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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - REACTION to the Ravens-Buffalo Bills THRILLER + Recapping NFL Week 1
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Ebay things People love the volume what is going on everybody? How are we doing? We all just witnessed. Well Literally, I just witnessed one of the craziest games you will ever see. The Bills pull off a crazy comeback against the Ravens. No clue how they won that game. I imagine the Ravens, I don't even know how they're going to speak to each other on the flight home because that was. They got to be shell shocked. We'll dive into that game, everything that came out of it. Two quarterbacks, two MVPs that are just incredible players, different players, but just awesome. That was, that's as good of NFL theaters it can get. You could tell even Collinsworth, who's just a football addict was blown away. I mean that, that was, that was great entertainment. So we will dive into that. Some other stuff from the packers to Brock Purdy's game winning pass to Rogers to Bo Nicks to the Dolphins. We got a lot going on. I mean it's hard to keep up with it all. 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That's Johan for $20 off down the Game Time app today. Last minute takes, lowest prices guaranteed. Wow. I am honestly, this is probably 15, 20 minutes. Not even maybe 10 minutes from that game ending. And I am still shell shocked. I mean, I had written down things like this is just an awful matchup. This is the type team you just desperately want to avoid in the playoffs. The Ravens really have no excuse. They are the best team in football and eventually you're either going to win a Super bowl or just going to talk to about you. It was like, what the hell happened with that run? Because at one point in time, this game, it felt like they were going to win it by double digits. And we all watch football all day today. Clearly there wasn't. I mean, maybe the packers, but the Ravens have been doing this for a long time. I mean, they've been a number one seed back in 2019. They were one seed a couple years ago. They had the Bills on the ropes last year on the road. It's just this team is a complete squad and you're like, they are curb stomping these guys. It's not Josh Allen's fault or the offense. I just kept thinking, how does Brandon Bean and I'm getting DMS and texts. Why does the Bill's defense look so small? Why does Derrick Henry look bigger than everyone on the Bills defense except a defensive lineman or two? I'm like, I don't know. But this is not a fair fight. If this was boxing or ufc, they would be in different weight classes. It was like heavyweight versus a lightweight, a featherweight. And then all of a sudden, Derrick Henry fumbles the ball. The Bills get the ball back, score. Don't get a two pointer because they never do in these games. Call the top three straight timeouts that, you know, I think you could have gone forward on fourth down. I know Tariko was like, are you. What do you mean go for it on fourth down? You give it to him right here in field goal range. Well, the Ravens had not been stopping Josh Allen and he was in rare form tonight. And I had written down one thing early in the game, even when I thought they were going to lose is they kind of remind me of Denver with Nikola Jokic where even last year you're like, I don't know how good Denver's Denver is, but you watch him, you're like, he's an unstoppable force. So he could play an all star team. I remember he did in the Olympics versus America. And you're like, this motherfucker might just take him down by himself. That's how Josh Allen feels on the Bills because you're watching Lamar, who is also fantastic. You're watching Derek Henry, who I did a little research mid game because I'm like, is this guy going to run for 1800 yards at 31 years old? Has there ever been a guy, at least in recent memory be this good, this fast, this explosive at his age, where's he going to end when his career is over? So I look at the all time rushing leaders, Derek has over 1100 yards, you know, or I mean 11,000 yards throughout his career. If he keeps going at a pace just somewhat similar to recent years, I think there's a very good chance he gets in the top five if he can stay healthy for a couple more years. So you have this all time great running back, one of the most dynamic quarterbacks on, you know, I don't know, top two or three organization, league. They're good at every position, they're always big, they're always physical, they replace guys and the Bills just don't quite feel like that. Even though they've hit on players, mainly on offense. Dion Dawkins, a stud cook, is an awesome running back and they've got this generational player at quarterback. But it does feel like, listen, their defense did give up a lot of plays in the second half but for the most part throughout the season, like their defense is pretty nails. I mean a couple of years ago they were the best defense in the league. And it feels like the Bills one are kind of small, pretty dependent on some D linemen making plays. Now in fairness, we had Stuckey on, I guess we recorded with him on Thursday. He's like, listen, the Bills are banged up in their secondary. I mean the first rounder's injured, they bring Trey White back, he's injured, they have a bunch of injuries, they're playing with random dudes back there and there are moments in this game where you felt that where Zay Flowers would catch the ball, he'd look around, he'd look around, he'd eat a sandwich, he'd slam a Water and then back. I'm gonna run like 20 more yards. There's no one in sight. You're like, this is, this shouldn't be that easy. But that's what makes football so fun. Because tonight there were point in time where you're just like, this just doesn't really feel like the Bills have a chance. But it's so much fun to watch these two quarterbacks. Like you couldn't help but just stay locked in on your couch. And then that happened. And I can't imagine being, I'm on text threads with Bills fans. I got multiple that's game, that's ball game. This is over six, especially when Henry scored the second touchdown. But it's what makes the reality television show that is the NFL so special because those quarterbacks are all time greats. Those teams now this rivalry. The other thing that I wrote down that if this was basketball and this is before the Bills won the game, this is probably like a quarter to go. That if this was a seven game series and I know the Bills won in the playoffs and it was a really incredible game, but if they played 10 times, it felt like the Ravens win, it would win eight or nine. If this was basketball or baseball and they had to play a seven game series, it would feel like the Bills would have no chance. But it's football and in a one game scenario, a guy gets injured, a guy turns the ball over, anything can happen. Look at the playoff game. Lamar had a fumble and Lamar had a pick and I think that led to, I'm pretty sure, I know seven points, maybe 10 points. But it was a huge swing in that game. Obviously tonight the fumble led to an immediate touchdown which changed the course of the game. I mean really, they got the ball within a play, right at the one yard line. And you're watching tonight going, this is what makes the league so special because you're watching just guy for guy. Like I don't think the rosters are equals, but that is the power at quarterback. And if you watch today, like the power of Jaden Daniels, are the Washington commanders some all star team? You could argue they're maybe a little bit better on offense than they were last year. But he's resurrected the franchise. He's that, that, that's the importance of this position, especially in the pros more than college where even if there is a gap, like you have 15, 20% better players than I do, one quarterback can shrink that gap immediately. And you saw tonight Josh Allen, like that's as good as it gets. I Mean, the physicality of his running, the ability to make the throws on the run. And one thing Collins were said, like, it's well documented how much Lamar Jackson has improved from the moment he got in the league to where he is now. The touch passes, his ability to throw in the pocket, outside the pocket. But the guy won the Heisman Trophy in college. Like, part of the, what made it so controversial, like him coming out in the pros was obviously what Polian said. But like, you know, sometimes the running, dynamic quarterbacks, it's probably less so even five, six, seven years later. But it was like, is this really going to work? If anyone that watched that game against Mississippi State, but still we were kind of nitpicky. Josh Allen was legitimately inaccurate. Now he was playing at Wyoming with probably a bunch of insurance salesmen. But if you watched him even in some of those games against Iowa and Oregon, you're like, I don't think it's going to work. And you watch him now, you're like, that's fucking John Elway. This is like one of the best players I've ever seen. Like Lamar Jackson, we all, we all agree. Most dynamic player, I'd argue in my life. I'd put him right up there with Steve Young. He's, he's a much more complete player than Michael Vick. You know, I was, I was a little young for like peak prime Randall Cunningham, but I think it's as good as it gets because the Steve Young that I grew up on didn't run as much and was much more of a pocket quarterback than probably the guy in the 80s. You know, Michael Vick probably was more of a deep ball thrower, obviously an excellent runner, but he got hurt a lot. You watch Lamar, it's like he's incredible at avoiding hits, getting on the ground, throwing over the middle. He's fantastic at. He throws a great outside the numbers ball. He's just a complete player. But you watch Josh Allen, like, I don't remember John Elway in his prime. I remember the guy. This one's for John, right in the late 90s with Mike Shanahan being carried by Terrell Davis in a really good defense. I've seen YouTube highlights of the guy that could run around and throw these bullets. You're watching tonight, you're like, that's as good as it gets. And that's why so many teams since Josh Allen has come in the league has taken big swings on quote unquote. On quote unquote. Prototypes. This guy's big. He's fast. He's got a huge arm. There's only one of these guys. And what he's become is a lot like what Jaden's done to the commanders. Like the Bills were a joke. You know, if you're, if you're my age. There was such a long period of time when the Jim Kelly, Marv Levy, Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas, when that era fell apart, basically from the start of the Internet in the early 2000s up until Josh got there, they fucking sucked. They were awful. I'm watching tonight thinking the Ravens have been good basically my entire life. I'm 40 years old, since I was in junior high, high school, like late 90s through the 2000s. Up till now, they have been playing in primetime games on Sunday night and Monday night since back with Peyton Manning, probably to Brett Favre through now. And they are not going away anytime soon. I'm thinking there was a long period of time, definitely probably a decade and a half where you wouldn't have dreamed about putting the Buffalo Bills on Sunday Night Football as really the heavyweight fight of the weekend, right? Even tomorrow, the Bears and the Vikings, it's a sexy matchup. It's fun. But you probably. It's smart to do it week one, because week seven, who knows, you could put Bill's Ravens Week one, week six, week ten, it wouldn't matter. It is one of easily the best games of the year before the game even kicks off. Obviously, this, I don't want to get ahead of myself. Could be the game of the year. I mean, that was, that was incredible theater. But to have the Bills be the equal of the Ravens now in a weird way where it felt like they got outplayed, kind of owned them, right? Own them in the sense that they beat him now twice in a row. I can't even imagine what everyone on the Ravens, including the coaching staff, just sitting in the locker room right now, you know, taking off their spats and taking off their pads and just sitting there getting some water. Gatorade, just shell just in silence. What would you even say? How could you even utter words now? Luckily, once, like the emotion comes down, I mean, they could be the best team in the league. They should compete for the number one seed throughout the year. Now, their division is much harder than the Bills because even when it looked like the Bills were going to lose by 10, the thing I kept thinking is, well, the Dolphins, I mean, got a chance to be one of the worst teams we've ever seen. The Patriots are going to have growing pains all year Long. And that might have been the best effort we see from the jets throughout the season. So this team is probably at worst going. I mean, 4 and 2 would be insane in the division. There's a decent chance they go six. Now, probably even if they had lost the game, you're talking a 13 win team, then you win the game, you go, God, could they get to 15? And one thing that's important, and I'd say this for the Ravens too, is that the home field advantage is really, really big. Like, if the game was going like it was and this game was in Baltimore, would there have been enough juice in the place? Even with Josh Allen pulling plays out of his, you know what, scrambling around, making throws to his left, making throws to his right, Keon Coleman jumping up, Kincaid making plays. I don't know. Probably not. So having home field advantage, and I said the same thing about the Ravens is really, really big. It's really, really important. And this is the type game that when the dust settles, like, because let's face it, last year, Ravens lose some random games throughout the year. I remember they didn't they lose the Browns last year, like Jameis Winston, it's the NFL. You could win 13 games, what it would be four of your losses. Two of those four losses could come against bad teams in November and December. This is kind of the way the sport works. So, man, what a win by the Bills. I still think the Ravens are really, really good. Remember last year, too. Like, the Bills defense, I don't have that much faith in. Now they can improve with guys come back, especially their first rounder from Kentucky. So maybe their past defense gets a little bit better. But their linebackers always look small. And I mean, Derek Henry always looks just way bigger than their guys. Now, in fairness, he's like the biggest running back in, I don't know, the history of the league. I mean, he looks like a defensive end, but I just. Man, that, that was. That. That was nuts. One pet peeve I have, I. And we were talking about this before, we press record here. I do understand, even though I don't necessarily always agree with it, but I get it. The whole point of a game is to try to win it, right? So when you're down 14 points in the fourth quarter, you score and you get seven points, right? You then got to score again, seven points, the game is tied. So the numbers, elitists, I'll call them, always tell you you go for two when you score to make it six. So you can just win the game. Worst case scenario, you don't get the 2, you're down 8, you can still tie the game that they're big on that. I don't understand going for two in that same situation. Even in a crazy game like this, with a quarter and a half to go, there is just too much to play out throughout the game. And then you find yourself, if you miss the two point conversion and then you start chasing points and you miss another two point conversion, it throws you all out of whack. So even if I've semi come around on, okay, I understand it, even though I don't always agree with it, I can't comprehend making that maneuver with, I don't know, 20 plus minutes left to go in the game. Actually more than that, because when the Bills first did it in the third quarter, I think there were 8 minutes to go in the third quarter. So you have a quarter and more than, I mean, quarter and a half more even. I just, I didn't understand it. Now it all worked out in their favor. They ended up winning by one. But I don't, I thought that was a little crazy. And then he finally scores and he kicks, he kicks the field goal. So I don't know, I just, I think sometimes with the number stuff and listen, coaches are old school, so once they make that change, do you know what it tells you? The owner slash the front office has a lot of juice and they're telling them to do that and they know that if it fails, because I don't think that's what Sean McDermott would normally do, but he knows that if it does screw up and it does not come up in his favor, as in they don't get the two point conversion, no one will be mad at him because the chart speaks for itself and the owner understands the chart. You know, someone forwarded me today and it's been going viral, even though it was, it was something. A situation from last year is Jim Irsay's daughter likes to be on the headset during the game. I don't know if she was today, but last year she spent time on the headset during the game. And I had a couple people on like Instagram forward me the article. Like, what I thought of this in my initial take is you could understand some, I guess of just the tone they're talking, but you could put me and you on the headset, let alone an owner. If you put me on a headset with people speaking Chinese or French, I, I'd be able to understand when they were screaming at each other. But I'd have no clue what they were talking about. So she could be on the headset 17 games, just like 99% of fans could be. You would not know what's going on because you don't speak football language. That is the place. So when they're the majority of the stuff on the headset is them talking about play calls and it's a foreign language unless you know the playbook, which no one would. So I see some of these situations, the analytical community, because so many teams have invested so much in the stats or that side of the business, because the owners all come from the business community. They understand, you know, talking numbers that they do stuff that I feel like these coaches are not comfortable doing, but they know that they're not going to get in trouble. They know there's no recourse of getting mad at me. Honestly, you get mad at me when I don't follow the numbers. So I think most of them have kind of gone. Sirianni, you know, John Harbaugh did this years ago going forward on two all the time. I was honestly and going forward on fourth down a little surprised when the Ravens punted to the Bills that they didn't go for it. And even Collinsworth brought it up like I would go for it right here or like they could easily justify going for it. And I kind of thought he would. And when he didn't, maybe it's week one, maybe he would be a little more likely to do it later in the season. But I wonder if he had that to do over again. He would have gone for it right there. We are extremely excited to announce our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock bet. 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Matt Jones
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're gonna get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. Have you sold that?
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John Middlekauff
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Might wanna go back to the Drawing board at the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might wanna go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah, I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
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John Middlekauff
It's worked for generations.
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Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73.
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John Middlekauff
He is a young 73.
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Matt Jones
He is spry, I would say. I wouldn't fight him. I would listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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John Middlekauff
Man, I am just. That was crazy. That, that. That was really, really fun. I. I am fascinated by Derek Henry. I. I really am. Because most running backs, as they age, they slow down. He looks like he's as fast as ever, as explosive as ever, as talented as ever. I mean, he's had. I mean, he had 1900 yards last year. I mean, what do you have tonight? 180? I know he had the bad fumble, but he is that pickup. You know, we talk so much about Saquon Barkley because he won the super bowl. He had 2,000 yards. He got another contract extension this off season. Derrick Henry has been every bit as big of a pickup for them. And again, I know he fumbled the ball, which, I mean, eventually, I guess cost them the game, but they were also dominating the game because of him and his running and ability to. They have to spend so much energy and effort Kind of corralling him. So on any of those kind of quarterback running back keep give plays, everyone goes to 22. And as the game went on, how often did Lamar keep it and took off? I mean, there was a stretch today where Lamar scrambled around, ran for like 20 or 25 yards and then Derek Henry next play, bust a touchdown run. Like, what are you supposed to do? Guys feel like video game players. It had a little bit of a feel like back when Tyree killed Travis Kelsey and Mahomes when Mahomes first started. Like, what's going on here? But usually when you have those type moments, you win the game. So they're having these moments and then they lose the game and they're looking. It's like that team beat us twice, two times in a row. And there's a little, I don't want to say little brother syndrome when it comes to Sean McDermott and Jim Harbaugh. You know, Sean McDermott was much lower on the totem pole early on in Philly when they were both on the same staff. John Harbaugh was the more established guy. He special teams coordinator, worked with Jim Johnson gets the head coaching job and Sean kind of works his way up. John's older, just, just fascinating. Kind of Andy Reid tree there of two guys going at it. But what a freaking game. What a game. Okay, where do we want to start? Let's start with some of the biggest losers because why not? I'm not going to beat a dead horse. We've been talking about this for a while. During training camp, every team that would scrimmage these guys and do joint practice, and they did two. They did one with Detroit and I think they did well, Minnesota, I can't remember correctly. There were comments coming out from the other team of basically what? What? I'm not sure what's going on over there. Specifically when they played the Lions, there were players for Detroit in the joint practices saying, like, that's. I don't know what they're doing over there. And I heard some people, I think, trying to be like, if you go, if every single person hangs a right and you are the one person that hangs a left, especially doing sports predictions and you get it right. You look like a genius, but I don't really know what that gets you. It's not like anyone cares that much. Right. It's easy to make fun when everyone's picking a game like on Monday Night Football and everyone picks the wrong team and that team posts it out like happens all the time. But when it's like, yeah, Miami sucks. Miami's not any good. No chance Miami's any good. And there's a couple people like, I think Miami is actually going to be decent. And this felt like, well, the situation, I don't think it was a soul. Everyone's like, yeah, it's going to be a long year now. If you. I think they were probably going to compete for the number one overall draft pick. Some people might be like, I could see them win five, six, seven games. Like, okay, they got two. They won some games, especially September and October before. Not that crazy you looked up today. They're playing Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Now the Colts, they got good players on the roster. They got multiple impact guys on offense, they got some good players on defense. You know, in theory they have a good coaching staff. But it was like 20 to nothing at halftime. And two is throwing picks, air mailing people. You look up at one point in time you like had like 60 yards passing at one point during the game, you're like, this is, this is awful. And then by the end of the game and he's given a press conference, people are forwarding me things about him, talking about pressure. It's like, listen, I, I get no joy. And honestly at this point in time, I try to avoid watching anything. Mike McDaniel, when it comes to press conferences, I don't find it very interesting. I find it kind of uncomfortable at this point and really, it's just sad. I knew it was over the moment when all the people making the most money on his team wouldn't show up to his meetings on time. One of the most basic elements of respect in any industry, especially when there's a clear hierarchy. There's a small percentage of jobs that have such a clear hierarchy with a lot of people in the building, right? You got 53 players, you got a coaching staff, 15, 20 guys. But the head coach, once the season starts, is the, is the leader of that entire group. So when there's a meeting at 8am, when there's a meeting at 10am, whenever there's a meeting, a team meeting, you know you're showing up on time for that guy. So, you know, if you're late in Baltimore, Harbaugh is going to be on your ass. And listen, it's the NFL. They'll find you. Like a lot of times they don't even waste that much time. They find you. It's sometimes, listen, we all, we got a flat tire. Something happens. Every human being screwed up, right? Jeff Bezos is screwed up. So I'm not saying that being late to a meeting. We've all been late a time or two. I don't care how punctual you are. But it was like Mike McDaniels. No one will listen to me. I don't know. Fines don't work. I was like, this. This thing's over. And that was a year after Fangio was like, get me out of here and this thing's going to get really ugly. So I guess you call them the biggest loser today, but I think we all saw this coming. One thing that concerns me a little bit is I've said this about Caleb and Drake May is a lot of their numbers and a lot of their stats last year came when they were down big because they were always down big. The Patriots and the Bears were getting their ass kicked in the first half, half of games constantly. So, for example, when people give me, well, Caleb was 20 and 6, I watched a decent amount of Bear games. It felt like every single game, 17, nothing, 24 nothing, 23, three at halftime. So when you're in games like that and Your team is 7, 8, 10 games under.500, I don't take anything seriously that happens in the second half. And if I'm going to be fair to Caleb, I put Drake May in that box. But I was like, listen, I want to like the guy. He seems like a fun player. You get Mike Vrabel, you get Josh McDaniels. A lot of you guys have pushed back and said, john, you keep calling Josh McDaniels a great OC. Well, Belichick has taken so much shit as all Brady. How's Josh McDaniels? Not under the same umbrella because in my pushback, always. Well, there's a one season with Mac Jones. They made the playoffs. Well, today I just don't see it with Drake May. Now, listen, it's one game. They don't have that much talent on offense. I just watch a guy. It's like, I don't know if I can just bet on him to be some franchise changer. And if I'm going to be hard on him, I also got to be hard on the offensive coordinator. Because every single time Josh McDaniels has gotten away from Bill Belichick, it's been an epic failure. So I'm not writing this team off like the Miami Dolphins, but I would say this. Today you're playing at home against the Raiders. And listen, we'll get into the Raiders here in a second. I think you kind of got to win that game. If we're going to take you seriously. And they just look, they just look bad. I mean, they truly looked really, really bad offensively and defensively. But offensively, all I've heard is like this guy's a franchise quarterback. And hell, I'm probably guilty of just saying that. Josh McDaniels, they'll get them, right? You bring in Henderson, you bring in some guys, they're going to be good. And then they were terrible. The other WTF moment today was I, like many people, I'm high on the Broncos now. Their defense looks fantastic. The team speed, the pass rush, the dbs, I mean, that's a group of freaks. I mean that, that defense is going to kick some serious ass this season. But the quarterback was atrocious. I mean, that performance by Bo Nicks today was an embarrassment. Now I kind of like the Titans. If you told me the Titans make the playoffs this year as 7 seed, there are crazier things that can come out of your mouth. Now if I was a betting man, do I feel confident they're going to make the playoffs? I don't. If you told me they're in the mix in December, I do expect that. I think they are going to be a very, very feisty team. And their young quarterback, it doesn't get any more difficult than going to Denver Mile High and playing that defense. He is going to have some really good days throughout the season. I think their defense is actually pretty solid. Bonix was atrocious. He threw multiple interceptions. He had an awful fumble and there were just countless drives where it just looked like it's like the first game he's ever played in the NFL. The interception he threw out of half was I the worst pick I saw of the day. There were other interceptions today that was the worst pick, you know, to a floated one. Purdy floated one. There were some bad interceptions that could have been intercepted by multiple guys. The guy wasn't even remotely open and the DBs were both in front of him waiting for him. So if the Broncos are going to be a contender because. And when I say contender, I don't mean a team that wins 10 games to make the playoffs. This is a 10 win defense. Even if the offense had me playing quarterback, they need their quarterback to be a legitimate guy. In Sean Payton, which I respect, talks to everybody. He is very well connected in the media and honestly, he's not one of those guys that like, don't put my name on it. He's like, quote me on that. I respect his bravado. He's Got a little Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells. He doesn't give a shit, which makes him great. That's why media people like him, because he'll give you great quotes. He'll just tell it like it is. But he has been anointing. This guy is like the mobile Drew Brees. And you watch him today, you're like, this looks like the mobile practice squatter. So there is. Listen, you win, you never apologize for winning in the NFL. I do think there's a little bit of like, we got to fix whatever the hell that was. And if it doesn't fix it, we got no chance to compete in this conference against these quarterbacks. Some of the big winners today, obviously, the Green Bay packers getting Micah Parsons was a huge deal. And in 2025, the first round picks they gave up for Micah Parsons do not matter. They have nothing to do with anyone because they don't exist. They're literally playing on Saturdays now. So those don't impact this team. Kenny Clark does. So in 2025, for as of today, it was Kenny Clark for Micah Parsons, which every team in the history of sports would have made. And obviously, Micah didn't practice all preseason training camp. So he's. He's on a pitch clock. Crazy. His back was fixed. Are you telling me that a team that gave a guy $188 million knew that his back wasn't an issue? When he chased down Goff for that first sack of his Packer career and he was running like he was DK Metcalf or something, I was like, God, his back looks pretty loose. Yeah, no shit. Which I got no problem with. It's what he had to do to piss Jerry off. But the packers beat the living piss out of the Lions. Now, I told this to Colin. This was a way bigger game for Green Bay than it was Detroit. Green Bay went 15 at home, and against Detroit last year, they lost both games. And I vividly remember sitting on the couch behind me watching the game in the middle of the season against the Lions. And it was ugly. They got worked. I remember they kind of came back late, but it wasn't. The Lions owned them. So there was some of like, we need to beat this team. And to this Micah Parsons bringing him the juice. In Green Bay division, we're not a one in five division team. We're a team with super bowl aspirations and have to go above.500 in the division. And to go above.500, the division, like, you got to take care of your home divisional games. So if you go three Zero. All you got to do is go one and two. In the other games you're four and two. Boom. The packers looked awesome in the first half. One thing that was hard to kind of figure out and wrap your head around when you're arguing or talking with someone about football is like, Jordan Love good. What's Jordan Love's deal? I'm like, well, the first half of his career or his. For his essentially rookie year starting after they traded Aaron Rodgers and he became the full time starter, I was like, I don't think this guy's good. And even Gudekens went on the record during the buy was like, yeah, he's got like 10 games to kind of figure it out or we got problems. And then he goes on like this eight game stretch to end the season. We're like, is this Aaron Rodgers? He beats the Cowboys. I'm like, this guy's a stud. They throw him a bunch of cash. Then last year against the Eagles, he gets injured and it kind of derails their whole season. Not derails like they win three or four games, they're still good team. But he's in and out of the lineup. He ends up hurting his hand as well throughout the year. It's just, it was just a bizarre. I think it was hand injury. I know he hurt his hand as well this injury this year, but he had multiple injuries but starting with the ankle last year or knee against the Eagles. And it just, it was clunky. And today in the first half, he's 12, 16, he throws a couple touchdowns, but just he went back, he's confident. Boom. Layered throws, stick throws like this fucking guy's slinging this thing. They're up 17 to 3 before you blink. They're just cruising in the game. It's like, well, if they get that version of that guy, they can win the super bowl, they can compete to win the nfc. They can beat any team in the league. When that guy's playing at that level, the way he played that playoff game against the Cowboys, they can beat anyone because their defense now with Halfley is really good. It's just a well coached defense. Part, part of the downfall of the Packers. Why the Niners always beat him in the playoffs. Their defense always let them down. McCarthy, Dom Capers was defensive coordinator and then LaFleur had his buddy Joe Barry and it just never really worked. They would always get gashed in the biggest moments. You watch them day though, pretty well run operation now. I'm not going to overreact. The Lions though. I Do think the offensive coordinator is a little concerning? I think defensively sometimes new coordinator, new voice, maybe some new schematic ideas. It can take a little time to figure out. The Ravens are a good example. When it's all said and done, the Ravens are going to be really good on defense. Look at last year, they started off really slow. By the end of the season they were one of the best defense. I still think the Lions will be okay on defense offensively though. To me, the drop off sometimes with offensive coordinators. When it comes to instincts, when it comes to feel, when to it comes your first time coordinator, 55 years old in a league that's dying to hire 35, 37, 38 year old offensive coordinators. I got you red flagged. It's like, oh, Sean Payton, John Gruden, love him. Why did they never name this guy their offensive coordinator? Like I like a lot of people wouldn't hire any of them. They're my good buddies, don't want to work with them. So it's like, I love this guy. Why don't you make him your play caller? Well, I don't love him that much and that's, that's how this thing kind of feels. So I think Lions offensively, something to kind of keep an eye on. I've said this forever. The older I get, the more I admire these people. Pete Carroll's the number one advice I give any human being because we all have different paths and we all have different routes to go wherever we're trying to get right. My route is going to be different than your route. Whether it's professionally, whether it's in relationships, to get married, to have kids. It's. There is no direct path to where everyone's trying to go. Hopefully financial success, financial, you know, professional happiness, personal happiness. We all have different personalities, so we're all going to do things a little bit differently. But if I give most people amount of money at any age, especially past like 55, 60, where money is no issue and you can just retire and chill, the overwhelming percentage of people, even if they're passionate and they love what they do, would just be like, yeah, I'm ready to relax a little bit, hang out with my family. Pete Carroll easily could have ridden off into the sunset and just been like, you know what, I'm 72, 73 years old. I think he was the oldest guy today to get a win in the National Football League. I think I saw that today. Or maybe maybe get his first win with a new team in the National Football League. Might be screwing up the station, but whenever I looked and I had the four box going, they were on the bottom right hand corner. He just looked like he had the same energy and the same love of football he would have had 20 plus years ago. Standing there with Lindell White, Reggie Bush and Matt Leiner 10 years ago with Richard Sherman, Earl Thomas, Cam Chancellor, Russell Wilson, Doug Baldwin and I really admire, obviously his resume speaks for itself. He's going to have, I mean in the Internet era he's easily had one of the greatest football careers besides like Andy Reid and Bill Belichick and like Nick Saban because any even Nick Saban, Andy Reid and definitely Bill Belichick's not winning. Ashley guy won a championship on in both college and the pros. Like that is so unheard of. Especially for a guy to be like feud, yeah, he's kind of struggling in the NFL to become a legendary college coach and then come to the NFL and just constantly win. And honestly he's a poor couple play calls away from probably being a back to back super bowl champ. But watching Pete Carroll, let's face it, legitimize the Raiders because the Raiders and I've been around this team for a long time, they just don't feel legitimate very often. And I had Spy Tech on the podcast before the summer break. He's just a real legitimate guy. He's a high level personnel guy. He's been trained by the right guy. And I remember telling him this, like how lucky you are to get your first job with mostly a dysfunctional organization. And let's face it, most times when a GM gets hired, the place is not doing well. So that's he's not alone. But a lot of times you just hire like this Brian Day Ball or you know, Cliff Kingsbury or just some random coordinator. It's like let's keep our fingers crossed. And more often than not it's a disaster. You get Pete Carroll a guy that is a sure he should be a hall of famer in college and the pros fucking legend who's just, who's like an upbeat, positive guy who has every experience known to man that he has been through with his own eyes, who understands how to evaluate, who understands how to, you know, run a practice. It's like what an awesome thing for John Spytak whether Pete wants to coach three years, seven years, however long it goes. But you watch the Raiders day, you're like, there's a well run organization. And this is where I made the mistake. I thought, you know, Vrabel Josh McDaniels will legitimize the Patriots. They're just going to be good. That was the Raiders. Now in fairness, the Raiders have better players like Geno Smith today, Much better player than Drake May, Max Crosby, best player on the field. Ashton Genty, one of them. He didn't have a great statistical game, but obviously an elite talent, right? Brock Bowers, second best player on the field. Like the Raiders have better players, but we've seen a lot of times that when you get organizations that have talent but the coach and the gm, all these people are over their heads. It doesn't matter when you get Pete Carroll a real head coach. It just looks normal now. Are they a playoff team? I wouldn't go that far. We'll have to find out how good the Patriots are. I'm not going to say I'm going to completely change my tune like they're screwed, but it definitely was a little concerning. But I do know the Raiders is just a real football team and we haven't been able to say that a lot in the last 25 years when it comes to that organization. So props to Pete Carroll. A wingman never leaves your side. They've got your six, come what may. Folds of Honor proudly provides the same unwavering support for families of American heroes. A Folds of Honor Wingman donates $13 a month, which becomes life changing scholarships for the spouses, sons and daughters of fallen or disabled. U.S. service members and first responders join their ranks today as a wingman. More than 3,000 scholarships have been made possible by Wingman donors, preserving legacies and opening doors for the next generation. Your $13 monthly gift is profoundly symbolic. 13 represents the number of times a flag is folded before given to grieving families of American heroes. Each fold a symbol of sacrifice, of honor, of remembrance. 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Matt Jones
Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts pretty. They sold that.
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John Middlekauff
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Might want to go back at the Colt Stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah, I thought the shape we have with pretzels was working pretty well.
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John Middlekauff
It's worked for generations.
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Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73.
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John Middlekauff
He is a young 73.
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Matt Jones
He is spry. I wouldn't fight him. I would listen NFL Cover 0 with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the I My Heart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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John Middlekauff
Now, Aaron Rogers, who I I was watching at halftime, I was like scrolling around, watch some different stuff on YouTube. He obviously now he was asked the question by a reporter about taking it to Aaron Glenn, who made him fly from Malibu to New York and tell him that he doesn't want him anymore. And I remember when Aaron made a big deal about it and my take was like, Aaron, welcome to the reality of the NFL. That conversation literally happens to everyone except.0001% of the league. And for most of those people, they have to retire on their own. Tom Brady's an outlier. Like Roethlisberger and Breeze retired early. Like, if you keep playing and don't want to retire, Jim or say, and the Colts told Peyton Manning he was cut, said, we are moving. Peyton Manning had had that conversation. So Aaron was like shell shocked he had that conversation. But then he said, listen, he basically, like, it was a big deal to, you know, beat that organization over there. I understand. And listen, we all have to generate our own, you know, drive and a chip on our shoulder at different points in time. Especially, you know, Aaron's 41 years old. You got to generate some motivation. But the one thing I will say about the jets is like, yeah, if you want to say, fuck Aaron Glenn, I don't like that guy. He told me to kick rocks. Even if it was the right decision for him to move on. Like, I get Aaron being mad, but the jets did literally everything Aaron wanted. They kissed his feet like, oh, you want, you want Nate Hackett? Do you want us to send a private jet for his, his father and his mother in law as well? Name 70, 17 or 18 players. You want the former teammates and we'll sign them all. What do you want, Aaron? They literally did everything. So for Aaron to like act like the jets did him dirty, I got to disagree a little bit with that. But you throw four touchdowns, you start feeling yourself. I can still play, but yeah, your arm still works. And I feel like I'm being negative right now because I did watch him think, God, he looks pretty old. And the one thing is concerning is like, hey, listen, I think the Steelers could be pretty good if their defense was like the Broncos. But I'm watching Justin Fields look like Michael Vick meets Lamar Jackson. Run around, make passes, make runs. I thought their defense looked atrocious. So I know Aaron threw four touchdowns. Listen, he's going to be able to throw the ball until he's 75 years old, that's never going to be an issue. But what made Aaron great was this superhuman mobility that's kind of gone. He is much closer to a Kirk Cousins or Jared Goff now, Now he's better. He's definitely smarter. I mean he's better in terms of his mind and manipulating everything and his ability to call or snap the ball early did that today and get guys to jump like he's, he's, he's a savant when it comes to playing the position in terms of manipulating using his mind. But his legs now, which made him an all time great player as one of the great playmaking quarterbacks of all time is done. And I said this earlier with Colin and I'm going to say it all season long. He is much closer to the version that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had to be their entire career play within a three or four year radius. Three or four yard radius around the tackle box. That's where you kind of stay. Now Aaron is much more likely because he's gotten away with it his whole life. Throw off that back foot. And today a couple times it was, it was a little dicey because the arm strength is still good. I don't know if it's all time great which it once was. But listen, they won a game on the road. He threw four touchdowns, survived I would say the YOLO moment of the day. I used to say, and I said this last year that Brock Purdy, if he was going to be a great player, had to be like Drew Brees and just be in complete control of the game because his arm strength is not Josh Allen. Right. It's not on the high end of quarterbacks in the NFL. I'm going to retract that. That's not how he plays. He doesn't play like Drew Brees at all. He actually is much more of a gunslinger which gets him in trouble. He threw a couple. He threw one. He threw two interceptions a day. And what the second one was atrocious. He threw it into like triple coverage. Could have like Bo Nix could have been picked by like three guys. Just an awful decision. Now maybe it's because he couldn't see on his first pick and Greg Olson kind of outlined it on during the games. I, you know, I think he just got fooled. That happens. Guys get fooled. You think a guy's not going to be there because Christian McCaffrey was supposed to be, you know, like a check down. But Christian McCaffrey never got out because he was picking up a blitz and the Linebacker didn't have to honor him at all. So he cheated and he got back and Brock threw it right to him. Whatever. I'm not going to make that big a deal over that. The second pick was awful. But his game winning touchdown pass and listen, this shows you the difference between winning and losing in the NFL is so slim. I mean from the Bills Ravens game to the Jet Steeler game to most of these games, it is. The margins are so small. This is not Texas A and M Eastern Western playing Florida state and losing 77 to 0. This is not Alabama playing the school of the Blind. This is not that. This the NFL. These games are really, really difficult. That game could have gone anyway. And literally his game winning touchdown pass, it felt like when it left his hand was going to get intercepted. Why? Because the DB was staring right at him and it looked like he threw it right to him. Somehow a tight end that I've never heard of who's never even had a catch in the NFL because George Kittle who was supposedly in the best shape of his life and early on in the game looked as fast and physical as he's ever looked, pulled his hamstring is out for who knows how long. Brock Purdy just threw it up and his guy caught it and he became the hero instead of the goat. Because if that DB catches that and that's his third interception of the day and they lose this low scoring game because he turns it over countless times in the second half, I don't care the Kittle and Juwan Jennings got hurt. He would have been eviscerated by everyone tomorrow. And listen, overall he made a lot of good decisions. I think he's a pretty solid player. I think Seattle's defense is pretty good. It's fast, it's physical. And he was making plays especially without really, I mean his hall of Fame tight end who got injured early in the game and then Juwan Jennings got bounced late. I mean Brock made some great throws to Ricky Pearsall. Ricky Pearsall looks really good. That's first round pick that, that's. That guy's got a chance to be a stud in the NFL. But man, Brock was an incredible effort by like a third string tight end. From bailing him out to hearing having a very rough weekend. And I mean the kicker on the 49ers, you just can't draft kickers. I, I used to support it be like hey listen, you want to take a kicker in the, or a punter at the end of the third round, as long as the Guy's a really good player. You're not going to hear me criticize the pick much. I've changed my tune. I think under no circumstances can you take a kicker or punter to like at minimum the fifth and even that's pushing it. Too often we see random undrafted free agents become great players. Matt Prater was at home probably playing golf on Monday or Tuesday, gets a phone call, takes a red eye and by Sunday night is running on the field to kick a game winning field goal and gets carried off the field. You do not need to take kickers in the third round. And the other thing is being a good kicker in college doesn't guarantee a damn thing in the pros because they took Jake Moody in the third round and Jim Harbaugh went death taxes and Moody. And all I see is a guy that no one has any faith is going to make a kick. And he missed a kick today that felt like the equivalent of like a 10 yard kick. I mean it was a joke. And then Kyle's freaking out. It's like Kyle, this guy's been missing kicks now for years. You can't get, I can't get mad when I go outside tomorrow and the sky is blue because you know what, the sky is going to be blue on Tuesday, it's going to be blue on Wednesday. It's like this guy misses kicks every single game. This is never going to change as long as he's your kicker. I guess I'll save some of the Caleb Bear stuff for tomorrow. We can talk a little bit about the article depending on how the game goes. We'll end on this. Jon Gruden's coaching. I've said this over and over. He's coaching in 2026. I, I don't exactly know what Miami's going to do. I would lean that they going to go a college coach because I don't think there's a great group of NFL coaches. You know, there's no Mike Vrabel this year. I think Belichick is pretty toxic at this point though. You know, Colin and I discussed it. It's not inconceivable given that the owner was in that division. Maybe he has a soft spot for Bill but doesn't feel like there's going to be a Ben Johnson this year. Now things can change. I do think the Kirby smarts, the Ryan days, the Lane Kiffins, they're all going to be in play for Miami. He's currently suing the NFL and I refuse to get that deep into the nitty gritty but it's been well reported that he's won some injections and it's going, it's continuing. So I wonder if the NFL owners are just like get on board with the raj and be like listen, we'll just leave this guy alone. I think an SEC team is going to hire him. Now what SEC job came open. I was like, well if lsu, if he well I think LSU is going to be pretty good. Probably end up winning, I mean at minimum being like the Final Four. But Brian Kelly's not losing his job. Florida's coming open. Billy Napier just lost to South Florida. I was watching that game on Saturday. Awful loss. Now South Florida might be decent but you can't lose at home if you're Florida to South Florida and now they play LSU this week and they're I think nine and a half point underdog. They're going to lose and they could lose pick and if you look at their schedule, I thought they were good. But you lose South Florida no longer. I think you're good. I think you're actually probably pretty bad and your offense with a star quarterback can't generate any points. You're in major trouble. So I would say my Jon Gruden watch right now all indications would be Florida. So I would say that John Gruden SEC Florida something to keep an eye on. So if you see Billy Napier get his ass kicked this week by lsu, who knows, maybe they fire Billy Napier midseason and Jon Gruden's there before the the end of the college football season but something to keep an eye on. Have a great night, talk to everyone soon and let's rest up and get get back on the wagon tomorrow.
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Matt Jones
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Matt Jones
Hey this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Oh my. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining. And twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. Listen NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your PO.
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West West Prop
All right, West West Prop here from Hood Politics with Prop Podcast. You know I get down. You come from the urban areas. You understand politics more than you giving credit for. Between Jerry out here mandering all over the place. Hop out boys. Snatching up family members and two wars that was supposed to be done in 24 hours. Not to mention Epstein. We had to reach out to the homie Jamel Hill cuz she gonna keep it a century. The American public is used to being entertained. We're a consumption society. So what Trump figured out is entertain them and they'll never question you. Listen to the Hood Politics with Prop podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.