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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Reaction to Bo Nix & Broncos OT win vs. Commanders on SNF + NFL Week 13
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What is going on, everybody? How are we doing? Hopefully everyone is doing well, enjoying life, doing great. Obviously we're brought to you by my friends and at Zone Pouches and we just is pretty late. Somehow the Denver Broncos pulled that off. Marcus Mariota, as Collinsworth was saying, just would not die. But the Broncos are now 10 and 2 tied for the best record in the NFL, have a commanding lead in the AFC west, and look poised to compete for the number one seed, even though their quarterback and offense can be very, very hit or miss. Their defense was a little off as well tonight, but a lot of other stuff going on. The NFC West Wide Open, Mike Tomlin and the Steelers in shambles and even, I mean they were the ones saying it. Not. Not me. And Lane Kiffin is an LSU Tiger. So we'll, we'll dive into it all. Busy week. We, we had a lot of content. We, we did a podcast after the the Thanksgiving games. We did a podcast after the Black Friday game and, and now we're rocking and rolling here on Sunday night and we'll be back again Monday night. So hopefully everyone had a good day, good weekend, enjoyed friends and family. And now it's time to, you know, get to get, get back to get back to real life. Get back to reality, I guess. Obviously. Subscribe to the podcast if you listen on Collins feed. Appreciate everyone subscribe to the YouTube channel. You never miss a thing. We go live after all these, these primetime games and, and yeah, that, that'll be the game plan. But before we dive into any football, you know, I gotta tell you about my friends at Zone Pouches. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Underage SALE prohibited. If you're as competitive as I am, you're always looking for something to help you stay dialed in. And for me, that thing is Zone Nicotine Pouches. You won't catch me without a can, a citrus dragon, fruit or mint. Been rocking them all. Not to mention 20 pouches per can versus the 15 the other guys offer. Choose Zone and dominate the day. Use promo code 3 and out 20 on nicokick.com for 20% off at checkout. It's been a long weekend, but let's just start with the Denver Broncos. Who I, I, I don't even, I have a philosophy when, as you know, you get late November, early December, I think we will see this tomorrow on Monday Night Football. When you take a team that's 10 and one or 11 and two and you're playing a team that's a three or four win team that is headed toward potentially drafting in the top five or six, right? These are human beings. So when you look at your opponent, you just don't take them as seriously. And one thing, if you watch a lot of NFL football on Sunday, don't blame you if you did. Not unlike the guys that play on Thursday, they don't eat their Thanksgiving meal till after the game. I do think there's like the tryptophan kind of lack of focus. I thought it was pretty spotty play throughout the league today and it kind of carried into the night game where it just feels a little something's missing, especially from Denver, who still has a lot to play for. I mean, getting a home field, the number one seed, you know, in Denver is a huge, huge swing moment for teams going to Mile High, right? And you're watching tonight, you go, is there a team with a bigger variance in the NFL that's a good team than the Denver Broncos? I mean, you can watch them on individual series when you're like, their defense is incredible. Hu Funga was just a plug in play, looks like an all Pro. Their pass rush is awesome. Obviously your tan's back in the mix. He's one of the best defensive backs in the league. But then they got Riley Moss, who Marcus Mariota. Made him look like he should be on a practice squad. I mean, Riley Moss, it's, it is very, very difficult in this modern free agency era to have a perfect defense or a perfect offense. You're typically going to have a liability somewhere, right? A guy that you would like to replace. But it's just, it's hard. You're not going to have all 11 high end starters. It's like, yeah, we got 11 Pro Bowlers. Like, this isn't the mid-90s and it's the Cowboys or the 49ers. This is the free agency era. You're just going to have some individuals who are on the field with some limitations. And clearly when it comes to Riley Moss, like if you're going to do anything, that's who you're going to throw after. And they just went after him relentlessly tonight and you know he's just targeted constantly throughout this entire season. A couple of weeks ago I remember watching the game, I don't know if that's still the case. Led the league in pass interferences tonight with the game on the line. Debo Samuel, who isn't exactly Jerry Rice or Marvin Harrison, not, not Junior but senior when it comes to route running and when the ball is not in his hands, I wouldn't consider Debo to play fast. Goes right by him. I mean almost, almost scored. Ended up leading to what would have been the game tying touchdown in overtime. But obviously they went for two instead of kicking the field goal and Mariota didn't get it. Now I do believe that Mariota tonight looked really good through for basically 300 yards. I mean you watch games like tonight like Mariota is a high end backup and the athletic ability to keep plays alive with his legs. Little inaccurate at times but has a pretty explosive arm. Just a good player, really high level guy. People love him and was playing really well like was giving Denver all that they could handle. But I go back to these are human beings and when you go into a game against a team that is 3 and 8 whose star quarterback is watching the game from a box, whose team is just not played very well, you don't take them as seriously. And that's what I just wonder. Denver coming into this game now there's an entire other element where Bo Nix is a giant wild card. Like there were, there were series like at the end of the first half the what was the score? They had just Washington scored a touchdown to made it 7 to 6 and Denver got the ball back with a little over two minutes to go and you went, you know what, you want to get some points. So at least you have a lead going in the halftime. Maybe it's nine to six. In a perfect world you get a touchdown and you go up, you know, 13 to 7 and bo nix gets the ball, leads him right down the field on touchdown drive. You're like, well that's the good Bo Knicks. And then in the second half there's a play where he throws it right to Bobby Wagner who Bobby Wagner didn't even move. He basically took a step back from where he was lined up pre snap and Bo immediately grabs his helmet like this. For those of you listening, he just puts his helmet or puts his hands on his helmet. Obviously many of you are probably watching the game and it's like that can't happen. And you could convince me that Denver could win the AFC pretty easily. If they get number one seed, win both games and be the representation in the Super Bowl, I have a ticket on them to go to the Super Bowl. You could also convince me they could lose in the first round. Right. If New England gets the number one seed, they're the two seed depending on who they play as a seven seed. It would not shock me at all if Bo Nick just has a game where throws a couple picks, their offense doesn't do much and they just lose a game like 15 to 13 that would 100% be on the table. That's why I think that there is not a team with the high end and the low end that is going to be in the playoffs like the Denver Broncos. And it kind of goes to Bo Nix. And I also think sometimes Sean Payton plays a role in this. We'll talk about the Panther game a little bit later, but when we discussed that game when they played the 49ers, it was like, why didn't you run the ball more? How did you only have 13 carries in a game where your quarterback was just a little hit or miss? And tonight like RJ Harvey had 13 carries, you got. Well, John, he only had 35 yards, averaging, you know, under three yards of carry. Well, that's part of being an offensive coach. Just slow down the game a little bit and eventually your guy's going to break one. Maybe not for 50 yards, but if it's 20 yards or 30 yards or even 15 yards, there's a level of, you know, controlling the clock and establishing a physicality on offense and also taking some of the pressure off your quarterback. Because Bo Nix gets in these streaks where he's like running around skipping balls at guys feet and you're like, this is what is going on. And there probably hasn't been a more frustrating player throughout this season on a good team than Bo Nix for the Broncos. It's like you watch individual series, you go, that's really impressive. Then you watch individual series and you go, that's terrible. You could leave this game and make the argument that Mario downplayed him tonight. You know, I'm not even just factoring in numbers. Mariota was a little less accurate. They basically threw similar yardage. Mariota threw for one more touchdown. Now granted it came in the, in the overtime session, but they both threw an interception. Mariota was sacked twice, Bo Nix was sacked once. They both kind of scramble around kind of similar players I would say Bo Nix's arms a little bit better though. I think Mariota's arm was, looked pretty strong tonight. But one major difference is the, the Commanders ran for like 60 more yards and they just, they had 10 more carries. Like that just helps an offense just settle down. And I think Sean Payton, for whatever reason gets into these positions with his quarterback where he's like trying to prove, I told you this is my next Drew Brees who can move. I told you this is the guy that can lead us to a Super Bowl. It's like, yeah, maybe that inevitably happens, but why are you trying to prove it on this individual series when things aren't going well? Settle everything down, call some more runs, help call quarterback runs for him, but it just feels like he's hesitant to do that or he just refuses to do that. But at the end of the day, only New England has, you know, as many wins as they do. And assuming New England beats the Giants tomorrow, like the Broncos are easily ahead of Jacksonville and Indianapolis, who are both 8 and 4. The Chargers are currently 8 and 4, but their quarterback is going to have surgery on his hand tomorrow. Now I'm pretty sure it's his non throwing hand. And even Herbert said that he expects to play in the Monday Night Football game against the Eagles coming up this week. But that's a pretty big wild card. The Chiefs are currently 6 and 6, the Ravens and the Steelers are 6 and 6. So this thing is wide open. Now I do think Denver has a better roster than the New England Patriots, but it would be hard to argue that you would have more faith in Bo Nix than Drake May, given the way the two guys have played this year. So I think, listen this, the AFC hasn't been this wide open in a long, long time. You could make the argument in like decades because for 20 plus years it was mainly New England with a little bit of Peyton mixed in. And the last five years has been Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid with Baltimore and Buffalo basically beating everyone else. Well now Buffalo is also 8 and 4, but they got a million injuries and they don't look great. You have the Ravens, who in any other season would be up three games in that division. Steelers are in their circle in the drain. I have zero faith. I mean Indianapolis is playing a quarterback with a broken fibula and he's like, well, healthy enough to play. And the doctors cleared me. It's like that's a great sign. They're, they're clearly leaking major oil. I have no faith in Jacksonville. You could Argue Houston is one of the hottest teams in the league, and who knows if they can dig themselves out of that Owen three hole. I mean, they're, they're attempting to, but Jacksonville and Indy, I'm pretty sure haven't even played yet. But like Denver, if they, if their quarterback play was more consistent, I think everyone would be picking them to win the AFC because their defense wasn't that great tonight. But the totality of the season, it has been excellent. And really, for two straight years, it's been really, really good. And then from a weapon standpoint, I mean, Sutton, Ingram, R.J. harvey out of the backfield, Franklin's an explosive player. Like, they do have enough weapons. Now you lose J.K. dobbins, the running game. Is their coach going to be willing to call enough runs? That, that, that is definitely up for debate. I just. I don't know, man. The AFC is in complete shambles right now, and Sean Payton anointed this team at the beginning of the year, saying, I've, throughout my. However many two decades of being a head coach, I've had a handful of teams that I knew in training camp had a chance, right? And this was one of them. And like, I do think the way that it's broken with the injuries, with the Chiefs being in shambles with the Ravens and how they've played with Burrow getting injured, it's. It's all for them to take now. Do you have faith that they can take it? I don't, but I don't know who else I would pick. You know, we'll see New England tomorrow. I just. I'm still hesitant to think, are they good enough? You know, I think they're a year away. Kind of like last year when Washington made it to the NFC Championship game, it was like, is this the least talented team ever to be in a championship game? But their quarterback was just playing out of his mind. 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John Middlekauff
Foreign. Speaking of wide open the NFC West I I thought today the I was expecting crazier weather in the 49er Browns game. I mean last night I follow some social media accounts, it was like a white out. I'm like it's going to be snowing, it's going to be windy. How are they going to be able to function? And it turned out it was just really cold and kind of windy. But it wasn't really like raining and snowing. And that game was just an organizational we're way better than you. It's crazy how big of a joke the Browns are. I mean it really is the whole organization, everything about them. It's like I understand they have good players. I mean they have one of the great pass rushers of all time. It looks like their draft this year is really good and they just got their teeth kicked in by a team that's rolling out like a UFL front seven. And I've been saying this for a while about you know that coach and the gm Kyle went in there and one he has been owned by Jim Schwartz. Jim Schwartz is eight and one against him physically dominated him a couple years ago. The year the 49ers went to the to the super bowl and lost the Chiefs. It was one the 49ers had like a three game losing streak in the middle of that season but today it was just from muffed punts to tush push fourth and one play calls that the tight ends fumbling. It's like what is going on here? It's not like the 49ers are doing anything special. They, they Couldn't run the ball. It just, you know, they couldn't tackle anybody. Junkins. I. I would have given it to him every single play. And then you look up and all of a sudden it's like, wait, what's the score? And the 49ers win, 26 to 8. It's like, how did this. Just because we have nothing in common with you, we're well run. And you guys are just a complete joke. I mean, a complete and utter joke of a franchise. And the 49ers to find a way to get to 9 and 4 with the amount of guys that they have injured is just an incredible accomplishment. It really is. And it's crazy to think, because I would have said this a couple weeks ago, they have absolutely no chance to win the division. I still think it's going to be an uphill battle, but, like, they've beat the Rams at home, or. Excuse me, they beat the Rams in la. They beat Seattle in Seattle. They still play Seattle to end the season in at Levi Stadium. They get a buy. Their next game is the Tennessee titans. Like the 49ers pretty likely are going to be 10 and 4. They're going to be 10 and 4. They're not losing the Titans off a buy in Seattle. And the Rams, in a couple of weeks, play each other on Thursday night. And here's the thing, like I. Like I said with Denver, when you go on the road and you play a bad team, I don't want to say the Panthers are. Are like bad. I mean, they're six and six. But I think after that Niner game, you don't take them quite as seriously. You go on the road, it's rainy, your time clock's a little thrown off. You just kind of get into a weird game. And Matt Stafford clearly played the worst game of the season, right? Throws a pick six, throws another pick, has a fumble, that could have been a fumble, six. Luckily they were able to tackle the guy. It was just off kilter. And all of a sudden you're like, ah. Cause every time I would look over, I'd be like, I still think the Rams are going to pull this one out. And then all of a sudden you're like, no, actually they're not. And then all of a sudden, Bryce Young is doing the victory formation. You're like, the Rams just lost that game and now they're 9 and 3. And so the 49ers have the same amount of wins as both those other teams. I mean, that is. I don't think anyone would have saw this coming. That the 49ers, Seattle and the Rams, if I would have told you a month ago, would all have nine wins after Thanksgiving weekend, you would have told me. I'm on drugs now. Seattle got a. I. I don't want to say lucky. They played a team that essentially did not have a quarterback today. I mean, that kid that the Vikings rolled out. There are a lot of conspiracy theories on the Internet about JJ McCarthy. I did buy into some of them with the ankle injury. It was clearly the longest ankle sprain in the history of the NFL. I do think the concussion thing, he's not the first and he won't be the last guy to get concussion like symptoms either the next day or on the plane ride home. That happens. I didn't have the audio on that game, so I'm sure they talked about it. Typically when a guy is in the concussion protocol and he can't pass, doesn't always travel with the team. Maybe they make exceptions for a quarterback because they wanted to listen. I don't know. I don't think you're, you know, it's great for you to travel. He. He clearly did and he was on the sideline. But there is no disputing their quarterback situation is the worst in the league. It's an absolute joke. And Seattle could have rolled out me at quarterback and just handed the ball off every single time and they would have won that game. So Sam didn't really have to do much, but this thing's wide open and things get weird. The reason I like the 49ers to make the playoffs at the beginning of the year, because their schedule is pretty easy. I actually take took the Browns kind of seriously today. Turns out I shouldn't have because the Niners are just way better. Even though they got a random. Lot of random dudes. And you know, Miles Garrett had a sack today on Trent Williams. Kind of smoked him actually on an inside move. It was kind of sweet. But yeah, this division is about to get really, really weird. Before we dive into Tomlin, actually, let's just dive into this. Let me tell you about my friends, my partners and the official ticketing app, GameTime, the best ticketing app in America. Used them for years now. I know a lot of you guys have used them as well. 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They've lost 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5 of their last seven, three of their last four. Chargers kick their ass. Bears just handled them in the second half and obviously the Bills today, 126 to 7. Their team is not very good. They have a poorly constructed roster. And in the NFL or in college, even the best coaches like, listen, I'm giving Kyle Shanahan a lot of credit. Against the Browns, he still got George Kittle, still has Juwan Jennings, who clearly is pissing a lot of people off. I don't know what Juwan saying to people, but Shelby Harris said after the game, you know that Juwan Jennings got hit in the nuts last week, deserved to get hit in the mouth. So because of the things he's saying to guys when they're on the ground, I love to know a little bit more. But you know, the 49ers have credible offensive players, but you can only do so much, right. It's about the Jimmy's and the Joes and the X's and the O's. Now, I've been saying for a while in coaching, I don't care who you are, Pat Riley, Bill Parcells, Andy Reid, you go to different sports. Most people have a shelf life and need a restart, need a reset. We're seeing it this year with Mike Vrabel. Mike Vrabel was told a year ago in Tennessee, you need to pack your shit and get out of here. Took a year off, kind of got a fresh look at everything, got to reset, got to put a little chip on his shoulder. Comes, comes to New England, is kicking ass and taking names and I think Mike Tomlin will really, really benefit from that. But that's between him and the Steelers. And if they want him, have him as the coach for life. That's their prerogative. One thing I would say to Mike if I knew him is like, you need a little more help in the front office. Like back when Kevin Colbert was your right hand man, you guys had a point of difference. You guys had an advantage. When I got in the league in 2010, definitely when I was a kid in College in the 2000s and then even once I left the league in the mid-2010s, the Steelers were looked at like a high level scouting operation. The way they evaluated players, the way they signed players, the way they drafted players. And I look at their team now, they kind of just constructed a roster like you or me might do if we're 16 years old on Madden, kind of desperate, add Aaron Rodgers, trade for Jalen Ramsey, trade for DK Metcalf. That doesn't seem like what a well run operation would do though, if they were trying to win games on Sunday in the actual National Football League. And I don't think it's by coincidence that they're getting their ass kicked by all the good teams, the packers, the Chargers, the Bears, the Bills. I mean, think about that. All the games that they have lost over the course of the last month, plus are two teams that the packers, the Chargers, the Bears and the Bills that are going to be in the playoffs and they're getting worked for the most part in these performances because they don't have the talent, they don't have the rosters. The Buffalo Bills today are missing their two tackles. So if you tell me I'm the Pittsburgh Steelers and I get to play a team with, whether it's a team that last year was in the AFC Championship game or a team that's going to be drafting in the top 10 and they don't have their two starting tackles. In a league that struggles to find decent offensive linemen, let alone backups who can fill the spot for starters, I would have been like, you should be able to make this game weird. And I saw TJ Watt talking about the game after in his postgame press conference was basically like, I can just talk about the defense, but we're terrible. We're just not very good. I'd be like, yeah, because in a game when you're playing backup tackles, you should dominate. If you put Miles Garrett versus a backup tackle, you could convince me to have nine sacks. And I just watched the Steelers and I watched the Bills. I go, bills have more talent. I'm not even talking about Josh Allen. Then you factor in that Your quarterback, who's about to be 42 years old, has a cast on his hand on the one play where he got sacked by Joey Bosa, had his face slammed into the ground. I mean after the game he looked like he just fought. I was going to say Floyd, but Floyd doesn't really hit you. He just kind of dances around more like Mike Tyson or something that got blasted in the nose. And I actually, and I said this to Coward. I respect Aaron because when you've made that much money and you've checked every box, you need to check for your quote unquote legacy and your resume as a football player, you don't need this, right? In 20 years, no one's going to talk about the last year you played in the NFL for the Pittsburgh Steelers, the year they went 8, 9 or 9 and 8. It will be an afterthought on the way people discuss your career. Right. And him playing in that game with a cast on his hand. And I get it's his non throwing hand, I got to tip my hat to him. But you could argue even just getting into business with him now, they didn't have many other options. Like what do you think a 41, 42 year old is going to be in the NFL? This is typically how it goes. It is typically ugly. You know, Brady going to 44, 45, that's abnormal. We're not going to see that anymore. The norm is Matt Ryan is Philip Rivers is Big Ben is Drew Brees is Eli Manning is the crew of peers that Aaron Rodgers had that when they got 37, 38, 39, Peyton Manning his last year in Denver, they fall off a cliff. They're not nearly as good now depending on how your team is built. Peyton Manning plays on a team with an elite defense and Julius Thomas, demarius Thomas a good offensive line like other good player Emmanuel Sanders. I think like they had a lot of talent on the team. That's not the case here. This team is poorly built and I started texting around to just my buddies out there in the trenches of football scouting and I got a couple people to hit me back like John, their scouting staff's kind of embarrassment and it shows. And I get the Rooneys take a lot of pride in continuity, consistency and patience I guess is a word. But it's easy to be patient when in the 90s or the 2000s when you're going to a lot of conference championship games, when you have super bowl bursts, when you look over and you go we're six and six, we're technically not even in first place. And honestly, the only reason we have a prayer this year is because Lamar Jackson got banged up and they had some other injuries early in the season. I would say a typical year. At minimum, they're two games behind the Ravens, and that would be the Ravens having a weird season at 8 and 4. So I think if you're the Steelers ownership, you got to look in the mirror and ask yourself, what's going on? And did Mike Tomlin get dumb overnight? No. But clearly the talent on our roster has dramatically fallen off since early in his tenure. And even we go back to, like when they were winning playoff games in the 2010s, they had a lot of impact, guys at a lot of different positions. And they just, the other guys that weren't Pro Bowlers just felt like guys that would start on every team and they were just well built. They just were a balanced team. And I watched this team and I've been saying this now for weeks, they're just not well built. And you Steeler fans that are closer to the sun on this, no more than me. But it does feel the influence Tomlin has if he's picking the players or has a lot of influence on the draft. Maybe I'm out of touch on this. It does feel like the front office has really screwed them and put them in a position to have no chance against the good teams in the NFL because, simply put, they're just not a good team. Okay, couple other things before we get out of here. I do think one thing college football has going for him is unlike the NFL because of the way their system is built with the conferences. It's kind of like pro football now, especially with the NIL meets the Real Housewives, you know, because the NFL doesn't have the capability to steal coaches. So that element is something that just brings a drama and a reality television element, especially in the south, that we just don't get in the NFL. And the Lane Kiffin saga, in a weird way, is fantastic for college football. Why? Because everyone has an opinion. It's one of those that you could ask someone that doesn't even watch that much college football and they would have a take. Oh, he's fucking over his guys. It's like you would never turn down that much. It's lsu.
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What are you talking about? Every single person is going to have an opinion. And I do believe I'm not someone that's scared to take a stance. This was always going to be messy. And I've heard a Couple people say, and I do agree with this. And I watched the documentary that he did on E60. I think it was pretty clear that this year was a lot about changing his image or at least letting the world know that he has changed his image. Right. Let everyone know I'm sober. The hot yoga thing became really, really big. My health, my wellness, my family now has all moved back around me. I'm around my kids, I'm around my ex wife. I text someone tonight, does that mean him and his ex? And I know I text someone that knows him pretty well. It's like, do they like live together? Do they sleep in the same bed? Or is it like his ex wife just moved into town because their son is there now? And I couldn't quite get a real answer, but that's not the point of this whole thing. And maybe they're back in love, maybe they're not. But hey, I'm a family man. It's almost like a politician. You're a stronger politician if you're married, if you can take Christmas card photos with your three children than if you're just standing there with a couple of your boys and a couple 12 packs. I mean, you just look much more hireable when you check all the boxes that society has told you to check. And let's face it, for a long time, and even Lane admitted this, he wasn't checking any of them. And here's the other thing. He has been trying to get all these jobs four years, I know for. And I don't blame him. I know for a fact he really wanted the Oregon job several years ago when Mario went to Miami and they wouldn't even talk to him. Think how crazy that sounds now. Now clearly they made a great hire with Dan Lanning, but at the time, they would not even interview Lane Kiffin. And he obviously was on the fence a couple years about Auburn, ended up staying at Ole Miss. Think about this, because I talk about this a lot, that if. If the Alabama thing, and I've probably tweeted this, like he'll just go back to Alabama. Alabama was open last year and guess who controls all of this? Jimmy Sexton. Well, who's his number one client and kind of has to do whatever he tells him to do when it comes to some of this stuff. Nick Saban in Alabama, definitely, once Nick retired, was not going to hire someone that Nick did not want them to hire. So you're telling me that last year when Alabama came available, Lane Kiffin wouldn't have been interested in the job? Well, Guess what? Alabama wouldn't have hired him. And I think Lane Kiffin knew it. And I don't think the E60 thing was random. And listen, PR propaganda. We live in a world of it all. Clearly. I don't know Lane. I haven't talked to him in a long, long time. But my Fresno ties, it's where Lane went to college. I know a lot of people that know him well. My good buddy Tim Skipper played on the college football team with them. John Baxter, who's the special teams coach at Fresno State, was a special teams coach at usc. Like, listen, I think what everyone says, Lane's a different cat. I do think the drinking and the partying was a big kind of X factor to his life. And I think he wanted to show everyone that is behind him. And you just look at him like he just looks sober with his skinny face. And clearly health is a big part of his life now. I also think, though, he's, like, treated like he's Nick Saban, it's like, guys, I mean, last year he, A lot of people thought beside Ohio State had the best roster in the country and didn't even make the playoffs. Now this year, he's done a really good job. What's his best win? Oklahoma. Again, I'm not trying to diminish any of his accomplishments. My point is that he's talked about, like, he's Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. And I think it's more of a product of this hype machine we work in now. Part of it. He's a huge personality, and that always and will always work in college football. And it's fun. I enjoy it. I like following this whole thing. I'm entertained by it. I understand if you're an Ole Miss fan, you hate him. You're going to believe in that one. You know the guy that said you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. The. I don't know if he's a local reporter, local podcaster. That clearly pissed Lane off. Like, that analogy kind of works your lane. Like, based on your career, you're kind of a nomad bouncing around. Whether you're getting fired, like at USC or like when Nick Saban fired you, or like now you have a playoff team and you're choosing to go to lsu, which may age as being the right decision, may age to not. Because the one thing in the sec, whether you're a huge personality or whether you're an asshole or whether you're a big talker or whether you're an introverted don't say much. If you win, no one cares. But if you don't, and I mean, especially at LSU, at Florida, at Bama, look at Kaylin DeBoer. He was probably a couple minutes away from Auburn scoring. And if they went for two, losing that game to basically being forced to having to go to Penn state just because 9 and 3 would not have been accepted, missing the playoffs would not have been allowed because their expectations there are so high. And I think the Lane is going to have the hoopla, the hype machine. It's going to be a lot of fun, and I'm excited to watch him at lsu. I love the drama of this. I'm very entertained by this. As an outsider, as someone who doesn't have a specific team, I gravitated for years to Nick Saban just because I enjoyed watching Alabama play. But I just enjoy the drama of the sec and I can't wait to watch this. And when LSU goes back to Ole Miss next year, the animosity, the anger, it's going to be a lot of fun. But you better win. You better win big. And I think you get all this money, you get all this hype, eventually you start playing games. And you know what he did at Ole Miss, there's just. There's a bigger magnifying glass at lsu, and it's going to be fascinating to watch. Now, I do think some of these guys. There's no disputing Lane's offensive mind. He's clearly pretty brilliant, you know, going back to USC days, to Alabama when he was with Saban, to what he's done at FAU and clearly at Ole Miss. But I just think this thing is going to be. It's going to be crazy, and it's going to be intense. And the hatred. The other thing in sports, like, sometimes you need villains. Like, you can't just have. It's the problem. Like, I love the PGA Tour. Every guy's just too nice. Now. All their villains play on the live tour. Like, you need some Draymond Greens and Dennis Rodmans. You can't have everyone being buddy, buddy. I. I need people. Like, I. I say this all the time. It speaks to, like, Ohio State and the Lakers that I root against you. That's a powerful thing. People root against the Yankees. People. People root against Duke basketball. No one roots against the Arizona Cardinals. No one roots against the Jacksonville Jaguars. No, no one roots against the Atlanta Hawks. But, like, some people hated Nick Saban. People hated Coach K. People hate Rick Patino or John Calipari. People just want to root against the people hated Brian Kelly. Since Lincoln Riley has gone to usc, I find myself kind of rooting against them. I don't even know why. You just need people to root against. That's the power of sports. You can't. The programs or the teams that are just fans don't care about. That's a problem. So LSU now is gonna. A lot of people in the SEC are gonna root against them. That's good. I mean, that's because Elaine and he's become the number one villain in college football. He's an extremely polarizing individual. 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And I I do believe, and I've been saying this for a while whenever this topic comes up, that a lot of guys in the NFL that are like the third or fourth guy, like if you're the college scouting director or you're like the head SEC scout if you get the opportunity to be the GM of the LSU for Lane or be the GM for Florida or be the GM for Clemson or be the GM for Ohio State. These jobs are pretty elite because a lot of them pay, you know. Jim Nagy, who is a longtime NFL scout, ran the Senior bowl once. Phil Savage left and now he is the general manager at Oklahoma. I'm pretty sure he makes $850,000. So unlike when you're a road scout and you have to travel all over the place, you basically are just in house and because of the current rules you can't go on the road and recruit. So from a travel perspective beside going to the team's away games, it's a pretty good gig. Now. It's hard. Long days, long Hours. But if you're already having that gig in the NFL at a, either on the road for a team or like an in house pro scouting director, you're working crazy hours anyway and not making nearly as much money. I was texting someone today. I've never signed a hundred million dollar contract, but I can't imagine some of these guys that are making $100 million in the SEC that live in these towns. How many homes in Baton rouge or Oxford, Mississippi are worth like over $3 million? You know, this was the thing when Lincoln went to usc, he had just built like a new mansion and they're like, who's he going to sell it to? There's no one in Norman, Oklahoma that is going to buy this off him. So USC had to spend the money to essentially just buy his property. And I do think these guys are just living like, Lane Kiffin is going to make 12 or 13 million dollars to be the head coach in Baton Rouge. He's been making 8, 9, $10 million for the last four or five years in Oxford, Mississippi. Like the amount of money he is making right now, I bet he is making the equivalent of some NFL players making like 20 or 25 million that are living in a place like Los Angeles, San Francisco or New York. When you factor in the taxes, when you factor in the cost of living, like he is swimming in money. And I think a lot of these college football programs are the assistants, the GMs. Like this is a really good time. When I worked in college football, none of these jobs existed. Definitely none of this money was near at this level. So I get asked a lot of times like, how do you get involved? If I want to get in scouting, there is a direct route now in college football and you don't have to start out as like the gm, but just like get your foot in the door. All these programs are, are building and creating scouting departments that did not exist a decade ago. Saban kind of started it maybe in the 2010, 1112 range and by the end of last decade, kind of everyone's copied now because of the growth and the wealth of the sport. There's a lot of money behind it and it's not like, well, you can work for the program, but we can give you a $200 a week stipend. It's like, now we got three positions, they all pay $75,000 and then you can be the number two, make $400,000 and then you can be THE GM and make 900 grand. So it's, it's a crazy business. The Lane Kiffin story was nuts and we just got to buckle up and enjoy it. Have a great night. Hopefully you guys had a good week and talk to everyone. I'll see everyone on Monday morning. Oh yeah, really quick before, before we get out of here. Thanks my man Shane for reminding me. Hard Rock Bet all our lines are brought to you by them. They've been great partners and I, I do like a lot of underdogs in this situation when they're playing in primetime because for the New York Giants, 1, since Mike Kafka has taken over, they have, they could have gone two and oh right, they could have beat the packers and they could have beat the Lions. They've played well. I also think Jackson darts coming back should give him a little life. They're bound to win one of these games. I mean no team has blown more late leads. Obviously they just fired their defensive coordinator. I just think seven points a lot. We have seen multiple seven point plus underdogs, whether it's the Bears, whether it's the Bengals cover go on the road in cover actually outright win. So I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the Giants getting a touchdown and yeah, so that's the way I will roll. Have a great night. The Volume.
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