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The Herd with Colin Cowherd
3 & Out - Shedeur Sanders getting his CHANCE, MVP futures odds, Rams WITHOUT Stafford
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The volume. What is happening my people? How are you doing on this beautiful, beautiful warm summer day? It's about 190 degrees outside, but that's why I got the AC up and the microphone on. Because today we're going to podcast and we're going to talk some football. Shador Sanders starting for the Browns. You know we got to dive into that. I was scrolling around my DraftKings app and I ended up on the MVP future odds. So I thought, you know what, let's talk about that. I saw a couple dark horses, couple guys that fire me the up. So we will dive into that. We also do a mailbag at John Middlekopf at John Middlekop is the Instagram Fire in those DMS and get your questions read here on the show. Very easy. We like to interact with the people. What else that probably about it. So make sure if you listen on Collins feed, subscribe to the podcast. Because we got our own three out podcast. We put a Golo golf podcast up there as well. We got you covered. We also got a YouTube channel. All of our content is up there. Even Shot was out of the golf course yesterday shooting some ads for some of our sponsors. We might even put up a nine hole golf video. Got to get back in the mix. Your boy was swinging it pretty well. So we got a lot of content up on the YouTube stream. So make sure you check that out. But before we dive into any football, you know, I got to tell you about my friends. You know, I got to tell you about my partners. The official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time does not get any better. Game Time, best ticketing app in America. What do you want to do? You want to go to a game? Football is, I mean right around the corner. You want to go to a football game, college or pro? We got baseball playoffs. Is your team going to be in the base? You live in San Diego. Well, your team's trying to make a run to win the World Series. Dodgers, the Yankees are in shambles, you name it. The Phillies. You want to go watch your team. 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You see it all the time, obviously in sports, but in other businesses, people die, people get sick, people get divorced, people are forced to move for whatever and it creates an opportunity for someone else. If you had nothing to do with it, it's hard to ever apologize for the opportunity that's given. And nothing is more true than in football. You know, Brock Purdy is one of the most talked about players in the NFL. Huge reason. Because he's a polarizing player. Because a lot of people don't think he's as good as he is. Some people do. Or regardless, his opportunity came because Trey Lance shattered his ankle and then Jimmy Garoppolo broke his foot. Who knows if Brock Purdy ever happens? If two feet don't get pointed the other way and guys cannot walk off the field, think about in about a month, little less than that, when training camp ends. I guess training camp technically ends a little bit before the cut down date, but when you cut down from 90 guys to 53, a lot of later round draft picks, guys not making that much money won't just make the team. They will earn starting jobs not because they are noticeably better than the guy they were competing against, but simply because they're about the same. And this guy makes a million and the guy we're cutting makes 10, makes 12, makes 8. So you're simply getting an opportunity because you are cheaper. Welcome to America. And Shador Sanders is getting an opportunity to start this game. And who knows, maybe the entire preseason depending on injuries because of the hamstring of Kenny Pickett and potentially Dylan Gabriel. Though reports are Dylan Gabriel looks terrible in practice, but who knows that if these injuries persist, maybe he gets to play a lot earlier than any of us thought. And this is football, guys get injured. I can imagine if we went to look at the hall of Fame and broke down the amount of players who began early in their career because of a couple injuries that Got thrust into action either as a rookie or a second year player because some guys got injured. The number would blow you away. For every guy that's just inserted as a starter immediately, there are a lot of guys that initially get their opportunity because of injury and sometimes opportunities come because on the other side something bad happens. And obviously Joe Flacco, they're not going to waste any reps on him. They're not even wasting that many practice reps, let alone reps in terms of the preseason. But I'm still a little perplexed by like, I understand if you told me Kyler Murray or Lamar Jackson in a game had a hams hamstring tweak when they were running like 50 miles an hour down the sideline, I'd be like, yeah, that's possible. Michael Vick, you know those type players. How does Dylan Gabriel tweak a hammy? He's not a running quarterback. Even Kenny Pickett, not a bad athlete, but like running, running around, doing what? So, but if I'm Shador, I don't care at all. And listen, I give Shador credit because it recently was reported. I forget who Deon told this to, but he said that Shador told him, don't show up. I don't want you here. The circus that you'll bring, given my status on this team, like, I just, I'd appreciate. I love you, dad. You mean everything to me. But you don't need to come to training camp to support me like you did with Shiloh. It's just, it's not necessary here. And I think, you know, it's a good learning lesson for a guy that is going to get the opportunity during these preseason games when you play, everyone watches. And one problem for Shador that he created was during the draft process. One, if you're not going to go really high, it's easy to fall in the draft. And a fall could be like, I thought he was going to go in the top 20, 25 and all of a sudden he was there in the mid-40s. So once you start dropping in the draft, especially multiple rounds, every team is passing on you. But for most players, like this year, I think Abdul Carter isn't a good example. He wasn't talking to every team. Why? Because he knew he was a top two or three lock, so why even waste any time? Deion Sanders has told stories about when he was coming out in the draft. He did the same shit. A lot of top players do that. Not because they're dicks or assholes. It's just a complete waste of time. But when you don't know where you're going to go, especially if you're just like a random second round pick, it is to your benefit to talk to every team. And the amount of stories I heard about Shador was like, you know, the good teams that were drafting in the 20s would want their quarterback coach to interview him and he'd be like, you already got a quarterback. You're not going to be interested in me. And their whole point was, you don't know how this draft's going to go. You could be there in the third round, fourth round and we'll just take you. But we didn't get to know you. So a lot of the teams were like, we know nothing about this guy. Well, now we're at the position where every team evaluates you. And the most important thing you can ever do in football is, is put it on film. It superseded everything in the history of the game. You can get in a shitload of trouble off the field, but if you put it on that tape, people will look the other way. And I'm not saying Shador is that, you know, in trouble or anything. I'm just saying all the stuff that led up to the draft, all the negativity that surrounded that situation to why he fell, he's in a position where none of that matters anymore. You go out and listen, Shador Sanders is not going to get cut this year. I think he's going to make the team. And I've never seen him throw a pass for the Cleveland Browns. Right. And who knows how this preseason is going to go. I'm pretty confident sitting here before he throws a preseason pass that he's going to make the team. But what about next year? They got two first round picks. I think we all agree they are going to suck. Who knows how many games he'll play in the regular season. I would short this team if he's, if he's playing a lot, whoever's playing. Like to me they're, they got about three or four wins written all over them because of their offensive quarterback situation is going to be really, really ugly. And next year they're going to have multiple picks and we all know they're going to be in the quarterback business, so. And who knows, you wouldn't think their coaching GM would lose a job, but their own is kind of crazy. So what if a new coach comes in? What if he doesn't want the guy that I'm drafting, number two overall and Shador still around so what is Shador doing right now? He's auditioning to the entire league. And just like every player that's going to get substantial reps over these next couple of weeks. So all that stuff that happened, you know, during February, March and April, none of it matters if you start slinging that pill around because you start setting yourself up for the future. And listen, I'm really interested to watch. And his opportunity came because somehow a bunch of quarterbacks were pulling hamstrings. Okay, MVP scrolling around full app called DraftKings. And I think I'm going to get pretty aggressive with some futures. I'm going to do some division bets. I'm obviously I'm going to throw a couple on the MVP might do a couple conference winner bets and you know, over unders. I would rather just pick like, are you going to make the playoffs or not? Than the over unders, like living and dying with every single game. But who knows? I've never dabbled in the over unders, but we might talk about that. But the MVP is pretty simple. There's a group of four and there's a group of the four quarterbacks that we talk about all the time. Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, which are the favorites to win the mvp. They've obviously been the last two guys to win this award. Their teams are literally favored to win the super bowl and the conference, despite none of them actually winning the super bowl or the conference with these two guys. But that's where the odds are. They are both like 3, 4 to 1 to win the MVP. And their teams are, I think, if I remember correctly, like 6 to 1 to win the Super Bowl. That's ahead of the two teams who were literally in the super bowl last year. The Eagles have been there two of the last three years. The Chiefs have been there five of the last six years. Yet somehow these two teams are favored. Now listen, these are two great players. They are hall of Fame level players. Got no problem if you want to throw a little cash on Lamar or Josh. To me, the value though would be in the other two guys of that group. One is Mahomes, who listen, for the most part, when you look at MVP, especially over the last 15 years, it's a lot of Aaron Rodgers, it's a lot of Tom Brady, it's a lot of Peyton Manning, a lot of Patrick Mahomes, and now Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. So it's not a lot of random guys. It's usually the cream of the crop. Not just the best player in the league, but like one of the best players of all time. So I don't think you can ever go wrong picking from this group even though they're odds like you're getting the worst. Roi. I do think with Joe Burrow, he's a good example. Unlike those other two guys, he's proven like he can go the distance. Now winning, you know, in terms of making it to the Super Bowl. Now how you do in the playoffs does not impact how you get voted on before. You know, this is a regular season award. But I do think when you look at Joe Burrow last year, he was awesome and he was in the discussion and his team didn't win. I think if you, if you want to bet on Joe Burrow, the logic has to be this, the defense is just better and their team wins 12 or 13 games and he puts up similar numbers because if he does the same thing he did last year and Instead of winning nine games, his team wins 12 or 13, maybe wins the division or at least is like the five seed. He is not just in the discussion, he's going to get a lot of votes because the one thing he has going for him, unlike the Bills and the Ravens now is you go the Ravens have been one of the better run organizations in American sports for the last 25 plus years. The Bills over this Josh Allen run well, run. We know what they're doing. Most people and it's the media that votes think the Bengals are kind of a joke. Fair or not, people don't take them seriously. So you get extra credit elevating that group. So to me that's how you have to look about it if you think the Bengals are going to be good this year. And I mean not like, I mean they were pretty good last year, especially down the stretch. I mean a 12, 13 win team. I think there's value there in Joe Burrow and to me, Mahomes, who's already won two of these in a weird way because I think it's hard for people like Lamar's already won two. Josh finally got over this. Nice. He kind of got to look at it from a narrative standpoint, an angle standpoint. And the thing with Mahomes, we all know like I think he's the best quarterback in the league now his stats, he hasn't had the best stats in the league. And just on an individual like game in, game out basis over the last couple of years, people would say Josh Allen's been better, Lamar Jackson's been better. Yeah, my home's teams win all the games and they definitely Win them all when they matter. So we all kind of acknowledge like yeah, just, just don't bet against, against this guy when it matters. Well, the problem is the last couple years. 27 touchdowns, 11 picks last year or 14 picks last year, 26 touchdowns, 11 picks. His stats haven't been good enough to really be in the conversation. Right. But if you tell me this year now, I think the question mark, Rashi Rice going to get suspended. I think he actually did a couple days ago, you know, for the first couple games or maybe that was Jordan Addison. I can't, I can't keep up with these guys getting car issues. But he's going to be gone for a couple games. Can worthy take a step their running game situation, their offensive line be better? How much Travis Kelsey I think it's hard to bet a little on their skill guy in terms of how explosive his numbers are going to be. But if you believe and you like their group and you think he can get back to high 30s in terms of touchdowns. We know the Chiefs in shitty years they win 11, right? Good years like last year, they cruise. Cruise would be strong. I mean they won a lot of one score games but they're a team that no one shocked when they win 13, 14 games. So if you have a quarterback who we all consider the best player in the league or the most important player in the league for sure, and one of the great winners of all time, he puts up good stats on a team that wins 13, 14, he's just going to be in the conversation. Now I am not opposed to being like, yeah, I'm not really messing with that group. Even though the group of quarterbacks over the course of the last 15 years has basically just been one of those type guys. I do think there could be a couple dark horses. And we had like a three and out team meeting earlier today and we were just throwing different ideas around and my guy Noah on the, on the zoom was like, what do you think about Baker Mayfield 25 to 1. My first reaction was like, I don't know. And I started looking at it. If you go over the last 15 years, there are a couple outliers, right? A lot of Tom Brady's, a lot of Aaron Rodgers, a lot of Mahomes, a lot of Peyton Mannings and then there's back to back Cam Newton and Matt Ryan. And I think Baker has something in common with both these guys. One to be, I don't want to call those guys randoms. I mean Cam Newton was the number one overall pick. Matt Ryan was The number three overall pick, Baker Mayfield, number one overall pick. Those guys were really famous before the best years of their career, right? Cam Newton, Matt Ryan, outlier years, best record in the league, best super bowl level teams. And I think if you look at the bucks and you go, is this a team that can win 12, 13 games? Because last year they won 10 and they were solid and Baker put up really good numbers. But if they could win 13 and go 13 and four and be the two seed and Baker is similar numbers in terms of 40ish touchdowns, maybe cut down a couple interceptions though Baker's always going to be a guy, throw some picks, but I think you can live with it if you're winning. And it clearly he's the best player on the team. The heartbeat of the team. And a lot like these guys, it goes, they couldn't be here without that guy. And I think there's some momentum when you're a really famous player like Baker Mayfield based on your draft status. That's what Cam Newton and that's what Matt Ryan had. They had momentum of someone being in the vernacular now, unlike Cam and Matt, those guys had been on the same team the whole time. Bakers had a little adversity, which I think adds to the story. 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I'm Katie Couric. Jasmine Crockett, Democratic representative of Texas, is not known for holding back and our recent chat on Next Question is exception. But when you hear how she got to where she is, her intensity makes perfect sense.
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John Middlekauff
The other guy is this. This award. You could rename it the Quarterback Award and I understand it. Though I would like a little more variety. I wish the best defensive player could be in the conversation more. And I wish the best non quarterback, whether it's running back or wide receiver, could be in the conversation more as well. That's typically not what happens. I do Think there's a parallel, though, with Saquon Barkley and terrell Davis in 1998 when he won the MVP. The Broncos had won the Super bowl in 1997, and Terrell Davis had had a massive year. 1700 yards, 15 touchdowns, and was just a dominant, dominant player. He came back the next year and he ran for 2000. Now, I don't think Saquon Barkley is going to go back to back 2000, but like Terrell Davis coming off a championship, we all acknowledge he's not, just as we sit here right now, the best running back in the league. He's clearly one of the best offensive players in the league. So if he comes back this year with the team. I already saw Devonte Smith battling back injuries. A.J. smith or A.J. brown's had some injuries. Like their wide receivers kind of get banged up and when all else fails, their offensive line is loaded. Hand the ball to that guy. They just invested him. They want him to be a star. The more he's a star, the better they look right for stealing him from the Giants. They're going to put the nail in the coffin. And at 50 to 1 right, of all the guys that are truly a long shot, you just went, well, what if Saquon, even if he doesn't get back to 2000, what if he has 1800 yards and the Eagles have the best record in the nfc, which I think we all agree is very possible. They have easily one of the best rosters in the league and they're going to run the ball. Now, the one thing is, unlike terrell Davis in 1998, John Elway wasn't running the tush push. So the tush push is going to take away several touchdowns from Saquon. Last year, I think Saquon had, I didn't write it down, but like 13 touchdowns rushing the ball, I think. Let me, Let me just double check on this. I don't want to screw this up because obviously Jalen had a bunch. Yeah, sake one at 13 touchdowns last year, which is fair to say. If the tush push didn't exist, that number is easily 17 or 18. And Terrell Davis in 1998 had 21. So if that number can go from like 13 to 18, and we know how often he busts these big runs. Last year he set a record, I think, for most runs from scrimmage over 60 plus yards. I just think there's some value there. I don't think you're crazy if you're like, yeah, through 50 bucks on saquon Barkley and you just have a chance come the home stretch of December. So to me you could make a case from a homes and burrow. But I do think there's some value in Baker at 25 to 1 and Saquon Barkley at 50 to 1. Quick thing before we get out of here. When I got into radio and I got a job at 957 the game in the Bay Area, their number one show was hosted by a guy named John Lund and Greg Papa. And Greg Papa is one of the more accomplished, I would say, broadcasters that I've ever been around because he has called play by play games. He went to syracuse in the 80s and got hired out of college and immediately worked in the NBA at like 22 years old. But by the late 90s he had called A's games, he had called San Francisco Giants games. He was the broadcaster, like the voice of the Oakland Raiders for Al Davis and he also called warriors games on television. So. And now he's currently the 49ers play by play guy. He's had one of the most unique careers and something we will never see again. Even if you go to a market or there are several teams, you'll never have a guy that been like called Yankees games, called Giants games, called Knicks games, called jets games and I called some Mets games. Like it's just, it's just not happening anymore. But it was recently it came out and I consider him a friend. He's someone that I've admired, that I looked up to because his love and passion for sports is, are unlike anything I've ever been around. But in terms of a radio host like Greg Papa will shut down a bar. Greg Papa will party. Greg Papa will have a good time. He is one of those personalities that when people meet, they just love him because you don't meet many people like him. And I was thinking the other day, like I haven't met that many Greg Papas and it was reported last week, well, he came out with a statement that he was diagnosed with cancer and he's the play by play guy for the 49ers. And for those of you that you know, I don't know how much you're paying attention to this, but typically in the preseason, unlike basketball and football, there are no local television broadcasts in football. Right. So when you're, you know, if you're a Cowboy fan, it's the Cowboys Eagles, you don't have a local broadcaster. They're the local broadcast on the radio. So he's the radio voice of the 49ers, and he's sick and he's battling cancer. He's going to go through, you know, chemo and everything to try to beat it. And obviously, he's going through a rough time. And it really shook me up last week because I love Greg Papa. He's the fucking man. And I text him, sounded like he's in good spirits, but he's not going to be able to do the football game. And, you know, speaking of opportunities, one of my best friends, Guy that married me and Maria in Nashville earlier this year, a guy that got me into radio back in 2013 when I got out of football. And then we had a radio show for years, and then we had a podcast for a long time. Guy Haberman will fill in for Greg and do the television broadcast for the 49ers for the next three weeks. And I've always said, I think Guy is one of the more talented young broadcasters in all the sports. I mean, he's already done NBA games for the warriors when they were in their heyday. He's done professional baseball games. He does now the Big Ten Network. He calls games with Yogi Roth in doing this. So, you know, it's. You're kind of torn because you're so excited for your boy's opportunity. He's calling NFL games on television. I mean, it's not the regular season, but it's a pretty big deal. And yet the reason he's there is because Greg Sick, who I was looking through my phone. We have pictures. You know, Greg is one of those guys that. He's probably one of the rare guys that you could put him in any situation in Northern California. And one, he either find his way out and they'd probably end up having a cocktail by the end of it. And, you know, we, me and Guy were hanging out with him at a San Francisco Giants game. And you know, the way if you've ever seen Oracle park, where the Giants, the baseball team plays, where you McCovey Cove, where you hit it over, there's like that short little section, right? So it's. If you hit it far enough, it flies over. Because there's not like a long stands. There's a secret bar underneath that area. It's called the Gotham Club. I never knew it existed. And we were. This was 2000, I think 19. We were hanging out with him. It must have been on like an August or July day. And he's like, let's go to the Gotham Club. And we walk right up and I remember we, none of us have passes or anything. It's not like we're there with the media. We're just there hanging out and we basically get up to the front and the guy goes, the Godfather. Because that was kind of his. Greg's nickname in the area. And he just lets us in and we just, we just kind of hang there for the whole game. You, you can go down to like this little fence area where you can see the field from ground level. You're right there with a cocktail. It's incredible. But I used to hang out with Greg after Warriors games. He used to be the post game host during the Durant Steph Curry kind of era. Have cocktails in the club after. I just have a lot of fun memories with Greg. He's not dead or anything, but I'm just saying I, I just. He's just a legendary human who's meant a lot to my life. It's kind of crazy how the world works. Coming full circle. And I know it's the same with Guy, someone he has idolized from a play by play standpoint and now filling his shoes. And there aren't many people that could fill his shoes. But it's just, it's just a pretty cool slash powerful moment with in this situation. So I'm excited to watch 49er preseason games, which I got to be lying or I would be lying if I told you that before this situation because I. Most of these preseason games, they bore me. Like they don't. I love this. I love football. Like I can watch Adore Sanders or you know, if Caleb's playing if I can watch certain situations. But once you get to the position where it's like, you know, Collins going on these takes about the Lions and their disorganization. I have a hard time having any judgment with anything preseason. I mean I really do. Especially once you get to like the third the Threes playing. It's just none of these guys are going to be playing on Sunday, so. But watch the 49er game.
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Okay, let's dive into a little mailbag at John Middlecoff. At John Middlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on this podcast. We will start with Stephen. Question for the mailbag. I'm a Niner fan and my brother's a Rams fan. He seems to think that even if Stafford is out they will make the playoffs and make a run in the nfc. The only team that could challenge him is the Cardinals. I know you mentioned being out on Rams. If Stafford goes down, can you please help me bring him back to reality on the impact of Stafford in their likelihood to be good without him? Curious your thoughts on a healthy Niner team versus a Staffordless Rams team as well? Matt Stafford is dramatically better, dramatically better than Jimmy garoppolo even at 37 years old. So if the drop off for Jimmy to Matt Stafford is really really wide and I think by far one of the biggest stories in the NFL right now. If Matt Stafford was 100% healthy to start the season, you'd be like they're going to be one of the better teams in the league. He has a herniated disc, his back is messed up and there is no guarantee that it's going to get better. Now on the bright side, big picture, this is where the Rams get credit. They said, matt, we're not signing you to a multi year contract. We will go year by year. You're probably going to take a little less money here, but you're just too old, too many, too much tread on the tires. You're an awesome player but we got to go year to year. So if you want out we'll help you facilitate a trade and go get paid. And he wanted to stay and they like they're in it. It would screw him this year a little bit. But I do not think they can make the playoffs with Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo has been not very good for a while. Plus the Rams offensive line isn't exactly the mid-90s cowboys. You kind of got to stay in there and take some hits and that is not how Jimmy plays football. So I would just be out on the ramps. Not that they're going to be a dumpster fire, but they won 10 games last year, they won 10 games last couple years so I have a hard time seeing them be a 10 win team. If Jimmy Garoppolo is playing all the games and this point in time, like who knows they can say week one with Stafford you got. We all got to agree it's pretty concerning if you're a Rams fan. My question is, as a scout, what did you see from Cam Ward that showed you promise coming out of college? What about hesitation? I've been a Titan fan since I was nine so it was really cool to finally get a superstar quarterback, the first since Steve McNair. I was a Jake Locker believer but couldn't stay healthy, had a moment, couldn't stay healthy. You had Vince. Yeah, you had something. You had a rough stretch. I would say this, I do think there are some similarities to his playing style coming out of college to Caleb Williams. Big arm, big time playmaker. Not the tallest guy like shade under 6 2, but just a very instinctive playmaker. Now playing within the pocket in the construct of the offense is something that he's going to have to improve on. I've seen some clips and know some people with the Titans, they love the guy, the kid, the mindset, the work ethic, just how much he cares and how hard he's trying right now. So being a young player you basically got to just soak everything in and work 247 in training camp to try to figure out what's going on. But there's an instinctive element to playing quarterback and even Caleb, like if Caleb becomes a high end player, he's never going to be Jared Goff. He's got to be a playmaker like Russell Wilson and just find out a way to balance it. And I mean the Russell Wilson of Seattle, to me there are elements there with Cam Ward, he's a playmaking quarterback. Obviously you're going to have to make throws from the pocket in big spots, but he's just a natural, kind of just making shit happen. So I think he's really good. A couple years ago it was more just like the physical talents, but last year at Miami, it was really impressive. I mean, their defense was a joke. Now the conference wasn't great. So he's got a, you know, going from the ACC to the NFL. Big jump, right? Just no different Caleb going from USC to. It was a pretty big jump. It's a lot different playing Arizona, you know, in, you know, Washington State than it is playing these guys. But I've seen some of his press conferences. He seems like a really impressive guy. Easy guy to root for superstar quarterback. I don't know if I go that far, but I don't see why he couldn't be a good player in the NFL. Two part question thoughts on YouTube Golf. I love it, but I'd rather sit down and watch Bryson, Grant Horvat and Those guys on YouTube for an hour over watching a whole weekend of a tournament. Second, I'm an Eagles guy, but huge fan of Joe Burrow. Any chance he ever gets out of Cincinnati and wins a Super bowl or are we watching another Dan Marino situation? I watch a lot of YouTube golf, so, yeah, big fan. The difference is I do like watching professional golf, but I gamble on it every week. I would say, when it comes to Joe Burrow, this is a big year. Now, you know, Colin brought this up and you're seeing this with these guys. Ask for trades. People ask for trades all the time. Guess who rarely gives a shit? The owner, the gm. It's like, yeah, Miles Garrett demanded a trade. There's like, here, Miles, here's $100 million. That's not the way it works in these other sports. In basketball, when you demand a trade, you get traded. In baseball, you typically get traded too. But in football, like, Joe Burrow could demand a trade. Let's say Joe Burrow throws 50 touchdowns this year and they won nine games, which seems crazy, but let's just in some world or 10 games and miss the playoffs. He's like, I demand a trade at the Super Bowl. He, like, goes to the super bowl. Like Miles Garrett. He goes on the shows and he says that I don't think the Bengals would care. I honestly don't think they would do anything and be like, cool, we're not trading you. I think it'd be that simple. So I think he might ask for one in the next 18 months if it doesn't go well. And I think the Bengals would say, kick rocks. Tough shit. Fair. Not like. I just think that's kind of is what it is. I've been a listener since 17. I grew up in Sacramento, so it was cool, see someone in the area, have a platform. It's been a pleasure. God. Like this guy. I'm just curious if you ever get recognized in public on a consistent basis or a bit more these past few years. If so, do you mind the attention in the interaction? Yeah, but I've been recognized, you know, I'm just bald guy. So I guess. Easy to point out. I don't mind it at all. I mean, it's. It's. It's a. It's. It's an honor to anyone that comes up to me and say they listen. They like the podcast, they listen to the podcast, They're a fan of the podcast. That's the whole point I'm doing this for. So, yes, it's extremely, extremely cool when that happens, especially if I'm, like, with someone else. Like, God, this guy's pretty cool. Me and Maria were on a walk in Tahoe, and someone came up, said, what's up? So, yeah, don't mind them at all. I do, though. See, if you were. Mine are so few and far between. It has zero impact on, like, how I'm living my life. I remember telling someone this at Tahoe after we were having some drinks. It's like, I do understand if you're like, Michael Jordan or Tiger woods or. I don't know if, like, a business, like, would Jeff Bezos or Warren Buffett get this? Probably not as much, but, like, Patrick Mahomes. Like, Patrick Mahomes probably can't just go out and eat a dinner with his wife in Kansas City and just sit at a normal restaurant around other people. Probably just impossible. That does kind of suck, that losing. I mean, obviously a lot comes with it. The money, the fame. But you do lose an aspect of your life, being able to just live. I remember Roy McElroy was telling a story once when he went over to Tiger's house because they lived near each other in Florida. And he's like, hey, you won't. You want to go get dinner? This was like, five years ago, maybe. Maybe six. But, I mean, Rory was very famous by then, but, I mean, Tiger was like Michael Jackson or something. Tiger looked at him like, you mean, like, out in public? Like, no, I don't do that. Said, so I can't. You couldn't even. Wouldn't even be able to get to the food. So I do understand, like, Steph Curry, like, how Does Steph Curry just do a normal human thing? And the reality is they don't really in terms of public situations. Devonte Adams throwback to my long ass question I Devonte had some comments today about Travis Hunter and I don't see how anyone could read his comments and not just go, yeah, of course this is the whole thing about playing both ways. And even devonte said, can Travis Hunter play both ways? Of course he's physically talented enough to do it. Can you play at a high level and for both ways for a long time? And devonte essentially said, I'm going to give you a cliff note version. Getting injured in the NFL is a hundred percent guarantee. 100%. If you play a position wide receiver or corner, 100% guarantee you're going to get hurt sometime. And Devonte is like you basically double your risk if you never come off the field. Because if I'm a wide receiver and I play 60 snaps during the game, well, if I play double that 120 or even just an extra 40, my percentage chance of being injured goes way up. So the mileage also on my body over the course of a career isn't just going to shorten your career. I've said this all along and listen, he's not maybe how could he be worried about what are you going to look like at 32 years old? It's all about how you're playing right now. And can he do it right now? 100%. Can he be a starting wide receiver in the NFL? Yes. Can he? You know, I don't know. Depending on who you talk to that scouted him like exactly how to play him. Can he just bring him in on like third and second and long and have him be like an off corner and let his kind of instincts work, kind of that, you know, that's like his skill set. But can he do it as a rookie? 1,000%. But like over the course of your career and then this always gets complicated if it does go well, how do I invest into a player which would be an astronomical amount of money for a guy whose percentage chance to get injured is double everyone else? Like if I pay Jamar Chase $150 million, the only opportunity Jamar Chase has to get injured when he's playing football is, is on wide receiver. He doesn't like on defense, he's on drink Gatorade. So I disagree with devonte saying, and like devonte saying, I'm rooting for the guy. No, I'm not rooting against him. I hope he does well but we have to acknowledge this is impossible to maintain and do this long term if the goal is to play at the highest level and be a superstar and to get paid the most amount of money possible. Enjoy the podcast Lions missing the playoffs it actually one of a couple of my future bets I have for this coming year. I would like to hear your thoughts on my favorite bets I've taken so far. Lions to miss the playoffs 2 to 1 Packers to win the North I'm in on you on that one. Plus 250 Colts under seven and a half wins minus 110 so I saw today a little fantasy. I'm not a big fantasy guy, but I follow fantasy websites to get NFL information around training camp. Adore Mitchell Now Adani Mitchell, the wide receiver that the Colts took last year in the second round from Texas. Mitchell. I was pretty high on him last year. Then obviously the Colts offense fell apart. I guess he just destroyed the Ravens and joint practices. He's a really, really talented player now. I think you guys that are way deeper into fantasy than me know that taking talented wide receivers with weird quarterback situations is very risky. But if they're able to figure it out between these two guys, you know, I think Anthony Richardson's had some moments. Daniel Jones. Who knows if he has or not. We're going to find out over the next couple of weeks. Anthony Richardson I think starting this first preseason game. But regardless, I think the colts could be okay. 10 wins probably not. But could they get to eight? Nine? I would say yeah. They definitely have enough talent on their team if their quarterback operation is just okay. You had Tyler Warren, you got Jonathan Taylor. If Mitchell's good. Donnie Mitchell, I think his name is. Falcons over seven and a half wins I just couldn't bet on the Falcons. The Rams and missed the playoffs. Plus 150. I think that is definitely a decent bet right now if Stafford is in major question mark. I don't think that's crazy at all. Bills under 11 and a half wins I think Bills are good. I would pick the bills to win 12, 13 games every single year until Josh Allen falls off a cliff. I heard you list the top defensive coordinators and felt like Spags got snubbed. Do you consider him a top tier defense? I do. You just. Sometimes when I'm just ranting and raving, you forget about a guy. Obviously he's one of the best coordinators in the league. Spags, Fangio, D', Amico Sala, Mike McDonald. I mean there's a. There's a short list. Brian Flores of just elite defensive minds, Belichick, who's not in the NFL. But what era of quarterbacks would you consider the best era ever? I think if you're older, you feel pretty confident about saying, well, I grew up on Marino, Elway and Joe freaking Montana. Like, that's. That's hard to beat. I grew up on Steve Young, Brett Far of Troy Aikman pretty good. I do think the stretch of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers with like Drew Brees and Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers and man, that was pretty good stretch. Pretty hard to beat. If Tom Brady's the best quarterback of all time, Peyton Manning is considered a top five guy of all time. You could make the argument Rodgers top five guy right there. At least top six, seven. You know, Drew Brees is a top 15 quarterback. I think Roethlisberger, when he was on was as good as anybody I've ever seen. So I think that run from like early 2000s to like 2015, pretty freaking good. We're on a pretty good one right now with the top crew of guys. I think it's just cyclical. Every decade plus, you kind of get a new crew of guys that kind of separate from the pack. And that was the group I grew up on was Steve Young, was Brett Favre and Troy Aikman. But it was really. I mean, Brett Favre was the best of that group and Steve was damn good too. Troy was just on such a good team and was a really good player. But I think when you look around, the totality of other quarterbacks in that era might not be as great as it was now. Question for the pod about staffers injury. Kind of pissed this is coming up now when just a few months ago they that he was complaining about more guaranteed money. Wonder if Kelly and he knew it and just wanted to squeeze the last remaining money that they could. Maybe an MRI doesn't pick up back. I'm not a doctor and know how all that stuff works, but to sign a contract, you get a physical even if you're on the team, typically, especially in a situation like that. Was he a free agent? I guess he technically wasn't. Maybe he didn't get a physical, but they. I mean, he was around them. Did he tweak his back somewhere after the season? Is this something that came up? I'd also say, you know, part of business, especially in a business like this, is you get as much money until they say there's no money left. You know, when you hear players talk, they go, I'm not worried about the salary cap. I don't want. That's not my problem. I heard Trent Williams say that the other day was like, I don't even factor in the salary cap when I'm worrying about my salary. That is not my problem. I think Matt Stafford would go that not my problem. Who you're paying, how. But based on what I've done for this franchise, even if my back is a little tweaked, even if he. Them. That's where McVeigh, unless. Would get credit. Because clearly if they knew Matt Stafford had a bad back, they just would have. They would have traded him. But even if he kind of knew, like, oh, my back's acting weird, I. You got to give them credit for like, listen, listen, buddy. We're going no more than one year. This is a year by year thing. So I. I do stand by. Like, that was shrewd business because it would have been pretty easy to be like, oh, we love you, Matt. We'll give you a couple of years. That's what most teams would have done, most owners would have done. My question is about scouts and the gm. As a former scout, how much of the final draft board is controlled by the GM versus the intel gathered by the scouting team? I'm curious to know how much influence the scouting team has on building NFL rosters. Well, they have a lot because they bring all the information. So most of the information that the coaches and the GM use once they meet kids at the combine at all star games and then bring them in the facility is based on that information that they've. And all the details about the person that the scout has gathered. So that information is extremely important. And it's not like, you know, why don't. Why doesn't AI just replace them? I'm just using an example because that is not public information. Like, you have to go to the school to get the information. And so there is a value there. And depending on the team, certain scouts and certain personnel departments have more power than others. There are a lot of teams where the coach and if the coach has a lot of juice, that means his staff has a lot of juice. So a lot of times the draft board will be somewhat set, you know, early ish April. Then the coaching staff gets very involved and they got takes. Well, why do they got takes? Because unlike the scouting staff, who has evaluated these guys for years, right? If you have the sec, you have watched certain players since they were freshmen, so you know the player. And if you're watching a star player, like, if you Were going into Ohio State last year. If you're an assistant GM or a college scouting director and you hit Ohio State and Alabama, who do you think you ask people about Caleb Downs. So you have been accumulating information on guys that are going to get drafted in a year or two. Right now you don't think all these scouts are talking to the Brian Hartline and the head coach like, so, man, tell me about Jeremiah Smith, even though he's two years away. So you're just gathering information and you know, most kids is good, but who knows? You never know. It could be bad, it could just be like, yeah, we're working through some things. Pretty immature young guy. And then by their junior year they're matured. But you have a running diary about them. Well, the coaches get involved and what do they do? Let me get Kirby on the phone, let me get my boy Sark on the phone. Let me get position coaches. And they call these guys and they're like, I'm telling you, my best friend from college is the D line coach at Oregon and he told me, not coach this guy. And that's where kind of can shift is. Belichick was notorious for this. Scouting staff would set the board and then the draft would come and the draft board would be completely different. I mean, look at the scouts. I mean, they're all over the league, running teams, they're all high level guys. Yet Bill had all these bad drafts. Well, why? Because Bill wasn't listening to anybody. I think sometimes a GM wants to listen to a scouting staff, but the coach has so much juice because the coach is making three. If you're a GM and you're making $5 million, which is an incredible job, great amount of money. Well, what if your coach is making 14? You think when, you know, push comes to shove and you're in an argument a day before the draft, you're trying to set the board with the coach and the owner. Coach is like, well, I talked to my boy, you know, Sharon Moore or Dabo gave me a call the other day and he said that you got to be careful with this guy. Or it's usually the opposite. It's usually something positive. It's like he said he loves this guy. Well, of course he does. Because the higher that guy gets drafted, the better it looks for him. So that's where I think things get way crazy. We're in basketball and baseball for the most part. Like in baseball, no one's telling the GM what to do. No one telling Billy Bean, Andrew Friedman, any of These guys, they run the show. In basketball the GMs have a lot of juice. In football, the coach gets so involved because the draft process is so long and they start watching guys and they're like, you know, Stephen A or Colin, they got takes. If you had to save your life, to save your life, you can rotate them as you please. One game in their prime, all things equal, who is your choice? A Saquon and AP B. Chris Johnson and LT C. Derrick Henry and Marshall Falk. D CMC and Jerome Bettis. I think the worst player. Here's the thing with the running back, like if you give me, you know, Saquon and Adrian Peterson, I need a little thunder and lightning. So like Derek Henry and Marshall Falk would be pretty unreal. Chris Johnson, Ladanian Tomlinson, like I would never take Ladanian Tomlinson off the field. CMC and Jerome Bettis. That's a little like, it's a little left, right? You know, you got the big power back. I probably just go Derek Henry and Marshall Falk. I mean Marshall Falk's one of the greatest players in the history of the league and Derek Henry is going to be a first ballot hall of Famer. I do think Chris CMC and Jerome Bettis, both healthy in their prime, would, would do some, would do some damage. Saquon and Adrian Peterson, kind of similar players, elite between the tackles, high end speed, just awesome toting the rock. Neither guy, especially Adrian Peterson is not good in pass protection. Saquon when he tries is pretty good, not great pass catchers. Adrian Peterson had bad hands. So for two guys that, I mean Adrian's gonna be hall of Famer. Saquon, if he stays healthy for a couple years, gonna be hall of Famer, definitely hall of Fame level player. I don't know if you can put up the numbers, but that one sounds great on paper. But in theory I'd probably go Derrick Henry, Marshall Falk. Okay, last question. Wind on this, of course it's about Jerry. Cowboy fan, far from a Jerry fan. But are we really going to act like Jerry hasn't offered Micah a contract to make him the highest paid non quarterback? Also last season Micah was saying he doesn't want to be the highest paid. He wants to be able to build a team. So which is it sounds like his agent has taken over and wants his cut. My prediction, 45 million four year extension. And the media talks about how Jerry overpaid for Micah within five minutes of the news. Obviously there's a lot going on here. I think it's Pretty simple that in any line of. Of business, right, there are different people that do different roles on this podcast. I. I don't cut up my social clips. I don't even know how to do that. I don't load the podcast to the feed. I don't. I'm not pressing the button and cutting it up and putting it on YouTube. We got a team. We got a bunch of guys kicking ass and taking names. Just like in all your industries, whatever you do, you probably work with other people that do other things. And if you're an individual and you pay someone to do something and I'm telling you, like, hey, we need you to sign this contract. And I go, let's use an example. I don't have an agent or a lawyer that negotiates my contracts. I guess if I had a big question, I would. I could reach out to somebody. But for the most part, if, like, hey, we. We got to put together this contract for you to do these shows with Coward on Fox Sports. Here it is. And I say, actually, could you send it to my lawyer or my agent or whatever, right? I pay that guy to look over the contract. And Jerry won't call the guy that looks over the contract. It's literally his job. It's why Micah Parsons pays him. Now, if it was an outlier situation, like, no one in the NFL does this. Like, what's going on here, Micah, Literally everyone does this beside a couple guys here and there throughout the years. It is a standard process. That has been the way that they have signed other players, has worked through their agent. So when Jerry tries to do a deal straight up with Micah Parsons, you could argue it's a little unfair. Jerry's done a kajillion deals in his life, right? Stadium deals, player contracts, you name it. Oil deals, buying teams. He's a deal maker. Like, when you think of Jerry Jones, you think a guy that does deals, Micah Parsons, a pass rusher, not a deal maker. Like, Micah Parsons has that podcast on Bleacher Report, right? Do you think Micah Parsons did that deal? Of course not. His marketing team or his agent did it all, set it all up, and they sent him the equipment. I mean, with a guy setting it all up, maybe Mike already had it set up. But, like, you think he negotiated the details of that contract? No, it's not his job. So he pays people to do that. So it's like, like, we're going to live this weekend, Me and Coward, $200 million. Phil got the 150. DJ and Bryson 300. Rob got they had a manager, an agent or a lawyer negotiate the deal and then they paid him whatever, maybe million dollar flat fee or whatever it was. But like, that was the guy's job. So my issue with this whole situation is like, if you want to get a deal done and you know, Mike is like, you got to go through this guy. This. I'm paying him to do this for me. And Jerry won't like, what are we doing? What's the point of all this? And I get Jerry's position. If this guy did something to piss you off, I, I'm not privy. Done know if that happened or not. But it's to be mad at Micah for not wanting to talk with Jerry when Jerry knows that he's not even running point on this because the agent is. It all seems like a waste of time. 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