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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Reaction to Matthew Stafford & Rams DESTROYING Bucs on SNF + NFL Week 12
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Jenna Kim Jones
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John Middelkopf
What is going on everybody? John Middelkopf 3&out podcast lot going on we had a long, long football day. The Rams destroy Tyler Tampa probably the craziest moment of the day though is the Eagles falling apart and the Cowboys winning. We also just had a firing. Chip Kelly is no longer the Eagles offensive coordinator, so we'll dive into that as well. Packers ruined J.J. mcCarthy's career. The Lions barely win. Their defense is in shambles. Jameis is just a roller coaster. We got a big Monday Night Football game. 49ers Some thoughts on Brandon I you that story went viral. We will chime in on that. Obviously it's Thanksgiving week so we got a lot to be thankful for and we're going to talk a lot of football. But make sure you subscribe to the podcast wherever if you listen on Collins feed, Apple Spotify we got you covered. YouTube. We go live after Thursday night games. After Monday night games. Monday night we will be live on the YouTube channel. John Middlekop three and out. Subscribe to that after 49ers Panthers which actually has a lot of playoff implications. But let's just dive right into what we just witnessed on Sunday Night Football. We will start with the ramps. I do think you know after the Eagles fell apart and lost a just an awful game, I mean you're up 21 nothing killing the cowboys. There's not any part of any human being alive including Jerry Jones, Dak Prescott, Brian Schadenheimer when they were up 21 nothing. You think the Eagles were going to lose and then they did and then the Rams come out like that. You got to say the two best teams right now in the NFC still are the Los Angeles Rams and Seattle. But the Rams ceiling right now. You know the Devonte Adams move. I mean you could argue two of the best off season moves were Devonte Adams and George Pickens I mean, both guys are completely dominant now. Now the difference is, you know, George was a very polarizing player. Devonte was, at least in my opinion, a first ballot, hall of Fame level guy. And I think this little run with Stafford is going to really help solidify that because the way he looks with Matt looks like he did in the prime of Aaron Rodgers career. He is just a dominant force. I think he has 10 touchdowns on the year. He's uncoverable. You put them with Puka, especially in the red zone. Their offense looks incredible, their defense looks awesome. Their coaching is elite. This is a team to me that just looks poised to compete, slash, win a Super Bowl. And now that they, you know, gain control of the conference, like, they can get home field advantage. And anytime you give Sean McVeigh, I mean, this is a team, you give him a buy, especially bat Stafford, they are going to be extremely dangerous offensively. They have a potent passing game. You put them indoors. Hell, I mean, we saw him last year in the playoff game in the snow, go toe to toe with the Eagles, who clearly then were better than they are now. But you put this guy indoors, you know, with the weapons he has, how good their defense is playing. I mean, I did not know this Landman character from Colorado was essentially Ray Lewis reincarnated. They just extended him within the last 48 hours. He's hitting people today like he's Roquan Smith or Fred Warner. I mean, I mean, he's an elite player. Then Forbes, the guy they traded for from Washington, I'll be honest, I didn't know that much about him. It's like, yeah, this guy was a first round pick and even Collinsworth, it's like you can't argue with the physical characteristics. And they've immediately flipped that guy overnight into a high end, contributing player. Like, you speak about coaching, you speak about culture. You know, if I'm a commander fan, it's like, Dan Quinn, you're a defensive guy. We just had this guy. Our secondary sucks. You couldn't make this work. Like, what's going on? He comes with Shula and McVeigh within a couple weeks. He's. He's making huge plays tonight on Chris Godwin. Like, God, this guy's moving. He's mirroring the guy across the field, making plays on the ball like, damn. Now listen, Tampa is really banged up. Obviously Bakers and shambles, but like, their back was kind of against the wall. And to get curb stomp like they did tonight was to me much more of a reflection on the Rams than It is on them. I mean, their season's kind of spiraling in the wrong direction, but the Rams are humming. You know, you get the momentum last week from that Seattle game, and they look like a team like right now to me. If I had to say, hey, who's going to win a Super Bowl, I would take them over Seattle just because I trust Matt Stafford a lot more than I trust Sam Darnold now. You know, every time now I get there playing the Titans like Sam Darnold is playing really, really well. But he is going to be under a magnifying glass as we come down the home stretch and obviously in the playoff game. But there is no disputing something pretty special is going on with Matt Stafford. He's clearly going to be the betting favorite over the next 24 hours in the, in the race to win the MVP. He's playing as well as he ever has in his career. The back injury, which was a real thing, he could not practice in training camp, feels like something that happened seven years ago. And I had someone actually send me a direct message. And it kind of got me thinking. And the gist of it was this guy was having a conversation about quarterback legacies. And I brought up how Matt Stafford is already a Hall of Famer, which I agree. But if he wins the MVP and also wins the super bowl mvp, that would put him in rarefied air. Because listen, some people have come, you know, kind of prisoner of the moment, comparing his career to Rogers career. It's not even fair. Aaron got to go to Green Bay, a place that is called like quarterback heaven. It's an incredible place to go. And listen, I have always defended Rogers career. In the prime of his career in Green Bay, it didn't get any better. Matt Stafford played for the Lions, right? You're going to do a lot better in life when you go to a place that knows what they're doing when you're young than a place that had no clue. And when he went to the Lions, it was a joke. But what we have seen of him with Sean McVay over these last four or five years, like he's already checked off. If he had good coaching, no one can argue he would have been considered one of the greatest players of all time. It's like, well, look at his record with the Lions. Everyone's record before Dan Campbell got there. My entire life was awful. Their two best players at 30 years old quit. Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson. Literally. They said, I'm done playing football at 30 years old. It's like unprecedented. It never happens. He comes to the Rams, he's now taken them to the playoffs basically every year, obviously won the super bowl and now he's going to win an mvp. So like he will never have the longevity of some of these guys that are quote unquote, his peers, obviously Rogers, Breeze, Roethlisberger, those type players. Because when they got, and you see it now with, you know, Mahomes or Lamar, those guys got to the league and they immediately started winning. But like, if I put Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson on the 2008 Detroit Lions, I'm pretty confident it wouldn't have gone that well. Why? Because it hadn't gone well for literally everyone that went to that franchise. And now I'm watching him with the Rams, I do think it's whether they win the super bowl this year or not, if he wins the mvp, like it's really going to be a validation for his career. And I also think he'd have to start asking himself because the quarterback draft this year is atrocious. It is not good. Beside Fernando Mendoza, who's probably going to go number one overall, there is not another player that most people in the NFL feel comfortable that you would take in the top 20 picks. Well, his franchise, the Rams, they have the Falcons first round pick. So they're going to get a pick within the probably the top 15 and then they're also going to have their pick. Well, they have a young like Devonte Adams is under contract for multiple years. Puka's going nowhere. Kyron Williams is under contract. Landman's under contract. All their defensive linemen are young and under contract. So this nucleus of the team isn't going anywhere. So if you're Stafford, even if you won an MVP and the super bowl doesn't get much better, I, I know he's made a lot of money. He literally has. I think he's one of if not the highest paid quarterbacks or because most quarterbacks are the highest paid players of all time. I think he's either three or two. Maybe Brady was one, maybe Rogers was one. I forget I haven't looked at the list recently. But he's, he's definitely in the top five of all time career earnings for an NFL player and he's making $40 million this year. But why not run it back and make $45 million again next year? If this is how good your team is, this is how good you're playing, especially physically, he looks to be in great condition. The league has never been more conducive about extending your career as a quarterback because they can't touch you, they literally can't hit you. So if you're Matt Stafford and you feel good, you clearly like living in Los Angeles. Your head coach is also your offensive coordinator. You have this great rapport now with these two wide receivers. Your team's going to be in position to potentially draft some sweet offensive linemen. High, I don't think he's going anywhere. He could only just start kind of gaining this legacy, which is kind of cool. Every once in a while you get a guy that kind of becomes this legendary player in his mid to late 30s and some guys have a stronger case than others. But right when, when I was in high school, it was Rich Gannon who was kind of this afterthought. Then Gruden convinces Al Davis to bring him to the Raiders and he resurrects his career for a four or five year run. Wins an mvp, takes a team to a Super Bowl. Now what Stafford's doing more is more impressive and Stafford is a better player. But my point is that sometimes you get in these situations that you get some like late life. Now Stafford led a good life in Detroit in terms of he was always making one of if not the highest paid players in the league, made a ton of money, clearly was a good player, but was just in a dysfunctional place. Then he goes to a place that just knows what they're doing and you watch him and now he's excelling and their franchise is thriving. What they did a couple of years ago when they pivoted and Sean clearly had to, you know, listen, he didn't handle losing well. All he had done is win. And he flirted with Amazon. Don't blame them. They were going to pay him 15 plus million dollars to call Thursday Night Football with Al Michaels. You work one day a week, you fly everywhere in a private jet with Al, it's a pretty good life. Like it's what I personally would have chose. But you know, I'm a media talking guy. You know, Sean McVeigh is a football coach and he realized like, yeah, my life's pretty good. And just because I'm a dad. Looked around, a lot of football coaches have kids and he's meant to coach football. And him staying, him making the move with his, his college roommate Shula to be his defensive coordinator, that has been an incredible hire. And clearly, I don't know if insecure is the right word, but he was just hesitant to do it just the way it was be looked upon, probably not even from the outside, more internally, guys on the staff. And he'd had a bunch of good defensive coordinators. I mean, the moment he got there, Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley ran one of the great scams of all time. In 2020, obviously, Raheem was a stud for him, but Shula has been every bit as good as all those guys. And if you think about some of the teams they're probably going to have to beat, you know, to win the nfc, Seattle, they're clearly pretty comfortable playing Sam Darnold. If they match up with the 49ers early, they're pretty comfortable playing, you know, that operation as a franchise. The Eagles, they've played them really, really well despite losing the last two times when they played them this year and last year in the playoffs. You know, the Lions are extremely flawed. I. I feel really, really good. Obviously, health can change anything at a moment's notice, but if you're a Rams fan right now, I mean, tonight, that. That game was over after the first quarter, that was a glorified training camp, joint practice, you know, for the Rams. And they're riding high. They look. They look fantastic in. Matt Stafford feels like he's kind of solidifying his legacy on a completely different level, which is cool because I think he always had a lot of supporters in the NFL, a lot of people that, you know, thought that he was better than he ever got credit for. And it's hard. You don't get that much credit when you lose a lot. You just don't. Fair or not, you can be a good coach on a losing team because you're in a dysfunctional organization, right? You can be a good player on a losing team because you have a bad gm, a bad coach. And when you see Matt Stafford with the Rams, it has been impressive to watch. On the flip side, I'm a big Jason Light guy. I think he's one of the best GMs in the league. And their team, fully healthy, is really good. But they are not only not fully healthy, they are trending in the wrong direction. And I get asked a lot of questions about Todd Bowles and, and even Collinsworth mentioned it tonight, like those two coaches tonight couldn't be on the opposite ends of the spectrum, right? McVeigh looks like a Hollywood actor. Todd looks like this old, grumpy, kind of quiet guy. I like Todd. He was always cool to me when I worked with him in Philly. I think he's an excellent defensive mind, but clearly the team is really off kilter. If Baker is seriously injured. They are just completely fucked. There really is no way around it. They would have no chance to compete. I mean, Teddy is, is an awesome guy, but I mean, he was coaching high school two months ago. He was not planning on being in the situation. So you throw him out there out of desperation. The injuries on this team have continued to mount. Obviously the, you know, Todd is a defensive guy right now and their defense looks atrocious.
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Colin Coward
So.
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John Middelkopf
So even if you go, listen, you got some injuries, we don't expect you to be the 85 Bears. Can we just at least neutralize opponents a little bit? And the answer right now is no. I mean, it felt like they could have thrown to Devonte every single play and there's nothing they could do. So I think Tampa right now, a couple of weeks ago, it felt like they would have been a shoe in to win this division. The Panthers are coming. They still play the Panthers twice. Baker's health. If you told me Baker has a serious injury, he's going to miss a lot of time, I would say the Panthers could not only win this division, you could convince me Tampa's not going to win many games moving forward. They can't stop a soul on defense. Their offense without Mayfield is going to be in shambles. And it just feels like the momentum that they had early in the season, winning all those close games, I think you feel like you watch the Rams, you know, you watch Seattle, you watch, you know, some of these teams, Denver, some of these teams have a lot of momentum this year. It feels like the Bucks had it and now they're rolling back down the hill, going in the wrong direction. So I don't really know what else to say beside, it's not looking pretty at all, you know, for Tampa Bay. Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. There are three things to be thankful for this week. Family, food, and you guessed it, football. Thanks to Hard Rock Bet, you can easily sneak in some bets while your crazy uncle goes on his annual rant. Sign up today and you could feast with 150 in bonus bets. Just place a five dollar bet. If it hits, you not only get your winnings, but also 150 extra in bonus bets. That's an offer you can't pass up even on a full stomach. Plus, this week on Hard Rock Bet, you get three 50 profit boosts, one for each Thanksgiving Day game boost your same game parlay or same game parlay max, so your bet pays extra winnings. Hard Rock Bet offers new promos every single day. Download the Hard Rock Bet app now and make your first deposit payable and bonus bets Not a cash offer Offered by Seminole Tribe of Florida in Florida Offered by Seminole Hard Rock Digital LLC in all other states. You must be 21 plus and physically present in Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee and Virginia to play. Terms and conditions apply. Concerned about gambling in Florida? Call 1833 playwise in Indiana. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1809 with it gambling problem call 1-800- gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia.
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John Middelkopf
Some other stuff, there was just some breaking news about Chip Kelly getting fired. And we'll we can talk a little too about Shador and Miles Garrett. I I never understood the hire for the Raiders when it came to Chip Kelly. This was a guy over the course of his last couple years at ucla. Even their good teams, they were dominated by the defensive side of the ball. The offense was not good. Dante Moore, who's, you know, become a collegiate star and was one of the. I don't know if he was Second or third overall recruit. He was supposed to go to Oregon. Flip last second went to Chip. They started him as a. As a freshman, and he looked atrocious. And you watch him with Oregon, Dan Lanning and Will Stein. He looks fantastic. This notion that Chip Kelly is some dominant offensive mind in 2025 is laughable. I listen. I don't know if it's Pete Carroll, if it was Tom Brady, but to Give Chip Kelly Three years, $18 million in 2025, is one of the more crazy financial investments in recent memory. It really is insane. Obviously, the Pete Carroll situation is not going well. It's safe to say. I think we overuse this term. We just use it for anything right now. Like, is your dog just washed? No, my dog's old. It can't walk that fast. But anything that we see that's slowing down, we go, that's washed. P. Carroll might legitimately be over the hill. It might be over. Same thing for Belichick. Like, sometimes you get in your mid-70s, no matter how much you love football, no matter how much you think about football, no matter like, how much just a football life or you just lose your fastball. I mean, we saw that video of Nick saban on the LA Z boy watching Bill's Chiefs when Ms. Terry screams at him to sit up. Like, he kind of looked like a grandpa. Similar age as those guys. He just didn't have his fastball anymore. Doesn't mean he doesn't love football. Doesn't mean he doesn't think about football all the time. But it was just over. And I respect him for just saying, I'm out. Pete Carroll just. Just couldn't live without it. He's richer than he ever could have imagined. His wildest dreams, if you would ask him at 30 or 40 years old, but there's just some. Like, I don't know if he's got to scratch his itch with the ego, but watching him today, I mean, people talk a lot of shit about Stefanski, myself included a little bit. They were just running circles around the Raiders. But, like, part of Chip Kelly, once you get, like, an innovative offensive guy, you should watch something, go, God, I see some stuff. Like, I'm watching Stefanski today. He called some. Just deeper breaking routes for Shador. Why? He's got a bigger arm than Dylan Gabriel. And then they got in the goal line and they, like, ran some wildcat. Just direct snap to junkins. You can't stop this guy because he's one of the. Well, Miles Garrett's the best player on the field. Max Crosby, the second best player on the field, but this guy's might be the third best player on the field. We're going to direct snap it to him. You watch Chip Kelly, he's just running a normal offense. It's like I thought this guy was like this innovative guy. No, what he is is he's running an all time scam and he got $18 million more power to him. But that is going to go down as one of the most insane hires in recent memory. Especially when you factor in he got that much money because who are you bidding against? What was he making at Ohio State? Two and a half million dollars. He had to almost 3x his money. The guy went from this kind of legendary person to just turned into this mercenary chasing cash. And he was good at it, but left UCLA a couple years ago high and dry. Went to Ohio State, you know, was a huge reason that they lost to Michigan for the fourth straight year as a 20 point favorite. Last year, running one of the worst game plans you've ever seen. Obviously got hot in the playoffs and parlayed that into getting fired before Thanksgiving. And listen, Pete Carroll's fired a lot of coaches and typically when you fire a coordinator in a situation that's getting really ugly, you're next. So I think at this point in time, if I was a betting man, I would say Pete Carroll is going to be one and done. And you know, speaking of that game, obviously Shador just gave the Browns a little life. I mean, Dylan Gabriel's is not good. You know, I'm not going to act like Shador is the second coming here of Patrick Mahomes. Let's see him play a real team. Because right now the Raiders are not a real team. That's, you know, that's like a minor league operation. Pretty embarrassing, honestly. And that's back to Pete Carroll. Like, I don't know what's going on, but you only play who's on the schedule. Chador had a couple, just explosive plays down the field. Kind of refreshing if you're a Browns fan. And I think he showed enough like he's starting the rest of the year. And if I'm Jimmy Haslam and they show the picture of like the GM with his laptop and Jimmy behind him on his phone, like scrolling Twitter or looking at babes on Instagram or something, I think Jimmy's just, just playing. I appreciate the Browns too. Bringing DeSean Watson to mentor Shador, quite the combination. But to me, the story for the Browns is I've been Watching football a long time, Miles Garrett and I, I wasn't old enough to remember Lawrence Taylor beside the highlights on YouTube and obviously the way people talk about him and you just watch the highlights. I mean, you'd show up benders on crack and then get three sacks against Joe Montana. Belichick and Parcells, you know, will go to their grave calling him the greatest defensive player of all time. The, the greatest defensive players I've seen would probably be like Reggie White, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, There's a short list of guys. Miles Garrett is every bit as good as any of those guys. And today he was just a man amongst boys. And I get the Raiders offensive line is in shambles, but they might as well have had me out there. They might as well had a cone out there because it did not matter. He, he had three sacks. You know, he has 18 now on the season. I think my producer Shane was telling me he's got like 13 in this, in this month. He is just an absolute wrecking ball of domination coming off the edge. I mean, he looks like a Greek God. His ability to bend and explosion and tenacity. I stand by what I said. I do believe that they should have traded him just because their team is so bad. I mean, they're going to win four games with a guy that's going to end up with like 25, 28 sacks. But I also can understand if you're the owner, are we ever going to have a player this good again? Like if you just go, who are the best players in the history of the Browns? You'd be like Jim Brown, Miles Garrett, like, that's kind of Joe Thomas. Like it's, it's a pretty short list of like all time great players. And like, I do get it. Like, we just need someone that some of our fans can be proud of. And you know, when Shador hit the big bomb early in the game, you saw his excitement. So if you're going to motivate him just with a little more juice. The Browns just today became a little more interesting while the Raiders all time circle the drain moment. I mean, God, that was, that was embarrassing. The stat stuck he had given me is. The Browns since 2000 have started. 17 guys have made their debut for the Cleveland Browns and they were 0 and 17. Well, Shador ended that today. Speaking of streaks that ended up. I can't imagine how often you're up 21 nothing in the first half and you lose a game, right? Nick Sirianni was 55 and 22 coming into this game. And I would imagine anytime he's had a 20 plus point lead in a game, he's won the majority of them. There's not at one point in time in that first half that I think the Cowboys could win. And then it just started getting weird. Me and Colin were going to go early and it's like God, now it's 2114 and I just, I can't even describe what I witnessed. An all time meltdown of just doing nothing. What I don't get is they come out the Eagles and they're just slicing and dicing the Cowboys. And AJ Brown looks fantastic. He's into it. Devontae's making plays, Jalen's got a rhythm and then the second half starts and it's just like punt, punt, punt, punt, miss, field goal, punt. I was like, how I don't get it. And I saw Saquon have some comments after the game trying to put it on himself saying that he's been a non factor all season. I do think there's some truth to that. I don't know if he's, you know, had a huge year, maybe feeling himself a little bit in the off season but like their offensive line clearly is nowhere near what it was last year but a huge reason that they were such a dominant team last year is he had like seven or eight runs of over 50 yards. Obviously he had whatever he had 2,000 rushing yards on the season. He had one of the truly great, you know, just years for a running back that you will ever see. But there is no explosive big play capability from their running game. And clearly when they just have to depend on the pass throughout the entire game, they can't maintain it. And I've had people dming me and texting me. I know a lot of Eagle fans in my life like how can this guy who is right now, I don't know how many touchdowns he's thrown on the season, but he only has thrown one interception. Like Jalen does not turn it over yet. Can go through these stretches where it just looks like he is like there.
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Colin Coward
Is no.
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John Middelkopf
Nothing happens. It's like what did I just witness out of those three plays. And the knock on him has been that when you play zone he will just dink and dunk. He will not press the envelope down the field. And I do think that's indicative of the number of he hasn't thrown any picks because he's not willing to take chances. And you watch as this game now granted their backs against the wall, they need to push the Ball. But like Dak, consistently, you know, in moments. Now granted, sometimes where Dak does his scariest work is when he's down like 21, 24, 28, nothing. That's where Dak can put up some hollow stats. But today he, he played legitimate high level football. And George Pickens has thoroughly outplayed CD Lamb. I will take a huge out. Jalen has 17 touchdowns. But when you watch him play, especially when they go through these ruts, he does not feel like a guy with a 17 to 1 touchdown to interception ratio because he's not willing to take chances. And clearly looking back on that game, it's like, well, they had a game plan and he felt comfortable with the first 10, 15 plays. But as the game goes on, it just kind of gets bogged down in the mud and it just goes nowhere. And then their running game doesn't exist because their interior offensive lines and shambles. Obviously Lane Johnson's injured. Saquon, I don't know if he's lost a step. He just doesn't have the same burst. And all of a sudden George Pickens looks like, I don't know, Terrell Owens meets Randy Moss. And he's been, he's been elite. He's outplayed CD Lam. He simply has. And he had some comments last week, clearly matured. Now you could argue some guys, you got to be careful about people in contract years, but he is a dominant, dominant player. And let's face it, like, CD Lamb has had stretches this year where it's like kind of underwhelming. Had a lot of big drops. I mean one of the reasons that they lost, they easily could be 6, 4 and 1 if it wasn't for CD Lambs big drops. Week one against Philadelphia, he had more today. But George Pickens, like, don't worry, I got you. And he does and he did. Today he had a massive game. I mean the last two weeks he has 20 catches, 300 yards and two touchdowns. He has been as good of a player as anyone in the NFL. And Jerry deserves a lot of credit because everyone was on him. You can't trade Micah Parsons. Well, he did and they've been fine. And honestly, adding Quinn and Williams, their defense looks dramatically better because you put him next to Clark, they just feel much more of like a solidified unit. And then offensively, the other thing is Javante Williams was a guy who's like, oh this guy shot, don't mess with him. He runs his ass off. So you put him with Ferguson, even though CD is kind of hit or miss this year. The threat of him takes so much pressure off George. I mean, George is every bit as good as a number two wide receivers there has been in the NFL in 2025 and now there's going to be a lot of pressure on the Cowboys that even Dax said. Like I can't imagine like him going anywhere. I want him here. So you would imagine Jerry's going to pay him and there's going to be a lot of pressure on their draft picks this offseason, but that was a fantastic win. Brian Schottenheimer deserves a lot of credit. Another guy that everyone shit on. Everyone just took a pulled their pants down, took a dump on the hire. I'm probably guilty as well. There is no disputing that he's excellent with Dak and the offense throughout the majority of the season has been awesome. I also thought I was like, you're going to put a wild card human like George Pickens on Brian Schleidenheimer feels a little unfair and he's thrived. So he deserves credit for that as well. Like he can handle personalities. He's getting the best out of his players. So if I'm Jerry, I'm taking a pretty big victory lap all week long, leading right into Thanksgiving when I host the Chiefs. Okay, before we dive into a couple more games, you know I got to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast. Game Time. If you want to go to one of these games, if you want to go to a professional football game, we got you covered. Because Game Time, they have tickets as low as a hundred dollars. They have flash deals. They have the easiest interface I've ever used when it comes to a ticketing app. Also, when you look at the price on the app, that is the price you will pay at checkout. There are no hidden fees. The price you see when you click on it is the price you play at checkout. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use the code JOHN for $20 off. Terms of play Again, create an account, redeem the code JOHAN for $20 off. Download the Gametime app today. Last minute tickets Lowest price guaranteed Time.
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John Middelkopf
Somehow in this podcast Internet business that we're all in, I've inherited a lot of Giants fans in my life. And the one thing I will say, and I've always said this, us on the west coast when and I having been in radio and just a lot of my friends are big Niner people, when they suck, no one pays attention. People stop watching them. Yet having lived in Philly, knowing all these Giants people, New England in the Northeast, it's kind of like the sec. Even when you suck, they're still going to consume it. They kind of need it. And they try to find positive little elements to the team and to the operation, little things they can hold on to for the future, which I appreciate. Like, I love this. I do this for a living. I can talk football, any team, with anybody. And I do wonder, and I mentioned this to Coward today, that if they if the Giants would have made Jameis Winston the backup from the jump and honestly even made him the starting quarterback from the jump. And then when they went to Jackson, Dart just turned Jameson to the backup, would Brian Dabel still have a job? Because clearly Jameis is a lot better than Russell Wilson now. He's clearly a wild card. And the Lions defense is in shambles. Like they have issues. They can't stop anybody. It looks like the same exact thing from last year. Explosive plays, guys wide open and this is not Mario Manningham, Odell Beckham and Malik Neighbors running around out there. It's Wanda Robinson and a bunch of randos. You know, Cam Scatterboos getting into it with people on Twitter because he has a cast on his leg, bitching and moaning about him going to Monday Night Raw. So the players Jameis is throwing to will probably not be on the team in a couple years. You look up, he's thrown for over 350 yards. He catches a touchdown, breaks tackles. I respect Dan Campbell a lot. And him making the Lions respectable is as impressive as anything you'll ever see. Like, it should not happen. And it happened. It's like when Jim Harbaugh showed up at Stanford and they were 111. Couple years later, they're in a BCS game. It's like, how'd you do this? It's like will, determination, heart. But once you get to the highest level, you kind of need some players. Like, that's the thing with the Eagles. It's going to be impossible to quit the Eagles going into the playoffs because you're like, they could beat anybody. They have the players, right? They have the elite blue chip guys at different positions. You look around the lines, you're like, are they good enough? Like, are they? They got Aiden Hutchinson, but you know, Arnold's hurt. Who are these? Like, I don't think they are. And what we also know about the Lions, they got to go on the road. If you tell me they're the wild card and they're going to Philly, they're going to Green Bay, guess what we are all going to do. And I love Jared Goff. I've watched his entire career going back from when he was a freshman on a one win team at Cal. I'm a huge golf fan, but he's got serious limitations outdoors. And if it's freezing cold and he's got the two gloves, none of us are going to believe in him. So I do believe and I think the Lions are going to be one and done here come the playoffs and the team that's trending a little bit just because at home, if they can win the division, they control it. They still play the Bears twice. That defense is fantastic. And listen, the stats on JJ McCarthy. I saw something that I put in our group chat that he was as bad. Basically the only guy worse through a certain amount of games was jamarcus Russell. Where did I put it? I won't even be able to find it, but it was essentially, here it is. JJ McCarthy now ranks 851st out of 852 in expected in EPA per drop back among qualified passers since 2000. So basically the Internet era. The only player below McCarthy is a man named Jamarcus Russell. But oh wait, it gets worse when eliminating drop backs with quick pressures under 2.5 seconds. J.J. mcCarthy's performance against the packers ranked 344th of 346 quarterback performances this year in EPA per drop back when he dropped backs today and really in the entire season, it is stunning when something good happens. And obviously the packers are in elite defense. They were flying around. It was my favorite bet on the board, J.J. mcCarthy going into Lambeau. I don't know what that number would have had to be to put some money on the Vikings, but for me probably would have had to been at minimum 15 plus points. And that game went about as I expected. JJ McCarthy looks atrocious. And the packers defense, listen, they're really good. And if they are able to get home games at Lambeau, they're going to be extremely tough because we know how naturally, like a lot of their games, if it's 10 degrees in the middle of January and you can't feel your hands, you can't feel your feet, it's hard to sling it around. So naturally sometimes in those moments. I remember when the Niners went in there a couple years ago against Rogers, it was awful weather. There aren't going to be many points to be scored. So you have a huge advantage if you have an elite defense. And historically the packers especially many years with Rogers, didn't have a good defense. Well, now they got a dominant defense with an awesome pass rush. So if I'm the Packers, like, listen, our offense is going to be a little hit or miss, but if we can get home games at Lambeau, we are going to be tough to beat. So clearly got to win the division. And who knows, with Philly, right, you kind of start rooting for the Bears. You want the Bears to beat the Eagles and then you beat the Bears. And speaking of the Bears, it's been pretty cool if you're a Bears fan because of how shitty you have been. It'd be like if next year the New York Giants are 8 and 3 or 8 and 4. It's like, well, you've played nobody. You're like, I don't care. Have you watched us play for the last decade? We are apologizing to nobody. And I mentioned this to Coward once. He got sacked by TJ Watt in the play in the end zone where the Pittsburgh Fell on it, and the Steelers went up 14 7.
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Colin Coward
I went.
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John Middelkopf
I could kind of see them implode in this game. And not only did they not implode, I thought Caleb showed a lot of mental fortitude. I should. I thought he showed a lot of mental toughness, and I thought he played the best second half he has all season, given how it kind of started, how it could have got away from him. And he was getting rid of the ball fast. He makes explosive plays, obviously, as a scrambler, is excellent. And the other thing was, for the first time in a while, and the Bears are one of the better rushing attacks in the NFL. I think technically they're number two. I don't know what they are. After a day they were not running the ball well at all. So a lot of pressure. And listen, their defense isn't any good. So the pressure was on Caleb and he came through. Like comparing Caleb Williams and J.J. mcCarthy. Caleb Williams like Joe Montana or Tom Brady compared to J.J. mcCarthy. Like, there is no arguing that if you're a Vikings fan. Like, this guy stinks and it doesn't bring me joy. I'm not. I'm not rooting against him. But you can't wear that war paint. You can't look like a Viking going out to battle and then play like that. If you're going to wear that war paint, you got to be good at football. It works in college if you're on the number one team in the country. It does not work in the pros if you're throwing two or three interceptions a game. So props to Caleb. And luckily for if you're a Bears fan, the Vikings are in absolute shambles. And the Lions are kind of leaking oil as well. I've said this for a while. The Steelers are in full implosion mode. They're just not that good. And if it's not for TJ Watt making some incredible play, they're just not very good. Their offense, I mean, Mason Rudolph was dinking and dunking my eyes to death today. It's like, can you push the ball down the field? And then he would try, and it wasn't even close. And JJ JJ Watt, who has a fantastic head of hair as a bald man, who is pretty good judge of other people's lettuce, J.J. watt, I don't know if he's a 10 out of 10. That'd be like Brad Pitt, but he's like a 9. Just a remarkable head of lettuce on that man's head, but his brother and that team is Going to circle the drain now. The Ravens are not very good either. Lamar Jackson looks like he's like 70% right now. He's clearly banged up, doesn't quite have the same juice. They were just kind of playing with their food today against the Jets. They still won the game. Henry had a couple touchdowns, but they look kind of like a one and done team as well. Obviously the Bengals stink and the Browns have three wins, but at least they're somewhat interesting because they got Miles Garrett now Shador. But they're not any good as a team either. So the AFC north went from was it a couple of years ago. We're like, that's the best division in football to now being like that division stinks. So I'd be stunned. It's a one playoff bid division. Whoever wins the division will be the four seed. And I think depending on who they play, more than likely they are a one and done team. Couple things. Now, Monday Night Football, one story that went pretty viral over the weekend, this Brandon IUK situation. And I read Mike Silver and Diana's article. I watched Kyle Shanahan's press conference. I saw Rap Sheet and Garofolo and some of those guys on NFL Network chime in. And I gotta be honest, as we head to Monday Night Football and I follow this team as close, if not closer, than any other team in the league. I'm really confused. I do not quite understand what's going on because the story broke that IUK is going to give up $25 million and not even fight it. I went in one. You cannot do that as a human being. Unless you're like Bezos, like, I mean, super, super rich. No one ever just willingly gives up $25 million. And you'd be like, john, what if something egregious happens and he doesn't want it to get out? Well, Kyle Shanahan mentioned yesterday this situation all started in July. Well, training camp kind of starts in July. What's the worst thing that could happen? He doesn't show up day one in July. That doesn't get $25 million voided. There are still more holes in this story than there are answers. I do not quite understand what is happening and we don't have enough details because it does not make sense. It does not pass the sniff test. Especially when Kyle Shanahan goes, yeah, I take it back. If he's healthy, he'll play. By no means is it over. Now maybe he's saying that because some team lawyers tell him to say that. But then Garofolo and Rap Sheet are saying like, yes, it's not out of the realm possibility that he still plays this season for the 49ers. I'm like, what? What the fuck are we talking about? This, this is a story that is typically made for those type teams that win like two or three games. Underrated. Part about the 49ers in the Shanahan era, they've won a lot of games, but they've had some weird stuff going on. Now, clearly this situation, they regretted this contract. I feel like the moment the ink dried, the day he signed it, if they could have a do over over any contract or any situation, probably be Trey Lance because they want the first rounders back. But in terms of a veteran player that they resigned, it would be this. Because this has just been a disastrous situation. Honestly, pretty embarrassing for everyone involved that you're voiding guarantees. And clearly something weird enough happened that just the guy is not gonna fight it. John Lynch's agent is also Brandon Iuk's agent. I. I just know this. There are things that do not add up. They do not pass the smell test. That is this situation. I'm still waiting for more shoes to drop before I like just crush or take a position because even Kyle said never had this happen. What happened? What did he do? Not show up, not show up, gets $25 million voided? In what fucking world? That's why you have a players union. And then he's like, nah, just don't even fight it. What agent and what union representative allows that to happen? Most times in situations it could be like 300 grand. It could be like an $800,000 bonus. And your agent, the union would fight for it, let alone $25 million. I just, honestly, I'm at a loss. I felt more confused. Like I felt like reading that article. I'm like, this is weird. And then I watched Kyle talk and he's like, oh, this happened in July. Happened in July. Not enough could happen in July to make this happen. And then I started thinking like, is Kyle trying to be careful about saying something that he'll regret? And then obviously people chimed in today saying that he could come back. I'm like, what? I found myself more confused at the end of the weekend than I did at the beginning when I first read the article. But just the classic situation of what a disaster, you know, I think the 49ers, if they are able to truly void this money, they got pretty lucky to get out of this situation because they do not want any part of The Brandon Iuk business. Now speaking Monday Night Football. You know, think about it. The Rams, the Eagles, the Lions, the Packers, the Bears. I mean this is the playoffs. The 49ers and the Panthers. This is a pseudo playoff game as well. Like there is a lot on the line in this game. The one thing I will say, because I think a lot of people, myself included right now, the line, seven and a half. I do think taking the Panthers plus seven and a half is the right pick. Two things though make me a little nervous if I'm taking that bet. One, from the 49ers perspective, they're a bright lights team. Kyle Shanahan has coached a lot of these Monday and Sunday night games. Last time I checked, he's won a lot of them. Think about this year, Sunday night when he had a bunch of injuries against the Atlanta Falcons, dominated them. Thursday night with Mac Jones against the LA Rams. What happened there? Won it in overtime. Now you're playing the Panthers. Bryce Young's never played a big game in the pros. He just hasn't. Now I do give him credit. He's shown some mental toughness. He's hung in there. Clearly Ted McMillan looks like an excellent draft pick. But what have the Panthers been in this environment? Now if you're going to go into this environment, it's kind of like Shador, listen, making your first start a lot of pressure. Even he admitted, felt like everyone's looking at me. People are rooting for me to fail. It's much easier to go up against the Raiders than like the Packers. So it's much easier if you're the 49ers to play a team with just a lot of unknowns than the Rams or Seattle in this spot. But I just have a hard time seeing the Panthers winning on Monday Night Football at Levi's Stadium. I think the 49ers offense, Kittle McCaffrey, Pearsall's back now, Juwan Jennings, you know Purdy obviously was really good against the Arizona a week ago. I think they're scoring 30 plus. And to me the question is obviously the Niners defense beside like Lenore is a bunch of guys you've never heard of. It's a lot of random players. And no matter how good your defensive coordinator is in the highest levels of college and the highest, obviously the NFL. You gotta have some Jimmies and Joes to go with the X's. No's on defense, I can scheme guys open on offense, great offensive coordinators have made random guys look good on offense. It's Hard to make random guys look good. Playing defensive end. You can either bend the edge, have a bull rush, you know, overwhelm a guard, or you can't. You can either make an open field tackle or you can't. And that's the question mark with the 49ers. Do they have the Jimmy's and the Joes that at least can make a couple stops? Now you're playing a quarterback that Monday Night Football. Lot of hype like this bucks in shambles. You're in position to win the division. I mean, if, if Carolina wins this game, I have a hard time, especially depending on what Baker's injury is. They're going to be division champs more likely. As crazy as that sounds. They lose this game, who knows? And I just, I have a hard time closing my eyes and just seeing Bryce Young dominate on Monday Night Football. Maybe I'm wrong. He obviously was good last week against Atlanta. Ted McMillan's been a stud. Even Leggett started showing a little bit. Duoddle's good. They got some good offensive pieces. They got a good offensive line, went healthy. Dave Canales has clearly been pretty solid. Like he's a good offensive coordinator. I know he's the head coach, but he calls the plays. But I'm taking. I like the 49ers to win. I like Carolina to cover, so I'm taking Carolina plus seven and a half. I like Ricky Pearsall score touchdown. I like George Kittle to score a touchdown, and I like Ted McMillan to score a touchdown. That plays over 20 to 1. So I put that little parlay together on Hard Rock Bet. So I do think 7 1/2 with the 49ers defense, especially with a backdoor cover like the 49ers to win outright. But that's, that's a lot of points for a defense that's rolling out a practice squad roster. Have a great night. See you later.
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Jenna Kim Jones
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