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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - MNF Reaction, Penthouse or Outhouse, What's going on with Belichick
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Doug Gottlieb
For more, check out Bose.com the Volum what is going on, everybody? How are we doing on this beautiful Tuesday? Just got done watching the Dallas Cowboys screw up a block punt which led to a game winning touchdown by Jamar Chase, who looking at the box score right now, had a decent game. He had 14 catches for 177 yards and two touchdowns. Jamar's having a good season. So is Burrow. But the Bengals win, go to five and eight. The Cowboys fall to five and eight as well. So pretty, pretty entertaining second half for two five and eight teams. We'll dive into that. Some coaching situations just with the two guys, Zach Taylor and Mike McCarthy. The arguments about Joe Burrow because his team's not winning. I just, I just don't have patience for Belichick to North Carolina. He was on with McAfee. Not only did he not deny it, he basically just acknowledged like this. The conversations have been real. Sirianni we talk about this all the time. Like being a head coach is hard. Not just when crazy stuff happens, but even when you're winning. It's like you're cruising. You've won nine straight games and then everyone finds out your wide receivers might not love your quarterback and you got to put out, put out fires. You need to grab that fire extinguisher, grab the water hose. So yeah, it's just the NFL's tough man. A couple other thoughts on Amazon prime as well as Juan Soto. I want to chime in on that one. He got 15 years, 100 or $150 million a year. He got 750 plus million dollars. So it's good if you can get it. Hit that little white ball, you know, play hardball, kids. And then we'll also do a little mailbag at John Middlekoff. At John Middlekoff is the Instagram. Make sure you slide in those dms. If you want to get involved with our, you know, with the mailbag, we do it two or three times a week for sure. Subscribe to the YouTube page. All of our content is up there as well as if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to the three and out feed. It's a separate feed. You'll never miss a show if you do that. Before we dive into this football game, you got Christmas right around the corner, Hanukkah right around the corner. It's time to give gifts. Giving gifts is hard, especially the older you get. Right. The Christmas no longer really becomes about you it becomes about others you want. If you have little children, if you have older children, if you have parents, if you have a wife, if you have people in your life that you want to take care of, it's like, what do I get them? And I tell you this, get them tickets. My the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time, they have you covered. If you want to go to a game, if you want to go to a concert, if you want to go to a fun event, just download the Game Time app. You can search by venue, you can search by the event. If you want to go to the Notre Dame playoff game, if you want to go to a Packer playoff game, whatever event you want to go to, they got you covered. So here's the thing. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, use the code John for $20 off your first purchase terms apply again, create an account and redeem the code Johan for $20 off down the Game Time app today, last minute tickets, lowest prices guaranteed. You know, it's funny, right around the fourth quarter, you start kind of laying out your angles of what you want to discuss on the game and the reaction for the podcast. And I felt pretty confident. I was like, I think the Cowboys might win this game. And my angle was going to be pretty simply like, listen, they've won three straight games. Jerry mentioned a week or two ago that it's very realistic that McCarthy comes back. It'd be hard to argue that firing McCarthy, like, what are your other options? Especially if you're not going to, like, hire Belichick. Jerry's 80 plus years old. It's easy to just keep him. Tonight was if they would have won. Missing their star guard, their center gets KO'd early in the game. One of their stud defensive young players looks like he rips up his knee. You got a backup quarterback because Dax Hamstring ripped off the bone five weeks ago. I mean, your team's just in complete shambles. Yet win, win Monday Night Football. Block a punt, it feels like you're going to win. Then all of a sudden, some dude that you just elevated a week or two ago touches a ball past the line of scrimmage. And I will say in a situation like that, once you play college football for years, in the meeting that is discussed, it is hammered home in every program in college that when the ball is blocked on a field goal or a kick and it crosses the line of scrimmage, you don't touch it. And because it was 4th and whatever, 28. If a Bengals player picks it up because it's a live ball, obviously you tackle them. But you do not try to be a hero behind the line of scrimmage. All for try to be a hero. Scoop and score. Gaba Touchdown. Cowboys obviously got a little unlucky in the sense that the ball went past the line of scrimmage. But that player, like, that's it, honestly, leaves me speechless. Like, that is Football 101 at the highest level. And to me, that's something that you've learned. Like once you get to college, you know, basic math. So if you're going to go into architecture or engineering, like, you have a basic understanding of numbers now, I'm sure, listen, I'm not an architect or an engineer. I'm sure you learn things. And I went to school at an engineering school, which all those kids spent a lot of time in the library, in the classroom. It's very, very difficult. But they could not have had a chance to pass any classes in college if they would not have passed math classes in high school and had a fundamental understanding of numbers. It's no different in football. Like, you don't get to the NFL without knowing, like several basic rules. And I would say when a punt is blocked and it goes past the line of scrimmage, that is something consistent that you could go around the NFL to any, you know, some of these star wide receivers that maybe have never played special teams and don't really sit in on special teams meetings and if they do check out, maybe some of them might not know the rule. But any defensive back or any backup wide receiver, linebacker, 1 million percent has heard that hundreds of times. Like, that is football 101. And I am very, very quick to be critical of coaches, you know, coordinators, head coaches, that's on the player. Like, that's inexcusable like that just it's. It's like football 101. And it sucks. And to me, it sucks for the Cowboys players. You know, you got McCarthy, I thought, coaching his ass off. You got DL running his ass off. Cooper Rush, who I think a couple years ago I said, what the hell's the difference between him and Dak? Well, it's pretty big. Cooper Rush isn't that great. I give McCarthy a ton of credit for just having this team consistently play this hard and be in a position tonight to win a game with so many of these random players. I mean, his offensive line is a mass unit put together. His quarterback, by every series, you're Like, I don't know if I trust this guy throwing the ball, that losing, you know, one of their star players on defense has to be pretty, I would say, deflating. And then that moment, once that punt situation happens, you just. They could have had 10 timeouts. They could have had an unlimited amount of timeouts. It felt like Cowboys were not going to tie that game up. Now, some people I saw said that Chase should have hit the ground at like the five yard line. Yeah, it's easy to say you're running what a season that guy's having, but that is one of those for the Cowboys. Listen, even if they win the night and they go to 6 and 7, it's not like they're making the playoffs, but they could have one of those years where you end up going eight and nine and you go, that's a hell of a year for McCarthy. And yeah, the Cowboys bring them back. They give him a two year contract extension. And honestly, this might not change that because you look around, I get asked questions all the time, like, should the Bears be interested in McCarthy? If McCarthy's available, should the Giants give him a call? Because he's good with quarterbacks, he's good with the offense, and his team's still playing really, really hard. And I think it's pretty well established, like, this kind of falls on Jerry's feet as the general manager more than it does Mike. And listen, we can argue till we're blue in the face how good Dak is, how good he's not where he ranks. But there's clearly. I mean, think about the gap between him and Cooper Rush. Think about the gap then between Cooper Rush and Trey Lance. I mean, I'm watching Cooper Rush and going, yeah, he has some moments, like some series. Then you watch other series. You're like, what was that? But that's a backup quarterback who makes a couple million dollars and still had him in a position to win. Now, the Bengals defense, here's the other thing. There are some arguments that are just fun sports arguments and they're real sports arguments. Right. Like, Dak Prescott has been one of the more polarizing players his entire career. And I think both sides of the argument have always been felt pretty good about their position. Right. How good is he? He's better than you think. He's actually overrated. Cousins fell into this forever when I was in the bay with Derek Carr, with the Raiders. He has fallen into that category. You know, you get guys like, I think Kyler Murray's in that now. Purdy's been in and out of it like these are real arguments that people aren't. You don't need to just make up aside right to have an argument. If you argue anything other than Joe Burrow's not one of the best players in the NFL and I'm a big believer of wins and losses. Usually if your quarterback is good over the course of several years you're going to win a lot more games, you're going to lose if you have a good quarterback. It's inevitable. It's basically impossible to not be a competitive team if you have a high end quarterback. And over the course of Burrow's career, the Bengals have been awesome. They made it to a Super bowl, they went to an AFC championship game, they've been really, really good. Right? No one would dispute that. But this year when I, when it looked like they're four and eight and the Cowboys blocked the punt and for a split second you're like they're going to lose and go to 4 and 9, it just simply would not have been on him. It doesn't mean he hasn't made bad plays in certain games. He threw a bad pass early in the game over Chase's head on an out route. He had a pretty, I would say a below average throw that led to an interception that air mail Chase. But I looked during the game at some of their defensive stats. I mean they are putrid. I mean on the most basic level they give up 28.3 points per game which is 31st in the NFL. And then I looked at Burrow, some of his stats when he's thrown three or more touchdowns. Obviously the two Ravens games he threw nine touchdowns, four in one game and five in another and they lost both games. He has had three other games where he's thrown three touchdowns and they've lost. He now, you know, I guess with that third touchdown, he's got 33 touchdowns in 13 games. Like he's on pace for a 40 plus touchdown season. And Aikman mentioned it when he said are you playing the best football of your life? And Burrow looked at him and said, yeah, by far. Peyton Manning called him, said he's having an MVP season, his team is just letting him down. And this is the weird thing that we get into Zach Taylor because you watch Joe Burrow, you go, he really can do it all. He is an elite pocket quarterback, right? An elite pocket quarterback like that. When you think of Joe Burrow, that's where he thrives, in the pocket. But then his athletic ability, while it's not, you know, Jalen Hurts or Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson. He is a pretty damn good athlete and his throwing on the move is exceptional. He had. It's one thing to throw on to your throwing side right outside the pocket. If you're right handed, quarterback throw right. It's another thing to be able to run back left and throw across his body, which he had to throw tonight. And even Aikman's like, damn, that was a dime. And then they talked about how he wears the knee brace and Troy's like, when I tried to wear the knee brace, it really slowed me down. You watched Joe Burrow, you can't even tell the difference. Obviously his cohesion with Jamar Chase is just, it's elite and it's been like that since lsu. But this gets to Zach Taylor, who, you know, I think is a pretty polarizing coach. And you know, being a head coach is about more than just coaching the offense. Even when you're the offensive coordinator. It's where McVeigh and Kyle have gotten a lot of credit. They're the offensive coordinator, but their defenses on most of their teams have been good. This defense is atrocious. Now I would also say with the Bengals, you know, Mike Brown, the owner, like Jerry Jones is essentially the GM and him and Duke Tobin are picking all the players. Not like Zach Taylor has any pull that way. So it's not his fault. The defense which has let guys walk in recent years, now part of that is Burrows contract, but is not. It was just bad. I mean they, they have mainly been atrocious. Hell, I mean they were in position where they were going to lose to the Cowboys tonight and potentially give up easily. I mean, if they would have scored on that block punt, maybe 27 points to Cooper Rush, that's not good. And you know, Lou Amarumo I think had mentioned tonight on the broadcast, you know, in the production meetings, like, listen, we're just trying to get like one more stop. We're not trying to be one of the best defenses. We're just trying to get off the field one more time than we've been getting off. I mean, it's basically admitting like we're not that good. Even though they have, I mean, easily one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Hilton's actually kind of like him makes some plays but also gives up some big plays. But you just. The argument with Joe Burrow, like there is no argument to be had if, you know, like if you watch football and you watch him play and your takeaway isn't yeah, it's one of the best players, I don't know currently in the NFL. That guy's a stud. I'd want that guy on my team immediately. I. We probably don't have much in common when we're watching football and this Bengals team clearly is going nowhere. And I think there's going to be question marks with the coach. I think here's the problem though is their coach is really good with the quarterback. I mean they mentioned this tonight and sometimes you forget like Zach Taylor was even there the year before Joe Burrow came. So Joe Burrow's entire career has been under his watch with him calling the place. And he's pretty good at it right now. I know he drives people crazy, specifically some game time situations. And obviously this team has underachieved this year. But offensively they've been pretty elite. And if you've watched Hard Knocks, Tomlin was talking about like Chase Brown's a really kind of dynamic player. He's definitely really good in the passing game. So you got Chase, you got Higgins. I think they're just pretty good offensively. Gosecki made a couple of plays, but what separates them is Burrow's ability to just basically dominate in every aspect of the passing game, short game, timing, elite intermediate game. I mean how many times did he had slants or plays over the middle of the night that are just like Jesus. And obviously his touch on deeper breaking routes is just top notch. I mean that's what just a high end, elite all pro player looks like in some years because it is the ultimate team game. This is not basketball. If Joe Burrow was a basketball player, his team would be in the playoffs. He would will his team to 45 wins no matter how shitty everyone else was around him. Right in baseball he would put up all star elite numbers and no one even win or losing has nothing to do with one individual. But in football, like you do need help. And no matter if you have the best season of your career as a quarterback and you throw 45 touchdowns, if your defense is giving up 30 points a game, I don't give a shit what you're doing. There's. You're going to lose a lot of games. Like I said, they lost two Ravens games where he threw a total of nine touchdowns. He threw nine touchdowns, Chase had five of them. They lost them both. That's pretty embarrassing. And in one of them they had double digit leads multiple times in the fourth quarter. So it's just not on Joe Burrow and it's really not on their offense for the most part because it feels like they have come to play and sometimes just one of those years, like the Cowboys, like kind of understandable roster wasn't that great and then a million injuries and it's just kind of fallen out and obviously the play tonight probably cost them the game. The Bengals, I mean say start to finish, their defense has been atrocious and like legitimately, statistically one of the worst defense in the league. I looked at some of their yards, they're giving up per passing, per game. Passing was like 27th, 28th. Every defensive category, it's like near the bottom, near the bottom, second to last. You can't function like that. You don't need to be the Ravens of last year, like one across the board, but you can't be right next to like the Panthers and have a chance to win football games. So very entertaining second half. And yeah, it's a, that's a killer loss for the Cowboys. Not that it would have, like the overall outcome to the season wouldn't have changed much, but that's got to hurt. I was thinking about today, like one thing that's cool about once we start doing the penthouse and the outhouse is the Porta Potty Panthers have become not just like a real team, like they're pretty good, they're very watchable. I said this on yesterday's podcast. If you watch the Titans versus the Jags, you're a sicko. And you're the type of sicko that I like because you either had money on it or you just, you just enjoy the suck. Because that game was atrocious. Those two teams suck. If you are a Raider fan and you consistently watch your team every week, hat tip to you because that is a God awful football team. If you're a Giants fan and you spend your Sundays for three plus hours watching Brian Dabal and Drew Lock. Drew Lock. I heard Michael Lombardi say today that he had 49 pass attempts. You just more power to you. I just don't have much energy. Honestly, when these two teams play each other now, like I don't even watch these games. None of nothing that happened in that Jags Titans game matters at all to anybody beside maybe a Titans or Jags fan or if you work for the team. But I got to give the Panthers credit because we named them the Porta Potty Panthers. They were the worst team we'd ever seen. And then Bryce Young came back and they have just been really good. I mean if you watch them against the Eagles and You watch them against the Chiefs, it was impressive. I mean, obviously it's been well documented. They were a drop pass away from winning the game. But I think if you watch Bryce Young and I know a lot of Panther fans have been hitting me up, like, what do you think? What do you think? I would say this game and the Chiefs game, but specifically this game. The Eagles clearly have a lot of elite talent near the line of scrimmage and in their front seven. Guys that can run, guys that can move, and his constant ability to make guys miss, kind of break a little arm, tackle in the backfield, keep a play alive and be a playmaker and get rid of the ball and complete passes was really, really impressive because when he was early on playing, it was like you couldn't even function with the kid. It was. It was sad. As someone that, you know, I was a Saban Bama guy. I watched a lot of them over the last decade and I loved Bryce Young as a player. And that guy that we had witnessed last year and then even early on this year was not. There wasn't any parallels to the guy we witnessed at Bama. Obviously, the body language, the confidence, it was all gone. And this guy these last three or four weeks, it looks like the Alabama guy. It looks like. I don't want to say like a future high end player, but it's just. It's a completely different human. So I don't feel bad about writing them off because one, he still is small, but he's just a solid football player now. He was. He wasn't just not a good football player. He was. He looked like a minor league guy. He looked like he should go to the usfl. So they're no longer the Porta Potty Panthers. They're just. There's a real NFL team. I think when we look at the high end of the league, like I said it from the beginning, the Chiefs were just going nowhere. They were on scholarship and they still are there because we can nitpick and argue till we're blue in the face. They've won nine straight AFC titles and they've won a million games on the last possession. And they've. I think I read or saw a headline that they've. They're the first team in NFL history to have like three walk off kicks with three different kickers in the same season. Listen, if you got home field, I don't give a shit how average their offense is. I don't care how depleted their defense is with injuries. Good luck beating them at Arrowhead now, it might happen, probably will happen, but you would probably have to be somewhat of a lunatic to bet against them until it happens. I think when you look around the AFC like, listen, the Bills have one of the most special quarterbacks we've ever seen. I would imagine if you're in a fantasy league and you have him, that's a Pretty good day. Three passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns, and 82 yards rushing. Doesn't get much better than that. If you are a Bills fan, it can't be much more entertaining than watch this player. But that was to come out so sold. Listen, I totally understand having like a little bit of a letdown, but then for them to flip the switch and them not being able to figure it out, that hurts. And you know, every time I want to be like, bill, super bowl, something like that happens. You know, I don't know. And ultimately they're going to probably have to go on the road, you know, to win us to get to the super bowl. And it's got to go through Arrowhead and almost slay the beast. And listen, when I was a kid, Steve Young did it against the Dallas Cowboys. It is doable, but it is very, very difficult. I'm tempted to throw Pittsburgh. I was telling a buddy today in the league, like, actually pretty impressed with Russell Wilson. We know we can throw the go route in the little lollipop. He made a couple passes in that game where you're like, damn, you know, kind of sidearm touchdown to Friar Muth. I think a touchdown was to Austin. I didn't have the sound on. It was. He made two kind of similar touchdown passes in the red area that were just like, ah, Russell's kind of vibing right now. And listen, I. It's. It's a big game this weekend. We got the Eagles, you know, kind of got some weird shit going on the Steelers. That Hard knocks is going to be fantastic with Tomlin just getting the boys fired up in the defensive meeting. Whoever win that, whoever wins that game, like, if the Eagles win that game, with everything going on with A.J. brown and Jalen, that's an impressive win. If the Steelers go in there and win, it's like, damn this, maybe they are just a real contender. Obviously they're going to the playoffs. I mean, they're. They're like a win away from being a borderline. I mean, the Ravens can't really afford to drop a game. They could easily win the division, get a home game. Hell, potentially two home games. I'm tempted to buy in. You go to Philly you win that game, you might have wrote me in. This might be a three horse race especially. I guess I don't want to totally count out the Ravens yet, but something's just been off with them all season long. And then to me, that Lions win and I had some people come at me like, oh, the packers had injuries too. They literally were missing their entire defensive line. They signed Jamal Adams off the couch and immediately played him. Jamal Adams, like, come on, there's a different level now. Their offense was healthy for the most part. I mean, they actually were missing their left tackle in that game. But they got a huge game this week. We got Bills, Lions, Steelers, Eagles. That's the best part, like about down the stretch is a lot of these teams are playing each other. So I think it's going to really crystallize once we, you know, for the most part, at least in the afc. I think the Chiefs, I don't want to say cemented as the one, but we feel pretty confident that's where they're going to be. So the nfc, I mean, all of a sudden the Eagles win. What if the Lions were to lose and Minnesota loses a game? All of a sudden it's like, damn, the Eagles are the one seed. What if the Eagles lose and the Lions lose and Minnesota wins? They're the one seed. So we got a very, very fluid situation in the nfc. One thing we know is the Kirk Cousins and the Falcons are in shambles and Tampa, you know, is technically winning that division, but they play the Chargers, they lose that game, Atlanta wins a game. It could flip flop because they beat him twice. So they're going to have the tiebreaker there. But it's, it's getting fun. The NFL season is rolling along and the contenders are separating from the pack. The one thing that hasn't changed this season, DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sportsbook partner of the NFL. And it's the number one place to bet touchdowns. Long bombs, fades to the end zone, big runs, you name it. We do not care how you get them. We just want to Bet touchdowns at DraftKings, and it's the best place to do it. Ready to place your first bet? Try betting on something simple like a player scoring a Touchdown. Go to DraftKings Sportsbook app and make your first pick. Here's a reason for new customers to do a touchdown dance on their own. 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Justin Jefferson
Good people, what's up? It's Questo, Questlove and Team supreme and I have been working hard to bring you some incredible episodes of Questlove supreme with guests you definitely don't want to miss. Now, one of the things I love about this Questlove supreme podcast is we got something for everybody, every type of music lover. We enjoy speaking to the people who were the face of some movements and some people you've seen on stage or TV or magazine covers. But we also love speaking to the folks who are making it happen behind the scenes and they paved the way for those that followed, you know, keystones to the culture. This season we've had some amazing one on one conversations like Unpay Pill, chatting up with hitmaker Sam Holland, Sugar Steve chatting with the legend Nick Low. And I've had pleasures of doing one on one conversations with Willow, Sonata, Maitreya, Kathleen Hanna and the rza. These are conversations you won't hear anywhere else. So make sure you go back and you check those episodes out. All right? Listen to Questlove supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, let's dive into some stories around around the football world. Let's start with Bill Belichick who went on with McAfee and addressed the elephant in the room, his potential coaching at the University of North Carolina. And I think a couple things are clearly happening right? One, I think Belichick is acknowledging that there is no guarantee that he's going to be a coach in the NFL. He's seen over the last couple of years. A lot of these teams basically lean into a committee. Their coach, their gm, their president. It's like a board of directors. They all work together. That is not the NFL. Bill Belichick came up in, and then the one that he thrived in, it was a dictatorship. When he works for parcels, and then when he became a head coach, it was one guy who made the decisions. Now ultimately, one person has to make the decisions. It's why all these organizations that have become like a board of directors feel like they're struggling because they got too many cooks in the kitchen. And Bill Belichick has to go, well, one, the jets job is off limits. He's would never take it. They would never hire him. The Bears job, Kevin Warren would never even acknowledge Bill Belichick's existence. The Jags job, if you're Bill, you're like, do I want to coach this $200 million quarterback who might be a scrub? And then you go, depending on the other openings, like, what if they don't even call me? What if they don't even interview me? I mean, last year with all the openings, I only had one interview, so it might not happen. And God put me on this earth to coach football. It's been fun watching him on McAfee and watching him do some podcasts and TV hits and talk some shit. That has been cool. It has been very refreshing. But he should coach football. Why? Because that is his great talent. And at 72, 73 years old, like, he can't afford to sit out multiple years and have this thing pass him by. So this story about North Carolina, which he not only acknowledged, I would say he did not run away from it at all. And obviously, the changing landscape of nil, the transfer portal, I would say, feeds in to a guy like him, who has a professional background of dealing with contract negotiations, of cutting players, of telling a guy, you're not welcome anymore, a free agency. Like, he's comfortable in that environment, an environment that a lot of these college coaches who are used to, basically, I'm the grand poo ball, and once I sign you on my team, you're kind of stuck here and you can never leave. They're uncomfortable with that. It's why they complain about it nonstop. Now, you could argue there are no rules or regulations. It's kind of a fucked up system right now, and there's some truth to that. But, like, the NFL is very comfortable with, like, yeah, this guy can be a free agent. We got to make a decision on this guy's contract. Like, that's what Bill Belichick's been doing for 50 years. And I think the North Carolina job. What are the questions you think he's asking? What are my financial resources? How much nil money are we going to have? And the other thing he mentioned with McAfee is like, if I were to do this, if. If he said that a couple times, we would be a, you know, a breeding ground for the NFL. And if you play for me, I'm getting you ready for that, because I know that better than anyone in the collegiate world. I know how to get you ready to be a professional football player. If I was a guy, a high school recruit or a transfer portal guy, and I had aspirations to play in the NFL, and Bill Belichick was a head coach in the NFL, there is not a coach that I would rather play for now would not be easy. But playing for Kirby Smart is not easy. Playing for Nick Saban was not easy. Playing for good coaches is never going to be easy. But no one would have a better understanding of what it takes to be a good football player at the next level than this guy. So I completely understand why North Carolina is all in on him. And I think the other elephant in the room is now he didn't talk about this. There have been reports on the Interweb about this. Colin mentioned this when I went on the podcast with him yesterday. People in the league believe this is part of this interest is to get North Carolina to essentially name his son Steve Belichick, who's currently the defensive coordinator at Washington, as the coach in waiting. And I think the natural reaction, if you just go on like, the Internet, everyone's like, oh, this is so unfair, this bullshit nepotism. It's like, here's my thing. And listen, I'm not in a position like Bill Belichick or LeBron James, where I have unlimited leverage, and I can do whatever I want. But I would also acknowledge part of working your whole life to be the best at what you do is to gain leverage, to then not have to answer to anyone and then also not have to do what everyone thinks you should do. You get to do whatever the hell you want to do. And my perception or my perspective on the LeBron James situation, I think is probably different than most because my dad's dead. And do you know what I would do to, like, spend some time with him? I Actually think like, listen, whether the guy should be there or not, of course he's not an NBA player, we all understand that. But do I blame LeBron James for wanting to spend time with his son and forcing the Lakers, where he has been yielding power for almost two decades? No, I completely understand it. What's the point of being the best, outworking everybody and lapping people for decades and then not using that power? That's the whole point of business. You don't get leverage that often. And when you do, you use it. And guess what happens to everyone that doesn't have it? They get jealous and they get pissed off. Why? Because the majority of people, the overwhelming majority of people not only don't have it, they never will get it. So Bill Belichick, if he is going to be very interested in this situation, and part of it is Steve Belichick, well, that's his leverage. Now you couldn't also acknowledge or argue that if you're Steve Belichick or Bronnie James, them doing this stuff makes life harder for you. And there's definitely some truth to that, right? Like having LeBron James tell the Lakers, well, he's not going to travel on road games, which. Listen, has Bronny James ever been on a commercial air flight? My guess would be probably not. And if he has, I'd put that number over under like five and a half times. Ever walking into a normal airport, not a private jet hangar. So you think he's going to fly with the pores and the G League? Come on, you know, you think Belichick is just going to take the North Carolina job without some insane stipulations? This is a guy with $100 million in the bank and six Super bowl rings. Of course he's going to have some crazy ass. That's the whole point of being in a position like Bill Belichick. And if that one of those ass is one my son is coaching with me, which they would have no problem with. I mean, any team hiring Bill Belichick, I'm sure he's going to hire Steve. But saying that my coach or Steve is going to be the coach in waiting, that's one of them. Like I understand it. Like, like who knows, I might do the same thing if I was a 72 year old guy and had a 32 year old son who I wanted to put in the best position possible. Isn't that why I work so hard the last 50, 60 years, if I'm Bill Belichick is basically to do whatever I want. That's business. You work your whole life to get into a position where you answer to nobody. And if you do have to answer to someone, you have so much leverage that that person, while they might be signing your checks or technically your boss, you're in control of what you're telling them to do. And that's the leverage Bill Belichick would have in this situation. So if that is ultimately how this plays out and he gets the North Carolina job and that stipulation is in there, everyone will freak out. And my reaction would be, well, yeah, it's probably a huge reason why he took the job. You know, part of, we talk about this all the time, being a coordinator, being a position coach, how there's just not as much on your plate, right? If being a position coach is really hard, if you're an offensive line coach or defensive line coach, you have a unit of 7, 8, 10 guys, bunch of different personalities. You don't control who's in that room. When guys get injured and the GM and the head coach trade a guy, sign a guy. Like, you just have to coach them. That's your job. You just coach who's ever in that room. And then once you become a coordinator, you're entrusted with calling the plays, with running the room, running the unit. So a lot more is on your plate. But still, like when anything happens, someone gets in trouble, there's contract disputes or negotiations. That's not your problem. Your job is just to design plays and coach a practice and get the game plan ready on a weekly basis. And then you become a head coach and everything good and bad is on your table 24, 7, 365. Think about this. The Eagles just tied a franchise record for nine straight wins. You win nine games in the NFL, you are having a fantastic season. It's borderline, I would say. There's never been a nine game winning streak in NFL history where a team didn't finish. I'd be shocked if they finished any lower than like the two seed. And the Eagles have, after starting two and two and looking weird, have had a fantastic season. I mean Saquon Barkley looks like he's headed to shatter records, right? There's a potential. If I think I saw today, if he runs for 483 yards, he will break the record for all time yards in a season, which is really impressive, which is not good for Joe Shane and the Giants. But part of being a head coach is it's easy to go, well, hey, shit's going to hit the fan. I got to, I Got to learn to handle it. Star player gets a dui. Star player shatters his leg. There's a fight in your locker room after a two game losing streak. Your coaches, maybe two assistant coaches hate each other. Maybe one of your assistant coaches and the assistant GM get into a screaming match in the hallway. I mean, who knows? We're talking big egos, big money shit happening left and right. It's. It's football. It's a contentious environment. But what about when you're having a lot of success and you're winning games and your star players are complaining? And that's what happened to Sirianni. You got A.J. brown giving, I would say, somewhat of a bizarre press conference. You got devonte Smith also saying essentially like, yeah, we're just off. Something is off. The rhythm is not there. These are two guys who are not in a contract here who, their stats ultimately don't impact their money at all. Both of them. AJ Brown's now on his second contract extension with the Eagles. Devontae Smith just got extended this offseason. Both of them make a boatload of money and their team is literally thriving. The game against the Panthers was a little weird, but it was a trap game. They just kicked the shit out of Baltimore. But their passing game, and here's the thing, Jalen hurts isn't Peyton Manning or Josh Allen or Mahomes or Lamar. Like, as a passer, he's flawed. He can make great plays, but I would not call him a consistent rhythm passer. And you watch them play and I mean, he struggled to throw for 125 yards. I mean, he barely eclipsed 100 yards. And receivers, whether you're winning or whether you're losing, it doesn't really matter. They all kind of are the same and they want the ball and they want their targets. And now Sirianni, let's face it, his team is going into a massive game with the Steelers. They should be riding high now. The elephant in the room is like, I got to get these guys all on the same page, specifically my wide receivers. And listen, I don't know if it's just we're reading too much into it and basically like our passing games off, it needs to be better for us to win the whole thing. Or if it's simple, like I need more targets than what I just got, or Jalen's got to pick up a shit, or maybe there's some jealousy of Saquon, who has become this megastar. He's in the MVP conversation and this guy just shows up and we've been the stars here before this. Like we were the guys carrying the offense, regardless what it is. This is why being a head coach is so hard. Because obviously when your team sucks, when you're the New York Giants or you're the Jacksonville Jags and just it's a miserable experience. And trying to keep people in your coaches, your players, is a difficult job requirement. Just because you're winning doesn't mean it's easy. And in a place like Philly, you could argue it's harder because there are so many people watching. Everyone's nitpicking every single place. Like, God, you're just, you know, drop pass away from losing that game to the Carolina, even though Carolina has been playing really well, almost beat the Chiefs. So it's not like, yeah, they're just almost lost this 3 and 19. Well, they're not your typical 3 and 19. They're playing pretty well. But if they would have lost that game at home, even though it was a trap game right before Baltimore and Pittsburgh, everyone would have freaked. And now your wide receivers are kind of acting weird and it's hard. I mean, this is, this is why these head coaches make so much money, because you're dealing with huge personalities, huge egos, guys making more money than you guys that you need to win all the big games coming up, not just this weekend, but then in January and ideally in the Super Bowl. So good luck to Sirianni fixing this problem because right now it feels like the receivers aren't too, too happy with their quarterback. I saw that. This is good news for the NFL that the Amazon prime game, which is not shocking between the Lions and the packers, broke a record highest rated streaming game so far of this. I don't even want to call it an experiment of this current package. Since Amazon has been in business with the NFL. They almost got 18 million people watching this and you just saw the NBA whatever six months ago, maybe less than that. Sign this massive television deal and their ratings are plummeting by the year. Less and less people are watching professional basketball and the NFL is increasing and everyone talks shit like the sport's never been softer, it's never been a worse product. Yet more and more people are watching. So the streaming situation, if you put, you know, and listen, streaming has dabbled in these other sports, right? Apple dabbled on Friday night baseball. You could take an incredible matchup, Dodgers and Yankees, and put them on Amazon Prime. Or take the best two basketball teams, right? The Bucks versus the Celtics, right? The warriors versus LeBron and the Lakers, I know they're not the best teams, but you know what I mean, big brands, a regular season game. I think you would struggle to get a couple million people that would stream it. And when you're talking about these type numbers, the potential for the NFL's next television deal, you just saw the NBA who was struggling to keep people engaged with their product, triple, maybe not triple, but more than double their previous deal. Imagine what the NFL is about to do because it's one thing on broadcast network, right? CBS, Fox, NBC doing well, you start doing 17 to 20 million people watching these games. Wait till Christmas happens. What do you think those numbers are going to be on Christmas day? They are going to be huge. So you have the power that you know on television, which they've always had, and now you have the streaming power. This thing is only the beginning. And I'm telling you, you could see this coming from a mile away. The shift is about to happen. My guess is this next television package has a huge Netflix presence. And maybe that is the Netflix Sunday morning international game. Maybe instead of cbs, Fox, like get all the games on Sunday, the morning in the afternoon window. Maybe Netflix gets two games, you know, a 10am West coast kickoff and a 1pm West coast kickoff. Maybe they get two games each and they pay, I don't know, $5 billion a year for that, for those two games. Whatever that. I'm just throwing out the number. But my point is these are type numbers and this is the type ability to move the needle that is going to be extremely lucrative for the business. And their business includes a revenue split between the players and the teams. So you talk about salaries going up for the players, you talk about salaries only going up for coaches. You talk about valuations going up for teams, a rising tide. Lift all boats. And when you see these numbers, 17 million people streamed a sporting event. Football is the only thing that could sniff, I would say five plus million. And the NFL is the only thing. I'm not talking like a pay per viewed event. I'm talking sports. Hockey, basketball, baseball, golf, you name it is this thing. And the NFL is unlike anything right now in this country when it comes to, when it comes to interest. And listen, it was a great matchup, the packers versus the Lions. But there's a reason that the Thursday night package has gotten better games. Because they want Amazon, obviously, Netflix. Now with Christmas, they want them more involved. Why? Because they got the most money. Netflix and Amazon have more money than these other TV conglomerates. So when you see this new television Deal. Everyone's bitching and moaning about streaming. Buckle up, because it's only the beginning. And if you told me that within six, seven years streaming is the only option to watch the NFL, I don't think that's inconceivable. I've talked about this before, the radio situation. I think there are major radio stations where I come from in the Bay Area in Northern California with knbr, which is one of the biggest sports stations in the history of radio. If you told me in five years it doesn't exist, I think it's on the table. So we're seeing the cable bundle just get destroyed exponentially, week by week, year by year. So if you don't think by 2030 or 29, when this new television deal is on the table, that it's streaming only, you would be nuts. You would not be living in the same reality that I'm living in. And part of it is my business is very streaming oriented. And having been more on terrestrial and traditional mediums and made the transition, I see the way everything's flowing and the growth that I don't. There's just no stopping it. And when you talk about this situation and the people they're in business with, the Amazons, the Netflix, like you might want to Google their market caps, you might want to look at who they're competing against and buckle up. Because if you're complaining about paying for streaming services now to watch the NFL, it's not going to slow down. And last but not least, we didn't talk about this on Sunday night was Juan Soto, who got a 15 year contract for over $750 million. And my first reaction, I would imagine, like most human beings, was, oh my God, that's, that is insane. Because that number is insane there. Think who you would do a 15 year contract with in life. There aren't many business people. Business partnerships you would do 15 year deals with, there just aren't, I would say your children. You don't really get to sign up for a partnership with them. They're just your children for life. Obviously, marriages in theory are lifelong, but 50% of them don't work. A 15 year business deal is borderline unprecedented. And on the surface, I listen, it's insane. It's not good business. I think we all acknowledge that signing a baseball player at 26 years old to a 15 year contract is crazy. Now, there are stipulations. After five years he can opt out, but they can also opt in if they give him a raise at like $4 million per year. Going from $51 million a year to $55 million a year. It's not about the nitty gritty of the contract, because I would say more than likely at 30 years old, he opts into a 400, $500 million contract and. Or the. Or the Mets just, you know, give him the boost. But regardless, most people think this is crazy. And I would say this. Steve Cohen, who bought the Mets, who? Axelrod. If you watch Billions, basically portrayed in that show, I googled it today, and so I could be off a billion or two, is worth well over $20 billion. He's also 68 years old. So if you're him, and this is a little bit of the Belichick thing, and you've worked your whole life, and in the show Billions, there was a famous line that I will never forget where Ax says, what's the point of having FU money if you never say f you? And I think that sums up the situation. You've made all this money. You've been a killer on Wall street for decades. You finally get the Mets, your team's actually pretty good, and you're going head to head with the Yankees over this guy. And if you are going to argue and because they were willing to kind of get pretty close to the number, why do I care what 35 to 40 looks like? Hell, I might not even be alive in 10 years. If you've seen Steve Cohen, I wouldn't say he's actually the pillar of health when you see his body type. But like, I think sometimes these deals I see with Maria, who's now, like, involved in luxury real estate, and she's showing these homes, you know, a mile away from where we live In Arizona, for 20 to 30 million dollars. You know, one thing she says that never comes up is interest rates. She hasn't heard the word interest rate yet. That she's worked with this new brokerage for over a couple months. You know why? Because those people. If you're buying a $28 million home in 2024, as crazy as it sounds, you're paying cash. And when you see Steve Cohen pay 750 million, it's not upfront. This isn't an NFL contract. Right. You pay as you go. You go, yeah, I'll give the guy a $75 million signing bonus, and we'll figure it out as we go, because I know how to make money. Is this contract great business? Of course, not long term, but in the short term, which is all I care about, given that I'm 6869 years old. I've worked my entire life to accumulate all this money. I don't give a shit. And I want to steal him away from the New York Yankees, which I did. So is this deal going to age? Well, you would say probably not because I'm not exactly Jason Stark or Peter Gammons here, but this isn't the athlete of Shohei Otani. Again, I don't have his defensive metrics, but watching the playoffs, I don't think he's a great defensive player. He's an all time great hitter. He's like Ted Williams, right? He's just, he's just, he's Tony Gwyn with Pop. With Pop. He's an elite hitter, but seems pretty nuts. But if I was worth $21 billion and I really wanted something, you know what I would do? I would probably do some pretty nutty things because I remember reading something one time that summed up what it was like to be a billionaire. And they said, imagine everything in life is free. So if you're Steve Cohen, you're like $750 million to sign this player. It doesn't change your life, it doesn't change your business, it doesn't change your outlook of your own franchise one iota. And if some of these other sports, like basketball did not have a true cap, if football did not as well, you would see more of this type stuff happening. Now I think big picture for the sport is this healthy. Probably not, right? I don't think it is. I don't have a solution like you shouldn't cap wages and stuff, but how many teams realistically could even think about doing this? Three or four? And thank God the Dodgers didn't get him because if he went to the Dodgers we might as well just shut down the sport. But I think it's cool and I'm glad Steve Cohen doesn't give a shit about the difference of $700 million and $750 million. It makes it very entertaining.
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Martha Stewart
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Narrator
Martha Stewart has been a household name for over four decades and still isn't done. Join iHeartMedia chairman and CEO Bob Pittman for a special episode of the hit podcast Math and Stories from the Frontiers of Marketing as he interviews this icon in front of a live audience to celebrate her 100th book, Martha the Cookbook. 100 favorite recipes with Lessons and Stories from My Kitchen.
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Doug Gottlieb
Did you ever think you were going.
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Martha Stewart
To wind up writing 100 books?
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. You did? Yeah. It's just a minor goal.
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Narrator
This intimate and wide ranging conversation between friends covers the pivotal decisions in Martha's career, the philosophy that has guided her, and the source of so much of her creative inspiration.
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Doug Gottlieb
They actually looked at the July issue that I had prototyped and they said, this is fabulous. What would you do next July? And I said, well, living is a limitless subject matter.
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Narrator
Listen to math and magic on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Years Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports, and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Martha Stewart
The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers.
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Questlove
So that's why we created the Big Take from Bloomberg Podcasts to give you the context you need to make sense of it all.
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Martha Stewart
Every day in just 15 minutes, we dive into one global business story that matters.
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Questlove
You'll hear from Bloomberg journalists like Matt Levine.
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Jon Stewart
A lot of this Meme stock stuff.
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Doug Gottlieb
Is, I think, embarrassing to the sec.
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Questlove
Amanda Mull, who writes our Business Week Buying Power column.
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Narrator
Very few companies who go viral are.
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Doug Gottlieb
Like, totally prepared for what that means.
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Questlove
And Zoe Tillman, senior legal reporter, Courts are not supposed to decide a law. Courts are not really supposed to play a big role in choosing our elected leaders. It's for the voters to decide.
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Martha Stewart
Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
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Justin Jefferson
Good people, what's up? It's Questo Questlove and Team supreme and I have been working hard to bring you some incredible episodes of Questlove supreme with guests you definitely don't want to miss. Now, one of the things I love about this Questlove supreme podcast is we got something for everybody. Every type of music lover. We enjoy speaking to the people who are the face of some movements and some people you've seen on stage or TV or magazine covers. But we also love speaking to the folks who are making it happen behind the scenes and they paved the way for those that followed, you know, keystones to the culture. This season we've had some amazing one on one conversation like Unpay Pill chatting up with hitmaker Sam Holland, Sugar Steve chatting with the legend Nick Lowe. And I've had pleasures in doing one on one conversations with Willow Sonata, Maitreya, Kathleen Hanna and the rza. These are conversations you won't hear anywhere else. So make sure you go back and you check those episodes out. All right? Listen to Questlove supreme on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Doug Gottlieb
Okay, let's do a little Middle Cough Mailbag at John Middle Cough is the Instagram Fire in those dms. Get your questions answered here on the show at John Middle Cough Instagram Fire in those dms. If the Seahawks online plays like it has been, which has been better since we got our right tackle back and Gino takes what the offense gives him. The defense under Mike has been great. Do you think the Seahawks could make it to the super bowl, which would mean beating a Detroit or Philly? Most likely. I think we're going to learn a lot about the Seattle Seahawks these next two weeks. They get Green Bay and they get Minnesota at home. If they win one of those two games, I think you would have to take them very seriously as a team that's going to win a playoff game because they're going to host one and they're going to play one of those teams. So if they were to beat Minnesota, I guess Green Bay has four losses, Minnesota only has two. So I mean, if they were to beat Green Bay, you'd say, well, they get Green Bay again, that would be the 6, 3 matchup, more than likely if you assume Minnesota or potentially Detroit is the five. And we know Atlanta or Tampa is going to be the four. So that Minnesota team would probably play, you know, Tampa, though Tampa plays the Chargers this week and Atlanta played the Giants. I have to relook at the schedule, but I think Seattle could definitely win a playoff game, which is a massive, massive achievement for a franchise that just hasn't been that good. Right. I mean, they made the playoffs a couple years ago and then they got trounced in the first round by the Niners. Last year they missed the playoffs. So winning a playoff game to me would be a very, very impressive first year for Mike McDonald but big picture like could they win the Super Bowl? No, I do not believe they can win the Super Bowl. I'd be a little stunned if they could win multiple playoff games to be honest with you. Do you think the quality of the game is getting worse with all these rookie quarterbacks being asked to start right away? It seems like we have to now sit through and watch two to three years of development. Whereas in the past rookies would sit one year and then would be somewhat seasoned in their first full time season. The fact that some quarterbacks are coming out of college without four year of starts seems to make it even worse. I'm going to push back on that a little bit. Look at Caleb Williams. He started in college for two and a half years. Who went number two? Jaden Daniels, he started for three or four years. A couple at asu. Multiple at lsu, Drake May, multiple year starter. Bo Nicks. More college starts than any player in college history. Michael Penix, I mean he would have been a five or six year starter with all the injuries and. Yeah, so I think a lot of these guys, who else am I missing? J.J. mcCarthy, multiple year starter. These guys are playing a lot. I mean look at this upcoming year. Cam Ward's been starting for three plus years. Shador has been a starter for three plus years. I think these guys are playing, it's just, it's really hard. I think we've seen a long, long time in football that just regardless how much you play, regardless your situation, most guys it's tough. It's just really, really hard. I mean Caleb's on a, on a joke franchise right now so I like and he has a lot to work on so he needs to be coached up. So I think there are a lot of different variables. I would say worse than ever. No, I mean it's just, I think the game's different. I mean there are elements of it that I miss but I find myself pretty entertained when I'm watching it to be honest with you. Question list the top five quarterbacks in the nfc. Okay, let's pull up the nfc. I would say this season for sure would be golf. In no order would be Darnold. I think I throw Jordan Love in there. Stafford Hertz Purdy would be on the fringe. Baker be on the fringe. So I think your locks are Stafford golf. You know if you ask A.J. brown he'd say do not put Jalen hurts on that on that list. Jalen's weird. I mean Jalen's a really good player obviously his running ability, his playmaking ability. But he can't like Stafford and Goff. He's not picking you. Apart from the pocket, he's much more of a playmaker, but his playmaking translates to winning. Dax hurt, Car stinks. Caleb kind of stinks. Bryce is actually coming on. Cousin stinks. Jaden's been terrible now for a month. Geno's. Geno's been solid. What are Geno stats this year? Geno right now is 14 touchdowns, 12 picks. So, yeah, I don't know if I'd put Gino in there. So I think you'd go. If I was trying to do a list, I would go Stafford one. This is like their best version. Throughout the season, I'd go Stafford, golf. Stafford golf. Do I go Jalen? Huh? You know, people are pushed back on Jordan Love. I like Jordan Love. I'd probably go Stafford, Goff. I mean, Jordan Love. 21 touchdowns, 11 picks. He's been banged up. Jordan Love, Hertz, Purdy. Maybe it's not exactly Mahomes Allen, Lamar Herbert, but not bad. Not bad. Sadly. Still a Giants fan reaching out to let you know that I hate football. The season really did it for me. The Giants organization is outdated and a joke. It seems like they're stuck in the 2000s and they have not updated their operations to conform to the modern day post concussion settlement NFL. I really don't care what happens with the team. If they draft a quarterback, he will likely be a bust because the team and the culture is awful. Going to take a full year off of football and will check back in during 2026 to see if things have improved. I think you have a valid point of, you know, think about businesses that don't adapt properly. And we saw a lot of them, like anyone who was kind of of my age that grew up in the 90s and then through the 2000s, what changed dramatically, you know, in the early 2000s? Right. The Internet. And as that pivot happened that decade, a lot of companies got laughed and destroyed. Right. You know, I mean, one of the most famous ones is Blockbuster. Had the opportunity to buy Netflix. Right? I mean, and when you can't pivot as things are changing, I use this analogy or this example a lot. But radio is just in so much trouble because of the way the consumer now operates the phone is how we listen to stuff, connecting to our car when we get into it. And that has wiped out country or not country, but just, you know, music, radio, whatever. Whatever music. You know, country radio, rock radio, hip hop radio, even talk radio. Has dramatically changed because we stream top talk radio. I mean the biggest show in America is not a radio show anymore. Joe Rogan, which is a podcast. So I just think that, you know, the Giants had the success. They're an old school organization. They're almost like a country club for those of golfers out there. You know, there are some country clubs that when you walk into that are very, very old school. You take your hat off, your shirt has to be tucked in at all times. And that's just a very old school way of doing business in the golfing world. And whether it's Olympic club, whether it's nice country clubs all over the country, and then there's this new age of clubs and they are the most expensive. You know, one right down the street from me where a bunch of, you know, famous rich people are members. It's called Silverleaf. There are no dress codes. You can do whatever you want. You can wear whatever you want, you can listen to your music as loud as you want. And it costs half a million dollars to get in all these discovery properties. There's one in Palm Springs, there's one in Nashville, there's one in Montana. There's one. It's the famous one in the Bahamas that if you follow golf that like Justin Thomas and Ricky Fowler and all those guys went to no rules. You know why? Because the modern day consumer. I got no problem if I have the money paying for it, but I don't want any rules and regulation of what I want to wear. I'm coming here to have a good time. I'm not. This isn't a business meeting. I'm coming to kick it, hang out, have some, have some cocktails and play golf. And I think football, there are always going to be elements of discipline and seriousness. But obviously the world has changed and I think it's been very, very difficult on the Giants to figure that out. I don't have all the answers, but I hear you and I feel your pain. Question for the pod. What do you think about McCarthy being the next head coach of the Bears? Assuming Mike gets fired from the Cowboys, I think he would be a good fit. He's won everywhere he's gone and is the team. And as long as the team has good players, Dak and Aaron, they have had some of their best seasons with him as their coach and he's used to meddling a meddling front office and most coaches wouldn't want to deal with that. Let me know what you think. If Mike McCarthy is available, I am 100% with you, the Bears should be all over him. How could the Bears do better than Mike McCarthy? It's why I think Mike Vrabel makes a lot of sense. A guy that's been a head coach, a guy that's had success and a guy that knows how to win. And McCarthy even different than Vrabel, same thing. Guy that's been a head coach, a guy that's now won multiple places and and unlike Variable, a guy that can coach the quarterback and quarterbacks play well under his watch. I think it's starting to feel more and more like Jerry's going to keep Mike. So I would have said a couple weeks ago guarantee he's fired after Jerry's comments about just listening to people talk. Maybe Mike comes back. As a Vikings fan would love to see Darnold stay, but more than likely he won't. How does a tag and trade to the Seahawks sound? Seattle gets a better quarterback and for a long time future and the Vikings get draft capital and build for the future. I definitely think that would be on the table. I would say this. If you tag and trade them and choose not to keep him. The amount of pressure that J.J. anytime you're starting quarterback in the NFL, there's a lot of pressure. It's part of the business. It's a difficult spot to be in and it's just hard. And most guys are fail right and relative right. Don't become high end players. J.J. mcCarthy, if they do this tag and trade, he'll just be compared to Sam Darnold. And I think that's an extremely risky move for Minnesota. The whole point of football is to find a good quarterback. Whether you draft a guy and find them like the packers did with Aaron Rodgers or the, you know, the Patriots did with Tom Brady, the Chiefs did with Patrick Mahomes. Whether it's signing a guy in free agency like the Broncos did with Peyton Manning, like the Raiders did once upon a time with Rich Gannon, like the Saints did with Drew Brees. However you acquire him, it doesn't matter whether the guy falls in your lap with the last pick in the draft like Brock Purdy. But once you get a guy who's pretty good and you can win games with, you got to figure out a way to keep him. Now I understand it's a business and you don't just give every good one the most money possible, but are you telling me that if I could sign Sam Donald right now to let's just say the Kirk Cousins contract. What was Kirk Cousins contract? Like four years? 160 million and I think he got $100 million guaranteed. Like if you, he got four years $180 million. Here's the deal. Four years 180. Average salary of $45 million. Signing bonus $50 million guaranteed at signing 90. Total guarantees 100. I mean if you're a Vikings fan, would you do that right now? So you basically got him for three more years. It's like what about JJ McCarthy? Well if Sam gets hurt we just have an insurance plan and our backup quarterback makes a couple two or three million dollars and we go we got one of the best backup quarterbacks in the league. We didn't plan on this happening. Right. Unlike. The difference here is the Falcons went all in on Cousins and then they drafted Penix and then they find themselves in this situation of like what do we do? Can we bench them? Like listen, our plan was to go with J.J. mcCarthy. It's why we drafted him and we got a bridge quarterback and then that bridge quarterback who once upon a time was drafted number three overall, threw 38 touchdowns and led us to the NFC championship game. So we extended him. We still got the rookie quarterback who's a second year guy coming off a knee injury and we'll just figure it out as we go. That's a good problem to have. Like their problem is a good problem to have. The Falcons created a problem. What's up John? Have a mailbag question for the future of college football. I don't know if this is possible but with college football landscape being a bit messy and since the SEC and notable Big Ten teams are the most talented and have better television ratings, do you think they would disband and make their own league? The league would basically be a mini NFL with conferences, divisions and their own playoff. They could grab Ohio State, the Clemsons, Miami's inform their own league and organized playoff system. These are the games and the matchups that people want to watch anyway. Do you think this realistic thing that could happen in the next five or ten years? Well I think we're already headed there and I think Greg Sankey alluded to like this is not going to fly. Like we don't carry the sport for three months and then only get three teams into the playoff. This is not acceptable and if I was Greg Sankey I'd be pissed. Even if technically I understood why Alabama didn't get in but like why are we such a huge reason that this sports popularity is so big? Our conference puts the most guys in the NFL every single year by a wide margin. It is way harder to play our schedule than it is to play the ACC schedule. So yeah, some of our best teams have three losses. Well, if we had played in the ACC or vice versa, the ACC had come here would how many games would SMU win in the in the sec? At most I would say eight and that'd be good. Eight and four in the sec. Smu, that'd be impressive season. So I think part of this now is to get all these people together and play a unified schedule. You're still going to have some random teams and hell, you might have SMU and you might have, you know, the Wisconsin's and Iowa's and the Mississippi states. That's fine. But they all got to play each other like the NFL. They have the Chiefs, they got the Bills, they, I mean they got the Lions and the Eagles, but they also got the Raiders and the Jags. Like not everyone's good all the time. That's fine. But everyone's playing everybody and that's not happening in college football. So when I see these records at the end of the year, they're not even close to be comparable. What Kenny Dillingham did in this season was awesome. Everyone picked him to become be last in the Big 12. But going 10 and 2 in the Big 12 is not the same as going 10 and 2 in the SEC. Yet they're somewhat treated the same. Like oh two playoff teams. Georgia 10 and 2, ASU 10 and 2 both won their conference championship. 2 and 3 seed what Boise State got got a buy. They won the Mountain West. I mean they're playing New Mexico and Nevada every other week. It's crazy. What is your opinion on the quarterback protection rules? I'm a fan of the Texans and Aziz Al shire the hit on Trevor I thought would have been shouldn't have been such a big deal. We had a quarterback running for a first down and Aziz was protecting the sticks. All the shouting shows were acting like he just killed someone's grandmother. I really found Shannon Sharp and Jeff Saturday extremely biased on the issue. Even the commentators for the game were crucifying Aziz. I'm not sure how a defensive player is supposed to approach the quarterback in the open field. I guess the league in the NFL media wants defensive players to just give up first downs now. Really sad. I think anytime you see the crazy part is if Trevor Lawrence would have got right up and been fine. Anytime a guy's knocked out, the result of the hit then becomes way worse. Like you see salacious hits in college in the NFL and if the Guy's fine, like it's not that big a deal. But when a guy gets carted off, the reaction, you know, amplifies 10x, which is kind of stupid, but it is what it is. I've said over and over that the violence, taking it out of defenders, like they all know the rules now. Nobody is trying to hurt anybody. That used to not be the case. That is clearly the case now. Everyone is attempting to play within the rules. But these quarterbacks get paid all the money, they get all the fame and they take no risks. So in any business it's like, wait, these guys get all the rewards, yet they take no risks. And if I cross the line, I get suspended, I get docked without pay. That never happened. Trevor Lawrence isn't even good and they gave him $200 million. You start getting this, you know, off kilter of this situation where these quarterbacks like Trevor Lawrence's role in the NFL is, I would say, borderline irrelevant. Like if he never played another snap, it would not matter. And I do believe, like I completely understand protecting quarterbacks because Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, you know, you name top 15 quarterbacks, the league needs them for television ratings and that's where everyone makes their money. So I get trying to protect them. I do think the quarterbacks have taken advantage of the situation. Dan Campbell went viral a couple weeks ago because St. Brown said on his podcast that he told the team that Caleb Williams fakes, goes out of bounds and cuts back in and essentially when he does that, hit his ass as hard as humanly possible. And I saw these people on the Internet like, oh, he's so dirty dirty. He's literally telling him if he fakes going out of bounds and cuts back in, hit him like you would any other player. And it's like, of course they should. Trevor Lawrence running in the open field, he's 6 foot 6, 230 pounds and he runs like a 4 6. This notion of like, oh, it's a late hit. It's so easy for every fat ass on their couch to say that. I don't think he was trying to hurt the guy. I think it was much more of a bang bang play than anyone said. I do think it is become outrageous the protections on the quarterback in terms of them taking advantage of that. So yeah, do I think he should have been suspended for three games? I don't give him a one game suspension. Be fine with me. My question is, what would it take for you to go back to the NFL? There is no way I wouldn't go Back to the NFL. One I'm not going to get the opportunity into. There's just life's too good, make too much money and I'm too good at this. I'm not even trying to be arrogant or whatever. I'm just this, I'm not leaving this got too good of a thing going. So there's just zero, 100%, zero chance. I have no aspirations. I like doing this more in the NFL. Side question what would your quick unofficial head coaching top five ranking? Mine is Andy Reid 1. McVeigh 2. Shanahan 3. LA4 5. Jim Harbaugh LaFleur 4. Jim Harbaugh 5. I would take Jim Harbaugh over LaFleur. You could make the argument that I. You could take Jim Harbaugh number two. Now, he hasn't been in the NFL recently and I know he doesn't have a Super bowl like Sean McVeigh, but what he's I think Jim Harbaugh is as good as it gets. I think he's going to go down when it's all said and done as one of the greatest coaches of all time. I don't think anyone I would. I would probably rank him McVeigh, Shanahan, LaFleur or Shanahan McVeigh LaFleur. I would definitely have LaFleur the third out of those two to be your cup of tea. You know, Kyle's I feel like Sean's a little happier. Kyle's a little angrier. Should the Cowboys call the Vikings about J.J. mcCarthy? Cowboys just gave Dak Prescott $200 million, so no. Plus the Vikings wouldn't trade them. Even if they would, it would cost a lot to get them. Am I the only one going crazy off all these flags watching the Rams and Bills? It's a flag on every big play. If the receiver has a small push off the cornerback and the cornerback grabs his arm and doesn't let go, that's just football, not a flag. What do you think? As long as the defense doesn't have a legal contact first, then it should just fly. I'm in total agreement. Like these are physical 6 foot 1 to 6 foot 3 guys that run 4, 4 40s. So when they're running right next to each other, there's going to be contact and honestly, there's going to be a little pushing and shoving. You cannot call pass interference or defensive holding on every big fucking play in my issue. And it feels like this for the last half decade. The amount of defensive penalties that are called on the secondary, obviously some are Egregious and some have to be called. But it feels like more than not the majority of these calls. I would lean ticky tack. Like I get it back to the Al Shire thing. When there is a big hit, people freak. That's kind of just the world we live in. Everything is like overreaction. The Al Shire thing. Obviously when you see the hit, you go, damn. And then after a while you're like, listen, it's football. He slid late. He hit him one in his shoulder. The guy got knocked out because he hit the ground. But I get it. It becomes a controversial issue. Why these defensive penalties are not more controversial for the NFL is insane. The amount of defensive holding in the red zone on like third and goal from the seven yard line, it's like automatic. First down at the one and a half yard line, it's like, what are we doing? It's crazy. So I hear you big fan of the pod. I was watching Penn State, Oregon and the Big Ten championship and thought Drew Aller possesses a lot of traits I'd like to see in an NFL quarterback. Big arm, great arm talent, good size, good enough athlete just needs to refine some of his game. I'm wondering what your thoughts are on him. I. When Colin and I were talking about this, I know this, I would take Drew Aller every day of the week and 100 times on Sunday before I would think about wasting any draft pick on Quinn Ewers or Carson Beck. So coming into the season, those two guys were talked about like number one overall picks. Obviously neither of them are now, but Drew Allers pretty polarizing because he can be, I would say a little hit or miss with accuracy. But in terms of a size, he made some explosive plays. Obviously the last pass, the interception that lost them the game was pretty bad. There was a pass to Warren on the trick play where they had Warren line up a tackle and the tackle line up a slot receiver and Warren's wide open and he just. His accuracy is a little hit or miss. But listen, Josh Allen's accuracy was pretty shitty in college. You know who else is pretty inaccurate? Lamar Jackson. So if you can coach a guy up, you can improve that area of the game from a toughness standpoint, from a playmaking standpoint. I was really impressed with Drew Aller in that game. Accuracy is something that is like to me, his biggest question mark. Assuming that he checks all the boxes. Good guy, team leader, characters, all good. I would find him as a very intriguing prospect. He's a risky one though. You know, for every Josh Allen. That works. Or Lamar Jackson, who becomes very accurate in the pros and becomes a better player than they were in college. Lamar was the excellent player in college too. Josh is probably the better example there. But Josh was playing at Wyoming. Like, who's good at Wyoming? You know, this guy is at Penn State. But Penn State doesn't have good wide receivers. His tight end is one good weapon in terms of the pass game and those two dominate. So I hear you. I like Drew Aller a lot. WVU fan. I think that means West Virginia. I was on campus for the Holgerson era. Even stayed in a tent for a week to get into college game day in 2014. While many of us were happy to see Dana leave, the Neil Brown era has been a massive step in the wrong direction. Now that he has been fired, what do you think West Virginia should go after? I know a Natty is probably out of the reach with our recruiting limitations, but I feel with the right Coach, a Big 12 championship is a reasonable goal. I think part of being a, you know, a fan of a program like this is you got to be realistic about your options and like, you're not swimming in the deep end of the pier, right? Whoever the Kirby Smart is, whoever, you know, like when Georgia hired Kirby Smart from Alabama, whoever the top coordinator is, and you could argue, is there even really one right now? You know, Kenny Dillingham is a super hot name. The problem is he's from here and I don't think he's leaving right now. So you go like Fresno State, who did they just hire? This guy Ence, who was at USC but had coached at North Dakota State for a long time and won championships. So can you look at a program like App State is down and they fired their coach. But you know, a program like that and go, can we steal an up and comer? Like essentially what Nebraska did when they hired Scott Frost. Now again, it backfired, but is there a situation like that, you know, Boise, Washington State was really good till the last three weeks when they kind of imploded. Or do you go after a coordinator and, you know, you look around, you go, well, who are Kirby's coordinators? You know, Bobo's is offensive coordinator. You're going to hire Mike Bobo. You go, is, you know, Alabama. Ryan Grubb is DeBoer's guy, but he's at the Seahawks. Ryan Day, Michigan. Like those programs don't really have a top guy. Could you hire a guy who's in a little trouble, right? Like Luke Fickle, but It's like, is Luke Fickle a fit at West Virginia? I don't know. I don't have a great answer for you. I know those jobs, they're very specific. You know, you got to find a guy who just works and I don't know West Virginia that well in terms of like, the type coaches, like who you guys are talking about on the message board. But let's just use the West Coast. Washington State and Oregon State, I think are good examples. If you get the right coach at those programs, like, they can win nine, 10 games. What Oregon State do they hire? Jonathan Smith. Now, granted, Jonathan Smith was an alumni. When did Washington State really hit the ground running and get back on the map? When they hired Mike Leach, like, I'd kind of go renegade, you know, when they hired Mike Leach, he had got fired for putting what's his name in the. In the electrical tent, right. Craig James was kid. So I would try to just to me, West Virginia feels a little like a renegade program, you know? Rich Rod Holgerson, like, I need a guy a little close to the edge. So I don't know who that, like, when I close my eyes, who fits that mold. There's not a guy that jumps out to me. I would say Lane Kiffin would, but like, he's not leaving Ole Miss for West Virginia. But like, that version, give me a guy who kind of doesn't give a shit, you know, kind of like Bob Huggins Holgerson. Rich Rod, I need a guy like, you got a little bit of an uphill battle at a program like that. It's not a bad program, but, you know, you're at a disadvantage financially against the big boys. My question is, how are NFL scouts that are employed by NFL teams truly judged? It seems as though whenever a high profile college football player comes out to the NFL draft, half the scouts through the media approved of his draft grading and half the scouts disapprove of his draft grading at the end of the day or at the end of the year. How are scouts truly judged by their work performance? Also, what are your views on tattoos? I mean, I think some people obviously pull them off. Well, they. I don't have any, but I wouldn't look good at them. I'm jealous of guys that can pull it off. So I would say I don't really have a view on tattoos. Like, I don't really care. Not something that crosses my mind. But some people look bad with them. So I think your body type really matters. Speaking as a guy and I guess as a Girl too. Like, tattoos can look awesome and they can look terrible. I would say this. Let's use a salesman as an example. If you, if you work as a sales guy for a company, it's very easy to judge your performance. Or Maria, she's in real estate. Like, how much money do you generate this year? What was, what was your last three quarters? If we have a quota, did you hit it? Did you fly by it? How much money are you bringing in? Which then equates to how much money are you making. You're incentivized to sell more, right? Was a scout. I think you're really judged on how close you are with the front office. So do the GM and the coach like you? Because if they do in your scat and like your evaluations are kind of hit or miss, then it doesn't really matter and you will keep the job and you won't get fired. You could be, and I've known a lot of these guys, excellent evaluators, like, really good, like 90 plus percent hit rate on your evaluations on pro and college players. And if a GM or a number two, you know, the assistant gm turn on you and don't like you for whatever reason, which is natural in any corporate setting, just butt heads. We don't see eye to eye, whatever, we don't get along, you're screwed. So it's sad because knowing how much time these guys put in, how much time you spend driving around school to school, how much energy and effort most guys put into this, it doesn't really matter how good you are. It really doesn't. You know, I think unlike coaching, where it's very black and white, like, this guy's a good position coach. Look at his unit. This guy's a really good coordinator. Look at his unit. In scouting, it's much more subjective and to me it mostly comes down to personality. Like, do you get along with the people you work with or not? Because if you do, you keep a job. Which is kind of sad. But that's kind of how the NFL works. I've noticed throughout the season that a lot of teams tend to keep games low scoring for the first two quarters, then offenses explode in the second half. Why is this? I noticed, for example, during the Browns Broncos game last Monday night that Nick Chubb was essentially benched for the second quarter as they couldn't get him going. Then they utilized him more in the second half. Do teams adjust their game plan for certain personnel at halftime, essentially scheming new plays for them to get more involved with the game plan, I forget who said this, there's a defensive coordinator in college. But he said what makes a good coordinator is when you think about the week, you spend all week game planning to get ready for that team's place. And then once the game starts, usually that team is running stuff you haven't seen. So it's kind of a feeling out process. But the reason you spent all that preparation as a coach and your staff coach the players up is because in the second half that team then goes back to what they do. What they do. Because the first 15 plays or the first quarter are usually plays that were created or schemes that were implemented that week to try to take advantage of that team. And sometimes it doesn't work. It's why, like usually if you watch a team's first drive in the NFL or college is really good, you go right down the field. I think Kirk Cousins, they scored in their first drive. Atlanta. Well, why is that? Because I've developed these plays. We've worked on a Monday, Thursday, Friday, walked through them again Saturday, Sunday morning I got up and I visualized them. So I've like mastered them. And then the game starts flowing and we just run normal plays and I either execute him, I'm a good player or not. So I clearly people adjust and when you say adjust, you're constantly adjusting through the game. But you realize, hey, they are actually doing this. Let's morph to this, right? Hey, they're actually not running the coverage that we thought we would see. They're blitzing this guy off the edge every other play. Let's hit him with these three things and you have more exposure. Hey, here's another thing. Their starting corner pulled his hamstring in the first quarter. Their backup corner is a seventh round pick who's not that fast. And we got CD Lamb or Justin Jefferson. Attack that fucking guy. That happens a lot. So I think there are a lot of variables. I think every game is a little different. But I think you're on to something. Where would you rank Justin Fields today? Is he a starting quarterback or a backup quarterback in today's NFL? Also, if you were an NFL gm, would you take Fields or Minshew if you had to take one to be on your team? Thanks and hope you are enjoying the good weather in Arizona from PA I would say. I would say Justin Fields a backup. I would say Gardner Minshew is a backup as well. I think it depends who my team is like. I think Justin Fields makes a ton of sense. Next year as the backup to Like Lamar Jackson. I think he makes a ton of sense as the backup to like Kyler Murray. Does Justin Fields make a lot of sense as the backup to Justin Herbert or Brock Purdy or, you know, Matt Stafford? Probably not. I mean, as you see. How do they use them? They run zone reads for him. Minshew has proven that he can come in and just run a normal offense for several games. If you name him your starting quarterback, you are screwed. One thing Fields can do is just run around. I mean, he is an elite athlete. I think they're very different players, but I think they're somewhat similar. Like if you start them consistently, you're not going to be a playoff team. Gardner can get hot for a game or two slinging around, but he also can look terrible. Fields can get hot for a game or two being a dual threat guy, but he also just can't consistently throw the ball. So I think they're in the same world of being backup quarterbacks. There's nothing wrong with that. And Fields, because of his running ability can play right? Like you can implement some running plays for him, which they do and it's effective. And hell, just at a last game they played, he had the game clinching play against the Bengals when they ran the zone read and he ran for a first down. I'm a big Georgia fan and wanted to hear your take on Carson. Becky, going into the season I felt he had a real shot to be in the Heisman race, win an Addie and be a top 10 pick. The reality is he has had some nice moments but hasn't been the guy Georgia fans were hoping or expected. Granted, our receiver play has been subpar and we haven't had a good run game for Georgia Standards. Was curious if you can think of a player who went into a season with this much hype and fizzled out like this. Thanks and keep crushing. I look today I haven't seen an update on his injury and college is a little different than the pros. He doesn't, I don't think they have to come out and just acknowledge that he, you know, he's out for the season or whatever. When I was scouting, Matt Barkley was a guy who I think was viewed as a guy who was going to be the number one overall pick and then went back to school, had a down year and ended up, I think being a fourth round pick. Ironically Liner, who was still taken, I think in the top 15, but he was widely viewed as a number one overall pick, went back to school. Now Liner, you know, they Went to the national championship. He just lost Vince Young in the, in the Texas. So he had a good year. I think Carson Beck one, I've been very critical of him. But if you want, I mean losing lad McConkey and Brock Bowers, I mean those, those two guys are the best passing options on their two teams in the NFL. I mean those are high end players. I mean both guys, I mean Brett Bauer should be like a five time All Pro and McConaughey should be like Wes Welker in the NFL for a long time. So it's, it's hard to replace that. And clearly their offensive line isn't that good. He had some moments. I'm trying to think of the game, it was a couple weeks after the Texas game where he just made some nice throws and you're like, okay, you see some of the talent. But to me, like, to me he looks like a backup quarterback in the NFL. He's kind of a weird looking cat. I mean he's got, he's got a weird look. You know, I like my quarterbacks to just kind of, I don't know, be normal looking. He's got a, he's got, you know, the one arm sleeve. He's just kind of got a weird look going. And obviously the play has been pretty shitty. But yeah, I mean I think he's lost a lot of money this year. There's no disputing that. And now if he's seriously injured, I mean you might be looking at, you wouldn't, I don't know, I mean I would say if he needs Tommy John and he has to, could he be an undrafted free agent? Could he go back to school? Would George even want him back? We'll see how Gunnar Stockton does in the playoffs, assuming that Carson's out and he's starter. But yeah, he just, he just has looked really, just rattled a lot of the time. He's not a great athlete, doesn't have a huge arm. So it's a lot of like, you know, he's closer to a Jared Goff type player than he is some dynamic playmaker. And the one thing with Jared Goff, he like very comfortable in the pocket. You watch Carson back is very hit or miss that way. It's not all his fault. Like you said, receivers play bad offensive lines, not great running games, not great. But it's like yes, college football, make some plays. He's not really a playmaker other than that. Appreciate everyone listening. We'll talk to you tomorrow. See you. The volume.
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