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Mark Seale
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Mary Kay McBrayer
I'm Mary Kay McBrayer, host of the podcast the Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told. This season explores women from the 19th century to now. Women who were murderers and scammers, but also women who were photojournalists, lawyers, writers and more. This podcast tells more than just the brutal, gory details of horrific acts. I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult, and all the nuance I can find because these are the stories that we need to know to understand the intersection of society, justice and the fascinating workings of the human psyche. Join me every week as I tell some of the most enthralling true crime stories about women who are not just victims, but heroes or villains, or often somewhere in between. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mark Seale
I'm Mark Seale.
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Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
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Alec Baldwin
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli. The five families did not want us.
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Mark Seale
To shoot that picture.
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Nathan King
This podcast is based on my co host Mark Seale's best selling book of the same title. Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire, and many others.
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Mark Seale
Yes, that was a real horse's head.
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Nathan King
Listen and subscribe to Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mark Seale
The Volum what is going on everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone's doing great. Wherever you may be, wherever you're probably staying hopefully if you're in a cold area, staying warm. If you're in a warm area, hopefully you're getting out and getting some sun. I'm actually going to record this podcast and go for a walk probably. I got about a week and a half to lose a couple more pounds so I can fit into that tuxedo that I have to go tomorrow and get adjusted. So that's the reason I'm not going to the combine. Also got to pick up my marriage license and just things I couldn't go. So getting married in, I don't know, under 14 days here and could not make the combine this year. But we will be reacting to the combine. It's why today most people flying there, the stories and just the pace of the NFL really picks up starting tomorrow through free agency. So it's we're gonna have a lot to react to, a lot of takes and thoughts on who knows, I mean we'll get stuff that we don't even see coming that will be coming. So this is usually when the trades and other things at least the, you know, kind of the parameters to those deals get kind of discussed. And honestly sometimes they happen over the next week. Plus so let's buckle up, get ready. I'm excited. Also, we'll throw in a golf podcast as well. So we have a lot of content this week, but today will be Mailbag only at John Middlekopf at John Middlekop is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. We are going to we're have a long podcast today because I screenshotted a million Mailbag questions and I'm just going to bang them all out. So let's buckle up, let's get ready. And again, mailbag only. So you guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three and out. If you like a little thing called YouTube.com we got a channel we're not that far away from 100k. So we've got to keep swinging our pick, keep grinding here and go subscribe to that if you, if you like the video version of the podcast because all of our content is up there and you know, as the spring evolves, we will plan on doing more there as well separate from just the podcast. And yeah, let's, let's dive into some, let's dive into the pot. This is a question now, big picture for the combine. This is, you know, the season for scouts honestly is year round. But during the fall the pressure isn't quite on them like the day to day with the coaches. The scouting pressure really begins when the college football season ends. All star games, the Senior bowl, the combine, that's when it really heats up. I mean, your college scouts have been looking into these players. You know, if you've been in the same area for a while, like if you've had the sec, like you have been following some top guys now for several years and accumulating information and then when they become draft eligible and it's clear whether they're a junior and they're going to come out early or they're going to be a senior, I mean, you're really, really in depth in terms of off the field. I almost, I combined on and off the field. Obviously on the field, you know, the scouting element of can the guy play? Can he not? How would he fit? How does he does not. But in terms of gathering information on, from a work ethic standpoint, from a football IQ standpoint, from a character standpoint, that really kicks off this week because the coaches now get involved and when you see these clips that come out of whatever team's, you know, meeting room with the player and you know, whether Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, you name it. I mean, any of the players at the combine, you should know all the answers to the questions you're asking them. Now maybe if a guy has an off the field issue, you're trying to close some loose ends. But the amount of information the scouting department has accumulated for your coaching staff and really your GM, because most of the GMs aren't able to go into these schools and while they watch top guys throughout the fall, I mean their schedule's really, really busy. So they like the coaches are diving much more into the college guys, I would say over the last month. Now most GMs probably watch the top couple round guys throughout the fall, but this is a time when they're really busy, but they're also having to balance free agency. So obviously evaluating your own team is extremely important. But you're going into the combine about to talk to all the agents, right, who represent your players, who represent the players you want. This is a, you know, for scouts, even when I go last year, like you can go out, have some cocktails, screw around. Like this is not a screw around time for the head coach. Maybe the head coach a little bit, but definitely not the gm. You know, I mean, I know, you know, the Howie Roseman's, the Brett Veaches, they are constantly meeting with people. These are 1518 hour days of meetings and that this is before any of the actual on the field work happens, obviously from Friday to Sunday with all the positions. But even during then, you're constantly meeting with agents, Talking with other GMs about potential trades. How often when a trade comes out over the next week or two after the combine, then the in depth article that said, oh yeah, John Schneider and George Payton hammered out the Russell Wilson trade. This is when a lot of trades get kind of get rolling here. And obviously there are some players who are on the block. Debo Samuel, there are other players who want to be traded. Miles Garrett, there are some wild cards, you know, Max Crosby, Micah Parsons. So that is a GM's job is to balance all this shit. I mean it is, it's the reason they make seven figures. There's a lot on their plate, you know, and as an area scout, you're just kind of focused on your group and whatever your tasks are. As the college director, you're just focused on, you know, the players that are at the combine. As the pro director who's also there, you're trying to help out the scouting staff. But, but you're also very focused on any question your GM has about a pro guy. Hey, this guy, this, you know, Kellen Moore, they're ready to get rid of player X on the Saints, or Aaron Glenn's not really feeling this guy on the jets. You're constantly balancing that as well. So all these teams that fired their coaches and got a new coaching staff and a new GM like you better be balls deep, no pun intended, on their roster because their players at any moment, like, yeah, we're going to get rid of this guy. He doesn't fit our scheme. And same goes for teams that have new coordinators. Maybe a guy who used to fit no longer fits. So this is just, I mean whatever industry you're in, you know, whether you have certain weeks that are a big convention week, that is when a lot of business gets done. This is probably the busiest week because this is not just on the phone and text messages and emails. There's a lot of person to person. You know, breakfast, coffee, meetings, lunch meetings, dinner meetings, just non stop meetings if you're the decision maker. So getting asked this question about been watching a lot of Howie Roseman since the super bowl content since Zoo Bowl. I love the behind the scenes aspect of the gm. I know you spent some time in Philly and was wondering if you could give the behind the scenes of what the day to day is the GM doing during the Season and during the off season, you know, during the season, at least in my experience, there was a lot of. You're constantly working ahead. So any team that you would play, let's say the Eagles are playing the Titans, right? Especially an uncommon opponent. You know, Howie back again, he might have changed his strategy but would try to watch clips couple games on their free agents so he could have a feel and a grade on their free agents. He would also during the week try to bang off some draft players, some highly graded players in the upcoming draft. And then on constantly working with your coach, if a guy's injured, do we need to bring guy on a practice squad? Any issues you have with players, agents, contracts, I mean they're just constantly stuff coming up, constantly working with the trainer about injury statuses, constantly dealing with, I would say anything within the building, communicating with your scouting staff on the road. So it probably changes from team to team, but trying to get ahead. Because once the season ends, you can't just watch every free agent, right? You can't just watch every draft pick. Now you can go back and do more work, but you would like to lay a groundwork during the fall of banging out all the free agents, banging out most of the top draft picks. And then as a gm, you're constantly working with your coach about the week to week when a guy gets injured, guy gets in trouble, helping them out is any way possible. And then obviously like we just talked about once, there's like a pretty clear process. Obviously if you make the super bowl, you're not going to the Senior Bowl. But 90% of the time when you're not going to the Super Bowl, I guess unless you're veach even how he's been a two of three, you know, you're going to the Senior bowl, you're banging off all those guys, you're starting to meet with agents. And then there's just a process that leads right through to, you know, free agency becomes before the draft. So while the combine is extremely important, you basically get 60 interviews. You have gone over, you know, probably for the Eagles and the Chiefs over the last 10 days, who you want to interview at the combine in those 15 minute meetings. So you've put that together. You have kind of put together ideas with your scouting staff about pro guys who on your team. So if you're Howie, do we want to try to keep Milton or Makai Becton or how we're going to handle the Zach Bond situation? I've gone over with my pro department, who are other options if we're not able to keep these guys what their value is relative to the rest of the market. Like, is Zach Bond going to get $50 million on the open market because there aren't any linebackers available? Same thing with Beckton. Like, is someone going to give him a multi year contract? So you basically have met, you know, ideally if you're, if your team had not ideally because you don't want to lose in the playoffs, but if you hadn't made it far, you would have this all mapped out weeks ago. But for, you know, Veach and Howie, they've probably had to kind of hit the ground running the last couple weeks of doing all that. So when you come to the combine, basically the next two weeks are free agency. I mean, it kind of unofficially starts this week. Trades, signings, gauging the market. So you're just, you're just extremely busy that way and you're just constantly working with your crew of like your college guy and your pro guy, whoever's at the top of the department. Any questions you have, and then those guys go down to their lower guys. It's just information flying. So right now, I mean the number one job of a GM over the next couple months is accumulating information and then being able to take that information and put it into a market value like, okay, we have all this information. We think this is going to be worth this. And look at the Eagles last year. We're like, well, we kind of thinking the running backs are undervalued. We can get Saquon Barkley for under $30 million. So that right now, that is just a huge part of all these GM's jobs. Question for the mailbag. My friend is getting married in a couple of months and asked me to be his best man. Congratulations. I'm planning the bachelor party and he told me he doesn't want to do Las Vegas. Where would you choose for a good bachelor party? Same vibe as Vegas, but would be, would be nice, just not as expensive. Thanks. Also, are you having a bachelor party? Well, I'm getting married in two weeks, so I didn't have a bachelor party one. I'm older, I've been to a million. You know, most things I want to do in life, I've either had a chance to do or I'm pretty confident will over the next couple, over the next couple decades. And just the way I got married right before football engaged, I just wasn't gonna, I didn't have a weekend to spare. You know, someone's gotta pay the bills around here. And which sucks. But also, like, it wasn't that big a deal to me. I think so I think the key to a bachelor party, like when you say Vegas now, Vegas. I read an article on the, I think of the Wall Street Journal. Vegas is actually extremely more expensive. When I was in college, and this is, you know, 20 years ago now, like, you could go to Vegas for pretty cheap and you could have a really, really good time for not very much money. This article was actually just specifically on the fountain blue. But like, Vegas is kind of hurting because their price points have gone so high that people are just like, especially gambling is legal. Huge part. Like, especially for guys that go to Vegas to sports gamble. I can place a bet on DraftKings from right here. And the prices of dinners and everything has just gone up dramatically. I remember scouting and I'd stay in Vegas a lot just because it was kind of central to Southern California, Arizona and the Utah schools, which BYU and Utah had a bunch of prospects at the time. And I remember you could stay at the Marriott for like 59.99. And obviously inflation times have changed, but Vegas is really expensive. But I got news for you. Most fun places are pretty expensive. Like, you could come to Scottsdale and have equally as good of a time. There is a casino talking stick. You can get an Airbnb, you can play golf. But like, it's not cheap. You know, it's not. You're not going to be able to do this on a, on a bargain deal. I would say the one thing you got to be careful of is, you know, when you get a bunch of people together, the dinners can be complicated. And if you go to a nice steak dinner, it all also depends on where you guys are at in your financial situations. Like if most people are in their 20s, give or take, everyone's around the same kind of level, money wise. Maybe there's one dude that's just crushing. It's like, God, this guy's making what we're all making, like 70 grand. But I think the older you get when you find yourselves in situations like this, especially when you get my age, you can get huge discrepancies with earners. You know, you can get a couple company owners and a couple guys that are, you know, really struggling, and then that's where it can kind of get out of whack. Ideally, people just take care of other people, but it can be complicated. So listen, I'm a West coast guy. I've never, I guess I went to a bachelor party in Nashville back in 2018. That was actually pretty sweet. You go to Nashville again? Nashville is pretty expensive now, so I think I recommend Scottsdale. But again, it depends. I don't know where. If you plan on going to Vegas, maybe you live on the west coast, but I think you got to be just these parties now. If you want to go to a club at night, if you want to do something kind of fun, it's probably not going to be cheap relative to what you have in your mind that it used to be. But it's one of those situations that you'll look back as you get older. It's like whatever. If your budget was 1000 and you spend 1500, you're not going to lose sleep over it as. As time goes on. So I would say if you're the best man, just enjoy yourself. My brothers, we went to band in Dunes. That was. That was pretty fun, actually. I need to go back. I hope that's answered your question. Lifelong Saints fan, I went to games when folks wore paper bags and we were known as the. Ain't a lot of kids listen to this. Can't even relate to that. I lived through the Brees years. What do we need to recapture the glory? Well, Sean Payton and Drew Brees, I think it's pretty clear, like you guys won. You had a big time head coach and you had a Hall of Fame quarterback. So if I, if I tell any team that you are going to get a big time head coach and a Hall of Fame quarterback, like you're going to be in pretty good shape. And I just think you're going to need Kellen Moore to be top 12 coach and you're gonna have to find a quarterback and whether he can just resurrect Derek. I mean, Derek's not the answer to be Drew Brees, but you know, if he can just be solid like he has played on playoff teams before. So can you get better production? Can you? Got to keep him healthy. He's been banged up out of Derek. Because if you can, like I would say the Saints division, I got a buddy on the staff who actually thinks they're better than people think. You know, they had so many injuries, they're probably not as good as they were those first couple weeks, but I picked him to win the division last year. Now clearly was wrong, but you know, I think ideally you get Kellen Moore as some version of just one of the good offensive coaches. You know, can he be dynamic, young offensive coach? We've seen a lot of them over the years and they have resurrected franchises. The Niners were a joke. Kyle got there. Resurrect the franchise. The Rams were even worse. Sean McVeigh resurrect the franchise. The Vikings actually had a lot of success under Zimmer, but clearly Kevin O'Connell is a good coach. LaFleur is a good coach. Like, if he can be in that vein, you're going to be okay. Who's scoring big in the NBA this season? You are with the all new ways to get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA. From dunks to assists to rebounds, get behind your favorite player and the prop bets you can make on DraftKings, the home of NBA player props. Ready to place your first bet? 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Mark Seale
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Trevon Edwards
What's up everybody? I'm Trabon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of their Era with Seth Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend, had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Steph Curry
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Steph Curry
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Trevon Edwards
Okay, I'm mad him I left him off my list, but I still like my list. You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Steph Curry
That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations.
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Trevon Edwards
Yes, absolutely.
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Steph Curry
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Trevon Edwards
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Mark Seale
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Mark Seale
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Mark Seale
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Mark Seale
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Alec Baldwin
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Mark Seale
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Now, like anything, any business, you are better at certain things than others, right? So you are more comfortable doing certain things than you are. You know, some, and some people excel in those things that you're weak at. And it's no different than evaluating positions, right? Some people are just better at evaluating the line of scrimmage than are worse evaluating skill. Guys, obviously the quarterback is challenging. There are very, very few people that can do it. I always thought the defensive backfield, corners and safeties can be challenging because you got to factor in, you know, it's easy to evaluate their like physical characteristics, speed, athleticism, tackling. But in terms of how you play in certain coverages like that, that, that becomes very, very nuanced. And I never felt that comfortable doing DBs. But most other positions, definitely the front seven and anything offense, I was, I thought it was pretty good at. NFL fan from London, big fan of the show. Have a question for the mailbag. Do you think we will ever see an influx of elite international players in the NFL in the same way we've seen in baseball and basketball? No. Partly because you play baseball in Japan, you play baseball in Southern America. I mean it's a really big deal in a lot of places. Basketball, like they have a European league. I think Luka was the MVP of the league. So we have a long history now of these European basketball players excelling in the NBA, becoming hall of Famers. I mean Dirk was an mvp. It just has a long, long history because they play in other parts of the country and that is just not true for football. I mean think I would say the best story right now in the NFL of an international player you could argue ever is Jordan Mylotta. He had never Played football before. So he was basically just evaluating him off what he could be because he was enormous and athletic. But if guys like that, there was a football league where they literally played football, even if the rules were a little different, but it was still 11 on 11, I think there would be more of them. But it doesn't parallel those other sports because they play them internationally. Right? It's like, why is historically golf, right? Think how many guys come from across the pond. Same thing with tennis. To me, those, the individual sports, tennis, golf, are a lot like basketball and baseball. These other countries take them really, really seriously. I mean, Japan loves baseball, like Dominican and some of these places, they love baseball. Clearly in Europe and certain countries, basketball is a huge deal. Spain, Australia, some of these eastern kind of European. Where's Serbia? Where is that where Yogic is from? But, like, that's just not true in the NFL. I'm sure if we saw some body types of dudes over in, like, Russia, it's like, yeah, this guy probably could play like guard, but, like, when are you ever going to find this guy? So I don't think it'll ever be quite like that. As a Lions fan, my number one concern next year is player health. The Lions had what felt like an unprecedented injury situation in the past few days. I've also seen some critiques of the Minnesota Wild medical staff that worked with the American team at the Four Nations. Given Charlie McAvoy and Matthew Tkachuk's injury potentially being mishandled, my question is this. What sort of variation do NFL teams have among their medical staff? Should a team like the Lions be examining their injury prevention and recovery system, or is it just bad luck? Well, I would say two of the teams that I follow the closest in football are the 49ers and the Philadelphia Eagles. And both teams over the course of the last five or six years have blown people out because of injuries. When it came to the medical staff. Now, I think you could look at it. I mean, the Eagles fired Paul DeLuca, who's the team doctor, and brought it back. And he was the doctor when I was there. He was doctor for a long time. They had a bunch of injuries. Someone had to, you know, point, get the finger pointed at him. I think sometimes that's an easy one to just blame the strength staff or the doctor I saw with the 49ers. It's like, well, maybe you just like tackle and practice and it just wears on people. Again, I'm just guessing. Or maybe it's just like you just had a Flip of a coin, bad year. Or like in any business, there are people that are better at podcasting. There are people that are better at finance. There are people in the medical industry that. Listen, I don't know, wherever you live right now, there are certain doctors. Like, you want to go to this doctor if you have a knee issue? Hey, my back hurting. This guy is the number one guy. We basically talk about him like, he's like the ace pitcher for the Yankees or he's like a star player in basketball. That's how you talk about certain doctors. So it's. Why would this be any different? There aren't an unlimited amount of elite doctors, and certain areas of the country have access to better ones. Right? Like the 49ers and the Rams. Like, they got Stanford and UCLA right in their back pocket. So in theory, you would be like, well, we go to UCLA Med, get their number one guy. What if their number one guy, not that big a football fan, doesn't want to do it? So I. I've always thought it can be a little mixture of both. Sometimes it's truly unlucky, and probably certain hires are better than others, and certain people are more talented at their field than others. But I think big picture in football, listen, there's always been injuries in the sport. Like, there have always been teams. You go back to the 50s, you go to the 80s, you go to the 90s that have had a year like the Lions, where everyone gets injured. Now, it does feel, on the whole, like people get injured more now than ever. I don't actually think it's even close when it comes to hamstrings. When it comes to acls. My theory didn't go to medical school. Just went to a couple state schools in California and watch. A lot of football is forever in football. Up till 2011, you had double days and you worked on your body playing football on the field. And guys worked out in the off season, but not nearly like they do now. And I would guess there is some correlation of you've never played less football. Most teams don't even wear pads in the season. Right. But you train. You know, you guys, I saw, see Christian McCaffrey on Instagram. He trains, like, 365 days a year. And I think he's even. He's mentioned, like, I probably got to lighten up because you're training for football more than you're even playing. And then in training camp, especially once you become a really good player, teams are very hesitant with you, in fairness, because I'm paying you 30, 40, $50 million a year. Then I get to a game I don't really play in the preseason. I get to a game where it's just full speed, full tackle. Yet I haven't done any of that like September 10th it starts or whenever the date is week one yet from the end of the season, let's say January 7th or mid January if I'm a playoff team. I have not really played football, not to the level in which the game yet in fighting for example, you spar constantly. I mean look at hockey. The only way to play hockey and PK Subhan has been going on these rants is just kind of got to play. We're in football in training camp. You can play football but you can do what they call thud or you know, kind of two hand touch off where it's like I impact you but I'm not taking you to the ground. There is a huge difference. And I've gone to a lot of training camp practices over the last decade. That which is still like really impressive to watch, you know, Debo Samuel contact Fred Warner in the open field. Like it's still a collision. If it was me or you, we'd go flying. They hit each other and they keep moving. We're in a game that would be a tackle. And I just think that for a long period of time you played football in training camp and you trained the calluses of your body and that no longer happens. And you can't convince me that that hasn't had, I would say a negative impact when it comes to injuries. More than the doctor and more than the training. Question for the pod. Last year Sean Payton and the Broncos were criticized by the national media for drafting Knicks. Heading into the season, they were almost universally ranked as one of the five worst teams in the league. However, they proved the doubters wrong with a double digit winning season, a playoff berth and 34 total touchdowns for Bo Nix, third most all time for rookie quarterback. It's a good stat. I didn't know that they will probably draft the tight end or running back and dabble in the veteran wide receiver pool this off season. Do you feel like it was just a flash in the pan or will they improve? I've been saying this about the Chargers and the Broncos. That is going to be Peyton and Harbaugh's worst team. It's going to be their worst rosters. Their teams are going to get better. So sometimes when you have a random coach like it turned out that one year with Brian Dayball flash in the pan this is not a flash in the pan for Jim Harbaugh and Sean Payton because you look at their resumes. So you know to take a huge jump you got to hit on a couple random free agents. Sometimes you get lucky. I mean the Eagles, Zach Bond, no one saw that coming, including them. So I think yeah, you just, there's some luck involved, there's some skill involved and then there's just some developmental strides of your own guys and your own team. Like in Bo Nix take a big step because if he can, you're in pretty good shape. Can Patrick certain maintain his level of play and be an elite player? You're in good shape. Can Bonito, is that his name? Bonito? Just keep dominating like because you got some core pieces right. So I, yeah, I'd be pretty fired up if I was a Bronco fan. Eric Longtime Seattle fan Gino has an aggressive agent and they've asked for extensive extensions and or rework deals after the 22 season and the 23 season, which they didn't get after the 24 season. Fans don't think he's going to play on this old deal anymore. Three years, 75 million. It's a pretty good deal for the Seattle and he'll hold out. Okay, should we resign him or go into free agency? He holds a large $44 million cap hit this year. Okay, good question. Clearly they're not gonna have Geno Smith on a 44 million dollar cap. It I'd have a hard time resigning him to anything other than kind of the number he's been playing on. Maybe make it a little bigger. Like can I give you like a two year, 60 million dollar extension? Like I can't pay you 40, 50 million dollars. Can't, can't do it. And I my big issue, this always happens like what will you do without him? I don't know. We'll figure it out. We're not, we're not replacing Brit Farvin as Primier. This isn't 27 year old Joe Montana. Like I don't know. I found Geno Smith. I can figure it out. If we got to take a step back, take a step forward, we'll do it. I think anytime that you get caught up as like what will you do? I don't know. I mean I, I found Geno Smith. I can find another Geno Smith. So I think sometimes that people freak out about like the middle of the road quarterback. Like this is not like what would you do without Joe Burrow? Or a franchise would crumble. What would happen If Josh Allen disappeared tomorrow, we'd be fucked. What would happen if Geno Smith held out? Slash. We cut him. Slash wasn't on our team next year. I don't know. I'd be interested to find out though. Especially when we're talking like this is a business so the cap hit the money kind of matters. Could I get keep getting into business with Geno Smith who's been in and I feel like I'm taking shots at him. Incredible fucking story. I mean his career was over. Everyone had written him off and as Geno said, he didn't write back clearly. Pretty high level Cat Cat. Some huge moments throughout his career with Seattle kept them in the mix. They've made the playoffs two out of three years, right? They make the playoffs last year? No, they missed. But they went. They won 10 games. Be interested to know what Mike McDonald thinks about him. Love the show. Fellow Arizona transplant, why on earth do you think we, the NFL consumer want to listen to Aaron Rodgers? Well, I would include myself in your we. He's just famous. Why does anyone want to listen to any of these guys? Right? Why? Why do you most guys get why did Tom Brady get hired? Because he's Tom Brady. If Aaron Rodgers got hired on TV, why would he get hired? Because Aaron Rodgers 1. I've said this over and over and I believe this to my core. It doesn't fucking matter after a game or two who's calling the game, right? So like Aaron Rodgers. Listen, would he piss some people off? Sure he would. Would it probably not be as crazy as people would assume. Yeah. He's clearly not going to go into broadcasting this year because it looks like he's still going to play. But I've watched a lot of football over the last, I don't know, 15 plus years. There are a ton of God awful announcers. I promise you Aaron Rodgers would be fine. People think my Aaron Rodgers take of him going to Amazon is crazy. I'm all for it. I hope they hire him if he plays this year, next year. Glad you enjoyed the four Nations Face off tournament. I was happy to see hockey get some good coverage. I think it's the second best spot after football and has been the best playoffs out of any sport. Do you think hockey can take the number two or three spot if basketball keeps trending down? Also you should check out the ASU hockey game. I went to the arena a couple years ago when the Coyotes were playing there and they played the Washington Capitals. I saw Ovechkin. It's the only hockey game I'VE ever been to? I would say no. And I think the problem is, is in this country part of the reason we watch sports, right? Every sport I watch, for the most part I have played, right, like football, played high school football, basketball, played growing up, played pickup basketball, played up till like 8th grade. I never played baseball past Little League, but it's like most people at one point in time play some sort of organized baseball. Golf, I still play to this day, even tennis, like played a little tennis growing up, even in college kind of messed around to get a, get a workout here and there. So most things that I have watched, I have played in a lot of them, like on teams or with other people in like in a semi serious environment. And so when you think about people like football has the most just because the quantity of people playing. But baseball and basketball in this country, if you do play athletics, you probably have dabbled either in junior high school or junior high in those sports. So you are just going to be more inclined to watch those. Where hockey, it is very, very dependent on the weather. So there are areas that hockey is really popular, right? The Northeast, I would say Michigan, Minnesota, the Dakotas, where it's hard. Like hockey is never going to be that big. In the south where baseball and basketball and obviously football, but even like golf are just going to be way bigger because young people are going to play them and I think that will be a difficult thing for them to overcome. And I'm with you. The NHL hockey playoffs, which I have loosely followed over the years, but I definitely was dialed in last year, is fantastic. The energy, the effort. You don't even really need to know like every rule. Like you wouldn't baseball, basketball or football to really enjoy it. Like I'm pretty simple to be entertained, okay? I like violence, I like effort. When it comes to sports, honestly, when it comes to anything, like if you have a violent show, I'll probably watch. I've said this over and over, like the, what's the show with the dragons? Game of Thrones. I'm not into that world. Like I don't really do fake worlds. That's not my type. Television or movies, like it just doesn't do it for me, you know, I've never been a big like Darth Vader guy. I don't think I've watched bits and pieces of it over the year. But obviously there's some of you guys are die hard with some of that stuff. I'm not a huge sci fi, whatever fake world. Maybe it's not fake. Maybe it actually existed. Even like alien type stuff, like not totally into. But if you give me incredible fighting scenes and obviously some sex scenes and some drama, like I was entertained by Game of Thrones. It didn't like I wouldn't rank it as one of my top all time television shows, but I knew culturally it was a big deal and I watched and I could at least semi enjoy it because of fighting and sex. You know, I think we're pretty easily entertained and if you just watch the hockey playoffs and people are fighting and people are getting lit up and you're just like, ah, this is pretty. And the effort is elite. It's why we like the NCAA tournament. The effort is elite. I don't know anyone in college basketball beside Cooper Flag, but I will watch a ton of the NCAA tournament because how much it means to the players, if it means a lot to the talent, it's going to mean a lot to the consumer. So why regular season basketball? Like we've tuned it out because the players don't care. So if they don't care, why the fuck am I going to care? And in baseball, I think they kind of care a lot of the time, but the games don't actually matter. What was the podcast you mentioned recently that had an episode on education and the use of AI? I think it was the all in podcast. They talk a lot about AI, which is a little over my head, but I think it was the last one. Enjoy the pod. Congrats on having the super bowl winning GM and Andy Reid on the pod last year would have had him on again at the combine. I think we're gonna maybe try to do like a spring, maybe some sort of spring GM tour. See if we can make that happen. Get a sponsored Coors Light Hauler at me. My question relates to the recent hiring of Kevin Patolo. I think I'm saying his name right. As the offensive coordinator the Eagles. He's been an assistant coach for several years, but to my knowledge has never called plays. And it got me thinking. Have you ever seen or heard of an instance in which a coach was considered a great play designer, but as an OC or even a head coach, failed as a play caller? Seeing that each requires a unique yet different set of skills, it feels like something that could happen from time to time. I bet it happens a lot, I would imagine. Let's use him as an example. He has been in the NFL for a long time. I think. I looked at his resume. He'd been there, I mean, for since the late 2000s. I actually interned with the Chiefs in the business department in fall of 07, and he was on the staff as like a young, young assistant. I mean, you're talking 17 years ago. So most guys, when they've been in the NFL for a long time and they work around good people, are going to learn a lot of football and be good. Like, I bet a lot of coaches who have been in the NFL as an assistant coach, whether you're a wide receiver coach, whether you're running back coach, O line coach, d line coach, you're in the league for a decade plus, you're gonna have pretty good knowledge of schematics. And I bet a decent amount of them could draw a lot of sweet plays on the whiteboard on a given week. Right? We're playing team X. They do this. What would work against that? Well, part of being a good play caller is like, you get. You study for the test and a lot of people can study well. Then you get to the test and like, things that you studied aren't exactly translating. So you kind of got to be instinctive on the fly and change in real time. And it's really intense. So you actually have to have the cognitive ability to like everything you've studied put now forward, and then the ability to, like, stay calm if it's not working and adjust or change. And that's. I mean, think about Belichick and Andy, how like, calm, cool, and collected they are. So, like, part of the reason that they never panic. One, their experience levels were made basically longer than everyone they're competing against at this point. But, like, you start freaking out and you could use this in life. And I listen, I. I still have it in me, but I try to be very careful with the hot temper, with freaking out about situations that don't go your way. You break something, it could be around the house, it could be in a relationship, it could be anything. In life, you don't think straight when you freak out. And I do believe that some people get in over their head. If you start freaking out, you're not going to be good at the job. And the job is really intense because, you know, a lot of people are watching you. So, yeah, I would imagine we have a lot of good play designers who are offer awful play callers because it's just. It's just too, too intense. Can you explain from a scout's perspective, the difference between a football player that is talented versus one that is instinctive? And generally speaking, if you were a gm, which would you be more likely to draft a less Talented but more instinctive player. A more talented, less instinctive player. Well, I think you could use. Talent is like sides, size and speed. So you'll see this time of year a lot of guys like this wide receiver, he's 6 foot 4 and he just ran a 4, 4 flat. But then you're like, well, he can't really ever locate the ball down the field and his hands are kind of iffy. So it's like he has physical gifts, but his instincts are awful. You could argue if he has bad hands, let's say he has good hands. So he actually is really talented. But like contested catches, he doesn't have great spatial awareness and it doesn't work. It happens a lot with dbs, right? They, they fit all the measurements. Like this, this corner is six foot one. It's changing directions. Elite. He's an elite athlete. He's a big time talent. Yet if you just throw a ball up and he's covering a guy, he has no clue what's going on. D lineman. You see a lot of D lineman. It's like this guy, this guy looks like Tarzan and then he plays like Jane. Why? Because like his feel for like when to make a move, his instincts, playing the position. Think about most of the good defensive linemen. Their instincts are elite. Aaron Donald, J.J. watt, T.J. watt, the Bosa brothers, when they're healthy. Khalil Mack, like, they're just natural. They have a good feel for it. And instincts. It's hard to quantify. It's why you see some draft busts is because if you don't have instincts to play a position, I say this, all quarterback, you know, playmaking instincts. Mahomes is elite at it. Jalen's pretty good at it when he's playing well. Josh Allen's in Lamar. They have elite instincts. So ideally you got to get both, but you can get by. Like I can take a talented offensive guard and kind of figure it out if his instincts aren't great, it's hard to play linebacker. If you don't have good instincts, it's impossible to play db. I think if you don't have good instincts and be good, you can get by at wide receiver if you're really talented, because I can kind of scheme you open. But instincts in football are extremely important. Can I tell you about my friends at Mando? They've taken care of me for a long time now. And listen, it's Arizona. It gets really hot and I get very sweaty. And that's where my friends at Mando, they come in with the deodorant wipes. How about the deodorant spray and just the whole body deodorant that you just put a little bit on? You can put it under your pitch. 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Trevon Edwards
What's up everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast got greatest of their era with Steph Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooter.
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Steph Curry
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open. Like you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Steph Curry
Peja 5 Dirk 4 Peja is elite.
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Trevon Edwards
I'm mad him I left him off.
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Mark Seale
My list, but I still like my list.
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Trevon Edwards
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Steph Curry
That's so tough. That's why we type these conversations.
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Trevon Edwards
Yes, absolutely.
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Steph Curry
Love it.
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Trevon Edwards
Listen to Goat greatest of their era on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mark Seale
Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley. Time to remind them.
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Alec Baldwin
Yellowstone fans, step into the Yellowstone universe.
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Mark Seale
Dark family legacy is this ranch and I protect of my life.
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Alec Baldwin
Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide. Action explore untold behind the scenes stories, exclusive cast interviews and in depth discussions about the themes and legacy of Yellowstone.
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Mark Seale
You know, the first studs to settle this valley fighting was all they knew.
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Alec Baldwin
Whether you're a longtime fan or new to the ranch, welcome to the Yellowstone. Bobby Bones has everything you need to stay connected to the Yellowstone phenomenon.
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Mark Seale
I look forward to it.
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Alec Baldwin
Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mark Seale
Let's go to work. I'm Mark Seale.
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Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
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Alec Baldwin
This is Leave the Gun, Take the Cannoli.
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Mark Seale
The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.
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Nathan King
Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli is based on my co host Mark's best selling book of the same title. And on this show we call upon his years of research to help unpack the story behind the Godfather's birth. From start to finish, this is really.
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Mark Seale
The first interview I've done in bed.
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Nathan King
We sift through innumerable accounts. 35 pages isn't very much, many of them conflicting.
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Mark Seale
That's nonsense.
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Nathan King
There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.
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Mark Seale
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Nathan King
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Mark Seale
Yes, that was the real horse's head.
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Nathan King
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Mark Seale
Women's sports question for you. Why doesn't the WNBA and soccer play in smaller market cities without professional men's teams to help drive ticket prices and interest? Basically play in cities that have all the other minor league teams and they play in smaller arenas. Just talking with my wife about it, it seems pretty Obvious their games would be the event in the city, like Spokane, Washington or some shit. It's a good question. I'll be completely honest. I've never spent one second thinking about that. Now, I'm not a huge. Well, let's face it, I don't watch any women's sports. I'd say the most women's sports I've ever watched beside like Team USA Soccer, maybe over the years has been some Caitlin Clark playing hoops, but I've never thought about their business model. Let's face it. I mean, the WNBA exists because of the NBA. They have never in the history of their league pulled a profit. So, like, obviously in a lot of industries, some businesses subsidize other parts of their business. I would say most businesses like the WNBA could not have gone on for three decades losing money while their employees complained about not flying private and not making enough money when they literally never generated any money. Now with Caitlin Clark, boom. You would think they would have the opportunity to make money. But then everyone in the league is pissed off and thinks she gets too much shine. It's like, guys, it's just supply and demand. And for whatever reason, there is a lot of demand for her. And it's like, well, she's a white girl. There have been a lot of white chicks in the WNBA that you couldn't have paid any fucking person I know to watch them dribble the basketball one time. So it's like, I don't know, she's just. She reminded people of Steph Curry the way she played, and it's like they're pushing back against it. So I actually think playing in areas where there's. For the wnba, where NBA is, that means basketball should be popular in theory is probably the right way to go. But I think WNBA beside Caitlin Clark has a lot of issues. Just because everyone, like you could argue if they hate on her only makes her more popular. But what they experienced last year was like, you guys are clueless. But I mean, everyone in that business has literally never had to make a profit to maintain their job, which wouldn't exist for me or you or most people. You know, three decades in, I've noticed that player success in the NFL depends a lot on external factors. Coaching scheme, supporting cast, team environment. As a Panther fan, I followed Bryce Young and C.J. stroud debate closely. And one thing I keep hearing is that we'll never truly know if Stroud would have succeeded in Carolina the way he has in Houston. It raises a bigger question. How do we determine whether a Player is capable of succeeding anywhere versus somehow whose success or struggles is mostly a product of their situation. For example, let's be clear. Guys like Mahomes, Lamar Burrow and Allen have transcendent talent. But when evaluating someone like Bryce Young, how do we separate the individual ability from the circumstances around him? On the flip side, we've seen cases like Baker Mayfield who struggled in certain environments but has found success in the right system, and Josh Rosen. Josh wasn't good enough. It's a question that will never go away because we'll never be able to quantify it. I think it's easy to go. Patrick Mahomes would have been Patrick Mahomes wherever, probably not now. Would he have been good? Yeah, I. I would imagine he would have been a long time starter and had a lot of good moments. But he'd be the first to tell you. I got extremely lucky that Andy Reid called me on draft night and said, we are drafting you, Patrick. And then I got there with Brett Veach, who was the driving force in getting me drafted. Who. Both guys were all in on me. And it turns out that Andy Reid is one of the greatest coaches of all time. And when I started, they already had Tyree Kill and Travis Kelsey on the team. Like, there are things that you have going for you. If I put them on the Carolina Panthers, it probably wouldn't have gone as smoothly. Right? Lamar is a good example. He. He's way better. I mean, he could play anywhere now, but early on, like, going to the Ravens is a pretty good spot, especially as they adapted and build an entire offense around him. It's like, would Lamar Jackson have looked the same if he just would have gone to the Miami Dolphins? I think we would doubt that. But these are quite. We can never. Who knows, like, how many points would prime Michael Jordan score today? I'm pretty sure he'd average 45. I think he'd average a lot. Right. It's like. Or a better example would be like, well, the entire league's gone small. What would like 1996 Shaquille O'Neal do in the W? Not WNBA. Fuck NBA. It'd be a problem for people. Right? But these are. This is what makes sports fun. We don't know the answer to any of these ever. It's incredible hypotheticals. We can talk till we're blue in the face and we will never get a resolution. There will never be a. An outcome. Listen, one of my favorite topics. Let's. Let's redraft 2014. Okay, let's redraft 2014. In the history of sports, there has never been an actual redraft after the fact, like, five years later. Well, if we redrafted now, Micah Parsons. Well, yeah, he went 12 and he's on the Dallas Cowboys. So, like, if we redrafted, of course he'd go number two, but that's not happening. Big fan from Canada. Been following since you were rocking Tito's with Haberman a few years back. I mean, no disrespect. I'm a Niner fan and always wondered what deal is with the Bay Area serving softball questions to Kyle and company guys. Ask certain questions myself. Becoming a fan of Grant, who's kind of like this polarizing media guy who's always. Him and Kyle are always getting into it. So why do you think the majority Ashanian company a bunch of softball shit during the pressers? I think. Here's the thing. The west coast is not like Philadelphia or New York or New England where you go to every press conference and it is a war zone. That is what. Not just the expectation, but that's what the consumer wants. Getting into it constantly with Kyle or McVeigh or Phil Jackson or Steve Kerr. That's just not the vibe out West. Never has been and it never will be. It doesn't mean that there aren't tense situations that arise and there are individuals who will do it. You know, Kawakami got into it at the final press conference because he asked Kyle, and he's buddies with Kyle about the special teams. And John and Kyle got so defensive about how they care about special teams. It's like, guys, just because you draft a kicker in the third round doesn't mean that you care about special teams. We all go to practice. Kyle. We know that you don't watch any of the special team shit. I don't blame you. It's boring. But you're the head coach, and then the special teams always sucks. You're like, well, we drafted a kicker high. We put Debo back there. Well, great. It's not just about putting players. It's about effort. Right. How much effort do you put into special teams? You like. Do you just stand there and, like, hold them accountable, or are you off fucking playing catch with Ayuk on the other side of the field? Bullshit. So I just think that. Yeah, I mean, you try. They just. They're not used to it on the West coast, you know, sometimes on the east coast too. Like, they'll like, okay, let's spar. Let's get into it. Like, the west coast, they'll just like kind of shut you down. It's just not even as fun. And I just really listen. Having been in radio for a long time, the west coast consumer will not consume negativity. They just won't. Like they will in Philly, in Washington, in Detroit, in New York, in Boston. Like, they kind of yearn for them. The moment those teams start losing, the ratings go way down. Right. Like, obviously if your team wins super bowl, that's the best you can do. But like, in some places, if your team is awful, it can be pretty good for business because the consumer kind of likes it. That's not really in the west coast at all. Yeah, I'm going to go play golf. I'm going to go to the beach. I'm just going to go outside. It's December and it's 75 degrees. So I think that plays a part in it as well. I'm from Winters, California. Know right where that is. Born and raised right down the street. Former Sac State Hornet. There's been a lot of talk about Sac State moving into the PAC12 with the new stadium. And I owe money and coaching changes. You got any insight into this? I don't understand. The Pac 12 is dead. So they can keep the name Oregon State and Washington State. I know you guys got a lot of pride, but adding Fresno State, San Diego State, Boise State, you're just the Mountain west calling yourself the PAC12. So Sac State, if you're Sac State and you can essentially get into the Mountain west, you do that in a heartbeat. I don't know anything about like your nil money. I know Shifter put out that they had $50 million, but the Pac 12 does not exist. They can call themselves that. You're not the Pac 12, you're the mountain west with Oregon State in Washington State, which it sucks for you guys, you guys kind of got screwed because you guys did care about all this stuff. But big picture, you probably belong playing Fresno State and Boise State in San Diego State. That probably feels right. Honestly. No, it does feel right. But you're not the PAC12. And this notion too, that the PAC12 would get a bigger television deal than the Mountain West. It's the same thing. Part of the reason that you would get a big deal with the PAC 12 is that you had Oregon and SC and Arizona. Well, those teams are gone if Andrew Luck never retired. So if you're Sac State all for it, I would get. I would be fired up if I got involved with him. If Andrew Luck had never retired, would he be neck and neck with Mahomes? Or would he be at the top of Tier 2 with Alan Jackson and Burrow? Or would he be somewhere else? I mean, I don't know. Is it. Again, this is what makes sports so fun. Great hypothetical. I think Andrew Luck was every bit as good as these guys you're listing. Like, I think he, if he was with a team that could build a team that he could have won a Super Bowl. Now would he have won three Super Bowls? So would he be with Mahomes? Probably not. But I would say that he was every bit as good. I mean Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen, I mean these are like MVPs. Like that's what he was. And listen, tier two, like those guys aren't tier two quarterbacks. They're on tier two teams. But like they are like all time great quarterbacks. I mean all time. Lamar Jackson's the most dynamic player we've ever seen passing and running. Right. Cam Newton's the most physical runner. I would say Steve Young is the best passing runner ever. Michael Vick's probably like one of the great all time talents, all around talents. I think Lamar's the best player. It took Steve Young a long time to win Super Bowl. I think Josh Allen's like the modern day Elway. I think Lamar, I think Josh. Excuse me, Andrew was those guys. I mean, he was fucking awesome. Not a question for the mailbag, but you talked about Tom's Thumb barbecue. You and Maria have to go check out Little Miss Barbecue. It's the best in Arizona. You have to get there like two hours before opening because of how fast they sell out. It's a must. I love food. I'm gonna try to fast a little bit this week, see if I can lose about £5 for the wedding. But I love to eat. I love to eat more than the size of my body. I mean I can eat for like a 6, 5, 300 pound guy. I'm 5, 10, buck 90. But if your restaurant is telling me to get there two hours before they even open, it's one of those like maybe in college, I. And listen, I'm sure that food is remarkable. You're just not getting me there as a consumer. And I appreciate it. Which clearly means you had a great product sells out. But like if I got a stand in line outside like it's Duke basketball playing North Carolina the day before and I gotta wait for tickets, I'm just, I'm not gonna attend the event. Just like I'm not gonna eat the barbecue. So if I gotta wait I'm just being completely honest here. I'm not gonna eat the brisket sandwich. It's not because I don't love brisket sandwiches. I love them. For whatever reason, Maria hates brisket. She's like. Or burnt ends. It kind of bothers me. It's like, I'm not gonna. How do you not like this? But she doesn't question for the pot. Do the bills pay cook the 15 million he wants or better off going with their young running back room, Davis and Johnson? Cook's pretty good, man. I would have a hard time not paying him. I think they pay him. I think they pay him. And here's the other thing. $15 million a year. Is that really that much money? I actually think it's a pretty good deal. You have mentioned people that have helped advance your career. You mentioned on your last show that you will be out of pocket a little bit with your wedding around the combine. Curious. Have you ever had any thoughts about your intern or anyone else covering an episode or two while you were gone, just like Colin does for his show? I have the operation, I would say over the next. My goal over the next 18 to 24 months is to vastly expand the operation that way. I mean, that's a huge reason we have brought Jackson on a meeting with Jackson here sometime soon. I would say. The one thing with the podcast, like, even if I'm going to the wedding, I can still record my podcast from wherever I'm at. The one downside to the business I'm in currently, which is incredible, and I'm very grateful and I wouldn't change it for anything you do kind of hit the nail on the head. Like, this is not one of those businesses that I just take a week off if I don't bring my shit with me and record, like, nothing happens unless I pre record some stuff, like interviews. So that is something like big picture. I've definitely thought about. You don't want to. I'm not in the business of not doing anything for a long time. So basically anyone that's been listening for over a year knows, like, the summer, I'm still recording shit. Which again, like, I like doing this. I mean, this is my job. This is what I enjoy doing. This is what I'm pretty good at doing. But ideally, sometimes, maybe it would be nice to just completely tune out and let someone do it. Now the problem is, like, next week at the wedding, like, free agency starting. There's stuff I want to talk about when it happens. This is not middle of July when nothing is going on. So, like, if so. And so let's say Miles Garrick gets traded. I want to have a take. And I think that's one of the powerful things of the business I'm in. Like, I can just record it from my hotel room and then my entire, you know, plane ticket. There was a write off because it's business. Middle Cough LLC writes it off. You know, it's all kind of interconnected. But yeah, I mean, I, there are, I've had ideas and notes about kind of where we want to head and what the potential is. But as of right now, if there's a podcast on this feed, it's going to be me. And listen, I haven't been doing this long enough to like, if you tune into this, this is not your tuning into ESPN or even Fox Sports 1. And like there is programming. Like, this program comes when I record a podcast and you seek it out. So I really value that. I'm not in a position where this is, I'm not coward of Dan Patrick where it's like, let's get someone to fill in for your show. That's not really the business I'm in. You know, I'm a podcaster and the podcast is me. I could be wrong, but I'm just going to use him as an example. Like if Joe Rogan, like, no one fills in for Joe Rogan. No one fills in like a big cat and pft don't do a show like other people aren't filling in for them. So we're kind of. Our industry is a little different than historically it used to be. Like I, when I was in radio, I took two weeks off, someone fill in and take my spot. But that's because every day at 10 o'clock, like there's gonna be a show. So if I'm not doing it, someone has to do it. So if, like there's just not a show next Friday, it's because, like, I'm getting married, right, Whatever. So it's a little different that way. 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Trevon Edwards
What's up everybody? I'm Trevon Edwards, co host of the new podcast Got Greatest of their Era with Seth Curry. You don't want to miss our first episode that's out now. We went live from All Star Weekend and had special guest appearance by Steph Curry himself, Stephen. Steph talked about what separates the truly elite NBA shooters.
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Steph Curry
When you have a scouting report and you're on the list as not just a shooter, but we have specific rules for how we guard you. There's a fear factor that's associated with anytime you're wide open, like you might as well just count that and get back on defense.
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Trevon Edwards
And we ranked our top five shooters from the 2000s.
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Steph Curry
Peja 5, dirt 4.
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Trevon Edwards
Peja is elite, madam.
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Mark Seale
I left him off my list, but I still like my list.
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Trevon Edwards
You won't believe who Steph left off his list.
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Steph Curry
That's so tough. That's why we tap these conversations. Absolutely love it.
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Trevon Edwards
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Mark Seale
Everyone's forgotten who runs this valley. Time to remind them.
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Alec Baldwin
Yellowstone fans, step into the Yellowstone universe.
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Mark Seale
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Alec Baldwin
Hosted by Bobby Bones, the official Yellowstone podcast takes you deeper into the franchise that's captivated millions worldwide. Action explore untold behind the scenes stories, exclusive cast interviews and in depth discussions about the themes and legacy of Yellowstone.
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Mark Seale
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Alec Baldwin
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Mark Seale
I look forward to it.
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Alec Baldwin
Listen to the official Yellowstone podcast Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mark Seale
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Nathan King
And I'm Nathan King.
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Alec Baldwin
This is Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli.
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Mark Seale
The five families did not want us to shoot that picture.
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Nathan King
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Mark Seale
The first interview I've done in bed.
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Nathan King
We sift through innumerable accounts.
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Mark Seale
35 pages isn't very much.
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Nathan King
Many of them conflicting.
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Mark Seale
That's nonsense.
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Nathan King
There were 60 pages and try to get to the truth of what really happened.
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Mark Seale
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Nathan King
Leave the Gun Take the Cannoli features new and archival interviews with Francis Ford Coppola, Robert Evans, James Caan, Talia Shire and many others.
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Mark Seale
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Nathan King
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Mark Seale
Okay Green Bay fan here, my question relates to the packers stunner. When I look at the packers on paper they seem fairly well constructed, balanced statistically all phases of our team, O line, D line, pass, run, secondary turnovers, land between 4th and 12th and our overall performance through the season and the 7th seed seem to align with that data, I'd agree. Can we or any other team really make a Super bowl run without having one or two truly elite elements to their team? It feels like the best GMs like Howie aim for, aim for and pay elite high ceiling players and he's willing to take risks on rookies and lower paid free agents that were fill out the roster. Well you guys have always done that. Like you guys have always, you know, Zach Bond, Makai Becton. Like you guys have hit on a lot of players like that over the years. I mean Charles Woodson, if I remember correctly, he was his market wasn't exactly robust when you guys signed him and he left the Raiders. So and I'm not comparing, you know, Charles woods is a Hall of Famer to Zach Vaughn who's you know, had one hall of Fame level season. But my point is like you, you guys have hit on that. You took a pretty big swing on Josh Jacobs that that worked. I think the part of the problem for you guys was Jordan Love was very hit or miss throughout the season and your passing game obviously toward the end with the injuries and it's you know, I would say polarizing might be the wrong way to put it but you know your wide receiver group while very talented when you guys were really good, I know you didn't win more Super Bowls but like after you won the super bowl with Rogers then you had that stretch where you just in a bunch of conference championship games and competing you had a, you had a specific like a clear number one guy. I do think as a offense you need to clear number one an alpha as wide receiver and that was Jordy and then it was Driver early on, then Jordy and then obviously Devonte and I think with the Eagles like it's A.J. brown, right? With the Bengals, it's Jamar Chase. For a long time, it was Tyree Kill, and then it became Travis Kelsey. I think that, you know, the hierarchy of an offense, it's pretty rare. Even with the 49ers. A couple years ago, like, it was Christian McCaffrey. And this year, it's like, well, who's, you know, Jacobs in that playoff game was trying to will you guys to a victory. So I. I think you got to find some hierarchy with the wide receivers, and maybe it's just a. A natural. It'll play itself out. Maybe you'll sign devonte back. I don't know. But I think, you know, your passing game because your defense actually is a lot better. It's just offensively, I think I was expecting the last eight games of Jordan Love this year, and he got banged up, and it just never felt really aligned. I mean, you had moments, but how many games, too, were you guys down big and came storming back? Lions game was a bad loss. Vikings game, you got at your ass, kicked. What was your guys? I think the part of the problem with the packers last year was what was their divisional record? I don't think it was very good. The Green Bay packers were one in five in the division. One and five. That's pretty bad, man. That's really bad. That's embarrassing. Especially because, like, the Lions in Minnesota were two of the better teams in the conference. Listen, lose the Bears, I know they haven't lost. You're allowed to lose a random game in division every once in a while, but, like, to get swept by the Vikings and the Lions like that, that. That's a big kick in the nuts. So to me, like, for you guys to be good, I mean, think about this. You were. You were 11 and 6 and win one in five in the division. That's pretty crazy. Like The Washington Commanders, 12 and 5, they were 4 and 2, the Vikings 4 and 2, the Rams 4 and 2, the Bucks 4 and 2, Eagles 5 and 1, and the Lions didn't lose a game. I think when you look at all these playoff teams, how they did in their division, you guys were by far the worst. Chiefs 5 and 1, and they threw a game. Bills 5 and 1. I don't think they tried their last game. Ravens 4 and 2, the Texans 5 and 1. It's pretty crazy. Even the Steelers and the Broncos, who were the 6 and 7 seeds that were 10 and 7, were 3 and 3. 3 and 3. Pretty nuts that you went 1 in 5. I can't imagine there are many playoff teams. I need someone to run like a statistical analysis. There has to be a very short list of playoff teams now that we got seven seeds. That's probably changed the last couple years, but I would say the last 20 years, team that won one division game has never made the playoffs. Do you think wide receivers could end up being in the same boat as running backs? Especially with so many talented guys come in the league every year? Or do you think the longer careers and importance on the passing game will keep wide receivers from seeing the same dip in salary? Coward has the funny theory about the whole backward hat thing. Do you have any takes on NFL trends or player habits that you think are a little overrated or just funny? I see my pushback on the backward hats thing. I think it's a generational thing. I mean, for a long period of time, you know, most successful people all kind of dressed the same, right? When you just thought of someone successful, you thought like a sports coat tucked in shirt. Well, the richest people in the world were like a sweatshirt and jeans to work Tech kind of threw everything for a loop. Like, look at what Mark Zuckerberg wears. Even Bezos, who's now on, you know, who knows? Testosterone, hormones and everything pumping through his body, which I appreciate, but in the peak of his powers as a nerd, like looked like geeky, you know, in terms of the clothes he wears, like what you wear. Now obviously if you're meeting certain people, there is a time and a place to put on something nice. But I think the backward hats thing and you know, Colin, like, I would disagree in 2025, like even if behind you and his whole thing, like the corporate sponsors like JP Morgan Chase, do you think they really care if Tom Brady has a backward or forward hat? His net worth, like $500 million. I just don't think it matters at all. And I'm someone that doesn't have hair and wears a hat most days. But I just, I think there are things that used to matter that like still, like when you interact with someone, looking them in the eye, shaking their hand, like that still matters, but what you're actually wearing, like, obviously you want to wear clothes, but if you went to a business meeting and you are the guy with all the money and you wore shorts and a T shirt, do you think anyone gives a flying fuck? You know, and I think forever, that was always kind of frowned upon. And listen, I have a different background because like I grew up around farmers and some of these farmers had a lot of cash and like, wore dirty jeans and a polo shirt. And I mean, these guys now, I mean, you know, I know of people in the Valley. I mean, these guys ain't flying commercial. Like, they own their own jet and the hangar. So it's like, I just think that we overvalue things and things change. So it's like. I mean, once upon a time. Listen, I. And listen, there are fashion elements that you see, guys that I would say, like, fuck, what the hell is this guy wearing? But I guess things change. Getting ready for the combine. Question. Obviously, players at a Power 4 program and a select few Group of 5. Did I even answer your question? Wide receivers? I. I think eventually someone just has to say no, like, I'm not paying you $40 million. Now, I wouldn't say that to Jamar Chase. I think Jamar Chase is one of the best players in the league. But I think the 49ers made a big mistake last year with Brandon Iuk. I hated that. I just thought that they kind of got played. He won. Like, they negotiated, and he dominated them, and they got punked. You know, at least Debo literally carried them to a championship when, you know, Debo won the negotiation as well. But, like, hey, listen, we wouldn't even have made the playoffs, let alone got to where we got. Like, we rode you like Secretariat, like, Brandon, I brought you cost 75 balls. Good player. I'm paying $30 million for 75 catches was insane. So to me, I got no problem paying elites elite money. Say this all the time in the NBA. Like, I will pay Steph Curry. I'll pay LeBron James. I'll play Jokic, unlike Nico, I'd play Luca. I'd pay the top seven, eight guys who are true max guys. But when you start maxing out, like, player 23, like, you deserve to lose. So it's like, who am I paying and what am I paying them? Are they super elite? Because there's a big difference to me between A.J. brown and, I don't know, some of these other cats. Obviously, players at a Power 4 and a select group of Power 5 schools get a good look with lots of exposure throughout the year. But I'm a small school guy and follow the FCs closely with the talent at the higher levels. Not a lot of players get a chance to go to the Senior bowl or invited to the combine, even though there are quite a few that make big impact later in the league. What kind of intention does an NFL team give to lower levels and how are they evaluated compared to the top level? Players. I think if you're a really good player at North Dakota State, at Montana, you know, at the big South Dakota State, they are going to the Senior Bowl. You know those programs have had enough guys drafted that if they are good enough, every team in the league is going through these programs. Now if you are at Cal Poly or UC Davis, I'm just using, I know the west coast school FCS programs better and you aren't making it to the playoffs and you're like still have some NFL qualities like it. Yeah, you're probably not getting invited to an all star game. It's going to be more difficult. And if it's the same as like being at like a bad Division 1 program like San Diego State, you're going to get more looks and historically it's proven to be true. Are there going to be outliers? Yeah, but if I'm a gm, like I'm okay with missing on the dude. I'm not going to miss on the guy from South Dakota State. I'm not going to miss on the guy from North Dakota State if he's going to get drafted in the third or fourth round. But like the undrafted free agent that might make a team from UC Davis, like I only have so much bandwidth to worry about that guy. I need to get the fourth rounder. I need to get Dallas Goddard right. I need to get Carson Wentz right. I need to get Cooper like a guy we're going to draft. Obviously those guys were high draft picks but any draft pick. So I yeah, they get discriminated against and rightfully so. History would say their chances are success are much smaller. Question for the Mailbag. I'm a longtime Packer fan and was just watching the Mailbag and you were talking about how the packers will be fine and I also agree we always will be in the hunt but I feel like they need a big splash. I like gut, he says I love gut as the GM and he makes an insane amount of good late round picks. And last free agency picked up guys like McKinney and Josh Jacobs. My one concern is that we always seem to miss in the first round. Morgan last year injured like you didn't miss if a guy got hurt, I mean and he might be good, he might not be. Time will tell. I think he's an Arizona tackle but he's not a bust. Lucas Van Ness has been a huge bust. Like that was like that. Here's the one pushback I'd have against packers drafting philosophy. They are addicted. I would say more than any Other team that's good. Like a lot of like, look at Andy Reid. They don't have height, weight, speed requirements. If you can play, they're going to be interested. Like there are some teams that would not mess with Xavier Worthy. Definitely as high as they took him. Like smaller player, right? Just not. He's like this guy. I want him. Right. And obviously he has a history with desean Jackson. Tyree Kill. Like smaller speed guys. But Luke Van Ness, and correct me if I'm wrong, never started in college, never started a game at Iowa. Definitely his whatever year, his draft year was, was not a starter. I just don't think that's good business. You're going to take a guy in the first round because he has a lot of sweet measurables and he was a big time athletic freak that couldn't start at Iowa. Well, what's Iowa? A really good defensive program. We can make fun of offense all we want and they're technically or you know, you know, by the numbers have been pretty poor over the last, you know, which is ironic because they've had some of the best tight ends in the NFL. George Kittle, who actually kind of underachieved in college. LaPorta. I mean, they have studs everywhere but. And their running back this year is actually really good. Like they actually produce offensive skill guys, but the offense as a whole isn't good. Their defense is Cooper De Jean. I mean they produce dudes, but the guy's not going to start and you're going to take him in the first round. Like that's kind of overthinking. And he. I haven't seen Guta Kins ever talk about this, but I think over a couple cold beers here he'd be the first to tell you that was stupid. That was stupid. But organizationally that. That's kind of. They do a lot of stuff like that and sometimes it works. You know, Christian Watson, I know he tore his acl, but like a lot of people thought they were nuts for taking that pick. Highway speed guy. Well, actually when he's on the field, he's pretty fucking good. But he started, you know, he. You don't start in college. If I'm the Packers, I can't draft you. So listen, I think I'm with you. You guys aren't going away. You're going to be a playoff team. You're probably not going to go one and five in the division again. But like if Max Crosby, Micah Parsons, Miles Garrett, like you should be one of the teams offering the most can we get you for two ones and a two, like it's time to take a big swing, you know. The last time the packers non quarterback took an enormous swing was in free agency when they signed Reggie White. And that worked out pretty well. What do you make of the Brandon Staley hire as a Saints dc I find it weird that Moore was an assistant to Staley less than two years ago and now the roles are reversed. On top of that, Staley's defense was bad when Moore was in la and it was, this is just kind of how football works sometimes, you know. Brandon Staley took care of Kellen when Mike fired him and now he's taking care of Brandon Staley now. I think Kellen Moore is good at his job. I think he's a good offensive coordinator and a very, very smart guy. I would hire Kellen Moore to be my offensive coordinator and you never know with the head coach, but totally understand why the Saints hired him. I'm not a brand Staley guy. I think he's just full of shit. I think he's like the Gavin Newsom of the NFL. I would not hire him as my defensive coordinator under any circumstances. He wasn't a good defensive coordinator in with the Chargers his one year with the Rams. To me, like little fraudulent 2020, every defensive coordinator is pretty good with the Rams. So I disagree with Kellen on that one. I just wouldn't want that guy to be one. I wouldn't want him in my building. I think he's one of the biggest frauds going. I really do. And the more stories I hear about him, it's like from a football standpoint, I'm not talking about his, you know, other off outside of the building. I'm just saying from a football standpoint, I think somehow this guy has finagled himself and it's like, what are we talking about? But I don't know. Question for the mailbag. I know you're not a big hockey fan, but what were your thoughts on the four Nations NHL tournament? Hockey is obviously huge up here, so I'm curious to see if big events will grow in the US and increase your personal interest in the sport. I loved it. I mean, I was, I would say, like the other 10 million people glued to my television in that final and I think I found I didn't even know the thing existed. So until I saw on social media that they had booed the anthem. So I clicked over and the fights had just happened. And then I clearly saw that there were. They started showing the replays of the three fights in 10 seconds. And that game was incredible. Did McDavid score first? And America was down, and then we came back and we won. And anytime America wins in hockey against Canada, like back in the day against Russia, it feels like a massive upset because it does not feel like we are remotely as good as these guys. Now, we're tough. You could argue we're tougher, but, like, we don't have McJesus flying around. Like, Wayne Gretzky ain't walking through that door. So it's. It's cool to watch. It feels. It's the version what I think we've always wanted out of soccer. Like, we understand we're not as good as everybody else. Like, completely understand that, and we're never going to win the World Cup. But can there ever just be a moment where it's like, we upset Brazil and we're going to the Final Four? Like, that just never. It's never going to happen. And I am totally cool with acknowledging, like, my expectations whenever one of these World cup happens in soccer, I'm stunned if we make it out of the group. Stunned. And my expectations don't exist. But sometimes in hockey you're like, damn, Kachuk brothers are kicking ass and taking names. These guys are just kind of brawling, and it's like, can we take down McJesus in Crosby? It just. It was fantastic, honestly. Was that their All Star game? I don't even know that much about it. Beside that they create four teams. They just played each other, and it just turned out we played Canada twice, and the games were riveting. I mean, it was just. It was just fantastic television. Ultimately, all this stuff, all these sports leagues, just like all these podcasts. We're all in the entertainment business, and that was elite entertainment. You know, I grew up watching the NBA All Star Game and the three point contest and the dunk contest. It used to be fantastic entertainment. It no longer is. So what happens? We don't watch. Historic lows. Why? It's not entertaining. Now hockey struggles here. I think ratings are down as, like, the NBA. So regular season hockey just, I guess, to the casual fan, isn't that entertaining. And I'm guilty. I don't watch. But that was great. And this isn't a complicated formula. When people really care, when the effort is really high, we will watch and we'll be entertained. I mean, it's pretty simple. As an outsider looking in, is it crazy to say that the Bengals should have paid T. Higgins and moved on from Jamar Chase for three first Round picks. Burrow is the type to elevate his wide receivers, and Lord knows he needs those picks. I would be the opposite. I just pay Chase. Do you understand how good Jamar Chase is? And I'm not, You know me, I'm pro. Like five or six wide receivers. Other than that, like, I'd have no problem. T. Higgins is a replaceable player and he's good. Like, I'm. I'm not anti T. Higgins. Good player. Want him on my team, but I'm not paying him $30 million when I also got Jamar Chase. So I'm pay $40 million. So I'm have two guys making $70 million. But Jamar Chase is a dominant, dominant force. Like, dominant. I mean, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin John, like, he's a un. Larry Fitzgerald, an unstoppable player. We saw him all year. I mean, just kicking the shit out of everybody, running by guys, breaking tackles, doing it all. And he's a winning player. Tegan's a winning player, too. But I got to make like, when I look at it all, I got to take care of Jamar. I'd like to keep my pass rusher. I got to let Higgins go. I should be able to find another Higgins in the second round. Another Bengals fan. Massive Bengals fan and have been my whole life. Our family used to have season tickets to the Kitna Palmer years. Talk about heartbreak. I wasn't around in the 80s, but I think the Bengals team the past four or five years has been the best version in franchise history. I get they are kind of a poverty franchise and structure contracts in an outdated way with no guaranteed salary past the first year. I didn't even know that, but I don't subscribe to the whole idea that they can't afford Jamar, T, Trey and Joe. With the cap going up more than 30 miles this year, they can easily do it. It would be one thing if they had a bunch of good players on defense and had note to sign a bunch of those guys, but they don't. I think two things can be true. Could they, like, do they have the money in bank accounts and through cash flow to sign all these guys? Yes. Can they make it work? 100%. If you and I ran the team and we love the Bengals like we were Mike Brown and the Bengals, like, listen, we talk shit about the Brown family. No one disputes that. They don't really love the Bengals. The Cincinnati Bengals mean as much to them as they would do any fan that loves the Bengals. Here's the thing. Is it good Business to pay both those wide receivers top of the market. Obviously Jamar would break the record, but T. Higgins is. While he wouldn't get more than Jamar, Chase would get a lot based on the second tier guys last year he's looking at Brandon Ayuk. He's like getting more than that. So I don't think so. I listen. It's kind of complicated. Like I tag and trade him. I mean, he had 73 catches last year for 10 touchdowns. Brandon Ayuk had like a career year for 75. Yeah, I think there's a lot of parallels here with Brandon Ayuk. And now you've just got 75 million dollars and 30 million a year. I would keep Jamar Chase and I would keep Hendrickson and I would try to use Higgins and buy other players, defensive players. I just, I don't think it's great business doing that. And I'm not anti d Higgins. I like the guy and I understand why Joe wants to keep him. Likes him, wins with him. He's a good player, unique players, tall playmaker, good in the red zone. I don't know, man. I think it's. I don't think it's the best way to build a team. Say, like, what would Bill Walsh do? What would Bill Belichick do? What would the Chiefs do? They would not sign everybody. Question for the back. Can you explain just how hard fucking golf is? Actually, I read that wrong. Can you explain to everybody just how fucking hard golf is? Excuse my language, little kids listening. I got buddies that say baseball is harder. Baseball is extremely different difficult. But if you are a scratch golfer, you are still miles away from being on tour. You're literally supposed to shoot par. I've played since I was 10. I'm 32 now and once reached the six handicap at the peak of my powers, I would say playing on tour, playing in major league baseball are equally stupidly hard. Like it doesn't get, like, on the scale of how hard it doesn't get any harder to be, you could argue one of the hardest things, if not the hardest thing to do in sports, just want the one individual thing is to be a good hitter. It is very, very hard to hit a baseball. Now we're not talking professional, you're just talking pickup, right? Most people could just an average athlete. If you just played some high school sports, I give you a glove, you can catch pop flies. You play catch, you could run the bases. Like you might not be able to hit a ball in a fair way. So like casually golf is Going to be way harder to play on the PGA Tour or to play against the Yankees or the Dodgers. I would put them on equal qualifying. It's hard. What makes golf difficult to compare is like there's not really. There's not pickup baseball. I played golf last week with some people and they were telling me stories about like some of the softball leagues around Arizona because it is so many guys that retire here that played pro baseball and one guy, forget his name but. But had just been released from the Diamondbacks. He was still technically making $8 million a year and had a couple of weeks to kill and just went to this pickup league and hit a ball that broke a guy's face at third base. Not the third baseman, but the runner pick up. You know, beer League softball is not the same as baseball where you and I could just go out and play pebble beach like Rory did. So golf can, it's the one sport that can get so much closer to the pro game than all the other sports because I can literally play the course that Rory and Tiger played. We can, we can do five on five, pick a basketball. But if there aren't any good players, like who cares now if you play, there are nine other, you know, former college players, then yeah, it's really hard and you're going to get schooled. But I think just playing beer league softball and just going out to play golf, golf is harder, but playing pro baseball is extremely difficult. I do stand by that huge amount of interest here in the NFL. This guy is from Australia. Super excited for the NFL to return. It'll be the first time in 27 years I saw LA Broncos beat the Chargers with a late field goal in a preseason game. Wow, good knowledge. Just wanted to comment on your musings about the international exposure we've had NFL here over the 30 years. The super bowl is always on free to air TV non cable television. And psychopaths like myself get up to get up way early in the morning on Monday to watch Red Zone kick off for a few hours before work. Can't wait for next season in the NFL. Breaking out in Australia school, we're glad to have you a part of this, this great game that we call football. Curious on your thoughts on what the 49ers do with Jordan Mason? Is there a scenario where you think they can keep him or is he more likely to be traded along with some picks to a team they need for running back, say somewhere like Dallas? I don't know why they wouldn't just bring him back. I mean what he's going to be. He came out, let me pull up his wiki. So 22, 23, 24. He's just in a contract year. I think he's just, he's going to be on their team. Like he's, he's probably going to be their backup running back. I, I don't think. I wouldn't give him away. I mean, Jordan Mason before he got hurt last year was like leading the league in rushing for four or five weeks. I would keep him around. I think ideally best case scenario for the Niners. McCaffrey's healthy. He looks like Christian McCaffrey. And Kyle for the first time in his life gives him some breathers. And Jordan Mason plays a lot with Corindo, but I would not count on Kyle giving him breathers. Christian, I know that both your Achilles almost fell off and you tore your MCL in a snow game, but we plan on giving you 700 touches this year. That's probably what Kyle's thinking. I've just got done watching the US vs Canada. Once Canada won, I switched to the Phoenix Suns versus the spurs game. It was a five minute break to determine if a simple foul was a flagrant. I think the ratings will switch soon. If you compare all star weekends, it isn't close. I've been a basketball guy my whole life, but what Adam Silver has done is a joke. I think this might be a Malcolm Gladwell type tipping point where the poor leadership allows hockey to overtake basketball. I do think the tipping point has happened just in a vacuum with basketball. The effort, the injuries, it just the consumers, the consumer speaks. Now when I see all like these political shows get canceled, like it's very black and white. You're not getting enough people to watch. People are not watching, so they cancel your show. You know, basketball, it's like the ratings keep diminishing. Less people are watching basketball now than 10 years ago. It's not debatable. I guess that's an objective opinion. But hockey one, it's never been highly rated and it's also down. So I think if we compare the Four nations tournament, like it's kind of an outlier, right? It's like you can't just go, well, golf's popular because a lot of people watch the masters. Well, yeah, 250,000 people watch the Mexico Open. So it's like if everything was the Masters, you'd be in good shape. If everything in hockey was the four nations tournament. Hockey to be big. But it's not like, is anyone going to watch The Kings play the the Las Vegas. What's the Vegas team? The Aces. Is that the WNBA team? It's the Las Vegas. The Knights, you know, so if people don't watch a regular season product, the four nation is pretty unique tournament. So I would say that I think the tipping point is happening with basketball in a vacuum. They have their own issues and they're trying to figure it out. That's why Adam Silver just created an all star game where young guys are playing old guys and it failed miserably. From what I heard and read and listened to, I didn't watch anything, but I was out years ago. Now hockey had the same problem going and they tried something different and it worked. But I think both regular seasons, like no one's watching. Like are more people going to watch the hockey playoffs? That'll be interesting. Hope so. I enjoy it. I've been thinking about putting like $1,000 on a team in the west and $1,000 on a team in the east to win the Stanley Cup. So if you like hockey, hit me up with some teams that I should be betting on. I know he scored the game winning goal, but I do like Connor McDavid. So are they good this year? I know they are solid this year, but can they win it? That'd be cool. If I can get them like 10 to 1, that'd be sweet. Which of the Kelsey brothers were more impactful on their teams over the span of their careers? I believe most people would default to Travis since he is the one that puts up the stats. However, you could argue the best at their perspective position the game has ever seen, albeit being at low positions of value. Do you think they are both first ballot hall of Famers? Yes. Well, we got to learn what the Eagles would look like without Jason Kelsey. They won the Super Bowl. They had a guy that just ran for including the playoffs, like 2,500 yards. And I'm not taking anything away from Jason. He's an elite player but they replaced him pretty easily. Now it's center's a replaceable position, you know. And Travis, like what are they going to look like on offense when he's gone? Maybe they'll be better. He hasn't been the same. You know, Jason went out on top. Jason was still an elite player. Travis no longer is. But Jason retired. They won the Super Bowl. Now you could argue that's because they have Pro Bowlers waiting in the wings. Great job drafting, but just based on the information we had, I would say that Travis is more impactful than Jason NFL is popular here in Columbia. I've been a fan since 95 and recently a fan of you and Colin. Always listen to your podcast question what is the best book to learn the sport in a deep manner? I mean, plays, formations, etc. No clue. Never read a book like that when it comes to football, so I'm the wrong person to ask. I think Belichick's writing a book right now. I would. Whenever he puts that out, I would buy that thing. I think Bill Walsh has some books I'm a bad person to ask on terms of like schematics. I don't know. I've never read a book like that. Okay, last question. Question for the pot. Die hard outsider here. Member of the coffee. I'm also a product of Sacramento. I grew up in Sac and lived here for 10 years. After some time in the Bay Area, my question is, are teams in front offices using AI for scouting, analytics, or anything related to player or game evaluation? I'm an analyst at an environmental consultancy and the AI has been an absolute game changer for me and my work. And I've been curious to the extent in which football teams are tapping into the amazing technology. By the way, what's your favorite golf course in Sacramento? It's a good question. I would say El Macero. It's technically a Davis, but one I played probably by far the most of any course in Northern California. I don't. I don't really love Sacramento golf. You know, Hagen Oaks is probably the one that most people have played the most. Some good golf up toward Tahoe. When I was in high school, we played like Nevada Union. They're up. Like, is it. Would it be Auburn or is that the wrong. Wrong side, kind of. That area, Foothills has some really good golf. Granite Bay Country Club is nice. I played that a couple years ago. As of AI, I would be stunned if. If some of these teams in their analytical department and, you know, kind of the technology department hasn't dabbled in that. But I can't. I can't speak to that. I would imagine we're very, very early on kind of that level of. Of utilizing it toward a scouting perspective. But yeah, you convinced me that there are. I would imagine how he has people already looking at it, 49ers, surely, you know, heart of Silicon Valley. But is every team. I don't know. Yeah, I appreciate everyone listening. Have a great day and we will talk soon. Peace. The volume when it comes to cybersecurity threat, Locker delivers a radically different approach to securing your endpoints. Instead of trying to detect the undetectable. You start by identifying what applications you trust in your environment with ThreatLocker allow listing. 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