decision to keep Joe Shane and Day Ball if Saquon leads Philly to the Super Bowl? Given his comments during the offseason, it would compound an already poor season. I think they're stuck. I mean, I think you're just. He made his decision, he's sticking with it. I've been adamant on this. I don't see how they fixed this in one off season. They were so bad last year. I know they got a bunch of injuries as the year went on, but they were terrible. They really were. And part of that was Daniel Jones was atrocious. But who are they going to have playing quarterback next year? I mean, yeah, he was a Trojan. They started going to DeVito and Drew Locke. I know Drew Locke had the one. Who'd they beat again? Oh, the Colts. Drew Locke had like the game of his Life. But I don't know, man. I just think. I think they're in trouble just because I don't think it's possible to accumulate enough talent if you don't have the quarterback. And where are they getting the quarterback? Even if they draft? I saw Clip on Instagram, then Brian Dable at the East West Shrine Game followed Shador around everywhere. He was constantly around Shador. Even if they draft Shador at three overall, I mean, that's. Listen, I gambled on Colorado this year and they won some crazy games, but it's not like they were blowing everyone out, you know, so you're coming to a team and the one thing Colorado had were elite skill guys. He had Travis Hunter, he had other good wide receivers. They could score. Like their skill on offense, neighbors is good, but the rest of the operation, I don't know. And then the pressure of just like everything being on him, he's kind of, you know, he doesn't really play in the context of the offense. He freelance at time, which I don't mind, but I. I think it would be really, really difficult. This is regarding the Bills Chiefs game. I feel like Buffalo's play calling down the stretch really cost them. Cook was dominant with the ball in his hands, and then suddenly all the Bills want to do is run the quarterback sneak. I understand this limits the chances of a negative play, and Josh is obviously excellent, but it also limits the ability for a big play. What do you think about the play calling by Brady in the second half? Why didn't Cook get some more opportunities when he's really cooking? Love the show. I think you could play that game in a lot of big losses in the history of football. And I think it's really, really obvious to us as fans. I think sometimes, you know, in football with the scouts, with the GMs, but sometimes these coaches, they overthink themselves. They just get into this mindset, especially for a young coordinator. Maybe he was adamant that it was going to work throughout the week, and then when it's not working in the game, he doesn't pivot. And you go, how does he not pivot? Because he spent, let's say, 90 hours, slept five hours a night for five straight nights. And he believed, you know, deep in his soul that his game plan was going to work. And then all of a sudden it stopped working, but he refused to pivot. And sometimes I think that's just experience, you know. How old is Joe Brady? 35 years old, 36 years old. How old is he? 35 years old. So he's going up against Steve Spagnola, who's beat literally everyone that matters. That Brady said on the broadcast is the toughest defensive coordinator or one of them he's ever gone against in his life. He's an incredible blitzer. He's an incredible schemer. Steve Spagnola is 30 years older than Joe Brady. Steve Spagnola broke into the NFL 25 years ago. So Joe Brady, who everyone you know loves that he was the assistant offensive analyst for The Saints in 2018. His first year in the NFL was 2018. Steve Spagnola, at 40 years old, joined Andy Reid in 1999. It's just not a fair fight. And if you're not going to adapt, like, I don't know, we've seen it happen time and time again, we'll see it happen again. I'm sure you are doing the post game take right now, so maybe I've missed the boat. The Chiefs Reed Mahomes are legit and deserve to go to a Super Bowl. No argument. However, while Allen was over amped tight in the first half, I feel like Brady was as well. And it cost the Bills the game on. They were oh four on sneaks over the left guard abandoning the run. Terrible red zone play calling. Yes, players have to execute. But totally agree. One huge advantage for the Chiefs these last two years and this is why they're champions. Right? It's football is not just about like who who has the best roster. You know, who the Chiefs are depending on. Xavier Worthy, who's a rookie. Right. It's about we are going to outthink you. We are not going to make the mistakes you're going to make. Why? Because Andy goes. I made that mistake 20 years ago. I'm not making it again. It's why Andy has been so brilliant now that he has Mahomes in the biggest spots. Why? Because he's had so much experience. Thirty years ago he was coaching with Holmgren and Brett Favre so he can lean back on God. I remember this. I remember Mike Holmgren. We should have done this and we didn't do this. Or the one time that we thought we were going to do this and we ended up doing this and it worked. How did these guys. He's going up against Todd Monkin and Joe Brady who are really good and against most people they have an advantage. But like playing Andy Reid and Steve Spagnola, I'm looking at Todd Monkin, who has a long career coaching. First year coaching was 1991 graduate assistant Notre Dame Todd Monkins first year in the NFL was 2016. His first year coaching in the NFL, actually. Excuse me. He coached for Jacksonville in 2007 as a wide receiver coach. Did not become a coordinator in the NFL till 2016. And he has. He's much older than Joe Brady. But both those guys, for whatever reason, do they get tight? Do they try to force feed something that was, you know, tied to their game plan because they spent so many hours? I don't. I don't know. But they have both been the reason their teams lost Monkin for sure. And even to the Bills, the Joe Brady, the quarterback sneak things. I can't even imagine what Spags is like. How are they continuing to run this? It's crazy. I hear you. I have a question for the mailbag. Do you think the Bills should go get Belichick? Do you think they would consider it? Well, I think it's pretty clear Belichick is going to coach at North Carolina this year. I just saw a headline today. I think North Carolina plays Duke Saturday night, and they're going to buy all the frats a bunch of pizza. You know, Belichick's really kind of embracing. A lot of people think, like, Belichick really wants to coach in the NFL. I do wonder if you're. Bill, you're just kind of ready for a new challenge. I wonder if it's kind of fun. You get around a bunch of young people. Your girlfriend's 25. It's just. It's not like he's making $3 million. He's making a ton of money. He's got his buddy there, he's got his kid there. I wonder if he's just kind of enjoying life now, if the team sucks. I could see him wanting to bounce, but it now he's going to say, at North Carolina. My question is, let's say the same thing happens to the Bills and they go, okay, time to move on from. From Sean, what does Bill need to do to make you feel good about hiring? Like, Could Bill go 6 and 6 this year and get hired in the NFL? Could Bill go. I don't think he'd go 5 and 7. But what if he went 7 and 5? Does it not matter at all? I don't know. I think you'd have to acknowledge that if he went like 10 and 2 and they were really good, for sure that would help him. But if you win six, seven games, eight, nine, probably okay. Bill's fine. I mean, it's going to be 73, 74 years old, and, like, you'd be like, well, Pete Carroll got hired. Yeah, P.K. harold got hired by the Raiders, who fucking blow. Bill ain't taking that job. The quarterback meta has clearly shifted toward the dual threat. Quarterbacks who can pass and run. And it's not just Mahomes. Quarterbacks across the league are exploiting the protections the NFL rules gives them. I agree. This needs to be addressed. The protections for quarterbacks shouldn't apply when they behave like running backs. It's incredibly frustrating to watch quarterbacks slide at the last second, only to draw 15 yard penalties when defenders had no chance to avoid the tackle. If quarterbacks want protection, they need to slide well in advance of any hit. The same principle should apply on the sideline. If a quarterback is trying to maximize yardage or chooses not to step out of bounds when they clearly could, they need to accept the risk of being hit. Refs should judge each situation with one question. Is the quarterback actively trying to maximize yardage? If the answer is yes, they should be treated like any other player. Totally agree, man. I mean, I don't, I don't think anyone disagrees with you once you run as a quarterback. Listen, I'm all for protecting him when they're throwing, but these guys taking off have to be treated no different than Saquon BARKLEY or Christian McCaffrey because that is what they become. But they're just simply not. And when they run, they are treated completely different. Now, part of it, I would say one major difference is when Saquon Barkley gets around a tackle and is in the open field like that Trevor Lawrence play, or any quarterback that's going to slide, they are never going to slide. So the play as a, as a slider, that just changes the visual of a guy flying in, right? Because you're sliding, you are then pretty exposed. And I would say when you do slide, you are defenseless. When you lower your shoulder. You know, Baker Mayfield was the playoff game that he lowered his shoulder against Washington. There was a game, maybe it was the last game of the season, maybe it was the last game of the season. That's what running backs do. So like most, a lot of quarterbacks slide. And if you slide like I hear you now, if you slide too close to the defender, like, then you kind of complicate the situation. But it is different than most. Skill guys like Dallas Goddard and Travis Kelsey aren't sliding. Saquon Barkley's not slighting. Kareem Hunt doesn't slide. Quarterbacks do. So I don't know the exact answer, but I Hear you. They can't penalize everyone for tackling. As a Rams fan with Stafford's age, would you draft a quarterback this year? You know there's a lot of growing buzz on Jackson Dart being a potential first round pick. And I've already thought could the Rams take them in the 20s, would they be a team? Because you look at a lot of teams that in the 20s, right? Teams that made the playoffs, who would take a quarterback? Chiefs? No. Bills? No. Ravens? No. Texans? No. Chargers? No. Steelers? Potentially. Bengals? No. Colts? Probably not this year. Lions? No. Eagles? No. Tampa? No. Vikings know. Commanders know. Packers know. Like of all the good teams I would say they would be the potential to draft a quarterback for sure. Can you speak to the inflation in the draft for quarterbacks? I feel like Shador five or ten years ago wouldn't even be a first round pick. Since Mahomes, Allen and Lamar, every GM thinks they have to have a quarterback in the first round. I think it really changed in the middle of the teens because I think guys trying to think of the year, Derek Carr, what year was Derek Carr drafted? Derek Carr was drafted in 2014. If you go to the 2014 draft, there were two quarterbacks taken in the second round, one being Derek. Teddy Bridgewater went at the end of the first, he went pick 32, Derek Carr went pick 36 and I'm pretty sure Jimmy Garoppolo went pick 62. I think nowadays Derek is a 100% lock first rounder and I think Jimmy would be highly discussed as a late first round pick. I think when you look historically this draft is a good example. I'm with you. I think Shador would go on the second day of the draft. I think Jackson Dart for sure would be like a third round pick. I think Cam Ward would be like a project for someone in the 20s. And the moment that Kenny Pickett and Mac Jones back to back years went in the first round, it was like people were paying $5 million for a million dollar home. And then it turned out well, those homes actually probably worth like a hundred thousand dollars. And that's where you get in big trouble. You know when you overpay for stuff, it doesn't kill you if that thing works right Whatever it might be in life. But when you overpay which what a high first round pick is on someone that is not even remotely close to that. And especially a quarterback, at least at other positions you can't like if a defensive lineman, you draft a defensive lineman 10th and it turns out you know what this guy's not going to be J.J. watt. This guy's not going to be an All Pro, but he's okay. He can still play. Same thing with receivers or tight ends or running backs. Like, they can still play, but at quarterback, if the guy sucks, you're just like, we're kind of screwed. We're just really, really screwed. You know, Will Levis is a good example. His junior year, I liked Will Levis. I'm not going to deny that I thought he had a chance. By his last year, it was really ugly. And clearly as a pro, like he was a guy that just you, you can't plan, you just can't play. 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