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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Myles Garrett requests a trade, NFL heads down under, Chip Kelly gets a bag
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The Volume what is going on everybody? How we doing? It's me, John Middlekop. Hopefully everyone's having a great day. 3Now podcast Super bowl week. We got a lot going on. If you're listening in the morning, I might be might be up on a bird flying to New Orleans. So the next podcast probably happened from a hotel room down close to Bourbon Street. Talking a little ball, taking in the festivities. See what's going on. Excited for the week. Got buddies from both teams there. We got some business to attend to. I think we got A volume party. So should be a busy couple days of eating some gumbo, maybe having a few cocktails and talking some ball with the people. Supposed to be nice. I'm gonna bring some shorts. Talked to one of my buddies on the Chiefs today. I was like, what's the weather? He's like, it's hot. Wore shorts and T shirts to the practice today. Sweating like damn like that. So excited for some warm weather and to talk a little football. But I mean the story of the day at least football wise. Miles Garrett has asked for a trade, so we will dive into that. So some other NFL topics lot going on around the NFL. Oh, Raj spoke. The NFL is going to Australia and Chip Kelly talking about getting the bag, especially no state income tax Vegas. They gave him a lot of money. And we'll do a little mailbag at John Middlekopf at johnmittlecoffee. Fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. And if you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three now podcast. I was texting with Colin. He's doing okay. We're recording a podcast tomorrow. Supposed to do it today, but he's resting and we will talk. I'll talk to him tomorrow officially for a podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the YouTube page. All of our content is up there as well. And we'll just keep firing out podcasts, rocking and rolling. Other than that. Yeah, let's roll. 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I love it when a guy puts out a letter or just some words, couple paragraphs when he's requesting a trade. The first sentence, or usually the first, like I would say seven or eight sentences are like, this place is meant everywhere. This is where my firstborn son was born. Took his first steps and called me daddy. You, the fans have been the heartbeat of not just this team, but of my success, of us as an organization. You guys mean I've grown up as a man under your watch. You just go on and on and on and then the last line is always. With that being said, I've officially requested to be traded from the Cleveland Browns. Come get me. Let's put in your offers now to Andrew Berry. I'm ready for a new challenge. So never fault a player. Been there for a long time, given them a lot and it does feel like it's time. When you look at Miles Garrett, he is just an elite player and really since 2018, he has been an all pro every single year, first or second team. Obviously. He won a defensive player of the year a couple years ago. He's everything you want. An edge rusher in terms of size, the physical characteristics, the blue chip nature. He's the number one overall pick. The speed, the athleticism, the burst. I mean he's, he is a pass rusher who is made in a lab and we argue a lot on this show is obviously quarterback. If you can get a starting quarterback and definitely star quarterback, they always are number one on the hierarchy. Who's number two? You know, is it a left tackle? You could argue right tackle. Is it just a tackle or a pass rusher? I don't think there's any difference between the two? I would have them, you know, 2A and 2B. Tell me who the better prospect is, right? If you tell me it's like a solid pass rusher and elite tackle, I'll take the offensive tackle. If you tell me it's Miles Garrett and just a solid starter, I'll take Myles Garrett. Those two positions are a must. Ideally, you get both of them, you get a good tackle and you get a star rusher, right? And that's what Miles Garrett is. And I think sometimes when you've been in Cleveland, when you've seen the dysfunction and at the end of the day, what Miles Garrett knows, they're stuck. Why? Because DeSean Watson is an anchor on the franchise and it's something that in, you know, in his career, it's going to weigh him down. He could have a 30 sack season. It doesn't matter because they've guaranteed this guy so much money. They guaranteed at the time, Miles Garrett a historical haul. You know what? It didn't matter. He produced and he dominated and he became the defensive player of the year and he Pro Bowls, all Pros, like that's what you want. When you pay a guy a premium, you want them to respond and be the best player on the field. And we see that around the NFL all the time, right? The Minnesota Vikings gave Justin Jefferson all that money year one. It's like, Jesus, God, this guy's good. The Cowboys gave CD Lamb all that money, like, geez, my God, I want this guy on my team. And that's what you want when you pay these guys the unlimited amount of cash that they're now making because of the revenue in the NFL and Miles Garrett is everything you want in a super high pick. He becomes a superstar player. But when you're in a dysfunctional organization, these guys eventually, even when they've, you know, money can buy loyalty, let's face it. But there comes to a breaking point where it's like, this sucks. Now part of this is he wants a new contract as well and it's time to pay him. So if you are going to trade for Miles Garrett, you're then going to double down more than likely and give him, you know, 120 to 140 million dollars guaranteed. I actually don't think it's that crazy. To me, his historical comp. I kind of looked around. Free agency began in the early 90s, and one of the big, biggest free first free agents and really a guy that changed the game was Reggie White. Now when Reggie White went to the Green Bay Packers. He was older than Miles Garrett is today. Miles Garrett turned 29 in December. So he will basically play the majority of next season at 29 years old. Reggie White during his Packer career was basically 31, 32 to 37, 38 years old. So it was like in his early to mid to late 30s is when he played for the Green Bay Packers. And every single year he was a Pro Bowler and a first or second team all Pro. And that's when Pro Bowls matter, not when they just became the participation award where it's like, who's, who's in this? You're like, oh, yeah, Drake, Mac Jones, Trey, Lance, like, what is going. How is this happening? It's like, no, that was a day like when I was a kid, you made the Pro bowl, you were an elite player, like NBA All Star game. Same thing, right? And the NBA All Star game still is that the best players go. Now, they may not play and they definitely do not now, but the Pro bowl now, you have no clue who is going to accept. Most of them would rather go to Cancun with their wife or girlfriend or just go play golf. But Reggie White was signed and from 32 to 38 years old for six years, he was worth every penny. And he solidified his hall of Fame career and obviously was a huge, huge part of the packers turning that franchise around. Brett Favre and Mike Holmgren and winning a Super bowl and going to another. So I think when you look at Miles Garrett, this is not one of those Luca situations where all these teams like, you know, guys, you could have called us, we'd have offered you a shitload. We'd have offered you so much, it would have been hard to hang up the phone. Even if you didn't, you know, you wanted Anthony Davis that bad, you would have not slept well at night with our offer on the table, right? And I think that's what every team in the league is going to call about. Miles Garrett, every single one. And there are going to be, I would imagine, 10 to 15 that are going to be ultra aggressive. You're talking first round picks, you're talking second round picks. You're talking players like willing to play ball. And this isn't just playoff teams, like, it's easy to go. Well, the Green Bay packers or the Washington Commanders, I think average to below average teams are going to get involved because it's like, well, we give you, you can make a long list of the ability to make a package to land this guy. And when the dust settles, I Would say minimum you're getting a one, several twos, maybe a three and some players. It is going to blow your socks off and more than likely they're going to start the offer, you know, if you're on the Cleveland side is like multiple ones, multiple twos and a player. Now it gets a little complicated because of the money that you have to pay him and his age. If this was a guy after his first, you know, AKA it's rookie contract, you know, you'd be talking about like three first round picks. But because you know you're talking about 8th, 9th, 10th year guy going into his 30s, you know, maybe you only get one one, but to me it's a ton of twos, threes, players, you know, it wouldn't shock me at all if they got multiple ones and two and players. So the amount that you're not only going to ask, the amount that you're going to end up getting is going to be a shitload. It's a lot like real estate, right? Certain markets you can start the bidding at whatever number, it's only going to go up because that is a desired neighborhood. And when you talk about a pass rusher, you're talking about probably you could argue, the most desired pass rusher in the NFL. I mean, honestly, his only negative is that he's almost 30. But if you look at it like Reggie White, you know, the thing with Luka is like, yeah, we think he's fat. I never want that to be a conversation with my GM or my coach about my superstar player though. He's like the, if he's fat, he's like the greatest fat player I've ever seen. But like, when you look at Miles Garrett, no one worries. Like, I wonder about his conditioning. I remember a couple years ago when the highlights came out, he was playing like the YMCA pickup basketball and it was like, is that LeBron James? And it was Miles Garrett, like dunking on people. I mean, he looked like an NBA player. And Cleveland immediately came out and was like, you cannot do that. Obviously they're worried about him like shattering a knee or an ankle. But his highlights on the basketball court athletically look like a high end NBA athlete and he's a defensive end. So like from a physicality standpoint, from a genetic standpoint, I don't think anyone's worried. Like, I wonder if Myles Garrett's going to put on some weight as he get older. The only thing you worry about with older players are susceptibility to injuries. And to me, he looked like a Pretty durable player. And Reggie White clearly was looking at his time, his tenure in Green Bay from, you know, he basically turned 32 in Green Bay through 38, was playing all the time, was not missing games. So I don't know if you, if you trade for Miles Garrett, you're thinking he's going to play for you till 38. But I think it's realistic to think I can get four years out of a first team all pro. Like, that's the level in which he gives me at that position. So teams are going to be very, very interested. And to me, like the playoff teams, you know, it gets complicated, right? If you are the Lions, for example, you just paid a lot of guys on your team, you just paid a ton of guys on your team in the first couple years. Their salary cap number is a little lower because you can finagle the books that way. But in a couple years it's all going to hit. And you also have a guy in Aiden Hutchinson, assuming that he comes back healthy and it was just a broken leg, like, he's going to need to get paid in a year. So, like, to me, they were a team. Like, I'd give two ones for him right now. And who knows, maybe they do it. I think the Green Bay packers are a team. Speaking of Reggie White, who should be all in on this guy, I see the Washington commanders mentioned a lot on the Interweb and I see both sides of it. It's like, well, when you get Jaden Daniels, you might as well double the bleep down. And when you get Jaden Daniels, like, this is part of like hitting a quarterback. Go all in. Now, the thing I would say is, you know, your draft picks you would still like to use. Like, if it's going to cost you two ones, you know, you have a bunch of money now, you're not going to be able to sign a guy in free agency remotely as good as Miles Garrett. But couldn't we utilize signing the best free agents and even quote unquote, overpaying? And then also using our draft picks, which we've proven to be pretty good at only through a short period of time here. Like, I got to be pretty confident that I'm going to nail some of those picks. But these are conversations that you're going to have long and hard. Like, if you're Cleveland, I don't think you're opposed to, to trading them in the AFC if the offer is right, but like, you're not trading them in your division, you're not trading to The Baltimore Ravens. You're not trading them to the Kansas City Chiefs. You know, the Patriots are a team that I see, you know, mentioned a lot. I think the problem for the shitty teams is I don't think you can trade them with a straight face to your fans without getting a first round pick in 2025 in this upcoming draft. And if you're the Patriots, given how terrible you are, you have a ton of money, but you are terrible. Like, I don't think you can give the fourth pick form because you're not, you're not a player away from being a player away from being three players away. But if you're Washington, I think you go, well, couldn't we just buy some free agents offensively, maybe a T. Higgins, Bring Zach Ertz back, you know, draft a running back in the third round and let's just go all in for Miles Garrett. I think you'd have to think long and hard. So to me, Washington, Detroit, Green Bay, you know, the Rams are always sniffing around. I would say the Eagles as well. We know Howie's relationship with, with Andrew Berry. So I understand Cleveland going, you know what, we don't want to trade you. And that seems like a consistent theme. There gets to a point where you're in such a shitty position because of the Deshaun Watson contract. You kind of have a chance to reset your whole franchise. And it's not like you're trading this guy after his rookie contract. He's given you defensive player of the year, all these all pros, like you can still sell him really, really high, right? In a year or two if something gets weird, if he were to get injured, his value could get cut in half immediately. So given your situation with the, with the anchor of Watson's contract that you have this super high pick, maybe it's not the worst thing in the world to just nuke this thing. So I, Cleveland can say whatever they want. My guess is that Miles Garrett ends up getting traded before or right around free agency. This ain't the little itty bitty tiny bowl. This is the Super Bowl 59. Get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 59. Scoring touchdowns is key to hosting the Vince Lombardi trophy. And you have a shot to score big by betting on them at DraftKings Sportsbook, the number one place to bet touchdowns. Ready to place your first bet? Try betting on something simple like a player to score a TD. Go to DraftKings sportsbook app and make your pick new draftkings customers can bet five bucks to get 200 in bonus bets instantly. 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If I was a betting man the way the NFL operates, once they put their mind to something, they usually get it. And I also think their negotiation with the players is pretty easy. It's more money for you. Like it's just another check. It just brings in more revenue. So I would guess the latest was 25. The 2028. We have an 18 game schedule, you know, Goodell says, like, and listen, I they're going to Australia in two years for the first time. They've been to Australia since 1999 and that was a preseason game. All signs point to it being the Eagles, who one of their star players, Jordan, my lotta Australian guy and the Los Angeles Rams. I do think, you know, one theory I had with the NFL is this next whenever they get into business in seven, eight years to re up the television deal, it's clear that TV is going to be dramatically different. Just think about the way that we consume. I know for this, like I watch a lot of cbs, ABC and NBC because I watch football and golf, right, in basketball and I watch sports. But if I didn't, I would even my YouTube TV, I would be much more inclined to just watch Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, whatever it may be, and just watch the shows that they bring to the table. Because I think about when it's not about me, when I get into my bed at night and we go, let's watch something. We do not go to YouTube TV to see what's on any of the channels, right? I wonder what's playing on ESPN tonight. I wonder what's on even just Bravo or whatever shows she would watch. We go to Netflix, we go to Hulu, we go to Paramount plus or Amazon Prime. Now those take shows from some of those networks, obviously, but the NFL's no dummy. They see where all this is trending. So part of going international, because I keep going, like, what's the point if they're not going to move the Jags over to London? Like why are they so dead set on doing this? Well, they want to continue to grow the fan base because guess what? When they sign, they do in the Netflix the couple games right now on Christmas. What about when they sign a package? So every week two games on Sunday, morning and afternoon are on Netflix. Well, where can Netflix broadcast to? All over the world. So they would like people in the uk, they would like people in Australia, they would like people in, you name it, Brazil, Southern America, in Asia to watch the games. So their strategy, again, this is just an educated guess here. The expansion of these games over there is just to build the audience for the streamers. So when they send the Giants and the Jags, even when they send the shitty games over the course of the years, that eventually when Netflix or Apple or whoever gets these packages and it's no longer just on CBS like it is now, those people over there can watch it. Why? Because they have access to Netflix just like you and I do. It's why Jake Paul and Mike Tyson did such massive numbers. It wasn't just dudes in Texas and Los Angeles and Seattle watching. It was a 28 year old dude or 38 year old dude or a 48 year old dude in fucking Australia or in Germany or in San Sebastian in Spain. Like I dropped out. I've been there once. Pretty cool place. Highly recommend it. But that, my point is that I think that's what they're doing here. It's not about putting teams over there, it's about building the audience for the streamers. And that's why he said he wants to start a flag football league that I just wrote. Lol. Start a flag football league. And maybe I'm underestimating it. I know a lot of kids play flag football now. I mean, flag football has always been around. Like when I was in college, intramural football was not tackle as flag was. To see Roger say the flag football thing has just made me laugh. He, he hammered the Brady thing with Fox and the Raiders is a non issue and he was very impressed with how Brady balanced it. I really don't think he cares. The only way that I see it becoming an issue is if other owners make it a big deal. And until they do that, like Roger doesn't care because you get one of the most famous guys in league history on your broadcast, which, whether he's good or bad, it doesn't matter. It's still a positive for the league. He's not that bad, but I mean he's watchable and they clearly just, you know, I think you like having a good relationship with your super superstar players. He claimed that the Chiefs officiating conversation is a ridiculous theory and things on the Internet can grow to a life of their own. He's not wrong. But so yeah, you know Roger, he's. This is a big week for him. This is when this is, you know, in, in the business of the NFL. They have a lot of people that spend a lot of money and obviously the TV partners, you know, this is a huge week for Fox, but also all their beer sponsors, all the people that are a part of their operation that spend a lot of money for the individual teams, this is the week when you bring them and their executive team and their teams that work on the projects for you and you wine and dine them and they get to enjoy and they get the VIP experience. And that's when you hear people say this is a corporate event. That's what they mean as a corporate event. Because the Coors Lights, the Bud Lights, the Verizons, the. You fucking name it, who spend millions of dollars and sign hundred million dollar long term deals with the league. Like this is really about them. And then kind of the two fan bases of the, of the teams. But like the number one goal for the league is to make sure those people have a good time. Chip Kelly, we talked about it yesterday. I was a little, I. Befuddled might be the right word, perplexed. Just don't really see the fit. Think it's a little weird with Pete. And Chip also was a little taken back. The Chip would keep bouncing around, kind of like a NBA player that's just a mercenary. And then I saw that Albert Breer reported that he got $6 million a year and Chip Kelly is now the highest paid coordinator in, in the NFL. People are going to think I'm a hater and there's nothing else I can say to debunk that. But I don't know how your take couldn't be. That is absurd. That is insanity. Vic Fangio, who I think was the highest paid coordinator before this, making a little over $4 million, I would say, Howie, listen, you're going to have to talk to Jeffrey for me because I can't coach super bowl till I make more than Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly's worked in the NFL for four seasons. One of them is the worst season in the history of the San Francisco 49ers. Like literally, statistically the worst season in the history of the franchise. The previous season in Philadelphia, with games left on the schedule, Big Dom had to escort him out of the building. And I get that he just won a national championship with Ohio State, who has like an unlimited great players, who has a receiver that we all agree who's 19 years old would be. I don't know if he'd be the number one overall pick in this draft. Abdul Carter probably still would because he's a defensive end. But this could be a top five pick. They have multiple. They have just star players everywhere. And yeah, their offense is decent. I saw him when he played the Michigan Wolverines. Who, oh, who's their coordinator? Oh yeah, an NFL guy. Wink Martindale beat the Fuck out of him. How does it make any sense? I don't get it. And the other thing, clearly it's not like Chip, just like, I really want to work in the NFL, right, because he's making two and a half million dollars at Ohio State. You know, the average coordinator like him, he's got, you know, some leverage because of, he makes okay, it's like, hey, we'll pay you three, three and a half million dollars. In what world you have to pay him $6 million. So it shows you like, did he really want the job or did you just pay him a three year contract worth $18 million? Like, I can't turn that down. Like, I just think, I think it's crazy. And I applauded the hire with Pete Carroll. Obviously, I love the John Spytek hire. But being forced to give Chip Kelly the highest contract in the history of the NFL, Like I saw Todd Munkin, who. Listen, we can nitpick all we want in these playoff games. In what world, who just signed a new contract could Todd Monkin, as an NFL coordinator, has been doing it for a long time, make less money than Chip Kelly? I would imagine a lot of owners are like, what are we doing here? It's one thing when you give a guy like Spagnola who's done it at the highest level, won you championships. It's all, it's clear, right? Because a lot of coordinators in the NFL are head coaches. So they're in a different bucket. But let's go Spags. If chip Kelly's worth six, what? Spags worth 20? I mean, one of Chip Kelly's flaws when he was in the NFL as a head coach slash offensive coordinator, his teams didn't do that well against physical defenses. They got tossed around. Why? It's a little soft now. You could say the game has changed a little bit since then. Not totally wrong. And Chip has, I would say, continues to attempt to innovate. But $6 million. I feel like right now the Raiders, because they've made so much more money moving to Vegas, they got this influx of cash with Brady and all these venture capitalist guys. This is a place where coaches go to rob them. Like, Mark, you just. How could you go? This is. Listen, I'm not here to medal. Not here to medal. If you wanted to give $6 million to Spagnola, to Kevin O'Connell, to whoever the brightest young coordinator is who's kicking ass, taking names, I could be convinced. But this guy is crazy. I mean, it's insanity. I think Joe Burrow Speaking of money, I think he's trying to kind of go like LeBron on the Bengals. He gave. He was interviewed the other day on Sirius xm and he basically said that I feel like we can retain all of our star players, I. E. Jamar Chase, T. Higgins and Trey Hendrickson. The problem is, and Duke Tobin and the Bengals ownership have talked about, like, we can't pay six guys, all top of the market money. That's not really the way the business works. And they're not totally wrong. And I understand where Joe Burrow is coming from. Like, obviously Chase is going nowhere, but I do not want to lose the other two guys. And if you're Joe Burrow, you definitely don't want to lose to T. Higgins because that impacts you. And you're no dummy. You know how hard it is to find a guy like Hendrickson. I think he's trying to do it, but, like, you know, this is not the NBA and this is a situation where I don't know if it's going to change. You're dealing with an old, stubborn owner. Like, you're dealing with a guy who it was very difficult for him to change with you, and you were a quarterback, and it's clear how hard it is to find that position. I think he'd go, listen, we'll find another T. Higgins. And I don't even know if he's totally wrong on that, because I saw a report today, I think from Jeremy Fowler, the T. Higgins is going to want 30 plus million dollars a year. Well, if he wants 30 plus million dollars a year, what's Jamar Chase going to want? 50. And I saw it last year, like, if the 49ers could do it over, they just would have traded Brandon Iuk before the draft. That would have been the right move. So you got to be very careful with paying your number two wide receiver or the guy giving you number two production. But I do think with Hendrickson, what are you going to do, let that guy walk out of the building? You'd be nuts. I think Joe Burrow is starting to realize, like, guys, I see some of these teams, I mean, I got the Raiders. The fucking Raiders are giving Chip Kelly $6 million a year to call offense. We better figure out how to generate some money here because it used to be like, the Raiders and the Bengals, poorest teams in the league. Well, they ain't the Raiders anymore. So Mike Brown, man, pressure is on. I want to do something new here, and I want to welcome you to chasing challenges. And it's brought to you by my friends at Microsoft and in the NFL, just like in the business world, overcoming obstacles is key to success. Microsoft empowers business decisions maker business decision makers with AI solutions, simplified cloud and data management and trustworthy, responsible technology to turn challenges into opportunities. In this segment, we'll explore some of the biggest challenges being faced in the NFL and how these teams are going to overcome whatever the challenge you're facing, Microsoft empowers you with the expertise to say bring it on. This week we're discussing the challenge faced by by the Eagles and the Chiefs. And the one thing with super bowl week, when I was, you know, when the super bowl came to San Francisco, I was working in radio. So I was working downtown San Francisco. I was immersed that week, radio row and everything. And I was doing stuff on local television. So I was just seeing the players on Monday, Tuesday all over the city. And I remember not really seeing the Broncos. I didn't see them anywhere. And I saw the Panthers everywhere. I mean I remember just running into players like on the corner of streets. They were just enjoying the experience, like made it to the Super Bowl. What an incredible accomplishment. And I think it's very, very difficult for certain players, especially young players, to not be, I would say overwhelmed by the experience. Now luckily both these teams, I mean the Chiefs win it every year. So the Mahomes, the Chris Jones, The Kelsey's, the McDuffies, I mean they got a lot, even some of their younger players. But what about like Jalen Carter, Xavier Worthy, the Eagles, new draft picks, Quinon, Mitchell, Right. I mean these guys, even though these were blue chip first round players, Jalen Carter's won a, an NCAA championship. I think he's 1 2. Xavier Worthy was just in the college football playoffs. They have been to a high level of football with a lot of hoopla around it. But there's nothing like this, there's nothing like this week because it's two weeks and you spend all week there and really Monday you practice a little bit and I'm recording this before the thing tonight you go to the quote unquote media night, which is, you know, changed a little bit over the years, but still just a, just a lot of hoopla and just a lot going on on that thing. And then you get Tuesday off and you get moments to kind of just do whatever you want to do. And this is New Orleans. Like there is a lot to do there. And you got family, you got cousins, you got a lot of people in your life and you're going to have to lean. If you're the Eagles, obviously the coaches can tell you whatever they want and you're going to need the Lane Johnson's, the Brandon Grahams, you know those guys because Kelsey and Fletcher Cox are gone now. You know when they made it last time they had a really, really veteran team. Now they're pretty dependent on some very young players, right? I mean Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Mitchell, Cooper, DeJean, I mean these are clearly elite players. But this week to focus it on football and as Pat Riley says, make the main thing the main thing. Keep the main thing the main it can be difficult. Put yourself in those shoes if you're Xavier worthy. It's easy for Mahomes and Travis Kelsey and these guys are winner, lose. They're already legends. Like I'm in the Super Bowl. Like this is freaking sweet. Probably invite some of your boys, fight your family, whoever who wants to come. Let's roll. So I think it's a big challenge just to keep everyone focused. It's not easy on the coaches, on the players, on the veteran guys. But at the end of the day, like this is the pros and as a player, like it is somewhat on you to try to drown out the noise, kind of keep the tunnel vision. It's much easier said than done. So very, very interested to see how you know the young players like what the teams do to kind of keep those guys locked in. So that's it for this week's chasing challenges. Remember Microsoft's AI solution empower you to take bold steps and make informed decisions, sparking new ideas to help drive your business forward. With Microsoft as your trusted partner, you can navigate your journey with confidence, finding innovative solutions and reaching new possibilities. Visit Microsoft.com challengers to learn something more. When it comes to cybersecurity, ThreatLocker delivers a radically different approach to securing your endpoints. Instead of trying to detect the undetectable, you start by identifying what applications you trust in your environment with Threat Locker allow listing. Then control how these trusted applications interact using ThreatLocker ring fencing solution to further the security of your network. To keep bad actors out, deny them by default. Visit threatlocker.com to see how you can keep your organization safe from cyber threats.
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new Punch podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it and the. The heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest. It was a little pink.
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John Middlekauff
There was something sentimental when you, when, when you send it, it's like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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John Middlekauff
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Justin Pennock
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week, on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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John Middlekauff
Okay, let's do a little Middle cough. Mailbag at John Middlekopf. At John Middlekopf. Is the Instagram fire in those dms. I actually just saw before I hopped on that the Rams will try to trade Cooper cup this offseason, AKA in the next month, basically at the combine. I think the problem. And you see this happen with a lot of older veteran players who make A lot of money, but no longer produce to that salary is they're not really a tradable player. And this is a guy who's battled injuries. Super high character, hard worker, still blocks his ass off. But in terms of he makes $20 million next season and he's just not a $20 million player at this point. It doesn't mean that he can't have a bounce back year. But we see this song and dance every single off season like they're going to have to cut him. Cooper cup is going to be cut and then you know he's going to sign for way less than $20 million and someone's going to hope that they can catch lightning in a bottle. He has a big season, he stays healthy. But based on his salary, he just, I don't see how he's a tradable asset even for teams like, like the Patriots who are going to want like the jets, all these teams, we get new coaches, the Raiders that are going to want like high character, winning players, dudes that are about the right shit, practice their ass off. Kind of set the tone. I don't know if I can pay $20 million for that. So I think he's just going to get cut now. Maybe those teams can overpay him once he's released. But you know, Cooper Cups the first of many guys coming down the line here that are just not going to be on their teams. Listen to the latest mailbag. Dune is badass. Definitely check it out. Actually might. I'm flying to New Orleans in the morning. Maybe I'll download that on my, on the old iPad. I probably should read a book. You know, I always tell myself I bring a book. I got a book right now that's been in my kind of laptop book bag carrying case thing, you know, that goes on your shoulder that like mature adults are supposed to wear. It basically just sits on my, on my floor in my office the whole time. But I've had this book, never split the difference. It's like a negotiating book in there for like three years. And every time I'm like this time I'm gonna read on the plane and then I just end up watching like four episodes of some stupid show. Question for the mailbag. Every year in the NFL, things happen that are totally unexpected. Darnold is good. Washington goes to the NFC championship. Dallas sucks. The niners suck in 2025. What are some crazy things you could see happen that would blindside the NFL fans and media would be a better question for July and August. But Wanted to put this on your radar. I do think it's difficult to do this like in February because Cooper Cup's a good example. The amount of players that get cut before free agency that are just big names is pretty high. And then we will see massive trades, right? Like who is going to trade for Miles Garrett? Does he get traded? Like, what happens? You know, and then obviously the quarterbacks that get drafted and move teams. So I hear what you're saying. I think it's just way too early to even think about one thing. You know, you learn following the league and working the league and just talking about football nonstop. It's so cliche when coaches say this is like every year is a new year. Every team when the season starts is different from the previous years. And they say that not because, like, yeah, Mahomes Kelsey, like a lot of guys are saying you get a lot of turnover, you know, depending on how good and bad your team is. I mean you're getting 15, 20, 30%. I mean some of these teams, I mean the jets, some of the bad teams, the Raiders, there could be massive, massive purges. So I think it's just really hard to do that right now. But I appreciate it. We'll definitely, we're going to need some content in the summer, so we will do that as well. A lot of people are asking me, you know, I'm a big golf better. You've always just hit the Rory bet over the weekend. You know, I haven't been. We haven't been doing the go low pod. We'll start that after super bowl week or within the next couple weeks for sure. But who I'm gambling on because I do gamble on golf. I do like Scotty Scheffler this week. Now you get him, he's like three and a half, four to one on DraftKings. Some other guys that I like is like top tens and twenties. Tom Kim, younger guy who is on Tiger's team in the tgl. He's pretty electric young kid, kind of small, doesn't hit that long, is actually getting longer in distance. He's a really good player and to me he's kind of a bright lights. He's good in the President's Cup. Like I like him a lot this weekend. Top 20, top 10 if you want to sprinkle and get aggressive. Top 5 top, you know, to win it. But to me, listen, Scottish odds are pretty bad. He's won this tournament before. I play this course a lot. It's tailor made for him in Pebble. He's coming off ripping his hand open and he still finished like tied for eighth or seventh. He'll be. He'll be fine. So Tom Kim the gala are a couple guys I like as top tens and twenties. Had to download the redownload the gram. After two years of not dming you reemphasize your belief on not taking a top wide receiver over the line of scrimmage. I wholeheartedly agree. Playing armchair GM when Pete took Witherspoon at 5 over Carter. I agreed at the time given the character. But is this just overthinking it? If he had done that, we could have moved up for nix the next year instead of taking Byron Murphy. Murphy is good, but he's not Carter. Even if we took Paris Johnson the year after we took cross the left tackle feels like the Hawks and John are not emphasizing a need. We get desperate. Four years, good backers, good secondary, elite pass catchers and back. Obviously need a quarterback for the future, but it's so hard to get one. Please give me help. Let me say this. I think when you factor in character and you factor in off the field stuff, that's a curveball. So like they took Witherspoon, who went healthy, is a really, really good player. I can't fault you for Pete Carroll not being comfortable with the player. He had taken flyers before on guys. You know, Pete's pretty liberal when it comes to like judging people's character. I mean, they have taken some serious flyers and some of them worked. You know, I mean, early on he got Marshawn for a fourth. That worked out really well and it was good fit for him. But they've also had some Percy Harvins. They've had some. Remember Malik McDowell? I mean you, you would because you're a fan, but very huge red flag. Did was a bad situation. So I think Pete Carroll understands how important drafting Jalen Carter. But it's like he didn't trust the person and given where their franchise was, he didn't think they were equipped to handle it. I think if it's lob, he brings them in with Richard Sherman and that crew. So I, I think if he had passed on like Jalen. I don't think he passed on Jalen Carter. If he's just a normal character guy. If he hadn't been in a car accident where multiple people died and left the scene and then had to leave the combine to check himself into jail, you know, I think I give you. I give Pete Carroll a pass on that one Mailbag. Theoretically, if you Were a commissioner and you were able to cut the number of NBA games in half and only have 40, do you think that would solve a lot of the problems that the NBA has? Players sitting out, not carrying games, feeling insignificant? I just don't think you can really play that game. We do that a lot with baseball and basketball. Their sports, their sport. Like you play a lot of games in baseball and basketball starting in college. In college basketball, you play two to three games a week. College baseball, you play Tuesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. You know, a huge part of those sports. You play a ton at a, at a young age. You know, football, everyone tries to mimic or copy football in terms of the setup of the lack of games. If football could play 50 games, they would. You just physically can't. I mean, it's. We're stretching at 18, so I think we always do play less major league baseball games, play less NBA games. I don't know if that's going to change. I hear a lot of people go, go from 82 to 70. Okay then guys are still going to sit out. So I hear what you're saying, but I think that's a little overrated. Longtime listener, lifelong Notre Dame fan, we obviously had an incredible run, but I can't help but notice that the Irish never seem to have top tier, explosive wide receivers. There are some obvious outliers, but compared to other elite programs, we never seem to land the big name. What will it take to start bringing in those top tier guys? Should Notre Dame focus more nil on wideouts? Or is Marcus Freeman build a strong enough culture to stay the course with tough defense and an incredibly good run game to win an addie? Who are your outliers? Golden Tate, Chase, Claypool? I think it's difficult because, you know, for the most part, I would say when you think Notre Dame, you don't think sweet wide outs and sweet DBs, right? But you're able to get really good defensive linemen in. I think you have to look at it from an academic standpoint. You have high academic standards. So when Stanford was really good under Harbaugh and David Shaw, they didn't have that many sweet wide receivers either. Doug Baldwin, you know, Sherman was a wide receiver, moved a corner, but they won. Exactly like Marcus Freeman's plan. Get a great quarterback, dominate the line of scrimmage and be tougher. So I think that's just kind of the way. Unless you're going to move like you have no, like Ohio State has no academic standards or LSU or Georgia to get a player into school if you're good enough, I'm getting you into school. Period, point blank, end of story. You guys have them, and if I was a fan, I'd be like, can we throw them away for some players? And clearly they don't. You know, when Brian Kelly said that I'm leaving to go to LSU because I think I can win a national championship there, he was simply saying the academic requirements are lower. That's all he was saying. He can't say that out loud, but that's what he was saying. I can get anyone I want into school. I couldn't do that. Notre Dame, which. How much longer are we even going to play this game? Where school even factors in, it's probably coming to an end. What team do you think would be ideal for Belichick to return to the NFL? Personally, I think it's the Bengals. Taylor might be on his way out if the Bengals miss the playoffs next year. And Bill has a history of doing more with less on special teams and defense, since the Bengals are allergic to spending big money on anyone not named Burrow and Chase. We'll see on that one. You know, my hot take is going to be, I don't think Bill ever comes back. I think if Bill of success this year, and success for Bill could be, I don't know, 9 and 3, but it just gains momentum and it looks like he's got something there. I think I could just see him doing that. His kids there, his buddy Mike Lombardi's there. I just. If I was a betting man, I would bet on Bill being there for three or four years. I really would. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm ignorant, but my. If it goes well, I could see Bill Belichick being there. Now, what if it goes bad? What if he goes 6 and 6? Is he still desirable? I mean, probably is, but there is a chance that his Belichick's name diminishes a little bit if they were to not have a good season. It's hard to even know. Like, I mean, I don't follow college football recruiting well enough. And it's so hard to even tell because guys change rosters all the time. Like this team. Good. Who's his quarterback? Like what? And who knows? I mean, we'll find out. Spring ball. And who are his coaches? Who are his coaches? They keep pushing back on that. It's like, well, do you have a staff? I know he's hired some guys. What does it take for the bills to fire McDermott next year? I. I Think Sean would have to pull like a Zach Taylor and miss the playoffs if they continue to be the number two seed and make it to the AFC Championship game? Like you're gonna fire the guy. Just. I just don't see it happening. They have the same season. They do win the AFC east with ease and then rattle off a couple playoff victories. I know we act like it's devastating, but he's losing to Mahomes. He's losing to Mahomes and Andy Reid. It's like he's out coached. Of course he is. Andy Reid's a better coach. Who's out coaching Andy Reid? Not John Harbaugh. Like who's out coaching him? I don't see anyone out coaching him. Maybe Sean Payton or Jim Harbaugh could in a playoff game if they had a good enough team. But those guys are better than Sean McDermott. It's like. And you're not getting either one of those guys. They got jobs. So who are you hiring? Elevate Joe Brady, the guy that was running quarterback sneaks in the line of scrimmage. I just don't see your options. I mean, I really don't. I have a question for the podcast. What are your thoughts on the Cowboys hire of Schottenheimer? The Seahawks had him as an offensive coordinator for three years and in my opinion he was terrible and doesn't seem like a player friendly coach or a guy that is respected by players. It just seems to me that his hire as a head coach was a lack of options by an out of touch owner who impulsively hired him. And since the Cowboys blew a chance at good coaching by waiting a good coaching hire by waiting, why wouldn't Jerry have waited a little longer to get Kellen Moore? I just think he would have been a better fit for the Cowboys having experience in the organization. Thing I'll say about the players is a bunch of Cowboys showed up to his press conference and they were all hugging him after. And main one being Dak. And it's pretty clear like Dak is pretty highly respected in that organization. So I don't know if I could agree with you on the player standpoint. Now I don't know anyone with the Cowboys, so it's not like I'm speaking beside side information just based on what I've seen. But I think a big reason that they hired him is they thought the players really liked him. I think that was a driving force is they felt like obviously Jerry can control him and he's relatively cheaper. But like the players, like Him. I don't think he's hired if the, if Dak Prescott and the players are not on board. But yeah, I mean it's, it's an underwhelming kind of out of left field. If I would have told you December 1st that Brian Schottenheimer is going to be their next coach, I don't think anyone would have believed you. How do you view Kingsbury as a head coach in the next hiring cycle? As a Cardinal fan, I felt he had restraints on fully running the offense he is running now with the Commanders. He also has more connections in the league now to build a staff as I felt his position coaches were weak when he was with the cards. 2. As an NFL scout, were you responsible or partially responsible for finding a diamond in the rough? I think that's fair. Maybe Cliff has grown. Maybe his knowledge of knowing guys in the NFL now is, is much wider given his time spent as an NFL coach and now as an assistant. He's just got a better quarterback, so the offense looks better for sure. He had a really good year. I mean he was definitely one of the standout coordinators in the NFL, especially non head coach coordinator. And most, you know, so many of the hot offensive coordinators are also head coaches. But of just the pure offensive coordinators, he was easily one of the best in the NFL. I think with the Internet, the diamond in the rough thing is something like from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s. I just think the Internet and the technology now has kind of changed the game. Like if you run a 4:2 at some little pro day that one scout is at, that information gets out, you know, and it gets. Every team has access to that. If you lead Division 3 as like the all time leading tackler or you know, you have a 25 touchdown, there's just no way to hide. I think that is a term that is pretty outdated. I think when you see guys drafted higher than others, we have a different grade on you. But I think it is very, very rare for a player to be drafted that every team in the league does not have draft grades on which to me a diamond in the rough in like the 80s there would be guys drafted that other teams would have never heard. That does not happen anymore. So I guess it's a long way. I think it's kind of over. I mean look at college football. I think it used to happen a lot in college football. Now with the expansion of rivals in the Internet, you know, if you get one offer even if you're not like a Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Guy, what if I just get offered from San Diego State, then other teams in my conference pay attention, then they might offer you. And then the teams on the lower end of the power four start paying attention. Like, who's this guy? And it's just a trickle of, you know, down effect. So it's like. It's like a domino. And I think it's just. I think the world's changed with that. And I think most people in the NFL would agree there is really no such thing as a diamond in the rough now. There is, in the sense that we believed in this guy. Everyone thought he was an undrafted free agent. They laughed at us. We took him in the fifth round and he became a tenure starter. Like, that happens. But I don't think it happens. If we took this guy in the sixth round, half the league was like, who the fuck is Billy Middlekopf? You're like, oh, this guy's playing at Arizona Tech. Like, Arizona Tech. What division is that? Oh, Division 4. Where'd you find this guy? Oh, this. Couple guys told me about him. Like, those days are over. Question for the mailbag. With the allegations against Justin Tucker, if the Ravens had won the AFC and were preparing for the super bowl, how do you think they would handle the situation? Stand him down for the game or drag out the process and say they're doing an investigation and let him play and deal with it in the off season? It's a good question. I mean, we. Obviously, it's a hypothetical we don't know the answer to. And, I mean, beside the headlines, I haven't really paid that much attention to it. I saw, you know, the allegations came out, Justin Tucker came back, hard rebuttal, and then more allegations came. I think your equity, you know, Justin Tucker's been on the team for what, a decade? Longer than that. So his equity with Harbaugh, with the owner, with DaCosta, he's 35 years old. He joined the Ravens in 2012. So he's been on the team 14, 15 years. So I would say those. John Harbaugh, a former special teams coach, would have a pretty good feel for him as a guy. And the equity. And listen, you don't know everything the guy's doing outside the building, but you got a pretty good idea. Like, all these teams have legit security, and they follow these guys and word gets out. So it's like, do you trust them? And it's just a he said, she said. So there's no way, like, you can prove any of it, but if you have no Other information saying that he's guilty and he's telling you he's innocent and he's been on your team for well over a decade. I would say he's one of the more definitive special teams players of my lifetime. In terms of this guy you can name, like, who's one of the great special teams, who are the best kickers you've ever seen. Like, his name comes up pretty fast. So if they trust him, which I don't, you know, your guess as good as mine, what they actually feel about him, I clearly don't not like him. I don't. I don't know necessarily about this issue, but my guess is he would play if he's taken the stance, if I've done nothing and they. They would take his word for it. Would be my. Would be my educated guess of following football. A lot of you guys hit me with the wind on this, the name for the fans. And I was thinking about, you know, a lot of you guys are firing in the dms, like the Outlaws, the Outliers, the Click, the posse, the cough squad, the cough crew, all sorts of stuff. The coffers made me laugh. One I did not hate was crew. My crew with a K. I do think it has to be one word. It doesn't have to be football related either, but I think it does have to pop off the tongue. And I used the Jim Rome one when I was young. The clones, it just. The clones, it just. It just kind of works. You know, I think ending with an S helps the clones. You know, Portnoy calls the stoolies. Called it forever. I think, you know, some of these, like the punt, the punt team. Right. Or the whatever. I think it's hard when it's like a statement. This one's not terrible, the mailman. But I. I do think it has to. I think when it ends in S, it's a little bit better. Don't hate the mailman. I do. Like the cough crew. Or just the crew with K. You could make hatch. Anyone that knows, like, those golfing hats that have, like, the letters K, R, E, W. I think that would actually look kind of sick. But, yeah, keep firing those in. Again, I. I'm crowdsourcing this. Open to ideas. Open to a lot of different ideas. I do think one word is. Is very important to get it to stick. Then like a statement, like the punting unit. I just. I don't hate the idea. Like, I know where I appreciate everyone firing in those ideas. I just don't think it really works. Again, could be wrong. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but yeah, I'm gonna go ahead to have dinner. Everyone have a great day and we'll talk soon. See you. The Volume Time and time again, detection based cybersecurity solutions have failed to stop ransomware. It's time to rethink your posture. Threat Locker offers a zero trust approach to endpoint protection that stops ransomware before it strikes. 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Bobby Bones
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Justin Pennock
What's up everyone? It's Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week. On Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad.