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Listen to Locatora Radio Season 10 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Volume what is going on, everybody? How are we doing? John Middlecock 3 Now podcast I was on the fence when I woke up today. I'm like, am I going to record anything today? Nothing really going on. Then I watched Final Four. I was like, you know what? I'll do a little mailbag touch on the Final Four and just college sports in general bang out some of your questions. So at John Middlecoff, is the Instagram firing those DMS like it's open real estate, baby. Who else Small percentage of people are grinding on a Sunday in the off season, it's like, I'll do something. So the game plan this week we will owner's meeting. So I'm sure some stories are gonna come flying out of there. We will hit on definitely some of that stuff tomorrow. Scotty Scheffler came storming back today, showed signs of life. So we will hit on that as well on go low this week. So look for that. 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And listen, I got my start in this business not Technically this business, but in the sports world at Fresno State, a small school, a little underdog, we will play anybody, anytime, anywhere. And a school that first had aspirations of, of making it to a BCS game and ultimately Boise State was able to do it. And people have followed since. You know, other, other small school programs have I would say made huge impacts over the last 15, 10 years. Basketball, obviously we have had a ton of Cinderellas make runs into the elite eight. And I would say over the course of my adult life, the last 20 years, a ton making to the final Four. I mean San Diego State made a run. Vcu, I mean it's Butler with Brad Stevens. Those days are over and like people are going to complain about it. And we talked about it, I think earlier last week about the transfer portal. I think Ice Cube had a line called Big bank, take Little Bank. There's always been a huge advantage for Duke basketball, Kentucky basketball, Alabama football, Michigan, Ohio State football. Like they've always had the advantage over VCU or Butler or Boise State at football or San Diego State or Fresno State. The only thing that's changed is now they don't even need to hide the ability to brown bag the players because they give them a 1099 which has several zeros on it and they can take your player whenever they want. So listen, I'm not against the little guy. I went to small schools like I went to Cal Poly. I didn't go to USC or Oregon, but when I sit on my couch, even when I was at Cal Poly, we watched Texas against usc. Like I've always said, I watch pro sports to watch Tiger Woods, Tom Brady, Steph Curry. Like I'm not watching it to watch the overachieving random guy. Fun story every once in a while, but we turn it on for Patrick Mahomes and the Watt brothers and the Manning brothers. Like that's why we tune in. And let's face it, college basketball and college football has kind of always been like that as well. The reason the SEC is so dominant now was because of 15 years of nick Saban. A rising tide lifts all boats created such a demand for the other programs to keep up economically. The interest in the sport got so big and the money they get from television is bigger than all the other conferences. So they have more money to pay the other coaches. And once you start paying the other coaches, the expectations is to win. And now with nil, it has expanded and I think that we just need to get used to obviously in the NCAA tournament there are going to be some random upsets, it's a one game scenario. So it's not like for the next 10 years, get ready for like 90% of the time it's going to be four number one seeds or it's just going to be Texas, Ohio State and Notre Dame every single year. That's not going to be the case, but it's going to happen way more often than not. So if you're a fan of the little guy, if you went to one of those smaller schools, I hate to break it to you, you're fucked. It's even the slim, slim hope you ever had. And I remember when I was, when I was at Fresno State, we were in the wack and we're like, God, if Boise could just get their shot, give Boise their shot, and then they would get in some of the BCS games and they would like put them against tcu, who at the time was also not in the Big 12, right? So like they were some power program. It's like, why don't these schools ever get the shot? Because they're, they don't want them to get the shot. They want a monopoly on the money and now they got a monopoly on the players. Because the, the Ashton Genti situation where he could have transferred, we don't know the exact schools. I bet people in the NFL have been told when they've interviewed him, you know, the schools that were offering you seven figures and he just took $300,000 to stay at Boise, like that is, that's going to be an outlier example. Steph Curry's breakout to the country happened when he was a sophomore in college. He came back and played another year at Davidson. That player, obviously he was unique, his dad was an NBA player. But I'm just saying, the next Steph Curry, the next John Morant, the next smaller school guy is going to transfer and that school is just kind of screwed and they just become like a minor league feeder system. I saw it when I lived in the Bay Area with the Oakland Ace, who are now the Sacramento A's, who actually I think might be pretty good. They didn't spend any money, but they could pick out talent better than any team probably in the league. And Billy Bean has had like, maybe not six, but like four or five iterations of playoff teams with different core groups of players over like 20 years. Because every three or four years he has to sell because those guys are getting close to getting paid and he has to restart the cycle. But like they just acted as the feeder system for the Yankees, for the Red Sox, for the Cardinals, for the A's and for the Giants. It doesn't mean all those players always worked out when they left. But for the most part, like those teams circled the drain when they realized, like it's over for this group of guys. And then they would have to sell. And that's kind of what the smaller basketball programs are. That's definitely what the smaller football programs are. But it's not even just the San Diego states and boise states or VCUs and butlers. It's like the second and third tier programs in their own conference. Like if you're Alabama or LSU or Georgia and you play Mississippi State and you go, God, they got Darius Slay or Fletcher Cox and it's pretty clear like their second year, like this guy's, it's going to be like a top 50 draft pick. This, this guy could be a first rounder. Latest day two, you're recruiting him and right now there aren't really rules. And even when those rules get instituted, like who's actually instituting the rules? The ncaa? Does anyone respect them anymore? Is anyone listening to them? And I just think this situation really, really benefits the big dogs. And obviously if you have a high level coach, means you're paying him a lot of money and a big collective, you're going to have massive advantages. You've had them and it's only going to grow and grow moving forward. And even when they set a salary cap based on the television revenue, this is not the pros where it's like Andy Reid and Clark Hunt don't need to worry about like who Patrick Mahomes is in business with off the field. Right. He's just his agent. His marketing team will Allstate, Oakley, like they'll just handle all that in college. Like the huge advantage is going to be for Ohio State, Georgia, Texas. Like, we'll give you, you know, whatever your salary cap number is. I'm just going to pick a random, like, we really want you to play for Texas. Here's $450,000. And we also can get double that number by getting you these three deals. And they're going to try to like, I think separate church and state where it's like the programs no longer have to do with nil bullshit. That's going to be a huge advantage for the big boy. So listen, it just, it is what it is and money always creeps in. We live in America and people have been clamoring for this. You know, the media has led this charge for a long time. And wherever it Started to go where listen, these guys deserve to be paid. It was always going to benefit the big dogs in the big conferences and the big schools. And it's pretty evident that like that's going to be the case. I think it was four ones, three twos and a three in the elite eight. I mean look at who was in the college football playoffs. It's going to be the same group of we take 12 teams. There's they basically automatic automatically take a Boise State program so they don't get sued. So there's basically 11 other slots. I would say it's going to be the same 18 to 20 teams for those 11 spots for the next five or six years. Occasionally we'll have a random Indiana, but Indiana didn't come from like some rant it came from. I think most people agree the second best football conference and you could argue this year was the best football conference. But yeah, I feel for the little guy because they're done. So okay, let's do some mailbag questions for the pod. Listen to you and it seems real hypocritical to say the Patriots and Drake May are overhyped. Vrabel was dragging the Titans and Ryan Tannehill to a one seed. He's a good coach and his system works. Drake Mays rookie season stats are better than Josh Allen's rookie numbers and the team record is pretty comparable. Diggs contract is $26 million guaranteed is minimal. Especially for someone you hope is your wide receiver too. I think it's BS to say very many people are talking about them as a playoff team. But all the elements of the chargers to the 5 seed are present if the Patriots draft. Well, most people at best are thinking 8, 9 wins their ceiling this year if I remember correct. I was asked that question by someone telling me that they thought they were overhyped and my take was I am pro varable and I'm with you. He's got a lot of Harbaugh parallels. But comparing Drake May going into his second year to like Josh Allen. I mean Josh Allen is the league MVP and one of the best players not just in the league but one of the most talented players we've ever seen. And I mean has dominated the division since Brady left and it hasn't even been close. I mean last year what did they get a hat and T shirt game like December 1st. Like it's not even, it's not even a fair fight. They have become what the patriots were for 20 years in the AFC East. It's there is no competition but you compared him to Harbaugh and Drake May. I think just. Or Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert as a rookie and again he had a. I'm not comparing the cast of characters they each played with but I'm pretty sure like set a rookie record. I think he threw over 30 touchdowns. Drake May last year was like 15 and 10. I'm not anti Drake May. I'm a huge fan. He's the type guy that I love drafting in the top five in the draft swing for the fences. But there's no guarantee he's going to be Josh Allen. Even Justin Herbert is widely considered by people in the NFL as a lock top five quarterback. So like. And he was viewed that way pretty quickly. Drake May a lot like Caleb. There's just a lot of I would say hope. Rightfully so. Big arm, a lot of talent. Obviously Drake's bigger than Caleb but that's what it is. It's hope. You actually got to do it. Ryan Tannehill had been a longtime starter in Miami before Vrabel resurrected his career. So there was a lot of experience and I'm pretty sure hadn't Tannehill. I think he made the playoffs one year. Might have tours ACL that year and then I think Matt Moore ended up starting in the playoffs. But I think some of your comparisons. Rabel's a stud. Stefon Diggs, like I'm sorry, the Stefon Diggs thing is kind of crazy. He has a torn acl. Like he tore his acl. Now I don't blame the Patriots are desperate. They got to give their money to somebody. Crafts have been so cheap they got to meet the salary floor. But I don't know man. I'm not acting like they're going to suck either. But the five seed, I think that's kind of crazy. Are the Yankees already cheating? 32 runs in two games. Money ball. Nah, money bats. I love the torpedo bat. This is just what baseball needs, you know people. It's funny. And now ESPN dropped baseball. Manfred and ESPN were going back and forth. They've talked a lot of shit back and forth and everyone acts like baseball is just some irrelevant sport. Yet you know, the NBA Finals haven't sniffed what the World Series did last year in a long, long time. I actually think baseball is more popular than the perception of it. Now this is coming from a guy who doesn't watch much baseball anymore until the playoffs. But I do think the way it's discussed is different than its reality. And the Yankees and the Dodgers are A really big deal, you know, And I mean a really big deal. And if Aaron Judge got to use a torpedo bat to hit 80 home runs, I'm an Aaron Judge guy. Fresno State from Cal, from the Valley in Cali. So I'm rooting for these Yankees to just bomb it away with these torpedo bats. I think I saw a headline that brewers manager said nothing will happen to them because it's the Yankees type story. Baseball needs really. And also it being the Yankees is important. The only two teams who would like if it was just like the, the White Sox using the torpedoes or the, I don't know, just some random team like the Diamondbacks or the Rockies. I just don't think anyone would care. But it's the Yankees and it's Aaron Judge hitting just bombs. I think he hit a home run this morning. I saw, when I was laying on the couch watching a little television, when I got up drinking my coffee, you know, they played early in the morning and I think it's his fourth home run. He's on pace for a lot. Hey, John, I'd like to hear your perspective on your experience. Have you attended the NFL draft? If so, what was it like? What are some must do experiences for a first time attendee? Any tips for getting the best fan experience? I've attended it one time and that was my first year in Philly, but it was at Radio City Music Hall. So, you know, I don't think they have this anymore. But remember at Radio City, for those of you old enough, I mean, it's been a traveling circus now. I don't know, it feels like a decade, maybe a little less. Eight years. Every team had those tables with the helmet and then you would write on the card and hand it to the guy. So it's like, you know, you draft, hey, I'm drafting Shador Sanders. And you write the name and then you'd write New York Giants. And the New York Giants team would hand it to the guy in the NFL. I got to do that my first year. It was pretty cool. And it was, it was an elite draft. It was Cam Newton's draft. J.J. watt, Julio A.J. green, Alden Smith, Tyron Smith. I mean, it was. I remember taking up leak and you. I had to go behind because the, the bathroom, you had to go to the front or kind of go to behind where the green room was. So I was in the green room. I remember I saw Cam walking around. I'm like, holy shit, this guy's huge. And I think I peed next to. It was either AJ Or Julio, long time ago. But that. That is not the experience of what you guys do now. So I can't give advice on what these are like. I don't know. Does feel kind of like a zoo with. With everything going on, though. For the mailbag. Huge fan of the program. Couple questions for you, big Lions fan. Die hard Lions fan. Is Jared Goff the guy that will get it done? Do we go all in this year? As in we get a big trade somewhere? It's just hard when we have so many contracts going to be up so soon. Hutchinson, JMO Gibbs, I don't know. Getting paid, or do we keep drafting like we do? That's a good question. I think, you know, if Aiden Hutchinson, which I was watching, you know, I'm a sicko. I watched probably an hour on YouTube, the NFLPA Golf tournament, and the Lions had a team and Aiden Hutchinson was there and I was like, God, he looks pretty good. Like his. You know, the leg. I don't think they were lying when they said if they made the super bowl, he could have played. I guess it was just a shattered leg, yet sauce Gardner using the long putter. I mean, you talk about. That guy's a junkie. I was enthralled by the NFLPA Golf tournament. It was in Mexico. No brainer trip. If you're in the league and you play golf, wait, you just get a free trip by the PA to Mexico. I play golf a couple days. I bring my girlfriend or wife. It was a mix of you. I mean, Thielen was there. Thielen was actually on Minnesota's team with like, Harrison Smith, Harrison Phillips and Hawkinson. They actually had a pretty good little squad, but the Lions, I don't know why I got off on that tangent, but. Oh, yeah, you guys had a squad as well. Hutchinson was playing. To me, the trade always was going to be like, could you get Miles Garrett? Could you get Max Crosby? Like it was worth doing something like that. That guy doesn't exist. You're not going to do it, and you just keep drafting. But it does get difficult to draft when you draft in the late 20s every year. You know, it's much easier to get Aiden Hutchinson when you're drafted in the top 10, top 5, 2. It's much easier to draft when you can trade from 6 to 12 and get Jameer Gibbs and Laporta. It does get more difficult. You know, listen, everyone shit on Belichick, but when you start rattling off Super Bowls, it's hard to. It's hard to draft it's like, why can't Andy Reid find a tackle? I don't know. He draft. He drafts 31 or 32 every year. You try to find Trent Williams to pick 31. Godspeed. I mean, it's like, what's he supposed to do? So I'd be very, very intrigued by trade. The finals for March Mania are here. 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I'm Jemele Hill, host of the sports and politics podcast Spolitics. On this week's episode, I talked with comedian and CNN host Roy Wood Jr. About the lack of African American star power in major League Baseball. Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards, and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Betts is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need. So you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent? He told, he talked. Did you saw the clip of him talking to Obama? He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh, yeah, you. Oh, what you did? You killed bin Laden. That's what's up. Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Heard you on a recent podcast answering a mailbag question regarding career, mentioning going door to door sometimes and that got me thinking. I am currently a 32 year old and I live in South Florida. Fort Lauderdale. Sneaky, great place. After finally having a wake up call and realizing I need to figure out what I want out of life, I'm currently trying to decide my next step. I'm in a job I don't like at all and was denied a promotion. Fuckers. But my experience beside a bachelor's in business management is just dead end customer service jobs. I currently have all the willpower and motivation to attack something head on and start making some money, but I'm just having trouble figuring out what. I have bills to pay and my current job doesn't pay enough. So I'm trying to find a second job or a full time job that pays more. Any advice? Well, I can't relate to. Like the only thing I've ever done is what I wanted to do. And that was from the jump. You know, I kind of figured out in college like I can't just take random jobs. I'll hate them. I'll suck. I'm not smart enough to kind of fake it. I had to do so. I've never worked in something that I didn't like. Now it doesn't mean I liked it every day, but I've always done things that I like, so I can't relate to that part. But I can relate to the part of feeling lost. I mean, I've been fired and didn't have a job after the Eagles in 2013 and I was 29 years old and I just didn't even know. It's like, I'm probably not going to get another NFL job. I'm not going to move. I didn't know that many people in the league. I'd only worked at one spot. It was like, what am I going to do? And I just went to coffee shops and kind of figured it out. I didn't have any money coming in. It's not like I wasn't one of these fired coaches. Like my contract ended and it was just over. And then it happened to me again in radio. Now I had a little severance there, so I had a couple weeks or a couple months to figure it out. But sometimes you just need to go to the drawing board and for you, like if your job isn't even paying the bills and you fucking hate it. I mean, you're 32. I take it you don't have kids or anything. I would recommend just quitting now, figuring out what you want to do, like, that's, you got to figure that out. But I do think if you despise your job and it is not paying the bills, the amount of time that you give into that job, like, time's the most valuable asset we all have. So if you are giving, let's just say, let's say it's a 40 hour work week, you're giving them 40 hours that you could be allocating to do other stuff. Try to figure out what you want to do. Start getting in front of other people, emailing people, whatever. Just go all in for like a month. Like, that's a lot of time you're giving up for something that you're still in the red on. So my advice would be maybe over a month, keep doing the job and really kind of map out a plan of like some things and some career paths that you would entertain doing or that might bring you some more joy. I mean, there is a little like trial and error. Good thing is you're young, like you're 32 years old now. Fort Lauderdale, I'm pretty sure, is a pretty expensive place to live. So obviously, you know, I'm sure, like you said, you want money. I think we all do. I didn't start making any significant money Till I was 35 years old. I mean, I was basically a month to month, paycheck to paycheck guy for well over a decade after graduating college. So it's like, like it's much more important from my perspective, to find out what you like doing. Because when you find out what you like doing, you're more likely to be good at that and spend more time and dedicate toward that. And with that can come money not guaranteed, but it gives yourself a better chance. Yeah, I would at least for a couple weeks, kind of map out a plan. Might have to be after work and then potentially just say, I'm out. I mean, why do you want to do something that you hate, that you're going nowhere and it's not paying you any money and I think part of it. And listen again, I've been fired twice, Contract not renewed once, but other time, definitely fired, escorted out of the building. HR not because there was a scene. It's just company protocol. It's the best thing that's ever happened to me by far, because it, it puts the urgency. Sometimes urgency is really healthy. I Wouldn't trade those two moments in my life for anything professionally. I've noticed a lot of podcast channels such as yours and no laying up, really push their YouTube channels and try to drive traffic. I assume that's because YouTube offers different revenue streams in addition to the podcast. But what is the difference or the benefit of YouTube versus the podcast that has podcasts starting YouTube channels and pushing subscribers there? Well, there are a couple elements. One, YouTube. It's not like Apple pays, right, to host the podcast, YouTube, whatever. Any content you throw up, if you get people to watch, they there's a revenue split there. They're also unlike podcasts. Most of you that I would imagine that listen to me found me in some form or fashion through Colin Coward, right? Maybe you found me through his distribution channel on his Apple or Spotify. Maybe you've listened to me when I go on with him, you know, however many 30 weeks a year on Sundays. So you found me in that direction, which is a powerful thing, right? Someone to be discovered. I would say the hardest thing in the content world of podcasting would be the ability to get seen by others. There are, I don't know the number, but I would imagine a large or decent. There are people out there, let's just say, who are excellent and entertaining podcasts that I would love. Well, just use myself podcast that I would 100% listen to. Maybe on sports, maybe on finance, maybe on whatever. If you just said, hey John, listen to this and be like, holy shit, this is great. But I'll never find them because how are they ever going to get in front of me as a consumer? Well, YouTube, like originally Twitter, Instagram, there used to be this organic reach. I think TikTok definitely has that more now than those two. And it's hard to get in front of other people or YouTube has the algorithm and the ability to be seen by a lot of people. So it's like if I do a Sunday night podcast on Lions Vikings and it's a huge show for the podcast, let's say, you know, 100,000 people listen. Well, if another 50,000 people watch on YouTube, it's kind of important. So you are getting 50% higher audience. Let's pick a smaller number. Let's say you have a thousand people listening to your podcast and then, you know, you put it on YouTube and 5,000 people see. So you just 5x the eyeballs and then it's all interconnected. YouTube is extremely important to the landscape because that's where the consumer is. I can speak for myself. I consume a ton of YouTube. I told someone the other day, I'm like, you know what? I don't really go on Twitter as much anymore. I do work stuff on it sometimes during the day when I'm looking for topics, but, like, my days of just scrolling, I don't want to say are over, but I don't have it on my phone. I have been on maybe for the last three days, since Friday, maybe twice. I just don't go on it very much. But I've gone on YouTube, whether it's on my phone or at my desk, I don't know, 30 times. I mean, I go on it a ton. So I think there's just. It's just a powerful distribution product which won't last forever. But while it's going, you're just crazy not to go on it. I mean, that's where the consumer is reaching out for the mailbag. Wanted to say congrats on the wedding. I'm engaged as well and live and grew up in the Scottsdale area. I want to hear your thoughts on how to fix the Cardinals. They suck every year, and it seems like there's no hope for the foreseeable future. Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to tell you. We had a guy on the mailbag, I think last week hit me with an email that just crushed Bidwell's. They have more losses in the history of the NFL for a reason. I mean, it's the Bidwell family. At the end of the day, the Bidwell family, their resume speaks for itself. Now, listen, you know, they say the first generation builds it, the second generation profits from it. That might have screwed up the second generation, but the third one definitely ruins it. Pretty sure Michael's a third one. And I've always defended Mark Davis on this. He really tries, and he spent huge money a couple times and it's blown up in his face, but he tries. He gave $100 million to Jon Gruden because all he ever wanted was Jon Gruden just to run everything and just be good. That blew up in his face. He then goes hires Josh McDaniels, who again, turns out he's a scam artist. As a head coach, he turns into, like a different human being. But I totally understood why he did it. A lot of teams would have. A lot of teams have tried to hire Josh, Indy, the Niners, like, he ain't alone. And it blew up in his face. And then again, he's like, hey, Tom, can you just come in here and run it? Has Michael Bidwell ever done anything like that? Too cheap. So I just think the Cardinals, my buddies with Philly, they really like Jonathan Gannon. I met him two years ago at the combine. Seemed like a cool dude. I think his staff pretty impressive. The bald offensive coordinator, the young defensive, I think his name's Petzing and Rawlis is the D coordinator. One of them is like 38, the other guy's like 33. I think they're impressive. I think he's got like an impressive head coach. Coordinator. Three young guys who are just good, who are like, I don't know if they're, you know, Gannon's like a lifetime head coach, but he's going to be an NFL coach for a long time. Coordinator. The other two guys are just clearly pretty intriguing coaching prospects. But it's hard to overcome the owner. It really is. And it's kind of a formula now that we've seen in pro sports. Like you just don't overcome them when they're cheap. Congrats on getting married. Question for the bag. How come you don't think Caleb Williams played well last season? He threw for 3,500 yards, 20 touchdowns and only six picks. He by far is the best rookie Bears quarterback that I've ever seen. And I'm in my late 30s. I know that Jaden Daniels had a phenomenal rookie year, as did Bo Nix. Caleb still played great despite bad coaching. When I say didn't play well in the first half of games when you guys had your 10 game losing streak. I don't have every, you know, notebook compiled of like a breakdown here. He was not good in a lot of those games. And then you guys were constantly, for at least a month stretch, there was like a four or five game stretch where you were down 18 to nothing, 20 to nothing, 25 to nothing at half in every game. So you were down three plus scores with 30 minutes left in the game. If I'm on the other team and I'm kicking your ass like I game planned against you and I dominated you and he was not good in those moments, as was the team. I'm not just putting it on him, but he wasn't good. And then he would throw touchdowns in the second half of games and for the most part the game was never in question. So it was somewhat like those stats you just gave me were compiled in blowouts, a lot of them. Nothing wrong with it. It's like that's what shitty teams do, right in the six interceptions, I guess big picture is like, okay, cool, like I need a Guy pushing the envelope a little bit. Again, talented player. But to judge anything off last season based on he's going to be some. I say the same thing about Drake. May, I don't know, hope so. I'm rooting for those two guys, but based on their rookie season, beside physical characteristics, you would basically have to evaluate them just like a draft prospect. See a lot of skills but just in terms of like can they play the game in a tight game game plan against a good team when your team's good, I don't know. Time will tell. I'm intrigued. I mean it's two of the better stories in the NFL in 2025, how good are Caleb Williams and Drake? Maybe I put them both under the same category, but you just throwing out stats. He played well. Bullshit. In big games, big games would be strong. You guys weren't playing in big games. But as the season went on, it just wasn't good in the first half. Compile me those stats and give them to me. What were his first half numbers compared to his second half numbers? I'm a diehard Packer fan, this from Austin and after the 2324 season I was beyond hopefully about the potential. Last year while we made the playoffs, it seemed as though the offense regressed while the defense was solid. Much different than the traditional Packer teams of my lifetime. I agree the defense has always been the weak point. Where do you see the team's trajectory in the future? Jordan Love is very talented but seems to get in his own way at times. Would love to get your insight if the packers were a stock right now, obviously what they were going into last season. Let's just pick a number. Let's say they were a $50 stock heading into 2024 where a year previously they were probably 10. I would say the stock has definitely dimmed and let's just say got cut in half. It's 25 bucks. I guess 10 to 50 would be like 30 I would buy. I think the packers are going to be good now. I'm bullish on Jordan Love, but he's my type quarterback, very physically gifted, 100%. He has moments where you're like what is going on? I do think when a younger player gets dinged up, it kind of threw off his whole season. And obviously your wide receivers, you guys had some injuries but you have an offensive coach who knows the Shanahan scheme and like, you know, he's molded into his own scheme like that's his baby and he's proven like he's a Good offensive coach. He's proven it. So it's like that side of the ball I feel is going to be okay. Honestly, his games last year with Malik Willis were incredible. I, I think I put like $500 against you guys. You guys play the Titans, whoever you played week two. I'm like Malik Will, this is going to be a disaster. And he had like his, one of his great offensive game plans I've ever seen with Malik Willis. But if your defense is good, you guys are going to be okay. I promise. I have a lot of faith in the packers organization speaks for itself and again my, my faith is just maybe based on history, based on liking the quarterback. But I think you guys are going to be okay. I find it surprising the Dolphins have not touched the to a contract to free up more cap space and no free agent they signed has guaranteed money next year. Do you think this is a sign of a total collapse if things don't go right and that if the right move for the franchise considering they had some sort of success recently, even if it's just a wild card. I to me you just got to write out to a. I don't think you convert signing bonus. You just, you just write it out and you paid them last year. So this usually these contracts, three years, it's just so you're year one of you got two more just kind of ride it out. I don't think under any circumstances you can mess with it. I just don't think you can. I'm pulling up his contract right now. So your potential out. Yes. Is in two years. You could cut them for code 34 million dead cap. I still think that contract was pretty nuts and we've seen a lot of nutty things but holy cannoli, big fan. I believe that if Justin Herbert and Jalen hurt swapped teams in the 20 draft, Jalen would have led the Chargers to a playoff victory by now. What do you think? I believe there has been too many excuses made for Herbert and I think Jalen's ability to win in any circumstance is underrated. Yeah. I mean there's no disputing Herbert's playoff game. What was it against the Texans? I mean it's as bad of a game as you'll see. I do believe this. I'm not trying to hate on the guy because you play like that in big moments. Jalen's a bright lights guy. He's like Jimmy Butler. It's like you watch him some games. You're like what the hell's going on with Jimmy Butler? Was like, I'll play off Jimmy. Get ready for the playoffs. That's where Jimmy comes. That's what everyone in Golden State's holding out for. It's like he'll start dropping 35 in playoff games. Maybe he will, maybe won't. But he's done it before. It's like even when he's coasting, you just have faith and say what you want about Jalen. In some biggest games of his life, fucking guys come through and Herbert has not. So I can't dispute you there, but If I pulled 32 teams in the NFL, Howie and Jeffrey would be loyal to him. 31 teams, not the Eagles. I think every single one chooses Justin Herbert over Jalen. Hurts every single one. Question for the bag with nil. Are top agents like Drew Rosenhaus working to get in with college athletes? If not, seems like a missed opportunity. Opportunity. I would imagine they are. I mean, Rosenhaus has Abdul Carter, so, I mean, I, I, I think the top dogs get the top guys. NIL is more of like a, I feel like more marketing guys. But maybe, maybe I'm wrong. From what I've heard, it's a lot of parents. The NIL is, it's not. If you think Drew Rosenhaus, beside Abdul Carter and the occasional big guy is talking to like college GMs about some sophomore getting $200,000, I just doubt he is. Now, once you're Abdul Carter, where Rosenhaus really gets involved is when you're a clear big dog. Jalen Carter, Abdul Carter, you know, I mean, once you're going to be a cash cow, a lot of guys making NIL money are not then going to become great players. We see it all the time now. Should Rosenhouse have jumped all over. I don't, I don't know. Who has Cam Ward? I don't think Drew does. If he does is genius. I mean, it's right in his backyard. But yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'd have to text people in college to know exactly how that's going down. Do you think the Raiders can ever get back to a point where the home field is an advantage again? A couple years ago, I went to a Vegas game in Vegas for the first time, and it felt like 70% Steeler fans. Pete Carroll talked about it in his first press conference about the fans needing to do their part showing up, but it just doesn't seem realistic. Do you think they have relocated to new cities? Do teams that have relocated to new cities and had success like the Rams still struggle with opposing fan attendance? At home games. Does this improve over time, or could Vegas just be a unique situation? Well, the Rams do battle when the Niners come there. Why? Because a large percentage of Niner fans live in Southern California. Same with Raiders, and the Rams weren't there for 25 years. So I think there are unique situations. I would say the Steelers are an outlier team. They travel. I would say them and the packers travel as well as anybody. I mean, I've seen them against the Niners. I've seen them against the Eagles. I've seen them against the Raiders. And it feels like a Steelers home game when you see the Steelers. And I would say somewhat similar for the packers sometimes. I would say the Vegas thing is a little bit of an outlier situation because it's an easy trip. Three of your games every year. So whether you have eight games or nine games, three of those eight or nine are going to be Denver, very close. Kansas City, extremely close. Chargers, I guess Denver's extremely close. Chargers, extremely close. Kansas City, not far away. Just didn't excuse to go to Vegas and enjoy. Now, winning matters. Like the reason the Yankees are the biggest brand in baseball, even bigger than the Dodgers. They've won, like, 28 World Series or 27 World Series. They have been good for every generation. Cowboys, I don't know how they're so big, but it goes back to the 70s and the 90s. They just have a huge fan base. The Lakers, why are they the biggest NBA brand? They've won the most Raider fans. And I used to see this when I was in the Bay Area, and, you know, if you're a Bay Area guy, there was always this tension between the Niners and the Raiders, and it was like. It felt like one was at the top of the penthouse and the other was, you know, I don't want to say the outhouse, but not viewed as an equal financially, definitely. And there was, like, this little brother syndrome. And I was like, yeah, The Niners won five Super Bowls in 15 years. Like, it kind of mattered in the Bay Area when you guys were not here. So I was like, the reason they have way more fans in Northern California in 2025 is because they won five Super Bowls. So they had generations. You guys were gone. And then over the last 15 years, they've been to, like, four Super Bowls or three Super Bowls and like six NFC championship. The business model of pro sports is not that complicated. Win and people will come. What they say and build it, and people will come. It's. It's no different sports. Win and People will come. The warriors, up until Steph Curry, my entire life beside like a couple seasons here and there were a joke. Were the Sacramento Kings just in. In Oakland. And then Steph Curry came Draymond Clay and then Kevin Durant. And they've become one of the most valuable franchises in sports in a decade. Well, they've won a bunch of championships. So it's just like if you guys win, it'll. You're never going to have the home field advantage of the Eagles or the Packers. It's never going to happen. Or the Chiefs or the Broncos. But can it be better than it is now? 100% in 20 years, if you win, the guy that's 10, 12, 15 years old might start liking you and gravitate toward you. And then when he's 30 or 40 years old, making money, family, he gets season tickets. It's a big. His company buys a suite. Instead of just all the sweet holders are just the casinos who just no one even get. I can't tell you the people in my life that are huge gamblers that have been offered tickets because that's what the casinos do. They take care of the people that give them money. Most people I know that have gone, that aren't Raider fans, have gone through like business situations or just to check it out. So it takes time, you know. It does. I think you just gotta win. You just gotta win. It's really that simple. You just gotta win. And the history of the Raiders, which is cool. And it's like I've been a part of it in a way. Like the radio station we had was partners with them. And I'm a Niner guy, but got to see it and I love football. So it was. It's a powerful feeling of like the. Just the Kenny Stablers, the Howie Longs, the Ray guy, it's just Al Davis, John Madden, I mean, it's the history there. But it's 20, 25. None of that shit matters today. It's like, can you win nine games? That's the only thing that matters. We live in a divided country. I am a lifelong Republican with all kinds of different people. You know, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother. That's why we started the Middle with Jeremy Hobson. 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Baseball needs an Anthony Edwards and I don't know who that could be. Mookie Bets is Steph Curry. He's exceptional and likable. Million dollar smile, that's important. But you also need chaos Negro. You need so you think Anthony Edwards is a chaos agent. He told he talked. You saw the clip of him talking to Obama. He was talking to Obama like that was his little brother. Oh yeah, you oh what you did. You killed bin Laden. That's what's up. Listen to Politics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. What teams are you most excited to see draft this year? We talk about the top five picks, but are there other teams and positions you're stoked to see? I do wonder if the Steelers or the Rams will take a quarterback in the first round. Is there a chance that the Rams take a quarterback or this the first couple rounds like a team that is a playoff team Draft a quarterback high. Let's just assume Shador goes to the Giants and obviously Cam Ward goes the Titans. Where do the next couple quarterbacks come and go? I do think eventually like the Chiefs are going to take quarterback not because they'll replace Patrick Mahomes, but historically Andy, who learned from the packers like you take quarterbacks all the time. I could see them like in the third round just have a sweet backup quarterback. I guess they just signed Minshew. Maybe they won't. Maybe that's just not going to be their business anymore. But that was always the Eagles thing. I think I saw how he say something recently was like no team in the history of football has ever benefited more from the backup quarterback than us. Obviously he's got two super bowl rings with backup quarterbacks, foals for Wentz and then Jalen, who was the backup takes over for Wentz, kicks his ass out of town and back in the Andy days they won. You know, McNabb got hurt a bunch of times and they had backup quarterbacks come in and win. Michael Vick was a backup quarterback when he had his breakout season in 2010. So you can't sleep on the backup quarterback. Do you think the Buccaneers are underrated as a franchise? It seems every year the media is picking the Saints or the Falcons to win the division. Yet we've won the division four straight years and before that we won a Super bowl as a wild card. Personally, I think we're significantly better than those teams, but maybe I'm just a homer curious your thoughts on the team as a Whole as well. Also, is Tristan Worst the best tackle in the NFL? On the tackle thing, I mean, we're talking like the best of the best. I'd have to text like some pro personnel guys that grade all these guys to go, who's the best tackle? I'd imagine he'd be pretty high. I mean, be a short list. Best left tackle in the NFL. You know, Darasaw got hurt, Malata would be up there, Trent Williams got hurt. I mean, he'd be near the top, if not the top. Anytime you just go, we got one of the best left tackles in the league. You're in great shape. Yeah, I mean, I think there's something about your division. It's not viewed very highly, which hurts you. Like, when you're really good in the NFC east, you're just going to get a lot of credit when you're really good in certain divisions. The AFC north, the NFC north, we just talk about those divisions a lot. We just don't talk that much about the AFC and NFC South. We honestly talk more about college football than that. But there is no disputing the Buccaneers. Jason Light is easily one of the best GMs in the league. Was like 46 of your 53 guys in the roster last year were drafted players. Your quarterback was you originally got for under $5 million on the roster. And it's resurrected his career. And if you watch Baker Talk, I don't know what the podcast was. I think it was like some sort of like Christian religious podcast he was on. Or maybe he was just talking about his faith. But you listen to Baker Talk, you're like, this guy's a different human, this guy from the guy that was at Cleveland. You know, kind of the cocky chip on his shoulder. He feels like he is just in the zone of being a high level cat now. And sometimes, you know, he credited to religion and finding God, his wife and his kid. And it just. Baker's in a great spot. If I'm a Bucks fan, I go, I like my chances with that guy. So I. Yeah, I mean, I think you guys are in a great spot. I think the only big picture question is like Todd Bowles, like, is he super? I like Todd. He's been cool to me over the years. But if you had a better coach in terms of, for the perception, if I told you Mike Tomlin was your coach or lafleur or, you know, something like that, you'd be like, the Bucs are a powerhouse. We're just like one of the best teams in the league. Instead, I think Todd in a weird way, which is crazy because he's. He's one of the better defensive coaches in the league. Though your defense kind of sucked last year. Wasn't all his fault. They got a bunch of injuries. My God, do we love speed? Rightfully so. Speed is valued very high in the NFL. And as a fan, it's one of the most special parts of the game. I just heard you say fast. Guys usually run the 40 because they're fast. It's so true. Speed is so critical that if you have it, you want to show it off. Two questions. Top speed receiver from each decade, in your opinion, decades you've watched. And speed receiver to maintain dominant speed status the longest throughout their whole career. Given the importance of speed, does the guy have an argument as the number one wide receiver? Goat, I think I might talk about this week. I saw Daniel Jeremiah had a tweet the other day about. He's never seen this many players skip the 40. It's one thing if you're injured, but like, Ashton Jensen just didn't run the 40. Countless other players don't run the 40. Usually if you ran at the combine and you run a good time, like, you don't have to run at the pro day, no big deal. Hell, you do the combine, you work out, you don't have to do anything at the pro day or vice versa. You don't do anything at the combine, you do everything at the pro day, no big deal. Now guys just don't do anything ever. It's kind of just crazy or just a new normal. But I would say the fastest guy in the league over the last decade has been Tyree Kill easily. I don't think there's ever been a player as good as him. You know, Randy Moss was huge. Huge. Would be strong, but tall and long. So it's like his advantage, you know, getting the ball. He was great at shooting his hands late, but he was a tall player. Tyreek's tiny. He's built like a little. Little tank. Speeds elite. I feel like Tyreek in my. In my life. I've said this before. You know, I'd go Jerry Rice again. Young, sentimental, like, I don't think I'm ever budging. It's like Michael Jordan. I'm never budging. Jerry Rice, I'm never budging. I have no problem putting randy as like a 1B. I think Tyreek is right. Like number three, best wide receiver I've ever seen. When you factor in his physicality, I don't know if he's as good anymore. But like in the peak of his powers was an unstoppable force. Unstoppable force. So I'd go in my life, I feel like Tyreek Hill, Randy moss. Tyreek ran a 429. Not bad. Randy Moss. I bet he ran a 434 be my guess. Did he go to the combine? He did. He ran a four two five. So yeah, those guys are fast. It's my thing with genty and I like genty. But when I hear he's a home run hitter, like home run hitter, you go run a 4:4:0. Everyone's like Jameer Gibbs, a home run hitter. Yeah, I am. 435. Randy Moss, Tyreek Hill. They were having wet dreams the night before the 40. It's like, wait till they see this. 425, 429. It's like, Jesus, Dion, you say you could run a 40 backwards, like 4 9. I don't know if that's true or not, but so fast. You kind of believed him. You're like, yeah, might be so. So I'd say Randy Moss and Tyreek Hill are just feels like in a category of their own because we've seen a lot of fast guys that you wouldn't say are like great players. I mean, Randy and Tyreek are, I mean, just two of the better players in like NFL history. I don't know. In a weird way, I feel like Tyreek's kind of underrated. He's just a monster. His last year in Kansas City had 111 catches, nine touchdowns. The year they won the super bowl, looks like he was banged up in 20 when there were no fans. He had 87 catches, 15 tugs. His first two years in Miami, 119. 119. 20 touchdowns, 1700 yards, 1800 yards, averaging 15 yards of catch. His third year in KC was breakout year. 87 catches, 1500 yards, 17 yards of catch. Pull up some Randy stats. I think my favorite Randy Moss stat was Marshall his junior year. Marshall 1997. Played in 13 games. We I guess his two seasons at Marshall, 78 catch. This is his first year because he. He remember he got booted out of Florida State or whatever. 78 catches, 1700 yards, 28 touchdowns. Second year, 96 catches, 1800 yards, 26 touchdowns. In two seasons at Marshall, he had 54 receiving touchdowns. What a beast. Randy's highest Randy's rookie season, he averaged 19 yards a catch, 69 catches, 17 touchdowns. As a rookie, I don't think anyone's ever hit the ground running quite like Randy. 17 touchdowns, 11 touchdowns, 15 touchdowns. So in his first three seasons he had 30, 40, 43 touchdowns. Not bad. I put those guys in a class by themselves. The volume AI is redefining what's possible for your business. With more unique challenges to solve and higher stakes than ever, Microsoft helps you stay ahead. Our trustworthy AI tools and guidance can empower leaders like you to drive greater impact. And with Azure's simplified platform management, we're helping businesses go further, faster, unlocking up to 150% improved output. 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