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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - NFL trades vs. NBA trades, Chip Kelly goes to the Raiders, Cam Newton on his MVP
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So whether you prefer to unwind on the couch or on the treadmill, Amex is ready to reward you. Learn more@americanexpress.com US Explore bcp terms apply the volume what is going on everybody? This is John Middle Cop. That'd be me three now podcast. That'd be the show coming to you live from my house. This not New Orleans yet. Going in a couple days. So we'll be in New Orleans. Good week. We got New Orleans. We got super bowl. We got 60 more minutes left of football. We got the waste management here in my backyard, which I might have to get out to on Friday. So we got a lot going on out here in the streets. A lot of NBA trades. I mean one of the crazier trades you'll ever see. I do want to relate that Luca trade to some NFL stuff. Why? It takes balls to win in the NFL. Like in any sport, you got to make big moves and sometimes they backfire and sometimes you hit a home run. And I also think some of the question marks when it comes to his conditioning. Obviously one of the great young players we've ever seen. Luca that is doesn't really happen in football right now and I think we're very lucky. Chip Kelly is the new offensive coordinator for the Raiders. Want to dive into that little weird. Cam Newton had some comments last week about the MVP I also wanted to dive into. So we will have a. We'll have shows all week. I'm traveling. I probably won't really impact us at all. At least I don't plan on missing any. We love Stuckey later in the week. I'm recording with them I think on Monday to do some props and bets and bang those out. Other than that, we'll do a mailbag on this show as well. At John Middlekop. At John Middlekop is the Instagram fire in those dms. Get your questions answered here on the show. If you listen on Collins feed, make sure you subscribe to three now, our own podcast feed. If you like watching videos, we got a little thing called the YouTube channel so you can go check that out as well. 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And obviously if you were awake on Saturday night, as I was, I was actually in bed when I my phone blew up and I, I grabbed the iPad that was probably 10ft away from me and I just started scrolling. I was like this is insane. And the NBA trade that still as I'm recording this little under 24 hours later is just something if you like sports. And I don't follow the NBA nearly as closely as I once did. Same thing for baseball. I used to watch the Giants play every single night. I watched probably five or six straight years. Every game the warriors played. And for most of my life, I watched NBA games Tuesdays, Thursdays, on the weekend. I just don't consume the product the same now. I still follow the stories and I'm a sucker for transactions. And I think the best part about, like the one thing, the experience I had working in football and now doing this is I know, like, the conversations are the same. When you work in a building for a team, you're BSing about potential trades and potential moves and potential guys on your team. Is this guy the right fit? Is this guy a good guy? Is this someone to build around? Like the business of pro sports is? Do you want to get into business with this guy for $200 million? Do you want to get into business with this guy for $100 million? That's what companies all around America talk about all the time. Do we want to acquire this? Well, what's the cost? And in pro sports, you're just dealing with human beings. And in the NBA, a guy like Lucas, $350 million. In the NFL, a guy like Brock Purdy, potentially $200 million. So if you are not having serious long conversations about everything that goes into this, you're not doing your job. And sometimes as a fan, it's a little more on the surface and like it was impossible to not have some thoughts and takes when something like that happens. But you're constantly discussing that on the inside. And the difference is if you're a GM or a coach is like, you can talk to other people that have decision making power and run things, some things by them, like, would you be interested in this? It's about to happen at the combine in a month. The amount of conversations that go down at the combine would blow people's socks off of things that never get done. And a lot of players, if they found out, like, damn, you threw my name out there. Yeah, most names are thrown out there. There's probably under 5 to definitely less than 10% of players that never get thrown around. And honestly, the number is probably under five. Most players at times just get discussed. It could just be over coffee, it could be over a cocktail, it could be over a stake with a fellow gm, with a fellow coach, with a fellow decision maker. And I, I think, you know, moves in sports really define your career as someone in the front office. And obviously this move for the Dallas Mavericks and their guy Nico is going to define his career. If Luca, like he thinks is going to stay fat and injured, he'll look like a genius, right? Especially if he goes on to Continue to have success if Luka keeps maintaining what he's been doing and the Lakers do what the Lakers do, win a lot, which pains me to say it, he's going to look like a. And I think when you look at these two NFL teams in the super bowl, like, I. It's not random. They're here and it's not by accident. And it also wasn't by, like, without taking some massive, massive swings. I think we take for granted these two quarterbacks, especially Patrick, because he's been starting for so long, how we got here. Like, think about the Cowboys, not all the stuff going on with Jerry and the coach. I'm just their quarterback. Dak Prescott. It is easy to just sustain with Dak Prescott. You can just do it over and over and over again. And listen, we'll criticize, be like, ah, you probably. It's like more often than not, if you do a decent job building your team, you're going to compete for a playoff spot and make the playoffs a lot. But we know you're not winning anything in the playoffs, right? And the Chiefs, who had a very, very consistent player, who had a very high floor but a pretty low ceiling, were just good. Every single year they were rattling off playoff bursts, I think. Was it 5 out of 6 or 4 out of 5 of the years with Alex Smith, they made the playoffs. They only won one playoff game. Look at the Cowboys, only won one playoff game with Dak Prescott over the last however many years. But it's like, hey, we're just, we're going to the playoffs every year. And even the year that they traded up for Patrick Mahomes, they had made the playoffs the previous year. That's why they had to trade up so far. It's not like they were some shitty team. Like, that took some balls. I think it's easy to go. Of course they did that. What if that didn't work? What if that thing blew up in their face? Because I'll give you an example of one where it did. TREY Lance, the 49ers had something. It was just kind of working with Jimmy Garoppolo. I would say Alex was a better player, but it was like every year you were competitive, you were making the playoffs. Hell, Jimmy, like took the team to super bowl and they took a huge swing and it blew up in their face. Somehow the football guys just God's handed him Brock Purdy. Look at the Chiefs, they went, you know, Tyreek Hill, who's one of the greatest wide receivers of all time, were winning with him. At a super high clip. He's uncoverable. Like, yeah, we're gonna punt on this guy. We're just gonna punt people. Like, are you sure, Andy? Are you sure? I mean, that took balls. That took freaking stones, you know? So when you look at the Chiefs, you just go, well. And he's one of the greatest coaches ever. Veach is a really good evaluator. They have made a couple moves along the way. Two specific ones, the transition to Alex and then obviously punting on Tyreek Hill. They took some big cojones. And I would say the same thing about Howie. And we've touched on this over the last couple weeks. It's easy to say now, like, Jalen fell right in their lap. Now he gets credit because he had a high pick even though his team was good because of all those trades he had made the previous year. And I think he made one with the Saints. But like, that was a ballsy pick. Just like it's easy to go after the fact. Well, it's like, God, everyone should have known Warren Sapp was going to be an all time great. It's like, God, Randy Moss, no brainer. A lot of teams had major red flags on those guys. So it's easy to go after the fact and be like, damn, they got this guy with pick 12, with pick 24. It's like, yeah, they got him there for a reason. And Jalen Carter was easily the best player in the draft. Easily. So it's easy to go. And listen, I'm guilty of this too. Like the Falcons, man, they really fucked up. They should have pulled the trigger on them. Well, it's like, I bet they were terrified to draft them. Hell, the Eagles probably were. I mean, a little scared. And they took a pretty big flyer on the guy. Now they felt good about their infrastructure, but like, this could have blown up in their face. Instead they have one of the best defensive players on their roster and a lot like Patrick Mahomes, I guess it's a little different because Alex was much more consistent. But like they drafted Carson Wentz really, really high and then they paid him a lot of money and then it got weird and they didn't hesitate to punt. But when they punted and they traded him to a first round pick, which sounds crazy now to the Colts, pretty ballsy going with Jalen. That wasn't just some no brainer, like, this thing is going to work out. I was wrong. I thought he was a running back. And listen, we can nitpick them all we want. That wasn't just the right move. They've clearly got one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL and a guy they've proven they can win with. So it's like these two teams are here and everyone goes well. Really good, you know, really good coaching stabs. And obviously Andy's an all time great. You know how he's one of the best general managers. It's just like they got a ton of talent. Like, yeah, how did they do this? Like, how did they get there? Like, listen, you're going to call me a Laker hater. They just benefit. They're the Lakers and people just want to go there. And for whatever reason they're like, yeah, we'll just take Anthony Davis, who's 31 also gets injured all the time for your 25 year old. Five time straight, all NBA first team. Yeah, it's like, what? What? Like that's the easiest trade you're ever going to make for the Lakers. There has never been a trade for such a great player that has been an easier. Yes. Than the one the Lakers said. That is not the case with when they pulled the trigger for Jalen Carter or when they made the trade for Patrick Mahomes. And listen, clearly they nailed that one. And Veach had a lot of conviction and Andy and those guys liked him a lot. There's no guarantee you're trading all the way up here. You're going to have Alex Smith and then you're going to punt on him after the year. And even the year they punted on him, even the year they punted on him, like he just had the best year of his career based on one game in practice. Like, I, I think it's always easy. And people do this a lot in business. Like, well, if I would have known, you know, after the 2008 crash that homes were going to go up as much as they did, I would have, I wish I would have, I wish I would have bought like three piece of property. Yeah, some people just did it. You know, it's like, God, if I would have known the video would have gone up by 100x. I wish I would. Well, some people did and some people actually put their capital and some people did put their risk on the table and it's like that's what these guys do. And Andy has a long history of this. Howie, these guys love risk and they take big swings and they've hit on, you know, Nico Harrison can pray to God that he hits on like this half as well as they did on theirs. And the other thing is to The Luca trade is there's a lot of stuff coming out about Luca being fat that this year he played at 270 pounds. I actually watched more basketball the last on Friday and Saturday night than I probably have beside Clay's return to the warriors most of the year. I watched the fourth quarter of the Denver Sixers game on Friday night, and then I watched the second half of the Laker Knicks game. And you look at Jokic, who's easily. I mean, I think there's a wide gap. The best player in the NBA, he's kind of fat. But you know what? It doesn't matter. He dominates. Kind of fat, might be strong, he's just not shredded. He doesn't look like your typical great NBA player, Right? He doesn't have muscle definition. But I watch him do whatever he wants on anyone. Now, the thing with Luca is, like, clearly they have concerns about his durability because of his weight. And this is what we talked about. When you invest hundreds of millions of dollars into someone, and in the NFL, it's quarterbacks, the last thing I ever want to worry about is anything with you off the field. So when it comes to character, how you live your life, how you treat people who you're married to, who you're dating, how you just operate outside the facility matters to me. I better have 100%, never worry about you vibes. And then all the intangible stuff. When it comes to football, you better check every box. Work ethics, study habits, drive, whatever it takes. I'll never forget when I saw Veech, I went to the. Many of you probably weren't listening, but I went to the 2020 Super bowl week in Miami. It was Chiefs, Niners, and I had Veech on the show. I went to where they were staying, and me and Veech were BSing a little bit, and it was right. That was the off season where they were going to pay Patrick. And he was telling me, like, after they had won the AFC Championship game, which was his first win, he's like, I get in the office the next day. Obviously, you know, it's their first super bowl appearance, him and Andy together. And I got there like 6:15, and Mahomes is already there watching the tape on his iPad in the training room. Like, I. I don't think he gets enough credit for, like, the work ethic, football drive, study habits. Like, it's elite. He's not doing this by accident. Like, think Manning, think Brady, think Breeze. That's him, you know, And I think when you look at the other couple Top guys, Allen and Lamar, There aren't any question marks with those guys. No one goes, I wonder how seriously this guy takes football. If you watch the hard knocks with Baltimore, John Harbaugh, I think, was it the Steeler game or it might have been the second week for the Bills game, one of their first two weeks, they were going to practice inside. And sometimes cold weather teams, they're used to the cold, so they're not worried about playing outside. They want to practice inside to get stuff done. You're just able to be so much more efficient inside. You know, your guys can play in outdoors. And Lamar, like, raises hand or looks at John like, no, I want to, let's practice outside. I want to feel it. I want everyone to feel it. Like their football character is elite. And I think, you know, you look at Zion, he's fat and lazy, doesn't even like basketball, which to me, the NBA has this broken business model because you get paid no matter what. When you're a high pick guy and you show any signs of life, no matter what happens in the NFL, that's not what happens. That is not what happens at all. I've seen a lot of people go on rants I saw Colin had one about brawny, but just how the NBA can be unserious sometimes, right? Like, Luca deserves huge contracts. Jokic, Giannis, LeBron, Steph. And then there are guys like Zion. He got what he's getting. How much he getting paid? Like, what are we doing? And I think in the NFL, for you to get paid, you got to produce and you also got to be a good guy and you also got to be a football junkie. It's pretty rare. And listen, I, I, I know more guys on good teams than I do bad teams. But I would say pretty consistent theme of all the successful squads, they pay guys who are football addicts. And I think we're pretty lucky. And I've said this for a long time, I can't Even imagine being 25, 26 and someone giving you hundreds of millions of dollars. The maturity that all these guys shows. Think how good you feel if you're a Bengal fan, how much he gives a fuck. You know, he will. The season was going, it couldn't have been going any worse. Early on, like, this guy's laying on the line for me and he's not just doing it, like randomly. He's approaching it like, every game's the Super Bowl. And like, listen, I don't think they're right on trading this guy because they have concerns about his fat, he's 25 years old, but like, there are none of the concerns, you know, if he's a top two or three player in the NBA, that's essentially Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Joe Burrow. There aren't concerns with any of those guys in terms of their conditioning, how much they like it, how hard they play. The other knock, he plays no defense. It's a fact. Doesn't play any defense right now in football, when you play quarterback or you play linebacker, you don't play offense or you don't play defense. But still, like, you either give it all or you don't. And I think the NFL is very, very lucky that the cream of their crop at quarterback. And honestly, even the second and third tier guys, pretty high level guys, when you look at the Jared Goffs, look at Jalen hurts. We can nitpick him sometimes, like, you know, not great from within the pocket. And that's, that's a fair criticism. No one has ever said, you know what Jalen, he just, I don't know if he's in the football, I don't know if he's working out hard enough. I don't know if he's preparing well enough. The only criticism I've ever heard is like, you know, we'd like him to be a little more vocal, right? Yell at guys. But it wasn't because, you know, he doesn't know what's going on. The Jared Goffs, the Dax, even the Tuas, you know, Purdy's about to get paid. Trevor Lawrence, like, listen, some guys might be better than others, but no one, that's the thing with Trevor Lawrence, like, how much does he like it? And I think it's kind of fair because you watch him, you know, I watch the NFL and you go, this guy giving me everything he has. Then you watch him, you're like, I don't know, does he love it? I think it's a fair criticism. The other, the other great part about the NFL is when you like the Bills, even if you never win a Super bowl with Josh Allen, you know that Josh Allen's going to be your quarterback no matter what. You know, even if you never win a Super bowl with Lamar Jackson, you know what, you know, Lamar Jackson is going to be on the team for as long as essentially you want him on the team, especially in the prime of his career. When you think about how often elite quarterbacks get traded in their prime never happens. Think about Aaron Rodgers, one of the greatest players of all time, got traded like 38, 39 years old. We thought the Russell Wilson trade was crazy. It turns out like his prime was over. It was done. DeSean Watson traded for a reason. Didn't want him. Adios. 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He also interviewed with The Raiders in 2024 for Antonio Pierce and that was at the time when he was interviewing everywhere trying to jump ship and get away from ucla. I have two reactions on this one. Isn't that kind of sad? What has happened to one of the most famous coaches of the last 25 years? When you look at other guys who have been discussed like him, Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, you know, Lane Kiffin, Lincoln Riley, even. But even NFL coaches, right, they don't just become coordinators and then just start bouncing around. It's a little bizarre. And at one point in time, and I worked for the Eagles, there was not a bigger star in the coaching world. There really was not. And for what's happened to his career, then he goes to UCLA and he just hates it. And listen, he's got a lot of friends in the media and they're all like, it's a shitty job. It's tough to deal with. Yeah, it's not perfect. It ain't Ohio State. But then he leaves to go to Ohio State and you're like, oh, that's his guy. And he just leaves again to go to the Raiders. At least when you went to Ohio State, you go, well, he's getting two and a half million dollars. They recruit by far the best players in the country. And they basically said, chip, you don't need to recruit. It's like, pretty good gig. You go to the Raiders, it's like, well, they got no quarterback, their offensive line sucks. They have no wide receivers, and they got one good tight end. It's like, this is. This is what you're going to do. Like, you really just hate recruiting that much because this does not seem like a good situation for you. I also think this is a little weird, right? It's one thing when you take a step down, like he did from UCLA to go to Ryan Day. That was a guy that he coached when he was at New Hampshire. That was a guy who worked for him in Philly and in San Francisco. Like, they have, like a father, son bond. So it was going to work. I don't mean on the field. I just mean personalities. Now he's going to go to Pete Carroll, who, listen, isn't like Mike Vrabel Belichick yelling at you. Much more of an upbeat guy, but still, like, big ego. Well, Chip's got a massive ego, too. Feels like a little bit of a weird fit. And in theory, like, what does Pete Carroll want to do? Run the ball. That's what he wants to do. Run the ball. And that's what, in theory, Chip likes to do, too. But you're not going to run the ball with this operation. I'm pretty sure the Raiders last year were one of the Worst running teams, like, the history of the NFL. I think it's a weird fit, and I think it's just kind of sad. What, you know, the way his career has gone relative to the rest of his peers. He's kind of turned into, like, an NBA player, just bouncing around. It's like, what are we doing here? So I think the hire is just weird. I really do. And I'm pro Pete Carroll. And I'm pro John Spitek. I think it was smart to bring back Patrick Graham, who's, you know, a good. Good defensive coordinator. This one. I'm. I'm sorry. I just think. And it's not like middle grade. You just hate the guy. I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I'm just saying, like, he would not have been my hire. Like, his shit ain't working in the NFL. It didn't work in the NFL those last couple years. And you're going to play Spagnola, you're going to play Jim Harbaugh's defense, and you're going to play that Denver defense. And I get it. You're like, we want to modernize our offense and what, get throttled? So I. I give the Raiders a lot of credit for their two main hires. This one, little off the beaten path. Don't think it makes much sense. Cam Newton, you know, Cam Newton said some comments if you missed him, that he would. Wouldn't trade his MVP for a Super bowl title. And let me just say this before I get into my opinion on his comment. I do believe if you ask Cam Newton and I attended his super bowl when it was at Levi's Stadium in the Bay Area, I went. I had a lot of money on the. On the. On the Broncos that game. It's one of the biggest bets I'd ever made. Still to this day. It was. It was large. And part of it wasn't Cam Newton. It was. I had been doing Raider games. I had seen that Denver team for, like, three straight years. Their defense was so good. I understood Peyton Manning couldn't throw, but it was like. And listen, it wasn't a bet against Cam. It was more just like, I don't think they should be an underdog, and obviously their defense won the game. But I do believe if you would ask Cam Newton the week of the super bowl or the night before the super bowl, especially, I think you win the MVP the night before the super bowl, would you trade the MVP for a win tomorrow? I think he would have said, yes, I do. I could be wrong. But I believe that any player, if you said that to him the night before the super bowl, who they had just won the mvp, Matt Ryan, you go back to all the guys that have won MVPs and then not won the super bowl, they would trade it. I think Aaron Rodgers would trade his MVPs for Super Bowl. I think anyone at the time now, I think after the fact, I don't think this is that complicated. You know, if you think about the super bowl for Cam Newton, it has a negative connotation. He didn't just get viewed as like having a bad game, but when people bring up that moment, it's the lowest moment of his career. He's literally made fun of because of it. He wouldn't jump on the ball and former players bring that up to him. Yet everywhere he goes and everywhere he has gone over the course of his life since 2017, he is introduced former NFL MVP, former Heisman Trophy winner and national champion, Cam Newton. Yet if I bring out Joe Montana or Troy Aikman or Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers or I would go, this is Aaron Rodgers, super bowl champion and four time mvp. This is Peyton Manning, two time super bowl champion, five time MVP or however many one, that's how you're introduced as a player. When you go to events, when you go to speaking events, when you go to. When he goes to Auburn to events to fundraise, whatever, when he's at doing radio row for the, during media week or during super bowl week for, for the media. So the MVP to him has a positive connotation. It's a positive thing. The super bowl is a negative thing. Like I think it's kind of a unique circumstance because I saw everyone, and rightfully so, like, ah, no shit. Cam Newton said that 100%. Cam Newton said that like my take was like I was there. It was pretty bad. That game is in a weird way because it's so hard just to get there. Like the lowest moment of his career. Like it. He lost random games throughout his career that no one ever talks about, thinks about or even watched it. They don't matter. But when you bring up Cam Newton, I would say most people think about not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. Now I'd have to go back and look at what the score was at the time. Haven't been there. No. I had a few cocktails. I never thought they were going to win as the game was going, they were just kind of overwhelmed. Even as Peyton, you know, after the first couple drives, could not throw but, like, if you were Cam, the MVP isn't just your most prized possession. It's literally your defining moment as a professional football player. Making the super bowl just was not. And it definitely isn't discussed like that. You know, for a long time, I was insecure about when I enter, when I introduced and I listen, I play golf. It's where I meet the most random, you know, people. Like, when I do this for a living and I'm talking to other people inside this business, they all know what you do. But when I'm on a golf course, I meet someone for the first time. Eventually, what comes up? What do you do? And you're playing golf with somebody. It's like, yeah, I work at Wells Fargo or. Yeah, you know, I work for this insurance company. Yeah. Own, you know, string of restaurants. What do you do? I used to always is weird, I would be like, you know, I used to work in radio, and I used to always kind of start it off that way because I was insecure about saying I was a podcaster. And I remember one night Maria's like, why don't you just. Why are you so weird about this? Just say what you do, what you do for your podcast. Right? It's going pretty well. And so for the last probably year, I just. When that I am a podcaster, and it starts actually pretty interesting conversation sometimes. But, like, when you are introduced or when that's your defining moment, like, he is defined internally, like, that's a good thing. Cam Newton, mvp. That's a positive thing. Like, so it's easy for all these other guys to say. Like, even Charles Barkley. And I hear him come up a lot, like, he would have given anything for the 93 MVP to win that finals against Michael Jordan. That finals against Michael Jordan is a positive thing for Charles. He was unreal. He was known also in the Dream Team. Second best player in the Dream Team. So, like, everything surrounding his MVP is like, I was at the highest level, and I went toe to toe. Cam got to the highest level in the pros, and it was, like, not the same. He had a bad night, wasn't very good, and then, like, didn't jump on the fumble. So listen, everyone's shitting on him for it. I understand, like, when you're insecure about something, you kind of want to avoid it. And, like, it's. I just think people think he's selfish because of this. I think we're all kind of selfish. We really are. And I think it's easy for a lot of guys to say and now what I where I disagree with him and he's trying to justify it when he goes, well, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl. Well yeah, Cam, if you would have won that super bowl, you would have been like, I don't know how many guys have won the MVP in a Super bowl in the same year. Probably pretty special category, guys like Montana Manning, but you know, Brady Farve, like it's short list of pretty sweet dudes. So it would have been a big deal. He tried, he tries to justify it because he he's not dumb. He knows it's going to sound stupid. But I do get where he's coming from. I really do. Time and time again, detection based cyber security solutions have failed to stop ransomware. It's time to rethink your posture. ThreatLocker offers a zero trust approach to endpoint protection that stops ransomware before it strikes. 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John Middlekauff
Okay. Little mailbag time at John Middelkoff. At John Midkoff. Fire in those dms. Get your questions answered here on this little old podcast. Jonmiddlekopf. Instagram. Fire away. Start with Marco. Question for the bag. Do you think it's a coincidence that the NBA gets a massive trade Sunday before the Super Bowl? Seems like a pretty good marketing tactic for the NBA to gain some steam once the NFL season ends. Your thoughts? Well, if I was going to be a conspiracy theorist, I would say this. The Lakers with LeBron at 40 years old, were going to be in trouble within the next couple years. And if I ran the NBA, if I was Adam Silver, and let's face it, the NBA has always done some shady shit. And I don't, I don't blame them. They're in the business to make the most money possible. Now it's much more complicated with gambling legal, but I don't know how that gets to forcing teams to trade people. Listen, I don't necessarily think, like, Adam Silver made this happen, but if he did, it'd be the greatest move he's ever made as a commissioner to get one of the best players in the NBA to one of your marquee franchises. And when would you want to do it? You'd want to do it right now. Now their trade deadline is during super bowl week. So I think some would say, like, it's not a good idea to do it during super bowl week, but it usually gets lost in the shuffle, like Wednesday or Thursday. Doing it right now, better idea. I just think when you look at people are going to say, I'm a Laker hater. I am. I Hate the Lakers. They're the only team that you're like, I don't like Ohio State, I don't care that much. I don't even have a problem with the Dodgers and I'm a diehard Giants fan. I kind of appreciate what they're doing when it comes to Lakers. There's something about that feeling. Even at 40 years old, I get like, I'm still 15 and there's an envy, there's a hatred, there's just. I just don't like them. And I appreciate still having that feeling. You know, usually I have to create it or manipulate it by gambling. Once, once I gamble against you, I hate you. But other than that, like, even my takes, I'm not Stephen A or Skip Bayless. Like, I'll change my take if it's not right. I don't care that much. But this is a team that how I get. They landed LeBron because he wanted to move to LA. This one though, he's got handed Luca for Anthony Davis, who's 31 years old. Feels like the league somehow was. I don't know, I. Could you convince me? Yes, 100%. Does it seem a little shady? 100%. You couldn't make this trade in a simulator. In what world do you just go, yeah, we're trading, I don't know, the best player in the history of the franchise. Definitely. I know Dirk had a much longer career. Dirk didn't have 5 straight all NBAs from 20 to 25 years old. Again, we're just going to trade him for a guy 31 years old, great player, but, you know, gets injured a lot too. Like, what else are you going to get? Like seven first round picks? Like three other players? No, just like one other player and one other pick. Yeah, we're good. We're not, we're not really shopping them. Wait, you're not, you're not going to shop them? No, it doesn't really add up. Like, when you add up, like you have one of the great players, not just in the league, but like his entry to the Sport is like LeBron, like. So you're just going to trade him for what, the biggest haul in the history of the sport? No, not really. Not even close. Actually. If I would have told you, you wouldn't believe. Like, this is crazy. But the Lakers, you know, get another marquee player. It's what they do. It's probably why I'm jealous. Kings just traded theirs. Mailbag question, fan of the show. As you mentioned in a previous show, most general managers and head coaches have a general idea of how to build a team. At least they speak like they do. If they know how to build, why do half of them choose to not build the teams according to that philosophy? Does a major draft bust or owner pressure the picks negatively affecting their performance? Well, only the GMs and head coaches, I think really know that. Right. If you're in the draft room, most owners I don't think are like forcing your hand if they're not like Dan Snyder. But I do think there is a lot of closed door meetings with either the owner, his president, his right hand man, the coach and the gm. And I think there are like, I want Travis Hunter. It's like, coach, we should take an offensive tackle here. I want Travis Hunter because let's use Travis Hunter as an example. He is a fantastic talent. I mean he's one of the most honestly unique talents we've ever seen in the history of sports. It's like, wait, you play both ways? It's like, yeah, I'm a lead at both. I'm a lockdown corner, be the number one corner in the drafts and I'm clearly one of the best wide receivers in the draft. I'm going to. And I was the number one high school recruitment. I'm a blue chip, blue chipper who can play both ways. It's unheard of. It really is. Because even some of the guys you know in college that have done both, they had a limited role. But you'd go wide receiver, corner, very important positions. And I got no problem taking either one of the, you know, those positions high. You take a Julio, you take, you know, a Stingley, a Sauce Garden or Patrick Peterson, whoever, you know, the elite guys. But you'd always take a tackle. Like I need a tackle, I need a wide receiver, I need a corner. You would take the tackle before them. Yet Travis Hunter is going to go before tackles. Now if there is not a tackle at his level, do you just take the good player? It's like no one ever apologized for drafting Dion. I'm not saying this guy's going to be Dion, but I think it's hard because you get there, you go, well, the best player on our board, the best player on our board is Malik Neighbors. Right. But we need other positions. It's like Malik Neighbors can have, I think like a historical season. Didn't he have like 100 plus catches and the Giants couldn't have been any worse because it doesn't really matter. And I'm not anti taking Malik Neighbors, but it's it's easy to say O line, D line. O line, D line. And then all these teams end up drafting corners and wide receivers. I mean, it happens all the time. Take Austin Genti. Let's look at that. We need a good running back. When I see people like the Dallas Cowboys should take Austin Genti at 12. If I was a Cowboy fan and we took Austin Genty at 12, he's a great player. Don't get me wrong. I am pro drafting running backs, but this individual draft has great running backs. So I don't know, take a position you need. Take a defensive lineman. Last time I checked, your defensive tackles sucked. So is Ashton Genti. And immediately plug and play starter for your team 100%. But do you have a huge need at the line of scrimmage, which I don't know, is kind of more important. Use one of your second day picks on one of these running backs and he can immediately be your starter. Like, that's how you build a team. But sometimes like Jerry's like, let's just get myself some Jetty. I want Jetty in the backfield with Dak. You like my Jerry? I put him back there with Dakota striking glory holes. That's. I don't even know what my voice is, but I just. It's, it's eat, listen. Life's all about talk, you know, it's what a lot of people do, whether you're in sales, whether whatever. It's easy to say whatever you want at any given moment because it sounds good and then your feet get held to the fire. And like you said, a lot of people, you know, change their opinion. I don't even think change their opinion. They just go, I believe in the line of scrimmage, but holy shit, I love this wide receiver. I mean, it happens all the time. It's like, okay, I'm the Chargers or the Patriots. I have a ton of money and I have a ton of needs. Should I go spend that on T. Higgins? Now there's an argument with a young quarterback to help him out. Not that crazy, but couldn't you just find T. Higgins? I don't know. In the second round, it's like, where did you find AJ Brown? Mike Variable. I'm not saying they will, but it's like, oh, we got him in the second round. Big fan of the show. Will contracts like Baker's and Darnold's cause some teams to rethink this all or nothing approach, they have to be playing an average to slightly above average quarterback like Lawrence or Tua I would say those two guys are kind of unique when you just look at them. Baker was the number one overall pick and Darnold was the third overall pick. So let's look around the NFL of guys that fit their mold. Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields. I got no problem Giving Justin Fields $5 million to be my backup. I would entertain that. Zach Wilson, I could not. I mean, I just don't know enough about. And Trey Lance, I couldn't give. I wouldn't. I wouldn't sign him to be on my team. He wouldn't be able to make my team. Maybe it's like a four string. I mean, I wouldn't even want him as my third quarterback. So I think it's. Those are just very, very. Those are outliers. They truly are. I mean, and Baker had played well a season in Cleveland, Sam never had. Sam never had. But, you know, went to the perfect spot. Got a year to refresh with Kyle. I just don't. I guess Zach Wilson could be if he emotionally matured, but he couldn't even win the backup job this year in Denver. So, you know, Kenny Pickett? No. Mac Jones? No. I just think you look around the NFL, you just don't really see that at all. That, that, that, that player. Question for the bag. Who do you feel would make the Chargers offense more effective? A quality tight end, a running back and a wide receiver. One like Higgins or a revamped interior offensive line. Both are equally bad. And you can find clips of Herbert yelling at Bozeman frequently. Well, I think you can find a guard or center early in the draft. So in the first or second round. I don't have their salary cap situation in front of me, but I think it's pretty clear that they're going to need to add a weapon. Now, wide receivers on the open market, good ones. Higgins is going to cost a lot of money. Keenan out. I think I saw a list the other day of the wide receivers on the open markets. Not a great group. So you could draft a couple. You know, to me, I would think long and hard about drafting a tight end and drafting a running back. I think in the first three rounds, they got to feel pretty good coming away with a skill. Wide receiver or tight end and a running back. Now you can find a running back on day two. You can find a guard or center on day two. I think he would be more inclined to draft a wide receiver in the 20s than he was going to do at pick five with Jo Aalt. Like, who knows who's Sitting on the board. I also think couldn't you go defensive line? You know, I think one question with the Chargers is Khalil Mack is a free agent and he's not going to retire. I would imagine they want him back, but what's the price there? And as Joey Bosa played his last snap for him, I think the Chargers have some pretty big questions. Can you give us a recipe for an Eagles victory over the Chiefs? Obviously we can all imagine things like winning the turnover battle or being able to run the ball. Do you have any next level insights that may be able to tilt the needle in the Eagles favor? Love the show. Well, I think one thing is pretty clear. When the Eagles take advantage of you as an opponent, they do it defensively with their front and down the stretch. I mean Jalen Carter, non quarterback I you could make the argument he's been a top 10 player in the NFL the last couple months of the season. I mean the playoffs. He has plays in Balding or has done some like breakdowns on where he's just unguardable. I mean you get him in a one on one situation against a guard or a center and he has, you know, whether it's that kind of swim move or kind of that quick get you on, you know, your hip or your shoulder, you are fucked. I mean he looks like a Hall of Fame. He looks like Chris Jones or something in his prime. So if a guy like that and they have other sweet pass rushers, I mean they got multiple interior guys, they got Jordan, Davis, Williams, they got edge rushers and Nolan Smith and sweat. So the one thing with the Chiefs, and you notice it in that Texans game, the front was giving them problems. Well, what did the Texans have? They got Will Anderson, who's a badass, and Daniel Hunter. Well, I'd say the Eagles in terms of their overall unit, they're probably not as good as the on the edge as those two guys, but they're not bad on the edge and they're interior with Jalen Carter. I mean how many. Chris Jones is older now, but he's one of the great defensive tackles of his era and going to be in the hall of Fame. I mean that's how good this guy can be. Like this guy can be Chris Jones. Trust me. Ask 49er fans about Chris Jones. He won them the super bowl on that, on that third down play in overtime when Purdy had iuk. But he couldn't get there in his progressions because Chris Jones already in the backfield was because the right side of the offensive line can't block Chris Jones. Well, the Chiefs, you know, they, they take Thuney and they move them out to left tackle, which is the right move. But it kind of in. Stuckey has talked about this. It's changed the how talented their interior is because usually it was. I mean, they had the best guard, center, guard combination in the NFL. You know, Trey Smith is. I don't know, the Chiefs financial situation. It's all this stuff so fluid at the combine, who you cut, who you trade. I mean, he's. He's a guard. He might get. If I had to guess right now, what does he end up getting paid? I'd guess 65, $70 million guaranteed. And like I could see like five years, $100 million, 20, 20 a year average. But like 65, 70 guaranteed, you know, could be even a little higher quote unquote average. But I think his. He'll have the highest guaranteed in the history of guards. Last year they were making 18, 19 million dollars. But their guaranteed money usually is like 45, 50. He's going to be get the most guaranteed money by far. So once you bump him out, their tackle situation is not as good, or excuse me, their tackle situation is better because it was so such a problem. But inside is not quite as dominant. So it's like, I think you got to dominate on the defensive line. And a couple of years ago that was their strategy. That's how they dominated the NFL. They led the league in sacks. So you lead the league in sacks. It's a problem. Now Mahomes is a magician, but you know, this game comes down to blocking, tackling, throwing and catching the football. Like it's pretty basic. And the quarterback, like, can you block them? Does he have time? And when you get a chance to hit him, do you fucking throttle him? So the thing, I mean, the Eagles can really pitch hard. I mean, they got blue chip and these guys are all Georgia and Alabama, but it's like you're playing the best offensive coach. I mean, honestly, he's, he's chubby. Bill Walsh, he's clearly. I mean, if you want to do the Mount Rushmore of NFL coaches, I don't even know if he has to win this game to be on it. He's already got three Super Bowls. This is his, this is his sixth appearance. You know, Bill Walsh, people forget, like he didn't win five Super Bowls, he won three and then he quit. So now he's more famous at least as we sit here today. But who's to say in 50 years. Andy won't be more famous or equally as I would say him. I think if you were doing a Mount Rushmore and it's not like Andy's anywhere close to done, I don't know who would argue about Lombardi, Belichick, Walsh. Then I think the 4. 4 spots up for debate, the Landry's, the Knowles, the Houses, the Andes. I mean, it's. He's in the mix. I mean, you're talking about. That's who you're going up against if you're doing a Mount Rushmore. Of NFL head coaches, the coach you're playing is on that list. And Vick is an elite defensive coordinator. But you go, well, Patrick and Andy's kind of owned them. So I, I think that. And the other thing is, like Hollywood Xavier worthy Eagles have good corners. You know, Mitchell's one of the better rookie corners in recent memory. Cooper's a really good slot. And Slay, I mean, he's older, but he's still a solid starting corner. Technically, if the slay's your third best guy, right? If, if, if you just put guys up for factoring in their age, every NFL team got to pick or order those three of who they'd like. Slay would be third. But if that's your third, like, you got good DBs. Now if one of those guys go down, Rogers has to come in, then it's a problem. Their safety's coverage. Why? I mean, they'll hit, obviously. C.J. will C.J. bring the wood. Lots of dynasty talk with the upcoming Super Bowl. Where would the chief stack up if they win? And do you consider the Brady Patriots ERA one continued dynasty? I do. So when you say Belichick, Brady, now, there are different. There are three different iterations. There's the Brady Belichick opener, three Super Bowls, Brusky Vrabel, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown, kind of that group. Then there's the 07 team, you know, through 11, which is like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Brady in his peak, Logan Mankins, Vince Wilfork, kind of that group. And then there's the Brady, Belichick, edelman, Gronk, Jason McCourty, Hightower, kind of that crew. So I think there are multiple crews, but Belichick and Brady were on them all. So it's like Travis Kelsey retires and they win another super bowl in three years, the dynasty won't end. He just won't be a part of it. Like Gronk wasn't a part of the first three or the undefeated season. And I know, like, you get credit when you lose in the super bowl. That's an incredible year, but you got to win them too. Like, it doesn't sting as much. Like, yeah, Peyton, I lost a couple Super Bowls, won a couple two. Brady, I lost some Super Bowls, won a bunch too. That's the thing with Kyle Shanahan. It's like, yeah, I've lost a couple close ones. It's like, okay, well, what about, what about the ones you've won? Haven't won any. So, yeah, one continued dynasty. Question for the pot. If Mahomes hit free agency tomorrow, how much money would he be able to net? I feel like it can get 70 plus million. He's that good. And GM's on the hot seat may pay him more. Interesting in hearing your thoughts. I mean, I don't think there's a number that would he get $500 million guaranteed? I would put Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. I mean, if these guys hit free agency, Deshaun Watson got $230 million guaranteed. Would they get 400? The thing with all these quarterback contracts is then if you're good, you see all the money anyway. So, like, when you see the hollow numbers, some of these guys, these teams are going to want to get out. Let's say Trevor Lawrence team might want to pivot in a year or two. Like, you're never pivoting on Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Mahomes. So, like when Mahomes got 10 years, $450 million, even if they didn't mess with the contract over the years, he's still getting that. He's seeing all that money. So I just think that they make an unlimited amount of money. I. It's just. I think it's really that simple. Unlimited. I honestly think I. They get. They would get 10, 15, 20% more if they hit the open market, but over the aggregate of their careers, like, my home's gonna make $700 million, probably more. As someone who is working toward having a career in professional sports management degree, what was your favorite part of working in a major sports league? Also, what was your least favorite? I would say favorite is just, you know, you're part of a team, there's a people that you become very close to. I still got very, very close friends that are on different teams now. But when you spend, especially in the office, it's just kind of a unique job where you're just spending, especially in football, a lot of hours together in the building and it's all kind of for the same common goal. You're all just trying to help get wins, win, get better players, you know, and you're all kind of part of this little team because in a football team, I guess basketball and baseball, you have less players. But in football team you don't have that many people. You have the coaching staff, you got some in house, scouts, you got the gm, you have the trainers, equipment. People like you all know each other pretty closely. You know, like when I work with the Eagles, I just text Dom the other day about something, the Gilly dance. And he got Gilly to lead the team out on the NFC championship game. You just spend like you just get to know all these people because you just spend so much time around them, you know, So I think that's. Now it doesn't mean every single person you liked, but for the most part, I was pretty lucky. I had a group of people that I worked with that I like a lot. The worst part, you do just work. You can work baseball, basketball, football, hockey, golf, tennis, you name it. Like your schedule. Like you ain't nine to fiver. It's not Monday through Friday, weekends off, it's a lot of holidays, you're grinding a lot of events you have to miss. It's not a normal schedule at all. It's basically you're doing what other people do for recreation to watch at their house. So when you work, you were for a baseball team, like Saturday night you got a game. You mentioned last week you didn't have a theory to account for why defensive minded head coaches like Aaron Glenn seem to be more inclined to hand off play calling duties to a new defensive coordinator as opposed to offensively. Offensive oriented coaches like andy Reid. Sean McVeigh seem more willing to maintain those duties themselves. I'd like to suggest one possible explanation. We all have a basic orientation to life and one division I've observed is that some people are more worried about bad things happening, while others aggressively seek fun and positive opportunities. Coaches drawn to defense likely fall into that category. And those who are more adventurous might incline toward offense. Coaching defense might be a burden defensive coaches would love to assign to someone else, whereas offensive coaches might like to continue enjoying trying to make good things happen. Just a thought. You're pretty deep on that. I think there's probably some merit to what you're saying, but I do think it comes back to like, Andy Reid's an offensive play caller. He was an offensive lineman. He coached offensive players as an assistant coach. Right. He was an offensive line coach. Then he coached Tight ends. Then he worked with Holmgren. Like you know, Jon Gruden was a quarterback, Kyle Shanahan was a wide receiver, Sean McVay was a wide receiver. They played offense. Like that was their position as a player. So when you transition it's like, well, what side of the ball do you want to work on? Well, I played wide receiver. So where do you usually start? Offensive quality control or offensive graduate assistant. And then when you elevate from like the lowest guy in the totem pole, where do they put you? Well, they put you usually assistant wide receiver coach. Right. That's kind of where you get your. If you're an offensive line guy, where do you start? Assistant offensive line coach. Then you become an offensive line coach, then you become the run game coordinator. So it's like D'Amico, why is he called? He's a linebacker, right. Solo defensive player. Dan Quinn, defensive lineman I think Pete Carroll, somewhat unique, pretty sure he played quarterback, but he might have just started coaching on the defensive side of the ball and it just kind of took off. But I think when you look around the NFL, I think a lot Aaron Glenn was a corner. So what position does Aaron Glenn start coaching? When he gets into the profession, starts coaching DBs and the natural progression is like assistant DB coach, DB coach, defensive coordinator. It's just, it's just a progression. Now I also think there is something that you are onto. There's conservative and non conservative like and that's what's kind of unique about this modern day coaching style. Like I think Dan Quinn and Dan Campbell, if you talk to them 20 years ago those guys would be old school tough guys, run the ball, play defense, conservative guys. Now when you watch them it's go for it, go for it, go for it. So maybe they are just more open minded guys like you said, they are just more inclined to good things happening. Where you look at like Belichick, Saban, John Harbaugh, now Harbaugh is a go for it guy but I would put the Harbaugh brothers, they just kind of bad things happening, I guess. I hear what you're saying. I think you're kind of on to something. I think a lot has to do with it. If you're, if you played at least in college, you just start coaching where you played. So if you were an offensive player or defensive player, that's where you go like why does Kevin O'Connell call offense? Well, he's a quarterback. He was played at San Diego State, got drafted. Cliff Kingsbury quarterback. So I think it's a natural. You know Bruce Arians quarterback called offense Todd Bowles safety defense. I truly believe a lot of it's that trying to go think of different coaches. I don't think Mike McDonald played trying to go around the NFL. Sirianni I think Sirianni was a wide receiver. I think Rabel defensive guy, linebacker. I truly believe a lot of it's that maybe with scouting I think some of that would be natural to you. Are you negative? Are you a positive guy? Are you glass glass half full glass half empty guy? I think with coaching though it truly more where you played. Question for the Mailbag after the Chiefs won the AFC I started hearing you and others talk about how Andy Reid is on Belichick's ass for the greatest coach of all time. This prompted me to search Andy and Bill's coaching resume and I guess I either didn't know or just had forgotten that Bill has two rings as a defensive coordinator on top of the six as a head coach. Seeing this led me to wonder when evaluating Bill's and others coaching legacies, how does success as a coordinator factor into the all time rankings legacies if at all. I can just speak to my kind of era of guys. I think most of the best coaches over the Belichick Andy era we'll start in like the early 90s have been super bowl winning coordinators. Belichick, super bowl winning coordinator Mike Shanahan, super bowl winning coordinator, Mike Holmgren super bowl winning coordinator. Who am I missing? Andy wasn't a coordinator. He was not a coordinator but he was one of the main assistants on a Super bowl winning team in Green Bay and you look at then you get to the next era. John Harbaugh was a huge part of special teams and defense on those great Eagles teams with McNabb. Mike Tomlin Super bowl winner as a DB coach with with Tampa. I think did Mike Tomlin win one? And I think what you're getting at to is the correlation. Yeah, he won a Super bowl in in Tampa. He was a DB coach with John Lynch. I think the way you get put on a map as an assistant coach is typically to be part of a good team like Kevin O'Connell's like oh, you just got to be connected to Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVeigh. Well if those teams for the last five years sucked, those guys wouldn't have jobs. But McVeigh won a Super Bowl. Kyle went to a couple, they were in the playoffs all the time. So it's like usually you get hired not just because you get hired from one of those staffs doesn't mean you're good. But like, look at all the coaches that have got hired over the last like 20 years from Belichick. Well, why Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Brian Flores, you know, Charlie Weiss, Romeo Cornell. Because they were kicking ass. You know, I think a huge, huge part of getting elevated and getting jobs. You know, when I was like high school ish, like all the best teams, the guys getting head jobs were from the best defenses. And that happened for a long time up until like five, ten years ago now this year kind of came back. But a lot of guys from the great Ravens team, you know, it was like Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, Mike Nolan, the Tampa team, Tomlin, their, their defensive line coach, Rod Marinelli. You know, it's like so when you're part of great teams, you become famous. It's like you could be a no name actor and put the guy in like Wolf of Wall street or you know, the Godfather or whatever. You just, you pick a random movie. If it's an all time movie, that guy's career is probably going to change. It's probably going to have a massive, massive change. I ended up on this YouTube about Josh Brolin. He was being interviewed by Graham. I always mess up the guy's last name, but he just interviews like famous people, athletes, actors. And Josh was a child actor. I didn't know that well before my time. And he said like for 20 years my career sucked. Nothing happened in my career. And then he got no country for Old Men, which I actually watched after watching that, that interview. It was a, it was a clip from the interview. I ended up watching more clips because I was like, I love this guy Josh Brolin, love Sicario, but I haven't seen Dune, but I bet it's. I, I wasn't gonna watch it. Not my style of movie. But knowing I, he started talking about him like, I probably check this out, but he's like, no country. Old men changed my life. Like, I've always been kind of picky at movies. He's like, I was turning down movies that I had no business turning down with money. My options completely changed. It's not like I changed as an actor. I was always been the same guy. Just like there are a lot of really good coaches that are on shitty teams. You know, like if that guy got the opportunity to be at Ohio State, to be at Texas, to work for Andy Reid, like he'd become a star. But maybe he's just on the Panthers or at Texas Tech. It's not his fault. He just doesn't know those guys. He just got hired. He's kind of. He's kind of there and in life, no different coaching. Sometimes you need a big break, like Andy Reid getting on homegrown staff and Jon Gruden getting on homegrown staff and Mariucci getting on homegrown staff. Change their lives. I'm sure all three of them would be the first people to tell you that Brett Favre changed their life. Changed their life. Tom Brady changed a ton of people's lives. Peyton Manning changed a ton of Aaron Rodgers. Ton of people's lives, even if they failed. Like McAdoo. Made a lot of money because Aaron Rodgers. Joe Philbin. Lot of money because Aaron Rodgers. Like these guys. Nate Hackett. So it's great. Coaches are usually associated assistant coaches with a great player, a great head coach, and they usually go hand in hand. Bill Walsh, Joe Montana, Belichick Brady, Andy Reid, Mahomes. Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan. You put Phil Jackson with, like, James Harden. He ain't Phil Jackson. Name for your fans. People want me to have a name for my fans. So I like where the one guy was going with the fourth downers, but it's kind of an awkward name. How about the punting unit? What happens when you go three and out? Send in the punting unit. I think the key to a name, and this is growing on me, it has to almost be. It can't be three words. It can't be like the X, Y. Right? Or I think it basically has to be like a couple syllables, ideally one word. I was thinking like the practice squad, but the middle. Cough squad. Cough squad. I'm not great at this stuff, but I think we're kind of getting down the right path. The punting unit. I appreciate the idea. It's actually a good idea. And the logic behind the idea, I like it. I just think, here comes the punting unit. It doesn't quite work. It doesn't quite work. When I was a kid, Jim Rome, I think, had the. Was it the cronies? Maybe, yeah. What is Jim Rome's fans called? The Clones. The Clones. I was close. The Clones. That was good. The Clones. Portnoy has the stoolies. The Clones. I think the key for this to work, it's got to basically be one word. I don't know what that word is, but I don't think it can be like a statement. Like, here comes the third down. Defense. Right. Here comes the punting unit. I thought for probably a couple minutes the other day and I was like, I'm not even close to getting a good idea. But like clones, that was pretty legendary when I was a kid. I was. I thought I was a clone. I never even called in, but I felt it right. So I the one word. One word's key. It doesn't even have to be football related. It can be. It can be anything. Something that sticks, something that's good, something that's catchy. But I think one word is pretty key. The volume Time and time again, detection based cybersecurity solutions have failed to stop ransomware. It's time to rethink your posture. ThreatLocker offers a zero trust approach to endpoint protection that stops ransomware before it strikes. Threatlocker delivers a deny by default strategy where you choose what to run, then block everything else. The result? No stress about the latest malware because with Threat Locker you block it by default, take charge of your cybersecurity and gain control of your environment. Visit threatlocker.com today and stay one step ahead of cyber threats. Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate First. 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