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3 & Out - Should the Bengals consider a new coach, Fields isn't the problem in NY, Does Jerry regret trading Micah
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John Middlecoff
What is going on, everybody? How are we doing, John? Middlecoft three and out podcast. I didn't get the chance to record till way later in the day and I sat down on my desk and I was looking at my DMs. I said, you know What? I have so many questions in the mailbag. Let's just do a big one. So at johnmittlecoff is the Instagram fire in those DMs. Get your questions answered here on the show. That's what we're doing. And just a massive like an hour long mailbag. And that'll be today's show. We'll, we'll have some other stuff obviously as the week goes on. And clearly on Thursday night, big game. 49ers who are like a, you know, like a medical. They might as well just bring seven blue tents to that game because I don't even know if they're going to be able to feel a roster. Playing the Rams in theory should be a big game, but the Niners are injured and the Rams look like pretty good team right now. So we will, we will react to that. On Thursday night, I'm actually going to be in California. Got a buddy getting almost said getting married. He's not getting married. He is married with multiple kids. He's having his 40th birthday. So we're doing a blowout party somewhere in Napa, which should be fun. Have a few cocktails, let it flow. But I will be. Nothing will change in terms of Thursday night. Reacting to the 49er and RAM game. Fired up for that thing. Regardless. If you know Kyle Shanahan might play quarterback for the 49ers and that thing. But again at John Middle cough Instagram, fire in those dms. Subscribe to the podcast if you listen on Collins feed, also YouTube. All of our content is up there as well. Make sure you subscribe to that. But before we dive in any football, you know, I got to tell you about my friends, my partners in the official ticketing app of this podcast, Game Time. Best in the business. What do you want to do? 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If the Bengals part ways with Zach Taylor, could you see them going after Brian Flores? They need a defensive coach to tweak the defense and he can let Joe Burrow run the offense. Fair question. I would say last year if they would have fired Zach Taylor after nine and eight, it would have been one of the most coveted jobs in recent memory. It would have been people lined up just because Joe Burrow that offense. You just don't get the opportunity to coach a guy like Joe Burrow very often. I do wonder if looking at that gig now, Joe, another major injury. The way they've allocated the resources, the roster is not great. You got to deal with the owner. Factoring into it'll be interesting. Now to me, Brian Flores has proven to be an excellent defensive coordinator. Obviously his defense is in Miami when he's the head coach is good. He was awful with offense. He didn't treat the quarterback well. He copied the Belichick thing. Just be a complete asshole to the guy. And he treated the offensive staff. I mean everyone couldn't stand the guy. So I just think that's a major question mark because in 2025, listen, defense is really important but like if I have question marks with your ability to deal with the offense, specifically the quarterback, it's just it would be a non starter for me. So to me that's something that obviously Kevin o' Connell is a quarterback, I would imagine but. But the Belichick guys have all proven. I mean Josh McDaniels did the same thing. Now Brian was a better head coach than Josh McDaniels but they just become head coaches and they just can't deal with anybody. It's like a tried and true formula. All of them because they just copied the guy. Now Flores spent some time around Tomlin spent some time around Kevin o'. Connell. Maybe he's changed. But honestly, if I owned a team, I would have just a no Belichick guy rule. We just wouldn't mess with them. That just would be a non starter. And they've proven, you know, Marvin Lewis was like they've hired good coaches before. But I don't know, I think the Bengals, if you're a Bengals fan right now, you got to feel a little cursed. I would say Zach Taylor's in trouble and I don't even Blame him like he's ain't picking the players for the back. How do you feel about Seahawks roster and what would it take for them to be considered a legit contender? Well, I watched him week one against the 49ers. First time, you know, start for the brand new quarterback, new offensive coordinator. Obviously they've been really good since they beat the crap out of the Steelers. Watch that game. They were just humiliating the Saints. So I kind of stopped paying attention after like a quarter and a half and last week being in New York City on the Thursday night game, it was just I was trying to kind of pay attention at this party but I didn't get a chance to lock in. Obviously they were up I think was it 17 to 3 late in the game and Kyler scored a couple late touchdowns and then they kicked the game winning field goal. But I bet on them to win the division and if you win the division meaning you get a home game especially if you're at a place like Seattle where the home game is really loud, obviously it's going to be hard for them to win the division just like it is for most teams. Right? Especially I mean The Rams are 3 and 1. Let's assume the Rams beat the 49ers. Like I think the Rams are looking like a 13ish 1213 win team. So that's kind of Seattle just has to hold pace and then when they plan beat them. So yeah, I mean if you win the division meaning you have you beat the Rams especially head to head, I would like their chance in the playoffs. They have extremely fast defense, they have an excellent head coach, you know, in terms of a defensive coordinator. And then offensively like this scheme has been proven to work and Sam's playing really well. So nice win. Short week on the road. Yeah, I mean I'm high on Seattle Vikings fan here. If JJ doesn't work out by the end of the season and the Bengals are still not making the playoffs, would you send everything you have to the Bengals to trade for Burrow? I'd send them three first three seconds and a player if needed. The Vikings roster is good enough to win and we just don't have a top quarterback. I think if you told me that Burrow had just had the season that he had and was completely healthy and they won like six games and he wanted out 100%. I do believe that injury has to terrify you. He has had a major knee injury, he's had the wrist injury or hand injury or whatever that was a couple years ago. And Then he had this year the toe and you could say they're all a little random, but they are three pretty significant injuries. They've essentially ended a season each time and I would have a hard time trading a freight. Like if you told me I would, you know, he's not available but like Herbert, no hesitation. Obviously a Lamar or Mahomes or Allen. No hesitation. I think the burrow thing with the injuries now has to terrify you. So could you take the risk? Sure. But I do wonder because the GM and the coach picked jj which is rare for this time. But I do think he would get three years. The shitty part for JJ is year one didn't even count because he didn't even play. Nothing happened. So he basically gets this year and next year, which is tough because you're spending a bunch of money. You have a ready made team to win. In theory they're just in a weird situation and it's got to sting. If spam Darnold, you know, it's one thing if he's winning 14 games for you. Well, if he goes to Seattle and they win 12 games, they're a playoff team. Even if they don't win the division, they win 11 games, they're a wild card team. You're going to regret it. You just are. A question for the pod. McVeigh and Shanahan are often compared since they are in the same division and good friends as Sean worked under him. However, I think the big difference between them is a Super bowl win. Now that McVeigh got his in 21 and went through the disaster in 22, he seems to be more free and just loves coaching and team and kicking ass. It's almost as if they're playing with house money. Compared to Kyle who has gotten close but still doesn't have the ring. He frankly just seems kind of as if he's wearing. If it's wearing on him, his best chances appears to be behind him. The 49ers can't seem to stay healthy and their roster isn't as stacked as it once was. I mean if you just physically look, he looks tired. However, there is a large age gap between him and McVeigh. So what might be a part of it. And Sean, I got to imagine has had some work done since being in Hollywood. He definitely has. He looks the exact same as he did at 30. At 39 years old, I mean the exact same. Now I text with a I. I worked one of his. Their coaches is married to a. To a girl lady, you know, she's Like a mother of three that I, I know pretty. I mean, I, I knew her much better probably 15 years ago, but I still. We follow each other on Instagram DM every once in a while about like, I, I just, we just bs and she congratulated me on my kids, my future kid, my wife's pregnant. And I, she had laughed at the. Something I had shared about him. And I'm like, is he like on HGH or something? Like, what's he. She's like, he does eat really healthy and he takes really good care of himself. Obviously he's got good genetics. I mean, he's just a good looking guy. But I, I think he is pretty health conscious in Los Angeles, I think. Kyle, I also think your personality is your personality. McVeigh is much more of an optimistic uplifter where, you know, kind of like McVeigh. I'm just going to use these, these are not perfect parallels, but it's more Pete Carroll, right? He's more positive, he's more uplifting. Kyle personality is, I mean, again, it's not saying he's Belichick, but he's much more grumpy than a lot of these guys. Like, I've been around Andy Reid a little happier, you know, it doesn't mean you can't have bad days. It doesn't mean that you're not serious and like stern. But like over the course of the year, like, I don't think Kyle's Mr. Happy Go Lucky. That's just not his personality. Like, your personality is your personality. Like you said, he's a little older. I mean, what's cop, 45 years old. I think Kevin O' Connell is a good example. I think Kevin O' Connel is a pretty optimistic guy. Right. LaFleur, who, you know is. Looks like he's got some work done as well. Good looking dude. I would say LaFleur leans a little, like negative, which I appreciate. Like, my natural inclination is to be negative. And I've really had to work on trying to be more positive. And I'm not even talking about like this. I'm just talking about in general, in life. Get it from my dad, you know, it's like it's something hereditary probably. But even though my grandpa Woody, his dad was a very optimistic human, it's just, I just think you're wired. Like, you're wired. And yeah, I mean, I think factor in alcohol, factor in no sleep, factor in age, stress. But I hear you. I do feel there's a looseness with Sean. I mean, his team's good. That helps. But I also think, which I really respect, we would have been worse off if he had taken all the money from Amazon and called games. Even though he probably would have been really good. But, like, we would have lost football fans because having him involved with the team is big. It's important. Like, we need coaching personalities, coaching stars. It matters to have Jim Harbaugh back in the NFL. It's cool that Dan Campbell's become a big deal in a store, right? It's awesome to have this legendary guy in Andy Reid be at the, you know, peak of his profession and then all these other kind of younger offensive coaches trying to figure it out. No, Connell and LaFleur and Kyle and trying to win a Super Bowl. So it's like, I'm glad that he denied it. And like you said, like, I've never really had adversity since I've been the head coach and they lost all those games and it was wearing on him. He was going to have a kid. But like, Sean McVeigh is meant to coach like that. That's his skill. I hope you're having a great evening. I never submit topics on podcasts, but I'm watching the jets and I can't understand how people think. Fields is the problem. O line sucks, play calling sucks, the defense sucks, and yet Fields is playing his heart out. I think he could have been a KOC type revived quarterback if he leaves the Jets. What are your thoughts? One thing Fields has proven over the years is, like, mentally he's really tough and he can be. And he has been in some really crappy situations and he keeps battling and trying. He is not Mr. Like, he's the opposite of tap out. Not giving you everything. He has. He. I have a lot of respect for the way he's handled his career. I don't think he's the most natural thrower of the football. And I don't mean like, ability to actually throw the ball. Like, he does have a powerful arm. He just has a powerful. I mean, he has a powerful arm, but I don't think you like sitting in the pocket. Like just a. Just a feel and a rhythm to his game doesn't really exist now. He's an incredible athlete, so he can take off. So I think he's. He's got some flaws that are hard to overcome. Can he be revived to be some student? I wouldn't go that far. But he's going to play in the NFL for a long time. And I'm with you. You watch the Jets. I mean there's just the penalties, the pre stat penalties. There's an organizational like character that needs to be reset, revamped and started over and right now the Raiders have that too. And Aaron Glenn's coming from a place where they revitalized the freaking Lions and he's realizing like this is not an easy culture to flip. I think Spy Tech and Pete Carroll are learning that too now. I also think the jets roster is really overrated. I mean I think SAS Gardner is like the most overrated player in the league, which is an indictment on the Jets. They did not need to pay him. I would have traded him. When should the Browns start Dylan Gabriel? This defense is ridiculously talented and I think we need a spark on offense. Do you think Shador will see the field? I saw a report about an hour ago that all indication is that Dylan Gabriel is going to start against Minnesota this week in in Europe which listen Flat Flacco, I'm honestly surprised he made it this far. You know Chidor's playing this year I would imagine. I think there is going to be a contingent and it's going to be pretty sad rooting against Dylan Gabriel and being like how is this guy playing? And listen, I was not a fan of Dylan Gabriel as an NFL prospect, but I also think the discussion around him people talk about Dylan Gabriel if you just turn on the shows, especially Deion's buddies, like how is Shador not playing over this guy? Dylan Gabriel started at Oklahoma and then he transferred to Oregon where he started again. Let me repeat Oklahoma and Oregon and last year Oregon up until Ohio State beats their beat their brakes off in the Rose bowl was widely considered one of if not the best team in the country. The Oregon Ducks. He was our starter and more the kid that just looked incredible against Penn State and is having a great year was his backup. Couldn't beat him out like that happened, right? So I think Gabriel again I don't like him as a prospect, doesn't have the greatest arm to short but in terms of like his resume it is pretty freaking impressive. Like won a lot of big games played against the big boys and beat them at Oklahoma and at Oregon. So I think he now the NFL is a different ball game. I don't really like either one of these guys as prospects. I think it's going to be a tough year for them all. I think the Browns offense is going to be just atrocious. I think they're both screwed. I'd be stunned if either of them looks good to be honest with you. The pout, the Cowboys Packer game ending sucked. We need overtime rules. How can the NFL look at tie games as an enjoyable experience? Because the tie doesn't happen to the last possible second. So throughout the game it's, you know, especially toward the end, the fourth quarter overtime, it's kind of a riveting experience because you're just thinking, who's going to win. So when the tie happens, as it did in this last game, when love bounces the ball off the linebackers back, you don't think the tie is going to happen. So listen, do I agree that the ending of a tie is, as they would say, like kissing your sister? I've never had a sister, and I would imagine you don't want to kiss her. But I don't know what the analogy for those of us without sisters are. It obviously sucks. It's not a fun experience, but it only happens at the end and then everyone complains about it throughout the game. You're kind of like, who's going to win this thing? Today's show is brought to you by our new presenting sponsor, Hard Rock Bet. The Hard Rock Bet Sportsbook app has new promos every day. We talk a lot of football in three and out, but there's always something to bet. Postseason baseball is heating up and you can place your first bet on winners, pitchers, home run hitters and so much more. Open up the app and see what new promo you get. 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Matt Jones
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week that is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. They sold that?
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Ty
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Might want to go back to the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
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John Middlecoff
It's worked for generations.
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Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry. I wouldn't fight him. I would listen to NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlecoff
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Ty
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Dan
Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.
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John Middlecoff
Uh huh.
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Ty
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John Middlecoff
With the Bears, Titans, Commanders building or about to build new domed stadiums. How do you feel about the trend of almost every new stadium construction being a dome? Do you think football will miss the bad weather games and do you think it will be a major disadvantage? Excuse me, a major advantage for the remaining teams that still play in the elements? Well, the latter part of your question 1000% assuming that who are those teams be the Bears and Commanders are consistently good, you start playing in a dome as those teams. Well, when you have to go on the road to Philly to who are the who are the other teams in the nfc? If the Giants ever got good, who would have bad weather in the NFC? The Vikings are indoors, the Lions are indoors. 49ers Rams don't have bad weather. I guess Seattle can reign. You know, the AFC has much More teams in the inclement situation. The Titans. I know it gets cold even though when. I mean I got married in Nashville. Where? The stadium. I mean, I got married right across the bridge. It's not exactly Kansas City or Right. Or Baltimore or Pittsburgh, but I do agree. I don't love that now, like I get if you're Tennessee or you're Chicago or you're Washington, you want to host Super Bowls and Tennessee specifically, it is really cold and could be snowing. Well, if it's a dome like Broadway, you're hosting Super Bowl. Same thing with Chicago. I mean Chicago I can imagine in late January, early February, like doesn't get any colder anywhere in America. So who hosted a Super Bowl? I remember my buddies when they worked for the Eagles, they. The super bowl was hosted in Minnesota. So I think that's a huge element of it. I don't love it. I love the elements in football. To me, there's nothing like watching, I don't know, a game in Kansas City, a game in Buffalo. It's just a huge part of what we love about football. I mean part of the legend is like, damn, they just went on the road. Sorry, I'm trying to turn off this TV behind me and won a road game in the freezing cold. And it does feel like there's an element of that that's about to end, which sucks. Do you think the NFL could eventually make 60 plus yard field goals worth four points? Love that. If they did that tomorrow, I don't think anyone would complain. If you hit a 61 yard field goal, does anyone say, yeah, you shouldn't get four points? I have no problem with that. I also think that adds to. Then you know, Brandon. Audrey. I'm not sure when his contract is coming up. Brandon Aubrey. Audrey. Am I screwing up his name? Think of his. Yeah, it's Audrey. No, it's Aubrey. Brandon Aubrey. He's 30 years old. He I'm sure is about to come up for a contract. I heard someone talking about it that his contract negotiation next year. Well, if a 60 yarder is worth four, worth four points. I mean if he's a four or $5 million player, is he a six, $7 million player? I mean he's got to make a lot of money. Especially now they got it with Micah bouncing. Curious what your thoughts were on the sophomore slumps. My theory is anytime a quarterback has a breakout year, rookie or not, the league pays more attention and respects their game. For example, after hurts first year going to the super bowl, team started to respect his Deep ball, way more. Leading to a slump in production. I think that's just the way society works in any one of our industries. The moment you gain momentum, your competition pays more attention to you and tries to do things to counteract that. I just think that's business 101. When you're a nobody and you're a guy, kind of sleep, you know, kind of people are sleeping on flying under the radar. It's like, who's this guy? No need to worry. And then all of a sudden they start stealing your business or in football, they start beating you. You're like, what the fuck? No, this is not going to happen, right? Most people did not. And I was guilty of this. Think Jalen hurts. I would never have drafted Jalen Hurts ever. Not in any round to play quarterback for me. And I'm not alone. Like, I watch Oklahoma football. I didn't think he was a very good player relative to being an NFL prospect. And so most people don't take him seriously. And then all of a sudden he starts beating you. You're like, what do we got to do? Look at this year. People already respected him. But once you win the super bowl and you kick everyone's ass, people are throwing the kitchen. Think how much more like that extra hour. It's like, should I go home? It's nine o'. Clock. If I'm a defensive coach, no, I want to beat the Eagles. Because if I beat the Eagles, if I beat Tom Brady, if I beat Peyton Manning, you know, if I beat Steph Curry, like, it's a big deal for me. Like, we get a lot of credit. So you beat Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers, right? Who cares? I three and out takes a advertiser away from. Pardon my take. They're like, hey, we got X number of dollars. We're going to give it to him instead of you guys. It's a big fucking win for me. People start paying attention. Question for the pod. Hearing all the trash talk Rory and the rest of the Euros received, Is there a restriction on noise canceling headphones for golfers? I feel like the Bows or Beats would make killing with that marketing perhaps a bit stupid, but it would undoubtedly be hilarious to see Rory pop in some earbuds, drain a putt, and then smile at the crowd. Shit, yeah. Do you work for one of these brands? Always be closing. I think part of it is, here's the thing. In football, in basketball, in baseball, especially in the playoffs, when you go on the road, you hear bad things. Like, you hear outrageous things. Is it Appropriate? Who's to say? Probably not. Would I personally, do I personally, since I've been, like, high school or maybe college, could even see myself saying anything that even begins to, quote, unquote, cross the line? No, I wouldn't. But at the Ryder cup, you know, you have a few pops, people start getting really aggressive. You get the dude who's, you know, making half a mil at some hedge fund who's had about seven vodkas, just start saying shit that he would never say anywhere else. And it's just part of the environment. I mean, it's part of. Now, I do think there's a line like, you shouldn't say that, but you can say that at a lot of events, like, you shouldn't say that. Stuff gets said and part of being the competitor, which I respect, honestly. They got better the more shit people talk to them. And there can't be any better feeling in sports, whether it's the Ryder cup, whether it's in football. Like, think how can you imagine some of the stuff Georgia fans were yelling at Alabama players or Penn State fans that had been drinking all day or saying to some of the Oregon players, do you know how sweet it must have felt when that game hits double? When the clock hits double zero and you win the game? I have no problem with going double middle fingers as I'm walking off. Like, this is all part of sports. Like, this is. This is not a normal business. So I think if you're a player, like, I'd want to hear it. Now, if my wife's around, you're throwing drinks on her. Yeah, we got major problems. But, like, say anything you want to me. And when I win, I'm going to say anything I want to you. And anyone worth their salt should want that and respect that. Like, I got. I saw some people was like, how does Rory say. They're saying mean stuff to him, and then he's screaming F you to them. So, yeah, this is. This is real life. People swear, people scream at each other. People say dumb shit. I was completely like, I'm less bothered by any of that than some people. Can you speak on the Writer cup this week? I love the pod. You're the most relatable voice. I. I'll say this. I had been to New York one time and Hoboken one time, so my experience in that area was very small. And because. And I'd said this before, I think I said this on the golf podcast because living in Philly, I just naturally hated New York City. You know, I was just around all those people. So they like. We just hated New York City. And I went back to Manhattan. I was blown away. I thought, like, this is incredible. I had a good buddy, a guy that my college roommate who was also there. We didn't realize each other were there. You know, when you, when you like live in different cities. He lives in Texas, I live in Scottsdale. We had no clue each other was going to be there, right? He was there with a client doing some stuff and he saw I posted something and he was getting blasted and having a good time. And we talked to each other that night because he had to. I had to fly out really early the next day and he was like, I, I don't think I would survive in this city. I'm like, it's like Vegas meets a big city. I mean, never sleeps. You just like, I don't even think there are just no, like three in the morning is not that much different than seven at night. Lights are on, people everywhere. It's just vibrant. And you know, you talk about a place like you get online, it's like that place has bounced back from whatever the hell happened five years ago. I'll promise you that. I, you just look around, the commerce that's moving. I mean, I get New York City now. I'm not a city guy. I like the suburbs. I like my space. I lived in San Francisco for a year. I hated it. And that's when San Francisco was booming and clean. It's the space not being able to park, not being able to drive. It's not my thing. But I was like, I gotta go. Because my wife loves New York City and she like really wanted me to take her. I'm like, this is a business trip. It's not, it's not for that. Even though I, you know, closed down the bars like multiple times, went to bed at like 4am back to back nights. But again, she can't drink, she's pregnant. So it just wasn't really the place. We were trying to lock up deals and it was just, it was incredible. I, I'm, I'm a New York City guy. I, I, I get it. I say the same thing about la. I grew up in Northern California. It's like Northern California, Northern California. And then you get older, you like go to Newport beach, you go play, you get invited to play like a country club down in Beverly Hills. You're like, listen, I, I don't want to live here and I have no desire and I would not live here. But I do get it. Like, I understand it like, I. I mean, this is Southern California. Everyone's like, the weather's so great in California. Yeah, in Southern California, San Francisco, the weather, it's fucking freezing up there. The weather is not great in Northern California relative to Southern California. The weather in Northern California is way better than most of America. But relatives, Southern California, we got family, friends that live in San Diego. That blows, like, the Bay Area out of the water, you know? So it's like, as you get older, you get a little more. You just get some more life experience, you realize, you know, I just hated this because I thought I was supposed to, but I kind of like it. Like, it's hard to go to Newport beach and not go, damn, this place is sick. And I'd say the same thing about New York City. Blown away. It also helps, you know, the last time I was there, I had no money. So it's like everything the one knock is. It is outrageously priced like it is. I don't know how anyone affords to do anything. I couldn't have lived there in, like, in my twenties. Haven't seen anyone have their take, have this take. But considering Baker's success with his numbers and his clutchness. Do you think the Rams regret letting Baker Mayfield go? It's a good question. I think of all the hindsights, like, it's like. Well, it's easy to say now about Sam Darnold. Well, the Minnesota Vikings, it's not. He threw 35 touchdowns for him. You know, he wasn't very good on the Carolina Panthers. Right. Baker Mayfield wasn't very good on the Carolina Panthers. Matt Stafford was coming back. So I don't think you can play. Hindsight's 2020 on that. The other thing is, the Rams have made the playoffs the last two years with Matt Stafford. Stafford's been good. I mean, Stafford almost beat the Eagles last year in the playoffs.
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Matt Jones
So.
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John Middlecoff
Yeah, I don't think they do. I actually give them more respect that they even signed him. Huge fan. Since the Ravens lost on Monday to the Lions, there's a lot of chatter about how Lamar needs to throw the ball away, and a lot of people are suggesting. Suggesting he's looking to boost his stats. It doesn't make sense to me. Lamar is a playmaker. He does this thing in the pocket looking for his receivers, and if it's not there, he's taken off running. Why would he throw the ball away when he can make almost every throw? If not, he can beat 90% of the players in the league with his legs. Ravens never got the run game going, Lamar couldn't sit in the pocket. If you remember last year, our defense was bad. We even lost to the goddamn Gardner Minshew Raiders. What are your thoughts on the Ravens trajectory this year? I think they're screwed. You just, you can't lose that many defensive players and overcome it and you lose Metabuque for the year. Humphrey and Roquan now are out several games. I don't know the latest. I'm recording this on Tuesday on Kyle Vanoy. You just can't lose that many impact defensive players, even with the culture and as well as you guys have drafted historically and sustain it and you're one in three, you're giving up a historic amount of points. I also think your team is used to playing good defense because your team typically. What do you lead the league in rushing or top five team in rushing for probably the last five or six years? Well, it's hard to run the ball and stick with running the ball separate from Lamar running around. When you're losing, you're down like 20 to 7, right? You're down 10 points and you just, it kind of forces you to pass. So pardon I was saying this to someone the other day. Is that like the good teams in the league, the Lions, the Ravens over the last several years, trying to think who else Eagles. Not don't really fall under this category. You know, they can blow people out. Well, the Lions, they got so many playmakers, they're just kind of spreading it around. The Ravens, I feel like when they're blowing people out, a lot of it is like Lamar and Derrick Henry going nuts in the second half. It's like we're just going to lean on you, run on your ass. And obviously Lamar has proven to be a high end thrower as well. But like they just run the ball down your throat. Well, that part. And all of a sudden you look up and the Ravens have won 42 to 13. You're not running the ball when you're down 12 points or 15 points. Well, that's what's going to happen with your defense. It sucks. So as Bill Simmons would say, it might be a year from hell. It might be. It was the Niners last year, it could be you guys this year. I was listening to your recent pod and you included Troy Aikman on your list of no doubt about it, hall of Famers, but he was objectively very bad in terms of stats. When did the hall of Fame or the NFL in general turn into a quarterback's win award? Love to hear your Thoughts? I'll be honest. I mean, I. I was pretty young when Troy was at his peak, and to me, just watching Troy, I felt like he was really good. Now, if I had watched Troy in his peak as me right now, maybe I would view him differently. So there maybe is a little, like, nostalgic element of the way that I view him, but I hear you. I mean, statistically, he doesn't compare to some people. I do think people that played him, and I've been around people that played him, think very highly of him. I think he was a really, really good player. Now, relative, like, was Steve Young a better individual player than Troy Aikman? Yes. Was Brett Favre an individual player than Troy Aikman? Yes. Was Jim Kelly. Now, obviously, he won more than these guys, but I do think he's viewed as a really, really good player. They had a running offense as well. What are some quarterbacks that, if they had been drafted into a better situation, would have worked? I asked this as I see what happened with Baker, and I'm worried about Dart. I think there are a lot of players. You look at Jim Harbaugh. Jim Harbaugh got Alex Smith five or six years into his career. And there was a point, I think the year before Jim got there, the entire stadium in San Francisco chanted, Derek, not Derek, David Carr's name, because they thought Alex Smith sucked that bad. And David Carr was the backup. And then he got there, and Alex led him to the. Didn't lead them, but was their starting quarterback for a team to win the NFC Championship and became a playoff quarterback for the next seven, eight years. Right. With Andy Reid. So I think there are a lot of guys that kind of fought Daniel Jones. A good example. What if Daniel Jones had been drafted by, I don't know, like, Patrick Mahomes didn't exist and Andy Reid got him. Guess what? He'd be good. You know, And I think you go to places that are chaotic, that don't know what they're doing, that have a lot of staff turnover because part of it. And the one thing that we never discussed in that Brian Dabal, Joe Shane, hard knocks, is we spent so much time on the free agency. Saquon Barkley, remember when they hired the defensive coordinator and Brian Dabel didn't even know him. He's like, Oz, look at his stats. And then they started doing, like, draft prep, and they just asked, like, what players do you. Like, who do you want us to draft? You just hire this guy. Like, does your organization have philosophies does your head coach have philosophies or are you just gonna do what an assistant that you don't even know before you hired him three months ago? What is going. That's. That's chaos. That's not a successful organization like the Eagles. When they hire coaches, don't just start doing exactly what they want them to do. Why? Because that wouldn't be good business. The Ravens have drafted who Ozzy and Dacosta have wanted for 25 years. Obviously, hardball plays a role, but, yeah, I mean, I think it's hard to overcome chaos. And I would say this about the Giants. Your star receiver tears his acl. Your owner is now. I mean, I'd have to. I didn't re. Read the entire statement, but did he say he was going into chemotherapy? So he's going to be obviously a little MIA battling cancer. You have a coach and a GM that were presumed to be on the hot seat. Like, that's just a chaotic situation. You know, Tennessee is a good example. It's like, is Brian Callahan going to make it through the season? So you just. You kept Brian Callahan to know your team might not be that good to then fire him and then start anew. Like, that's just not a healthy organization. It's just not. So, I mean, I would say these two rookies this year, you know, I know Shador didn't want to go to the Ravens. Well, Godspeed with the Browns. Tell me how that goes. Promise you. Probably not. Well.
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Matt Jones
Hey, this is Matt Jones and I'm Drew Franklin, and this is NFL Cover Zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining and twice a week. That is exactly what you're going to get. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different. Did you see the Colts pretzel? That was my other big takeaway from that game. What was that? Looks like something that should not be sold. Oh, my. So that was my other big Colts takeaway. Sold that.
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Ty
Yes.
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Matt Jones
Might want to go back at the Colts stadium. Yeah, I might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well.
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John Middlecoff
It's worked for generations.
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Matt Jones
We're just here trying to enjoy it. We hope you all will join us throughout the year. And let's go. I hope I'm as youthful as Pete Carroll is at his age. He's a young 73. He is a young 73. He is spry, I would say. I wouldn't fight him. I would listen. NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
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Dan
I'm Dan, he's Ty.
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John Middlecoff
Hello.
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Dan
And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast.
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Ty
College football season is here and you know what that means.
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Dan
Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.
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John Middlecoff
Uh huh.
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Ty
But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback.
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Dan
Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport.
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Ty
Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.
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Dan
We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.
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Ty
Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Nicole Garcia
It may look different, but native culture is very alive. My name is Nicole Garcia and on Burn Sage, Burn Bridges we aim to explore that culture.
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Lauren LaRosa
It was a huge honor to be coming a television writer because it does feel oddly like very traditional. It feels like Bob Dylan going electric that this is something we've been doing for like hundreds of years, you carry with you a sense of purpose and confidence.
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Nicole Garcia
That's Sierra Teller Ornelas, who with Rutherford Falls became the first Native showrunner in television history. On the podcast Burn Sage Burn Bridges, we explore her story along with other Native stories such as the creation of of the first Native Comic Con or the importance of Reservation basketball. Every day, Native people are striving to keep traditions alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn bridges on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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John Middlecoff
I'm a Bears fan and I was curious what your thought was about Collins take the Bears trade DJ Moore. With Rome breaking out and all their other weapons, do you think it's possible they would ship him to a contender like the Bills or Chiefs at some point? Also, what do you think the return would be for a player of DJs caliber? Thanks. And would also like to see her swing the clubs again soon on Go Low. I think it would be cool. That's my game plan is to start playing a little golf on camera a little more. It's just sometimes hard during football season, but I just have to make time. I got a just a, not just a goal of mine that I got to emphasize. I just pulled up DJ Moore's sheet. DJ Moore has not missed a game since 2020. There was the vid season and there's a chance in those games maybe he got the vid and they didn't even let him around 20, 21, 17 to 17. Carol those last two years in Carolina didn't miss a game. In his last two years with the Bears did not miss a game. He only has three catches this year. I mean he had 98 last year and 96 the year before. You know he makes a lot of money. I think you get like a third round pick for him that if you make it to the conference championship game or he gets so many catches bumps up to a two. But I definitely think for sure you would get a third round pick. I think when you factor in the money it gets a little complicated because I think his contract, the Bears actually, I mean they win this week, they'd be three and two. So dj I mean his contract is it's not small so he's got big cap hits the next three years. If you cut him the next two years you're not, you wouldn't cut him. But he makes 20 million. 24. 24. So it's not like now he's A productive player, but he's expensive. So it's in the NFL, it's a little more complicated. Could you be like, oh, get a second for DJ Moore? Well, when you factor in the money, factor in his age. Question for the bag. NFL expansion talks have to be over, right? Hard to imagine two teams finding a viable offensive line and quarterback with the way the season is already looking. Totally agree. One, I just don't know any cities in America that would make sense, so you'd have to go to Europe. And two, the offensive line situation in the NFL is an embarrassment and it's no one's fault. Beside, no one practices anymore because you the body sizes. These guys all look the same size, but they're not as developed because no one works in training camp and during the season in Pats, it just doesn't happen and it's not going to happen. And obviously the quarterback play, I mean, we struggle. Think about this. People think Tua. If you just ask a casual NFL fan about Tua, they'd all be like, he sucks. Two is better than half the league. Say what you want about Tua, like, he's better than half the league. So if TUA is kind of the line where the league splits, you cannot add two teams. But that's where money comes in. Sure you could if you wanted to, which I wouldn't. But who knows with these guys? And they go, well, we'll go to London and we'll go to, you know, Ireland or wherever the big cities are they want to go. Then all of a sudden they get what, $15 million? Two expansion fees at like seven and a half. What do you think it would mean for the Bears to beat the Commanders? Coming out of the buy? Personally, I'm feeling pretty good about being 2 and 2. If not for that blown fourth quarter, we could easily be 3 and 1. I think the bi week is hitting at the perfect time. We finally got gutted out. An ugly win, which gives us a chance to reset, regroup, and hopefully get a handful of key guys back. And in motivation from what a season ending loss to Washington last year. I have a feeling that this team is going to come out swinging. Let's, let's pull up the Bears. You guys have a buy. They're already buys. Kind of sneaks up on Yankees lost. NFL a bad loss. They were up late in the game. The Bears. Where are my Chicago Bears? Okay, so you got to buy this week. God, it's an early buy. And then you go at Commanders, which is Sunday night football. Then you got The Saints, then you got the Ravens, then you got the Bengals, then you got the Giants. Before the ending stretch, that gets a little tough. You beat the Commanders, you could be in pretty good shape now by then, you think Jaden Daniels is back. It's weird, right? If you're Ben Johnson, you're going to use that as motivation. Last year, but you weren't there. And a lot of your new players weren't there. Some of your new offensive linemen, your coaching staff. But like a lot of those guys were a part of it. I don't know. You can't win that game. I'm a lifelong Vikings fan, so I get it. They aren't a team that moves the needle. However, when you speak about the team, at least add some facts for proper context. On Monday, you mentioned a list of injuries, but none of the Vikings players. Cool. I let it slide, you know. Then on your Tuesday 9:30 show doing the mailbag, the doofus says the Vikings have the worst offensive line in the league. Here's where I thought you would add some facts. The five starters have not played a single down together, all due to injuries. It's so frustrating listening to these takes. Guy, you don't need to be so offended. You know, you just don't. Right. You just got your ass kicked by the Steelers. You have injuries. Every fucking team has injuries. Like I said, all week, you look up, every team's hurt. No one's healthy. Not a soul is healthy. People are suspended. People are injured. Tyreek Hill's leg fell off. Everyone's injured. Everyone's injured. It's like you're starting Carson Wentz. Why? Because you're starting quarterbacks injured who might suck. So yeah, I mean, I, I can't list context. I'm not, I'm not a journalist. This isn't like a fact fact checking podcast. Sometimes it's talk. I don't go over the injury report for every team. You got injuries. Your starting left tackle was out to begin the season. Now your right tackle is missing. Yeah, welcome to the NFL. You're starting Carson Wentz. Like I would say, that is as big as your. Your offensive line is, you know, in theory is pretty good when healthy, but what if they're never healthy? So you're playing with an unhealthy offensive line. I'm watching the packers against the Cowboys. How many guys are they missing on a play to play basis? It's football. I mean, backup start, Lane Johnson, all of a sudden out of the game, the backup comes in, he sucks. His backup comes in, like, that's just what happens. Like, we're not going to be like, oh, just a bunch of backups. Like, That's Roger Goodell's NFL 2025. I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but I don't know what we're supposed to say. We can't break it down. Like, you know. Yeah, I don't know how else to preface it by why are we still talking about the Ravens and the Chiefs? Lamar can't win a big game and their team is decimated by injuries. The Chiefs can't stay out of jail and they're getting old fast. The AFC is done. Call it. Bills, come on down. Time for Josh Allen to be the next chopping block to the undeniable, unstoppable. Best big game quarterback to ever play the game. Jalen hurts. Hashtag go birds. We're going 20. You know, I thought it was going to be a Bills fan. That was a good tweet. I don't trust their defense, honestly, to just, you know, like, obviously Josh and their offense can get you the super bowl, but I don't know, something about the Bills, it's like, are they going to get big stops and big games for back to back games to make it the Super Bowl? I think it'd be pretty cool. I don't think you guys are going to go 20, you know, if you can't complete passes in the second half. But you're going to win a lot of games. We'll see. What if AJ Brown tanks your season by keep tweeting and saying shit. What if AJ Brown eventually in a press conference goes, you remember Brandon Graham last year? What he said was real. I was just told by Howie and Jeffrey Lurie to lie, so I lied. Doesn't seem like he's happy. We just got to acknowledge that, which I appreciate. You know what? Sometimes, like, everyone's like, be a team guy. Yeah, what if I'm not a team guy? What if I'm selfish? What if I'm narcissistic? What if I only give a shit about my catches? Do you want me to fake it? Aren't we talk about society, like being authentic? Be who you really are. I want the ball. Throw me the fucking football. That's what he. That's essentially what he wants to say. We all know it. I mean, let's, let's call a spade a spade. He hates not getting the ball. Clearly not a popular opinion, but I absolutely love the two Monday Night Football games. I had a couple people reach out and Say, I'm a big daily fantasy guy and I really like the games. And I had a couple other people say, like, I play a lot of prop bets and I really like the extra action. And I went, you know what? I'm not as huge a fantasy guy, and even prop bets doesn't hold my attention, but I get it. And I might like, the doubleheader is not for me, but it's not made for me. The double header is about A huge reason the NFL has exploded is because of fantasy football in gambling. So if I give you two games instead of one, you got more action going on, so more people are paying attention. I listened to a gambling show. It's not a gambling show, but about. It's called, like, the Underbelly. The something underbelly on YouTube. And they interviewed the guy, he kind of made the media rounds who was the bookie for Shohei Ohtani's translator. And this guy ran like this, I mean, huge gambling ring based out of Newport Beach. And he talked about his story, and part of his story was he thought now again, he was balls deep as a bookie, that if gambling just ceased to exist, like it just. You were not allowed to gamble legally or illegally, that the ratings would dip in half. I was like, I don't know if that's true, but it would definitely have a major impact. And there is no disputing that. A lot of people that don't love football, like, you know, Nick Saban or Bill Belichick for the purity of blocking, tackling, and catching, but want to have watch their fantasy players or want to see if Jamar Chase can get over five and a half catches, see if they can make 100 bucks, right? It plays a huge role. So I want to change. I want to take back my take. I personally don't like it. That's not going to change. But if it means more people care, which means more people care about this, which is how I'm going to feed my unborn child, then, shit, I better embrace it. You know, I'm not going to be one of those people. I've said forever. When I first got into this world, so many media people are just so bitter and so angry and live in their own little bubble about how. How much they hate their life. And it's like, do you even like watching sports? And the answer to a lot of them is no. And I've always said, like, I like watching the games. And then I'm complaining about two games now. You could argue Dolphins, jets is a rough watch, but I. I actually feel like I, I don't hate watching Tua when he's playing decent. I thought he played pretty good last night. Okay, last question. I was listening to you before the gym and you were talking about the Bengals spending on wide receivers and how they just had the draft to acquire talent. How they just had the draft. I got. It got me thinking that Micah was a luxury for the Cowboys and a necessity for Green Bay. Even with Micah and that big contract, the Cowboys weren't going to get any better. What do you think? Love the show 1000%. I think I saw a quote today. Where was I? That I saw it. It flashed across something. The Jerry Jones. It must have been the interview that he does with the fan in Dallas. 153. I think the radio station is that said that Dak Prescott was a necessity. Micah Parsons was not. And what he's saying is like the quarterback, Dak Prescott is way more important to our team than Micah Parsons. I mean, that's 100% true. And Micah Parsons is a better player than Dak Prescott. We all agree, right? Whether. I'm not even talking about, like, just independently. Micah. If, if on Madden ratings, Micah Parsons is like a 94. Dak Prescott's like an 82. Yet Dak Prescott is more important to any football team than Micah Parsons, right? If Dak Prescott your quarterback. I said this like, I, I completely respect Gudekens and why he did the trade. Sometimes in life you got to put your nuts on the table in whatever you do, especially once you get like, it's easy to just be conservative once you get to the top and the packers just make the playoffs, it's going well and then you get an opportunity to take a big swing and it would have been easy for him to be like, oh, we'll just use these picks and we'll just use his cap space. He's like, fuck it. So I respect it. But that was a game against the Cowboys where it's like, hey, Micah, I remember I had a front row seat when Khalil Mack won the defensive player of the year. There was one game against Denver Broncos where I think he had five sacks. There was a game against the Panthers where he had like a strip sack and a pick six. I mean, it was just. He would just take over games and it's like, that's a game like, can you just do some miraculous stuff and just win us the game? Because our defense is terrible and you just take over and he just kind of couldn't do it. But he's going to get his 14 sacks. He's going to be a productive player. He's a really good player. But if you're Green Bay and I'm paying you $188 million, $188 million for four years. I guaranteed you like 130 or whatever. I need you to be great. And I watched in that game and I was like, I don't see great. And the Cowboys, if they would have gave him that contract, I don't think they would look that much different at all. They would get the, you know, however many sacks he would get for them throughout the course of the season. So occasionally on third down they get off the field because he'd get a sack, but their defense would get shredded every single week because you would just double team him. So yeah, I hear you and I'm, you know, I think Gudikens does not regret it now. Honestly, I think four games in, I think Jerry not only doesn't regret it, like I'm, I'm glad we did it.
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