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John Middelkoff
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Stucky
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Lavar Arrington
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Doug Gottlieb
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Lavar Arrington
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Stucky
And it's only on Prime Video.
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John Middelkoff
This Thursday, the Seattle Seahawks traveled to.
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Stucky
The Windy City to face the Chicago Bears.
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John Middelkoff
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Doug Gottlieb
The volume.
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John Middelkoff
What is going on, everybody?
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Stucky
How are we doing?
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John Middelkoff
John Middelkoff three and Out Podcast Merry Christmas to all my parents out there.
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Stucky
I don't mean my actual parents, but people that are listening with children, especially young kids. This is a.
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John Middelkoff
It's a great time. Get to open some presents under the tree and put a smile on their face and celebrate for a couple days, have a few cocktails, watch the little ball. Today will be a little little preview teaser with my guy Stuckey. Looking forward to the couple games coming up on Wednesday, which are just mixing and matching the games that we saw from Saturday.
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Stucky
Maybe hit on a couple other games.
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John Middelkoff
Get you in and out of here on Christmas Eve.
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Stucky
So hopefully everyone's having a good holiday, enjoying their families and just kind of chilling, relaxing, hanging out.
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John Middelkoff
Especially for those of you that live in frigid cold temperatures. It's about 75 degrees where I'm at.
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Stucky
But I'm headed to a much colder place. Not too cold, but in the 50s it's cold for me. So yeah, you guys know the drill.
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John Middelkoff
Subscribe to the podcast. If you listen on Collins feed, everything's up on YouTube as well.
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Stucky
So go check that out.
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John Middelkoff
And yeah, before we dive into some football, listen, you want to get some tickets?
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Stucky
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John Middelkoff
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Stucky
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John Middelkoff
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Stucky
Okay, a little Christmas special with my good buddy, my gambling partner, and someone who probably respects Indiana as little as I do at this point in time.
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John Middelkoff
And I'm sure can't wait to hammer the under in 2025 because I already.
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Stucky
Looked at their schedule at Penn State, at Oregon, at Iowa, and every other Big Ten. Can't wait to beat the shit out of them. So thank you Indiana for ruining our weekend. You too, SMU. But obviously the Rams and the 49ers ruined mine Stuckey's weekend because we bet against the Rams and on the 49ers.
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John Middelkoff
And Rams covered and the 49ers surely did not.
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Stucky
So Stucky, quick turnaround here.
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John Middelkoff
Not used to talking to you on.
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Stucky
Early in the week, but how you doing, brother?
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Doug Gottlieb
Good and yeah, Sunday was rough. I had the Raiders is a favorite. Was my only winner. Imagine that.
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Stucky
You're a sicko on that one. I appreciate it.
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Doug Gottlieb
The the Rams came out flat as he thought and the jets just countless mistakes. Usually you get the home dog catching three and a half to cover in that spot. This year for whatever reason the NFL those spots just haven't been hitting. But yeah we got. We have football Wednesday, Thursday, we have Bulls all week. NFL Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. So yeah it's happy holidays to everybody. Enjoy Merry Christmas, enjoy the football and your couch time. And yeah Indiana I thought like their, their run defense held up well. They gave up that 98 yard. Other than that, Notre Dame averaged like two and a half yards per carry but nothing else was up to par. The most disappointing part was just how cowardly they called the game which was kind of a theme throughout. It's a winner go home. Like what I thought Tennessee too punting down 17 like but Indiana punting down three possessions. What were you doing? Fair catching. Every kick draws on third and long. It was just a cowardly gameplay from a coach who just talks all that shit and then coached with this tail between his legs for the entire game. He has a college football weekend dominated by the favorites and the home teams. And then as we thought Oregon, I mean winning that Big ten championship. Hopefully they can win the national title because that's might be the only banner they have. The teams Georgia, excuse me, Texas and Penn State lost on conference championship. We get our double digit favorites. Georgia's small favorite and the biggest underdog of the top seeds is Oregon against Ohio State. Two and a half point underdog. That's their reward. Broken bracket, how they structured it. But that's their reward for going undefeated. The only undefeated team and winning the Big ten championship. They're two and a half point underdog against Ohio State. Pretty amazing.
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Stucky
You know what, before we dive into to Wednesday, I would have told you a month ago that like the NFL, I'm glad you're playing on Christmas, but you're kind of ruining my college football playoff weekend. Thank God we had those two NFL games especially I'm a sucker and I know you're a Ravens guy. That, that, that game just feels so awesome on TV every time they play. I don't care.
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John Middelkoff
Dilfer could be their quarterback. Flacco could be their quarterback. Lamar could be their quarterback.
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Stucky
Roethlisberger, Kenny, I don't care. That game, that was thing is made for television. That was I thoroughly enjoy. Honestly I like the Chiefs Games, too. Beside the Tank Dell injury, that sucked. But that game was a wild ride. A wild ride.
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John Middelkoff
And props to Lamar. I thought one big takeaway I had.
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Stucky
I thought it was one of the better games he's ever played. Given the pressure on that moment, they took away his running ability and he was just calm, cool, and collected. He just looked like I thought he was going to look last year in the playoffs. So props to him for kind of getting that game out of the way. And now it feels like the Steelers are in fucking shambles.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I will say part of that had to do with injuries for the Steelers. I mean, their offense isn't the same without George Pickens. But this. The defense was ravaged by injuries. I mean, they were already missing two starters in the secondary, and then Joey Porter Jr. Got hurt. They're also missing a start on the defensive line. Joey Porter Jr. Got hurt, and the Ravens picked on Trice. So their corner situation without Porter, they can't really run some of the stuff that they want to run. So their. Their secondary was just in shambles and the Ravens took full advantage. That's a huge storyline for this Steelers Chiefs game. Who. I mean, there's injuries on both sides. The tackle situation for the Chiefs influx. Chris Jones might miss the game. He's massive. I mean, his presence is. And obviously his impact is hard to overstate. And then the Steelers, like, is Pickens going to play? I don't think Porter's going to play. Do they get any of their other secondary guys back? That's just. There's a lot of injuries watching. And it's interesting because the Chiefs are still going for A one seed. The Steelers still playing for the division. They have the tiebreaker of the Ravens, but it's a short week. And then, you know, if you err on the side of caution because the playoffs, both teams can be in the playoffs, then you get extended rest before week 18. So I'm really, really curious to see how these teams handle the injury situation headed into this game. And Texans have a bunch of injuries, too.
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Stucky
Well, I do think my initial reaction, obviously it's hard to tell because this, this game comes at you so fast. And they mentioned this on the broadcast on Saturday, just how good Chris has played this year and what's that meant for the guys around him. So you're right. That is massive. I do think, though, you know, I know they would get a longer rest to play Denver, but that was a pretty scary game the last time they played the Broncos. And then having to go to Denver, that You know, Andy and these guys want to end it right now. Yeah, right. Because I think for a split second.
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Doug Gottlieb
You get all of the rest.
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Stucky
Yeah, for sure. That's what that, that's why I think they are a kitchen sink game. Because even if they were to lose it, they still got a little more time. I have a hard time seeing the Steelers, man. They are.
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John Middelkoff
Like you said, they're secondary.
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Stucky
The last two weeks with injuries and just miscommunications. I mean, they have been getting a vis. They got no shot. And the one thing the chief showed.
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John Middelkoff
A little bit more life. Xavier worthy.
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Stucky
I mean, now the more and more reps he's getting with Mahomes, still, that deep ball is a little off. That Tyreek thing, it felt like he never missed when he, when he began to start. But you know, Andy so good at getting them on, like running little out routes, getting to pick plays, like he's going to find a way to use them. Even if they got to wait till next year to hit the bombs. I just feel like the Chiefs now are kind of in like Michael Jordan, Tiger woods, like, I'm licking my. I'm going to end this fucking thing right now.
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John Middelkoff
Because for a split second on Sunday.
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Stucky
It was like, are the Bills really going to do this? And you're like, no, they're playing Gerard Mayo and the Patriots. They'll be okay. So I think you have to assume that the Bills are winning the next two games. And I would imagine Andy's thinking that and just to leave it to chance on the last game of the season, you know, he would love to just basically give his guys two and a half weeks off. Especially because of all the teams like in NFL history, no group of core guys, even you can add DeAndre Hopkins to that, right? They're fine. They could take two and a half weeks and no one's betting against them. Week one, I just think that loss for the Steelers was, you know, Russell really had two plays. I didn't think he was that bad. But those two plays cost him the game. The fumble in the first half, like, bro, you're playing the race changed the game. That was, I mean, at minimum, right, a 10 point swing, probably a 14 point swing. And it's like, you got it, Russell.
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John Middelkoff
This is like when you first started.
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Stucky
And you were playing the Harbaugh 49ers. This is that level game. I don't know what, you know, guys come out of nowhere. They will hit you as hard as humanly possible. And then that interception was just like, oh, man, Especially right after, you know.
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John Middelkoff
I did Lamar miscommunication.
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Stucky
I'm not quite sure what happened there, but regardless, it didn't hurt him at all. So I. I have a hard time. Like, I. I'm out on the Steelers and it's not all like the team that we were in on. I would say a month ago, not everyone was in on him, but the team that, you know, was really looking solid. The defense isn't nearly the same.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, I mean, I will say on the surface, this is your classic Tomlin spot. Right. Everyone says they're cooked. They lost on the road twice to two really good teams.
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Stucky
Isn't he bad on short weeks, though?
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Doug Gottlieb
And the Steelers? I don't know. I'd have to check that. I don't have.
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Stucky
I thought. I thought that was something that came up. Maybe it was a different. I thought he was a bad Thursday night guy. Maybe it was Thursday night as a favorite.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, Thursday night. I think he has been great Monday night. I know Monday nights. I know he has. But this is the game like home dog. Everyone has been like, they're cooked. But by the way, the Chiefs also got Hollywood Brown back. I. They need to be healthy. The Steelers need to be healthy on defense because they need to have guys in the secondary, number one to run what they want to run. And if they do, then that edge rush could give Mahomes problems, especially with the tackle situation in flux. Couple injuries there. Chris Jones is obviously worth monitoring. I think like, the Chiefs getting lucky in games a little overblown. Like, they're just gonna win close games. Their office isn't explosive. Like, they just know. They just kind of know that in the end, if it's close, they're gonna win. And then there's been enough. They just know how to run the clock down. There's been a number of games where they could have won by more margin. So it is a classic Tomlin spot. I can't say what I bet right now. I need. There's so much injury uncertainty on a short week, but historically, like, this is. The Steelers missed like 20 tackles last week. Like, you know, the tackling will be more buttoned up. And the chief secondary does have issues since losing Jaylen Watson. They have not been good. And the past two weeks, you know, they got Jamis throwing a bunch of picks. The Browns turned over six times. The Browns also didn't have Najoku. They lost a couple of receivers during that game. And the Texans, whose offense has been in the tank, were moving the ball at will. And then Tank Dell got hurt and all you have to do now is just double Nico Collins. There's, I mean, what do you. You just going to throw to D. Dalton Schultz 50 times? There's a huge drop off. That loss is massive. He was cooking the Chiefs all game. It's, I think six catches for 98 yards and basically a half on seven targets. And that, you know, this is a Texans offensive and they lost a couple offensive linemen during the game and Dell. So like the Chiefs have been getting lucky with injuries. Their secondary is vulnerable. But the Steelers need Pickens. Yeah, need picking. So is he going to play? I don't know. So a lot of uncertainty there. I do know you'll get the Steelers best effort at home after two straight losses on the road. Everyone's written like this is the Rah Rah Tomlin spot. But if they don't have the players and the Chiefs do and they say, hey, we're going all in, it's a tough ask, but as of right now, I have to wait and see. It's too early in the week.
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Stucky
I'm with you on if George Pickens plays because then Calvin Austin can play a little bit of that Tank Dell role, who that speed, I mean, was. I mean, he was going nuts. And that's where going into the second game, you know, your team's kind of hitting their stride. That Zach Orr, which was really, really ugly early, it feels like it's calmed down a lot, obviously. And you hammered this home and they were hammering home on the broadcast, moving Hamilton back and basically because early on in the season he was essentially playing like Camp Chancellor at the line of scrimmage and he was kicking ass, but they were getting smoked behind him. And then obviously it came into play in that game when he made a big play on center field on, you know, a ball that probably shouldn't have been thrown, but still, like he's, he's right there. And I just think that this Texans team, after that loss to Tank Dell, that felt like one of the.
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John Middelkoff
Every once in a while, you know.
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Stucky
Obviously the, the demar Hamlin injury several years ago was as jarring as anything we've ever seen. This felt like this wasn't life or death, but football in terms of an injury as, as rattling as you'll ever see a team, you had people crying. Obviously they were really rattled after the game. I just don't know if you overcome that man especially, you know, he had his leg shattered last year in the end zone. Same thing this year, which is even worse. And I just. Their offensive line's not very good. I think they're just out of steam. This is just. I bought into them before the season. It clearly has been a bumpy ride, but, man, it feels like they're out of juice and the Ravens kind of find their swag and they got me. They bought me in last year right around Christmas when they beat the shit.
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John Middelkoff
Out of the 49ers.
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Stucky
I feel like I'm getting jumping back on the bandwagon.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, the Ravens defense is playing better, too. They made some changes. You know, where they played Hamilton putting Washington in at safety. Really just playing Humphrey in the slot, who's been amazing, and it's really helped. Defensive line also getting healthier. I don't think the defense was great last week, but just the trend line of the defense, it was so bad. The past defense early in the season, especially over the middle of the field, they've addressed some of those issues and they're much healthier. Although you gotta watch Zay Flowers, Tyler Lindebaum on the injury report. It's tough on a short week. You had to monitor. Monitor the injury report. The Texans, yeah, it's. They have offensive. More offensive line injuries. That was the game where it was okay, let's see if we can get the offense going, get confidence in Kansas City against someone. We'll have to be most likely on the road or definitely on the road.
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Stucky
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
And they did have it going. And this is the first time we've seen life from the offense totally in months. And then Dell goes down and you already lost Diggs. Couple more guys in the offensive line go down. I don't like their offense without Dell. You saw it. It just doesn't have the same juice. Supposed to have Dell, Diggs and Collins out there and they just haven't been able to have all three healthy. And now you're not going to have Dylan Diggs for the rest of the year. That makes them so much easier to cover. It's just, hey, put your best corner on Collins, put a safety over top and then Stroud's going to be under pressure. You can't really run on the Ravens. Like that's been there and they. That's been like kind of their bailout card in some games is Joe Mixon going off. Can't really run on the Ravens. I don't mind the under in this game. I think the Ravens defense is trending up and the Texans offense is very limited now. The Texans defense also has some key injuries. The Texas defense has been elite all season. Anderson didn't practice with a hand injury. I would imagine he goes. But they already lost Petrie, who was playing like an all pro level on the slot stud. Love him against the run pass. He does so much. He got hurt. Then they had to move Jimmy Ward, your ex niner. He was playing well and filling that role nicely. But as a result they had, you know, you have two rookies in the second. He had a rookie safety and a rookie corner. They were making do, but now Ward got hurt.
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Stucky
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
So. And then the Ravens know how to pick on a weakness of a defense. So these injuries for the Texans are a lot. So yeah, I don't disagree with you and I don't mind. The Ravens unders are scary, but especially indoors. But I think their defense is trending up and this Texans offense has been lost and now you don't have Dell and I think their defense will show up here. But it's from. From an injury standpoint, if you look at it for these two teams, the Ravens are probably going to be more aggressive than the Texans because the Ravens are still playing for the division, which is important. And you know, the Steelers still have the Chiefs and the Bengals left. And the Ravens, I believe, have this game and then the Browns at home, which should be a win. So they're playing for the division. The Texans, they're playing for nothing. Like they've won their division. They're not jumping up to the 12 seed. It's let's get healthy and maybe try to figure out some things on offense, but from a motivation and standpoint, and that's what I mean by that is both teams will care. But how you treat like the injuries for this week, the Ravens might be a little aggressive. So don't mind the under and don't mind your Ravens. Take it all.
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Stucky
Ravens control their own destiny. They went out.
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Doug Gottlieb
No, because the Steelers have like a. The Steelers have the tiebreaker as of now, and so they need the Steelers to lose a game and which is much more like they need to win out and have the Steelers lose a game, which is much more likely to happen. I mean, the Steelers, like I said, Chiefs and Bengals, both of them are at home. But the. The Ravens win this game. They got the Browns who are Disaster.
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Stucky
Yeah.
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Doug Gottlieb
At home. So the Steelers do have the tiebreaker as of now, so that's that. The. The AFC north is TBD for the rest of the way.
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Stucky
So you could see the Steelers lose in the morning. I, I could see the Ravens even up in their effort coming out swinging that, that might be little, you know, hammer that bet before kickoff. If the Steelers just lost the Chiefs because feels like they could basically end it because they are going to be massive favorites against the Browns. Who I mean by that time who are the Are the Browns rolling out Miles Garrett and shit for that game? No chance probably. You know, any guy like they're not going to risk someone snapping their leg or having a serious injury. Especially more and more of these rumors about Miles Garrett potentially maybe this offseason, you know, kind of pivot could he be on the trade block? That'll be. It's a big little domino effect right there.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. Steelers would come down to common opponents. The common opponents type record. Steelers would be 9 and 3. Ravens would be 8 and 4 because they'd have the same I think conference, division and record if they finish tied. So the Ravens have to finish a game ahead.
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Stucky
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Stucky
And it's only on Prime Video.
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John Middelkoff
This Thursday, the Seattle Seahawks traveled to the Windy City to face the Chicago Bears. Join Al Michaels, Kirk Herbstreet and Kaylee Hartung for this exciting matchup. You know you feel for Bears fans just when you think everything could finally go right. It's been a very, very up and down season. But anytime you have the number one overall pick, you will get me to.
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Stucky
Watch no matter what.
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John Middelkoff
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Stucky
Okay, the the Thursday night game. I don't understand how the Bears keep getting shoved down our throat, but has.
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John Middelkoff
Any T. I don't remember a team.
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Stucky
That has good players and then does stuff in the second half like shitty teams like the Giants, like, they just get. They're down big and they just stay down big. This team is pretty fraudulent in the sense of they'll be down 24 to nothing or 20 to nothing or 17 to nothing, and then it'll just kind of ebb and flow. Touchdown. Back and forth from there, but it's never. The other team knows they cannot lose the game.
- [31:11]
John Middelkoff
And it's like, oh, look at all these Caleb touchdowns. He hasn't thrown a pick. It's like he's not even playing in.
- [31:16]
Stucky
Real football games because of the way they're down. So I don't even know what to make of him. Obviously he has a good arm and he's an intriguing prospect, but to think he's a good player based on some of these touchdowns down multiple scores in the second half against playoff teams. Give me a break.
- [31:32]
John Middelkoff
Now on the flip side, Seattle, that.
- [31:35]
Stucky
Was a pretty devastating L for them on Sunday, especially after Geno leads him right down. Like, this is like the defining drive of Geno's career. The throw he made in the back.
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John Middelkoff
Of the end zone looked like fucking farf.
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Stucky
I mean, that was like a 100.
- [31:47]
John Middelkoff
Mile an hour fastball.
- [31:49]
Stucky
Incredible catch. And then Darnold turns into Josh Allen, meets Mahomes. And that's just a big kick in the. You know what for Seattle. Now, they're not technically dead yet, but to me, I don't even. I could never bet on the Bears, but I could also see Seattle feels like maybe they're just out of juice after that. I mean, that was a kitchen sink game for him, running fake punts and. I don't know. Wouldn't shock me if they lay an egg here, but their egg, it might not matter because you're playing the Bears.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, this is a tough game. I mean, you're. Generally speaking, in the past, in the final two weeks of the regular season, these teams were playing for nothing and are out of it. Playing teams that need to win are a good bet because you're. You're usually paying a premium on the teams that need to win. Everyone knows they need to win.
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Stucky
And like Lions, Niners, like, what are the Niners playing for now? Like that. That. That felt like it's over now. Now you're getting the Lions. The lines aren't that big.
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John Middelkoff
I can see the Lions.
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Stucky
Yeah. Nobody.
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Doug Gottlieb
Historically, there's Those have been good bats. They're still professional. People still show up. Yeah, I mean the Seahawks have played the Vikings. If you look yards per play, success rate, yards per attempt, yards per rush. They just made. They lost a turnover battle. A lot of times what football games come down to. And they killed themselves with penalties. The biggest one. And they had like 10 penalties. I think the biggest one was they were up four on the Vikings and they get a sack which pretty much would have ended the game. It would have been like third and 20. But they grabbed Darnold's face mask next play, 40 yard touchdown, devastating loss. But they were really good in that game. Should have won, but they killed themselves with their own mistakes. They're like, yeah, dude, they get up off the mat here. Their defense is trending in the right direction. They made some personnel changes in the secondary. They got healthier. They made first healthier along the defensive line. They got healthier in the secondary, made some personnel changes at linebacker. McDonald has that team playing well. The one exception was the packers game. But the trend line for that defense, they played well last week. They get the turnover led to a short field on the Vikings and the Vikings have a good offense. And then you know, you get that penalty and give up 40 yard touchdown to Justin Jefferson. You had two guys there that just whiffed on it.
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Stucky
It was, it was an incredible throw too. I mean that was crushed.
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Doug Gottlieb
It was an amazing throw. It's hard, it's hard to bet the Bears. I bet some Bears last week at plus seven it did not end well. It's amazing that they're, they're down every week. It's 20 to nothing like clockwork come out. I do think they miss Eberfluz on the, they're worse.
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Stucky
I mean they're, they're solid with the Jets. Same thing, right? You remove that guy. They got dramatically worse.
- [34:30]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. And they miss Eber flu defensively. And then Graham is in over his head trying to be the head coach, offensive coordinator. It's a mess. They can't stop the run. So yeah, this is a tough game. Like situationally, price wise, it's probably going to get too expensive. You're supposed to play the Bears, but can you put your hard earned money on the Bears right now? I'm not sure it's a tough game.
- [34:57]
Stucky
I, I think that was a game even in a loss. If I'm a Seahawks fan, I'm not saying McDonald's going to be as good of a coach and have a resume like Pete. Obviously got to win super bowl, go to another one, win a national championship, like pizza legend. But clearly the last couple years, his teams did not look like that. So if I'm a Seattle fan, you know what? Ryan Grubb, who clearly you never know with a college guy how it's going to transition. I mean, they, when they're healthy, they look pretty freaking explosive. And I think back to the Packer game, the gap, that was pretty, I actually earned, I think Geno earned everyone's respect. Like, hey guys, we can nitpick me all we want, but relative to who else we got on this roster, I look like Joe Montana meets Brett Favre. I mean, Sam Howell also, it brings in the light. Like their own line sucks. So Geno's kind of mobility and toughness standing behind there. And Geno has an underrated arm. You know, we talk about big arms. No one ever mentions him. Sometimes you watch like Jesus, like, listen, as a Purdy guy, 49er guy here, I mean, Geno's throwing 100, Purdy's throwing like 88. Right? I mean, Geno's got a hose. So I, I, I was impressed with Seattle and they're clearly, they're not, they win this game, they're not dead by any means. Right. Playing The Rams, week 18. How does that.
- [36:17]
John Middelkoff
Do you know that tiebreaker works if.
- [36:18]
Stucky
They, if they both win this weekend and then they play week 18. Is that winner get in Rams.
- [36:23]
Doug Gottlieb
So Rams. Seahawks would be.
- [36:25]
Stucky
Rams have nine wins, huh? So they, they.
- [36:28]
Doug Gottlieb
Well, no matter what, if the Rams beat the Seahawks because they would sweep. They'd be in.
- [36:33]
Stucky
Yeah. And they'd have another win than them. So the Rams control their own destiny.
- [36:38]
Doug Gottlieb
Yes. If the Seahawks and Rams both win this week and then Seattle WINS in week 18, they'd be finished. They'd be tied in head to head division and conference record. We come down to strength of victory. And it looks like the Rams have a clear edge right now. So the Seahawks need a lot of help. Like they need. Yeah, they, it looks like the Rams. So it looks like the what the Rams need. I mean, with the Seahawks need. Then they need the, they need the Cardinals to win.
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Stucky
They need the Cardinals to beat the Rams.
- [37:20]
Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. And they need to win. Win out. He has a devastating loss. And then the jets not being able to capitalize on any, any trips into Rams territory really hurt them. So Rams definitely in the driver's seat as of now.
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Stucky
I mean, at one point in time on Sunday, it felt like it was going like, God, the Jets probably going to win this game. And Seattle's looking good. It was about to go the other way. Yeah, that's nine.
- [37:44]
Doug Gottlieb
It was nine. Nine. They were driving. They were like the 12 yard line and they decided to go for it on fourth down. Didn't get it. And that kind of flipped the game. There was a drive earlier and they got down to the three, couldn't score. They missed a field goal. They turned, they went for it on their own 30 and didn't get it. I mean, there was a comedy of errors by the jets, which really helped the Rams out because they were flat. I mean, they're often said nothing in that game. So, yeah, Rams are in the driver's seat. Cardinals eliminated, losing to the Panthers. So that division, which looked like it was going to come down to the last game, might not. Based on how these results go, the Rams might be sitting pretty.
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Stucky
Okay, before I get you out of here, just looking at some of the schedules. I know you love a good, random, shitty bowl game. That doesn't matter to most people, but you always find value. Looks like we got a pretty good slate Friday. Oklahoma, Navy, Georgia Tech, Vandy Tech, Arkansas, Syracuse, Wazoo. The Trojans at A and M. Does that have blowout written all over it? For, for your Aggies?
- [38:53]
Doug Gottlieb
I don't know. Texas A and M. USC gets to play in Vegas. They played there. Their quarterback used to play at Unity. They played there earlier this season. A and M's three best defensive linemen are opting out. USC has a bunch of receivers opt out, but they still have talent there. I think there's a chance they could potentially keep it close. I got to see who ends up playing. For sure. Syracuse should blow out Washington State. That line was, I think opened at three. It's up to 16 and a half. Everyone, everyone on Syracuse is playing. They care. Bren Brown's all in. He said we don't opt out. Washington State is down. It's head coach, offense coordinator, defensive coordinator, quarterback coach, running back coach. 11 starters have opted out. There might be more. They're playing a backup quarterback. That game might close 20. I'm surprised Washington State didn't forfeit the bowl.
- [39:39]
John Middelkoff
Where the defensive court, the defensive coordinator.
- [39:41]
Doug Gottlieb
Go with Dicker, their defensive coordinator, because.
- [39:45]
Stucky
The OC and quarterback went to Oklahoma. Right. Which feels a little basketball package dealy to you, or am I just being conspiracy theory there?
- [39:53]
Doug Gottlieb
Yes, he was fired. Their defense coordinator was fired. So yeah, it's an absolute mess.
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John Middelkoff
Is that quarterback? Is that quarterback good?
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Doug Gottlieb
I think he's okay. I don't think he's gonna like he wasn't playing great competition. And I don't think that's like the ceiling that Oklahoma thinks.
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John Middelkoff
I mean, I understand, I don't know.
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Stucky
I mean, Jackson, Arnold, he gets benched, he comes back. Not totally his fault. And you were saying this early on, they're missing a million wide receivers. I mean, you could have put Baker or Kyler there. It would have been a struggle with who was out there. Then he goes to Auburn, which I read for like 2 to 3 million dollars, which seems a little crazy to me. But then they go with this quarterback and this offensive coordinator who I text a couple scouting buddies.
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John Middelkoff
They're like, yeah, he's really tough.
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Stucky
But I wouldn't exactly say he's, you know, what they've been used to in their heyday. So it just. Oklahoma feels a little lost right now. And maybe it's hard with the, with the nil situation and maybe they just felt comfortable getting this package deal. But I mean, you're seeing these opt outs. It's hard to keep track. I mean, every day you look up, there's another guy, another guy, another guy. And a lot of it's declaring for the draft or transfer portal, but it changes these teams dramatically. Like you said Washington State, who I think you tweeted out, no team finished worse. And it might have simply been like, did everyone kind of see the writing on the wall? Like, I'm out, I'm out, the coaches out. Maybe they all kind of internally quit and they were just looking forward because they, they, they were pretty good. Like they, they were, they've been good the last couple years. So I, I wonder if mentally everyone checked out and they just kind of went through the motions, which is it fair to say that probably is what happened because I remember your tweet like you look like, how the fuck did they lose as enormous favorites three times in a row? Well now looking back, it kind of makes sense, right? Which I wish we would have known. We would have hammered the big underdogs. You could have got some of them probably like three or four to one.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yep. Yeah, they were all double digit dogs. They lost the ball. So like writing was on the wall and now everyone is left. That could get ugly in Syracuse. Some of the kids are on the bowl team. Bowl game last year they didn't have a coach. They lost 45, nothing. These teams without a coach that when they have all the players opt out, they usually get blown out. Oklahoma Navy, that line's going from seven to three. Bunch of Oklahoma opt outs. I always take the service Academy in the bowl. I just. Especially when they're a dog. 70% against the spread. Excuse me since 1970. If you just want to go back past 10 years. 15 and three straight up 15 and three against the spread 7 and two straight up against power four teams. Why they always show up? Motivations never question. Motivation is huge for these meaningless bowl games. And Oklahoma do they really want to spend like their holiday break preparing for the triple option? Probably not. Is. Is their staff really focused on this game? Probably not. They're probably focused on the portal recruiting next year. So the preparation advantage and Navy they don't have to do any of that stuff. Texas Tech Arkansas is an interesting one. Arkansas ton of opt outs all the.
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Stucky
Receipts didn't the quarterback transfer now quarterback.
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Doug Gottlieb
Taylor Green he's staying but all the receivers opted out their tight end. Multiple offensive linemen, their running back. Their best defensive players are opting out. Texas tax quarterbacks out though due to surgery. They're going with a backup quarterback. I still like Texas Tech one they're like a one and a half point dog. I think that they're. But Tech Stack also doesn't have any coordinators. They. They replace their coordinators. Really interesting game but I Arkansas's offense is a mess right now and Texas Tech their backup he played some this year. I think he's actually a better fit for the offense. He has some mobility. I think Taj Brooks who's an NFL running back is going to play. He was listed on the depth chart. If he does Texas Tech's roster is in much better shape. So I like the Red Raiders at Georgia Tech Van he's two teams I wanted to bet in bowl season with their quarterbacks. Haynes, King, Diego Pavia. Pavio be healthier catching three I think you just take the points there but that's. That's a tricky one. But yeah Friday some interesting bowl games. Although that Syracuse one could get ugly.
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Stucky
Yeah, I like that. Okay, last one though. The Fighting Belichicks at Fenway Park. Now Freddy Kitchens legendary Freddy Kitchens Brown former Browns coach coaching the game but not really coaching for a job because Belichick's already said he's on the staff. So is this a kitchen sink game for Freddy Kitchens? Does he even have a kitchen sink game in him? It's outdoor Southern team playing UConn. Who I'll be honest, I haven't watched a snap of UConn football since Jim Morris been there but I would imagine Jim Morris going to take this shit seriously. North Carolina favored by 3. You would imagine Belichick will be kind of usually that interim guy that's. Or not the interim guy, but the new coach who lets the another guy coach is usually there. So I bet a lot of these guys on the team you would think would want to stay and play for him. So does North Carolina who was atrocious this year on defense. Right. So how does this thing play out? Is this a stay away?
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Doug Gottlieb
Probably I, if I was gonna play it, I would play UConn. Just no coach, I don't know involved. Bella, Swindon. He's probably worried more about the roster construction.
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Stucky
Yukon, he might, he might not go. He might not go because they're just doing portal and recruit. He might not.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah, they got it. They have so much other stuff to do. North Carolina does have some key opt outs. The biggest one is Hampton is one of the best backs in the country. It's going to play in the NFL. He opted out one of the best receivers, couple offensive linemen. So North Carolina and their best defensive end opted out as well for the NFL draft. So they're not at full strength. UConn's probably all in here. Means a lot to their program. Again, the coachless team. It's UConn. I mean look, you're paying for, you're paying the premium here because the line has come down. But it would be UConn or nothing but weird game.
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Stucky
Okay, Stucky, I'll get you out of here. Have a good Christmas. Have a good Hanukkah. Whatever you may celebrate, enjoy just football.
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Doug Gottlieb
I celebrate.
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Stucky
And the NFL on Wednesday. So I will talk to you next week as we get four looking forward to some more college football playoff games as well as the final week of the NFL which might not be great, but so we can focus on college for sure.
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Doug Gottlieb
Yeah. Hopefully we get some more competitive college football playoff games, which we should get. Georgia, Notre Dame at least and Ohio State, Oregon and that's. I gotta dive into the other two matchups and see if Boise State can make it a game. If Arizona State can make it a game, they will have two really good backs to lean on in Ashton Genti and Cam Scatterbo. So yeah, Cam, excited to talk about that, but Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to everyone. Early Happy New Year and I'll see you next week.
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Stucky
We just need one of those two guys to go like Steph Curry at Davidson against Kansas just to rush for like 250 and have a legendary historic moment in college world.
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Doug Gottlieb
That's the good thing with the teams that benefited the most from the buy, which wasn't Oregon because they got to play Ohio State, Georgia because they have to go to the backup. So one, you don't have to put him on tape for a game. And you can try to come up with some things and, you know, assimilate them into the offense. And Notre Dame doesn't really know what to expect, so they benefited from having that buy. And then Arizona State and Boise State, obviously they probably would have lost in the first round. I shouldn't say probably, but they would have been underdogs. So them not having to play an extra game. But you get gentine Scott but who got fed the ball all year? You get some time to rest up. Like they're going to come out with everything. They got rejuvenated, fresh legs. And I'm sure both teams are going to lean on them. So I wouldn't be surprised if one or both has a really big day.
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Stucky
Okay, Stucky, have a great week. Talk to you soon.
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Doug Gottlieb
You too, brother. Cheers. The volume.
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