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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Reid or Belichick, Jerry Jones is on one, Coaches and GM's introduced
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What is going on? Happy Pro Bowl Week. Hopefully everyone's having a good Tuesday and thought I'd record a little podcast. Had about 24 hours to let yesterday. Sunday I'm recording this On Monday, the games marinate. Some thoughts on coach Reed. Ton of press conferences today, Jerry Jones see a little off the reservation. We got the jets announced Aaron Glenn, Spy tech and Pete Carroll. Welcome to the Raiders. We got Robert sala, officially the 49ers defensive coordinator. What's it like going back to the well, Kyle Shanahan trying to get a little old former glory right there with old Mr. Sala, my bald brother. And we'll do a little mailbag as well. So @johnmittlecoff. @johnmittlecoff is the Instagram handle. Fire in those DMS and take a couple days this week and then kind of buckle up for next week because we got one more. We got 60 more minutes of football. Obviously we got a lot more because the super bowl goes forever, but you know what I mean? We got one more game left, then we got a lot of fun stuff, you know, the combine, free agency, the draft, your boys getting married. So we got a lot of stuff coming on. I got some ideas for the springtime and we'll just keep pumping them out. So make sure you subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins feed, YouTube channel is alive and rocking. Go subscribe to that as well. All of our content, if you like the video stuff is up there as well. And before we dive into some football game time, they are the best ticketing app in America. They're easily the best ticketing app I've ever used. I've gone to more events over these last couple years because of them. Listen, buying tickets sometimes can be stressful. This app makes it really, really easy. You can search by event, you can search by venue. You can search by the team, college or pro. Go to a concert, go to a comedy show, have some laughs, smile, enjoy yourself. Sometimes you just got to get out of the house. Sometimes it's just time to get out of the house on a Friday night, on a Saturday night and go have some fun. You know, we're all in the rat race trying to keep up with the Joneses grinding along. And sometimes life, you're like, is it passing me by? Do I need to go to a concert? Do I need to go to a game and watch my squad and just have a night out? And yes, you do. So take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game Time. Download the Game Time app, create an account, use the code JOHN for $20 off your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account and redeem the code JOHN for $20 off. Download the Game Time app today. Last minute. Take his Lowest prices, guaranteed. Legacy. I think we hear that word. We use that word a lot. What is someone's legacy? And obviously with public figures, whether you're a musician, an actor, obviously an athlete or a coach, there are ways we quantify that. How many hit songs you've had, how many big movies you've had as an athlete, how many championships you've won, how many games you've won, how much money you've made as a coach, Same type thing. And, you know, I think in football, you have these kind of like, transcendent individuals. Like, I never watched Vince Lombardi coach a game, but Vince Lombardi, to me, of football coaches, is kind of the Babe Ruth. He is a name that. His legacy and his impact was so strong that people discuss him. I'm 40 years old. I was born in the 80s. Vince Lombardi did not coach a game in the 80s, obviously since then, yet he was discussed like he was the greatest coach to ever watch walk the face of this earth. And I still speak like that. We still quote Vince Lombardi. Bill Walsh is a good example. I don't remember watching him ever coach a game in the pros. I kind of mildly remember him at Stanford. But Bill Walsh's entire setup of his organization are things that Mike Shanahan kept, are things that Pete Carroll kept, are things, basically, his philosophical views on how to build a team is what Bill Belichick copied. And Andy Reid, indirectly is from that family, because Mike Holmgren got him his start in the pros working for the Green Bay packers, who had worked under Bill Walsh from the 49ers, and coach Joe Montana and Steve Young. So the cool part about football is all these things are interconnected. I'm watching John Spitek today get introduced with the Raiders. He had the same job, maybe a little different. Who knows? In 2005, as I had in 2010 with the Philadelphia Eagles. He got his start in scouting working for Andy Reid. Howie Roseman became a general manager under Andy Reid. And a lot of personnel guys for Belichick. And we go, could Andy Reid ever eclipsed Bill Belichick? And I would have told you a couple years ago, it's just going to be impossible. It's a numbers game. How's he ever going to get to six championships? And now you look and you go, well, he has a chance in less than two weeks to get his fourth and third in a row, something no coach in NFL history has ever done. And while Belichick, like Andy Reid, has a pretty powerful personnel group, a lot of guys have Worked under Belichick, have worked under Andy Reid and gone on to have success. I would say I think Andy's have had a little more success, but Bill has a lot of guys doing a lot of good things. Adam Peters got his start in New England, just led the freaking Washington Commanders to the NFC Championship game. Nick Casario has turned around the Texans back to back years. They've won a playoff game. But as a coach, like, one thing Bill Walsh had is think about all the guys that worked for him that went on to great success, and that is the one knock on Belichick. It's like, why couldn't anyone leave the Belichick umbrella and go on and do it for themselves? It's like, did he not share anything with anyone else? Clearly Belichick left the New England Patriots and the whole thing just fell apart. That's why they immediately fired Mayo and went right to Rabel. And you look at Andy Reid, I was thinking this yesterday. It's like, well, he just beat Sean McDermott, who got his start with Andy Reid last year. He beat John Harbaugh, both in the conference championship game, who got his start in the pros with Andy Reid. So you're telling me the two other best teams in the AFC are Andy Reid guys? It's like kind of a big deal, you know, I mean, it's. It's like that Belichick doesn't have anything close to that of coaches that had worked for him. It's like, that's the thing with Walsh. It's like, you know, Walsh had Seifert, he had Holmgren, Seifert went on to win. Holmgren went on to win. Seifert hired Shanahan. It's all the web went like this where Belichick. It's like when they're under Belichick, they're kicking ass and taking names. When they leave the nest, it implodes. Well, it's like, if you think about it, Belichick gets a lot of. He went to nine Super Bowls, is there, you know, this is Andy Reid 6. And now Andy Reid is in a category all by himself. No other coach beside Belichick has ever been to that many Super Bowls. So I think at this point in time, you could put him in the argument if you had to. Mount Rushmore of football coaches, you could easily say it's Lombardi, Walsh, Andy Reid and Belichick. And anytime you're nitpicking, who's the best? Some people would say Lombardi is the best. I know where I come from, it'd be hard. You'd be hard pressed to get anyone to come off Bill Walsh. Belichick might tell you as Bill Walsh, I think Belichick's pretty special. What Andy Reid is on right now is the ultimate heater. And if he wins three straight, like that's got to be worth something because it's literally Belichick and Brady never did it. And the thing is, it's like, well, Belichick won some Super Bowls when he worked for parcels as a defensive coordinator. Well, Andy did the same thing. He was like one of Holmgren's right hand men with the Green Bay packers. And Brett Favre won a Super bowl, went to another. So he's had success as assistant coach, dominated as a head coach. And one main point of differentiation is like when they've got their all time great quarterback, they kicked everyone's ass. Andy won with a ton of other quarterbacks. I saw Mike Vick, like, wasn't the easiest guy to play with, even though he was an exceptional talent, right? Little inaccurate, kind of small and got injured a lot. I wasn't there for Donovan McNabb. But good player, solid player, had some flaws. Also little inaccurate. And as we saw in the super bowl back in the day when Terrell Owen snapped on him, like was out of shape. So it's like Alex Smith, just physically pretty limited and he won a ton of games with all those guys. Then you give him Patrick Mahomes just rattling off Super Bowls, he wins this thing. Like he's not 80 years old. I'm not saying he's going to get to six, but I think it would definitely be in the, in the realm of possibility, you know, because this team is going to be better next year. And I never would have thought that a couple years ago. It's like, how are they going to do this? How are they ever going to catch him? It's like, well, now he's starting to like climb the ladder and you can see him seeing Belichick's ass. It's like he's not that far away. He's got to win this game to have a pretty good chance. And if he wins this game, I like, I think it's definitely on the table. I think it would be possible. And that is insane. I don't think anyone would have said that three years ago. But that's what happens when you potentially win three straight championships. And I think his legacy is more than just winning these championships. Where when you think of Bill, it's like greatest defensive mind ever champion. When you Think of Andy, one of the greatest offensive minds ever champion. An incredible human to work for. I know personally change my life. I think there is probably slim to zero chance I'm working with Colin. If I had worked for Doug Marone or some other random coach in the NFL in the 2010s, right? Instead I worked for Andy Reid and Howie Roseman. You know, Howie Roseman is a good example. When Chip got fired and Howie Roseman got put back into this chair of gm. The Eagles since then have been to seven. They had seven playoff appearances. They've been to the conference championship three times, and obviously they've won all three. I think I wrote down yesterday, their previous scoring outputs before yesterday were when they knocked out Purdy. They won that game 31 to 7. When they played Minnesota with Foals, they won that game 38 to 7. And obviously they set a NFC record yesterday with 55 points. And Howie Roseman, where did he learn a lot of his how to build the team from Andy Reid. So it's like, I just think his impact on the game is much closer to Walsh. And part of it was when you live in the moment, it's hard to take inventory and really factor it in. But like, just start factoring it in right now. It's fucking insane. How many guys are Andy Reid, guys who are dominating the NFL, coaches and executives. The only thing Bill ever had were executives. Because you put Matt, Patricia, you put Josh McDaniels, you put Joe Judge, you put any of these guys in charge of your organization, light that thing on fire, because it's got no chance. It's going to be ugly. You give. And even his high floor guys like, listen, Ron Rivera's never going to go down as Bill Parcells, but he took the Panthers to a Super Bowl. I know, I attended the thing. Now I bet against him, but still, Cam Newton, mvp, Ron Rivera, super bowl, like that happened. We all witnessed it. So I think when you look at Andy Reid, even if he doesn't get to six, you could argue if he goes to five, his overall impact on the sport and his influence with different teams is going to be stronger than Belichick. And I'm not anti Belichick. I'm not one of those guys who thinks he's overrated, who thinks it was all Brady. He's elite, just like Andy. But their personalities, you know, Bills is like, I'm kind of angry at the world. Unless you're Michael Lombardi or I guess, Josh a little bit. I'm just fucking pissed off. Not here to bullshit. We're like, Andy clearly teaches his guys a lot more. I mean, and the other thing is this. He does the most valuable thing in the history of the sport and coach the quarterback. And that mattered in the 70s, that mattered in the 90s, and that obviously matters right now. Not that Bill can't like I think Bill can coach any position, but he ain't that he can't do that. And I think having that skill is a separating factor. So I think when you look at what's on the line and listen legacy talk and where you stand all time, you can say it's cheesy or whatever, but when you get these all time greats in these positions, like this is kind of on the table and he wins this, he would be in a category all by himself. Like the Mahomes talk a couple of years ago sounded crazy. Well, think about this. He's playing in his fifth Super Bowl. He joins two other guys that can say that as well. Obviously Tom Brady and John Elway. Joe Montana, who won four Super Bowls, can't even say that. Troy Aikman, who won three Super Bowls, can't say that. Guys like Far, Roger, Steve Young, they only played well, I guess Steve, they only won one and Steve only played in one. Rogers only played in one and Far played in two. So like Mahomes has entered this category. And I get asked about it a lot as we talk about it a lot like, can he catch Tom Brady? Well, it's obviously going to be very difficult, but he is climbing up like Andy Reid. They are chasing those two guys and they are hot on their tail. And a lot like those two guys in the biggest games, I don't remember play for play in every game Belichick and Brady were ever in, but I remember always leaving those games going, what a freaking win. That was remarkable how they pulled that game out of their ass. Say the same thing about the Chiefs. I heard a staff today driving around like Mahomes has been losing in nine playoff games in the second half. He's won six of them and two other ones he took to overtime. So his ability to be down in part of like what Brady really hung his hat on. Obviously he could see he was tall and by, you know, when he really came into his own, his arm got stronger, I thought in his career, but like past 07, like he had a big time arm but like was his mental toughness how unfazed the guy was. And there is that element with Patrick Mahomes. Like obviously athletically he's superior To Brady, little shorter, I would say a little more vibrant arm. Definitely can manipulate the ball a little bit. And because he can move. But I think the intangible stuff is when you watch Patrick Mahomes, like, yesterday hit you, it's like, I didn't end up betting on the game because I was out of money by the time the game came around because I blew it on some other stupid stuff. But I remember thinking, in what world how would I pick against this team? I even had some buddies on the Chiefs. Like, what do you think? I'm like, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I just tried to be different. And I'm not rooting against you guys. Like, I love watching you. I'm not one of these haters. Like, it's just a referees. It's just the league. No, that was the Lakers. Like that. That's an objective fact that happened. Mob was in on it. So was David Stern. That's not happening here. But like, the Patriots, they're creating these wins. They knew Josh Allen does the tush push standing up to the left, over the left guard. They were stuffing his ass constantly. That wasn't random. Like, that didn't just randomly happen, you know, Pretty good penetration there. No, Jim Nance literally said it. They know it's coming and they know where he's going to be. I told this to Colin, like, that's not a tush push. That's a quarterback sneak. One team runs the tush push. Even Mark Andrews. No, Mark Andrews, when they brought him in for the Ravens, he runs what Josh does. He just stands up and he goes forward and he's big and powerful and he usually gets it. Jalen hurts, disappears. You don't see him till they just mark first down and then he gets up or touchdown. But I was also thinking about this. Like, Texas wasn't buddies on the Chiefs. They think Josh Allen is a superstar and they have nothing but admiration for his. Just competing against him. But, like, think of the disadvantage. And I would throw Lamar, whose coordinator just got a contract extension, and Joe Burrow, whose coach is also the play caller in Zach Taylor. You're playing Andy Reid, who is the play caller for Patrick Mahomes. So you have, I mean, Walsh on the short list. Walsh, Mike Shanahan, Mike Ohmgren. I mean, some of the great play callers in the history of the sport, they got it. And they got one of the best quarterbacks of all time. And you got great quarterback, right? Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. It's like, you Got Todd Monkin, who's not as good as Steve Spagnola. You got Joe Brady, who's up and coming, good play caller, who's not even 40 years old. You think he's going to fucking beat Joe or Steve Spagnola. You got Zach Taylor, who, let's face it, I think Joe Burrow's superstar, who doesn't? But like, if Mahomes doesn't get a concussion in that NFC AFC Championship game, do the. Do the Bengals win? Come on. Never seen moments play like that in a playoff game ever. So it's not a fair fight. And who your partner is as a star quarterback. Montana got Walsh, Brady got Belichick. Peyton Manning is probably the outlier that I or you could have coached him. It didn't matter. I remember hearing stories when I worked in the NFL, when they would walk out to practice, he would say, give me the practice script and give me a red pen. This is when he's in his cleats and his shoulders and his helmet. And he would make corrections before practice started of what he wanted. That's not normal. You know why? Because Peyton Manning was their offensive coordinator. Aaron Rodgers attempted to do that this year. How'd that go? So I just think that this matchup, the legacies, what's on the line, Andy's and Mahomes as well, are much closer to Belichick and Brady than anyone would have thought a year ago. That's what happens when you win your second straight super bowl and have a chance to win your third. This ain't the little itty bitty tiny bowl. 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John Middlekauff
Let's fire around some NFL stories. Jerry was on one today. Man, he was. He was in rare, rare form. Now, one thing's clear. Jerry could sell ice to an Eskimo. He is an elite salesman. I went looking at some cars like a month ago, and sales guy was giving me the business. And then for the next couple weeks, he's just wearing me out. And I listen, I appreciate, and some of you guys listen that have tried to sell me on different things. I appreciate a good hustler. Doesn't mean I'm gonna accept. Doesn't mean that I want your business. But I do appreciate the hustle. And anyone in sales, like, it's, it's a tough job and you get numb to being told no. A lot. People ghosting you. Like, it's challenging. Jerry approaches these press conferences and the way he talks to people, like he's trying to sell you a car, like he's trying to sell you something. And it's like I even kind of bought some of his bullshit today talking about Brian Schottenheimer. I think two things can be true because I judge you on your actions, not what you, your words, they mean little to nothing to me. They put this press release out on Friday night so Jerry can claim he was excited about it. But if he was as excited as he thought other people would be excited, he would have put it out Monday morning. But he knew that everyone was going to shit on this hire, and no one has any clue if Brian Schottenheimer is going to be any good. No one does. I don't like you're telling me that Brian Schottenheimer can't win 11 games next year. I don't know. Like, I think everyone acts like he's going to be the village idiot. Like, he's coached in the NFL for a long time. His dad was a very successful coach. He's been a successful coordinator at certain spots. He has some success in Seattle. He obviously had success when he was with Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez and had the number one running team rushing team in the league with the New York Jets. Like, this guy, people act like he's. It's. It's insanity now. It's insanity because part of becoming a hot candidate is either being like Ben Johnson, where you have the best offense, or being a coach where you have the best defense in the league. And it's just like, regardless of what I sound like or what my agent pumps to the media, my work speaks for itself. Or I have the agent that pumps everything to the media and just gains and garners attention and buzz and just people talking about me and Brian Schottenheimer. Nolan's been talking about him for years. So anytime that you're like, that's a little out of sight, out of mind also, it's like, why did you fire McCarthy for this guy? Like, I think all the questions are valid, but we cannot argue that Jerry Jones is the ultimate showman and runs his team like a reality television show, and rightfully so. That's all football is now, ultimately. Winning and losing the games means a lot to fans and means a lot to the players and coaches, as it should. But the reason all this money funnels in is because we watch the games, win or lose. And come Sunday, come Monday, come Thursday, millions upon millions of people are watching the reality television show that is the NFL. And if you're watching the games, a large percentage of those people follow the coaching movement, the player movement, the drama in the NFL. Not to the level of like, you know, just all about the drama, but that plays a part in this. And the more people engage, the more people watch and the more money the league makes. And Jerry has been on the forefront of that movement. So Jerry putting this press release out Friday takes away from everything he stands for. Now, I also think Jerry pushes back, that I don't want to be uncomfortable. And he said that today. Or, you know, like, you guys act like I'm unafraid or I'm afraid to be uncomfortable, and he called BS on that well, Jerry, I think this was the easiest thing for you to do, and I don't blame you. If I was 82, I probably wouldn't throw a huge Hail Mary of some human being I didn't know. And I also think that Jerry's job is not as valuable as people would assume it would be. From years past of being. You're the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys. And Jerry had some incredible lines. Like, you know, when he was. When he was on the team at Arkansas that won the national championship, way back in the day, that he aspired to be a football coach, but football coaches didn't make any money. And he wanted to live in a big house and drive a nice car. So he got into business. And if he knew how much football coaches were going to be making, he just would have gotten to football coaches because he knows, because he pays them all now. Like he was just. He makes you smile, he makes you laugh. But I do think the Cowboys are kind of the worst version. And let's face it, you know, Jerry's 82. Most shows, some of the greatest shows of all time usually don't end great. Usually when you get hooked is early on. And isn't that kind of the Cowboys? Right? Especially if you're my age or a little bit older. If you're somewhere between 35 to 55, like, your best memories of the Cowboys are the mid-90s. I guess if you're 35, probably not. But my age or older most recently would be the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. And that hooked you up because how could it not turned into a little dynasty, Some of the greatest players in the history of the game. Jimmy Johnson, Jerry Jones, just kicking everyone's ass. If it wouldn't have been for the 49ers, he probably win four straight Super Bowls. Maybe Brett Favre, too. But this thing's ending pretty ugly, man. It really is. And listen, I have. No, not anti Brian Schottenheimer at all. But I think when you look at the Eagles and how dynamic that franchise is of doing everything necessary to build the team, make moves, being on the forefront of trends, how are you going to compete with that? How are you going to compete if Jaden Daniels just maintains his level of play even if he doesn't dramatically improve? But that is just the Jaden Daniels we see moving forward. You're not going to. You can't. And I think one thing with Jerry is he's always like a year short. Like he had the opportunity to hire Sean Payton. He didn't. Hell, he had the Opportunity last year could have just fired Mike McCarthy and named Dan Quinn as head coach, but he didn't. He let him go to Washington. That was on the table. He could have done that. He chose not to. And that's what I think he's desperately trying to force. Like, I want my guy on my staff. Sometimes that has to happen organically. And it feels like Jerry can just never get it right. Over the last 10, 15, 20 years, and every time he's tried, it's kind of blown up in his face. And he gets defensive and I would too if I was in his shoes. But this is going to be tough. This is going to be really, really tough sledding. You know, it's funny, I saw Aaron Glenn's quote today saying that he will not be the defensive coordinator, that he will hire somebody and he will be the CEO of the team. And I was thinking about this. It's funny, whenever these defensive guys get hired, they almost immediately become the CEO and no longer call defense, even though the reason they got hired was because of his defensive expertise. And I'm not trying to hate on Aaron Glenn. He is not alone by any means. Robert Sala, who was in those, that seat and on that dais, whatever four or five years ago, did the same thing, got hired, then immediately gave up his play calling duties and became a CEO. Yet basically every time I see an offensive head coach hired, I saw Liam Cohen asks, will you call place? Yes, I will call place. Ben Johnson, will you call plays? Yes, I will call place. That's the reason I was hired. I'm going to be the head coach and the offensive play caller. Yet these defensive guys never do it. I don't have a great theory for it, but I say it all the time. And Aaron Glenn's I would say probably a little more unique than solid just given his long, long playing career. But when I hire a coach, specifically a young guy, I'm glad all these offensive guys say, yeah, I'm going to call plays. That's the fucking reason they hired me. So I wish Aaron Glenn best of luck. He mentioned the Aaron Rodgers situation. They hope to have figured out essentially sooner than later. I think if I was a betting man sitting here on January 27, I would guess that Aaron Rodgers is not going to be on the team. And I would guess that Aaron Rodgers is going to have options to play other places. And it wouldn't shock me if a place like the Raiders, Aaron Rodgers, if I'm guessing today, will. I think it's more unlikely that Aaron Rodgers is retired, and it's more unlikely that Travis Kelsey is playing well. I think if a lot of people would assume, like Travis Kelsey is going to keep playing, their team's good and Aaron Rodgers going to retire, I think it's the opposite. I expect Travis Kelsey, again, I don't have any inside information. I bet he retires, and I bet Aaron Rodgers attempts to keep playing. You know, I like Robert Sala. I've rooted for Robert Sala for a long time. But I think any time that a coach finds himself in a difficult spot and he just goes back to the well, you can get in some trouble doing that. And I think Kyle Shanahan has really had a hard time. Once D'Amico left, and D'Amico was a pretty special hire, obviously Steve Wilkes just didn't vibe for whatever reason with Fred Warner and Nick Bosa. This year with Sorenston was just a disaster. It didn't go well and it wasn't all his fault. And the 49ers got lucky that, you know, Robert Sala just didn't really have any other options. And they're paying him a lot of money and they're just getting the band back together. But sometimes when. And it's different, like, they didn't break up. It's not like he fired him, he got another job. But there's, I would say, usually a reason, like ex girlfriends or ex boyfriends, they get back together and it's just a little different. Even if early on you're like, God, this sparks are flaming again. So I'm rooting for this to work, but I don't know, I just don't think it's as plug and play. And we see this sometimes with coaches. You know, Belichick always does this with his guys, brings guys back. I just think there's a lot of risk involved. And, you know, this time around, you know, before Robert Saleh was a different man, he didn't have millions upon millions of dollars in the bank. Kyle Shanahan could tell him to jump and he'd say, how high? Well, if I'm Robert Salas, I'm not going to get yelled at all the time by you, Kyle. I'm not going to just get in these contentious arguments over philosophical disagreements, which are natural in football. But before, it's like, okay, Kyle, do what you want to do. Like, no, Kyle, I get a pretty good idea of what I'm doing, what I want to do. And I think sometimes when you get people at different points in time in their career, you might look at that person the same, but they no longer look at you the same or their position the same. And it's going to be fascinating to see how that works. Because if I'm Robert Salt and obviously him and Kyle have a good relationship, but the relationship dynamics of, like, I'm not just this little nobody who's trying desperately to take the next step. Like, I took the next step and I got paid 20, 30, $40 million. So, like, I'm doing this because I like football, I like coaching guys, but I don't have to be doing this. So how you treat some of these other coaches, I'm not saying he treats them bad, but, like, I'm not really feeling that today, dog. It's going to be fascinating to watch. I just, everyone's jumping for joy and it's exciting because it's. I would much rather have him than Sorensen or Steve Wilkes, but I don't know, man. I think these situations sometimes can get a little weird. I watched Pete Carroll and Spy Tech today. Spy Tech, very, very cool moment for him, getting to run a team, starting, you know, I started in those same seats. Now I'm podcast and he's an NFL gm. You could just tell the excitement and you could tell Pete, you know, I mean, Pete changed John Schneider's life. I mean, when Pete got that job in Seattle and hired John, and now John's gone on to become one of the best general managers in the league. And I think Spy Tech realized, like, this is a pretty unique opportunity. I get my first job and I get a guy that just knows what he's doing. But when you watch Pete and his, his age gets thrown out a lot. Like, it's very synonymous with his name, Pete Carroll. He's 73, Pete Carroll. He's old Pete Carroll. It's like, God, you watch him talk. He does not talk like a lot of 73 year olds. His energy is, I would say, second to none in the NFL right now relative to even some of the younger coaches. So I think, I don't know if you're getting whatever Seattle got 14 years, you're not getting that. But I think if things go decent, like you get four or five strong years out of Pete and then just figure it out from there. And I think the most important thing, like that's why Kyle Shanahan hired Robert Sala. I just need to get someone who knows what they're doing. I can't get a first time coach. I can't get a coach. I don't know. I just need to get a guy that knows what he's doing, and we'll figure out some of the dynamics from there. I totally understand why he did that. And if Robert Saul, we have a lot of success and he goes on to become a head coach in two years, we'll figure that problem out. Once we get there, we will cross that bridge then. Right now, I just. We need to get going in the right direction, and no team needs that more than the Raiders, right? Two winning seasons in multiple decades. It has been ugly. They've been a laughing stock. And it's like, Pete Carroll's the real deal. And the one thing with Pete, and he talked about today, and I really admired this, and they talked about, like, why are you doing this, Pete? He was asked this question multiple times. You've accomplished everything there is to accomplish in football, national championships, Super Bowls. You're going to go to the hall of Fame one day. Multimillionaire. And he's like, I never got into it for any of that. I got into it because I like doing this. I like the process of trying to get to the playoffs, of to win a playoff game, to win a Super Bowl. And you just get this guy who's just very driven. And I think you're going to get the best of Pete Carroll now. A lot like Aaron Glenn, a lot like Liam Cohen. Your roster is your roster and your quarterback's your quarterback. And unless you're able to get a massive upgrade, it's just going to be very tough sledding. And it'll be interesting to see who the quarterback is for the Raiders. You know, Aaron Rodgers, is he Pete Carroll's type guy? Would he go back if Russell Wilson's available? I would never say never. At least just for a one year to get the thing going in the right direction. Because remember when Pete Carroll took over Seattle in 2010, I think they set a record for most transactions in a calendar year. I mean, they were cutting, trading, signing guys at an unprecedented rate. It was insane. And then within a couple years, all of a sudden, they had lob. They had Russell Wilson, they had Doug Baldwin. They just had a lot of good players. And they trade for Marshawn lynch and boom, they're just legit. But they. They turn that roster like never seen before. And I think the Raider, if you're a Raider fan, you should just be kind of proud. Like, we just got real people running the organization. Foreign.
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John Middlekauff
Okay, let's do a little thing we call the Middlekop Mailbag at John Middlekopf at John Middlekopf is the Instagram fire in those DMs get your question answered on go. Just my name at my name Fire in my Instagram DMs get your questions answered on the show. Start with Carter. Big fan and a nerd for sports history. As a lifelong Yankee fan, it's probably easier for me to be into that more than others at my age 26. My question is about John Elway, who was a former Yankee draft pick. I think when we talk about sheer arm talent, he does not get enough credit and is not really mentioned as much as guys like Favre and Prime Rogers. When comparing top tier arm talent guys from today, Allen Herbert, Mahomes do you agree? And if not, why? Yeah, I mean I would put, I would put Elway, I would throw Marino as well. Just YouTube, Elway, Marino, mid-80s Broncos and the Miami Dolphins. It's like watch some Elway in the late to mid-80s. Watch Dan Marino. Type in Dan Marino Miami Dolphins against the 49ers in the Super bowl and I think 1985 and just watch his first drive. I mean he throw those guys have howitzers. Those guys pure arm talent were as good as anyone that's ever played football. Both those two guys. You know I think Elway was a much better athlete. But you know, just through my work I've met a lot of people that have played against Marino that played in the mid-80s and the 90s that said Marino's arm was the best. Obviously John had a great arm as well. So I mean, yeah, these guys are all time great arm guys for the mailbag. Last week you said something about players playing in the off season. You were saying that players get paid for the regular season, then the off season is for them to cement their legacy. Obviously they get some compensation for their playoff games, but not to the level that their contracts are for. My question is, do the playoffs help determine contracts in the future and how much of the fact do they play? Because the highest paid players, Dakota with 60 million a year and has little to no success in the playoffs. And for him it's a lot easier to just shit the bed every year in the regular season. Every year and in the regular season just collect $60 million. So how much does playoff success weigh into contract negotiations? I think it depends who you are. You know, Dax, his negotiating power was just like, I'm good, right? And this is the going rate. I think a guy like Brock Purdy is going to use success in the playoffs, wins and losses. I think it's more, I mean, you do get paid. Like if, if I, if you're a player that I can win 10 to 12 games with, you're going to get paid a lot of money. Whether we like it or not. Like you are going to get paid a lot of money. And it's just, you know, the playoffs, once you're Patrick Mahomes, right, or Chris Jones, like those guys, did they make that much more than the next guy? Not really. So regular season, you get paid for the regular season. Before the question, I just want to say you're my go to on the NFL question. If you were the GM of the Steelers, what steps would you take to get them back on track? I'm so tired of the same shit every season. Little to no changes. Obviously. Defense, they got to stay healthy, which there's nothing you can do as a GM or coach defense, when the year starts, I mean, they clearly always have pieces, right? And their defense was really good until they had some injuries and they fell apart. But you got to find a way to solidify the quarterback position. And right now I think I saw a quote from Art Rooney that he thinks one of the two quarterbacks is going to come back. Justin Fields or Russell Wilson. I can't fathom bringing back Justin Fields. Especially if you're like, we'll bring back Justin Fields to be our starter. Why didn't you just start him down the stretch in some of those games when Russell was playing like shit, how could you bring back Justin Fields? How does that make any Sense, I don't know. I mean, you got to find a quarterback. You have to find a quarterback. And you take some of these flyers on, these offensive weapons, some of them blow up in your face. Obviously, George Pickens is a big time talent, but your character, your competitive character, like, look at the Chiefs. Look at how hard the Bills aren't that talented on defense. Look how hard they play. You watch George Pickens, you're like, this is the type player that's on a bad team now. They can overcome them because of their infrastructure and their culture, but like kind of bit him in the ass down the stretch. So I think they need to value the competitive character. They really had that and they're good teams. You know, when I was in the 2000s, when I was in college, when I got in the league in the 2010, 11, 12, 13, I remember seeing them like 14, 15 live. They just had so much competitive character. It feels like they've lost that a little bit. Watching Joe Burrow this year really cements him as an all time great player on a crappy team. I know that playoff success is factored in the legacy. However, it feels like the mainstream media is lazy by chalking up everything to that. Clearly the other great quarterbacks in the league wouldn't have the Bengals primed as super bowl favorites. I think sometimes we're so quick to talk, you know, Mahomes, he's in such rare air. I mean, let's face it, Mom's beating them all, right? Beat them all. So Mahomes is doing things like Mahomes shouldn't be compared anymore to any of these guys, right? Lamar Joshborough, especially if he wins in two weeks. He left four Super Bowls. Those guys have a combined zero. The only thing they have in common with them is they're all rich. But in terms of winning the big games, he's the only guy pulling it off. But I think we're so quick to like, what's Lamar's legacy? What is Joe Burrow's legacy? What is going to define Joe Burrow? It's like, guys, he's 28 years old. He just turned 28 years old. So if he could stay healthy, he should have minimum. I'm going to be conservative, like six, seven good ash years of his prime left. Let's just see how it plays out. Like their team got off to a rough start. They should be better next year, get some draft picks. They missed the playoffs. Draft a little bit higher, make some moves. Let's just take a deep breath. Eventually, Mahomes is not going to win a Super Bowl. Eventually that's going to happen. We're just not even be in the Super Bowl. I thought it was going to be this year. Clearly wrong. I just bet on the odds because hell Brady, it happened to everybody. Eventually one of these other cats is going to be in that game again. Burrows the last one. But like and when that happens, can they win it? But I think we're so quick legacy like Joe Burrows is a stud. Joe Burrow is a baller. But to try to like make some like I don't even know how to describe or just it's kind of the first take culture. Let's just we got some time here. He's a badass. He was unreal this year. Unreal. His coach and his defense let them down. But like John Elway, Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, like guys, Peyton Manning guys have a weird season. It happens. Still play well. I'm a lifelong Charger fan in Newport beach and have been here have been since the San Diego days. While our franchise has been rocky, has a rocky reputation, I feel that we finally are ready to contend consistently with Jim. Given that we have to play Mahomes and Reed twice a year as well as the other competition in the AFC west where we pop like the Lions this year or like the 2017 Eagles seems like our only shot to win a title. What do you think the best course of action for the Chargers this offseason would be to obtain a roster where that is a possibility. Obviously our defense was great last year, but they lacked a great pass rusher down the stretch. With Mac and Bosa getting older and a weak free agency in drafty line class, it seems unlikely that they fill that hole. I think the one thing with Harbaugh is because he puts such an emphasis on who his defensive coordinator is, he's always been able to manipulate the defense. Obviously when he has great players, he dominates. But even this year, like Khalil was old, Bosa was in and out of lineup. Derwin, I. You know, you could blame Brandon Staley, but it felt like is Derwin still a top end player? And then it was like, God, this team's really, really good on defense. It is an offensive league. Obviously you got to play defense to win the playoffs. We know that it's a problem with the Bills. Like they got to get better on defense. You know, look at the Eagles. I mean they have the best defense in the league. Look at the Chiefs now, how good they've been on defense for four or five years. But you need Your offense score points and if lad McConkey is your best weapon, you got problems. I think the key to the Chargers this off season find a tight end or wide receiver who can be an impact play guy and find a running back who can just be a bell cow. Luckily in this draft you're going to be able to draft a running back on the second day who's going to be an immediate starter. How are you going to find your impact skill guy? I don't know. I don't have the answer to that but I'm interested to see what Jim does. What do you think about The Patriots hiring McDaniels as their offensive coordinator? I thought they were trying to hire outside the Bill tree this time around. Rabel played for Bill but never coached with him. Curious your thoughts on the hire and maybe what he could scheme for Drake that's different from what he schemed for Tom? That's a good question. I we talked about this, I think last week. I don't think Vrabel at this point in time of his career would hire anybody he doesn't want to hire. But you can't tell me this hire wasn't influenced by the Crafts twofold. They obviously really like Josh. Josh is kind of cheap. Why? Because Mark Davis still paying him and I think one knock on the Crafts is like they're kind of cheap. So like was this craft forcing this on Vrabel and he was just cool with it? I think they always wanted somewhat of a mobile quarterback. You know, their plan for their Steve Young was Jimmy Garoppolo and Jimmy had some mobility when he was younger. So I think they aspired to get that. Now, you know, can he use Drake who's much more of a hybrid player? I don't know. I'm sure they will. One major problem with the Patriots, like their skill guys suck. So they need skill guys. They need skill guys but their offensive line is just horrid. Terrific. I mean it gets you killed. Literally. I mean it did. Jacoby got hurt. Drake May was getting concussed. You got to improve the offensive line, which I would imagine Vrabel will do immediately. Question for the bag with the Bears now hiring Johnson and Dennis Allen to pretty large contracts, especially Ben Johnson, do you think the McCaskeys are finally realizing to be successful in the league you have to have elite coaching and can't be cheap, do you think this could be the turning point in the organization on how much money we spend if Ben is successful as a head coach? I think the Charger I Think a lot of teams like the Bears who are owned by second and third generation family members who were taught by their parents who obviously grew up wealthy but weren't billionaires. And so you're a billionaire now, but you're in the mindset of being a guy that was you were never guaranteed to make a profit. So the McCaskeys, who were the Hallis family when they bought the team, there was no guarantee to make a profit for a large percentage of the history of the NFL when Jerry Jones bought into the Cowboys. The financial situation of the league is dramatically different now, but it doesn't take away from your mindset of when you made the purchase and your core values as kind of a businessman. I say this all the time about coaches. Your core values as a coach don't really change. They are cemented when you're very, very young. Kyle Shanahan's core values as a coach running the football and defense were cemented by his father when he was a teenager. Andy Reid has loved passing the ball since he played at BYU in the early to mid-80s. And that was their philosophy. Way ahead of the curve. What does Pete Carroll like to do? Run the ball and play defense. Pete Carroll is not going to be a guy like Dan Campbell and Dan Quinn going for it all the time. Brian Schottenheimer, anyone my age or older knows, like, Marty Schottenheimer was very, very old school. Well, who are Brian Schottenheimer's idols? His father. And like Pete Carroll, I know what the Cowboys are going to try to do. They're going to try to be good on defense and run the football. They're not going to have some up tempo passing game. It's not what he's known for. That's not his core philosophy as a guy. And I think some of these teams like, it's hard for the Bengals, it was hard for the Chiefs before Andy Reid. And even with Andy Reid, it's hard for the Bears because organizationally their core sole ethos is trying to pinch every penny because that was bred and beaten into them from how they came up in the business. Despite now it's like, you can't lose money paying a coach for 10, $12 million a year. I think the league gave a presentation, was it last year or two years ago at one of the owner's meetings and Roger was like, do you guys know that you're paying fired coaches and fired personnel people a total of $800 million? Guess what? These guys have never been richer. So I think the faster you can shift your mindset. And I think it's something we all do. And you either are good at it, slow at it, or you're never going to be good at it. You got to look at money like widgets and become numb to it. Now, that doesn't mean just throw money around and waste it and put yourself in precarious situations, but the faster you can look at whatever money you're making. And especially as you get older, if you make more money, become less emotionally tied to it. I think a lot of people get emotionally tied to money, and I've saw it growing up, and I think it really limits your ability to make more and to the easiest way to make more is to not worry as much about it. That's my personal philosophy. And I think so many people that struggle with money, they get so emotionally tied to it, it's like, guys, it's just a fucking piece of paper that there's no country in the world that's easier to make it. And if you're in the NFL, you've never made more. But if you worry, the difference between when I saw that he was uncomfortable, so he's uncomfortable. Like, you can pay a guy 7, $8 million, but you're uncomfortable paying a guy $13 million. So you're the difference of $5 million a year when you're getting $450 million from the league on television alone and $5 million makes you uncomfortable, well, $5 million of $100 million is 5%. So you're talking like 1% of your television revenue is making you uncomfortable. How are you going to be successful when that's the case? Like, think about the numbers we're talking Now. If it's 50% of your revenue, totally understand. Like, this is a big risk. You're talking tiny amounts of money. This is for the mailbag. I'm personally tired of talking heads glazing. Kyle Shanahan in his offense had under performance in every super bowl except the Falcons won and they blow a 28 to 3 because he was unable to have good clock management. I will defend Kyle here. He's not in charge of clock management as a coordinator. That super bowl is on Dan Quinn. He's the head coach. So if you want him to run it, you tell him in the headset, run the ball. If you want him to pass it, you can tell him to pass it. Kyle Shanahan's won a lot of playoff games, a lot of playoff games. If he hadn't, you wouldn't be able to glaze him he was bad this year but over the course of his career like he's been to four conference championship games because he rattled off a lot of wins to get there. So I listen I can be critical of Kyle but he's won big games in the biggest moments and if you do that like you get a little more leeway. Let's face it. This from Axel. There's only two guys that can beat Andy and Mahomes. One of them works for Fox and is part owner of the Raiders and the other plays for an incompetent coach and organization. I think he means Brady and Joe Burrow. The Bengals should have cleaned house this year even if they didn't get Vrabel. Who do you get good chance you land Pete Carroll and get a competent GM and then you're consistently in the playoffs. We're being robbed of Burrow versus Mahomes. I don't think Mahomes and Allen are rivalry when in the playoffs Allen is over four. Allen is great don't get me wrong but Burrow and Mahomes is the rivalry but Burrow is on one of the worst ran NFL teams in the league. I don't know. I would say this Buffalo and them have played some great games. I mean that was riveting tv. They have played in two of the better playoff games in recent memory. Buffalo and Josh Allen has played them just in spectacular fashion. The only people that have played them well the Bengals beat them, the Bills and then the Eagles and the 49ers in the Super Bowl. We saw the Ravens. They crumbled like a cookie. The Texans try their special teams were a joke so I, I just think that I agree. I mean part of a rivalry is has to go back and forth. There has to be some ebb and flow to this. But I, I think they've played him pretty well man. I, I, I really do. I I was impressed yesterday. I I think Andy and Spags would tell you that like that was.
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Katie Couric
Hey everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well the election is in the home stretch and I'm exhausted. But turns out the end is near. Right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next Question. This podcast is for people like me who need a little perspective and insight. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Van Jones, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun, even though these days fun and politics seems like an oxymoron. But we'll do that thanks to some of my friends like Samantha bee, Roy Wood Jr. And Charlemagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Power to the podcast for the people. So whether you're obsessed with the news or just trying to figure out what's going on, this season of Next Question is for you. Check out our new season of Next Question with me, Katie Couric, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Bloomberg Podcast Host
The forces shaping markets and the economy are often hiding behind a blur of numbers.
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So that's why we created the Big Tape from Bloomberg Podcasts to give you the context you need to make sense of it all.
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Every day in just 15 minutes, we dive into one global business story that matters.
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You'll hear from Bloomberg journalists like Matt Levine.
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Jon Stewart
A lot of this meme stock stuff.
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John Middlekauff
Is, I think, embarrassing to the Sec.
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Bloomberg Podcast Host
Amanda Mull, who writes our BusinessWeek Buying Power column.
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John Middlekauff
Very few companies who go viral are, like, totally prepared for what that means.
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Bloomberg Podcast Host
And Zoe Tillman, senior legal reporter. Courts are not supposed to decide elections. Courts are not really supposed to play a big role in choosing our elected leaders. It's for the voters to decide.
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Follow the Big Take podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen.
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Adnan Burke
What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast from iHeart podcast and the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Perkin Demers.
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Jason Demers
Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL Network analyst. And boy, oh boy, does daddy have a lot to say.
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Adnan Burke
I love you, by the way, on NHL Network, we're looking forward to getting together each week to chat and chirp about the sport and all the other things surrounding it that we love. Right?
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Jason Demers
Yeah, I just met you today, but we're going to have a ton of guests from the colliding worlds of hockey, entertainment and pop culture. And you know what? Tons of back and forth on all things NHL.
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Adnan Burke
Yeah, you're soon going to find out we're not just hockey talk. We're into all kinds of random stuff on this podcast. Movies, television, food, wrestling, even the stuff that you wear on NHL.
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Jason Demers
Now you wish you could pull off my short shorts, Ferkie.
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Adnan Burke
That's sure to cause a ruckus. Listen to NHL Unscripted with Burke and demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlekauff
Native Arizonian and Cardinals fan, do you think Cliff Kingsbury's success with the Commanders is an indictment of Kyler? Murray D. Hop and Hollywood Brown are now about to go to the super bowl with the Chiefs, who were his top two wide receivers during the Kingsbury era. I feel like Gannon is a good coach, but Kyler just can't seem to win enough. What are your thoughts on Kyler and what do you think the Cardinals could get for him in trade? Well, I think we kind of saw it with Kyler this year. Immense talent, roller coaster player and just, I mean he's never going to be one of the top guys in the league and I think it's going to be difficult for him to be a top 10 quarterback. But he's so talented, at least you know, in the prime of his career. Athletically, he's never going to be a bottom 10 guy. So he always kind of floats somewhere between like 11 to 20 and you watch on given weeks like he can beat people with just incredible halves, right? He can make multiple plays, score touchdowns, make great throws, make plays with his legs, and then he can use incredibly dumb things. Hard to totally judge them this year. Their talent's not great, but I think he kind of just established what he is. A really talented player. Not someone you can build around as a franchise quarterback, but you could do way worse and you're kind of stuck with him. Keep building up the team. I think you get a couple second round picks for him. I would not trade for him. I mean I would trade for him if he costs nothing, but I would have a hard time trading for him if they're like we need your first round pick. Like it's a no for me. Doug, I appreciate this. My name is James. This is my wife's Instagram. Not really an Instaguy. I appreciate the perspective you share and wanted to underscore a recurring theme on the pod. I'm a leader at a management consulting firm and manage various projects teams. One of my teams wasn't taking their work to the Next level. They were phoning it in a talented and intelligent group, but just weren't owning their craft. It was one of those situations where I thought there was a gap between what they deem as good and what it takes to be good. I used one of your stories about Andy Reid to help illustrate my point about his intrinsic curiosity and genuine interest in football. This was a very relatable and helpful this was very relatable and helpful and underscores what you say. So what's intrinsically motivating to you? Appreciate the note and I think most coaches are that way. I watched some of the Liam COHEN Press conference today. 1 He's a goofy looking bastard. I mean he really is. He's a different cat. Clearly smart guy had some success with Baker, but you talk about and I've defended him like someone's offering you 11 $12 million and you know they expect you to stay loyal for a third of that. Like welcome to the real world. And I'm a big Jason Light guy and I don't know, I haven't asked him his take on this whole thing but like I do get leaving for the job but just watching him, it's like yeah, I can see where people think he kind of comes off as a BS artist. You got to be careful about press conferences. I'm not going to make any like grand proclamations on like he's gonna suck or he's not gonna pull this off because the press conferences you, you never know. But it was just a little weird. I mean it was just. I watched probably 10 minutes of it. There's some viral clips going as well. I just Red flag might be strong but let's just say that I'm probably on the fence. Like if it was an IPO for a stock I don't know if I'd purchase again, funky looking cat. My question is, do you think that Saquon could have been in the goat conversation if he had been with the Eagles his entire career since he was a rookie? And why isn't Steve the Chiefs DC getting any coaching interviews? I know Mahomes and Reed are basically one of the best ever, but Steve has been doing a great job. Well think about this. Who are the best ever running backs? Most people say Jim Brown. I just say yeah, never saw him play. Obviously one of the greatest players of all time. Walter Payton I think universally agreed upon Barry Sanders, one of the greatest players. Emmett Smith I think most people would say is probably not as good as those guys but played behind one of the best offensive line and was one of the most productive. Fantastic player. Adrian Peterson, Derrick Henry, Ladanian Tomlinson. Then they're the hybrid guys, you know, LT and Marshall Falk were these guys that get you like 70, 80, 90 catches. And then there was Adrian Peterson who was just like, I'm a running back. I don't even. I always thought it was weird. Adrian Peterson was not good in pass protection. It's like, motherfucker, you're huge. You should destroy linebackers. But this wasn't his cup of tea. Catching was not his cup of tea. You hand him that ball and just let him rip. And there's somewhat of an element to Derek Henry. Derek Henry feels like a much more likable guy than Adrian Peterson. I guess. I think I would rather both in their prime. I take Derek Henry just feels like I'd rather be around Derek Henry. I would say Saquon, you don't go too overall in the draft if you aren't just a complete freak show at running back. You know, people forget like Zeke obviously has not been good for a while. He was unreal when he was young. And Zeke, unlike Adrian Peterson, elite and pass pro and could catch the ball, was a all around back. Saquon's got solid hands, but he's not McCaffrey or Marshall Falk or LT. But he is such a great running back. His, you know that, that touchdown run in the NFC championship game, I don't think the two DBs quite realized. This guy is like a bowling ball in his contact balance. To do a 360 at full speed as you're getting hit and not even remotely come close to falling down. I think it's almost underrated how insane that is. We obviously talk a lot about that play where he jumped over the dude backwards. That play yesterday where he's just getting hit and kind of spinning around as he's getting hit and doesn't even break stride is a remarkable display of athleticism. But like Adrian Peterson and Derek Henry, high end speed. If he gets in the open field, he's gone. So he's just the ultimate home run hitter who is just a great between the tackles running back. So I. He could have been a Hall of Famer for sure. I wouldn't say it's too late. It's difficult when you just waste the first. I mean, what year do you come in the league? It's just gonna be hard. And he's already got some tread on the tires because he's been hurt. Is this his fifth season or sixth season? So 18, 19, 20 21, 22, 23. Yeah, he's. He's been a league a while. I don't know if he would have been the Goat, but I, I think we would have talked about him like a Hall of Famer for sure. I don't even know who the goat running back is. He. He would be in the discussion, I think, of a guy that ran for potentially a couple 2000 yard seasons, a ton of like 15, 1700 yard seasons. Kind of underrated. In 22, he ran for 1300 yards with the Giants. Honestly, his rookie season, he ran for 1300 yards and 11 touchdowns. He's a stud man and just an all around great guy. People love that guy. Love that guy. With Pete Carroll join the Raiders, it's clear the AFC west has the most impressive head coaches in the league. How do you rank the coaches in that division and which team do you think can challenge the Chiefs? Well, it's. Andy Reid won. Cemented. I would, I'd probably go Jim Harbaugh 2A, Sean Payton 2B, and Pete Carroll 3. You know Pete Carroll the last couple years in Seattle, defense was pretty shitty and he's a defensive guru. It didn't go. He got fired for a reason. Now, relative to a lot of guys in the league, they would sell their left nut to have that happen to him. But you know Pete, the way it ended was an offense. Gino on the offense, it was. His defense was terrible. But relative to what the Raiders were taking over. Big upgrade. Big fan of the show. What's the deal with all world players? I've been watching the NFL pretty consistently for quite a few years. All of a sudden it seems like the announcers and podcasters are using the word all world to describe some players. How do they get this title? Why did we need another level from all Pro? The US Is the only country that plays football at this level, so the world part seems kind of redundant. Thanks and keep doing your thing. Shout out to the morning crew at ABC 27 in Harrisburg. I know they're listening. Appreciate you, boys. I don't know. It's always been a pet peeve of me. Whoever wins a Super bowl like Patrick Mahomes, you give them the Lombardi. You give. You know, you make Chris Jones the Super bowl mvp. You get Andy Reid. We're the world champs. And listen, I. How he would. How he said this before. World champs. No, you're. You're the amer. You're the NFL champs. America. Couple international players. Only one I can think of that's any good. Is My lotta. But this is not world champs. We're NFL champs. This is American sport. No matter how much we want to go to England, Germany, eat some brats playing Brazil, some druggies and hookers walking like let's, let's be real American NFL, not world. I hate that. World champs in baseball, if you want to say world champs. Yeah, it's world game. Basketball kinda. I mean I. It's a world game but sports played.
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Katie Couric
Here.
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John Middlekauff
But, but if those people want to say it way more there, there's way more I guess merit to that statement in the NBA and in Major League Baseball in hockey as well than in football. It's like Saquon Barkley, went to Penn State, grew up in Pennsylvania, born in Brooklyn. Christian McCaffrey, born in Denver. Right. Jalen Hurts, went to Bam in Oklahoma, grew up in Texas. Lane Johnson, world champs. Love the show. That said, what the fuck happened with the officiating in today's championship games? Two huge game changing calls. Holding by Eagles on the wide receiver Brown first down throw with little time left in the first half. The Josh Allen fourth down sneak, clearly a first down even after the replay. I get that the ball doesn't lie in most instances, but these are huge momentum shifts in the game and calls that I can't help but think are rigged. I've been saying this forever and listen, if it's your team or you have money on the game, I've experienced that pain and anguish and anger and disgust. But officiating or officials and referees in all these sports, specifically football, college and pro, are no different than government officials. It's the only place where you can be consistently incompetent and keep your job. Players, coaches, podcasters. I'd go out of business. So you see these calls that you disagree with. I do believe, and I know people were adamant that the above angle. I think the Josh Allen thing was kind of close and once they don't call it on the field, like I don't have a problem with them not overturning it. Eagles scored 55 points. There is no call in the Eagles game that I'm going to let people argue about the Bills. I get that a little bit. I would say this if I was a Bills fan. How do we keep running? And I get it because last week it was working against a great run defense in Baltimore. If you are consistently calling a play, even as basic and simple and I mean I would say the quarterback sneak is one of the most basic plays in the history of football. Right? The kneel down, the Quarterback sneak, the spike. The difference is like the kneel down the spike. Like it's borderline impossible to screw up if you just get the center quarterback exchange. Correct. Right. The quarterback sneak. You do need penetration. And depending on your guard and center and your quarterback, like, do you have enough strength to push their defensive line back? Who's playing defensive tackle for them? It was not working. That play was not working. The only time it worked is when he jumped over the line of scrimmage and jumped over all their defensive linemen. Drew Brees used to do that a lot. Drew Brees used to do that on the goal line. So the moment you cross the line of scrimmage, right the. The goal line, it's a touchdown. So even if you score and they hit the ball out, six points go on the board. Well, in a play like that in the middle of the field, if they hit the ball out of your hands, it's a fumble. And he literally fumbled. But he had to do it because he wasn't gaining any penetration because he stands up so high. You know, you hear this a lot with coaches. Pad level, pad level, pad level. His pad level on that quarterback sneak is pretty high. And he's a tall guy. It's a terrible play. How do they not run some other plays? Look at the short yardage plays. Andy Reid was running. He got Mahomes on the run. He ran some basic flat routes. Look at what they do with Jaden Daniels. Shotgun. Get him moving. Why? Because his athleticism is a separating attribute. Yet with Josh Allen. And listen, he's one of the stronger, more powerful quarterbacks ever. But the play was not working and he just kept going back to the well, like eventually. Guys, there's no water in this well. We're gonna have to go to another well. And Joe Brady. I don't know if it was lack of experience. I don't know if he didn't feel comfortable. Any other plays. I don't know if Sean McDermott forced him to call that play. I don't know if it's Josh Allen demanding it. That was a disaster. Unless there's a big drop catch in the Super Bowl. Which drop catch was bigger this playoffs? Andrews or McKay? Not McCabe. What's what? Dalton. Dalton Kincaid. Well, they both ended the games. Right. Because neither team got the ball back. That's a good question. I. I think Andrew's catch was easier. I think it's fair to say they were. Obviously, Andrews was catchable. Kincaid's was catchable as well. That's a good question. I, I would say you, you'd have to go Buffalo because he catches that ball. I mean, who knows, maybe they score a touchdown. I'm trying to go back. So it's Buffalo, two minutes left, fourth and five, you're down three, he catches that ball. I, I'd go Buffalo, I'd go, that's a 1, a 1B situation. You know, in the pros, obviously some catches are clearly much more difficult than others. The old adage of like you touch it, you clutch it. Obviously some balls that hit you in stride are different than ones that you have to go up in high point in traffic. And that was one he had to lay out, go to his right. But still, I think he catches that. I don't know, minimum half the time. A former first round pick. Question for the mailbag. Lifelong depressed Bills fan. While we were outclassed when it mattered most, why doesn't the NFL have a chip in the ball? So many of these big games are determined by some 55 year old, 30 yards away from the ball, trying to place the ball from an angle they saw. Surely the richest league in the world could put a chip in each tip of the ball and have more of a precise system. You could even test the technology on the goal line. If the chip breaks the line, the refs get an automatic signal on their watch and it's a touchdown. Similar to the goal line technology in soccer. Yeah, I mean, I can't. You know, Belichick always butted heads with these guys over this super, super expensive league that's making all this money and guys would be cheap about putting certain cameras in certain places. So I think you always battle. This gets Back to the McCaskeys. Some of these franchises that, you know, treat money like it's not going to come back and that if we spend. I mean, think about how many teams in the NFL don't even buy the most expensive field turf. They buy a field turf that costs half a million dollars instead of the one that costs a million dollars. These are billion dollar franchises. They're spending $250 million on the employees for that turf. Right. That's the players and they go cheap. So I just think it's hard to convince some of these people to agree. It just is. And until stuff impacts you, like, obviously if you're Buffalo, you're going to push for that. I would imagine the Chiefs would be cool pushing for that. I don't know, man, I. Because how could anyone tell in the pile? No one knows how. I mean, the visual of the one Official on the bottom inside the line and the official on the top on the other side of the white line. It's like neither of these guys have a fucking clue. It's an educated guess. I wouldn't get your hopes up for it, though, if you swap Mahomes and Allen. So Mahomes is on the Bills, Allen is on the Chiefs. What do you think their careers look like? Does Allen have a couple more Super Bowls? Does Mahomes have any? I would say Allen can be a little more reckless than Patrick. You know, Patrick has really kind of come into his own. Like he played this season. Even parts of last season turned into a Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, like, okay, today I'm going to manage the game. And Josh is less likely to do that. He's got a little more farvee into him, which, listen, Andy likes and Patrick used to have a lot of that to him. He's just kind of changed as he's gotten older. I mean, Josh still plays a lot. He's a more accurate passer now, but his style is kind of a style. I think if Patrick had started with the Bills, I don't know, it's impossible to play that game. I do think Josh Allen would have a Super bowl if he was with Andy Reid. Maybe two. Would they be five and six years and three straight? I don't know about that. Hard to tell what Mahomes would have been like without Andy. One, he got to sit for a year. Think about that. He got to sit for a year. The other thing with the with the Bills is like their head coach is a defensive guy like Andy Mahomes, kind of hand in hand. You know, they work pretty closely together. Sean McDermott is the head coach. He's now the offensive coordinator of the play caller. Wind on that one. Appreciate everyone firing in those DMs and look forward to a big, big week of talking some ball the volume.
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Katie Couric
Hey, everyone, it's Katie Couric. Well, the election is in the home stretch right in time for a new season of my podcast. Next question. I'm bringing in some foks friends of Katie's to help me out, like Ezra Klein, Jen Psaki, Asted Herndon. But we're also going to have some fun thanks to some of my friends like Samantha Bee and Charlamagne the God. We're going to take some viewer questions as well. I mean, isn't that what democracy is all about? Check out our new season of Next question with me, Katie. Katie Couric on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Jon Stewart
Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show, and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports, and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondence and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Adnan Burke
What's up, everybody? Adnan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast. It's NHL Unscripted with Virkin Demers, Jason.
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Jason Demers
Emers here In after playing 700 NHL games, I got a lot of dirty laundry to air out.
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Adnan Burke
Hey, I got a lot to say here, too, okay? Each week we'll get together to chat about the sport that we love.
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Jason Demers
Tons of guests are going to join in, too. But we're not just going to be talking hockey, folks. We're talking movies. We're talking tv, food, and Adnan's favorite wrestling. It's all on Le table.
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Adnan Burke
Listen to NHL Unscripted with Vir and Demers, the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Justin Penick
What's up, everyone? It's Justin Penick from John Boy Media, the host of the Football Today podcast with Bobby Skinner and Chris Rose. We roll three times a week. On Mondays, on Wednesdays, on Fridays. Breaking down everything you need to know about the NFL. We're gearing up for the NFL playoffs. I hope you can join us. Join in with us three times a week. Listen to Football Today on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast and you will be glad you did.