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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Reaction to C.J. Stroud & Texans OUTDUELING Mahomes & Chiefs on SNF + NFL Week 14
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John Middelkoff
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
What is going on, everybody?
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John Middelkoff
A late night here.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Three and out podcast with me, John.
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John Middelkoff
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Love these guys. Currently have one in actually, and it's been a long day. It's been a long couple of days. Watched a lot of football over the last 48 hours.
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John Middelkoff
Some might say it's an unhealthy amount, but I'd say I do this for a living. So that's what I do. Sit on the couch and I consume. And that's what I literally just did. Watching a dynasty and a run kind.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Of come to an end. Obviously the Chiefs, their playoff hopes, I would say officially are over and the dynasty is going to come to an end. We'll talk about that. Obviously, the Texans, red hot. We had the Bears, packers, we had Steelers, Ravens, we had Cincinnati. And Joe Burrow with the craziest two plays you'll ever see when he was in the midst of one of the great games I've ever seen a guy play to throw a couple picks change everything. And Josh Allen go superhuman. We had a lot of other stuff going on. We got stories about desean Watson. You got Shador throwing touchdowns.
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John Middelkoff
You got Daniel Jones tearing Achilles, you got Notre Dame quitting on football. So we'll dive into it all.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Appreciate everybody who, who watches. If you, if you follow on YouTube, make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel. Like I've, like I've been saying on the channel, I appreciate all you guys sending me those YouTube wraps. Those of you listen on the audio, if you listen on Collins feed, make.
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John Middelkoff
Sure you subscribe to the three and out podcast.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
We do a daily podcast here. It's like a daily radio show, just talking ball. And obviously I go on with Colin every Sunday, so you can check that podcast out as well on his feed.
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John Middelkoff
So we got a lot of football coming up. We got a big Monday night game. Nick Sirianni's getting more involved, taking the.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Boys into Los Angeles to take on Jim Harbaugh. That should be fun. Jim Harbaugh could see his old buddy Vic Fangio, who spent they spent a lot of time together at Stanford and 49ers. So I'm excited for that Monday night game.
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John Middelkoff
Football. The football matters now. December is when you remember.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I don't even know if that's a statement, but I just made it up.
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John Middelkoff
But let's, let's dive into the Chiefs. You know, when the last dance happened.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I think part of the power of that documentary won. Uh, we didn't have much to do at the time.
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John Middelkoff
But two, anytime that you see like.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
This, this Elway documentary that's coming out on Netflix, you.
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John Middelkoff
You see a legendary team, a legendary individual go out on top. It, it's pretty unreal. But that's usually not the way it goes. Uh, I wasn't alive, but my dad once told me that Willie Mays ended his career on the New York Mets. Right? No. 1, when they speak about Tom Brady, talk about that last year where they went 8, 9, played the Cowboys on a Monday night wildcard game and lost like 75 to nothing. We talk about Tom Brady winning the.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Super bowl in his first year for.
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John Middelkoff
Tampa or all the great games he had for the New England Patriots. Well, the Kansas City Chiefs have officially run out of gas. This team's not very good, right? And like, it's over. They're six and seven. They have the same record. Let me repeat as the Miami Dolphins. I'm going to say it again. The Miami Dolphins. That is insane. In fairness to the Miami Dolphins, they're kind of hot. They actually playing pretty well. I'd be lying if I said I watched any of that game. Didn't even realize it was going on till halftime. Looked up, the Miami Dolphins won by three scores and two. I didn't even throw for 130 yards. So listen, no disrespect to the Miami Dolphins, give them a lot of respect for battling after an awful start, but this Chiefs team just isn't very good defensively. They battled their ass off tonight, but the reality is of this core group of players, like, once upon a time, you know, Brady, they won those Super Bowls, and then they went 10 years between super Bowls. But when you think about the Brady dynasty, we talk about the two different iterations. The one with Rabel, the one with Bruski, the one with Troy Brown, that, that group early. And then there's the late one with Devin McCourty, with Dante Hightower, with Edelman, with Gronkowski. We don't really talk that often about like the greatness. I mean, we discussed the team, the 07 pass. But like Welker, Randy Moss, those guys didn't win anything. Well, I was in the NFL when Randy Moss was on the Patriots and. And then he got traded to the Titans. Wes Welker basically got Wally Pipped and replaced by Julian Edelman. That happened. And then they transitioned to the next group well, Collinsworth mentioned it tonight. You know, listen, Travis Kelsey has had two moments that are going to be hard to forget. He had the moment against the Jags that he turns around, comes late ball pick. The guy goes 99 yards for a touchdown. He has the play tonight where that's what happens when you're old. Like you're not 30 anymore. In your prime, your margin for error is much smaller. You're not quite as quick. You don't make the plays. He makes that play 100% of the time. Four years ago, 100% of the time. Both those two plays are catches. One's a touchdown against the Jags and the other is a catch against the Texans. Instead. They're interceptions. They go the other way. Well, as Collinsworth mentioned, his contract's over after this year. His career with the Kansas City Chiefs is over. Like, he's not going to be on the Kansas City Chiefs next year. The other guy, Chris Jones, who is a little bit of a roller coaster when you watch him on the right night like tonight, he's incredible. If you didn't watch the Chiefs all season and you just turned on, on the game tonight, you would go, that's.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Got to be the best player in the NFL.
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John Middelkoff
But he doesn't do that all the time. And I looked at his contract today. He got extended a couple years ago. 24 was guaranteed, 25 was guaranteed. Well, in 20, 26, partially it's guaranteed.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Because it kicked in at the beginning.
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John Middelkoff
Of this league year.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I think it's like $19 million.
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John Middelkoff
But his cap hit is enormous. They're obviously not going to cut him because the cap, the dead cap, is even bigger. Well, what did they do last offseason? They traded Joe Tuney to the Chicago Bears.
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Colin Coward
Who?
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John Middelkoff
Andy Reid, after it happened, said, he's one of my favorite players I've ever coached, but it's part of the business. It's part of building a football team in a structure of a salary cap. Do you think I wanted to get rid of this player? Of course not. I did not have a choice. Well, they're not because they weren't going to extend him. Just they're not going to give Chris Jones a fourth contract. So to me, Chris Jones, he's not going to be cut. He's definitely not retiring. He's going to be traded this off season. He's not going to be on the. I'd be stunned if he's on the Chiefs next year. And part of transitioning and extending this run is figuring out how to put the piece of the puzzle with new players over the next couple years and.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That'S what they have to do because.
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John Middelkoff
This group as we've known it, you know, this core group of guys that we've seen win all these Super Bowls and playing some of his biggest games, have now kind of flopped this season at 6 and 7. And listen, you can go well, how Andy Reid went forward this year. Andy Reid went forward in four on fourth down on that. It was like fourth and one and a half. Realized this team's not going anywhere. Like, what, what am I, I've won all the, I'm not Ryan Day, I'm not kicking a field goal trying to tie it when I'm the defending champ and I've fucking done everything I, I've needed to do and this game doesn't like, what am I talking about? I'm going for it. I, I saw people like, how's he doing that? Throwing away the season, throwing away the season. The season was thrown away weeks ago. And the other simple reality is I love this guy.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I have nothing but respect for him.
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John Middelkoff
Knowing people in that organization from coach re down, the way they have talked.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
About Patrick, the way he operates, like.
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John Middelkoff
As you get older and you find out about people that you don't know, maybe that work in your industry or work around you or even just like live in your and someone's like, yeah.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
He'S just a great guy, man. He's just a really, really high level dude. And his work ethic, how hard he trains, how seriously he takes his craft.
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John Middelkoff
Like I, I, the older I get.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I respect that much more than like.
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John Middelkoff
Did you see his highlight play? Like, I saw this clip of DK Metcalf. They put him at gunner on punt. Like, say what you want about dk, he's definitely been underwhelming for the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I respect the out of that. So I can't have any more respect for Patrick Mahomes. But he hasn't really played that great this year and there are a lot of players, if they would have just played like he played would get criticized, like hardcore. Like, it would be pretty ugly. Like it would, it would kind of be relentless. And he makes some awesome plays, especially with his legs and he's obviously a great competitor keeping plays alive. But like his games kind of up and down, they, they need him to play better if they're going to flip this thing around moving forward because their team is going to look dramatically different. And at this point in time now they show the schedule toward the end of the game. They're going to be favored in most.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Of these games and they could still win several of them.
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John Middelkoff
But in a weird way, listen, this is not the NBA. They're not going to tank. They are better off losing out than.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They are winning out.
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John Middelkoff
Because for them to turn this thing around, having a better draft pick, and I don't just mean in the first round, I mean in every round is the easiest way for next year. Them to get better players. It is difficult. You can do two things to screw up a draft.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
When you're really good, you can make a bold trade. We have seen teams do that. 49ers did it. You lose a bunch of first round picks. Held.
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John Middelkoff
The Texans did it when they got Will Anderson. And you just feel at times like.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Throughout the last couple years, some of.
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John Middelkoff
Their depth is missing. That's what happens when you're missing picks, right? The Cleveland Browns did it when they traded for Deshaun Watson. Like you look back, you're like, we're missing two or three first rounders because we made an acquisition and that acquisition doesn't go right. It can be a big problem or just when you draft at the end of the round, it's difficult, right? Listen, when the trade happened on draft night and the Chiefs traded into the.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
First round for Xavier Worthy and the.
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John Middelkoff
Bills traded out for Keon Coleman, we all had a million takes. I'm as guilty as anybody. But going a couple of years later, like Xavier Worthy's fine. Keon Coleman got benched in the middle of the year, made a play today, like, these guys are fine. It's harder to hit on wide receiver sometimes at the end of the first round than it is at pick 12, pick 13, you are much more likely to get a better player. So obviously this year for the Chiefs, given their standard, given what we think of them, if you would have told anybody at this point in time, they'd be six and seven of the same record as the Miami Dolphins, no one would have believed you. But it happened. And you watch them and it kind of feels right. And one thing, even over the last couple years, I have so many friends.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
There that I enjoy watching the team.
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John Middelkoff
Even when it's ugly. But you hear from a lot of people like, they can be a difficult watch at times. Tonight they, they weren't the most enjoyable watch though. Like in this modern day era of everyone scoring all these points, everyone's spreading it out. You know, I'm, I'm a sucker for a 13:10 game in the third, in the third quarter. I like a game where at any given moment, people can get injured because everyone is getting tackled so hard. Like, I. I still really respect games like that. I saw people tweeting how the Indiana, Ohio State game was just like, wasn't that great?
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Like, I don't know about you, but I thoroughly.
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John Middelkoff
I don't need a game to be.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Buffalo, Cincinnati to really entertain me, though.
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John Middelkoff
Really enjoy that game as well. So I just think the Chiefs, their offensive magic over the last couple years is clearly gone. Part of that, no. 1, you know, people hesitate to say it because his resume speaks for itself, but some of that lies on Patrick not playing as well. And listen, they got some older veteran players that aren't as reliable as they once were. Now, Chris Jones was all over the place tonight.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
He was making C.J. run for his life.
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John Middelkoff
But they're just out of juice. You know, if you get in your car and you just start driving, eventually.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You'Re going to run out of gas.
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John Middelkoff
And when you do, you got to refill it. And that's what it feels like.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
The Chiefs, at the point in time it is in this operation, like they need a refill.
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John Middelkoff
And the difference is, sometimes you get out the gas station, you look around.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Your car, and you got, like, Gatorade bottles, you got some sunflower seeds, you got shit in the back seat. You're like, I just need to clean out this car. And you just take a bunch of stuff. I try to go to Costco because it got some cheaper gas. Throw away a bunch of stuff. It's like a. It's like a cleansing of my car every time I go to the gas station.
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John Middelkoff
And that's what I think the Chiefs.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Need to do this off season. And we'll see how they end up. I mean, if I was a betting man right now, they probably end up, I would guess, like 9 and 8.
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John Middelkoff
But if you tell me that they win one of their last three games.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I do think they will be better off. Now, that's not the way Coach Reed's going to operate. That's not the way these guys are going to play. But I don't think it's crazy. The last couple games, if you almost just give Patrick, just let Gardner Minshew play some games. You know, it's tough, especially if it's becomes pretty clear that Travis is going to retire, which I think we all kind of envision him doing. You know, he's not going to want to just be out there with Garner Minchu, right? So you kind of want to give him a little Send off. But I think we've seen we're basically at the end of the road, as my guys in Boys to Men would say, when it comes to these three guys. And they've had an incredible run. Most people thought when they traded Tyree Kill they were, you know, on drugs. Turns out it was one of the smartest moves in the history of the league. They rattled off back to back Super Bowls. They were able to kind of replenish, and that's what it feels like they need to do right now, replenish.
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John Middelkoff
They're just, they're not as potent.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I mean, you watch them against the Texans. The Texans have every bit the talent they have, if not more, you would argue on defense, they have more talent. They're just a deeper unit. And offensively.
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You know, with some of their injuries, like, what the hell's the.
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John Middelkoff
Difference what the hell's the difference between.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Woody Marks and Kareem Hunt and Isaiah Pacheco? I'd probably rather have for the next couple of years Woody Marks more versatile player, right? You would take Nico Collins, you know, probably over any Chiefs wide receiver. I mean, Rasheed Rice pretty good. He didn't have a good game tonight.
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John Middelkoff
You know, I think Xavier Worthy's okay. You'd like a little more. But I think at this point in time, he kind of is what he is. You know, he's a fast guy that, you know, kind of catches the ball and goes down. He's not going to run around. You run over you jump over you. Like, he's just, he can make some explosive plays and it kind of ends there.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
So I think they, they're going to.
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John Middelkoff
Need a new tight end.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You know, obviously they have a stud left tackle who broke his, who broke his wrist. And he's going to be a big part of the future. Carloftis, you hope Trent McDuffie's okay. He's, you know, he'll be a part of the future, but they're going to need some reinforcements because they're just out of gas and they're at the gas station. It's time to fill up. And that's why this offseason is going to be huge. And like you saw last year, I think you will continue to see. And if you go back in the history, you know, of Andy, like, they'll.
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John Middelkoff
Make some big moves. Like, he's not afraid to kind of mix things up. And this is the type franchise where.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You'Re just looking at right now. Like, sometimes you go into a home and you go, God, this thing needs A facelift, right? This thing needs a little work.
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John Middelkoff
And that's what. Anyone that's just watched the Chiefs, we.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
All have, because they're on, you know, primetime games, it feels like 80% of.
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John Middelkoff
The year, it's like they just need, it's like they need a remodel, they need a touch up and they need their best player to play better. You know, I mean, you're watching Cincinnati, Buffalo, I'll probably go into that game later. But you watch those two quarterbacks like they're just better players than Patrick Mahomes right now. Joe Burrow and Josh Allen are just.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Better players in 2025.
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John Middelkoff
I'm not talking about the history of their careers. I'm not talking about 2023, I'm not talking about 2020. I'm talking about right now. Those two guys are better than him. They just are. That doesn't mean in a one off, if they were in the AFC championship game, they would beat him. But today, and I think Chiefs fans would admit this if they watch that game as well, those two guys are better players right now. And I just think there's going to be, they're going to get a much longer off season.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Obviously you're going to have to look.
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John Middelkoff
In the mirror a little bit. What can I do to be better? But it just, it is what it is. And they're six and seven. Just a devastating season for a team.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That, you know, has the highest of.
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John Middelkoff
Hopes in the league. Because there's, you could say the Eagles this year, there just aren't that many teams.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Even in college, like, there aren't many.
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John Middelkoff
Teams like super bowl or bust, national championships or bust. Like even Indiana, they're the one seed. It is not national championship or bust. They just beat Ohio State to win the Big Ten. If they were to lose in the first round, it would suck, you know.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Their first round, which would be the.
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John Middelkoff
Second round, they still beat Ohio State, which is the biggest win in the history of the program by a country mile. So if they got to the final Four, they beat Ohio State. Fucking whole program. All the fans would do cartwheels down the street. The Chiefs, it's like, that's why when everyone's like, how's Andy going forward on fourth down? Because he's not your normal coach. He's been in the super bowl five of the last six years. Like, he's just like, I'm just gonna lean on my best player right now. It's like, we want to play defense, then punt back and get the ball. He's not thinking like that. He's just trying to score right now, get some momentum, get something going. He's not waiting to, like, let's punt the ball back and then hopefully get a stop. And it's like, no, he's. He's not. D'. Ameco. Ryan's. D' Ameco's trying to get into the playoffs and win a game. D' Ameco gets to the playoffs and wins a playoff game. That is a successful season for the Houston Texans. No one would deny that, especially when they start. Oh, and three, if you make it to the playoffs, even if you don't win the division, you're a wild card. You win a playoff game, which would mean you're on the road. You get to the second round after that. That's incredible. It's a notch on his belt. Chiefs don't get any, like, extra credit for just like, hey, we're just right into the wild card mix till the last week, and we missed it. It's not the way they think, right? Jeff Bezos, Steve Jobs, some of these guys, they don't think about money like you. And I think, hell, they don't think about money like other rich people think. So there are different levels to the way you look at things. And he's not looking at it like an individual game. He's looking at it like that moment you gotta go. I'm sure he's going to get crushed.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
For it, but I just, like, I.
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John Middelkoff
Would have done the same thing. He's probably tired of watching this team. You can just tell, like, it's like, I'm just. I want this to end. This is not. We're just off. And now we know, like, they're not going to the playoffs. Just check the afc. They really. I mean, mathematically not eliminated. They got no shot. I mean, at. At 7, the Texans are 8 and 5. So with the Chargers, if the Chargers were to win tomorrow, it basically becomes done because the Texans then, and the.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Jags would both be in. The Bills are obviously going in. The Patriots are going in. The Broncos are going in. You know, someone has to win between the Steelers and the Ravens, and the Colts are just in a free fall. So, I mean, the Chiefs now are.
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John Middelkoff
Tied with the Ravens at 6 and 6. The Dolphins are at 6 and 7.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And the Dolphins at 6 and 7.
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John Middelkoff
And that feels about right. None of them were that good, you know. Now the difference is Chiefs have won a lot before. They got a lot of hardware in their closet. And even the years they didn't win it, they were still in the super bowl. So it's like, you know, ties have been pretty good for them. But this year not.
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John Middelkoff
And on the flip side, like the Texans, I'll say this big picture about.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Them and I I'm someone that you know.
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John Middelkoff
If Seattle and the Texans win their divisions, your boy can hit some huge parlays. A couple of the biggest parlays.
- [28:46]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Biggest parlay ever Hit was when Bryson won the US Open. Paid about 18K. But that's, that's a one off.
- [28:53]
John Middelkoff
If the Texans can. We still got an uphill battle.
- [28:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
We're still chasing.
- [28:56]
John Middelkoff
We need the Jags to drop.
- [28:58]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And they just, they beat the hell out of the Indianapolis Colts. But there is no disputing they are one of, if not the hottest team in the NFL right now. And it's, it starts and ends with their defense. Their defense is dominant.
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I don't think they can win the Super Bowl. I have a hard time seeing especially if, I mean they're not going to get the one seed. They'd have to win three games just to get to the Super Bowl. Feels a little unlikely.
- [29:22]
John Middelkoff
Their offense, I mean they had a.
- [29:24]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Stretch tonight where they come out of, of halftime. They're up. I think, I think the score was 10 to 7. Let me pull up the box score really quick.
- [29:34]
John Middelkoff
It's 10.
- [29:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It's 10 nothing at half actually. Yeah. Because then the Chiefs. The Chiefs scored. So at a half, this is how they start the second half.
- [29:46]
John Middelkoff
Three and out punt, three and out punt, minus four yards, two yards in those two drives. So a combined minus two yards, three and out punt for no yards. So after their first three possessions in the second half, they combine for a total of negative 2 yards. Their fourth drive was three plays and punt as well. Their fifth drive was six plays and 19 yards and then a punt.
- [30:14]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And then that's when Andy went for it and they got it back and scored. The offense at any moment can look inept when they're playing a really good guy up front, like a guy like Chris Jones. He can feel immediately like one of the greatest players in the history of the league because he's unblockable. And C.J. was doing a great job the night of scrambling around. He actually made some incredible plays. I thought both guys did a pretty good job scrambling around. CJ I thought was a little more.
- [30:40]
John Middelkoff
Accurate on some plays.
- [30:41]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Now the Chiefs had a bunch of drops as well, but CJ kept a lot of plays alive with his legs. Had to. It's just hard to trust that offense. I mean Woody Marks, they're relying on him a lot. Nick Chubb is kind of a shell of his oneself. Obviously he's injured. You know, you just don't have much faith in their ability to run the ball. Nico Collins, a really good player. They're going to also rely on some of these younger guys. I think the Iowa State rookie had a big catch tonight, but I have a hard time seeing them Win a ton of games in a row because offensively, like you're going to have to score points.
- [31:13]
John Middelkoff
But when your defense is this good.
- [31:16]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And clearly they have a good coaching staff, to me goes a stud. They're just a well run operation at this point. They could beat anyone in an individual situation. So if they're the seven seed, they can take out the two seed. If they're like the five or six seed and draw the number one seed in the, in the second round, they can win that game.
- [31:34]
John Middelkoff
They can win any individual game. It's why if they were in the super bowl, they could win the super bowl because like that defense could take over.
- [31:42]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
All of a sudden it's 10, 10 in the fourth quarter. But I just think it's hard to.
- [31:46]
John Middelkoff
Do that consistently against the best teams.
- [31:48]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
In the league to win that many games when your offense isn't playing that well and just not that, you know.
- [31:55]
John Middelkoff
Reliable though their quarterback is a good playmaker. It just that defense and this team, there's a physicality to them.
- [32:04]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I mean, I just thought the overall physicality on that field tonight was a little bit of a throwback. It felt like, you know, pre CTE rules when you just went across the middle and you could just get a concussion. The type where you would shake off and they'd throw you back in, but it would look like you were dead on the field and like three plays, plays later you'd be back. There were so many big hits, big tackles. I thought today was just a very physical day in general.
- [32:31]
John Middelkoff
And I think part of it is.
- [32:33]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
When it gets really cold outside and you start talking about in the teens, what was it like 17 degrees at kickoff. You're talking, you got to be fucking nuts. I mean absolutely bananas upstairs. To play linebacker, to play safety and.
- [32:50]
John Middelkoff
To be able to like trigger downhill.
- [32:53]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
When a guy is, you know, 10 yards away about to catch a ball and you see and you break and.
- [32:59]
John Middelkoff
You go full speed and you don't even think for a second to hesitate. So the level of like contained craziness.
- [33:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
On the field on some of these high level games today in the weather was just off the charts. Listen, we're never going to have the days of the 80s and the 90s. You know, some of those hit videos that used to pre Internet, they wouldn't go viral but they would sell because they would be like on the shelves of like biggest hits. NFL 1996. Every Kid I knew would go into the video store and want their mom or dad to rent it or buy it. Like those Days are kind of done. But there is still, like, some nostalgia for me when I watch these games and I watch guys just get blasted. And that's what the Texas. I mean, the Chiefs match them tonight.
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John Middelkoff
That.
- [33:46]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That was a war zone for 60 minutes on an NFL field narrowhead. And the Texans, just that mentality that translates. It always has and always will. So when you have that good of a defense, you got a shot, right?
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John Middelkoff
I would take them, like, they have a better shot to me to beat.
- [34:03]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Anybody than the Jags do.
- [34:04]
John Middelkoff
And that's no disrespect for the Jags.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Listen, you're nine and four.
- [34:08]
You beat some good teams.
- [34:10]
John Middelkoff
But I just think what the Texans do, well translates better in a big.
- [34:15]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Game than the Jags, though. I mean, listen, I respect Liam Cohen. They've done an excellent job. That franchise is a joke. And they're nine and four.
- [34:24]
Both these two teams actually deserve a lot of credit. I mean, the start the Texans have, they've got to lose some sleep at night knowing, like, God, if we just had won one of those early games or not dropped one of those stupid games, we would be right there. And if we got, you know, home field, if we were able to get like, you know, it's probably going to be hard to get anything else than the three seed, given that the Patriots and the Broncos, in some order, are going to be one and two. But yeah, Chiefs, Chiefs. Dynasty's over and the Texans are coming.
- [34:57]
John Middelkoff
Before we dive into some other stuff.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
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John Middelkoff
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
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John Middelkoff
You want to go to any of these NFL games?
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
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John Middelkoff
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
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John Middelkoff
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
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John Middelkoff
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I thought Bears, packers is that second.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Half was some of the most riveting TV I can remember. That, that, that was, that was elite. That was awesome. We have watched some bad football this year. That was not it. I thought there was so much to that.
- [36:09]
John Middelkoff
Game one when it looked like the packers were about to step on their.
- [36:12]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Neck early in the game. They're up 14 to 3. Caleb has like under 40 yards passing. You're just thinking, are the packers going to roll?
- [36:20]
John Middelkoff
These guys are the Bears kind of sneaky frauds. Then they come out in the second.
- [36:24]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Half, it's like, no, we're not sneaky frauds. We're the Chicago freaking Bears led by Ben Johnson.
- [36:29]
John Middelkoff
Caleb started scrambling around, making some sweet plays. There's just some like guile and heart.
- [36:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
To this franchise that simply didn't exist.
- [36:38]
John Middelkoff
You know, the way people like the packers have been good forever and there's no team that can go from one of the greatest players of all time to an even better player than him in Rogers to this Jordan Love, who is like third in the odds right now for mvp.
- [36:54]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Actually, I think he's fourth, but it's still very much alive.
- [36:57]
John Middelkoff
Like you just don't do that. It's. I've seen it twice happen in my life. Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jeff Garcia, far.
- [37:05]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Of Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love. They're always well coached, they're always well built.
- [37:09]
John Middelkoff
You know, I didn't bet the game.
- [37:11]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Because I'm like, listen, do I think.
- [37:13]
John Middelkoff
The packers should win? I do, but I'm not betting against this Bears team. And then you watch that first half like, ah, maybe they are who they. I thought they would be.
- [37:20]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It's like no team as heart team has like a physical nature.
- [37:26]
John Middelkoff
You know, they have a lot of teams, right.
- [37:28]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Look, the. I guess the Lions would be an outlier team that legitimately has two backs.
- [37:35]
John Middelkoff
Most good teams like I rely on.
- [37:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Derek Henry, I'm relying on Christian McCaffrey, I'm relying on James Cook and rightfully so.
- [37:42]
John Middelkoff
This is my blue chipper, Saquon Barkley.
- [37:44]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I'm going to ride this guy like Secretariat.
- [37:46]
John Middelkoff
Now with Menungi, you got him. And Swift, you combined like today, I think they combined for almost 150, 120 yards. And anytime that you can run the ball, and this goes to Saturday night with Indiana, that creates a toughness because you practice that and even if you go off to scout team, eventually you go ones on ones in practice and the physicality of a running game adds to the physicality of a team and, and adds to the toughness of a team and to go on the road. Like one thing that is not really arguable. Packers team speed on defense is elite and their physicality, I don't know if all 11 guys you would call like a high end hitter, but it felt like nine of the 11 guys will have no hesitation to lower their shoulder and blast you. I mean their physicality, their team speed. Obviously Micah, anytime you have a guy like Miles Garrett or Micah who is so fast in the open field, they feel even that much. Von Miller was like this when he played for Denver and.
- [38:53]
For Green Bay to be up in the second half 21 to 14 and the Bears to get the ball with a little less.
- [39:00]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Than like 2 minutes left to go.
- [39:01]
John Middelkoff
In the third quarter and basically go on an 18 minute or an 8 minute 17 play drive and score a touchdown.
- [39:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I was like, listen, whether they win.
- [39:11]
John Middelkoff
Or lose this game, this team is no joke. Do I think they're win the Super Bowl? Probably not.
- [39:15]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
But like this is a legitimate playoff team.
- [39:18]
John Middelkoff
And I would argue this about the Bears.
- [39:21]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I told this to Colin. All the pressure was on the packers at Lambeau Field. You make this big trade for, for Micah Parsons.
- [39:30]
John Middelkoff
People like your boy has tickets on them to go to the super bowl. Like they were a Super bowl caliber team and you're eight, three and one.
- [39:38]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You have one like you got to win this game.
- [39:40]
John Middelkoff
To me, the pressure pie chart for that game was 100%. Green Bay 0 Chicago. Even if Chicago would end up losing by a couple of touchdowns, like whatever. We had the Browns coming up, then we get them at home. Season not over by any means, but the way they lost was like, I mean Caleb literally hit the play did he up on and he was probably.
- [40:02]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Like a step late because tight end was open and he just didn't pull.
- [40:07]
John Middelkoff
The trigger right away. It is a tough play. I would also imagine he's pretty gassed. Like part of it is also the energy that goes into these games. Factoring in the cold weather, you know, he's probably not as spry as he realizes that.
- [40:22]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
He's not.
- [40:22]
John Middelkoff
Like he doesn't even realize physically what percentage he's at. It's like a video game when a guy starts at 100 and then he's down to like 50% and he's just not moving as quick. Like I don't even think Caleb probably quite realized because he could make that throw in his sleep, even if he's late with the power of his arm overthrow it. But I, I think sometimes the factoring in of a 12 degree game. When's the last time I, I know he mentioned to Brady, like, I, I feel comfortable playing in these games. I grew up in this area. Well, yeah, you've been at USC the last couple years, though, so it's like, you know, last year in Chicago, but you haven't played in that many of these frigid games. And I would also say this about the Midwest. It's colder than D.C. so it doesn't get any colder than that little stretch of Kansas City. You know, Chicago, Green Bay, like, that's as cold as we got. Cleveland today looked frigid. Buffalo, I mean, these places are colder than everywhere else in the country. And it just does affect you. So the more you play, like, Love's pretty comfortable in it. He's lived in Green Bay for how many years now as a backup, just standing on the sideline forever, then as the starter now for the last, whatever, three years. Like, you just, you live in Green Bay six or seven years. I don't want to say you ever get used to it, but like, you somewhat become accustomed. Like, you're more comfortable in frigid temperatures. Even LA Florida day. There is no amount of money you.
- [41:46]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Could have paid me one to attend that game. I, I would have lasted five minutes.
- [41:50]
John Middelkoff
But if I was a coach in.
- [41:51]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That game, to not have a beanie.
- [41:52]
John Middelkoff
On and you, you know, you look at the Bears coaches, like they looked a little colder, right? I mean, I've seen Hightower standing there next to Ben Johnson. Like, I, I respect Ben Johnson. He's a hat on, you know, the floor. Just the, the no, the no cap on his head to me is kind of like a, a muscle flex of a player. Even Micah Parsons was the coldest game he'd ever played in. Makes sense, right? Penn State's not that cold.
- [42:15]
Total Wireless Advertiser
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- [42:16]
John Middelkoff
It ain't that. And last time I checked, like, Penn State ain't playing home games in December. Playing in Dallas, you're definitely not playing games like that.
- [42:24]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I lived in Philly.
- [42:24]
John Middelkoff
It doesn't get that cold Dallas indoors.
- [42:28]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Right.
- [42:29]
John Middelkoff
So I just, that that game was, was pretty incredible. Caleb run around, made a bunch of plays.
- [42:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Jordan Love, I thought was awesome.
- [42:38]
John Middelkoff
One major wild card is, is Christian Watson now. Five touchdowns the last four games. You know, from bombs to slants to the house, he gives them an element.
- [42:47]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That is just, it's, you know, losing craft sucks, but getting him back is kind of balanced the scales a little bit. And listen, some guys are just badasses.
- [42:58]
John Middelkoff
Some guys are just in a huge.
- [42:59]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Game I'd want this guy on my side. And Josh Jacobs is one of those.
- [43:03]
John Middelkoff
Guys, you know, for all the shit Mike Mayox 10 year takes, you know.
- [43:09]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
When he was the GM of the Raiders with Gruden, he loved Josh Jacobs and he drafted him in the first round. And Josh Jacobs is a big time player. He's such a good, you know, receiver out of the backfield. The play he made on that third down today where they run him, it's like the sweep outside and he's just corralled.
- [43:27]
John Middelkoff
I mean, there's, there's four guys.
- [43:29]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I mean, Barry Sanders could have been in that position. You're like, it's just not going to go your way on this run. It was not your fault. That bad play call against that defense. And what does he do?
- [43:38]
John Middelkoff
He kind of stops, breaks through a.
- [43:40]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Tackle, breaks through another, and all of.
- [43:41]
John Middelkoff
A sudden it's like a 15 yard game.
- [43:43]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It's like that's just all talent.
- [43:45]
John Middelkoff
It's like, well, yeah, from Alabama. He's got some ability. First rounder.
- [43:49]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And he was, he was big time today.
- [43:52]
John Middelkoff
And that, that was a game. And so were the other two running.
- [43:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Backs for the Bears.
- [43:56]
John Middelkoff
That, that was, that was awesome. That was, I, I think my favorite.
- [44:01]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
NFL game so far this season. Maybe I'm being hyperbolic, maybe I'm overreacting because it just happened today, but I really en.
- [44:08]
John Middelkoff
Speaking of a game that wasn't as.
- [44:11]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Good.
- [44:13]
Was the Steelers and the Ravens.
- [44:15]
John Middelkoff
It wasn't bad.
- [44:16]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
But.
- [44:20]
John Middelkoff
You know, when stories come out.
- [44:22]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
If you do like what I do for a living, a lot of my business is reacting to stories.
- [44:27]
John Middelkoff
So you do it long enough, you go, well, who, what's the point of this story? And when shifter over the weekend tweets about the status of Tomlin's contract that like he's essentially going into a lame.
- [44:42]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Duck year because it has a team option for 2027 and the writing's on the wall that they're probably not going.
- [44:47]
John Middelkoff
To pick that up. So it's like they're not going to fire him, but essentially putting out the bat signal he's available to be traded for that. That's the way I took it could be wrong, but just trying to read between the lines, I went, wow, this.
- [45:05]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Is kind of crazy.
- [45:07]
John Middelkoff
Who knows, maybe Tomlin's putting that out. Someone is like, I, I, I think that is coming from some angle of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
- [45:16]
You know, where I stood.
- [45:17]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I love the Ravens in this game. I, I just, I said, even based.
- [45:21]
John Middelkoff
On last game, Lamar clearly looks like.
- [45:24]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
50% of his normal self. But Steeler teams leaking oil, It's a problem. Well, I was wrong. Rogers was really good today.
- [45:31]
John Middelkoff
DK Metcalf Rogers said after the game.
- [45:34]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
In the postgame interview, he went out of his way to, like, hammer home like dk.
- [45:39]
John Middelkoff
This week was unreal in practice, his focus, he was dialed as, as anyone.
- [45:46]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
On our team has been all season long.
- [45:48]
John Middelkoff
And the clip has gone viral of DK playing gunner. That was a kind of draw the.
- [45:53]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Line in the sand game for the whole franchise.
- [45:56]
John Middelkoff
But I do think with the Tomlin thing, you know, Rogers pushed back after, like, you guys need to shut up. It's like, we didn't. I didn't make up this story, like the Tomlin thing. It's like, well, you guys are six and six, kind of circle in the drain. You're a big underdog on the road. In Baltimore, stories are breaking about your coach being in a lame duck situation. They're not going to fire him, but they probably trade them. Yeah, I mean, I like the Ravens.
- [46:20]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I was wrong. I was really wrong.
- [46:22]
John Middelkoff
I. I think Lamar looks terrible and.
- [46:25]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It'S not because he's just a bad player.
- [46:27]
John Middelkoff
Clearly he's injured and not nearly. And I mean, if his speed in this peak was a 10 out of 10, what do you think his speed is right now?
- [46:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Like a five? I mean, Caleb is dramatically faster running around, making plays.
- [46:42]
John Middelkoff
It's not even close. There's not really much playmaking to Lamar. There was a run. Who was calling. Was Romo calling that game where he breaks a run? And I think it was Romo.
- [46:56]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That game feels like 17 hours ago at 10:30 at night. And he goes, God, it's rare you see Lamar just get tackled in the open field like that.
- [47:04]
John Middelkoff
It's like, well, yeah, because this is not the version of Lamar. So whatever they're playing with. And their defense clearly isn't as good. I mean, the Steelers were cooking them. And even on the one play, I think it was 20 to 16, it was like, okay, the Ravens are going.
- [47:19]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
To get back into this game.
- [47:21]
John Middelkoff
Just a pretty basic, like, play action.
- [47:23]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Rollout dump off the Jalen Warren. He walks in the end zone like 40 yards.
- [47:27]
John Middelkoff
What the fuck's going on here?
- [47:28]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Baltimore.
- [47:29]
John Middelkoff
So congrats to the Steelers rallying the troop. That's a massive win.
- [47:33]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Now the next couple of weeks, it's.
- [47:35]
John Middelkoff
By no means over.
- [47:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They still play each other again, you know, the Ravens next week play the Bengals. Then they got the Patriots, you know, next week, the Steelers playing Monday Night.
- [47:45]
John Middelkoff
Football, which is actually a sneaky interesting game.
- [47:47]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Now they play the Dolphins and then.
- [47:50]
John Middelkoff
They go on a short week to Detroit. So right now the Steelers are in first place, obviously. But let's I.
- [47:57]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
This thing could get weird Now. I also have no trust in the Ravens. Like, do I think the Ravens are just going to go to Cincinnati and win? I think that will be pretty difficult.
- [48:06]
John Middelkoff
So that was now come today that.
- [48:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I didn't see coming. And at one point in time, I mean, the Steelers are up like 20 to 9. You can tell me about all you want about the yards, but I mean, Steelers are in full control now. You know, do I agree with the. The overturn touchdown call? Unlikely. Like, I do think we've gotten to a point in basketball and football that like we know what a catch is when we see it. Like, that's a catch, that's a touchdown. No different than in basketball when two guys are touching the ball.
- [48:35]
John Middelkoff
In the history of the sport, we.
- [48:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Always knew who it went off on.
- [48:38]
John Middelkoff
And now it's like slow play replay. It actually went off. His, the, the extension of his cuticles, this piece of skin that's hanging off.
- [48:47]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It's like, what are we doing?
- [48:48]
John Middelkoff
But it is what it is and didn't count.
- [48:50]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And then John Harbaugh, you know, when.
- [48:54]
John Middelkoff
He kicked a field goal, what was the score? 22 to 29.
- [48:59]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I can't even trying to think off the top of my head now. Let me pull this up because he.
- [49:04]
John Middelkoff
Kicked a field goal late in the.
- [49:06]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Game and it was like, john, what are you doing? It's.
- [49:10]
John Middelkoff
It's 27, 29. So they're down 8, he's on the 18 yard line and it's 4th and 8 now. Their offense had been pretty shitty.
- [49:25]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It just, it was hard to trust Lamar to just pull a play out of his ass like over the last couple of years. To me, if Lamar is playing like MVP status, I think you go for it. You know, you don't even hesitate.
- [49:38]
John Middelkoff
I can imagine him kind of weighing it a little bit. But fourth and eight with seven minutes to go.
- [49:45]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You're at the 18 yard line. I don't know, I mean, I think, I think you go for it there. But he kicks the field goal to make it a five point game, which is a buddy text me. You just don't see that anymore because the analytics, the front office, the ownership's.
- [50:01]
John Middelkoff
Like, go for it.
- [50:03]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Which I'm cool with now too. Like, let's go for it.
- [50:05]
John Middelkoff
And he rolls out and remember, Harbaugh.
- [50:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Was at the forefront of the movement.
- [50:10]
John Middelkoff
So when you see him roll out the kicker, you're like, Harbaugh kind of going full puss here. Yeah, he did.
- [50:15]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And then obviously that was the final score of the game. 27, 22.
- [50:22]
The Bills were legitimately in major trouble.
- [50:26]
John Middelkoff
It was 28 to 25, Cincinnati, and.
- [50:29]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
The Bengals were driving.
- [50:30]
John Middelkoff
And it felt like Joe Burrow, who just missed the majority of the season, just shows back up, is like, yeah, I'm just one of the best players in the league. And, oh, in a snow game, I'm.
- [50:40]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Going to dominate the Buffalo Bills.
- [50:41]
John Middelkoff
I'm going to throw at one point in time. It's like, it's going to throw for five touchdowns. He's driving them right down the field. You're like, is this how, like this Josh Allen, Sean McDermott era is going to end with Burrow doing it to him in Buffalo?
- [50:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Then Burrow throws the pass, dude goes the other way, flips like that. Then the very next pass, he throws another pick. And Buffalo season is legitimately saved. Buffalo wasn't just in major trouble. They felt dead. It felt like he was putting a knife in him and stabbing him over and over again until those two plays.
- [51:15]
John Middelkoff
And what's crazy is I. I think.
- [51:17]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Burrow, just like Josh, my takeaway from that game is like, these are two best quarterbacks in the league right now.
- [51:22]
John Middelkoff
I'm not talking big picture. I'm not talking over the last five years. I'm just saying today, in this league, like those two guys, the way I just watched and I've watched football and all these games all season long, like I do every year, doesn't get any better than that.
- [51:35]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And I'd argue Burrows like, Jesus, guy looks good.
- [51:39]
John Middelkoff
He missed all this time. He just comes back. He's this good with his turf toe. How's this even possible? T. Higgins looks like Calvin Johnson out there. T. Higgins, I'm watching it because I was kind of critical. Like, you're going to invest that much in two wide receivers and then you're watching T. Higgins just. Moss dudes make plays.
- [51:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I mean, just make the one hand.
- [51:57]
John Middelkoff
A touchdown catch at the end of.
- [51:59]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
The game, which almost felt like since.
- [52:00]
John Middelkoff
His dad was going to get back in the game, this guy's a beast.
- [52:03]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And.
- [52:05]
John Middelkoff
And, yeah, but those two plays. And listen, you can play a great.
- [52:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Game as a quarterback, but if you.
- [52:09]
John Middelkoff
Throw two picks and one of them is a pick six, like, in a weird way, you kind of lose the game for your team, even though you clearly were the reason your team was winning. But that's the way football goes. It's why coaches, it's why coordinators, it's why players talk about turnovers.
- [52:25]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Turnover margin.
- [52:27]
John Middelkoff
We've been hearing it since the beginning of the sport. Turnovers. We got to win the turnover. We cannot turn the ball over. You definitely can't turn the ball over in the second half on the road against a Hall of Fame quarterback. And that's what they did. And it bit him directly in the.
- [52:39]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Ass with taking out a chunk of skin.
- [52:42]
John Middelkoff
And for a split second, you start doing the math, you're like, did Cincinnati.
- [52:47]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Run the table here?
- [52:48]
John Middelkoff
Like, I think they could. And then all of a sudden those two passes happen and you're like, this thing's kind of over. And you're like, well, they're not going.
- [52:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
To run the table.
- [52:56]
John Middelkoff
And the Bills are alive, and that's how fast it happens.
- [52:58]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Now, big picture with the Bills.
- [53:02]
You know, like I said with the Texans, you can't win the super bowl when your offense is just that unreliable. I would say the same thing with the Bills. You cannot win the super bowl when your defense is that unreliable. I don't care if your quarterback on any given game can score five or six touchdowns in every way possible and just turn into superhuman player. It's not possible to win games in the playoffs with your defense looking like that. And their defense just isn't good. And I get it, you know, Higgins and Chase, even though I don't even know what Chase's final numbers were today, but their offense with those two guys is better than most. But I think we've seen enough of this team to know that they're just not a reliable unit. I mean, Burrow threw for 270 yards, four touchdowns. Higgins at 6 for 90, Gasecki at 6 for 80. They actually did a pretty good job on Jamar. He only had 5 for 44. But I just. You watch this unit and you just. They're not talented enough.
- [54:02]
And it's kind of sad. If you're a Bills fan now, I think what you hope is just get us in the dance. It's going to be hard for us to win the division. We're going to need the Patriots to blow a game here, and then we're going to have to take. Take them down when we play them. But, like, why can't Josh be superhuman for a couple of games?
- [54:17]
John Middelkoff
The answer is he can.
- [54:19]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
But your margin for error in these games, even when he's superhuman, is like, you need the other quarterback to throw a pick with a guy right in front of his face. Which that just doesn't happen that often.
- [54:30]
John Middelkoff
Now in these snowy games.
- [54:32]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You know, clearly the ball was kind.
- [54:33]
John Middelkoff
Of slipping out of Burrows hands and.
- [54:34]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
He tried to push it. Don't blame him. I mean obviously if he could do it over he just would have ate it and just hit the ground. But it's easy to say that after the dudes running around running the other way. Burrow tried to tackle him and he went right through it.
- [54:48]
John Middelkoff
But that game like listen, I I.
- [54:51]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Enjoy like the Bears packers where every yard matters, every first down is contested. Don't get me wrong, Cincinnati Buffalo was extremely entertaining and I will watch two great quarterbacks any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
- [55:05]
John Middelkoff
But like the style of football I prefer is.
- [55:08]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You know what we saw in the Bears packers game? The physicality.
- [55:12]
John Middelkoff
Even Texas Chiefs.
- [55:14]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You tell me it's terrible offense, but.
- [55:15]
John Middelkoff
I like watching people get crushed.
- [55:18]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I like football for its physicality and its defensive prowess and that was definitely not taking place in the Bills Bengal game.
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- [59:34]
Let's just go rapid fire on some stories.
- [59:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Listen, I've talked a lot of shit now. I don't think I've made it up. It's all been based off what we've seen, right? I mean, he hasn't played well. He was being compared to Jamarcus Russell.
- [59:49]
John Middelkoff
Statistically, but he threw three touchdowns a day.
- [59:53]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I kind of stopped paying attention in the second half, but he made he.
- [59:56]
John Middelkoff
Made a nice pass on like a deep out route.
- [59:59]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I remember, I think they were up like 14 nothing and thinking like that's.
- [60:02]
John Middelkoff
That'S just a high level NFL pass and we got a long way to go. Washington's not any good. But if you can just build and just have some games where you throw some touchdowns, you make progress at this point in time, people would be happy.
- [60:17]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And when I mean people, I mean.
- [60:18]
John Middelkoff
The fans, because clearly it had hit a low point. You have a game like today, throw a couple touchdowns even if your numbers aren't great, 16 to 23 for 160, 60 yards, but you just, you just make some explosive plays.
- [60:32]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
That, that's all people want, just have some positive plays.
- [60:35]
John Middelkoff
So hat tip to JJ McCarthy who kind of found himself on the mat.
- [60:40]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Drug himself up and had a positive day.
- [60:43]
John Middelkoff
Shador, he made the Judy pass today.
- [60:49]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And I understand Judy beats the coverage and is open, but in a game.
- [60:53]
John Middelkoff
In the elements, to drive that pass.
- [60:56]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Was like Dylan Gabriel doesn't do this.
- [60:58]
John Middelkoff
He made a beautiful touchdown pass in.
- [61:00]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
A Joku in the corner of the end zone. He had an awful interception as well that kind of scrambled around, just threw it up in the middle of the field.
- [61:09]
John Middelkoff
But one thing he has clearly given.
- [61:11]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Them is just explosive plays. And at this point in time, I haven't seen any Stefanski's quotes after the game. I know social media is just absolutely destroying him for the two point play at the end of the game to try to tie it where he ran like a. What would it be considered a wildcat end around. I guess that Junkins never gives up.
- [61:34]
John Middelkoff
The ball though if he had it would have scored.
- [61:37]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
But I think people rightfully so. It's like why are we out thinking the room here, your quarterbacks making plays. Just, just let them keep it. Granted, if Shador hadn't played in that game, I know for myself and most of you listening, unless you're a Browns or Titans fan, wouldn't have watched one.
- [61:51]
John Middelkoff
Second of that thing.
- [61:53]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Cam Ward is kind of a disaster. I mean the Titans are a disaster. Place place a nightmare. The Browns are even a bigger disaster. I mean for a team that gets talked about a lot. Holy shit. Do they always lose?
- [62:04]
John Middelkoff
I mean they just lose every single week. If I hear one more time how.
- [62:10]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Good their players are, almost talent they have.
- [62:11]
John Middelkoff
Well then what's wrong?
- [62:13]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Is Stefanski, who all I hear is get a job immediately.
- [62:16]
John Middelkoff
He will. Team 3 and 10, he just lost to the Titans at home. I mean, watch the Titans at home.
- [62:24]
They have a player with 20 sacks the quarterback threw three touchdowns today. They lost the Titans. I mean listen I nice guy, met him once. Cool to me in the brief interaction but I think we got to acknowledge like Stefanski if, if he got fired he'd get a job immediately.
- [62:41]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
He would.
- [62:43]
John Middelkoff
The other fan base would be fired up for that one if we did like the college role reversal. Not sure about that one. The story that came out this weekend was a little weird with Sean Watson.
- [62:57]
I haven't quite not that I spent that much time thinking about it but why would everyone the rap sheets and the shifters be putting out that not only is Watson coming back which financially like they are in a predicament that they gave the guy hundreds of millions.
- [63:11]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Of dollars guaranteed so you can't just.
- [63:13]
John Middelkoff
Cut them and eat this enormous dead cap. The UFL wouldn't trade for him but.
- [63:20]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You know, I don't know. I just, I don't even, I don't.
- [63:24]
John Middelkoff
Even know what to say like you.
- [63:26]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Can'T bring him back. I saw someone that covers the NFL is like if you did bring him back and make him your starting quarterback that would be the worst decision in the history of the league. I was like yeah, I kind of agree.
- [63:36]
He never even played like Shador.
- [63:38]
John Middelkoff
I mean did he ever have one.
- [63:40]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Game in his Browns career that they threw for 360 yards and three touchdowns? I don't think he did. So I mean he looked objectively terrible. Now he's coming off an Achilles. You're going to bring him back. I some something was fishy with that story.
- [63:53]
John Middelkoff
I, I, I didn't spend that much time trying to figure out the angle like who's benefiting from this. Are the Browns trying to mess with Shador? Like I don't would they why would they do that? Is is Mogeta trying to put pressure on the Browns? I like how that I can't even it's hard to even figure out where does this thing even start. Who even has this idea to like let's we want Deshaun Watson back. But it happened and it was a story. Another story was.
- [64:23]
Daniel Jones tore his.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Achilles today and you know I, I I threw out on the the everything app X that shocking that a guy with a broken leg got injured.
- [64:37]
I respect his toughness but you think.
- [64:40]
John Middelkoff
Someone would have stepped up like yeah it's probably not a good idea.
- [64:42]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And then you just seen these people.
- [64:44]
John Middelkoff
It's his other leg and it's a non contact guys when you have an.
- [64:51]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Injury think of basketball players. Klay Thompson tore his acl.
- [64:55]
John Middelkoff
What did you do the next year.
- [64:56]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
When he was playing pickup?
- [64:58]
John Middelkoff
Before he'd even fully rehabbed the acl, he tore his Achilles.
- [65:02]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It happens to a lot of explosive athletes like Derrick Rose did it all the time because you overcompensate on one side of your body for the other side and it creates an injury.
- [65:13]
John Middelkoff
What do you think happened over the.
- [65:14]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Last several weeks when you are playing on a broken leg?
- [65:19]
John Middelkoff
Do you think.
- [65:19]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
And listen, I'm no body, you know, understanding the equilibrium of the movements of the mechanisms of all your joints and everything.
- [65:29]
John Middelkoff
But if you tell me you have.
- [65:30]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
A broken leg, the pressure of your steps, especially if you're playing something like football and driving off stuff and pedaling into 3, 5, 7 step drops, rolling out, you're probably putting a different amount of pressure than you normally would with a non broken leg.
- [65:48]
John Middelkoff
So again, no doctor just went to a couple California state schools. Shout out.
- [65:54]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Cal Poly is new coach Tim Skipper, who's getting introduced on Monday morning, fired up for you, buddy. But you can't tell me that that didn't play somewhat of a part into this whole thing. Do I think his Achilles injury is just completely random? I don't. I think that the broken leg, them throwing him out there was just. Listen, the Colts would have been screwed if he had torn his Achilles or he had not. They were going to lose that game no matter what. But now this disaster, like they're not winning another game. They got, you know, Anthony Richardson. I looked up on Riley Leonard's out there, the Notre Dame quarterback, and I'm thinking where's Anthony Richardson? And turns out he's still on injured reserve. Obviously Sauce Gardner is injured. This thing is a mess, an absolute mess.
- [66:40]
John Middelkoff
And while the jets did lose today by multiple touchdowns, anytime you have other.
- [66:45]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Teams first round picks, they probably got a lot of joy out of seeing the Cowboys lose and out of seeing the Colts lose. And there's a decent chance at 8 and 5. The Colts finish 8, 9.
- [66:57]
I was gonna, we've been going now for a while and it's pretty late but so I'll just, I'll get more into this throughout the week. My two things on college football are this. First, I'm a small school guy.
- [67:09]
John Middelkoff
I, I didn't go to Oregon, I.
- [67:11]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Didn'T go to usc. I, I didn't go to Texas. I went to cal poly or D1, double A. And then I, after that I went to Fresno State, which is obviously not a power four school and considered the group of five.
- [67:26]
John Middelkoff
So don't get Me wrong.
- [67:27]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I have a lot of respect and I worked with a program at Cal.
- [67:29]
John Middelkoff
Poly and obviously I worked at Fresno State.
- [67:32]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I have a ton of respect for people at those levels.
- [67:34]
John Middelkoff
It is.
- [67:36]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I've worked in the NFL. People take football just as seriously when I was at Fresno State as they did in the NFL. They work similar hours, players train as hard, everyone cares.
- [67:45]
John Middelkoff
But there is a different level of talent. And I think one big part of.
- [67:49]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
The conversation today with college football was.
- [67:52]
John Middelkoff
Notre Dame, Alabama, Miami, Miami beat Notre Dame. Alabama's not as good. All that. And I think that was the conversation was like, I think they tell you.
- [68:02]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
This a lot sometimes with politics when.
- [68:04]
John Middelkoff
These crazy stories are trying to get.
- [68:05]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
You to look over here instead of just see what's actually going on.
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John Middelkoff
And I felt like that what was.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Kind of happening with college football today.
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John Middelkoff
It'S like, guys, are you looking at the 12 teams? Do you see number 11 and 12? There are, regardless the order or how good is this team or is Alabama? I know those 10 teams have nothing in common with those teams. 11 and 12. Why are we having a college football.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Playoff and inviting the little guy?
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John Middelkoff
They do not belong. And a simple fix for this is Division one Double A. Where I grew up, Davis, California is UC Davis.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
It's a school.
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John Middelkoff
They're now in the Elite Eight. They're hosting the Elite eight game this.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Weekend against like Rhode island.
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John Middelkoff
They played the D1 double A playoffs, the division that North Dakota State, South.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Dakota State and Montana and Montana State have dominated forever. Right?
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John Middelkoff
They have their own playoffs.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They start like two weeks ago and they play another couple weeks.
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John Middelkoff
It's just their own little division.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They play each other.
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John Middelkoff
Why can't we do that with the other two levels, the power four, ACC, SEC, Big Ten and Big Ten ACE.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Oh, Big 12.
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And those teams, right.
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John Middelkoff
So instead of Tulane and JMU, it just would have been Notre Dame and Texas. Right? Because. And then the power, the power five would have Boise states, JMU's two lanes. Whoever, whoever the 12 best or 16 best teams and just do it that way because the entire issue. And I think, and I mentioned this to Coward, I do think when they originally set it up, they didn't want to get sued if they did not give them an automatic seat at the table. Right? Because they basically just said the highest.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Rated power or power five.
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John Middelkoff
It's even fucking hard to say. You know, I. It's D1 double A. It's his own thing. It's like Tulane has nothing in common with any. We saw them play Ole miss they lost 45 to 10. And I was texting with a buddy in the NFL that knows John Summerall very well and loves him, thinks he's really good. I watched them play on Friday night. They're pretty good.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They should be in this tournament.
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John Middelkoff
JMU has as much business in this tournament as me and you do. What are we doing? They're a 21.5-point underdog at Oregon. If Oregon tries, they can lose by 50. Their head coach, when they fly back to James Madison, will not even get on the plane because he's going to ucla.
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And I think this whole thing could have been avoided.
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I don't blame them, the situation they're in. But moving forward, they shouldn't be included. I know we're big on equality and giving everyone a seat at the table. Not in this world. There's a reason we, you know, judge Costco and Walmart different than, like, the local Mini Mart. I can buy a hot dog and beer at both. We don't discuss them the same financially.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Like, what are we talking about?
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John Middelkoff
And I also think the Notre Dame.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Thing.
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I'll get into the Notre Dame Miami prize. I'm sure we'll be asked about as the week goes on, but I'm gonna end on this.
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I get they're very emotional and they think ESPN messed with them. They're a huge brand. They're kind of like the Cowboys or Lakers.
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But to decline the bowl game against byu.
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John Middelkoff
I get it.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
If you're an athletic department like the.
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John Middelkoff
Ad.
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Your university is making so much.
- [71:31]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Money, you're like, you don't.
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John Middelkoff
But from a football standpoint, if Marcus Freeman was like one, like 100%, hand in hand, arm in arm, on board.
- [71:43]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
With this decision and didn't push back anymore, I've lost a lot of respect. Because a huge part of the bowl.
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John Middelkoff
Week is one, even if the Jeremiah.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Loves of the team don't play in.
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John Middelkoff
The bowl game, who cares? You can play freshmen who haven't played because you don't burn your red shirt year. You get extra practices leading up to the bowl week. This notion I've heard, well, they want to get ready for the portal. You can do both at the same time, especially if it's kind of a throwaway game, just working on your younger players. There is not a coach I've ever been around that would give up practices and the opportunity to rep it on the field. They got left out. Yeah, it happened. It fucking sucks. And we saw what happened to Florida State. They've never recovered. Two years later, now, Notre Dame is not going to be in that position. But to throw away especially, I would somewhat get it if you told me.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They were playing like San Diego State.
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John Middelkoff
Or something, which they never would. They.
- [72:41]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
They always play a good opponent.
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John Middelkoff
But to utilize that time to just. You're going to have new starters next year, and I would imagine several are already on the roster. Young players that don't start now. You could just start them in that game against a program, byu, that I promise you will take it really seriously. It's an incredible time to like, it's almost like a pseudo spring game. But they let their emotions, they let this situation.
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I would say, cloud their.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Judgment and make an awful decision.
- [73:15]
John Middelkoff
And it's usually why coaches, after a game, when they go to the press.
- [73:18]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Conference, like, take 20 minutes, take some deep breaths before you go, talk to the press, help slam, slam a beer, right?
- [73:25]
John Middelkoff
But sometimes if you're in an argument with your wife, someone you work with, sometimes it helps.
- [73:29]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Hey, let's just sleep on it. Let's take a deep breath.
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John Middelkoff
And I think Notre Dame should have done that because they declined this and they've known all week that, hey, if.
- [73:39]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
We do get, you know, denied from the playoff, what are we going to do? So if you tell me they've.
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John Middelkoff
And I'm sure Bruce Feldman or someone's.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Going to write this story, that they made this decision a couple days ago, I think they're fucking idiots.
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John Middelkoff
And I'm not talking about being like crybabies and all that stuff. Yeah, obviously that's true. But just from an on the field to improve at your craft, something that, like, you guys haven't won a national championship. Hell, you were close last year. Clearly weren't close enough this year. But, like, this is pretty valuable. Like, there are strict rules, how often you can practice, how often you can play, what you can do in the spring. You're given an incredible opportunity to get more reps, even if you're pissed off.
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And they chose not to do it. And I just think it's.
- [74:26]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I don't know, it's kind of arrogant, pompous.
- [74:29]
John Middelkoff
They kind of live in their own little world. We all know some of those people, it's like they lost touch with reality. And you'd be like, well, John, other schools did it. Well, yeah, some of them don't have coaches. Iowa State just lost their coach, like, two days ago. They just hired a guy from Washington State. Like, maybe they don't even know, like.
- [74:44]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
What the hell's going on.
- [74:45]
John Middelkoff
I'd argue they should do it too, same thing, you know, Kansas State, I.
- [74:49]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Don'T even know what their record was.
- [74:50]
John Middelkoff
But if it was bull eligible, I.
- [74:51]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Think I read they declined it too.
- [74:53]
John Middelkoff
I would never decline it. I never would, no matter how complicated it is. But especially in Notre Dame situation where it's like, it's not like they get a new coach not to get new players. Like, yeah, they're pissed off, it sucks. But to decline the bull invite. Say this about Florida State, when they went 13 and oh and were denied 13 and out. Now, I thought it was justified because their quarterback situation, they still went to the fucking bowl. Now they got the brakes beat in by George, but they still tried. Like, what a joke, right? Like what, What's Notre Dame's argument? Well, you just got toyed by espn. Like you were given the chance of Miami. You lost the game. It'd be one thing if they had won that game and got left out. I'd argue if Miami had been left out and they did this, I'd be like, I kind of understand, like they actually won the game. Like, what's the point of the games? Notre Dame does not have the right.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
To do that, to make that argument.
- [75:45]
John Middelkoff
And I think just quitting on the bowl as a team, as a program, I, I get it as individuals, hell, I get it as coaches, but I.
- [75:55]
John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
Don'T understand it from a program standpoint about improving.
- [75:59]
John Middelkoff
I mean, how many like four and five star guys they have on their roster that just could benefit from the reps and Marcus Freeman and Bavakwa. The ad is like, yeah, we're just, we'll just quit here December 7th and we'll see August 31st. Cool guys. Well, before we get out of here, I always forget this, Ben.
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John (Three and Out Podcast Host)
I said I was going to go quick and we're an hour in. I think I'm going tomorrow. Harbaugh, home dog.
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We'll see. I mean, it's a little risky because because of Herbert's physical situation and his, you know, how bad is it? Does it look like Rogers? I guess we'll find out on Monday night. But I'm taking the Chargers money line and my, my two, I'm going to go a little anytime parlay. Listen, this has got AJ Brown scoring a touchdown written. You got Sirianni in the meetings pounding the table, getting more vocal. I got A.J. brown scoring a touchdown written all over this game. And the Chargers first round running back o' Marion Hampton is back. You know, Harbaugh likes to run the ball. Jalen Carter is out. I like especially now Herbert with the broken hand. You're not going to do like quarterback sneaks by the goal line. So I'm going to go Chargers to win. AJ Brown Anytime Touchdown and Hampton Anytime Touchdown pays a little ten to one Friends of Hard Rock Bet. Have a great night. Adios.
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