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Steph Curry
For the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called the Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Peja 5 Dirk Ford.
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Nikki Glaser
Peja is a lie. Okay.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Podcast Host
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Love it.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Go G O T e Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Nikki Glaser
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Nikki Glaser
What is going on everybody? How are we doing little weekend mailbag? Got a million questions. Try to get to a lot of them over the course of the week and that is what I will do today. So little middle cough mailbag at johnmittlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. Colin and I will do a podcast. One of my I'm recording this on Friday so we will record on Sunday afternoon. Sunday night. A lot of rumors flying around the old National Football League Right now with player movement. Saw DK Metcalf, potential trade. So we got a lot going on and the rumors and the stories will keep on flying out of Indianapolis at the NFL combine. I always say like combine. So boring. And then last night I'm glued to it on my couch watching 310 pound men run around little cones and run 40s. It entertains to me, I'm not gonna lie. But other than that, if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the three and out podcast. This is audio only, but we got a YouTube channel, so fire on that YouTube channel and. And yeah, let's start with some questions. We'll try to do a little rapid fire here. Jacob, what's the deal with the Tush push? I don't understand why they would get rid of it. It's football. The whole game is predicated on imposing your team's will against the other. Help this stud spud farmer from Idaho understand what the rationale is. I'm sure he's a Cooper De Jean and Caitlin Clark fan. I guess that's Iowa, not Idaho. Maybe you're a Doug Nussmeier fan. He was a quarterback back in the early 90s at Idaho. Mike Upati I would say this. If the Eagles had just gone 7 and 10, 7 and 10, 7 and 10, 7 and 10, aka the Falcons, and they had the Tush push, no one would care. It would not matter. I promise you that. It just would not be a major story. But when you dominate and when you win the super bowl and you've won your conference twice in three years, it's no different than most industries. There are a lot of companies right now doing things that would really piss off the government, their competition, if they were bigger. And once you get to a certain level, that is Google, Facebook, you name it, people start coming after you. So I think the Eagles, with them winning, right? If they are, let's just pick another team. If they were the New York Giants running the Tushbush and that was their play, the last under Brian Dabel, no one would be talking about this. But when you win the super bowl, it just becomes like it's unfair. I mean, the Patriots dealt with stuff like this forever. It's just part of the deal. Let's face it, if you're going to be a winner in life, if you're going to be successful, especially financially in most businesses, people are going to come after you. That's the way the world works. It's kind of sad, but it's just. It's just a reality. It's no different in football. It really isn't. So I'm with you. I don't really have. It doesn't bother me. Like it's, it's. I've seen other teams attempt to do it and they don't do it as well. Right. And I do agree with Sirianni of like they do take that play pretty seriously, coaching it up fundamentally. And that they have the, I mean they have the X factor that their quarterback squats like £9 million I would imagine. I think about this. But there's probably currently not a stronger quarterback in terms of his legs in the NFL. You know, and even like over the last 20 years, you pick a guy like Cam Newton who's probably pound for pound, you know, the strongest, most powerful quarterback in NFL history. He's so tall that part of the play is he can get low. We just saw Josh Allen, who's like a Cam Newton better version. He. It's hard for him to get low. I mean part of that play is Jalen disappears. So I don't know. I mean I, I'm not that worked up over it, but I get. If I was like lived in Philadelphia, I'd actually kind of enjoy this because this type stuff that the big dogs deal with, like I said, this is the stuff the Patriots dealt with forever. People are always taking shots. The Yankees, the Lakers, like this is. That's a good thing. Another question about the Eagles. Do you think the position of OC for the Eagles is going to become less important as Jalen becomes more and more comfortable at the line of scrimmage? With Kelsey retiring this year, he got more responsibility the line. As you saw the season go, you saw his confidence commanding the offense increase. I feel like that confidence is going to continue and grow. Eventually he'll be able to be like an OC on the field. Yeah, I mean I listen being the offensive coordinator and I think I saw a stat, you know, if you think about it, he had a bunch of offensive coordinators in Alabama. He then transferred to Oklahoma, which obviously a new offensive coordinator in Lincoln Riley and then he has had in Philadelphia, he's had Doug Peterson, he's had Nick Sirianni, then Shane Steichen, then Brian Johnson and Kellen Moore and now whoever Patolo. I just counted on my hand, I mean you're talking six plus coordinators in a five year NFL career. Like it is difficult now. I don't think much is going to change for the Eagles. So this transition is pretty easy. But it's not as easy as the way you make it out to be. I don't, I don't think. And here's the other thing. Like, Jalen, I say this all the time about the NFL and this is the best part about sports. Like it's, it's either win or you lose. So like there's no revisionist history. It's like, well, they got really close again. They lost in the first round, right? I won the super bowl. But they were coming down the home stretch in some trouble there against the ramps. And I just pulled up that box score. Matt Stafford, who wants way more money than the Rams are willing to pay him through for 324 yards and two touchdowns in that game. Jalen Hurts was 15 to 20 for 130 yards. So like, what if they would have lost that game? But that's the point of sport. They didn't, so who cares? And that game gets forgotten. And then all we remember the last two games where he dominated. So I just think that, you know, it's part of the way that we discuss this whole thing. And it's why I hate, like, coaches love doing this. And the average guy, when he says, it's one thing if Andy Reid wants to say it, you know, or the top guys, but like when the dude drafting seventh overall in the draft, that coach for like three straight years hasn't had a winning record is like, we're a process oriented thing. It's like, no, this business is about results. The reason everyone wants to know about Nick Saban's process is because he was winning championships so he could talk about the process. Like Jeff Bezos, his process is interesting because he created the biggest company of all time, Steve Jobs, whoever, right? But no one wants to hear about the process unless you want to know how not to fail. About the guy that went bankrupt four times, you know, I think we got to be, we got to be careful about that. But listen, you win, you get to dictate the terms. And I think Jalen, he's going to have a lot of positive momentum coming into the season. In your scouting days or even when you were around the league, was there a player that comes to mind that didn't have the greatest measurables or physical traits, but was an absolute baller and you could tell immediately, you know, people forget this because he's, I mean, honestly, he's insanely famous right now, but when Jason Kelsey came into the NFL, he was. I just pulled up his pre draft measurables. Again, this guy's a center now, a Lot has changed, I would say, and even at the time, but it was really hard to play offensive line if you weren't 300 plus pounds. When he went to the combine, he was 280 pounds. Now what he had really going for him is he ran basically like a 4, 9, 40 in his 10 yard split. Like he was really athletic, he was a freak show. But he was small and a lot of people, like he wasn't like a second round center. When you look at some of the guys the Eagles have that, that have taken over for him, you know, Cam Juergens was a second round pick. Landon Dickerson, second round pick. So the two guys that I know, Dickerson's technically a guard, but if he has to, he can play center. I mean those guys. Landon Dickerson for example is 6 foot 5, basically 6, 6, 330 pounds. Cam Juergens is. Cam Juergens is, you know, Jason Kelsey, 6, 3, but he's 300 pounds. So he's 20 pounds heavier at the same spot. And as athletic, Jason was really small relative to the rest of the league. That's why he went in the sixth round. But Howard Mudd, who had come from Peyton Manning, you know, Peyton, they really were able to take a lot of like random offensive linemen and be really successful. Now a huge part of that was because Peyton could like get rid of the ball extremely quick and was like basically an offensive coordinator. That was a player very unique situation. But Howard was an elite offensive line coach and like the small quick guys. But Jason was really small and a lot of people didn't think he would be able to hold up. And then in training camp he won the starting job, so. And then never looked back. Was a starting center for the Eagles for. What year was that? 2011, for the next 12, 13 years and clearly got better with age. Now part of it I think he got stronger and bigger and even he said, and listen, this is another thing. And I think Baker Mayfield is kind of the modern Jason. Jason was a pretty big party, I don't want to say screw around guy, but was like early on in his career, big party guy. He was young and I mean a lot of guys in the NFL are, but if you look at his career, he didn't start. He was a good player and became an immediate starter. But even I think I heard him on a podcast say this, like there were trade rumors at the end of the Chip Kelly, beginning of the Doug Peterson era, he started making pro Bowls. Think about this. Jason Kelsey was drafted in 2011 and began starting immediately. He did not make a Pro bowl till 2014, so several years into his career, but he became a high end, like first team all pro 2017. And even he says it's because of his wife. So he met his wife, started having children, and it changed his career. And I think when I look at Baker Mayfield, you know, it looked like battled some stuff, maturity wise, got in a serious relationship, got married, had a child. Now as a fucking stud. I mean, I don't know what's Baker top seven eight quarterback in the NFL. And on given weeks, I mean, can be one of the best players in the NFL. So I think sometimes you just see like, this guy's going to play in the NFL right away. And some guys depending on the positions, like, you need the pads on. So it's sometimes hard to tell in training camp, right? But I remember, like the 49ers, like, I think sometimes you're asking questions like, Khalil Mack shows up or Amari Cooper shows up, or, you know, whoever. George Kittle was a guy, but George Kittle, the Iowa offense is terrible. He's a freak physically. I remember who Funga, who is a free agent right now, you know, fell to the third day of the draft out of USC because a lot of people didn't think he had a position. It's like, well, he's not big enough to play linebacker and he's not fast enough to play safety. And then he started playing football. You're like, this guy's a good football player. He's battled injuries the last couple years, but, like, when healthy, like, he's a really, really good player. He just can't stay healthy. So I think sometimes you just don't know until the pads come on. We got in a lottery for the Masters and got tickets for a practice day. Any recommendations on which hole to sit and watch? Big Florida Gator fan. How do you think they're going to be this upcoming year? Well, I've never been to Augusta, so I, you know, I. The way I would approach it would. I would be walking all over the course. And I know based on people discussing it, it's not the flattest course. So it's. It can be a challenging walk. I would take in every hole. I would walk every blade of grass. You know, like Belichick used to say, we are going to defend every blade of grass. That's how I would approach Augusta. I would start at hole one and I would work my way through 18 holes, and then I'd probably work backwards. I would check out the entire property. And everywhere I could go, I would go. Especially a practice round. I would do less sitting at a spot, and I would be roaming. I would treat that thing like a. Like a pike. And I would never stop moving beside to slam some sandwiches and some brewskis. The Gators, I do believe this. I think they were one of the hottest teams in the country down the stretch. And I think if they would have got in the playoffs and matched up against some. Some teams, like, could they have beat Ohio State? No, but, like, could they have given Notre Dame or Penn state a game? 100%. Would Indiana beat Florida at the end of the season? No fucking chance. So I think Florida, I think it's fair to go. Could we win nine, ten games next year? Now, I'd be lying, you know, from a roster standpoint, if I'm, like, comfortable, like, you're too deep. I don't know that. But clearly that young quarterback's good. And, you know, physically, like, you guys have some talent. Like, watching that game against Ole Miss, I was impressed. So props to Napier for saving his job and honestly, just building up a lot of positive momentum. You know, one thing I was I. Having drinks with them or we talk on the phone? I think we were talking on the phone. A scouting buddy of mine who knows all these programs really, really well and is very, very close with a lot of coaches in the south, and especially the Saban tree. And he said, you know, the sad thing, and this is when it looked like Billy was going to get fired. He's like, if you go into the Florida program and if you talk to people around the program, like they're doing it the right way, the way the program structured, the way they recruit, the way they run practice, just the way they. The way from the top down they run the program, it just hasn't translated to wins. But, like, from a football standpoint, everyone that goes through there is impressed. And finally down the stretch, they start getting results. So I think the hard part is sometimes with the SEC schools is if you get a guy like Billy Napier and his momentum doesn't snowball in a positive way, immediately people go, how are we going to beat? Because there's so many famous coaches, like, how are we going to be Kirby Smart? How are we going to beat Lane Kiffin? How are we ever going to be on? Saban was there. We're not on their level, right? And then all of a sudden, he gets the ball moving in the right direction. You just. It's a hard leak. I mean, it really is so I'm rooting for the guy, but I don't know who's scoring big in the NBA this season. You are with the all new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From dunks to assists to rebounds, get behind your favorite player and the prop bets you can make on DraftKings, the home of NBA player props. Ready to place your first bet? 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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Go Greatest of Their Era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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PAJA 5 Dirk Ford PA is a leaf.
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Steph Curry
Okay, okay, I'm mad him.
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Nikki Glaser
I left him off my list, but I still like my list.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Podcast Host
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely. Love it Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Podcast Host
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like, you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G O T E greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Nikki Glaser
This is a question about the Saints. We've been awful year after year. Even though our division is a joke, I don't see this team being good for another three years. Can the Saints. What can the Saints do to make the playoffs next year? I do think if they can just stay healthy, they can be a competitive team. And I actually don't know if that division's really going to be a joke for long. You know, the way the Panthers played down the stretch, like they were a real football team. Now are they a 9, 10 win team? No. They have a long way to go. Hell yeah. But like the team that started playing when Bryce came back, that was a real NFL team before they felt like one of the biggest jokes of all time. So I do think that, you know, the Falcons, I don't buy into them, but like they got real players and they can be competitive. I mean, there's a reason they win seven, eight games every year. Like they're not like a three win team and Tampa's just good. So I would just say stay healthy. And they need Derek. You know, Derek's had two or three really good years in his career. If they can get one more out of them, yeah, they compete for a wild card spot. If they can't, they'll, they'll suck. I got this question and I don't think I saved it. And sometimes things get lost in the shuffle on Instagram. Is someone asked, you know, for years and I remember this conversation happened a lot when I was a kid. Like, could the worst NFL teams of the last 20, 30 years could the best college football team, right, Like USC in the peak of their powers, Miami in the peak of their powers, LSU that went 20, 19, that whatever their record was 15 and oh, is there any chance they could beat them? And the, the pushback has always been no chance. They got 22 pros and that team does not. And I understand that argument. I do think if you look at a team that goes like 1 in 15 or 2 and 14 or oh, and 16 or 1 in 17 or whatever @ the start of the year, could that team beat him? No, because they do have a lot of pros on the team and they are just going to be healthier and physical. But if you get that version of the great college football teams that are full of, I don't know, let's say 80% of their roster aren't just pros but like a lot of those guys are going to be pro bowlers and 10 year starters. And if you look at a team that's going to win one or two games past like October, November when they've had a bunch of injuries and they are playing with guys you've never heard of and guys that are not going to be in the NFL long, I do think that could be interesting and I wouldn't put it past now. The difference too is let's use 2019 when you go. Well they got Joe Burrow, Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. How like those guys would be able to score on everybody. Yeah, well those guys in college, like Jamar Chase now is now. He was damn good in college but he's dramatically better now. Same thing with Justin Jefferson. So you're not getting like Minnesota Vikings year five Justin Jefferson. Right. Or year five Jamar Chase. You're getting the 20 year old version. So you kind of got to factor that into. I don't think people quite realize too like how much better like Miles Garrett was the number one overall pick and he was an elite prospect. He is in a different stratosphere in terms of how good he is at football year 6, 7, 8 than he was at 20 years old then. That goes for any player. I'm feeling lost and confused. As a Giants fan, I feel as though we're in a similar model to the Eagles, not overthinking it and investing in the trenches from blue chip schools with Evan Neal and Thibodeau when we draft those guys they turn out to be mid but I'm sure if either fell to the Eagles it would be another all time steal and a genius move by Howie. How much is drafting talent evaluation versus culture and players end up the solution for the Giants moving forward? I'd be lying if I can give you like a breakdown on Evan Neal, but I would say the Kavon Thibodeau, like I did not think he was some game changing prospect, that he was pretty stiff. He's not like a bend the edge guy. So to me those type players tend to look more like Cleland Farrell. Solomon Thomas doesn't mean he can't play in the NFL for a long time. But you draft him in the top seven, eight picks, you're expecting T.J. watt or J.J. watt or Miles Garrett or some of these guys. It's just, you know, I know Chase Young got injured, but the guy he became was just like a powerful straight line guy. You can only do so much when that's your style. And I think that's Kayvon. Like, he's talks a big game, but he's just kind of an average player. And I don't think he has like a great skill set to be a Pro bowl all pro level impact, you know, huge money guy. And I think when they took him, like, I would say this about like, let's use Saquon or Malik neighbors. Like, those guys are elite prospects and that's who you want to draft really high. Now we can argue about taking a running back that high, but like Saquon was an elite prospect. Every Giants fan knew that immediately. Like, this guy's a free talent. Same thing with Malik. You watch Kayvon, you're like, I don't know. I mean, I'm old enough to remember when you guys used to take jpp. Well, JPP was a freak. He was strong, he could bend. He was huge. Like, I think sometimes you just take, you know, you force a position. And I'm telling you, I think you put Kavon on the Ravens, on the Eagles, maybe he's a little better, but you're not getting some all Pro. So I would push back a little bit on that. Been listener for years. My question is, do you see the greatest college quarterback of all? My question for you is, who do you see the greatest college quarterback of all time as? I'm not talking stats, but more so impact, winning a championship and being borderline unstoppable. I might be biased being an Auburn fan, but Cam Newton will always be ranked above Tim Tebow or Joe Burrow based on what he did with that Auburn team. That was not going anywhere. The defense was very talented, but compared to who Tim Tebow was throwing the ball to and the overall talent of the team, plus Urban was his coach. It's obvious. Just debating your opinion. Yeah, if you just say who did the most impressive thing with the least? I mean, Cam Newton dragging a team that did not have that many pros to a national championship in the SEC was remarkable. But I would say this about Cam because of everything that happened at Florida. Like he was a true blue chipper, you know, Urban Meyer recruited him there, so it wasn't like he was this little engine that could like, you know, Johnny was a little more Little Engine that could and was just remarkable in college. I mean, Cam should have been at Alabama or Florida and you guys were able to pull him. And what he did was, I mean, I'll never forget was his first or second year, probably like his third year going to a Niner game at Candlestick. And I just like I'm going to go to Cam Newton's post game press conference. I think they just beat the Niners. This was when Harbaugh was there and seeing Cam Newton in person and thinking, this guy looks like LeBron James. This guy is enormous. So I think when you look at Joe Burrow, I mean, he's playing with Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson. I mean, those two guys, let's face it, should both go to the hall of Fame. Long way to go, a lot of production to be had. But those two guys are hall of Fame talents. And you go back like when I was growing, like you said Tebow, I mean, those Florida teams were some of the best teams of all time in terms of just every player was going to the pros and getting drafted high. Same thing with Leinart, right? Liner played because Leonard's record is hard to beat. Even Kellen Moore, who I think is probably one of the more underrated college players of all time, look at it. I mean, Kellen Moore's college stats are pretty insane. Like they, you know, part of with Liner, who was an unreal college player and really clutch, they ran the ball a lot. I mean, they had arguably the best backfield in all of college football. Kellen Moore, his last couple years, well, he started as a freshman, but his sophomore year, 39 touchdowns, three picks. His junior year, 35 touchdowns, six picks. His senior year, 43 touchdowns, nine picks overall, 142 touchdowns and 28 interceptions. I think it's like a 5 to 1 ratio there. And the one thing, obviously their schedule is a little easier. In some of the big boys, they beat everybody that they weren't supposed to beat. From Georgia to Oregon multiple times. They were upsetting people left and right. I think Kellen Moore is an underrated name. Yeah, I mean, Cam Newton's clearly one of the greatest college. Had one of the great college seasons in the history of the sport. Living in Sac, I work at El Macero Country Club. Say hi to a man named Jeff Middlekopf, who is a little, little country club member up there, plays a little golf. Have been a Cowboys fan my whole life. When you look at the best run organizations in the league there is a constant thread of having a great gm, quarterback and owner who is not meddling. Can you realistically see the Cowboys getting back to the super bowl? Back into super bowl contention in the next five to 10 years? You guys haven't made the championship game. Super Bowl. You guys haven't made it past the second weekend of the playoffs in 25 years. Actually 30 years. Right. Because the last time 96 is 20. 20. Yeah, 30. 30 years, three decades. Have not been to the conference championship game. Think just let's just pick your division. The Eagles have won been to two Super Bowls in the last three years. The Giants 07 and 11 have won multiple Super Bowls. So those two teams have a combined four Super bowl since 2007 and you guys haven't been in a conference championship game since 1996. Even the commanders this year went to the conference championship game. It's pretty nuts. It really is. So I would say no. Like I my days of betting on the Cowboys are over because I did pick you guys. I listened from out in Australia. Love your stuff. I know you love golf. What is your golf handicap? I'd be shocked if it wasn't single figures. Yeah, I mean technically on paper it's like a four right now, but I've embraced golf of as long as I shoot anywhere from 75 to 85. I'm just having a good time. I'm not a competitive golfer. Besides gambling on golf with whoever I'm playing with. I just try to enjoy it when I'm hot, make a couple of birdies, have a good time when I'm shooting in the mid-80s, whatever, just put a smile on your face. Have a double vodka. So I would say the key to my I, I don't let golf work me up at all anymore. Single digit sounds more impressive. I mean I've been playing 30 years. Question for the pot. I've been curious to know your opinion of the state of the NBA. Personally I think it's the worst it's ever been due to for many reasons. I actually, you know talking to Colin about this last week and how baseball in the NBA are actually basically the same thing except the NBA gets an outsized amount of coverage on television and a big part of that is because ESPN's In Bed with them and I think a lot of the guys on Fox Sports 1 like basketball. Steph Curry went for 56 points last night and I watched the highlights. He was just, I mean it was just vintage Steph. I think the NBA is in major trouble. When Steph Curry and LeBron James retirement. And the problem is LeBron James is 40 and Steph Curry is 37. So even if they are on like a Tom Brady like, run here, which it does feel, both guys are still fucking elite, that they're not going to be around that much longer. And I was talking about this with a buddy the other day. I was actually at the gym this morning, got up early, take the dog. She had to go to the groomer, dropped her off like seven. Went to the. Went to the old, the Village, got a sweat on. And I'm looking up because they got TVs up on the wall like most gyms, you know, a couple are on the news channels and ESPN and ESPN2 are on, and Stephen A. Smith. I look at the, you know, the ticker or like, whatever the headline is below them, it's like, could Anthony Edwards be the face of the league? I think the casual sports fan knows absolutely nothing about Anthony Edwards. I'm talking about a guy that, like, is into sports. And the amount of games they have seen Anthony Edwards play over the last several years is really small. And the equivalent of Anthony Edwards, a guy that's 22, 23 years old, several years into his career, really good player. Let's use. When I was a kid in like the mid to late 90s, would have been like Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan. I could be wrong on this, but in my opinion, I think those guys at the same point in time were dramatically more famous and bigger deals. So what I'm saying is that's a problem for the NBA, is the league. As long as the warriors and Lakers, like, win some playoff rounds, the league will be okay because the ratings will be pretty good. Right? But if those guys disappear, like, listen, I think Jokic is one of the best basketball players I've ever watched. The consumer's just not watching him. And the Celtics just don't do that much for people. No one's watching the Cavs, and they're awesome. I think the NBA is in major trouble. Not financially. They signed this big deal and they're going to get paid. I don't know how these networks are going to make their money back. Now. You could argue Amazon doesn't really care. But I think that if I was Steph Curry and LeBron James and the league just signed this enormous deal, like, I. I'm probably worth half of that and I'm not even going to be around for the majority of it. That's a problem. They used to Just be able to cycle in new stars. I think part of it is the international game. Like, Lucas story is really, really big and people have watched him play, but him not being American is a problem. I mean, part of the growth of the NBA. You know, by the time I kind of came into my Sports watching early mid-90s, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird were already gone. But, like, they were the people that really drove the NBA, right? And then Michael Jordan took the torch and took it to even higher levels. What do all three have in common? All American born. American born stars. It's just not the same with Jokic and Luka. It's just not hell. Nico Harrison, former agent guy, shoe deal. Hated that Luca drank beer. It's like Nico, who gives a. Michael Jordan used to drink a 12 pack playing golf with Jeremy Roenick and then score 40. It's like this guy carried your ass to the NBA finals. Sometimes as a gm, you have this preconceived notion of, like, what's right and wrong. Like, this guy's European. You ever been to Europe? They drink like multiple glasses of wine at lunch and then go have a nap. Cultures are different. The only thing I care about is, like, on any given game, can the guy score 40 and beat whoever we're playing in any given moment? It's like, well, I like this guy because he works out harder. Give me a break. But I mean, I think when you're two best players, you could argue the three best players in the NBA are like Jokic, Luka and Giannis. I mean, it's just, this isn't the euroleague, this American basketball, and it hurts. I mean, Ethan Strauss been writing about this for a long time. Like, Americans, like rooting for Americans. Why do you think Caitlin Clark's pretty big deal? Like, she feels like the most fun women's basketball player I've ever watched. It would not be the same if she was from Lithuania. I promise you that. What does the NFL got going for you? This is an American league. Like, ultimately, you're running the majority of your business here in America. Can I tell you about my friends at Mando? They've taken care of me for a long time now. And listen, it's Arizona. It gets really hot and I get very sweaty. And that's where my friends at Mando, they come in with the deodorant wipes. How about the deodorant spray and just the whole body deodorant that you just put a little bit on. You can put it under your pitch, you can put on your arms you put it on your balls and I cannot recommend it enough. It's clinically proven to block odor all day. No one wants to smell created by a doctor. All products baking soda free. So clinically proven to control odor better than a shower with soap. 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Steph Curry
Make some noise for the greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Goat Greatest of their era and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Podcast Host
Peja 5 Dirk Ford.
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Nikki Glaser
Peja is elite.
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Steph Curry
Okay, okay.
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Nikki Glaser
I'm mad him. I left him off my list, but I still like my list.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Podcast Host
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Podcast Host
Love it.
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Steph Curry
Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Podcast Host
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we go guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like you might as well just count that and get on back on defense.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G o t e Greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get Your podcast.
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Nikki Glaser
Enjoy your content. Been listening for a couple years. Also out here in Arizona and wondering where the Cardinals will go from here. I like Kyler and I think a lot of people underrate him, but the same thing at the same time. It's frustrating how inconsistent he is, especially since the Cardinals have some nice offensive talent around them. Do you think this is who he is at some point or there's still growth to be had in the roster will keep improving. You know, I saw that Jonathan Gannon at his press conference made a comment, I just pulled it up. It says, I'm not going to make any power statements. But he, meaning Kyler, is going to have a hell of a year. So I think there have been some, some light rumors and maybe it's just people throwing it out there, like, could they trade Kyler Murray? And who knows? I guess he could be building up his trade value. But I thought this at the end of the year, last year, is Kyler ever going to be a top 78 quarterback? No. But what makes him pretty unique is that on individual days he can just beat T Max and that that could be the best team in the league. Like he can just beat the Rams, the Eagles, whoever, and that's what makes him a pretty frustrating player. I think at five, nine years, always going to have limitations. He's a free talent, he's got a big arm, he can move. And last year down the stretch when they started playing bad, he started throwing picks. And that can be a major problem. But I think it kind of is what it is. You could have a lot worse. One of the founders of the Yellowstone Club is developing a private resort in Utah, Wasatch. I'm probably saying that wrong. Peaks Ranch. Check it out. More exclusive. I think he's alluding to. Yellowstone Club is where Matt Stafford and Tom Brady were. We're kicking it. I would love to go. I really. I'm not a huge winter ski slope guy. So it's like, yeah, they got their own mountain. It sounds cool, but I was like, I'm not into tearing my ACL or running to a rock. I had a buddy who's actually coming to my wedding. He is, I guess it would be. His nephew was skiing up in Tahoe and he's probably, I don't know, 10, 11 years old. This kid's going to be big. I mean, his dad was a college wrestler at Cal Poly right after Chuck Lidell. I mean, this guy's a. This kid's got a chance to be like a Division 1 athlete. Ran into a boulder and shattered his leg. It's like I'm just not in. Like I'm not a skier anymore. And I loved it growing up, but those days are over. I can't. I don't want to be in crutches. I don't want to break legs, tear ACLs. I, I don't know why I'm saying that. Oh, it's because I really just want to play golf at the Yellowstone Club. Sounds incredible. From what I've heard, it's a million dollars to join the Yellowstone Club, which is the most expensive of all the discovery land properties, which are basically anything goes with these properties, right? Like there's no dress code to golf. You can just do whatever you want. It's very, your entire family's under your vertical when you join. But it's really expensive. And you know, the Yellowstone Club is the most exclusive. Ton of actors, ton of actresses, people like Brady and there's one in, you know, Palm Springs called the Madison Club. There's Troubadour in Tennessee which I've been to, which is badass. Saw Morgan Wallen there actually when I went. Question for the pod. Given the success the Rams have had in McVeigh and the Snead era with later round draft picks, wouldn't it make more sense for the Rams to get multiple late round picks for Stafford if they trade them instead of just the first? Thanks. I think it's easy to say this when you have missed or just had a lot of success in the later rounds. You would rather, let's say you've crushed the third and fourth round. Would you rather have two threes and two fours or just the 18th pick? You know, obviously I have to do the math but let's say the math for the first round pick, the 14th pick, then all the third and fourth round picks, you would always rather have the first round pick, always. So I know the 49ers are a good example. They have missed, they have struggled high and they have crushed the mid rounds. You would still take them, the high picks because when you do hit on that, it is a game changer. Plus sometimes you can parlay that pick into more. Like if I can go from 10 to 20 and accumulate more second round picks, like the ultimate value is worth more. You almost just have to look at it from a financial standpoint. It's like yeah, I could turn 500 grand, I could find a 10 bagger and turn it into 5 million. But would you rather just have $5 million right now and see if you could turn that into 10. Just want to reaffirm that one of your takes is so valid. Does Stafford take a pay cut to stay in la? I don't like when people say, oh, it's easy for you to take a pay cut. Riddle me this. Would you work at the volume and get paid $500,000 to be Collins Point man for everything NFL in a great work environment you love, would you take 1 million to. To go to some radio station where you have less exposure and there's a bad culture? The former is La McVay and the latter is the Giants. Money's tempting and I wouldn't knock you for it, but it's probably the smart move for the future to stay with the Rams and take a cut. I think it's even different because let's say someone offers me a million dollars, right to. Let's use your example to do a radio station, do I have to move there? Do then like now I throwing out I have ownership in everything I do. Do I not own it anymore? So there are a lot of factors there, but here's the most. The factor of the money where you, you know, when you're at a lower net worth cash flow basis, it's like, I hear what you're saying, but let's say, let's say in this world I'm worth a million dollars. And it's like we're going to pay you a million dollars. So it's like. And we're going to guarantee a couple years. So in two years you will potentially, you know, depending on taxes and how the we 1099 ing it w2ing it, how it would work. But let's just say in this example I'm going to double my net worth. Let's say I have a couple kids. It would be. You'd have to think long and hard about it. Stafford after this season will have accumulated over $400 million. So like money to Stafford. I hate, I hate saying it doesn't matter because who knows, maybe he aspires to be an NFL owner. You know, it's like he's playing in a different end of the pool than myself or the person in this analogy. But like his life, whether he makes that other $40 million to go to the Giants or the Raiders, and then if he loses and his career ends there, he'll have some more money, but it doesn't really change his life. Right where I think when you use the example of like lower numbers, if it's 100 grand, 500 grand, a million dollars, if I was Worth a hundred million dollars. Let's say, let's even pull that number way down. Let's say I'm worth $10 million. I have like $10 million in the bank working for me, investments and stuff. Own a house, don't even have a payment already paid off. I can make decisions with my career much differently than if I didn't have any money in the bank. And I have two kids and I have to think about like a bunch of other things, right? Paying the mortgage, supporting my family. Let's say my wife's not working because she can't find a good job. Like how we pay, you know, for her to support the kid, like I have to support her in this analogy, Stafford doesn't have to worry about any of that shit, right? So to me, if you're Matt Stafford at 37 years old, unless you're completely addicted to money and don't get me, I love money. Most people listening this probably love money. But at that point in time when you have all this fucking money, you remember at the Yellowstone Club, you got multiple homes. You've hit the lottery. Now not because, like that's probably a bad thing to say because he earned it. He was a great player, big time talent, super bowl champion, Pro bowl level guy. He didn't hit the lottery like he's, he's worked his ass off to become a great player and he deserved a lot of money over the course of his career and he's been paid that. But at this point in time, like you only got a year or two left, like you want that last year to be with the fucking Giants winning seven games, best case scenario, or do you want to. Who knows? What if you're like the two seed with the Rams? So yeah, I think the analogy with me or whoever, when you don't have like as much to fall back, he's 37 years old and he's got $100 million in the bank, which I'm sure he's got some smart investments, like, who knows? I mean, you could have way more than that. So I think part of Stafford is like, you better be very careful. It's like all the money in the world. You are an athlete. This is what people discuss for the till you're buried about your life, right? About your career, like as a father and all that stuff is more important. But like it's kind of look at Kevin Durant's career the last five or six years, kind of sad, it's kind of irrelevant, kind of does not matter. And you never want to end in irrelevancy when you got a chance to be pretty legendary. And I would say Stafford, and maybe doesn't care about this, has become pretty legendary. Like the transition he had with the Rams won a Super bowl and has helped them create one of the best teams in the NFL. And he's gotten really rich doing it. I commend the Rams for doing this. Like, listen, Matt, we love you. I got no problem going on podcasts and saying, waxing poetic about what you mean to us, your value, how we can't even quantify it. But this is a business. And we can't pay you. Two years, $100 million. It's not going to happen. Not because we don't think you're worth that. We do. But the way we're building this team with our cap, like, we can't pay that and we're not going to pay you that. So I commend the Rams. Like, that takes balls. You know what? That's how you run a good business. That's how you sustain a good business. Because if all of a sudden this year Stafford looks old and you've given them two years, $100 million, you're kind of stuck. The Rams, like, yeah, we're not getting stuck. And I think most teams get so emotional. I mean, I saw it with the 49ers with the IUK situation. Like, that was stupid. Should have traded him before the draft. And if they could do it over again, they would have. And hell, Stafford won them Super Bowl. And the Rams aren't even that emotional. Hell, he just went. He almost beat the Eagles on the road in the cold. How you run a good business. The best teams in NFL history have been kind of cutthroat. Look at the. Look at the Chiefs. They traded Tyree Kill, and for three straight years they went the Super Bowl. It's like, who their wide receivers. Hasn't mattered two Super Bowls, three years went to another one. That's pretty good. Belichick, zero emotion. I'm listening to your podcast. You're talking about the Browns getting a haul for miles and having the second overall pick. As a Seahawks fan, I had a massive trade idea. DK has been rumored to be available and Rashad Jenkins has been given permission to seek a trade. Could a trade between Seattle and Cleveland work? Seattle gets Garrett and a second round pick. Cleveland gets DK Jenkins, Geno pick 18, 50 and a first and a second round in 26 and 27. Seattle has a chance at Cam Ward or Carter. Oh, oh. And the second and the second pick, Seattle, gets a chance at Cam Warder. Carter Browns get a bridge quarterback, a safety playing at a high level in multiple picks, plus a huge addition to the wide receiver room. There's a lot going on in this trade. So you get Miles Garrett in the second overall pick, and they get Geno Smith. The problem with the Geno Smith thing is Gino wants a lot of money. So Gino wants a contract extension and the Browns have. They owe Watson $90 million. So I don't think you got a lot of moving parts here and a lot of picks and first rounders and second rounders exchanging hands. I do think the problem for this is I don't think Cleveland would be in the Geno Smith business because they couldn't give him like a $80 million contract extension, like three years. He's making 25 million now. Let's say you give him 35 million, three years, $115 million in guarantee, 80 or 90. Then you'd have DeSean and Gino making a combined. You know, you'd owe them guaranteed money, 150, $170 million. I don't think you can do that. I don't think I hear what you're saying. And this is pretty intriguing. This is kind of NBA ish. But I think the Geno thing ends that. I think if you're Cleveland, you're in the business of drafting one of those quarterbacks, number two overall, and you trade Miles to get a bunch more picks to then build around him and kind of make this transition. Nick Chubb, free agent, probably gone. Miles Garrett, gone. And you kind of transition out of this, which, you know, tough predicament to be in, but kind of is what it is. I think that'll. That's our last question for the day. Hopefully everyone has a good weekend. We will. We will talk soon and have a good time doing whatever you're doing. Peace.
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Steph Curry
The greatest shooter of all time, Steph Curry. We went live from All Star Weekend for a new podcast called Greatest of Their Era, and we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Podcast Host
Asia 5.
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Nikki Glaser
Dirk Ford Asia is a link.
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Steph Curry
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Podcast Host
That's so tough. That's why we have these conversations.
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Steph Curry
Yes, absolutely.
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Podcast Host
Love it.
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Steph Curry
Listen to Goat G O T e Greatest of Their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get.
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Nikki Glaser
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