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Okay Green Bay fan here, my question relates to the packers stunner. When I look at the packers on paper they seem fairly well constructed, balanced statistically all phases of our team, O line, D line, pass, run, secondary turnovers, land between 4th and 12th and our overall performance through the season and the 7th seed seem to align with that data, I'd agree. Can we or any other team really make a Super bowl run without having one or two truly elite elements to their team? It feels like the best GMs like Howie aim for, aim for and pay elite high ceiling players and he's willing to take risks on rookies and lower paid free agents that were fill out the roster. Well you guys have always done that. Like you guys have always, you know, Zach Bond, Makai Becton. Like you guys have hit on a lot of players like that over the years. I mean Charles Woodson, if I remember correctly, he was his market wasn't exactly robust when you guys signed him and he left the Raiders. So and I'm not comparing, you know, Charles woods is a Hall of Famer to Zach Vaughn who's you know, had one hall of Fame level season. But my point is like you, you guys have hit on that. You took a pretty big swing on Josh Jacobs that that worked. I think the part of the problem for you guys was Jordan Love was very hit or miss throughout the season and your passing game obviously toward the end with the injuries and it's you know, I would say polarizing might be the wrong way to put it but you know your wide receiver group while very talented when you guys were really good, I know you didn't win more Super Bowls but like after you won the super bowl with Rogers then you had that stretch where you just in a bunch of conference championship games and competing you had a, you had a specific like a clear number one guy. I do think as a offense you need to clear number one an alpha as wide receiver and that was Jordy and then it was Driver early on, then Jordy and then obviously Devonte and I think with the Eagles like it's A.J. brown, right? With the Bengals, it's Jamar Chase. For a long time, it was Tyree Kill, and then it became Travis Kelsey. I think that, you know, the hierarchy of an offense, it's pretty rare. Even with the 49ers. A couple years ago, like, it was Christian McCaffrey. And this year, it's like, well, who's, you know, Jacobs in that playoff game was trying to will you guys to a victory. So I. I think you got to find some hierarchy with the wide receivers, and maybe it's just a. A natural. It'll play itself out. Maybe you'll sign devonte back. I don't know. But I think, you know, your passing game because your defense actually is a lot better. It's just offensively, I think I was expecting the last eight games of Jordan Love this year, and he got banged up, and it just never felt really aligned. I mean, you had moments, but how many games, too, were you guys down big and came storming back? Lions game was a bad loss. Vikings game, you got at your ass, kicked. What was your guys? I think the part of the problem with the packers last year was what was their divisional record? I don't think it was very good. The Green Bay packers were one in five in the division. One and five. That's pretty bad, man. That's really bad. That's embarrassing. Especially because, like, the Lions in Minnesota were two of the better teams in the conference. Listen, lose the Bears, I know they haven't lost. You're allowed to lose a random game in division every once in a while, but, like, to get swept by the Vikings and the Lions like that, that. That's a big kick in the nuts. So to me, like, for you guys to be good, I mean, think about this. You were. You were 11 and 6 and win one in five in the division. That's pretty crazy. Like The Washington Commanders, 12 and 5, they were 4 and 2, the Vikings 4 and 2, the Rams 4 and 2, the Bucks 4 and 2, Eagles 5 and 1, and the Lions didn't lose a game. I think when you look at all these playoff teams, how they did in their division, you guys were by far the worst. Chiefs 5 and 1, and they threw a game. Bills 5 and 1. I don't think they tried their last game. Ravens 4 and 2, the Texans 5 and 1. It's pretty crazy. Even the Steelers and the Broncos, who were the 6 and 7 seeds that were 10 and 7, were 3 and 3. 3 and 3. Pretty nuts that you went 1 in 5. I can't imagine there are many playoff teams. I need someone to run like a statistical analysis. There has to be a very short list of playoff teams now that we got seven seeds. That's probably changed the last couple years, but I would say the last 20 years, team that won one division game has never made the playoffs. Do you think wide receivers could end up being in the same boat as running backs? Especially with so many talented guys come in the league every year? Or do you think the longer careers and importance on the passing game will keep wide receivers from seeing the same dip in salary? Coward has the funny theory about the whole backward hat thing. Do you have any takes on NFL trends or player habits that you think are a little overrated or just funny? I see my pushback on the backward hats thing. I think it's a generational thing. I mean, for a long period of time, you know, most successful people all kind of dressed the same, right? When you just thought of someone successful, you thought like a sports coat tucked in shirt. Well, the richest people in the world were like a sweatshirt and jeans to work Tech kind of threw everything for a loop. Like, look at what Mark Zuckerberg wears. Even Bezos, who's now on, you know, who knows? Testosterone, hormones and everything pumping through his body, which I appreciate, but in the peak of his powers as a nerd, like looked like geeky, you know, in terms of the clothes he wears, like what you wear. Now obviously if you're meeting certain people, there is a time and a place to put on something nice. But I think the backward hats thing and you know, Colin, like, I would disagree in 2025, like even if behind you and his whole thing, like the corporate sponsors like JP Morgan Chase, do you think they really care if Tom Brady has a backward or forward hat? His net worth, like $500 million. I just don't think it matters at all. And I'm someone that doesn't have hair and wears a hat most days. But I just, I think there are things that used to matter that like still, like when you interact with someone, looking them in the eye, shaking their hand, like that still matters, but what you're actually wearing, like, obviously you want to wear clothes, but if you went to a business meeting and you are the guy with all the money and you wore shorts and a T shirt, do you think anyone gives a flying fuck? You know, and I think forever, that was always kind of frowned upon. And listen, I have a different background because like I grew up around farmers and some of these farmers had a lot of cash and like, wore dirty jeans and a polo shirt. And I mean, these guys now, I mean, you know, I know of people in the Valley. I mean, these guys ain't flying commercial. Like, they own their own jet and the hangar. So it's like, I just think that we overvalue things and things change. So it's like. I mean, once upon a time. Listen, I. And listen, there are fashion elements that you see, guys that I would say, like, fuck, what the hell is this guy wearing? But I guess things change. Getting ready for the combine. Question. Obviously, players at a Power 4 program and a select few Group of 5. Did I even answer your question? Wide receivers? I. I think eventually someone just has to say no, like, I'm not paying you $40 million. Now, I wouldn't say that to Jamar Chase. I think Jamar Chase is one of the best players in the league. But I think the 49ers made a big mistake last year with Brandon Iuk. I hated that. I just thought that they kind of got played. He won. Like, they negotiated, and he dominated them, and they got punked. You know, at least Debo literally carried them to a championship when, you know, Debo won the negotiation as well. But, like, hey, listen, we wouldn't even have made the playoffs, let alone got to where we got. Like, we rode you like Secretariat, like, Brandon, I brought you cost 75 balls. Good player. I'm paying $30 million for 75 catches was insane. So to me, I got no problem paying elites elite money. Say this all the time in the NBA. Like, I will pay Steph Curry. I'll pay LeBron James. I'll play Jokic, unlike Nico, I'd play Luca. I'd pay the top seven, eight guys who are true max guys. But when you start maxing out, like, player 23, like, you deserve to lose. So it's like, who am I paying and what am I paying them? Are they super elite? Because there's a big difference to me between A.J. brown and, I don't know, some of these other cats. Obviously, players at a Power 4 and a select group of Power 5 schools get a good look with lots of exposure throughout the year. But I'm a small school guy and follow the FCs closely with the talent at the higher levels. Not a lot of players get a chance to go to the Senior bowl or invited to the combine, even though there are quite a few that make big impact later in the league. What kind of intention does an NFL team give to lower levels and how are they evaluated compared to the top level? Players. I think if you're a really good player at North Dakota State, at Montana, you know, at the big South Dakota State, they are going to the Senior Bowl. You know those programs have had enough guys drafted that if they are good enough, every team in the league is going through these programs. Now if you are at Cal Poly or UC Davis, I'm just using, I know the west coast school FCS programs better and you aren't making it to the playoffs and you're like still have some NFL qualities like it. Yeah, you're probably not getting invited to an all star game. It's going to be more difficult. And if it's the same as like being at like a bad Division 1 program like San Diego State, you're going to get more looks and historically it's proven to be true. Are there going to be outliers? Yeah, but if I'm a gm, like I'm okay with missing on the dude. I'm not going to miss on the guy from South Dakota State. I'm not going to miss on the guy from North Dakota State if he's going to get drafted in the third or fourth round. But like the undrafted free agent that might make a team from UC Davis, like I only have so much bandwidth to worry about that guy. I need to get the fourth rounder. I need to get Dallas Goddard right. I need to get Carson Wentz right. I need to get Cooper like a guy we're going to draft. Obviously those guys were high draft picks but any draft pick. So I yeah, they get discriminated against and rightfully so. History would say their chances are success are much smaller. Question for the Mailbag. I'm a longtime Packer fan and was just watching the Mailbag and you were talking about how the packers will be fine and I also agree we always will be in the hunt but I feel like they need a big splash. I like gut, he says I love gut as the GM and he makes an insane amount of good late round picks. And last free agency picked up guys like McKinney and Josh Jacobs. My one concern is that we always seem to miss in the first round. Morgan last year injured like you didn't miss if a guy got hurt, I mean and he might be good, he might not be. Time will tell. I think he's an Arizona tackle but he's not a bust. Lucas Van Ness has been a huge bust. Like that was like that. Here's the one pushback I'd have against packers drafting philosophy. They are addicted. I would say more than any Other team that's good. Like a lot of like, look at Andy Reid. They don't have height, weight, speed requirements. If you can play, they're going to be interested. Like there are some teams that would not mess with Xavier Worthy. Definitely as high as they took him. Like smaller player, right? Just not. He's like this guy. I want him. Right. And obviously he has a history with desean Jackson. Tyree Kill. Like smaller speed guys. But Luke Van Ness, and correct me if I'm wrong, never started in college, never started a game at Iowa. Definitely his whatever year, his draft year was, was not a starter. I just don't think that's good business. You're going to take a guy in the first round because he has a lot of sweet measurables and he was a big time athletic freak that couldn't start at Iowa. Well, what's Iowa? A really good defensive program. We can make fun of offense all we want and they're technically or you know, you know, by the numbers have been pretty poor over the last, you know, which is ironic because they've had some of the best tight ends in the NFL. George Kittle, who actually kind of underachieved in college. LaPorta. I mean, they have studs everywhere but. And their running back this year is actually really good. Like they actually produce offensive skill guys, but the offense as a whole isn't good. Their defense is Cooper De Jean. I mean they produce dudes, but the guy's not going to start and you're going to take him in the first round. Like that's kind of overthinking. And he. I haven't seen Guta Kins ever talk about this, but I think over a couple cold beers here he'd be the first to tell you that was stupid. That was stupid. But organizationally that. That's kind of. They do a lot of stuff like that and sometimes it works. You know, Christian Watson, I know he tore his acl, but like a lot of people thought they were nuts for taking that pick. Highway speed guy. Well, actually when he's on the field, he's pretty fucking good. But he started, you know, he. You don't start in college. If I'm the Packers, I can't draft you. So listen, I think I'm with you. You guys aren't going away. You're going to be a playoff team. You're probably not going to go one and five in the division again. But like if Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, Miles Garrett, like you should be one of the teams offering the most can we get you for two ones and a two, like it's time to take a big swing, you know. The last time the packers non quarterback took an enormous swing was in free agency when they signed Reggie White. And that worked out pretty well. What do you make of the Brandon Staley hire as a Saints dc I find it weird that Moore was an assistant to Staley less than two years ago and now the roles are reversed. On top of that, Staley's defense was bad when Moore was in la and it was, this is just kind of how football works sometimes, you know. Brandon Staley took care of Kellen when Mike fired him and now he's taking care of Brandon Staley now. I think Kellen Moore is good at his job. I think he's a good offensive coordinator and a very, very smart guy. I would hire Kellen Moore to be my offensive coordinator and you never know with the head coach, but totally understand why the Saints hired him. I'm not a brand Staley guy. I think he's just full of shit. I think he's like the Gavin Newsom of the NFL. I would not hire him as my defensive coordinator under any circumstances. He wasn't a good defensive coordinator in with the Chargers his one year with the Rams. To me, like little fraudulent 2020, every defensive coordinator is pretty good with the Rams. So I disagree with Kellen on that one. I just wouldn't want that guy to be one. I wouldn't want him in my building. I think he's one of the biggest frauds going. I really do. And the more stories I hear about him, it's like from a football standpoint, I'm not talking about his, you know, other off outside of the building. I'm just saying from a football standpoint, I think somehow this guy has finagled himself and it's like, what are we talking about? But I don't know. Question for the mailbag. I know you're not a big hockey fan, but what were your thoughts on the four Nations NHL tournament? Hockey is obviously huge up here, so I'm curious to see if big events will grow in the US and increase your personal interest in the sport. I loved it. I mean, I was, I would say, like the other 10 million people glued to my television in that final and I think I found I didn't even know the thing existed. So until I saw on social media that they had booed the anthem. So I clicked over and the fights had just happened. And then I clearly saw that there were. They started showing the replays of the three fights in 10 seconds. And that game was incredible. Did McDavid score first? And America was down, and then we came back and we won. And anytime America wins in hockey against Canada, like back in the day against Russia, it feels like a massive upset because it does not feel like we are remotely as good as these guys. Now, we're tough. You could argue we're tougher, but, like, we don't have McJesus flying around. Like, Wayne Gretzky ain't walking through that door. So it's. It's cool to watch. It feels. It's the version what I think we've always wanted out of soccer. Like, we understand we're not as good as everybody else. Like, completely understand that, and we're never going to win the World Cup. But can there ever just be a moment where it's like, we upset Brazil and we're going to the Final Four? Like, that just never. It's never going to happen. And I am totally cool with acknowledging, like, my expectations whenever one of these World cup happens in soccer, I'm stunned if we make it out of the group. Stunned. And my expectations don't exist. But sometimes in hockey you're like, damn, Kachuk brothers are kicking ass and taking names. These guys are just kind of brawling, and it's like, can we take down McJesus in Crosby? It just. It was fantastic, honestly. Was that their All Star game? I don't even know that much about it. Beside that they create four teams. They just played each other, and it just turned out we played Canada twice, and the games were riveting. I mean, it was just. It was just fantastic television. Ultimately, all this stuff, all these sports leagues, just like all these podcasts. We're all in the entertainment business, and that was elite entertainment. You know, I grew up watching the NBA All Star Game and the three point contest and the dunk contest. It used to be fantastic entertainment. It no longer is. So what happens? We don't watch. Historic lows. Why? It's not entertaining. Now hockey struggles here. I think ratings are down as, like, the NBA. So regular season hockey just, I guess, to the casual fan, isn't that entertaining. And I'm guilty. I don't watch. But that was great. And this isn't a complicated formula. When people really care, when the effort is really high, we will watch and we'll be entertained. I mean, it's pretty simple. As an outsider looking in, is it crazy to say that the Bengals should have paid T. Higgins and moved on from Jamar Chase for three first Round picks. Burrow is the type to elevate his wide receivers, and Lord knows he needs those picks. I would be the opposite. I just pay Chase. Do you understand how good Jamar Chase is? And I'm not, You know me, I'm pro. Like five or six wide receivers. Other than that, like, I'd have no problem. T. Higgins is a replaceable player and he's good. Like, I'm. I'm not anti T. Higgins. Good player. Want him on my team, but I'm not paying him $30 million when I also got Jamar Chase. So I'm pay $40 million. So I'm have two guys making $70 million. But Jamar Chase is a dominant, dominant force. Like, dominant. I mean, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin John, like, he's a un. Larry Fitzgerald, an unstoppable player. We saw him all year. I mean, just kicking the shit out of everybody, running by guys, breaking tackles, doing it all. And he's a winning player. Tegan's a winning player, too. But I got to make like, when I look at it all, I got to take care of Jamar. I'd like to keep my pass rusher. I got to let Higgins go. I should be able to find another Higgins in the second round. Another Bengals fan. Massive Bengals fan and have been my whole life. Our family used to have season tickets to the Kitna Palmer years. Talk about heartbreak. I wasn't around in the 80s, but I think the Bengals team the past four or five years has been the best version in franchise history. I get they are kind of a poverty franchise and structure contracts in an outdated way with no guaranteed salary past the first year. I didn't even know that, but I don't subscribe to the whole idea that they can't afford Jamar, T, Trey and Joe. With the cap going up more than 30 miles this year, they can easily do it. It would be one thing if they had a bunch of good players on defense and had note to sign a bunch of those guys, but they don't. I think two things can be true. Could they, like, do they have the money in bank accounts and through cash flow to sign all these guys? Yes. Can they make it work? 100%. If you and I ran the team and we love the Bengals like we were Mike Brown and the Bengals, like, listen, we talk shit about the Brown family. No one disputes that. They don't really love the Bengals. The Cincinnati Bengals mean as much to them as they would do any fan that loves the Bengals. Here's the thing. Is it good Business to pay both those wide receivers top of the market. Obviously Jamar would break the record, but T. Higgins is. While he wouldn't get more than Jamar, Chase would get a lot based on the second tier guys last year he's looking at Brandon Ayuk. He's like getting more than that. So I don't think so. I listen. It's kind of complicated. Like I tag and trade him. I mean, he had 73 catches last year for 10 touchdowns. Brandon Ayuk had like a career year for 75. Yeah, I think there's a lot of parallels here with Brandon Ayuk. And now you've just got 75 million dollars and 30 million a year. I would keep Jamar Chase and I would keep Hendrickson and I would try to use Higgins and buy other players, defensive players. I just, I don't think it's great business doing that. And I'm not anti d Higgins. I like the guy and I understand why Joe wants to keep him. Likes him, wins with him. He's a good player, unique players, tall playmaker, good in the red zone. I don't know, man. I think it's. I don't think it's the best way to build a team. Say, like, what would Bill Walsh do? What would Bill Belichick do? What would the Chiefs do? They would not sign everybody. Question for the back. Can you explain just how hard fucking golf is? Actually, I read that wrong. Can you explain to everybody just how fucking hard golf is? Excuse my language, little kids listening. I got buddies that say baseball is harder. Baseball is extremely different difficult. But if you are a scratch golfer, you are still miles away from being on tour. You're literally supposed to shoot par. I've played since I was 10. I'm 32 now and once reached the six handicap at the peak of my powers, I would say playing on tour, playing in major league baseball are equally stupidly hard. Like it doesn't get, like, on the scale of how hard it doesn't get any harder to be, you could argue one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing to do in sports, just want the one individual thing is to be a good hitter. It is very, very hard to hit a baseball. Now we're not talking professional, you're just talking pickup, right? Most people could just an average athlete. If you just played some high school sports, I give you a glove, you can catch pop flies. You play catch, you could run the bases. Like you might not be able to hit a ball in a fair way. So like casually golf is Going to be way harder to play on the PGA Tour or to play against the Yankees or the Dodgers. I would put them on equal qualifying. It's hard. What makes golf difficult to compare is like there's not really. There's not pickup baseball. I played golf last week with some people and they were telling me stories about like some of the softball leagues around Arizona because it is so many guys that retire here that played pro baseball and one guy, forget his name but. But had just been released from the Diamondbacks. He was still technically making $8 million a year and had a couple of weeks to kill and just went to this pickup league and hit a ball that broke a guy's face at third base. Not the third baseman, but the runner pick up. You know, beer League softball is not the same as baseball where you and I could just go out and play pebble beach like Rory did. So golf can, it's the one sport that can get so much closer to the pro game than all the other sports because I can literally play the course that Rory and Tiger played. We can, we can do five on five, pick a basketball. But if there aren't any good players, like who cares now if you play, there are nine other, you know, former college players, then yeah, it's really hard and you're going to get schooled. But I think just playing beer league softball and just going out to play golf, golf is harder, but playing pro baseball is extremely difficult. I do stand by that huge amount of interest here in the NFL. This guy is from Australia. Super excited for the NFL to return. It'll be the first time in 27 years I saw LA Broncos beat the Chargers with a late field goal in a preseason game. Wow, good knowledge. Just wanted to comment on your musings about the international exposure we've had NFL here over the 30 years. The super bowl is always on free to air TV non cable television. And psychopaths like myself get up to get up way early in the morning on Monday to watch Red Zone kick off for a few hours before work. Can't wait for next season in the NFL. Breaking out in Australia school, we're glad to have you a part of this, this great game that we call football. Curious on your thoughts on what the 49ers do with Jordan Mason? Is there a scenario where you think they can keep him or is he more likely to be traded along with some picks to a team they need for running back, say somewhere like Dallas? I don't know why they wouldn't just bring him back. I mean what he's going to be. He came out, let me pull up his wiki. So 22, 23, 24. He's just in a contract year. I think he's just, he's going to be on their team. Like he's, he's probably going to be their backup running back. I, I don't think. I wouldn't give him away. I mean, Jordan Mason before he got hurt last year was like leading the league in rushing for four or five weeks. I would keep him around. I think ideally best case scenario for the Niners. McCaffrey's healthy. He looks like Christian McCaffrey. And Kyle for the first time in his life gives him some breathers. And Jordan Mason plays a lot with Corindo, but I would not count on Kyle giving him breathers. Christian, I know that both your Achilles almost fell off and you tore your MCL in a snow game, but we plan on giving you 700 touches this year. That's probably what Kyle's thinking. I've just got done watching the US vs Canada. Once Canada won, I switched to the Phoenix Suns versus the spurs game. It was a five minute break to determine if a simple foul was a flagrant. I think the ratings will switch soon. If you compare all star weekends, it isn't close. I've been a basketball guy my whole life, but what Adam Silver has done is a joke. I think this might be a Malcolm Gladwell type tipping point where the poor leadership allows hockey to overtake basketball. I do think the tipping point has happened just in a vacuum with basketball. The effort, the injuries, it just the consumers, the consumer speaks. Now when I see all like these political shows get canceled, like it's very black and white. You're not getting enough people to watch. People are not watching, so they cancel your show. You know, basketball, it's like the ratings keep diminishing. Less people are watching basketball now than 10 years ago. It's not debatable. I guess that's an objective opinion. But hockey one, it's never been highly rated and it's also down. So I think if we compare the Four nations tournament, like it's kind of an outlier, right? It's like you can't just go, well, golf's popular because a lot of people watch the masters. Well, yeah, 250,000 people watch the Mexico Open. So it's like if everything was the Masters, you'd be in good shape. If everything in hockey was the four nations tournament. Hockey to be big. But it's not like, is anyone going to watch The Kings play the the Las Vegas. What's the Vegas team? The Aces. Is that the WNBA team? It's the Las Vegas. The Knights, you know, so if people don't watch a regular season product, the four nation is pretty unique tournament. So I would say that I think the tipping point is happening with basketball in a vacuum. They have their own issues and they're trying to figure it out. That's why Adam Silver just created an all star game where young guys are playing old guys and it failed miserably. From what I heard and read and listened to, I didn't watch anything, but I was out years ago. Now hockey had the same problem going and they tried something different and it worked. But I think both regular seasons, like no one's watching. Like are more people going to watch the hockey playoffs? That'll be interesting. Hope so. I enjoy it. I've been thinking about putting like $1,000 on a team in the west and $1,000 on a team in the east to win the Stanley Cup. So if you like hockey, hit me up with some teams that I should be betting on. I know he scored the game winning goal, but I do like Connor McDavid. So are they good this year? I know they are solid this year, but can they win it? That'd be cool. If I can get them like 10 to 1, that'd be sweet. Which of the Kelsey brothers were more impactful on their teams over the span of their careers? I believe most people would default to Travis since he is the one that puts up the stats. However, you could argue the best at their perspective position the game has ever seen, albeit being at low positions of value. Do you think they are both first ballot hall of Famers? Yes. Well, we got to learn what the Eagles would look like without Jason Kelsey. They won the Super Bowl. They had a guy that just ran for including the playoffs, like 2,500 yards. And I'm not taking anything away from Jason. He's an elite player but they replaced him pretty easily. Now it's center's a replaceable position, you know. And Travis, like what are they going to look like on offense when he's gone? Maybe they'll be better. He hasn't been the same. You know, Jason went out on top. Jason was still an elite player. Travis no longer is. But Jason retired. They won the Super Bowl. Now you could argue that's because they have Pro Bowlers waiting in the wings. Great job drafting, but just based on the information we had, I would say that Travis is more impactful than Jason NFL is popular here in Columbia. I've been a fan since 95 and recently a fan of you and Colin. Always listen to your podcast question what is the best book to learn the sport in a deep manner? I mean, plays, formations, etc. No clue. Never read a book like that when it comes to football, so I'm the wrong person to ask. I think Belichick's writing a book right now. I would. Whenever he puts that out, I would buy that thing. I think Bill Walsh has some books I'm a bad person to ask on terms of like schematics. I don't know. I've never read a book like that. Okay, last question. Question for the pot. Die hard outsider here. Member of the coffee. I'm also a product of Sacramento. I grew up in Sac and lived here for 10 years. After some time in the Bay Area, my question is, are teams in front offices using AI for scouting, analytics, or anything related to player or game evaluation? I'm an analyst at an environmental consultancy and the AI has been an absolute game changer for me and my work. And I've been curious to the extent in which football teams are tapping into the amazing technology. By the way, what's your favorite golf course in Sacramento? It's a good question. I would say El Macero. It's technically a Davis, but one I played probably by far the most of any course in Northern California. I don't. I don't really love Sacramento golf. You know, Hagen Oaks is probably the one that most people have played the most. Some good golf up toward Tahoe. When I was in high school, we played like Nevada Union. They're up. Like, is it. Would it be Auburn or is that the wrong. Wrong side, kind of. That area, Foothills has some really good golf. Granite Bay Country Club is nice. I played that a couple years ago. As of AI, I would be stunned if. If some of these teams in their analytical department and, you know, kind of the technology department hasn't dabbled in that. But I can't. I can't speak to that. I would imagine we're very, very early on kind of that level of. Of utilizing it toward a scouting perspective. But yeah, you convinced me that there are. I would imagine how he has people already looking at it, 49ers, surely, you know, heart of Silicon Valley. But is every team. I don't know. Yeah, I appreciate everyone listening. Have a great day and we will talk soon. Peace. The volume when it comes to cybersecurity threat, Locker delivers a radically different approach to securing your endpoints. Instead of trying to detect the undetectable. You start by identifying what applications you trust in your environment with ThreatLocker allow listing. 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