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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing multiple New York Times bestsellers and one mirrorball trophy from Dancing With a Star. So where else you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything. Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Justin Pennick
What's up everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did.
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Colin Cowherd
The volum. What is going on everybody? How are we doing? Just got home from the Big Easy New Orleans and walked in the door probably a couple hours ago. So I thought, you know, let's do a little podcast because we recorded with Stucky earlier in the week. He will be on the back end of the pod and we dove into the game. Props just gambling on it. Straight up, what we liked, what we Don't I I hammered home a Jalen Travis Kelsey anytime touchdown between the two of them early in the week. So that's, that's what I got going. I think it pays like plus 4:40. Maybe it's plus 3:40. I put a thousand to win 4,500. So excited to watch the game and watch those two guys score a touchdown. So I don't really have any takes on the game left. We've talked ad nauseam about it with I went on with Colin this week Stuckey and I. So I, I do want to just go over some stuff that happened in New Orleans. It was, it was a trip so the party, the volume party last night to going somehow I, I was gotten to Club Shay Shay Shannon's party. Not because he invited me but it was fun. And yeah other than that we no mailbag and I'm not going to record a mailbag for Saturday because I'm going to be at waste management all day tomorrow. So probably we'll talk to you next on Sunday night with Colin. So excited for that. And yeah make sure you subscribe to the podcast if you listen on Colin's feed. Make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel if you like watching the video presentations to the podcast and yeah but before we dive into some football, give a shout out to my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast. Do you want to go to a game? You want to I as you leave, you know the Superdome and right next to is the Smoothie King arena where you know Zion's having some smoothies. But if you want to go to a game, if you want to go to event, if you want to go, you name it. 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Last minute tickets, lowest price is guaranteed. I feel very fortunate that Colin is not a big believer in Radio Row and because if he was, I mean, what would I do? Not go. I would go and I would participate. I've always hated Radio Row. I participated in it when I was in the radio world and I just thought it was so cookie cutter. And if you don't have relationships and you're not super famous like a coward or Stephen A. Your interviews with a lot of these guys are just not very good. Now, it doesn't mean that some can't turn out to be, but that environment is just not for me and I'm glad that he looks down upon it. He just shows up for the party broadcast a couple days live and then he's out of there. But the main, I mean, the only reason I went, and I probably would not have gone if we don't do this yearly party and I go really for two reasons. To see people like Colin and other people that run the volume and then see which these people are part of it as well. Our sales teams and the sponsors. And one consistent theme I've gotten the last couple years and I know this going in, but you know, when you're with people in person, you're hearing this stuff. You know, we, we crush it when it comes to the advertisers love being a part of the show. And that's because we. And when I say we, you guys have been very successful for them. Because when we promote stuff and we try to make it stuff that I like, like I'm wearing Travis Matthews right now, you guys, that campaign, they were blown away. They were like, Middle Cough is pushing some serious product, you know, Game time. We're the only show on the Volume that they've come back to and they're the official ticketing app of this podcast. And it's a testament to you guys the loyalty of the show. You know, we've kind of been, you know, I'm not on television every day, right? I'm not super famous when it comes to, like some of these people that talk for a living. And that's fine. Like, I don't. You couldn't pay me to be on television. Well, you probably could, but I wouldn't leave Scottsdale. If you got a studio here, I might be able to make it. But My point is that this has been kind of like an underground, just swinging away at our pick and grinding now for six, seven years, building this thing up, and it's really become very successful. And I owe it all to you guys for listening to the show, telling people about this show, and being very loyal to what we've got going here. And I obviously, I mean, if you listen, you know, I take this very seriously. Like, I. I do these every day for a reason. I've. I've told a lot of people. I approach. It's like a daily radio show, but this is also my business. Like, this is my life. Like, all my chips are in the middle of the table on this venture. Like, this is. I own this stuff. Like, this is my. This is all I have. Like, I don't have other, you know, side businesses like this. This is. This is my profession. And I. I really, really appreciate, and so does everyone that's a part of this thing is just very impressed by what we got going on, and it's all because of you. So I. I mean, I truly. This sounds cheesy or whatever, but thank you from the bottom of my heart for listening whenever you can, telling people about it. It's. It's freaking awesome. And like I said, I mean, the reason I go is, like, to talk to people, part of the volume. I just. I got some ideas brewing, but I. You know, and also to talk to the sponsors and stuff. So last night at the party, just a little rundown. It's a lot of people, like, I would say media people. And then there's some, like, all of a sudden, you'll look, and there will be Terrell Owens. Like, God, Terrell Owens looks fantastic. How does Terrell Owens look so good? He looks exactly like he did when he played for, like, the Eagles in 2005. I was talking to someone on the Eagle staff. I was like. And I noticed this a couple weeks ago, and he brought it up. He's like, howie looks the same. I'm like, howie looks the exact same of when I met him in 2010, and he was 35 years old. Now he's like 49, 50, and he literally looks the same. I feel like I look dramatically different than I did five years ago. Maybe I put on a little weight, fluctuate. You know, diet can be up and down. But my point, it's great. I'm looking at Terrell Owens. Shannon Sharp. Shannon Sharp looks like he could play middle linebacker for the San Francisco 49ers. Like, he looks like Ray Lewis, except he's got him by a couple inches. Shannon Sharp is Matt. He looks just fantastic. And I, I saw Matt Patricia, I'm leaving to kind of go put, you know, my mindset, going to this party. Listen, this is a business trip. I'll have a cocktail. I'm going to drink a lot of water, maybe sip on a beer, but I'm not drinking all of a sudden. That was the plan. I was doing a pretty good job. But then, you know, it gets like nine, 30, 10. You're like, I got five or six vodkas and it's just nice. Starts flowing. I see Matt Patricia and I'm like, God, I've been pretty hard on this guy. And I recently listened to some of his podcasts he did with Julian Edelman, and I was like, you know what? I kind of like this guy. Like, he seems like a likable human. I've seen him on with Portnoy. It's like, I don't. Why, Like, I don't need to not like this guy. He didn't do anything to me. I'm not a Patriot guy. He had a bad year calling offense, you know, even last year, the defense was not his fault with the Eagles. He got thrust into the situation and I thought, should I go apologize to him now? He, he. There's, I would say, 95% chance he wouldn't know me from the man on the moon. So even if I went up to him, be like, bro, yeah, I don't care. But of the slim chance that he does, obviously his reaction to me would probably be negative. But I ended up not doing it. But it did cross my mind. Now everyone was leaving, hopping into this bus. So I was like, yeah, I gotta go. But it did cross my mind. But it was, you know, it was a good time. Just you just talking. A lot of talking a lot of. You know, when. When you put a party together full of television people, podcasters and radio hosts of people to just talk for a living, everyone was just trying to talk over the other people. Like, it just. It's a lot of talkers in one area. I mean, it is a ton of people that just think everything that's coming out of their mouth means a lot. And listen, I'm guilty of this too. So I'm not, I'm not pointing the finger here at anyone that wouldn't point back at myself, but it's you just looking around and everyone is just talking each other's heads off. So it was really, really enjoyable. Obviously, a lot of positive feedback. I'm, you Know Jamie Horowitz, who is partners with Colin and the Volume, and I think he's the president or partners with Peyton in Omaha. I'm like, listen, I need Peyton. Eli. We got to make this happen sometime this spring or summer. I will come out to Denver. I want to play golf, film it with Peyton, have him on the pod. But I want to hang out with Peyton Manning in a professional setting. Man, we can have cocktails, too. Beers. But I pitched that hard. I pitched that really hard. I also met the Cavino and Rich. Who any of you guys that follow Collins podcast feed. They're on there. And Covino's story of working at the radio station Howard Stern worked at in the mid to late 90s, and being around him and then going to Sirius with them, I. I mean, it really is pretty crazy how powerful, you know, I mean, the two biggest radio hosts in the history of America in terms of money were Rush Limbaugh and Howard Stern. There's really not even a close third. I mean, at one point in time, he was telling me Howard Stern was making, like, $150 million a year. And this is like the early 2000s. Obviously, $150 million a year now is still a shitload of money. It was a lot more money back then. Like, there's not, like, many things in the world that wouldn't essentially be free. So, I mean, it's pretty crazy how much in his heyday he was making, how powerful his brand was. I mean, Series XM didn't even really operate. They signed him and I mean, became a business model. Just one human being built the business model under him. And then somehow, with one of our. The head sales guys for Iheart and some other radio hosts from Nashville, who I didn't know, I just met him last night. Like, we're going another party. I'm like, shit, I'm in. Let's go. Where are we going? And all of a sudden, we take this van to the casino. I didn't even realize there were casinos in downtown New Orleans. And we are going up, escalators, back rooms. All of a sudden, the door opens, someone gives you a wristband. They're like, who are you here with? I'm like, these guys. And you get the wristband on, you walk in, and it is Club Shay Shay. It is Shannon Sharp's party. It is everything you'd think it would be. It's kind of dark. I mean, it's got to be at the top of the casino. Dark. Some windows looking out over New Orleans, just bar packed A ton of dudes, and I mean, a ton of dudes who I grew up watching. I mean, everywhere you look there, you'd bump into Tim Brown. You'd bump into, you know, Michael Irvin. It was just, you know, kind of Warren Moon, just like his crew. His era of just, like, all these that played in the 80s and the 90s. Like, I'm not saying they are, and I'm not trying to be that guy, but, like, you just don't get any tougher than these guys. And the one thing you realize, being at the super bowl, being around these NFL guys, they are massive. They are very, very big. I mean, they're all. Even just the receiver. Like, you run into Tim Brown or Michael Irvin. Like, good luck tackling that guy. When I flew out, Debo Samuel was on my flight, and we got deplaned from the flight. It was kind of. I mean, honestly, it's pretty tragic. Someone died. We got on the plane. Probably half the plane was on the plane. Then all of a sudden, they scream over the. The emergency. You know, the. Like, the pilot does, hey, is there a medical professional? Is there a medical professional? All of a sudden, some. A lady runs up, and we're just sitting there for, like, 20 minutes, and I see Debo go to the bathroom. And he comes back and some late. He was, like, a couple rows ahead of me. And some ladies ask him, like, what was going on. I mean, they don't know who he is. And he's like, yeah, he's just laying there. It doesn't look like he's moving. And then it was like, another 15 minutes. I'm like, I had to go to the bathroom. When I went to the bathroom, they were giving him the shock treatment, and it was clearly not good. And, you know, they didn't tell me directly, but I was like, did he pass? Because they. They make us all get off the plane. We had to wait hours. And she basically alluded to it did not go well. So that's just. It was hard to even be mad. It's like, my day. I mean, I can't even imagine. I was trying to take a flight to New Orleans. All of a sudden, he lost his life. But I was sitting on d plane. I'm sitting next to Debo, and I've seen him at practice. I may have been to a ton of practices with Evo Samuel, but when you sit next to him, the size. I mean, the size and the thickness of all these guys, it's like, this is a grown man's league. It really is. At the party last night, you know, Colin and a bunch of his crew from LA flew out on Thursday morning to New Orleans and Bryce Young was on the flight and Greg Tuohy, who works on Colin show, was like, bro, it was crazy how small he is. I'm like, yeah, he's probably the smallest player in the history of the league. Definitely a quarterback. I mean, he's like five nine, a buck 80. Like that. That is not the size of these guys. I mean, they are ma. I can't tell you how many. The thing with the NFL, you can run into a guy if you're not like working in the league or he's not on your team. You just don't know exactly who it is. But, you know, like, yeah, it's gotta be a D tackler, guard. Like, they're just. I walk around society, humans don't look like that. I don't. I'm not going to ask the guy who he is, but he's an NFL player and they just are bigger than all the other humans. And then we go to Shay Shay, and it is just. It's dark. It's just early, late 90s, early 2000s, like a lot of like Jagged Edge. It's everything I would imagine. And I'm like, you know what? I got to go introduce myself to Shannon. I work with Shannon, right? All part of this volume. I'm like a co worker Shannon. And again, he's. He's sitting next to Stephen A. And they're just, you know, some ladies around them, like, life's good for those two guys. I'm like, you know, I'm just gonna go talk to Shannon Sharp. And I tried. And now, granted, it was loud. Probably not the ideal situation. I bet when I left that interaction, if you told me that he thought that I was like the guy that cleans the toilets at Fox Sports 1 very possible. I also tried to do it with Ochocinko. Now he was like passing by. Also didn't go that well. I would say the coolest conversation I had there by a mile was to KO Spikes. And you always got to do. You know, when you see these guys, I'm never. I always try to have an in.
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Colin Cowherd
Like, I ran into Ladanian and Tomlinson today. Well, I'm good buddies with Lorenzo Neal, so is. He's really good friends with him. I mean, it's like one of Ladanian Thomas's best friends. So it's like, okay, that's my end. So I walk up to LT in the gym and I go, hey, Lo. Neal's one of my good buddies. And he smiles and we start BSing for a minute. And so you gotta have it in. So I look at Takeo and I was like, I loved you when you played that year for the 49ers. And he lit up. He was like, that was one of my favorite years of my career. And then we started bs and I said, hey, man, I used to work for Coach Reed and Spags. Well, he played for the Eagles. And you're looking at Takeo Spikes, and you go, I can't even imagine. And Takeo looks like he easily could give the Eagles or Chiefs 30 snaps, especially against the run. Fucking being a running back and meeting that guy in the hole. Good luck. Like, the one thing I would say the smallest awesome player that I ran into by a mile was Ladanian Tomlinson. And he's been retired for a long time. And he just, in general, isn't that tall. So, like, if you didn't know exactly who he was, you wouldn't think, like, that's an NFL player. But also, in the gym, I'm pretty sure it was Anquan Bolden who was giving a workout. He was there an hour going, like he is training for the NFL draft. It was great. I was like, if that is Anquan Bolden, I'm pretty sure it is. He is getting after it. But KO Spikes, man, you talk about a badass. There was, like, an intensity to him. He was cool. So that. That was fun. And then I was like, okay, I. I gotta just go home. It's like 1:00 in the morning. Nothing's really ha. It's like, I don't know anyone at this event. It's just. It feels like it's kind of clearing out too. So kind of make my way down. I'm like, I'm starving because I didn't eat any dinner. I had, like, kind of a late lunch. I just. I didn't feel it was so hot and humid. I just ordered room service. I got a chicken sandwich. The bread was awful, so I basically just ate the chicken. And you kind of eat some, like, handheld snacks at the volume party. And all of a sudden I see this, like, little pizza hole in the wall. It's like 1:00 in the morning. I'm like, I'm gonna get a slice of pizza, end up getting two. But who's in there? Lindale White. It's me and Lindale White. So I'm like, well, I gotta say something to him. So we Just started talking about the Trojans. And one thing is, when you're ever around someone from usc, the best way to just end your conversation when, when you're walking away is just go fight on. And that's been my go to move with a lot of these Trojan players for a long time. And he looks at me and he goes, fight on. I walked out with my pieces of pizza, slammed him and went to bed. This morning I ran into Sam Darnold multiple times. And we actually ended up talking golf for a minute about where he plays in Southern California. And then we're talking, he's wearing a master shirt, so we're talking about golf and how he plays with Josh Allen. Then all of a sudden I look up and coming in the door is Jared Goff. I'm like, this is. And I'm staying at the JW Marriott. Not because, well, I mean, I, I get free points. I, I don't travel that much. So when I do, I am more inclined to go to the nicer hotel and on. And honestly, I mean, the hotel was technically free for me because I use my points and they screwed me out of room. So I got the first night free. But the, the JW was, I mean, just loaded with players. And that's where the quarterbacks were saying the thing about Sam Darnold. And this is why I always say about quarterbacks. And then when Jared Goff walked In, I'm like 5:10. They are huge. I mean, they're not like super thick. I would guess both Sam may weigh 220, maybe Golf 215, somewhere in that range. But they are both pushing 6 foot 5. They are really, really tall. And this is why you think height doesn't mean anything. It's like, yeah, it kind of matters. It helps to be able to see Jared Goff can't move. So it helps to be able to sit in the pocket and release the ball from the middle of the pocket and be able to not have to move to see over your guard or tackle. But one thing that hit me, whether it was whoever, and again, most of these people I'm just starting a conversation with do not know me, right? We do not have a relationship. And I'm not trying to like, hey, I'm calling. I've just tried to talk like a normal human. And I would say, and I've always thought this, the NFL is full of really, really high level guys. There's a lot of humility to a lot of these guys, especially at when they're playing in the league. And I think a huge part of it is they get yelled at constantly. They get criticized all the time. Like I watched Debo when we got deploying, sit there and there was this dude who was just decked out in Kansas City gear and he was flying to the, to the game or not to the. I don't think he was actually going to the game, but he's flying in New Orleans and he was just shooting the shit with Ebo, like peppering him with football questions. I think he was on. Debo was on his fantasy team and Debo couldn't have been any nicer. It's like you just see these guys and I remember back in the day when, when the league was kind of going through it when some of their guys were getting in trouble. Even then it was such a small percentage of players who were kind of like slap dicks. The, the, the, the large percentage of this league is pretty easy going, nice guys. They're just obviously really good, you know, absolute monsters on the football field. But I've always been impressed by that. When I worked in the league, when I did radio, when I was around them a lot. And you go to events like this and you just see them interact. It's like pretty high level group. The, the NFL is in really, really good shape with, with the crew of guys they have. And that was kind of it. Then I got into a plane and I got the hell out of there. So it's 36, 38 hours. Felt, felt about right. And yeah, I, I think that it's. That place is crazy, man. If you've never been, you got, you gotta probably enjoy. We'll dive into them in a minute. This ain't the little itty bitty tiny bowl. This is the Super Bowl 59. Get in on the action at DraftKings Sportsbook and official sports betting partner of Super Bowl 59. Scoring touchdowns is key to hosting the Vince Lombardi trophy. And you have a shot to score big by betting on them at DraftKings Sportsbook, the number one place to bet touchdowns. Ready to place your first bet? Try betting on something simple like a player. To score a TD. Go to DraftKings sportsbook app and make your pick. 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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you gonna find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic nature NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I. I texted you and you text me back. Now I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm gonna be honest, it was a little pink.
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Colin Cowherd
There was something sentimental when you, when you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't. They don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
One thing I want to hit on is I watched Miles Garrett with Rich Eisen. So after his trade request and then him talking about it, I thought he did it in a really, really level headed way. And like, I think it's at this time, like, if you're Cleveland, I think you just trade him. I think the time is now. I think he's handling it in a very mature way. I think he was smart to handle it that way. Basically put out, like, come get me, guys. Make sure you start calling them, because if I do not put this out there, they're not going to put it out. And, you know, Cleveland only has themselves to blame. Like, they were out of the deshaun Watson business. This all gets back to them or him. And I think anytime you know what Miles Garrett is saying without saying, this franchise is fucked and I want no part of it. I don't want to be part of this team with this elephant in the room with this contract. It's an. It's an anchor on our franchise and there is no way out, no matter what we do. Even if we draft a quarterback at number two, the likelihood that it's going to be C.J. stroud is probably not that high. It's more likely that it looks like a lot of these quarterbacks, it's a struggle for them as a rookie. So, like, sometimes you see Max Crosby's tunes change a little bit. Like, it. He goes back and forth. Because I think at Max Crosby's core, he wants to win, and he wants it to be in. In. In Oak or Vegas, you know, I think at Miles Garrett's core, he just knows, like, this is not a place. And I don't know if, you know, Max is going to be able to realize that, especially this year. Like, more than likely the Raiders aren't going to be good this year and he's going to continue wasting years in his prime. Like, I wouldn't fault Max either if he did the same thing, which I don't expect him to do now that Pete Carroll's there. But, like, I, I never have a problem with a guy requesting a trade if they've been there for a long time and they've produced. You know, I have a problem when guys request a trades. Like, they're in their, like, second year. It's like, oh, they're. There's now competition in the wide receiver room. It's like, suck it up, bro. You're not Jerry Rice. Like, calm down. You know, but this guy has given you eight, nine years. He's been an all pro Pro Bowler for six, seven straight. He just was a defensive player of the year. Like, there's nothing else. He plays his balls off. Like, what else do you want out of the guy? He's given you all he has. And I think anytime that you kind of put all your chips in the middle of the table and you, you know, you give it all, whether it's to a personal relationship, whether it's to a professional relationship, and you get to a point where, yeah, this isn't going to work. And I think most of us, I can just speak for myself because I. Maybe we're all different. You know, some people that are very analytical in numbers driven try to quantify it more. I'm always. And I've always been, and still to this day, moving forward, like, I'm a gut feel. I'm a feel guy. I know. Like, I just have to trust when something on or off. And I think most humans, I do think that crosses you. Now, some people need to validate it by something tangible on paper or tangible on an Excel spreadsheet. But it's pretty clear, like, Miles Garrett understands where this franchise is at and it's not going to change. Okay, how about my Friends at Louisiana Hot Sauce bring. Let's talk about a city that's really hot and a team that's really hot. Presented by our friends at Louisiana Hot Sauce. Saw them last night. Bring the food at your big game party to a whole new level with the original Louisiana brand hot sauce with bold, authentic flavor that embodies the rich culinary tradition of Louisiana. The original Louisiana brand hot sauce is perfect for those who demand great flavor with just the right amount of heat. I would say this, there is no hotter city. Literally. It was 75 degrees and humid. How do people and I, like the south, get married in Nashville here in about a month. But when I see 75 degrees and it's February 3rd, I don't expect humidity. So when you get out of the plane, it's like legitimately humid. I mean, today walking around like I was sweating, I was like, God, this is brutal. But that city is made for the Super Bowl. There are certain places that are made to host the super bowl, like in theory, like, oh, Los Angeles. Not a great super bowl city. It's really spread out, doesn't really work. You go, well, Scottsdale, Scottsdale is pretty cool, but where everything is in old town is 45 minutes away from where the stadium is. So it's not like this. I've talked to my buddies with the Eagles. They are going to walk from their hotel to the Superdome on Super Bowl Sunday to go to the game. Everything's in walking distance. It is tailor made to host these events. And I think it's perfect that when the Kansas City Chiefs are trying to become the most historic team in the history of the league, no team has ever won three straight Super Bowls. Are they the best team of all time? We can debate that till the cows come home. Do they have the best roster of all time? Obviously not. But I do believe this. If they win this super bowl in New Orleans, no one's ever doing that again. No one's ever winning three Super Bowls. I don't even think I, I, I'd be shocked non Chiefs, if a team ever went to three straight Super Bowls again. It's just very, very difficult in this salary cap league because typically during that time you would have to pay some players and then you have to get rid and your roster dramatically changes. Somehow the Chiefs were able to change their roster and trade Tyreek Hill, who's like one of the great wide receivers in the history of the league and still be awesome. But I think it's awesome that they're doing in New Orleans that place. If you told me the super bowl, it was like the Masters. The super bowl was in New Orleans every single year. I don't think many people would complain or if you just told me it was a two city rotation, New Orleans and Miami, back and forth. Because I was, I was asking someone this, like, well, isn't the stadium kind of old? And yeah, it's not great, but who cares? It's not even about the stadium. That's not super bowl week. Super bowl week is about everything else. The festivities, the food. And the one thing with New Orleans is like, it's got something for everybody. If you want to rage, go to Bourbon street. And that place is jumping. If you just want to go to some sweet dinner, you're on the other side of Canal Street. There are just restaurants everywhere. They're like, this place is sweet. This place is sweet. I asked some people to recommend, like, where should I go? They're like, well, this one, this one, this one, this one. They're all five minutes away. There's a casino, multiple casinos downtown. Like, this is heaven. This is awesome. So props to New Orleans. You talk about a city that is literally and figuratively hot right now. It is just a perfect, perfect super bowl city. So stay hot, New Orleans. That's brought to you by my friends at Louisiana Hot Sauce. Because Louisiana hot Sauce is hot and is the perfect pick to match your game day eats. When it comes to cybersecurity, ThreatLocker delivers a radically different approach to securing your endpoints. Instead of trying to detect the undetectable, you start by identifying what applications you trust in your environment. With threat locker, allow listing, then control how these trusted applications interact using ThreatLocker ring fencing solution to further the security of your network. To keep bad actors out, deny them by default. 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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say. With Bobby Bones and Matt Castle between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with the Star. So where else you can find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like it's all colored. They changed it and the. The heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest, it was a little pink.
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Stucky
There was something sentimental when you like.
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Colin Cowherd
When, when you send it, you like, do I send the heart Now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Let's have a lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
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Stucky
Yeah, it was an electric amateur. It was funny. They were.
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Colin Cowherd
We're talking John Calari Kentucky, by the way.
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Stucky
Yeah, they were. Yeah, there was a lot of booze. My. I went with my.
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Colin Cowherd
One of those. One of those games where it's just packed 20 minutes before, huh?
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Stucky
Yep. Even prior to that. But they always give you bottles of beer at rup, but they had all the workers pouring beers into cups, which is very annoying for them. Full stadium. It was a Cal party request. He requested no bottles. I guess he was afraid that people were going to throw bottles.
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Colin Cowherd
Do you think they would have? Honestly? I mean.
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Stucky
No, I don't think so.
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Colin Cowherd
That seems crazy.
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Stucky
But yeah, it got. Got kind of contentious at the end with some of the players and the fans. But yeah, disappointing game for Kentucky fans. But yeah, it was not, not, not the best game for Kentucky. So we'll see if they can bounce back. But yeah, last football game until August. Kind of sad.
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Colin Cowherd
It really is. We're recording this early in the week, so obviously things can change a little bit. I mean, I think these practices. I was talking to a buddy on the Chiefs. You know, once you get to the site, the practices aren't exactly, you know, I think they have intense practices, usually last week where some pads get sweat. This is more, you know, midway walkthrough. And if you look at these teams, right, they both, I mean, they had a lot of veteran players. The Eagles got some influx of young guys. I mean, the Chiefs have younger players, but it's like, I remember last year I was in Vegas and I went out with one of my buddies on the scouting staff and he's like, you know what's crazy? He's like. And that was before they had won the game, but they were about to win the game. Like, think about Karlovskis and McDuffie. Who were. They trade Tyree Kill. They use their two first round picks. They trade up, they get McDuffie. They actually do a trade with. With Belichick to get Karlovsky. Those two. All those two guys know they're two time super bowl champs. They've been in the league. This is their third year. They've won two rings and they are favored to win their third straight. I mean, that's, I think like Joe Montana, you know, mean Joe Green, like the history of the league. No one could even relate to the life they're leading. And Patrick Mahomes can't relate to the life they're leading. They're living good, bro.
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Stucky
It's insane.
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Colin Cowherd
They're living good. I, I, I've already, I saw you during Pebble Beast, tweet out some live wagers. Your boy. You know, I put in like a thousand bucks and I spread it around and I put a little on Rory before 14 to 1. So I hit that like I had, I got a little, I got a little action. I've already placed a Kelsey Jalen, same game parlay to both score. I guess we have to just talk about the big picture game before we get into all the props. I mean, I've learned my lesson betting against Kansas City, though I do think, you know, if you just look at their last two games, I think this Eagles team is definitely better than the, than the last two teams they beat. But I'm not trying to justify or figure this out. Once your Ravens two years ago lost that game, it's like I'm just not betting against this team. I've learned my lesson. I just bet on the football gods taking them out with Josh Allen, the Bills. That didn't happen. I heard a stat from cousin Sal that, you know, if you like the favor to win, like they usually cover, I think like a large percentage of the teams, the last of the last like 15 years, it was just the Rams. I think it was a close game. But other than that, like the favors favorites just cover. So if you like Kansas City obviously just, just hammer one and a half, which is what they were just last week. And they hammered that pretty easily. I guess not super easily, but I just think, how do you bet against the Chiefs? I mean, you know, it's just when you look at it, you go, Andy Reid, Mahomes versus Sirianni and Jalen, though it's not that simple because I mean, Daryani is not calling plays. He's just kind of sitting there with Dom motivating the troops. It's really Andy versus Fangio, but Patrick and Andy. Now granted, he was on some, you know, Denver wasn't exactly a great team when he was there. They kicked their ass. So it's just how do we get around going the Philadelphia Eagles are going to win this game? Because I saw this clip. I think I was at the gym within the last like month and they were replaying the super bowl from Arizona. I had forgotten that the Chiefs were down 10 points at halftime to the Eagles.
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Stucky
I mean, Hertz played amazing and they still lost like they were getting worked.
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Colin Cowherd
Yep.
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Stucky
Well, you say you don't bet against gnomes in the playoffs. You've learned your lesson.
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Colin Cowherd
He's. He's been down at all three of these Super Bowls in the second half. All three of them.
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Stucky
All four. Four.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, but I'm talking about the ones he's won.
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Stucky
Yeah. Uh, but all. Yeah, the one he lost, he was down. Yeah. 20, 19. They were tied at the half and then trouble in the second half. They were tied 10 10, 1 3, 12 0, 20, 20. They were down 216 at the half. Lost 31 9, 20 22. Down 2414 into the first half. 1383 5. That was against the Eagles. And then Last year down 103 at the end of the first half. 125, 22. Mahomes 8. No straight up. And against the spread in the playoffs as a favorite of under a field goal or an underdog. So yeah, why bet against them? But I put a. I placed the wager on something that I bet last year. I bet the 49ers first half. I bet the Eagles first half. It was a plus one and a half out there. But even plus half. Plus half is fine. I paid a little extra for plus one half. Maybe it's a little lower scoring early. Maybe Jake Elliott misses an extra point.
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Colin Cowherd
But you're not worried about Philly being a pretty terrible starting team most of the season?
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Stucky
Yeah, that worries me a little bit. But the, the Chiefs have started slow in all of these Super Bowls as well, which is surprising. But because when I, when I break these two teams down, if you, if you look at the rosters like position by position offensive line like give me Philadelphia wide receivers, give me Philadelphia running back, give me Philadelphia like tight end. Maybe I'm close to Wash and Kelsey in the playoffs is different but it's not a huge edge defensive line. I'm. I'd take Philadelphia. I mean Chris Jones is a monster Carl at this is really good. So maybe it's close to even linebacker without Dean. Maybe it's close to Eden secondary. I'll take Philadelphia. So where's the difference? It's quarterback and coaching. So again like if Mahomes has the ball late with a chance to win the game, he's probably going to win. It will hurts against Spags defense not as confident in saying that. Who do I trust to make better adjustments at halftime? The Chiefs. So I took the plus I took the points with the Eagles in the first half. Although I expect the Chiefs to win, I will look to bet this game live just like I did Chiefs Bills. Every time the Chiefs went up, I'll bet the Bills live. Then the Bills would score. I would bet the Chiefs live. Like the most likely outcome is Chiefs win this game by three, which they seem to do more often than not in the playoffs, in Super Bowls, in the regular season, whenever they just do enough to win. And yeah. So I bet the Eagles first half will be looking to bet the Chiefs live to. Don't fault anyone for betting Chiefs full game for sure. It's just Mahomes and that staff. They get it done. Their offense is now healthier. They obviously also hold stuff back. It's pretty obvious in the regular season they kind of just do what they need to do. And then like last week, you have the wrinkles of Mahomes running the ball. So they have now you have two weeks to prepare. You're going to see some more wrinkles on offense. You're going to see Spags have some, some wrinkles and some, you know, some blitzes that just catch the Eagles off guard. Hertz holds the ball forever. How many drives does that kill? The game plan is going to be focused on especially on early down zone, taking away Barkley, Kenny, break runs. That'll be interesting to watch. But the really interesting part about this match is you have two teams that really control the ball. They're used to just dominating time possession and now they're playing against each other. Who is going to win that battle? Who's going to be able to convert those third downs more often over the course of the game? It's probably the Chiefs. Can they prevent the Eagles from getting the fourth and one from getting all those tush pushes? So I think it'll be a super competitive game. I think the Eagles have a better roster. But as we've seen so many times in this game, just like that San Francisco game. I thought San Francisco had the better roster. It's Mahomes, Reed and that staff that'll probably be the difference. But I think it'll be a competitive game that the one thing, look, you can be tired of the Chiefs and. But the one thing that you can say is they at least usually give us a, you know, in a compelling game. That's close.
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Colin Cowherd
For sure. For sure. I mean I, to me they are the, the one thing the Patriots brought to the table and obviously that, that thing, I mean, who knows? I mean this Chiefs early on, I mean Mahomes is, I don't even think 30 yet. Andy Definitely, he's. He's slimmed down, he's eaten well. So he's a young vibrant 66. I mean he's still got, he ain't going away and Veech is young. I mean this kind of nucleus now maybe Chris Jones and Kelsey change out as the Patriot change out some players but they're not necessarily going away. But people got tired of the Patriots but they were always entertaining games. Like they, their games were part of their legend is it was just must watch tv. You know, it wasn't some blowout. You know that Seattle Denver game in New York. I was like that sucked. No one believes that's ever going to happen with the Chiefs. Literally it doesn't happen this season. Every single game in somewhat looks the same and they end up winning what, 17 of the 19 of the games and one of them they punted, one of them they didn't even care.
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Stucky
Yeah. And they've won like an NFL record number of 1 possession games in a row. And a lot of that is reliable kicker, good coaching, hall of Fame quarterback who's going to win you the game late and they, they just do enough to win. And then you got a defensive coordinator who's going to call up timely blitzes like just that are against what the other off with what their tendency breakers. We saw that against the Bills on that key fourth down Bills were not expecting them to blitz as they did and it ended up winning them the game. So they just have at the end of the game they just have so many championship caliber characteristics from the coaching to the special teams to most importantly the quarterback especially you give Mahomes four downs and he needs it to go down the field, he's probably going to get it done. So yeah it's. I think that the Eagles have the better overall team but against the Chiefs and all their championship DNA, a lot of times that doesn't matter.
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Colin Cowherd
Well if you go back two years ago and I remember my buddies with the Eagles are like listen, we really like Gannon. We think he's going to be a better head coach than he was a coordinator. Like he's just good with the team, good motivating. But he's not, no one's getting him confused with Steve Spagnolo or whatever.
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Stucky
Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
So they've upgraded a defensive coordinator since two years ago. That defense was good, right? Didn't they lead the league in sacks? I mean they had like four double digit guys interior and exteriors like Fletcher Hargrave and a couple of the edge rushers. But this defensive line right now is played pretty well and you'd go they upgraded at coordinator and slay was a little younger. Obviously a couple years ago, Bradbury was just okay, so they're probably better at corner, very similar at safety. They literally just brought the dude back. CJ who played in that game, took a year off, came back. But what do you make of if you go okay that. Because that Eagles defense was pretty top notch, very similar this year. Could you even argue an upgrade? But the coordinator who is I. I think one of the better ones of his generation. But the matchup with Andy and Mahomes being comfortable with, you know, Vic ain't Belichick. It doesn't look different every week. Like he. You kind of know what you're getting and, and when he's got really good players and I saw it firsthand with the Niners, he will beat the shit out of you. And I remember going to a game when he played the Chiefs, when Andy first got it, the Chiefs were pretty good. He turned it around quick because they were really good on defense. But Alex was kind of their limitation. I remember they beat him in a, in a. In just a bloodbath game between the two teams like Tom Bali and Justin Houston. It was like, God, this thing's. Someone's going to get like die on the field here. But. But once he got Mahomes and playing those Denver teams. But it's also like those Denver teams were terrible. It wasn't all fix fault. Right.
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Stucky
So.
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Colin Cowherd
So what do you make of that?
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Stucky
Yeah, I mean I, I'm fascinated to watch. I mean the. I think it was defense they addressed. You got to give Howie Roseman a lot of credit. They addressed their biggest needs on that side of the ball. Number one coordinator upgrade. But their corners were lacking and they brought in DeJean and Mitchell who have both hit. I mean they're. They're playing outstanding. And then linebacker was a huge position of need and they brought in Zach Bound and he's played at an all pro level and you know you had Nicobe Dean who unfortunately got hurt. But they really addressed their biggest needs and it's translated on the field. They've arguably been the best defense in the NFL this year. I'm always so fascinated to watch. You have two weeks to prepare. You know, there are. There is some familiarity there. You know, the Chiefs are going to have some wrinkles on both sides of the ball. What do the Eagles do from. Because you have to change what you already have on film. You have to come with some new wrinkles against Mahomes. So that's what I'm most fascinated to watch. I do think that their their corners can match up on the outside with the Chiefs wide receivers and I anticipate the Chiefs will try to attack over the middle of the field and the Chiefs running. I mean the Eagles run D's been really good to the Chiefs rushing attack has not been as efficient since they kicked out Tooney to left tackle, which Reed said they're going to still do. I think Bones is just more comfortable when he's a left tackle from a protection standpoint, but it's definitely weakened their run blocking with Caliento left guard. He's got Tooney all pro left guard and you know you get a did.
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Colin Cowherd
They have the best guard, center guard combo in the league?
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Stucky
You think yeah, he was there and then you know do your tackles. You had a big left tackle struggled in pass protection which could ruin a game, which is probably why they're more comfortable with Tuni out there. But you had a big tackle and then Tuni at left guard. That right interior like your running game was much better. So this will probably be a just higher volume Mahomes passing game which we we see in the playoffs more often than not. But what wrinkles does Fangio have is and they'll be across the board. Like we can look at this matchup and what these teams have done all year, but it's the super bowl, it's one game, there's two weeks to prepare. There's going to be some schematic surprises and that could end up deciding the.
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Colin Cowherd
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Bobby Bones
Hey, it's Bobby Bones. Join me and former NFL quarterback Matt Castle every Wednesday for our new podcast, Lots to say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle. Between us, we have over 17,500 passing yards, multiple New York Times bestsellers, and one mirror ball trophy from Dancing with a Star. So where else are you going to find a show with that much athleticism and football insight? Based in Nashville, we're more than just your basic NFL show. We talk sports, but we talk pop culture and music and a little bit of everything because we got lots to say. I texted you and you text me back. Now, I don't know if you have the update, but, like, all the little thumbs up and heart and stuff, like, it's all colored. They changed it, and the heart's a little pink. It felt like I told you I loved you. I'm going to be honest. It was a little pink.
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Stucky
There was something sentimental when you.
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Colin Cowherd
When you send it. It was like, do I send the heart now?
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Bobby Bones
I don't like the color edition.
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Colin Cowherd
It's extremely pink.
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Bobby Bones
Listen to Lots to Say with Bobby Bones and Matt Castle on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Justin Pennick
What's going on, everybody? This is Justin Pennock from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast alongside Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We're rolling three times a week, on Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're talking about the MVP race. Is Josh Allen going to pull it out? Lamar Jackson? Can Saquon Barkley even break the rushing record? Can the Steelers keep up their momentum? We talk about everything. We break it down. Stats, analytics. And of course, Chris Rose is bringing his perspective on being a pro in the media world. That as well. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts, and you will be glad you did. Hope you could join us for the postseason run.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay, let's. Let's dive into some. Some props. You know, I. I think once they made the super bowl there, there was already a lot of buzz out there. Maybe if they had missed. Kelsey goes, hey, I still got. He had just got a contract extension the previous year. Once they make it, win or lose, like, he's no dummy. He understands how difficult. I mean, he was in the league a long time before they started rattling off these Super Bowls. If he was on the fence, I think there's a pretty good chance that he's done.
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Stucky
Yep.
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Colin Cowherd
And you know him and him and Andy have a pretty special relationship. Like Andy's kind of it's going to be like clutch LeBron Lakers like they're all kind of in the loop here. I I think Andy is going to get this guy a touchdown or at least try and have some wrinkles to have this guy score in the Super Bowl. So you can get Kelsey who is I don't know on a short list of great playoff performers in the history of the league at +135 on on DraftKings to score a touchdown like that was. That was just an auto hammer to me donate that.
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Stucky
Yeah, I mean he's going to be heavily involved I both tight ends.
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Colin Cowherd
I know you like gor too but I think the tight ends big this week.
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Stucky
Yeah I anticipate the Chiefs will try to attack over the middle of field. No Dean, that is the weakness. I think the Eagles have the advantage of corner the rundy's good Chiefs aren't running it as well. I also like worthy anytime touchdown. He actually is just below Kelsey in targets per route run in the red zone this year and he leads the team in red zone reception touchdowns. He also gets the ball other ways they'll hand it to him in the red zone. So + 165 you can find on him. I think that should be like closer to plus 140. But yeah, Kelsey's going to be heavily involved here and I agree if he wins this I could see him riding off into the sunset. I mean you just repeated what else is there to do going out on top. Yeah, I like Goddard a lot. I mean the Chiefs can't they really struggle to defend tight ends. They give up the most yards per route run against opposing tight ends of any team in the NFL.
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Colin Cowherd
Why do you think that is?
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Stucky
Six catches. They blitz a lot. They're really good on the outside against receivers. So where else are you throwing the ball? And their linebackers and safeties aren't elite in coverage so there's opportunity there. And Goddard, I mean past seven games since he came back he's looks fully healthy. He looks great. He's averaged about four and a half catches on five and a half targets for about 52 yards per game. But in the playoffs this is a guy who always shows up. Last week I think he had seven catches on eight targets for 85 yards. He's played eight playoff games since becoming basically a full time starter. Six out of the eight he's at least five catches. Six out of the 80s at least 50 yards. He's averaged six catches on about eight targets for 64 yards. Look at the medians, it's like five and a half catches on six and a half targets for 60 yards. Chiefs also run a lot of man. Goddard elite versus man. Almost four yards per route run this year, which is number one amongst all tight ends against man coverage. And even if you look at the games where there's only six or seven of them, when Goddard, AJ Brown and Devonte Smith all played together with Hertz, Goddard was still number two in target chair. Also high target share against the blitz. I think they got to get the ball out quick here. And look, the Eagles are used to playing from ahead. They played a soft schedule, they're used to playing with the lead up big and then you just run the ball and run out the clock, right? Well they're underdogs in this game. You're more likely than most of your games you played this year to be in a more pass heavy game script. So I think that Goddard should get a bunch of looks here. A scary one I like is Mahomes longest rush under 13 and a half. I mean look, if there's ever a third and 13, I'm going to be my pants. Because he always just finds a way to run for like one more yard and it seems like he just knows the perfect speed to be at. Whether it's a, a defensive lineman, a linebacker, a corner, he's always one step ahead and he'll get the first down by a yard. But I think this is too high. There's open at like ten and a half and it's a popular bet. So a lot of times these popular overs get inflated. I don't know, I'm trying to figure out this is going to go to 14 and a half or not. But if you want to bet unders, you want to bet them later in the week, you know they tend to peak around Thursday, Friday, Saturday, quarterback drops on Saturdays. All the public money can have a have can have a say on this. And if you want to bet overs on popular players, you want to bet them earlier on. But Mahomes, he does run more in the playoffs. But if you look over the course of his entire career he's had 540 rush attempts, 54 of them have gone for more than 13 and a half yards. It's about 10% in the playoffs he runs a little more. He runs about five and a half yard, five and a half carries per game in the playoffs compared to about four in the regular season. He's had 108 playoff rush attempts, 10 of them have gone over 13. That's only about 9%. All of his games combined, he's played 132 games. Only 46 of those games has he had a rush of over 13 and a half yards. So it's about 35% of his games only gone over it nine out of 20 times in the playoffs this year, five out of 18 games and only about one out of every 15 carries has gone for over 13 and a half yards. His rushing props took about five and a half carries. I think he would need like eight ish carries on average to get over this because number one, some other reasons to like this. The Eagles, they don't give up any explosive plays. They keep everything in front of them. It's not a man heavy defense that's going to blitz a lot. So the chances of Mahomes being able to break one are lower than you know, they would be in some other matchups. And if you look this year, The Eagles allowed 84 quarterback rushing attempts. Only four went for over 13 and a half yards. That's less than 5% of the quarterback carries. And they faced Jaden Daniels three times and Lamar Jackson once. And those, those quarterbacks, Lamar and Daniels, who are the best runners in the NFL, they have 30 carries. Only three of them went for over 13 half yards. So one out of every 10. So if you're expecting Mahomes to get like six ish carries here, I think there's value on this. Under. The other thing to keep in mind is the Eagles are a ball control offense like the Chiefs. The Chiefs are used to having the ball for most of the game. Well now you're playing another team that could have eight to nine minute drives which just takes away some of the opportunities that Mahomes might have to get rushing attempts. So I think that's, I think over 13 and a half is a bit too high. Open to like 10 and a half, which I think is probably closer to where this should be priced. It's scary. He could easily get it, but I think it's too high.
- [65:46]
Colin Cowherd
What about the other quarterback on the ground? Because I just looked in 22 when they, you know, lost super bowl, they only played three games, right, because they were the one seed. So they had, they played two games and one was against the Niners when Purdy got injured. He had five touchdowns during that run and this year he's got, he just had three. But he had the long run against the Rams. Or was that the Packers? Was the packers to open up the game.
- [66:12]
Stucky
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
One of those two teams. It was Packers. Yeah. And you can get him just anytime touchdown at minus 110. To me it feels I, I have a hard time seeing and for whatever reason and I don't know if the stats don't back this up, but I feel like every single game they get a situation like the one or two yard line and that's clearly just automatic. So I, I, it's, it's why I parlay the Kelsey Jalen anytime parlay. But I, I have a hard time seeing J hurts not score. I, I feel it's more likely that Jaylen scored a touchdown than Saquon Barkley scores touchdown. Am I nuts? No.
- [66:49]
Stucky
I mean plus even if they're at like the two or three, there's they.
- [66:52]
Colin Cowherd
Could tush push twice.
- [66:53]
Stucky
They just touch push twice and do it.
- [66:56]
Colin Cowherd
So started on the first down.
- [66:58]
Stucky
Yep. Yeah. So yeah, don't hate that at all. I mean they get anywhere near the goal line, Herz is going to score. So yeah, I don't hate that. It's, it's.
- [67:09]
Colin Cowherd
What about him as a runner? Because the one thing, you know, we were like Lamar a year ago not running on them. Partly it was the coordinators. Well, Josh has had a lot of success running on them. Jalen is not exactly apples to apples to those two guys running, but he is a really good runner. You know. Do you think that, you know his over under rushing guards if you can get him 50, 60 yards or is that, you know, is that not really how they want to play?
- [67:35]
Stucky
Yeah, I don't know how they're going to play. Play like the read option. Are they going to just try to take away Barkley and then in that case that could open up some opportunities for Herz. But I also don't know if he's fully healthy like last week. You could tell running straight ahead, he's fine, but lateral movement, he might still be maybe a little limited, maybe a little hesitant. Maybe that just maybe takes away some designed runs. Maybe it just doesn't lead to as many big runs. So the health uncertainty, like he's clearly helping up a play, it'll look fine, but from a running perspective it might impact him a bit. So that uncertainty. But he's had two weeks off, so I too much uncertainty for me to get involved there. I assume that the Chiefs are going to focus on taking away Barkley on early downs and mo teams that have done that in the playoffs, they've bottled him up for long stretches. It's been the long runs that have just killed the other teams. Like he's just from an efficiency standpoint. And look, the Eagles have not faced a hard schedule of opposing defenses this year. And even in the playoffs like the Rams, the Packers, the commanders, these aren't great defenses. Can, can. What impact can Barkley have? Like assuming the Chiefs are going to, you know, load the box and try to take him away on early downs and then you're in late down situations where Spaz giving the pressure hertz tends to hold the ball too long. That's another reason why I do like Goddard too is blitz. You got to get rid of the ball quick here. Yeah, but yeah how I think. I tend to think Barkley's numbers are all inflated. Like I would lead under on a lot of his numbers because one, I think the Chiefs are going to focus on him. This still a pretty good defense. I do think their defense is a bit overrated overall. People view it, they face a lot of teams with injuries this year and if you look at what the Bills did, the Texans even had success running on them.
- [69:33]
Colin Cowherd
But they're a good tackling team. You know that, that first run for Barkley where I think Chin, it was like what is going on here?
- [69:41]
Stucky
Yeah, that won't happen.
- [69:43]
Colin Cowherd
I would say all 11 guys, specifically the DBs, McDuffie, Reed, I mean they tackle well. So he's not just going to have some seven yard run turned into 40 because two guys fucking chicken wing it, you know.
- [69:55]
Stucky
Yep. See I don't mind his under rushing yards. The Chiefs are going to be focused on it. I don't think they're going to give up these men in long runs. Like you said, great tackling team. And then again, just the point I just made is the Eagles are used to playing from ahead all year. Right. They had a easy schedule. They're used to playing from ahead. And then Barkley just gets a ton of carries against weak defenses. Well now as an underdog and against the Chiefs, you're more likely to be playing for behind where you're going to have to throw. You're playing a defense that's focused on. And like I just said, the. The Eagles are now playing their their counterpart in time of possession. Right. They're not used to playing the team like the Chiefs that will just. The Chiefs have no explosiveness on their offense. Right. They might have an explosive player too, but they're one of the least explosive offenses in the NFL. And the Eagles don't give up any explosive plays. That is one of their strengths. They keep everything in Front of them. They're the number one explosive pasty in the NFL. So what does that mean? That means it's Mahomes doing what they've done all year. It's methodically moving the ball down the field. What does that mean? The Eagles and Barkley are on the sidelines for long stretches so. And everyone wants to bet the Barkley over. So I think the Barkley numbers are all inflated. It's, it's a, it's tough to figure out which one to go with because if you go under rush attempts, I think yards is just the best way to go because you go, I think rush attempts is too high. Same with longest rush. But if he breaks, if he breaks a long run, then you know, obviously he goes over longest rush and then that'll help under rushing attempts because then it's just taking away a huge part of the field where we would add carries. But if he doesn't go over as long as rush, that means he might get more carries. So yeah, I think the best way to go is just under rushing yards total on Barkley. I think that number is like 10, 15 yards too high. And if he breaks 70 yard run, you tip your cap. But yeah, the Chiefs could have the ball a ton here. Eagles might have to pass more than they have all year. I mean this is a team that's just been, and they're elite as a, as a front runner but they're not playing the Chiefs every week. So I don't mind the Barkley Unders, as scary as they are and sound after what he's done this year.
- [72:21]
Colin Cowherd
You know one, if you go to the Texans game where they got two high end rushers, they only sacked him three times. But I, I thought early in that game they were just causing havoc. You know the one thing with the Eagles is their defensive line, I mean has really come on the second half of the season in the playoffs. I mean Carter, I, I mean you could make the argument, you know, just talent wise like a top 10 player non quarterback in the NFL.
- [72:45]
Stucky
Nolan Smith.
- [72:46]
Colin Cowherd
Good player. Nolan Smith. Yeah, I mean Williams, Milton Williams is a free agent. You got, they just got a lot of people right. And that's to me one thing that Fangio like his baby has always been dominating a lot like with his good defenses. Like his front just plays to another level, especially at big games. So if the Chiefs are going to lose, you go, well, what's the formula? It would be. What was their formula to lose the last Super Bowl? Their offensive line kind of got manhandled now, you know both their tackles, right. Had torn Achilles or I forget the exact.
- [73:23]
Stucky
They're a bunch of backup offensive.
- [73:25]
Colin Cowherd
They were. Yeah, this isn't quite that situation but clearly, I mean if Andy Reid was true serum, he'd be like, yeah, our offensive line needs to be a lot better moving forward. That's going to be a point of emphasis for them this off season, I'm sure. So you go if they're going to lose like you can get a lot of plus numbers. Jalen Carter to get a sack plus 131, Josh Sweat to get a sack plus 150. Nolan Smith to get a sack plus 112. Like they're going to get a couple sacks. They're going to get them. Because the one thing is Mahomes likes to make plays. He likes to hold the ball a little bit. He's usually unlike some of these other guys, he pulls it off. Sometimes Jalen like just stops and takes sack. Like Mahomes kind of weasels away. But these guys are such freaks. It's just sometimes hard. And Jalen, to me one of the plays especially like you said, moving, you know, doing out to left tackle, like he's just going to be over that guard sometimes and it's not like joke and help him out because he's got to worry about whoever's over him.
- [74:15]
Stucky
Yeah.
- [74:15]
Colin Cowherd
And he just one of those plays, the guy's just going to fucking whiff on him. And the 6 5, 320 pounder Patrick just not going to be able to run away. I think him getting a sack feels like a lock in this game.
- [74:27]
Stucky
Yeah, he's going to have favorable matchups and Mahomes is sack numbers. Pressure to sack ratio has gone up this year and the Eagles can cover on the back end. I think he's, I think destined to make a big play here. I also Chris Jones feels like he's probably going to get a sack too.
- [74:49]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I agree.
- [74:50]
Stucky
Like Hertz holds the ball forever. I know there's going to be a lot of attention on him, but we don't even know how healthy the interior of the Eagles offensive line is. I assume everyone's going to play but dealing with some injuries so maybe that shows up as well. But Hertz is, I mean you look no one has held the ball longer. Actually desean Watson, that was it. But as far as quarterbacks who ended the year as a starter, Hertz holds the ball a ton. And going up up against Spags and with this game script they might be behind might have to throw more Feels.
- [75:25]
Colin Cowherd
Like Chris Jones re, re injured potential too, you know, with the back and a knee. Like one of them. Whoever is out there. All of a sudden Jurgen's back's tightening up. Dickerson's knees, you know, okay, I'm feeling good pre game. Then all of a sudden, Chris Jones hits him. He's like, oh, I can't walk. That's got one of those two guys has that written all over him, doesn't it?
- [75:44]
Stucky
Yep. Yeah. And that's like you have, you have really good tackles. You can maybe neutralize the edge rush for Kansas City, but with the blitzes and pressures that Spags is going to draw up, I can see Jones getting home on Hertz, if not once, but maybe, maybe even twice.
- [76:06]
Colin Cowherd
One of my flyers I'll end for me on this is you, you know, forever. It's only improved over the years. Is Andy off a buy? I mean, he's, he's truly one of the great offensive minds in the history of the game. Chiefs first drive, touchdown plus 195. I mean, this is, it's been so long and he's become a legend since, but this is still the team that fired him. You know, I mean, listen, we're all human beings. I, I know he's friends with Howie, he's friends with Jeffrey Lurie, and you know, the Eagles put him on the map and everything. They still fired him. So I, I just think that he's always motivated with the extra time. It's been a point of difference for him over his career. This is the Super Bowl. He's a bright lights guy. Kelsey going out. He's got mahomes. I, I just think cheese first drive. I, you know, who knows, maybe some trick plays. All of a sudden it's like, oh, yeah, Andy told us he, he stole this one from the 1957 Army Navy game. You know, like he, he not just holding that till the third. You never know. It could be like the second play of the game. I just, this guy's, he's, he's ringing it. You know, he, this isn't Kellen Moore, like F Nas, Sirianni and Howie, like, are we cool if we do this? Like anything he wants to do, he could do. And he, he's, he's got three guys on his staff looking over Tate for the last hundred years. You know, they like to, they had practice this morning. I'm sure they, they have some crazy play just to keep the guys fresh. It's like a classic Andy move. I, I, I just, that first drive at almost 2 to 1 to score a touchdown. Feels pretty tasty. And what, what are the Chiefs A bright light scene. What'd they do against your squad last year against the Bills this year? It's like they, they, they just, if they do come ready, they, it might slow down after the first drive because they're so hyped up for it. And then all of a sudden it's like 10, 7 going into halftime. But I, I, I could see that first drive Andy have some tricks up his sleeve.
- [78:03]
Stucky
Yeah, I don't hate your reasoning at all. I will be rooting against it because I have the Eagles first half and I want to bet the Chiefs live for my long shot. That I'll give out.
- [78:17]
Colin Cowherd
By the way, you hit one of the great. I mean last year, 14 to 1 on overtime.
- [78:21]
Stucky
Yeah. Almost 100 to 1 double overtime. It was truly special that one play away. I watched the play clock. If there was, it was one second away from them being able to run it down to go to second overtime.
- [78:34]
Colin Cowherd
Homes threw the touchdown. There was only one second left in the first quarter.
- [78:39]
Stucky
No, in the first overtime. So they, I had 100 to one to go. Double overtime. And there was under a minute to go. And There was like 42 sec. There was like 54 seconds.
- [78:53]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.
- [78:53]
Stucky
They completed a pass and there was 41 seconds left when they spotted the ball. So the play clock was a 40, which means they had to run another play. So if it was another second, there's a chance that they, they would have said, let's talk about this play.
- [79:10]
Colin Cowherd
Breath. Yeah.
- [79:11]
Stucky
And that.
- [79:13]
Colin Cowherd
So he just snapped. He just snapped the ball with like 20 or 30.
- [79:16]
Stucky
Yeah, 30, 20 seconds. But there was a chance that maybe they just ran it down and like let's talk about the play. I was watching the clock so intently and it went 41 and I was like, no.
- [79:27]
Colin Cowherd
Would that have been the greatest hit of your life? 100 to 1? It doesn't get much better than that.
- [79:30]
Stucky
Yeah. At 120 to 1 tennis. A tennis future. Marin Chilich at the US Open like 12 years ago or something. But yeah, that would have been up there.
- [79:46]
Colin Cowherd
For mvp.
- [79:47]
Stucky
It's hard. I mean, it's a quarterback award. Obviously, like Barkley has a better chance than a running back usually would because of how important he is and what kind of season he's had. I think Kelsey obviously, because just the narrative and he hasn't won it and he could have a big day. But if you look back, I think.
- [80:06]
Colin Cowherd
Like nine out of 57 defensive players have won the MVP. And the last one was. Did Donald win the MVP when the Rams won it? The Fort Stafford.
- [80:20]
Stucky
No, that was cop.
- [80:21]
Colin Cowherd
Oh yeah.
- [80:23]
Stucky
The last, the last defender to win it might have been. Let's see since 2000 the defenders to win it were what Malcolm Brown, Dexter Jackson won it for the box multiple pick sixes. Yeah. Von Miller I think was the Last one in 2016.
- [80:47]
Colin Cowherd
I was there.
- [80:49]
Stucky
Yeah. Malcolm Smith, Von Miller, Dexter Jackson, Ray Lewis too. I think those are the defenders that have won it.
- [80:57]
Colin Cowherd
So it hasn't happened in a while.
- [80:58]
Stucky
Yeah. So maybe there's a defensive line that could win it. But if you look since Vaughn Miller won it, you have Brady Foles. Mahomes. Mahomes, Mahomes. The only other non quarterbacks to win are receivers Adelman and Cup. So you have to have just a high volume game. You need to score touchdowns. I'll frau Xavier worthy 30 to 1. Like is there a way that a game where he has like eight or nine catches, a touchdown or two and if he has like a big rush with a rushing touchdown. Like I could see Worthy having an Edelman or COP type of game. And does it still probably go to Mahomes? Probably, but that's why you can get 30, 35 to 1. So that. That's my long shot that I'll throw out for this year. Savior worthy mvp.
- [81:56]
Colin Cowherd
What would it take for a defensive player to get it? You think Vaughn had multiple sacks and a force fumble. Right.
- [82:03]
Stucky
Probably score and you need it to be like a lower scoring game like.
- [82:13]
Colin Cowherd
Zach bond with like 11 tackles and a pick six. Get it?
- [82:17]
Stucky
Yeah, but it's hard to. It's hard for me to imagine the Chiefs just like not scoring enough.
- [82:26]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [82:26]
Stucky
So like that would mean the Eagles have to score more.
- [82:29]
Colin Cowherd
That's true.
- [82:30]
Stucky
And who's getting it? But you would need just like a weird distribution and it's. It would be tough. Yeah, you would do. You would need like a defender to score. Have a huge day and it being be a low scoring game. So yeah, it's. It's tough for me to see a defensive player winning it in this particular game. But you never know.
- [82:53]
Colin Cowherd
I. I saw, I saw. I think I had NFL Network on and they were showing some highlights of the Bucks Raiders. Maybe it was a YouTube, I forget. But God, that game was terrible.
- [83:03]
Stucky
That was awful.
- [83:05]
Colin Cowherd
Rich. Rich was just throwing pick after pick after pick after pick. I mean it was one point in time. It was like 48 to 20. I mean it was. It was rough.
- [83:15]
Stucky
That was amazing. That a Defensive player won it. In a game that was 48 to 21 final and a defensive player won it. That's an anomaly. I mean like, because if you look what happened, Brad Johnson was 18 of 34, 200 yards, two touchdowns and interception. Like you're not going to give it to him. Pittman ran the ball 30 times for 120 yards, no touchdowns. So you're not going to give it to him. Like Keenan McCardell. They're, they're. He scored two touchdowns for the Bucks, but he had two catches for 13 yards. Their other leading receiver was Joe Jarovicious. He had four catches, 70 yards, no touchdowns. It's like who are you giving it to? Right? Like they scored 48 points. So it just all worked out that way. Like that's how you would need a defensive. Either a really low scoring game or just like no one stuck out offensively for you.
- [84:12]
Colin Cowherd
And I feel like teams like that won't even exist anymore. Like those back to back like The Ravens, Bucks vs. Like Dilfer, Brad Johnson, random offensive guys, but just an all time defense. Like I, I just don't think we're getting those. That used to happen a lot.
- [84:26]
Stucky
Yeah, it's a different, different game now. Which is why since 2016 we've only seen quarterbacks and wide receivers win it. So. And that when Von Miller won it, that was. The Broncos won 24 to 10.
- [84:51]
Colin Cowherd
And Peyton, Peyton couldn't throw after the first drive.
- [84:54]
Stucky
Maniad was 13 of 23 for 140 yards, no touchdowns and interception. The final score was 24 to 10. You know, C.J. anderson had 23 catches for 90 yards and a touchdown. Like is that MVP worthy? And then their leading receiver, Emmanuel Sanders had six catches for 83 yards. Maybe if he got a touchdown he could have won it. But that's how a defender won it. And I mean von Miller, two and a half sacks, six total, six total tackles, 24, 10, no offensive standouts. He's a household name. That's how defender went, won it. But hard to see in this game.
- [85:35]
Colin Cowherd
But that's probably the last great defense and I saw that team play it live a bunch. I mean they were just, they had four high end D linemen, all their linebackers were good and their DBs were sweet. Yeah, and even back then like in 15, 16, 17, you could still kind of hit, you know, like AIB Talib would hit you up, TJ Ward would fucking rock your socks off. You know, you can't really play like that. So it's like they could cover and if you went across the middle, you get decapitated. It's like the, the, you can still build a good defensive line. It's just harder to build the secondaries, which the Ravens, you know, the Bucks definitely had where you would just get. You might go to, you know, the hospital, you know, so it's like, it's easier to make it out.
- [86:18]
Stucky
So much harder.
- [86:19]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [86:20]
Stucky
Yeah.
- [86:20]
Colin Cowherd
So. Well, it's sad sucky. We just got one more football game and you got college basketball, so. And any plugs for a team that you like that's flying a little under the radar. I saw Gonzaga, they just lose to Saint Mary's.
- [86:35]
Stucky
Yeah, they keep fairly owing seven games decided by six points or less this year. They. They cannot close out a game. It's a major problem for them. I think Texas Tech is legit. We told them just win at Houston if you want to take a flyer and then like they can get them like 8 to 1 to make the final four if you want to get crazy to win the national title. I also like Illinois. Texas A and M is some flyers to make the final Four. Not super long shots, but not at the top of the board. So yeah, those are some of the teams. I throw out big bets on campus where we have three podcasts a week doing college basketball stuff. Action over cap action over dot com. I write up stuff every weekend and yeah, follow me for commentary and all that jazz for college basketball through the tournament. That's Stucky 2 on X. But it was a pleasure. Do it. Going through another season with you brother and can't wait till. Hopefully do it again next year starting in August.
- [87:34]
Colin Cowherd
It can't come soon enough. I'm already ready.
- [87:37]
Stucky
Start the countdown.
- [87:38]
Colin Cowherd
Get me wrong, I like free agency in the draft, but I much rather have games on Saturday and Sunday.
- [87:43]
Stucky
Absolutely.
- [87:44]
Colin Cowherd
Okay, Stucky, take it easy bro. I'll talk to you soon.
- [87:47]
Stucky
Cheers.
- [87:52]
Colin Cowherd
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Stucky
What's up, everyone?
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Colin Cowherd
Julie Swearbinks here along with former NHL player Nate Thompson. We're doing a new podcast together. Here we go. The name Energy Line with Nate and jsb. Each week we'll get together and talk about hockey life. All topics are fair game, right? Exactly.
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Stucky
And you'll never know who will drop.
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Colin Cowherd
By to join us. Julie is pretty well connected. She has text threads going that you wouldn't believe. Listen to Energy Line with Nate and.
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Stucky
JSB on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts.
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Colin Cowherd
Or wherever you get your podcasts.