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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Reaction to Jalen Hurts & Eagles HUGE SNF win vs. Jared Goff & Lions + NFL Week 11
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The volume. What is going on everybody? John Middlecoff 3Now podcast hopefully everyone is doing well. Doing great, doing better than Goff and the Lions and Dan Campbell who gets who get beat in Philadelphia and go forward about 50 times on fourth down. Don't get any of them. We will dive into that game lot a lot happened today. We'll dive into the Rams, Seattle, Denver against Patrick Mahomes, my guy Kevin O' Connell who just refuses to make it easy on JJ McCarthy who's obviously not good some some scouting from the couch because I watched a lot of college football on Saturday so a couple takes we will dive into that as well and yeah, that'll be the plan. So I went on with Colin after the afternoon games. We're firing this off after the Sunday night game and we'll be live we'll have a podcast after the the Monday night game. So we're just we're just firing here. These are the dog days of football and fired up for Raiders cowboys. But we'll have content all week. Thanksgiving's right around the corner so get ready to to eat some turkey. But you guys know the drill. Make sure you subscribe wherever you listen. We're on Apple, Spotify, any podcast, any place you listen to podcasts. We have you covered as well as YouTube. You'll never miss a live as long as you subscribe. There takes on a couple guys that I that I watched from Saturday. But before we dive into some football, I do need to tell you about my friends at @zone and this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is addictive chemical, underage Sale prohibited If you're as competitive as I am and you're always looking for something to help you stay dialed in and for me that thing is Zone nicotine pouches. You won't catch me without a can. Right now it's mint. I need to get some I Went. I've been looking for my citrus flavors, but I can't find them. They don't have them at a couple of chevrons by me. So I might have to go on a. A mission tomorrow. Not to mention 20 pouches per can versus the 15 for the other guys. Choose zone and dominate the day. Use the promo code number three and out 20 on Nico kick.com for 20% off at checkout. I was thinking about this. I actually was thinking about this yesterday. I was like, I need some, like, just consistent advice to give people and something that just could be universal. And I was like, you know, one thing that really benefited me and it was kind of luck, right? It happened to be, like, a guy my dad worked for, my buddy's grandpa and my buddy's dad, like, people that really, really influenced me as a kid, I just think had big balls. And those were type people I've always admired in life. And, you know, I've worked for people that just kind of had some nuts on them and were not scared. And I think the more you surround yourself with people like that in life, the more prepared you are for the real world. And I've been. I've been very fortunate and very lucky, and I always gravitate toward those type people, and Dan Campbell obviously falls under that category. But I also think there is a line of, like, having stones and being reckless. And I think there is a fine line, and sometimes people jump over that line if. And get themselves in trouble. I've been guilty of that. I'm sure you have as well, whether it's personally, whether it's financially, whether it's in a job situation. And I think you watch Dan Campbell tonight, and I don't think there's any way around it, like, he was reckless. Going forward on fourth down is something that is supported in football now, and most of us are behind it. I've always said most people on their couch in the 90s, in the 2000s, back when football was much more conservative in terms of, like, kicking field goals or punting, we're screaming at the television, go for it. So in this new world of analytics, where the numbers are on the side of, you know, telling the. The offensive coordinators or head coaches to lean, be aggressive, that, like, the fans are on board. But there's also a line of, like, this is a defensive game and sometimes field position in a game that is 6 to 6 or 13 to 6, you don't need to always go forward on fourth down, right? You don't always need to go for two, right? In a game that kicking the extra points are ultimately going to be the difference at the end. And I think you watched tonight and you went, dan, this is not 2024. When you were playing the Green Bay packers and the video of you on Wednesday, because I think Hard Knocks in Season was documenting you went really viral and you basically put it all on the offense because you had a bunch of defensive injuries and you said, it's all on us. We're going to go for it every time. And everyone understood you had to. You were playing me, the dude down the street, and your mother at linebacker and db. Totally understand. Tonight you're playing the Philadelphia Eagles, whose offense is atrocious. I think if you gave A.J. brown the opportunity and you said, A.J. we'll still pay you. You don't have to play for this team. He'd be like, well, can I play for another team? You can't, but you just don't have to play for this team anymore. I think he'd be like, cool, I'm done for the year. I'm over this. No one feels less interested than A.J. brown in what they got going on. The Eagles offense is atrocious to watch. It is awful. They have no passing game. Their run game because of offensive line injuries sucks. I mean, Saquon struggling to average 3 yards of carry because there's nowhere for him to go. All the metrics, you know, are proving that he's getting hit behind the line of scrimmage. He's got nowhere to go. Their offense is awful to watch, but that's who you're playing. You're not playing Brett Favre. If you're not playing Aaron Rodgers, you're not playing the Eagles of last year. You're playing this Eagles team that was had no chance to get to 20 points. So sometimes punting the ball or wait for it, kicking field goals when your field goal kicker looks pretty good to me, makes some sense. And he had a stretch in the third quarter where he went for it three times on fourth down. None of them did. He did. He accomplished his goal when he said, go for it, guys. And then twice he essentially forced three and outs for the Eagles and got the ball right back. Here's the other thing, and I've said this all the time, like on the conversation, when it comes to going for two or situations late in game, I do think you have to factor in always who you're playing and how your offense is doing. And tonight Jared Goff, and I've said this forever, I'm Born and raised in California. I'm 40, just turned 41amonth ago. Of those 41 years of my life, I think if I did the math, 34 or 35 of them were spent either in San Luis Obispo, Fresno, or Davis, California, Slash the Bay Area. The overwhelming majority of my life was on the. In California, on the west coast, and now I live in Scottsdale. We do not do well in cold weather. I lived in Philadelphia for a couple years. I hated it. I couldn't stand it. You know why? The way my body and the, the. The. The temperature of my blood does not deal with it. Why I'm not accustomed to it. When I grew up, if I wanted to go to cold weather, we got in a car and we drove two and a half hours to Lake Tahoe. And when we were over it, we left. So when I see Jared Goff wearing two gloves in that environment. I lived in Philly for two years. I've been to some games that were really, really cold. One time, I think my first year working for the Eagles, we played the Minnesota Vikings with Brett Favre. Actually, I think he had gotten injured. So their backup quarterback, God, I forget his name, he's like a former wide receiver. He's like this hybrid player, wasn't very good, even though he beat us. The Sunday night game got delayed by two nights. It was played on Tuesday because of, like a sleet hurricane. It was. Everything was frozen. And tonight wasn't that. It was windy, it was cold. Jared Goff had to wear two gloves. I'm like, this is not going to work. He looked extremely uncomfortable. Now, part of that, and we'll get into it, is Vic Fangio and the defense, which looks dominant right now, but you could tell early that Jared Goff wanted no part of this cold because guess what? Most people from warm weather don't like the cold. You'd be like, well, John, he lives in Detroit. They play in a dome. They don't play in the. In inclement weather. No different than Minnesota. It's freezing. But they don't do that. That's not how they play right now. If you play at Kansas City or in Baltimore and Pittsburgh, you don't have a choice. You have to play outside. But given where they play, like, he's in a controlled environment. So his entire career is Cal, which, you know can be overcast and a little misty, but it sure as hell ain't 30 degrees. And then he went to LA, and now he's playing in a dome. So when you put him outdoors it doesn't look the same and I'm a Jared Goff fan, but I've always said, like, I understand the California guys, especially the west coast players, when you put them in weather, it can get ugly and it can get ugly really fast. So the head coach has to know this. So this notion of, like, Sean Payton taught me to be ballsy and be, not be conservative, like, Bill Parcell's all for it, totally on board. But you could tell early, like, this ain't a good idea, Dan. Just kick a couple field goals because you never know. Jalen could throw it to you, Jalen could fumble, something weird could happen. But instead of being down 13, 6, what if you're down 13 to 12 or 16 to 12 and just put yourself and give yourself some momentum. But every time you go for it on fourth down and tonight, it didn't even feel remotely close. And one thing you're clearly missing, which is no one's fault, he's just injured, is Sam Laporta, who would obviously be pretty valuable on some of these fourth and fours or fourth and fives. But then as the game went on, you start punting in the fourth quarter, it's like, why are you punting now? What the fuck is going on? And the answer is I, you know, I think he just naturally goes for it. And then he realized his quarterback, like we all realize, is not on and playing the worst game, what feels like of the last several years. And then he changes course in the fourth quarter. You can't do that. You cannot do that. I thought Dan Campbell was atrocious tonight. Really. And I am a Dan Campbell fan. I, I have, I have. I revere the guy for what he has done in that franchise, which was a laughingstock, which was a joke and turned them into a winning place. But tonight, like, it just wasn't good. It wasn't because of the decisions. I'm not, I'm not like nitpicking the place, right? One play on fourth down to St. Brown, who wasn't open one play up the gut to Gibbs. Like, I'm not going to fault you for giving the ball to Gibbs. It's so easy to play Monday morning quarterback on an individual play call. I'm more, I more have an issue with the ultimate decision of like, just take the points here, just take a deep breath and take the points. Give your quarterback, like, that's a positive drive that was successful instead of just like handing the ball back to Philadelphia, especially when your defense is going to force three plays and get the ball Right back, it made no sense. He approached tonight and I said this earlier like they were playing the Philadelphia Eagles team that they were playing no different than they were playing the Green Bay packers last year when he told the team that we're going to go for it every time. Which. Why would you have that mindset and that game plan against a team whose offense just the previous week scored 10 points? Their offense is broken. It's not working. You can use that to your advantage, keep it low scoring and give yourself a chance in the fourth quarter. And tonight, technically he did. I mean, the referees at the end of the game calling that penalty on, on the Lions corner, the temple kid against A.J. brown is an embarrassment. But like the officials oftentimes are a joke. My only issue, and I'm someone that had the Lions tonight, it's hard for me, like, obviously that was a bad call at the end of the game, like that shouldn't happen. But I almost feel like I did with Seattle. Like you, you have no business winning this game. You don't deserve to win this game. You honestly deserve to lose. And I listen, I, I'll give Dan Campbell the benefit of doubt as an overall play caller. Tough environment. His quarterback is just crumbling like a cookie. He's playing arguably the best defensive coordinator whose defense looks fantastic. It's going to be a tough spot. But the decisions on fourth down, I don't care what nerds over the next 24 hours be like, that's the right decision. No, not tonight, under no circumstances is the right decision. It's the wrong decision. And it just, it had a huge, huge impact on the Lions tonight. And if they're going to be in situations which Chicago Bears who are currently in first place, congrats to Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, who again are in first place in the middle of November. Remember last year, we're about a week away from when Eberfluss blew the end of the game on Thanksgiving. So the Bears have come a long way in a short period of time. Now, do I think they're ultimately going to win the division? I'd be a little surprised, but at this point in time, who knows? But I do know this, that the Lions feel much more likely to be playing in a wild card game on the road. In Philadelphia, in Seattle, in Tampa. Now, depending on it could be the Rams. The weather might or might not be a factor. Who knows at Philadelphia that he's going to have to rethink some of this with his quarterback, even if laporta is back. Guys got two gloves he just looks cold. You know, when you see an individual like some people. You ever watch Big Dom with the Eagles? Regardless of the weather, he won't have long sleeves on. Completely unfaced. Like, whether it's 20 degrees or 70 degrees, Big Dom looks the same. Yet you look at Jared Goff, that thing gets below about 55. You're like, God, I just start, like, do, do I need to put on a sweatshirt? He's making me feel cold. So rough. Rough night for Dan Campbell, even though his defense was playing pretty well. And props to Kelvin Shepard, who's done an excellent job on defense. And speaking of defense, it doesn't feel like we're that far removed from going, God, I don't think the Eagles defense is very good. Like, we've known, like this year. The Eagles offense has had issues. AJ Brown isn't even hiding it. He despises everything about the offense, the play calling. Don't think he likes the quarterback. He's just over it. And he will be traded in about three and a half months. But right now he's on the team. And clearly Saquon, who is the opposite, like, total team guy, there's just nowhere for him to go. I mean, he struggled to average 3 yards a carry tonight. Their interior offensive line is not good. I mean, I mean, they got. They got stuff tonight on a tush push. Not like it was his next. Like they got pushed the other way because their guard, center, guard is just not even remotely close to what it was last year. Part of that's injuries and the losing Beckton to the Chargers, who's hurt this year, too, but they're just not the same, right? So you watch the Eagles, you go, how is this team this good? And the answer of the last couple of weeks is their defense looks dominant. And we talked about, you know, edge pressure and what they were going to do and how he addressed that with Jalen Phillips, and he looked fantastic tonight. And there's a domino effect when you have a deep defensive line. It makes it easier on everybody. And ever since Jalen Phillips these last two games, like, I. You feel Jalen Carter more, you feel Jordan Davis more. Nicobi Dean, who got injured last year, is back. Their linebacking core with him, with Campbell and I don't know, the guy who was an all Pro last year is fantastic. So now you go, do the Eagles have one of the best front sevens in the NFL? And the answer is yes. And then you also factor in that they have, I don't know, a top three corner in the NFL, they obviously, Jair just retired or whatever, but they trade for the dude from the Jets. They have a bunch of other guys they can just rotate through on top of Cooper De G. They do have. Most teams have. If you have one high end corner, you're ahead of the game. So they got a high end corner. They have a good slot recorder. They just have to figure it out at the other position, which. Welcome to the NFL. That's the way it works. They have solid safety play. And the defense these last two weeks looks like he's got a chance to carry them, which is fine. Their offense was a huge reason that they were a dominant team last year. At any moment, saquon could take 150 or 60. AJ and Devonte, when they were both on the field, were unstoppable forces. That's not the case this year, right? It's just not. Eagles fans know it. Even if you're like, don't hate on Jalen. Hurts, you have to acknowledge it doesn't look right. But who cares? If you're going to have a defense like that, just ask the Denver Broncos. Yeah, our offense been shitty the majority of the year. We're after we play the Commanders and the Raiders. We're about to be 11 and 2. We apologize to nobody. And if I'm an Eagles fan, I go, yeah, whatever. This is why we give Vic Fangio 5, $6 million a year. This is why we got Harry Roseman wheeling and dealing. Because now we'll just. We'll win it on defense and you start looking around the NFC and we'll get into Seattle and the Rams for a little bit. It's like, yeah, we'll take our chance with our defense against any team Sam Donald want to roll into here. We like our shot. Matt Stafford, he'd be tough. He is 38 years old and we think we can hit him, right? Jordan Love, you saw how that went. Jared Goff, you saw how that went. Well, those guys are better than Caleb. So. So now Caleb breaks a lot of tackles. We'll see him in a couple of weeks on. On Black Friday. We'll take. We'll take our chances on that one, too. The 49ers, offensively, that bill, you know, be a good matchup. But defensively, if we can't score 15 points against them, then we got bigger issues. So I think if you're the Eagles right now with Vic Fangio, you feel really, really good. Because offensively, like, it is what it is. Like, your offense isn't going to be good. This year you're going to make some big plays. Maybe if you hit AJ or devonte down the field. But like I don't expect any sort of Tom Brady had a comment today he called the Bears, he called them more more explosive than surgical. I'm like, I like that and that's what I think. The the Eagles have some variation of that to their offense even though it's not even that explosive. But they do have explosive capabilities. You just don't see it very often. But that defense since adding Jalen Phillips looks elite. And the reason that I think it is something that can sustain is because I've seen Dick Fangio with high end players. When you give him high end players, he kicks ass and takes names. So if I think we just got to wrap our head around that the Eagles are now a defensive team and Sirianni was 55 and 22 after last week is now 56 and 22 wins a lot of games. So you can say he's carried by assistant coaches. Harry Roseman, I've often been guilty of saying that they just can't. His records, his record and tonight's a good example. Like he's playing Dan Campbell, who I think is one of the better coaches in the NFL and it wasn't even a fair fight. He just, you know, what did Bobby Knight say? Stupid loses more games than smart wins. That's he just let Dan Campbell do dumb things and they just kind of cruise the victory. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet. We talk a lot of football here on three and out, but there's always something to bet on. The NBA, college hoops, hockey, sports are going full swing right now. When you sign up with Hard Rock Bet today, you could score 150 in bonus bets and just have to place a $5 wager. And if it hits, you not only get your winnings, but you also get 150 in bonus bets. 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John Middlecoff
Okay, couple other things. I think today was tough if you are a Sam Darnold Stan because you go does he have a big game problem? I think my big question mark coming out of the Seattle LA game is is Sam Darnold not good in big games or do the Rams just own them because the Rams played him in the playoffs, punked him and today they picked him out four times. And these weren't like random balls tipped flying in the air that happened a couple times against the Cardinals the previous week. Go. These are guys picking it off in stride like Sam Darnold hitting them in the numbers. Today was pretty rough and I think If I'm a Seattle fan, I just go, listen, I. Our coach is elite at what he does. Their defense is fantastic. They held Matt Stafford do under 150 yards. One of the touchdowns was because Darnold, his first pick, led to an immediate touchdown. The Seattle defense is elite, and that's Mike McDonald's baby. I believe in Kubiak and I don't put this because I've seen this with Kevin o', Connell, I've seen this with Kubiak. Like, this might be a Darnold issue and I do think it's a good lesson for McDonald of, like, we might. I might have to coach up my offensive coordinator to have a different plan of attack with Sam in some of these bigger games. Because I, I do think for the first time this year kind of that alert went off, that went oof. Because he was hitting guys on the Rams. It was just like I told Coward, they like sped him up, but also like, slowed him down. Like he just kind of felt lost. And years ago he had the famous I'm seeing ghosts. It just felt like he wasn't comfortable. He still made some big plays. He still threw for 280 yards. But you throw four interceptions, you 100% deserve to lose. And honestly, I have no clue how they had a chance to win it at the end of the game. It honestly speaks to how complete of a team this is. If Sam Darnold just throws two picks and two touchdowns, I mean, Seattle might win by 15 points. So it really. He's the reason they lose now. He's also been the reason they've won some games. So I'm not trying to just crush the guy, but I do think we have to acknowledge some of these bigger games. I don't know if he's more amped up coming in. I don't know if he felt the pressure because let's face doesn't get much bigger than this. You have the same record. You're playing for the division. You already have a divisional loss. They don't. It's on the road. This is a team that knocked you out of the playoffs last year, even though a lot of these guys obviously on your new team weren't a part of that. But, like, this is a big deal to Darnold and he failed. I mean, he was, he was bad. And the difference in the game is like, Stafford, who historically has thrown some interceptions, did not. So I just think on the bright side, if you're Seattle, your coach, I think is like the equal right there with McVeigh and Kyle, I think he's, he's excellent. The problem is just the quarterback. It's just something to monitor. Not writing the guy off, not saying he can never win a big game. But in our short sample size since he's become a good player starting in 2024, the Lions, the Rams playoff game and then the Rams game this year did not go well and this went really bad. And I also think McVeigh's guy, Shula's defensive coordinator kind of has some serious owner John Sam. Whatever they are doing is completely throwing them off because the other thing is the Rams defensive backfield is not good. Mac Jones threw for 650 yards against them this year, has annihilated them through the air hell. Darnold threw for 280 yards but he's putting guys in positions and maybe it's the pass rush as well that Sam's just throwing it to them four times and three of them were about the one Tebow one where he like jumps in the air to do like the jump pass. So he might as well just hand it to the defense back. It was, it was a rough day for Sam. So congrats to the Rams. That was a massive win. Sean McVeigh, I, I love Seattle in that spot. Now if you would have told me that Darnold would have thrown for four interceptions, I would have said I bet the rams win by 20 points. So it's still stunning. I was. I'm pacing around the office as Sam gets the ball at the one yard line and is driving them down to midfield. I don't quite know the clock operator in LA that feels like it should be at double zero. He's like double pumping and he gets it to. Who do you throw to? Shahid. It felt like that was more than five seconds but they still had a shot for game winning field goal and it was just wide right. I do think at this point when you look at the schedule that Denver should be the number one seed. You know the Colts play the Chiefs is upcoming week. They still have to play the Texans. I do think Denver is just in the driver's seat. They got the commanders coming up. They got the Raiders. They're going to be 11 and 2 with a ton of momentum in their defense. Speaking of the Eagles, you know the Eagles at Jalen Phillips check out. They got some really some great edge pressure. The Denver Broncos are on pace to break the sack record in the history of the NFL. It feels like every guy on their defensive line could just play like the nine technique Way over the tight end and just rush off the edge, defensive tackles included. When you have a defensive line that every guy feels like, like they have the speed of the defensive, like a defensive end, you know, you're, you're cooking with gas. The Broncos had that with Peyton Manning, when they had DeMarcus Ware, when they had Vaughn Miller, two obviously two hall of Famers coming off the edge. They had Malik Jackson, who was a fantastic interior pass rusher who played at the speed like an end. Same thing with Derek Wolf. And it was like when those four guys were on, he had no shot. That's how this group feels with just elite DB play and obviously certain is going to come back and just a mentality of just team speed. You're like this thing jumps off the tape and massive, massive win. I mean, there was a moment when Kelsey scored where you thought this is going to be a elite Chiefs victory on the road in Denver against this defense, Travis is having feels like the best game he's had in a couple years. What just a gut check victory. And then Bo Nix, multiple big third downs, a big second and eight that basically sealed the game. And unlike the Raider game and unlike the Eagle game, and unlike some of these games Bo Nix has played where through quarters he's skipping balls and it's like his feet are all off. He just doesn't look comfortable today. Even in his incompletions, like he looked much more comfortable. Doesn't mean he's not going to have negative plays. But he looked like a different player than the guy that we saw whatever 10 days ago against the Raiders where he was just all over the map and balls were flying up, down and all around. It was like, this is not a sustainable way to play quarterback. Today was. And obviously in a big spot in a tie game against. They're technically not the defending champs, but to the Broncos they might as well be. I mean, you're playing a team that has won your division for what, seven or eight straight years. They've gone to five of the last six Super Bowls. They're the fucking Kansas City Chiefs. And even I think they mentioned this on the broadcast. Like Sean Payton's been talking about this team since the moment he took this job. They're the big bad Wolf, they're the team you're chasing and they're the team that, you know, last year they had an opportunity to beat this team and the field goal got blocked and the Chiefs were incredible in these one score games. And still this year, like at the end of the day, the Downfall of this team. And I think right now, I was looking at their schedule earlier today, like, they're probably gonna end up going 10 7. But the downfall of them was blowing the game to the Chargers, definitely the game to the Jags. Like, if, if I told you at the beginning of the year, you know the Chiefs are going to go 12 and 5, one of their losses, you would have been, I can see them losing on the road to Denver. Like, this is one of those, you're doing win, loss, game. And I say, hey, they win 12 games. This might be one of the games where you put an L next to it. This is not a bad loss. Losing on a last second field goal to the best defense to a team in your division on the road. Not that weird. But the problem is when you have dropped some of these weird games throughout the season, this game really bites you in the ass. And then you look up and you got the Jags just curb stomping the. The Chargers. Like, that's a little problematic. But I don't view the Chiefs like as a bad team. They just like the thing that went for them last year, all the one score games, is now working against them and they got into a spot. Whereas must win in the middle of November on the road at Denver, now must win to win the division. They're not going to win the division this year. And to me it's like they've won it a bunch of years in a row and they've earned it. I mean, they've been a dominant team and this year, like, it's not going to happen. I'll tell you this though. 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Gotta give the Bears credit because historically they've been no different than the Cardinals, the Titans teams they the Bengals, they love to pay. The Chargers pre Jim Harbaugh. They like a coach that doesn't cost much money and typically in the NFL you get what you pay for. Well, last year they gave $13 million to Ben Johnson and he has been fantastic. And today he put on full display like hey guys, I'm a better coach than Kevin o' Connell and people think I hate Kevin o'. Connell. Hell, people think I hate the Bears, people think I all sorts of stuff that's just untrue. I have nothing against either. Kevin o' Connell seems like a great guy, he's obviously a good coach, but he does have a fatal flaw. And Ben Johnson for being a younger kind of innovative guy is actually an old school football guy at heart. You know why? He wants to run the ball. I think a perfect game plan for him would be like 45 rush attempts. A perfect game plan for Kevin O' Connell would be like 50 pass attempts. The problem for Kevin O' Connell is he has a guy that can't really complete passes. And when you're going to call pass after pass after pass, especially deep passes which he clearly struggles to complete. He threw another interception on a go route today. I think last week he threw two on post routes today, threw one on a go route. Stop calling those routes for the guy. And I got a lot on social media that John, it's not on the coach. We got to find out if JJ can swim in the deep end. It's time to even find out. Can he, can he keep his head above water? Is he going to sink? There's some truth to that, but in the reality is you were just trying to win the game today against Chicago Bears and the best tactic to win the game against Chicago Bears today would be to call some more runs because your guy, when it came to passing the ball was all over the bleeping map. Even on basic like out routes to Justin Jefferson, there was one pass that he could have been Shaquille o' Neal with Kevin Garnett on his shoulders and that ball still would have gone over both their heads. J.J. mcCarthy is not very good at football right now relative to the NFL. And what Kevin o' Connell is asking him to do is something that he can't do, and that's carry the team from a passing standpoint. Caleb Williams can be very hit or miss with that. You know what Ben Johnson did earlier this season, like, hey, Caleb, I'm not going to ask you to do what they were asking you to do last year and throw the ball 40, 50 times a game. We are going to run the ball and when all else fails, I'm going to call another run. Now you're going to have to make some plays. And Caleb is scrambling around like it's, it's pretty incredible to watch. He is tossing guys, he is breaking tackles like he's Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton. But Google how big those guys were. Caleb's like 6:1. But his strength, I mean, we talk about how he's built, guys can't, guys can't sack him right now. I mean, I mean, you better get two guys on him if you want to bring them down. Because if it's one guy, he's shaking him off and he's scrambling away like, Caleb Williams looks like Ben roethlisberger compared to JJ McCarthy. But today I saw one guy who knew his team strengths and weaknesses, who knew his player strengths and weaknesses and was desperately trying to win a game. And I saw another guy who just calls plays like he always calls plays. I'm calling passes. That's what I do. I call passes. Hey, hey, Kevin, you're averaging over five yards of carry here in the first half. I don't care. We're passing the Rock well, you're not going to win that way. And it's like, well, JJ had the final drive for a touchdown. That's great. But what about the rest of the game? It was remarkable that the Vikings were even in that game. It honestly speaks to Brian Flores, who's done a hell of a job. And their defense was playing their ass off today. But holy moly. Now listen, obviously they had some drops. Addison had a couple. Hawkinson had one bad one, also made some plays. Jefferson had a bad drop. I think at one point in time in the game, they had five or six. So they had some drops. But last week the Bears had some drops. That's football. You're going to have some drops. It's just the relentless nature of calling the passes. To me, it felt like insanity watching it. And listen, I'm a guy who's. My time in the NFL was around Andy Reid, like calling pass plays too. But sometimes you need to settle your player down. And the only way to settle the quarterback down just to call a handoff, just let everyone take a deep breath. And he tried. He would do it a couple times, be like, fuck this, Jordan. Justin, run a deep comeback, run a post route. It's like, bro, this is not going to work. So I thought today, listen, everyone is going to take a giant dump on J.J. mcCarthy in his career. And listen, some of it's definitely fair, but the coach, now, we saw it last year with Sam Darnold in some of the big games. You're seeing it this year. He cannot pivot off his pass place and he just doesn't want it. And he's shown like he won't like, it's not even that. He just, he refuses to. And when all else fails, he's just going to call pass play. Couple things before we get out of here. I spent a lot of time on Saturday with my dog on the couch, just ordering doordash, slamming Gatorades, finishing at 10 zones and just watching football. Watched a lot of football. And I had two big takeaways. Just, this is a couch scout in me. No longer a guy banging all 22, just watching games like most fans on a Saturday afternoon. Jeremiah Love, the running back for Notre Dame, is an elite running back prospect now. We saw last year Ashton Genti get drafted six overall. You knew where I stand. I thought it was kind of crazy. Not that I didn't like the player, but I didn't think one. It's like, I understand the draft. You can only take the players in that given class. I was just Like, I struggle taking this running back because I didn't put him in the category of like the last seven, eight years. There were three or four guys that were just elite prospects. Saquon Barkley, Christian McCaffrey, Bijan Robinson. Obviously Saquon was two. I think those other two guys were both eight. I would put Jeremiah Love directly in those guys. You could put Gibbs in those guys category as well. Right. They traded back from 6 to 12 and took him at 12. And even Brad Holmes said if we couldn't have made the trade, we would have taken him at six. And if they had taken him at six, it no one would be complaining. So I would put Gibbs in the kind of that world. Love is just elite. I mean, he's the total package. And I think if this was 1998, he would be in the mix to be the number one overall pick. If Ashton Gente can go six overall in a draft, this guy could go like negative five. He's, to me, he's in a different class than Genty. So I just think this guy, he's the total package. That's what Bijan was. You know, Saquon is. His hands can be a little hit or miss, but he's such a good back and speed was so elite. Obviously McCaffrey just does everything so well. He's basically like the white version of Marshall Falk or Ladanian Tomlinson. And Gibbs is like this explosive, explosive version of. I don't even know. He's like his own unique player. But I think Jeremiah Love is just a special, special talent. And I've watched a lot of college football. To me, he's. He's as good as anyone. You know, that's this plan, right? I'd put him and Jeremiah Smith as the best two offensive players. And speaking of offensive players, I understand why we do this and I'm guilty of this too. Of like, hey, these are the top quarterbacks. These are top quarterbacks. And guys have a good stretch and you play at a big program, we talk about you. But I've seen a lot of like mock drafts and just people like, hey, could Ty Simpson, the Alabama quarterback, go to the jets, go to the Cleveland Browns, go to one of these quarterback desperate teams and help change the course of their franchise? And my response after watching him the last couple of weeks, the second half, last week against lsu, they started hitting him and he looked terrible in Oklahoma yesterday in the second half with Brett Venables absolutely worked him. And I'm not trying to shit on it. Ty Simpson, I think he's played really, really well. And I'm really impressed because my expectations after the first couple of weeks were not very high. But he's done. He's done well. But historically, him, like, that specific player went, I don't know, fourth, fifth round, and now we talk, because the quarterback inflation, these guys going in the first round, it's insane. I mean, once upon a time, guys like Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott went in the third and fourth round. Dak Prescott had Mississippi State. People forget this. At one point in time, they were competing to be the number one team in the country. His senior year, Cousins had, like, Michigan State have the greatest stretch of program history with Dantonio. But those guys, no one's like, oh, that guy should go, like, pick six. No one talk like that. And I think Ty Simpson, because everyone's like, oh, we need a quarterback. We need a quarterback. Yeah, in the fourth round, he'd be fine. And maybe he could be a starter, maybe be a backup. Who knows? But first round, top five, Are you guys on crack cocaine? So I think we need to be very, very careful, because watching these quarterbacks over, you know, as they start playing conference play and better players, especially the SEC guys, you see Lenore Sellers, you saw this with Garrett Nussmeier early in the season. It's like they start, get exposed, and none of these guys are changing your franchise. None of them are. And definitely none of them are worth a top five top ten pick. Some of them should go back to school. Some of them should just stay. Some of them jump off the base like Jeremiah Smith. We should have a rule once a year you should apply and, like, the GM should vote. Like, hey, do I need to come back for my junior year, or can I just go pro? It could have happened with, like, Parsons and Jamar Chase and Penne Sewell. That one year with the vid year when they all opted out. But, like, every once in a while, you get a guy that's like a true sophomore. It's like, yeah, there's no point in him staying. And I don't want, like, these guys to be able to come out to the NFL whenever. Because I do think in football, physical league boys developing, like, it makes sense. But Jeremiah love, like, or, I mean, Jeremiah Smith doesn't need to stay. Like, the GM should just be like, give an exception. He's cool. But I just think you watch Ty Simpson and you go, I just. I don't see it. I don't see it at all. I don't see it with any of these quarterbacks, beside maybe the kid at Indiana. Dante Moore's pretty damn good. Obviously, he has a big game this week against usc. And I also think you're going to see all these guys are going to be in the playoffs and we'll see when they play the best teams and the best defenses. And this is where you got to be very careful. Like, there's no hype in the NFL, right? Like, Bo Nix was shitty last week. He was good. Today, there's no hype. You're either good or you're bad, right? On a weekly basis. Like, J.J. mcCarthy had a good fourth quarter once against the Bears. Ever since, it's been terrible. Just like objective takes were in college because they're young. Guys improve. There's. There's like, hey, this what this guy can be? This guy can improve a lot. It's like, okay, Arch is kind of gaining some momentum and then he plays Georgia. It's like, well, he was actually pretty good early on. He's definitely improved. And. And I was an Arch critic just because every. The hype on Arch was so outrageous. I felt like I had to fan the flames a little bit. I had to grab my hose and put out, you know, kind of the. Just the growing momentum of, like, this guy's going to be the number one overall pick, win the Heisman, be the greatest player we've ever seen. It's like, guys, he's never even started against a real opponent, right? This was in, like, in June, and now it's like, okay, we just, we got a little time and who knows, you know, Arch, you give him another offseason, maybe he can improve. I would kind of bet against it. But listen, I'd never bet against like a 19 or 20 year old. It's going to happen all the time, and it's going to happen to a lot of guys you've never heard of, right? Backups that are going to become starters and then go to the NFL. But the guys that are playing right now, I think if I'm a Browns fan, if I'm a Jets fan, do not look for one of these guys to be Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow and just flip your franchise overnight. Because I'll promise you, it's just not going to happen in this class. Before I get out of here, actually, let me. Let me switch up and reverse it. Hard Rock bet my friends Monday Night Football, which is just, are they messing with us? We got the Cowboys at the Raiders. I put together a little parlay. I feel like everyone's going to take the Cowboys in this game, which makes sense. I mean, the Raiders are terrible Monday Night Football as the year goes on, it does feel like you're going to get some upsets. A couple years ago I think it was the Giants against the Eagles. We've just had weird games late in the season. You just never know. I'm taking the Raiders plus three. I'm taking action. Genti Wouldn't shock me if Aston Genti has a big game tomorrow. Cowboys defense stinks though they have added a couple of defensive linemen and CD Lamb. Both those two guys anytime touchdowns pay six to one. So I'm taking the Raiders plus three. I'm taking Genty and I'm taking CD Lamb. Hard Rock Bet Little little three legger there this time. Official. Have a good one. See ya. The Volume.
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